Speaker 1: Celebrity book club. Okay, okay, Lazyes is.
Speaker 2: Your host Stuffy of Sacramento Premiere Dan Dating Nights for
Speaker 2: the Seed.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We are starting in five four three two one.
Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Kendra. I'm a nurse practitioner. I'm twenty four
Speaker 1: and I live in Davis.
Speaker 2: Hey, Kendra, I'm Leanne. I'm a naval officer. I live
Speaker 2: in the heart of Sacramento. I love dogs and I
Speaker 2: love outdoor activities.
Speaker 1: Leanne, you look so familiar to me. Huh, you were
Speaker 1: not a reality or anything. Were you. Were you in
Speaker 1: that baking show Northern California?
Speaker 2: It's baked? No, I know what it is.
Speaker 1: I saw you on the Dailymail dot Com. Oh you
Speaker 1: know that Felon guy, the hot guy.
Speaker 2: His name is Jeremy and he's actually my brother. Oh
Speaker 2: My cross has been crazy and they've really invaded our
Speaker 2: privacy because I'm a pretty private person. Of course, I'm
Speaker 2: so proud of him, as he is a very attractive
Speaker 2: man and he's grown so much since prison.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's so cool. I'm a little scared, but a
Speaker 1: little turned on too.
Speaker 2: Are you bisexual? Oh? Hi, I'm le Anne. I'm a
Speaker 2: naval officer. I have two dogs. I live in downtown Sacramento.
Speaker 2: I love kids, don't have any, and I love playing dodgeball.
Speaker 2: What about you?
Speaker 1: I'm thirty nine, I'm a nurse practitioner.
Speaker 2: Do you have a beautiful voice?
Speaker 1: Oh? Thanks? Can I just say something? You look like
Speaker 1: I fucking know you from somewhere man.
Speaker 2: Have you ever played dodgeball?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It used to be chairwoman of the league in Oakland.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's that man. I think I
Speaker 1: know you from somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Thursday's Trivia at Santa Fe Fusion Cosamigo's Kitchen and Craft Bar.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sober. I thought I know you from the
Speaker 1: news man. Do you have like a hot brother or something?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That fellon guy, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Jeremy is my brother and I'm really proud of him. Fine,
Speaker 2: the media is so crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I promised myself I would never date another
Speaker 1: sibling of a criminal.
Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, I'm Leanne. I'm a naval officer. I have
Speaker 2: two dogs. I live in downtown Sacramento. I played dodgeball
Speaker 2: and oh no, I'm FOMCA.
Speaker 1: I'm a nurse practitioner. You remind me of a foto
Speaker 1: I have seen on Oh God, I speakl dot net
Speaker 1: about to an American criminal and his interesting family.
Speaker 2: God, what the heck can a lesbian, knifferent officer get
Speaker 2: a little privacy? I didn't want to come out of
Speaker 2: the army, Okay, I liked donas, don't tell and don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong. Sorry, I'm really proud of my brother,
Speaker 2: Jeremy Meeks. We grew up really hard, and for someone
Speaker 2: like you, a beautiful nurse practitioner, to read about it
Speaker 2: on Jershkinskyle dot net dot d a.
Speaker 1: So German media is famously invasive. We can both agree
Speaker 1: on that topic. Perhaps it is the one thing that
Speaker 1: will bring us closer together. Here's my phone number plus
Speaker 1: three seven all five.
Speaker 2: Sorry, plus five plus three three.
Speaker 1: Plus three seven, spy. That's actually.
Speaker 2: Right off, lay crazy.
Speaker 1: Looks like we have brought the foul of the law.
Speaker 2: It looks like my brother, I guess. I rarely make
Speaker 2: jokes like that about him. I'm very proud of him.
Speaker 1: I'm wet.
Speaker 2: Who's that knocking at the door.
Speaker 1: It's all your friends, you filthy horse. Your husband's gone
Speaker 1: and we've got book a bottle of wine to kill.
Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books.
Speaker 1: It's gossip.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's memoirs, martinis.
Speaker 1: Celebrity poof Club to read it while it's hot, Celebrity
Speaker 1: poof Club, tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.
Speaker 2: No boys are loud. Celebtoo, say it loud and pound
Speaker 2: Celebrity book Club. Buzz me in. I brought the queer vow. Hey,
Speaker 2: best friend, how the hell are you?
Speaker 1: I'm so good As we slide into twenty twenty five, a.
Speaker 2: New year, a new me, Stephen, Do you have any
Speaker 2: new ideas I was wondering for this year?
Speaker 1: Any new ideas?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you want to get going? Oh, the business ideas.
Speaker 1: I have tons of business opportunities and brand extensions that
Speaker 1: I'm working on. We're actually doing a diffusion line of
Speaker 1: T shirts, so they're actually even cheaper T shirts than
Speaker 1: we already made.
Speaker 2: They're being sold on to MoU.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wait, I like went on to move for the first time.
Speaker 1: Ever because you were like, fuck Amazon, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with the Chinese version.
Speaker 2: I was looking for kind of a gag gift and
Speaker 2: it led me to to MoU and things got so crazy.
Speaker 2: I feel like I was in Vegas, like everything was spinning.
Speaker 2: It was just like it wouldn't even let me buy
Speaker 2: the novelty item.
Speaker 1: Oh, because the website had so many pop ups and
Speaker 1: it was just.
Speaker 2: Being like, you get another free gift, you get another
Speaker 2: free pick more gifts, and then I was being so
Speaker 2: stought machine and I was like, I picked I wou
Speaker 2: actually like socks for you, but then it got like
Speaker 2: too complicated that were just like, shut up, I'm gaming,
Speaker 2: do not disturb, and then it was like you have
Speaker 2: seventy five dollars more and I was like ah, and
Speaker 2: then I couldn't actually even purchase the original thing I
Speaker 2: came on there for and I was like rash, just
Speaker 2: deleting the app. But that was fun for two minutes.
Speaker 1: I think it's good that there is like this weird
Speaker 1: ceiling of like interactivity on some of these horrible websites
Speaker 1: that are only selling more bullshit capitalist consumer crap, because
Speaker 1: it's just like, actually, we don't need to be purchasing this,
Speaker 1: and like the fact that we don't have the whatever
Speaker 1: like gen alpha literacy to navigate this minefield of like
Speaker 1: terrible ux and pop ups, I think is actually.
Speaker 2: Good forever and then it makes us click out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I could just say This isn't for me,
Speaker 1: and I don't need these socks that much. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure if you really wanted to buy shut up I'm
Speaker 1: gaming socks, you could find them on Yeah, I'm sure if.
Speaker 2: I could really wanted those for you, I could.
Speaker 1: Get them any We're all are surprised that they do
Speaker 1: end up advice in my January stocking, which is another
Speaker 1: thing we're doing this year.
Speaker 2: Be the Winter Blues. We're doing January stock cakes. That's
Speaker 2: so fun.
Speaker 1: Anyway, as we sort of slide out of Mlkday into inauguration,
Speaker 1: Meek just I thought it would be good to turn
Speaker 1: our attention to someone who hasn't been in the news
Speaker 1: lely and yet is very relevant to so much of
Speaker 1: what we're experiencing right now, Seriously, police brutality, modeling Monaco,
Speaker 1: and people becoming famous for their criminal activity while also
Speaker 1: being attractive and becoming.
Speaker 2: Folk heroes for being hot.
Speaker 1: And on the wrong side of the.
Speaker 2: Lawrem famous for being attractive and being naughty.
Speaker 1: In addition to Luigi Mangioni, it's like Lugi already feels
Speaker 1: so last week, and I'm sure by the time you
Speaker 1: hear this, it's like no one's gonna hear no one's.
Speaker 2: Know who he is or like he'll be president. Hello.
Speaker 1: I didn't have Luigi Mangioni becoming Secretary of Defense on
Speaker 1: my bingo card.
Speaker 2: But anyway, anyway, the segue to let's just announce it.
Speaker 1: He was before Luigi went viral. He was hot for
Speaker 1: kind of being the first, Like I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: the first viral criminal obviously, but he.
Speaker 2: He's not the hot Felon.
Speaker 1: No, There's been many hot felons, but he came to
Speaker 1: prominence at a time in like midway through like the
Speaker 1: second era of virality. Yes, Facebook, Facebook hot, Yes, and
Speaker 1: it actually happened via Facebook.
Speaker 2: So what happened was you guys will know him as hashtag.
Speaker 1: Mark shot guy or is it hot Felon.
Speaker 2: I think it's Prison Bay shot guy, and then some
Speaker 2: people call it him hot Felon. Of course, we were
Speaker 2: talking about Jeremy Meeks.
Speaker 1: And his book Model Citizen of Jeremy Meeks, And if
Speaker 1: you don't know, he's extremely symmetrical.
Speaker 2: He's like crazy sexy.
Speaker 1: He's half black, is what I'm gathering from the book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the mom is white, yes, from the photos, and he
Speaker 1: has like a tear drop tattoo. He is extremely modelist.
Speaker 1: He has a high fashion look, strong, cheap bones.
Speaker 2: Philips also like he already naturally, I feel like he
Speaker 2: knows had a model He's someone who's literally born with it.
Speaker 2: I think it also goes he has like light colored eyes, yes,
Speaker 2: and he has this kind of like kind of like older.
Speaker 1: Like steely gray blue eyes.
Speaker 2: And then he's like, you know, he's giving this really
Speaker 2: like poudy look.
Speaker 1: He also like has a lot of tattoos because he's
Speaker 1: in gangs and he's bad ass, so he's a crep,
Speaker 1: which I think by the time this went viral, like
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, like tattoos on models was already a thing
Speaker 1: like that was like I mean cole More was like
Speaker 1: in these leezer and have tattoos, and there was already
Speaker 1: thing where like designers are like, wait, we want like
Speaker 1: we hold on bad ass, we want models to have tattoos,
Speaker 1: and like obviously now like all models have tattoos, and
Speaker 1: it is weird to not have tattoos.
Speaker 2: But I think it's like maybe the ones who had
Speaker 2: tattoos were like more cold born, like badass, all bunk,
Speaker 2: and he's a little more like built abs. Yes, like
Speaker 2: he can be like you know, a model on the
Speaker 2: on the beach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he a little more jacked.
Speaker 2: He can do a cologney.
Speaker 1: He's not heroin cheek. No mama's looking healthy, bent to
Speaker 1: the gym healthy. But I do think this speaks to
Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen at all, where it's like he came at
Speaker 1: like just the crest of tattoos in a factual way,
Speaker 1: becoming mainstream but not insanely oversaturated, and like Facebook reality
Speaker 1: being mainstream but not so over.
Speaker 2: It's right where it's like Facebook now, like no one's
Speaker 2: even no one's going viral on Facebook, even like your
Speaker 2: aunt who's on Facebook is like, oh, I don't really
Speaker 2: go on that anymore. I'm on threads. And no one
Speaker 2: even really knew what he went to jail for. It
Speaker 2: was less like weight this serial killer is yeah, yes.
Speaker 1: Exactly well, And I think what's interesting reading this book
Speaker 1: is he realized he didn't really do that much.
Speaker 2: He didn't do like anything. I'm like, wait, what was
Speaker 2: the crime? And actually that's what this book is kind
Speaker 2: of about, is how it's sucked.
Speaker 1: Up the system is it's very it's very prison informed
Speaker 1: down boots, and you know, he is the classic case
Speaker 1: of someone who is just caught up in a system
Speaker 1: that is really designed for him to lose, to loose.
Speaker 1: So his mom was an addict. His dad was an
Speaker 1: addict and a murderer.
Speaker 2: So his dad I really guess at this part. Yeah,
Speaker 2: his father did go ahead and murder his mom's best.
Speaker 1: Friend because she wouldn't tell him, like where the mom was.
Speaker 1: She was trying to protect the mom and not reveal
Speaker 1: her location.
Speaker 2: Magin.
Speaker 1: He tortured her for hours and then murdered her.
Speaker 2: If my girlfriend murdered you because you wouldn't tell her
Speaker 2: where I.
Speaker 1: Was, I would tell I'm not sitting there letting your
Speaker 1: girlfriend torture me with god knows what. I don't know
Speaker 1: what she's doing. I don't know what like sci fi
Speaker 1: statues she's trying to sodomize me.
Speaker 2: With what vintage like Japanese swords she has going on. No,
Speaker 2: I would tell too, Actually, yeah, I would give up
Speaker 2: your location in the.
Speaker 1: So let's just say this book feels like it's printed
Speaker 1: on computer paper. Yet it's really it has that kind
Speaker 1: of like buttery quality that like that the pages are
Speaker 1: very what Yeah, that's what I mean when it feels
Speaker 1: like straight up like y'all went to stable.
Speaker 2: But it's a little nicely premium. Yes, okay, this isn't
Speaker 2: like the cheapest paper because there is a nice touch
Speaker 2: to it, because I used to be obsessed as a
Speaker 2: child with touching really good pages. I love or it's
Speaker 2: just like I appreciate good binding and book making. But
Speaker 2: sure he grew up, you know, and his mother's a
Speaker 2: hero and autict And after the father went to jail,
Speaker 2: and his lesbian sister Leanna, who heard us talking about
Speaker 2: or impersonating it, the cold open. She know, she saw
Speaker 2: this world and was like, there's no chance for us.
Speaker 2: So she was like, fuck it, I'm gonna enlist in
Speaker 2: the Army Air Force to be exact, so I can
Speaker 2: like get out and start a life. And then she
Speaker 2: adopted him and then his other siblings away from the mom.
Speaker 1: I think of like Navy as being the gay division
Speaker 1: of the Army, but it's like Air Force Oran Division.
Speaker 1: I could see that kind of making sense. Navy is
Speaker 1: also because Navy seems also lesbian to me.
Speaker 2: I know, but then when you think of it, it's
Speaker 2: like well watched, Yeah, but the outfits for female naval
Speaker 2: officers are like a little bit more fem in this
Speaker 2: fifties way because you get this little hat and they
Speaker 2: make the shirts I think a little crop.
Speaker 1: But also like a fly jumpsuit is the most like
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian outfit now, like a pilot jumpsuit is so
Speaker 1: frill and.
Speaker 2: It's so like green and jump so straight. You're saying, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: it's also though lesbian to be in like a fem
Speaker 2: like to be them white, romp them by wild Gang
Speaker 2: Fang or whatever. Anyway, there's one photo of Leanna you
Speaker 2: can find. She looks a little more just like big
Speaker 2: heathered college football T shirt.
Speaker 1: Now, well yeah, because she's not like you're not seeing
Speaker 1: her in her uniform.
Speaker 2: No, I wish I could down boy anyway.
Speaker 1: So he's by the time he's like ten, he's already
Speaker 1: stealing his mom. Zima's love that detail, I know. And
Speaker 1: then Leanna is the sister that steps up and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm taking you out of this life, like you're gonna
Speaker 1: come live with me and I'm basically gonna be your
Speaker 1: mom and raise you in Medicine Lake, Washington.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hear that Medicine Lake, Okay.
Speaker 1: And I Dill, a town of three thousand people on
Speaker 1: a gorgeous Lake and like central Washington state.
Speaker 2: And so it's surrounded by a lot of other lake towns.
Speaker 2: Like he'll be like, oh, we will be at Long Lake,
Speaker 2: or then we would go over to like this lake,
Speaker 2: and it's like how many lake towns are there.
Speaker 1: I think what we're learning low key is that central
Speaker 1: Washington lakes up. Okay, move over Wisconsin and Minnesota.
Speaker 2: I would like to just read a little passage about
Speaker 2: Medical Lake for folks who don't know about Medical Lake.
Speaker 2: Medical Lake was also pretty diverse the types of parties there.
Speaker 2: On one end of town, you'd have a party in
Speaker 2: a barn out in the woods, blaring country and shotgunning
Speaker 2: Budweiser and next to a cow. On the other side
Speaker 2: of town, you'd go to this big, gass house party
Speaker 2: where everybody was hitting the Hennessy bottle, listening to hip
Speaker 2: hop and freestyling, versus depending on your mood, you could
Speaker 2: just go down lide hitting all these different spots. I
Speaker 2: love this full ad for Medical Lake. I like whatever
Speaker 2: you're into, whether it's country music and Budweiser or hip
Speaker 2: hop and Hennessy, Medical Lake has it all for you.
Speaker 2: Visit Medical Lake dot Washington dot net and have a
Speaker 2: family there and have like a.
Speaker 1: Diverse group of experiences from fishing to studying.
Speaker 2: And he does like to fish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he loves fishing, and he also love studying. What
Speaker 1: I think is interesting is that early on he of
Speaker 1: course say it with.
Speaker 2: Me, reveals he has ADHD.
Speaker 1: This I had a really hard time at school kids today,
Speaker 1: where they're neurodiversity with pride. I mean, it's great they're
Speaker 1: open with their peers about their disorders, but things were
Speaker 1: not like that in the nineteen nineties. People were not
Speaker 1: as educated about ADHD or about children victims, so basically
Speaker 1: they put them on riddle in as they did with
Speaker 1: many folks in the nineteen eighties, such as.
Speaker 2: Yourself, such is my damn self. And it was like
Speaker 2: a weird thing where I kind of wore it as
Speaker 2: a badge of honor.
Speaker 1: You know, right as you were wearing your diversary.
Speaker 2: I was being I'm like, oh, yeah, sorry, you guys,
Speaker 2: I have to take my add medication because I'm so badass.
Speaker 1: When it was explained to the school and to the
Speaker 1: doctors that I wasn't a good place, and it seemed
Speaker 1: like a completely different person because the riddle in the
Speaker 1: doctor's response was to up the dosage. You have this
Speaker 1: little kid here, barely functional, and you want to give
Speaker 1: him more. But that's what they did back then. He's
Speaker 1: acting like it was the nineteen fifties. They didn't want
Speaker 1: to fix it, they wanted to suppress it. I spent
Speaker 1: the majority of my third grade year in a fog.
Speaker 1: I could barely function in class, and I was constantly
Speaker 1: falling asleep. They continued upping the medication, and I ended
Speaker 1: up failing the year and having to repeat it. So
Speaker 1: this is him basically being like, I'm the Paris Ultan.
Speaker 2: And I was over medicated, which is this book is
Speaker 2: also about the pharmaceutical industry because later on right with
Speaker 2: the back pain in the book, so he talks about
Speaker 2: going to all these doctors and basically even though he.
Speaker 1: Has back pain because he got beat up by a
Speaker 1: rival gang in the streets of like the Bay Area
Speaker 1: when he moved there with his sister when she got
Speaker 1: transferred postmatical, well, I.
Speaker 2: Guess I've beaten with all these bats. And he's all
Speaker 2: like fifteen or something.
Speaker 1: Like that, and his al one vertebrae is like consistently
Speaker 1: out of whack. Another parallel to of course famous CEO Killerngoni.
Speaker 2: Who couldn't make love because of his back pain?
Speaker 1: Wait, is that true?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe that. I think a
Speaker 1: guy in a wheelchair you can definitely fuck a guy
Speaker 1: with back pain.
Speaker 2: These headlines have gotten out of control.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I have a friend of the pod
Speaker 1: who will remain nameless, who I know.
Speaker 2: Well, he.
Speaker 1: That I don't know if we're allowed to say that,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like he's had trouble making love
Speaker 1: because of the back pain.
Speaker 2: And we're allowed to say that, I feel like that's
Speaker 2: less revealing. I remember the first time I saw a
Speaker 2: sex scene of a guy in a wheelchair, and it
Speaker 2: blew my mind.
Speaker 1: This is when you were watching porn.
Speaker 2: No, it was a total eighties horror movie, and it's
Speaker 2: like this guy who's paralyzed waist down and this woman
Speaker 2: puts him in a swing. Oh. And I was like,
Speaker 2: that's so dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were like, yes.
Speaker 2: Good know, if I do get paralyzed, give me what.
Speaker 2: I don't know, dang related whoops, you never know.
Speaker 1: So look, he's kind of implying his joker moment is
Speaker 1: the riddle in overdosage.
Speaker 2: It's that, but it's also like his mom being a
Speaker 2: heroin autic and like him just wanting to fit in
Speaker 2: and trying to pave a way.
Speaker 1: And the first time he goes to Juvie and again
Speaker 1: it's like he's never doing anything that bad. He never
Speaker 1: talks about dealing drugs because he is dealing drugs, and
Speaker 1: he like has these euphemisms word who's like I take
Speaker 1: a lick or I was like spoiler, isn't like really
Speaker 1: get into this.
Speaker 2: Might also not be doing that for legal reasons, but
Speaker 2: to me, the vibe by God is that he was
Speaker 2: always kind of just like a low rung like gang
Speaker 2: member that was like in a car where they're like
Speaker 2: doing a drug deal and things go wrong.
Speaker 1: And the first time he goes to Juvi though, he
Speaker 1: goes because he got in a fight, which is like okay, fine, whatever.
Speaker 1: And then he goes to Juvie and that's when he
Speaker 1: starts meeting.
Speaker 2: The crips and they're like, you should become a.
Speaker 1: And he gets into crip stuff, although he kind of
Speaker 1: says that that they weren't pushing it that hard and
Speaker 1: he just wanted to do it.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I think he needed to a
Speaker 2: sense of belong unity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what that offers. And I think now
Speaker 1: more than ever and our technologically atomize an isolated world
Speaker 1: that people will cling to any sense of community they
Speaker 1: can get. And I think, so.
Speaker 2: You're saying there's less gangs because people are on their phones.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying there's probably whether it's a gang, or
Speaker 1: it's ISIS, or it's Reddit conspiracy groups, like all these
Speaker 1: things become that much more I think attractive because we
Speaker 1: don't have third spaces, we don't have physical communities, we
Speaker 1: don't have I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if him becoming a gang member is because
Speaker 2: there wasn't like enough like bowling alleys in Medical Lake.
Speaker 1: I kind of think it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's so like we need to get our
Speaker 2: kids roller skating.
Speaker 1: I feel like if they're literally were more bowling alley
Speaker 1: because he also says there wasn't anything to do but
Speaker 1: get in trouble at Medical Lake. He literally says that true.
Speaker 2: But I could see if I'm to put myself and
Speaker 2: his shoes to kind of have a crew, be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can like be part of our brotherhood, is very attractive, right.
Speaker 1: But if he was already on a bullying team, he
Speaker 1: might not have been introduced by it.
Speaker 2: If I can turn back time. Okay, I guess I
Speaker 2: bullying and you never joined a gang. No, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to join a gang, but I couldn't find a gang.
Speaker 2: No gang, but have me not hardly with the bullying team.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, guys, yeah, sure, I'll carry a knife
Speaker 2: when he guys up to club.
Speaker 1: Club.
Speaker 2: He went to jail, you know, multiple times, but then
Speaker 2: and you know, he also talks about the juvenile system.
Speaker 2: Is like, okay, this is like literally just like a
Speaker 2: highway to jail, except for one judge who was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to put you in juvie because like
Speaker 2: then this is just going to be like no saving
Speaker 2: you from here, which was cool.
Speaker 1: I thought it was so interesting the part where he
Speaker 1: talks about there was like one nice cop. Ever, where's
Speaker 1: the one time he got pulled over when his like
Speaker 1: wife was so wasted and crest the drink.
Speaker 2: Was called audios, motherfucker. Okay, and by the way, that
Speaker 2: was after them bowling, So bowling doesn't save.
Speaker 1: No And that sounds like bowling really led to catasrophy.
Speaker 2: But when bowling Alley starts serving cocktails. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: looked up what an audio's motherfucker is and it's basically
Speaker 2: a Long Island iced tea.
Speaker 1: Yeah sounds like it. Wait, let's go to that day now.
Speaker 1: So he starts sitting in this pog named Melissa.
Speaker 2: Melissa, and so she's like a nurse at his jail,
Speaker 2: and you know, she's like doing examinations, I guess. And
Speaker 2: then he gets transferred to the state prison, but she
Speaker 2: starts writing him letters so romantic after that, being like,
Speaker 2: I don't know where this is going, but like they
Speaker 2: just have this connection. This is also after he to
Speaker 2: talk about like even though he's so like anti prison,
Speaker 2: he is just like jails, though, are so horrible, and like,
Speaker 2: at least like private prisons you can email and they've
Speaker 2: been in Jerry's so he was being a little pro
Speaker 2: private prison.
Speaker 1: He was just saying, like there's more amenities, amenities.
Speaker 2: Okay, he goes.
Speaker 1: I will never forget one of her first date nights.
Speaker 1: So now he's married to Melissa.
Speaker 2: Because letters work, So y'all maybe pen palet up okay?
Speaker 2: For single?
Speaker 1: Well what's funny is okay? But and then I do
Speaker 1: feel like now like like I follow this Instagram that's
Speaker 1: like hawkeys in Idaho State Prison. And it's always just
Speaker 1: like these guys on like j Poll and like they
Speaker 1: make these little videos on their phone and like there's
Speaker 1: always like hundreds of thirsteen comments just being like damn daddy,
Speaker 1: like pound me down, like yes, just like assault down boots,
Speaker 1: and like they're always like say what their crime is,
Speaker 1: and like a lot of the time it is they
Speaker 1: are there for like violent assault, and people are still
Speaker 1: just being like yes, like take me to church, like
Speaker 1: I'm sused, yeah, and like all these gay guys are
Speaker 1: just being like uh girl, yeah, like what do you
Speaker 1: speak for it? But I do feel like he kind
Speaker 1: of started the modern era of being like we are
Speaker 1: fetishizing like hot criminals, criminals like which is extend.
Speaker 2: Eighties said early nineties was very national in choir. Penn
Speaker 2: Pal to prison.
Speaker 1: Yes, but the only way you could do it was
Speaker 1: if you were that famous that you were in the
Speaker 1: national in choir.
Speaker 2: Like no they had ads, Oh they did, Yes. I
Speaker 2: used to read it my grandmother Like Okay, you could
Speaker 2: be like Charles Manson, who by the way, was literally
Speaker 2: lived in the cell next to him, So it's like
Speaker 2: you could be a celebrity in prison, like the Charles
Speaker 2: Manson and get letters. But in the National Choir. I
Speaker 2: remember like in the nineties it would be like right
Speaker 2: to a prisoner, and like it would be like you know,
Speaker 2: silver Fox, Daddy blah blah blah, P seven three right,
Speaker 2: and then it was so many people in Jerry's Springer
Speaker 2: always like being like I wrote to this guy in
Speaker 2: prison and then like we got married and then he
Speaker 2: cheated on me and my sister.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet he did.
Speaker 2: So that was kind of the nineties, and then I
Speaker 2: think the seventies era is like, you know, more than
Speaker 2: Ted Bundye Charles Manson more being like I'm your worshiper,
Speaker 2: I'm like a crazy hippy girl and.
Speaker 1: That kind of like it's just hinge. It's like you
Speaker 1: can date someone in prison as easily as you would
Speaker 1: date anybody else. It's like all happen on your phone,
Speaker 1: and like through the magic of private prisons, like they
Speaker 1: can go they can go pay to just like read
Speaker 1: there in box.
Speaker 2: But they never sween him and Melissa is that they met.
Speaker 1: They met, they met irl, which is like they had
Speaker 1: to meet cute, and then she wrote him like such
Speaker 1: a scented letter.
Speaker 2: That was so like Britney spears fantasy.
Speaker 1: So then they get married, he's out of jail. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I'll never forget one of first date and
Speaker 1: it's the marry couple, the local bullying all. They had
Speaker 1: a drink called Audios motherfuckers. I don't know what it
Speaker 1: is about that drink, but every time I have one,
Speaker 1: I end up in jail. Melissa doesn't drink often, so
Speaker 1: when she does, it hits her pretty hard. We were
Speaker 1: on our way home and in her hyperactive, drunken state
Speaker 1: of mind, she popped me on the side of the cheek.
Speaker 1: I had a cigarette between my lips and it fell
Speaker 1: right out of my mouth, so I stopped in the
Speaker 1: middle of the road to grab it and a cop
Speaker 1: happened see me. I got pulled over and the officer
Speaker 1: approach the vehicle. Explained that I was trying to get
Speaker 1: my wife home and that yes, I've been drinking. If
Speaker 1: you get arrested while you're on parole, your parole officer
Speaker 1: as assigned documents. Blah blah blah. The cop with me
Speaker 1: in the squad car and we talked all the way
Speaker 1: to jail. When he said it'd be out the night,
Speaker 1: I laughed. I said, there's no way I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a go out out until my PO came in.
Speaker 1: After I was processed. I was shocked when I heard
Speaker 1: them call my name to be released. As I walked
Speaker 1: out to the dark parking lot, I saw the cop
Speaker 1: sitting in the patrol car and then I heard told
Speaker 1: you be out tonight. That was the nicest any cop
Speaker 1: had ever been to me. If they all had kindness
Speaker 1: and decency like that officer, there would be a lot
Speaker 1: less death on the streets. Unfortunately, even the good ones
Speaker 1: turn a blind eye and keep silent when they see
Speaker 1: their fellow officers using an excessive force. You always see
Speaker 1: that one standing off to the side with this look
Speaker 1: on their face. They know what's happening is wrong, but
Speaker 1: fear of going against police code stops them from standing
Speaker 1: up for what's right, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think that's very true. It's like there's so
Speaker 2: many people probably out there that are like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I become a cop to be like the good one
Speaker 2: on the force. But it's like they have such a
Speaker 2: cop code.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because a cop it's a fraternity and they're there
Speaker 1: to protect each other more than anything else, and so
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if there's that quote good cop, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's nice for him to have that one experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you're like nice cop. But it's like
Speaker 2: then if he sees someone getting beaten, it's not like
Speaker 2: this good.
Speaker 1: And is literally the next time he has an audios motherfucker,
Speaker 1: he gets brutally assaulted by the police and they beat
Speaker 1: him to the Indian insta of his life and beating
Speaker 1: his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: And the wife too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, later and like for literally nothing, and it's so
Speaker 1: it's like there's nothing you can do about and.
Speaker 2: They were waiting for him too. Yeah. He also says
Speaker 2: the thing which is also very true, where he's like
Speaker 2: time about the corrections officers where he was like they
Speaker 2: would be so like jovial with us, but then like
Speaker 2: churn on us like in a second, yeah, which is
Speaker 2: so like the one time when I did good to rikers.
Speaker 2: I feel like I saw that when I was like
Speaker 2: teaching acting to like trans prisoners, and it was like
Speaker 2: so many corrections officers like joking so much with prisoners,
Speaker 2: and then it's just like they flipped the switch pretty fast.
Speaker 1: I remember one of the many times I was arrested
Speaker 1: and you thought I wouldn't bring that up this episode,
Speaker 1: but I would is that I remember one time in
Speaker 1: the squad car.
Speaker 2: If you went bowling more, you wouldn't be arrested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. And I literally, you know, I'm bad
Speaker 1: at bowling, no, I know.
Speaker 2: And like when we went bowling last year, you got
Speaker 2: so upset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got like frustrated because I'm like, why is
Speaker 1: the ball so heavy? Doesn't make needy sense because also
Speaker 1: my fingers are mad for piano and not for bowling balls.
Speaker 1: So I'm in the squad car and the cops were
Speaker 1: like making all these really homophobic comments to one of
Speaker 1: my fellow prisoners, and he was in there and they
Speaker 1: kept making all this stuff about you know, classic like
Speaker 1: jokes about dropping the soap and how he was gonna
Speaker 1: get fucked in prison and all this stuff. And I
Speaker 1: was being like, it's almost like they're doing tubs of
Speaker 1: un stone because they're trying to like make me feel
Speaker 1: uncomfortable too, definitely, And then like I feel like my
Speaker 1: fellow prisoner then was like also kind of making jokes
Speaker 1: to me about me, like getting fucked in prison when
Speaker 1: we were in separate cells, like and some point in
Speaker 1: the jail when there was no email.
Speaker 2: Or benefit, there was no receives, no Ben.
Speaker 1: And Jerry's anyway, it's true where it's like you'd ever know.
Speaker 1: It's like they're nice to you one second, but ultimately
Speaker 1: like they are absolutely delighting and their dehumanization of well
Speaker 1: and just like.
Speaker 2: You can even show even more power instead of if
Speaker 2: you're just mean and like beating someone all the time,
Speaker 2: but if you get to be like, hey, I'm your
Speaker 2: best friend. Oh now, actually watch me take that away
Speaker 2: in two seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So what's also crazy is the reason why he literally
Speaker 2: does go to jail for what happens when he does
Speaker 2: get the ultimate the mugshot prison Bay Pick is because
Speaker 2: he's driving his son or nephew and he has a
Speaker 2: gun in the trunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he gets pulled over a routine traffic step
Speaker 1: and they find a gun and then he reveals that
Speaker 1: he had the gun for protection, just being so street life,
Speaker 1: like I don't know if like the bloods are going
Speaker 1: to pull up on me and I need to like
Speaker 1: protect myself.
Speaker 2: It's just crazy because it's just like, which is why
Speaker 2: you went to jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, possession, Yeah, possession of a firearm, just like Kamala
Speaker 1: I carry my glocula with me everywhere I go. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like a gun crazy America. It's
Speaker 1: just wild, it's crazy arbitrary.
Speaker 2: A year and a half and then the Stockton Police
Speaker 2: post this photo on their Facebook page and then it
Speaker 2: goes wildly viral.
Speaker 1: This scene is so it's just like such a.
Speaker 2: Really Nancy Grace on Lifetime movie.
Speaker 1: So he's in jail. I couldn't eat. I was broken.
Speaker 1: I didn't sleep that night. In the morning, they came
Speaker 1: hammering my door. Channel twelve News wanted to interview me
Speaker 1: door seven. I went expecting to see Channel twelve, but
Speaker 1: one of my homies Ken was in there and he said.
Speaker 2: Bro, do you realize you just went viral?
Speaker 1: Every single news station across the world is talking about
Speaker 1: you right now in China, Puerto Rico, London.
Speaker 2: And then it's like, you know, they would like be
Speaker 2: flashing to like people like in Chinese like no, I know,
Speaker 2: prison Bay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, prison Bay, and it's like the like count it's
Speaker 1: like going up. When I went back to myself, looked
Speaker 1: up and every TV had a picture of me on
Speaker 1: it. It was the most humbly and scary, exciting, overwhelming experience
Speaker 1: so then he gets famous and he's still in jail
Speaker 1: for two more years. But the judge is nice, and
Speaker 1: he says he has like the one black judge in
Speaker 1: the whole county. And it's like, okay, because I do
Speaker 1: see that you're getting like a lot of modeling opportunities.
Speaker 1: I will will like bump your sentence down from three
Speaker 1: years too, so you can like be viral and gigs mama,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And this time he talks about a lot about you know,
Speaker 2: prison reform and how schwartzen Acre was you know.
Speaker 1: Under pressure to like not like give clemency to that
Speaker 1: like gang leader Tuki.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tuk, who's like gang leader of the crips, even
Speaker 2: though he was like the poster child for like rehabilitation
Speaker 2: and like wrote so many children's books, right, but Schwartzenegger
Speaker 2: is so like killed him.
Speaker 1: Yes, And then the state did execute him. And then
Speaker 1: that day on the yard, a guard was so stupid
Speaker 1: and didn't realize that ten cents was so high because
Speaker 1: of this execution, and then like I did get like
Speaker 1: shanked down boots and like stabs so many times, but inmates, yeah,
Speaker 1: so nobody even noticed it. So it's a little bit
Speaker 1: like prison guards out there like read the news.
Speaker 2: Read the news, like go to Dailymail dot com dot
Speaker 2: uk and just.
Speaker 1: Like take the temp of the yard before you go
Speaker 1: wandering through.
Speaker 2: So when he gets out of prison, him and Melissa
Speaker 2: writing these letters and oh that actually happened even before
Speaker 2: he went to prison this time, right, we're already married. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were already married and kid, so oh they go
Speaker 2: see like a fortune teller and this fortune teller is
Speaker 2: like reading all these crazy charts and he says, your
Speaker 2: fame is gonna get so big and Melissa, your wife
Speaker 2: isn't gonna like how famous you're gonna get, and a
Speaker 2: woman is going to come between you.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, uh yeah, that's more obvious thing
Speaker 1: in the world. And he's like and then it actually
Speaker 1: came true. And who's the woman you ask?
Speaker 2: Chloe? She's the hairess to top Shop seas and it's
Speaker 2: so iconic. And he's at this like crazy party that
Speaker 2: his agent takes him to and he's introducing him to.
Speaker 1: Like Ridia walking for Philip Plyne, who's just like the
Speaker 1: most like cheesy designer.
Speaker 2: And he's in the Extremity fashion show.
Speaker 1: It's being just like his whole like fashion guer is
Speaker 1: so Zulander.
Speaker 2: Okay. Also, there's so many amazing photos, like let's get
Speaker 2: into it of his like fashion work.
Speaker 1: What's funny is there's two photo sections in this book.
Speaker 1: The first is like photos of his life and like
Speaker 1: him with his kids and him like doing those mom
Speaker 1: those prison photo shoots where they have the background.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a fun background so you can take photos
Speaker 2: with the goods.
Speaker 1: But then the second is just literally modeling photos that
Speaker 1: seem like they were done just for this book or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like I was looking up his other modeling photos,
Speaker 2: like in Milan where he's wearing like so much. Kind
Speaker 2: of like early two of him out the fencing photos
Speaker 2: is okay, so he's like doing this sexy lie down
Speaker 2: but like leaning on one elbow. He's holding a pillow
Speaker 2: or is that the fencing block pad like a fencing sword,
Speaker 2: and then fencing boots.
Speaker 1: What I will say, though, I do feel like I'm
Speaker 1: not seeing a lot of range in his facial expressions.
Speaker 1: He's got such a strong face, but I think he's
Speaker 1: afraid to kind of like move it around a little bit.
Speaker 1: So Okay, here he is smiling, doing one smile getting
Speaker 1: out of a pool. It looks good to me.
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit like, well, if you have this face,
Speaker 2: like this is kind of the face.
Speaker 1: But here's a little so okay when he gets.
Speaker 2: Wet, somemoldering here this black and white photo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again that's the same face.
Speaker 2: I think this face is different than this face, which is.
Speaker 1: That face, the water face that he's doing a little
Speaker 1: bit more work. But it's like I'm not seen like surprise,
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing Coquette. I'm not. I could see a
Speaker 1: little bit more.
Speaker 2: Here, but yeah, the clothes that he's wearing all like
Speaker 2: the people dress him in are these like slashed blue
Speaker 2: and black leather jackets that say like fear no bitch
Speaker 2: like on them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like he's walking for Philip. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Remember he talked about Philip Plane a lot
Speaker 1: because that's who like brought him to a lot of events.
Speaker 1: When he goes to Canon, eventually does meet Chloe Chloe
Speaker 1: and along with Gigi Hadid.
Speaker 2: Who was he describes as super laid back in chill.
Speaker 1: Jim and I met a really cool woman there named
Speaker 1: Gigi Hadid. She was incredibly laid back. We talked with
Speaker 1: her all evening. She told us that she had a
Speaker 1: membership to the Monte Carlo Beach Club, and then we
Speaker 1: were walking to join her the next day. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just my first time at a beach club in Monte Carlo.
Speaker 1: It was my first time going to a beach club period.
Speaker 1: And so that's when he runs into this girl, Chloe,
Speaker 1: who turns out to be the heiress to top Shop.
Speaker 1: When we first met, I had no idea who she was.
Speaker 1: I didn't follow fashion industry, and I had no idea
Speaker 1: that she was the daughter of billionaire Philip Green. His
Speaker 1: nickname was the King of high Street. The business mogul
Speaker 1: owned top Shop, Miss Selfridge and so many more, twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred outlets across the UK. He even known Sears.
Speaker 1: There were no top shops near San Quentin. That's the
Speaker 1: prison in California. And we sure weren't watching reruns of
Speaker 1: Maid and Chelsea while I was locked of a person.
Speaker 1: Is that like a cheesy British reality show? It must
Speaker 1: be anyway as Essex, it's very up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm sure Chloe, like in a housewise way,
Speaker 2: was on the show, and so he was so like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not, like, I haven't been watching this show. He's like,
Speaker 2: of course not fully divorced from Melissa, who stood by him.
Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, you know, Melissa wasn't so
Speaker 1: happy about me dating this like billionaire British girl with
Speaker 1: like so many homes in Monte Carlos.
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, so then this photo like did
Speaker 2: come out that was like us on a yacht and
Speaker 2: like off the coast of Turkey, and he's like, and
Speaker 2: I do wish I had formerly filed for divorce before
Speaker 2: the Turkish yacht photo came out, but like, unfortunately I didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem.
Speaker 2: By the end of the book and like spoiler alert,
Speaker 2: him and Chloe have now broken up, mostly because he
Speaker 2: fell into depression and didn't want to live full time
Speaker 2: in a Monaco.
Speaker 1: Same even though his son really enjoyed going to school
Speaker 1: there and became really close with their driver, who then
Speaker 1: died in a biking accident. This is it's so sad
Speaker 1: because the driver's motorcycle breaks and so then this is
Speaker 1: kind of the suing s Jeremy buys him a new
Speaker 1: motorcycle because he's like so grateful for him, like being
Speaker 1: such a good driver and like striking up such a
Speaker 1: nice relationship with his son well, and he's also like
Speaker 1: in a motorcycle accident like three weeks later and so
Speaker 1: guilty of.
Speaker 2: Course, he sent you if I hadn't repaired his motorcycle, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe he wouldn't have died, but motorcycles are very dangerous,
Speaker 2: but maybe the guy wouldn't have had money dangerous repair
Speaker 2: the motorcycle. So let's if he didn't repair the motorcycle,
Speaker 2: you can't blame yourself. And he saw on him he
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I never had money to do things,
Speaker 2: and now I can give anyway. It sounds like his son,
Speaker 2: though now still lives in Monaca with Chloe, because he's
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 1: And you know if Chloe's sort of in some ways
Speaker 1: is the Leanna to his son. She's this mom who
Speaker 1: stepped up and she's just being like.
Speaker 2: Thay, she just is the mom. He has a baby
Speaker 2: with Chloe and a baby with Melissa.
Speaker 1: Is the Molissa kid not also going to school there?
Speaker 2: Oh no, the Molissic kid. I think it's like back
Speaker 2: in the States because I saw him post being like
Speaker 2: my son graduated from eighth grade and I'm so proud. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: And it was definitely like and it wasn't Halie based.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he wasn't graduate.
Speaker 2: From And him talking about like Monico schools is so funny.
Speaker 2: He's being like he met all these people and they
Speaker 2: spoke all these different languages and they could do so
Speaker 2: much at this Monaco school.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just basically been like every like white
Speaker 1: liberal parent who's just like, I want my kid to
Speaker 1: speak four languages and I'm enrolling them in Mandarin and
Speaker 1: ah seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I have to give it to him because
Speaker 2: his career really popped off and he came back from
Speaker 2: Monaco and he started working with vig Fox, which I
Speaker 2: was so happy. He devotes a full chapter.
Speaker 1: Two yeah, and he says that she is the goat.
Speaker 1: And then he starts doing all these kind of like
Speaker 1: B movies, these kind of like Greater Tyler Perry, Viviget Fox,
Speaker 1: like BT plus, like Pluto TV like No.
Speaker 2: And I was like streaming, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I do need to get a BET login that I've
Speaker 2: been trying to get forever.
Speaker 1: I watched like ten minutes of this movie that he
Speaker 1: was in and he was just like the thing I
Speaker 1: sent you where he was where It's like he's like
Speaker 1: on the phone holding a perfume body. He's like, yes,
Speaker 1: we just received the samples of the new perfume. We'll
Speaker 1: put together a marketing strategy asap. And then just like
Speaker 1: a hawk, girl comes in and he's just like, Wow,
Speaker 1: you're so beautiful. I bought you a locket and she's like,
Speaker 1: you're my client. I could never accept this locket.
Speaker 2: Okay, And that was interesting because I watched more of
Speaker 2: a thriller where he plays like an evil strip club owner.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's got range well, and.
Speaker 2: In this book he talks about how he's on the
Speaker 2: set of this movie and like, during like a break,
Speaker 2: ving raims to him, is like you should do rom
Speaker 2: coms and he's like what, No, Like not me, I
Speaker 2: only do thrillers. And he's like, no, man, you should
Speaker 2: really do it. And then he's like someone overheard our
Speaker 2: conversation and said I could do a rom com. So
Speaker 2: then that's probably what you watched. You watched his transition
Speaker 2: to a rom com.
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell where the movie was one of those
Speaker 1: movies where it's like, maybe it could end up as
Speaker 1: a thriller.
Speaker 2: Right, Mine was verrely key was evil, but then he
Speaker 2: also goes and does like a stage production of a
Speaker 2: play called Her Lies His Secrets.
Speaker 1: Oh, the one in Indiana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and he's like stage performance is so amazing.
Speaker 1: It's also very Smith Jared of him to be like,
Speaker 1: I'm like a hot guy doing a play.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then of course, like at the end of
Speaker 2: kind of this tale and he's like less celebrity in
Speaker 2: this way because he is just prison Bay. He's a
Speaker 2: little more kind of like laying out his goals in
Speaker 2: Your's Resolutions at the end of the book, yeah, being like, look,
Speaker 2: I actually really want to go to Brazil and like
Speaker 2: my like Mama Donna who raised me but isn't my
Speaker 2: mother is like half Japannee, and I would love to
Speaker 2: visit Okannawa.
Speaker 1: She's the funky mom in Medical Lake who is their
Speaker 1: mom who was so like, if y'all want to do
Speaker 1: weed and drink, that's okay, but I'd rather you do
Speaker 1: it at my house.
Speaker 2: He has sent to some charitable work that I just
Speaker 2: want to read this passage. He's working with some kind
Speaker 2: of underprivileged children. It got me to thinking, I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people. I know a lot of people
Speaker 2: are really big brands who would love to get involved
Speaker 2: to help those kids trapped in the system who didn't
Speaker 2: have anyone giving them some clothes. A contacted my man
Speaker 2: Rich at Fashion Nova because I've been doing a lot
Speaker 2: of work with him, and asked they be willing to
Speaker 2: supply these kids with some clothes. He came back instantly
Speaker 2: and then he he gets all these kids some dope
Speaker 2: clothes and Fashion Nova that's sick. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, people.
Speaker 1: Say a Fashion Nomah makes incredibly low quality garments, and
Speaker 1: I bought this really cheap pair of shorts like five
Speaker 1: years ago, And are they like coming apart at the seams, Yes,
Speaker 1: but like five years is not that bad for like
Speaker 1: a forty dollars pair of shorts.
Speaker 2: That's actually insanely long time.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it's not entirely my fault
Speaker 1: that they're coming to part at the seams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're man spreading and like putting your little paws
Speaker 2: down there doing some things in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think my body has been sort of
Speaker 1: man's breading the inside the shorts over the past.
Speaker 2: I say, one of my favorite pair of casual shorts
Speaker 2: is a pair of black Cargoes from Walmart in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: I got them because I was going tubing praise the Walmart.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, they look good. They were ten bucks.
Speaker 2: And I just think Rich at Fashion Nova is like
Speaker 2: doing some amazing work. And I have to say, and
Speaker 2: we'll review this, but I mean, honestly, I'm like so
Speaker 2: proud of Jeremy Meeks and like he's kind of covered
Speaker 2: a lot of topics in this book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, props to my man, because you know,
Speaker 1: I do think his story is well, it's extraordinary because
Speaker 1: of his bone structure. You know, he is able to
Speaker 1: shed I pretty like non proselytizing light on our prison
Speaker 1: system and how fucked up it is and.
Speaker 2: How far to the prison system, how far to up
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical industry is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also love that part because he's saying,
Speaker 1: like American doctors just pushed right out. I see on
Speaker 1: him over and over and over again for his backpan,
Speaker 1: and he's like, when I was in Europe, I saw
Speaker 1: that the way they dealt with this was much more
Speaker 1: holistic approach. But America is just pills, pills, pills, And he's.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, they didn't ask me if, like my family
Speaker 2: had a history of addiction. First, I did. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think Jeremy has also like done a
Speaker 2: really good job like staying close to Melissa, his ex wife. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they actually went on a reality show to call
Speaker 2: like After Happily ever af After Happily ever After, and
Speaker 2: he was like, I really didn't want to go on
Speaker 2: it because I knew like the industry and they would
Speaker 2: just like edit us to look bad. But she really
Speaker 2: wanted to go on it, and he was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to deny her like piece of the pie
Speaker 2: of fame. He's like, I got my fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's actually very very chill of him.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's also his book, you know who.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's not a perfect father.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure Melissa and Chloe, Yeah, have their started
Speaker 2: the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they on the side of the story and
Speaker 1: they could say, you know, like you know when he
Speaker 1: says like I was tempted by women, but like I
Speaker 1: always told my manager to like have them not come
Speaker 1: over to me when I'm doing all these like paid
Speaker 1: appearances at just like a whatever like Mountain Dew event,
Speaker 1: like at some nightclub. I'm kind of like, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you were getting bezet with these cheeks.
Speaker 2: Here we go the Daily Mail, our favorite website. In
Speaker 2: the amounter of months ago, the model was forced to
Speaker 2: deny they had split him in Chloe. That is after
Speaker 2: he was photographed am and arm with Romanian born model
Speaker 2: Andrea Sassu at two events during the Corn Film Festival.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so our boy was double dibbit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he's being very like I love
Speaker 2: both the mothers of my children. I would never look
Speaker 2: at another woman named Andrea Sassu. Yeah, so don't believe
Speaker 2: men all the time. Yeah, but like also proud of.
Speaker 1: You, Jeremy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're a con please.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know what, Jeremy, I know, I came
Speaker 1: into this book with like, you know, low expectations, just
Speaker 1: based on the kind of the margin, the margin.
Speaker 2: And like the reason because at the beginning I was
Speaker 2: definitely kind of like, Okay, I know who you are,
Speaker 2: but also like why am I reading this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like ultimately, like do I think that like
Speaker 1: his story is I mean, I'm impressed with what he's done.
Speaker 1: I like, I guess I'm out of everyone who gets
Speaker 1: this kind of fame. He's maintained in a slightly more
Speaker 1: interesting way, by doing these kind of like low grade,
Speaker 1: like these almost like kind of tear read level kind
Speaker 1: of films where.
Speaker 2: I'm just like kind of more gone into just like
Speaker 2: a B level thriller that's like streaming, as we said, as.
Speaker 1: Opposed to continuing to doing like Dancing with the Stars forever.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I think that's kind of it's more admirable.
Speaker 2: He's way more into like the subject matter too.
Speaker 1: I Also what I like about this book is, I
Speaker 1: know we're getting into like reading it, but I'm like
Speaker 1: because it's like so almost self published vibes, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like there's stuff that wouldn't usually be in like
Speaker 1: a bigger title where he's talking about the violence in prison,
Speaker 1: like really intensely, And I think that's so important that
Speaker 1: we talk about how actually violent it can be inside
Speaker 1: the prison system, because a lot of the time that
Speaker 1: kind of violence isn't discussed.
Speaker 2: No, and it's just more like, oh, you're violent, so
Speaker 2: you should go to prison.
Speaker 1: When it's like and he's just like, prison is full
Speaker 1: of people who actually want to kill you, and it's
Speaker 1: all these rival gangs and like everyone's getting murdered. Like
Speaker 1: the whole part about prison riots and how it's just
Speaker 1: like it's in deluge of death and blood and everyone's
Speaker 1: getting stabbed left and right. Is so terrifying. And I
Speaker 1: feel like a HarperCollins would kind of like really tame
Speaker 1: that section down, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because they would just be like, oh, wasn't it hard
Speaker 2: for you there? Or maybe because they probably have so
Speaker 2: many like Charles Manson books. I loved his little paragraph
Speaker 2: bought Charles Manson. That was like we had one interaction
Speaker 2: that was like horrible where basically like they were showering
Speaker 2: and then like Charles Manson like screamed racial epithets about
Speaker 2: him and he was like and then he just was
Speaker 2: pacing on, mumbling, and he was like, okay, Grandpa, get
Speaker 2: yourself to bed. I'm gonna go open all my fan mail, okay,
Speaker 2: And he was like Charles Manson would get Duffels also
Speaker 2: sent to him every single day.
Speaker 1: That's fame for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of the substance a little bit like
Speaker 2: like rival like hotties yea, and like Charles Manson is like,
Speaker 2: you know, the racist called serial killer of the past
Speaker 2: the past, and then here's like hot poison Bay. It
Speaker 2: was much more just like victim of like fucked up
Speaker 2: police system, right, He's like, I actually didn't have to
Speaker 2: like run a colt and kill all of them. I'm
Speaker 2: just hot and I went to a bowling alley. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm hot, and.
Speaker 1: I peeked during the height of mom Facebook in twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen hot segment What does she wear?
Speaker 2: What does she eat? How does she live?
Speaker 1: What does she wear? Fashion Nova?
Speaker 2: Fashion Nova? Like, I think he has also like really
Speaker 2: badass leather pieces. But I think it's also like maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit of like a baggy dickies and like
Speaker 2: sometimes like a beautiful linen shirt buttoned down, or it's
Speaker 2: like crazy skinny jeans and a Moto leather jacket.
Speaker 1: I definitely think it's crazy skinny jeans but slashes. I
Speaker 1: definitely think it's like.
Speaker 2: White linen suit from Fashion Nova.
Speaker 1: Turtleneck, sexy turtleneck, sexy turtleneck, anyone leather jacket over sexy.
Speaker 2: Turtle dock sandals.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like he is still having a
Speaker 1: little bit of a gang bang or vibe and doing
Speaker 1: like big clean white T shirt or is he not
Speaker 1: because he's so I left that life behind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's left that life behind. I think
Speaker 2: it's a little more like and everything's more hitted now
Speaker 2: tight shirt, right.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I want to go to Brazil and
Speaker 1: a tight shirt and that's my goal for twenty.
Speaker 2: Twenty with like kind of like this like white zipper
Speaker 2: Pleathan jacket.
Speaker 1: The movie I watched the sidebar, but the Love Interest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it starts out she's trying to get pegnant and she's
Speaker 1: on the toilet like taking a pegrancy test, and she
Speaker 1: has an anklet on both ankles. So I wonder if, like,
Speaker 1: do you think he ever got Chloe like an anklet
Speaker 1: as a gift, like with her credit card?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like, here's your visa books. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's like, no, I'm gonna pay with this with my
Speaker 2: like and trauma de fashion show money.
Speaker 1: Okay. How does he live?
Speaker 2: I think he?
Speaker 1: Do you think he lives like in a two bedroom
Speaker 1: condo in La.
Speaker 2: Es two bedroom calibasas for me, because he thinks Colabossos
Speaker 2: is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's living in such a family place.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: No, now that he's like single, I feel like he
Speaker 1: has a bachelor pad.
Speaker 2: In lowerl Canyon.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. No, I think it's like a little bit
Speaker 1: more just like Valley. No, like Korea Town.
Speaker 2: I don't think he lives in Korea. Cinta Monica, more
Speaker 2: Santa Monica, like he sees more or even Venice Beach,
Speaker 2: Like he's more beach to me, he's so Venice, right,
Speaker 2: And he's like on a longboard and he's taking his
Speaker 2: son's longboarding.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cute. It's so cute dream Okay. And
Speaker 1: I think it's somewhat underdecorated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a dad in this way. But
Speaker 2: I think it's like frame posters of like the Dutch
Speaker 2: Three that's one of the movie season right, self published author.
Speaker 1: I feel like when I was looking at the movies,
Speaker 1: they were all like already sequels.
Speaker 2: It's everything. It's like a sequel of a sequel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got the Dutch three framed, and maybe like
Speaker 1: there's definitely like a lot of like families where the
Speaker 1: home is like silver frames.
Speaker 2: Yes, and like frame photos of like all of his wives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like him and Melissa are getting each other's
Speaker 1: shotter flies for Christmas like constantly.
Speaker 2: But like he also like has been to like beautiful
Speaker 2: European churches, and I feel like has gotten some like
Speaker 2: weird gifts for himself.
Speaker 1: You think he's buying some like beautiful cross. Yeah, potchki cross.
Speaker 2: Helpsed like Pastor Davis. He is very new church.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not buying like a beautiful like medieval like
Speaker 1: fake cross.
Speaker 2: Okay, but he takes that author to like a church
Speaker 2: and he's like, here we are two former gang members.
Speaker 1: I think there's maybe a cross or two in the house.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's.
Speaker 2: Like I'm just travel cross. I was not trying really
Speaker 2: about a travel concept, like a framed European photo from
Speaker 2: a kiosk in a tourist area.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Well. Agree you think he got
Speaker 1: like a cool postcard of just like Courchevelle and he's
Speaker 1: just like and he's like, he took it to his framers.
Speaker 1: What is he me?
Speaker 2: He could be very Framebridge and he's like, hey, is
Speaker 2: anything you want to frame?
Speaker 1: No, I think Melissa is Framebridge, Framebridge, Massachusetts over here.
Speaker 2: Oh well, he's kind of like part Rhode Island Indian as.
Speaker 1: I says Warwick. Yeah so, and he did not have
Speaker 1: a great time in Rhode Island.
Speaker 2: No, he left pretty soon.
Speaker 1: Many don't. Yeah, what does he eat?
Speaker 2: I think he is like protein protein protein.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's missed Jim. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It literally is just like grilled chicken.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I want to say he goes
Speaker 1: to a gym that's like it's not like such a
Speaker 1: crunch like.
Speaker 2: Or P thirty five or whatever that program is.
Speaker 1: It's some kind of like new male kind of local
Speaker 1: chain where there's like seven locations in Los Angeles and
Speaker 1: it's called Evolve.
Speaker 2: Or like, yeah, it's evolved Jim.
Speaker 1: He has a train or like the build or something,
Speaker 1: and it's like one hundred dollars a month, like it's
Speaker 1: not EQUINAX prices, but it's not blank.
Speaker 2: No, And I think it's small. But he works out
Speaker 2: a lot, and I think it's like what he's eating.
Speaker 2: It's like tons of protein powders, and I think it's.
Speaker 1: Just like, yeah, oh, the kitchen is like creating.
Speaker 2: Up the who Yeah, And then he's doing a nonstick
Speaker 2: pan grilled chicken, which is and just kind of throwing
Speaker 2: a lot of.
Speaker 1: Powders and all that weird like plastic coating is getting
Speaker 1: all over the food. And honestly, frankly he's the air fier.
Speaker 1: Yes for the kids, Yeah, they love it and always
Speaker 1: putting like salmon bites in or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's just like broccoli maybe like rice pouches. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: like Melissa is a better cook.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's also airfier. But she's saying that she's
Speaker 1: like better at using the air fire.
Speaker 2: Does he missed the food and want to cove?
Speaker 1: I bet he do.
Speaker 2: And then I think like he cheats on his diet
Speaker 2: when he travels. He's having like one pre here.
Speaker 1: I think actually he's not, because he's so disciplined in
Speaker 1: like learning his lines for a play. I kind of
Speaker 1: think that he's like actually not cheating on the diet.
Speaker 1: I think though he will and he's culture Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: tasting the cultures too, but I'm saying he's not being
Speaker 1: so James Candelpini and loading up on like six orders
Speaker 1: of trimpet four.
Speaker 2: I have half of the schnitzel.
Speaker 1: Yes, he'll have a few bites with Rachel style.
Speaker 2: Oh. And I kind of like, I'm like, is he
Speaker 2: sober now? Because he was like I smokedweed all. Oh no,
Speaker 2: Now he's into mushrooms.
Speaker 1: He's solos, yeah, because he said mushrooms are about wellness.
Speaker 2: And his like healing journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's actually always like being more ayahuasca now right,
Speaker 1: and I think your depression. I couldn't tell if that
Speaker 1: friend Ugo at the end was a gay designer, that
Speaker 1: he was. This fashion designer was really important. He was
Speaker 1: a stylist.
Speaker 2: At the end of the book, it gets a little
Speaker 2: more male friendship in this way that is a little
Speaker 2: more like, Hm, I think I'm g Shedeed and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're super lated.
Speaker 2: I'm so laid back, and I'm like introducing him to
Speaker 2: my like Era's friend.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I'm Germany meet because I've been to
Speaker 1: jail many times. And also hello. When he gets deported
Speaker 1: from the UK, that was that literally it really happened
Speaker 1: to me. And when he said they sent him back
Speaker 1: to New York instead of la where he'd come from.
Speaker 1: You and they sent me to Washington, d C. Instead
Speaker 1: of New York where I came from and you never
Speaker 1: bolt and they marched me through heathrow and handcuffs just
Speaker 1: like they did with him. I was like, wait and
Speaker 1: they were waiting for you all yeah, and they got
Speaker 1: like interrogated in the same cell I was probably out.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, girl, same fucking vibes. If you've
Speaker 1: been detained a Heathrow and deported back to America to
Speaker 1: a city you haven't that you didn't fly from.
Speaker 2: Girls also very like both of you guys were. It's
Speaker 2: like his parole officer could have maybe told him that
Speaker 2: he was going to be deporter from Heathrow and he
Speaker 2: was like, oh girl, I'm going to London.
Speaker 1: No I know. And it was like literally like I
Speaker 1: could have done one ounce of research to like know
Speaker 1: that I shouldn't have showed up without a return to
Speaker 1: get in like a huge bag saying I want to
Speaker 1: do and.
Speaker 2: Say you want to be a piano teacher and a journalist, dumbass.
Speaker 1: And I still do and that's my goal for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 2: To Jeremy like literally, dope job. I give this book
Speaker 2: a three point seven nonstick pans out of pans. I think, like,
Speaker 2: for what is supposed to be some dumb book about
Speaker 2: an influencer, I think he's shone a light. I'm a
Speaker 2: lot more going on our country than some of these
Speaker 2: celebrities do with the end of their book about their
Speaker 2: little foundations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate the light being shown. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: is it a work of great literature? No?
Speaker 2: Does he repeat himself all the time, absolutely, like he'll
Speaker 2: do a page will be like I grew up in
Speaker 2: Medical Lake, and then the next page will be like
Speaker 2: as I said, someone who grew.
Speaker 1: Up in medical up in medical Lake, Like no, we
Speaker 1: got it, No, we got it. Sure, yeah No. I
Speaker 1: give this three out of five. What's it called bad decisions?
Speaker 1: What's the drink?
Speaker 2: Audio? Smotherfuck audios, motherfuckers? And I think it like gave
Speaker 2: a light to a lot of kind of like be
Speaker 2: my thrillers that like I think I am such a fan.
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