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Speaker 1: I never told your protection of I Heart Radio. We

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Speaker 1: have quite the lineup today. UM. I enjoyed myself thoroughly,

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Speaker 1: even though these two movies are outside of my wheelhouse.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to ask as my question before we

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Speaker 1: Sleepless in Seattle and you've got mail, and for you've

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Speaker 1: got mail. It just it brought back a lot of

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Speaker 1: You had any embarrassing user names you're willing to share?

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Speaker 1: So I did not do because during that time I

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Speaker 1: So why would I have my own account? I did

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Speaker 1: I do remember doing that it's been so long. I

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Speaker 1: But doing all of that, I don't remember having my

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Speaker 1: which used to be the Zenga site, which you've never

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Speaker 1: heard of, apparently talked about this uh and I was talking.

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Speaker 1: from that, right, Oh that's fitting for for you've got mail. Actually, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I love this man. I've seen him

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Speaker 1: in several movies. And it's also, believe the last movie

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Speaker 1: she did with her husband at that time in a musical,

431
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Speaker 1: as well as Liza Manelli, isn't it at the very end,

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Speaker 1: there you go, some fun facts, some fun facts, and

433
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,239
Speaker 1: You've Got Mail. Was generally well received when it came out,

434
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: but definitely not as much as Sleepless in Seattle. Very basically,

435
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: it follows the romance between two unsuspecting business rifles. One

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00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: is Meg Ryan's character Kathy Kennedy, who is the owner

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Speaker 1: of an independent bookshop called Shop around the Corner Um Shops.

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Speaker 1: She inherited from her mother and intends to give to

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Speaker 1: her daughter one day, who she doesn't have a daughter,

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Speaker 1: but she intends to have a daughter and give it

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Speaker 1: to her one day. The other character is Tom Hanks's

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Speaker 1: character Joe Fox, who runs the huge bookstore chain Fox Books.

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Speaker 1: So we've already got we've got a dilemma here, there's

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Speaker 1: the attention right there. Um. So Kathleen is dating this

445
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: sort of old fashioned, left leaning newspaper writer who still

446
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: uses a typewriter as in fact, he has a many

447
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: a collection of typewriters and by the way, it's great,

448
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: like Tom pigs yeah him, yeah, yes he does. Uh

449
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: you know what. And I love typewriters when I don't

450
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Speaker 1: have one, but I saw one that was such a

451
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: beautiful one I really wanted to buy it, but it

452
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: was before I could pay for extra things like that

453
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Speaker 1: because they're expensive. Um. But yeah, he has a whole

454
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Speaker 1: collection because he doesn't like technology. Row. Meanwhile, Kathleen loves

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Speaker 1: her laptop and a o l which, by the way

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Speaker 1: you open, I think the scene not only opens with

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Speaker 1: the sound, which is you know, exactly where you are,

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Speaker 1: and her user name is of course shop girl in

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Speaker 1: an over thirties chat room, which yes, like I said,

460
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Speaker 1: I wasn't in my chat room was like a Christian

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Speaker 1: young themed chat room. She means n y one two

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Speaker 1: A K Joe Fox Uh. Through voice over, we learned

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Speaker 1: her boundaries when it comes to this online space pretty

464
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Speaker 1: much no specifics, including an importantly names and job, which

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Speaker 1: makes sense which I sometimes. I have very strict rules

466
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: as well when it comes to online dating, and there's

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Speaker 1: a whole thing, including the fact that because of how

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Speaker 1: quickly things progress in online dating, um, I will not

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Speaker 1: tell people like my friends his real name. We give

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Speaker 1: them a nickname until they're official, Like they don't actually

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Speaker 1: get a real name until her official. It's kind of

472
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Speaker 1: all those lines, but as the viewer we see them

473
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Speaker 1: passing each other in real life. I've benownst to the characters.

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Speaker 1: They officially meet at Kathleen's bookstore, where Joe doesn't share

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Speaker 1: his last name, after she shares her concerns about the

476
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Speaker 1: recent opening of a Fox Books near her shop. I

477
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Speaker 1: mean he's gonna put out of business. He knows this,

478
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Speaker 1: She knows this, but it can't stay secret for long.

479
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: And they run into each other at a party for

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Speaker 1: publishers in New York, and Kathleen learns who Joke is.

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Speaker 1: Of course, didn't They start arguing because you have to

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Speaker 1: have that tension. Yeah, and then the shop girl is

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Speaker 1: like real upset by this shop girl flash Gryan, So

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Speaker 1: she seeks out the advice of NYE two k Joe Fox,

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Speaker 1: and they decided to meet Ira, which by another thing

486
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't really figure out is they're both like seriously

487
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: dating people in real life, And I'm like, are they

488
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: were they dating or was I mean, like I guess,

489
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Speaker 1: flirting or was this just sort of online friendship? I

490
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: don't know. It felt very flirty to me. But okay,

491
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: Joe realizes who Kathleen is because she had arrived first

492
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Speaker 1: and she's waiting inside the place they were supposed to meet.

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Speaker 1: Um uh, So he comes in and he takes the

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Speaker 1: open seat. They argue some more without him revealing his

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Speaker 1: online persona uh later online as n Y one two,

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00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: he apologized to chef girl um, giving his word that

497
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: one day he will explain everything. Right, But you know,

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Speaker 1: I did you get the references for the Godfather and

499
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: all of this? You did? Okay? Because the first one

500
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: was Yeah, so because I was made sure you knew,

501
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: like taking it to the Mattresses. We watched the first one.

502
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: It was long and we were kind of tired and

503
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: was late at night. But he references throughout the movie

504
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Speaker 1: about going to the mattresses, you know, leave, leave the gun,

505
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: and take the cannoli. That was all in the first movie,

506
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: by the way. Um, and so it becomes a big thing.

507
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: And I do love that he's giving advice to her

508
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: on how to be mean to himself. Like essentially it

509
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: was the whole advice because she's so sweet, which I

510
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: think I've been there so many times where I'm like, man,

511
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: why couldn't I get a good comeback? Which was her problem? Yeah, yeah,

512
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: and he I mean, it's funny throughout he's kind of like,

513
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Speaker 1: I'm a jerk and I don't know what's wrong with me,

514
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: and he's helping her become a jerk, and like she

515
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Speaker 1: doesn't like it, like she thinks she wants to be

516
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: when but then when she does it, she's like oh.

517
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Speaker 1: And it's such a classic Tom Hanks move when he

518
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: a Chappelle are looking in the window to see her

519
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: and David's like, oh, she's hot, and he freaks out

520
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: going I knew it, you know, like he's like shaking

521
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: the fence, such classic Tom Hanks. And then and then

522
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: he's like, well it's Kathleen Kennedy and he's like, oh right,

523
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: and he leaves thinking that he was just going to

524
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Speaker 1: leave her, and I leave her heartbroken, but he couldn't

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00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: do it. He couldn't do it. Um overtime, Kathleen Shop

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Speaker 1: goes out of business. She ends her relationship with Greg Kner.

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00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: She said she wants to write children's books, and Joy

528
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: realized is surprised, surprise, he has feelings for her and

529
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Speaker 1: pursues a relationship with her. I r L. They start

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Speaker 1: hanging out a lot and they become friends. Technically, Greg

531
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Speaker 1: Knaire Frank breaks up with her. Yeah, it was kind

532
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: of a that was also a mutual like were we're

533
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: perfect for each other on paper, but it's just not

534
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: working right because he's like, I'm being mean to you

535
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: and arguing with you this whole time because I'm I

536
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: mean the faithful one is kind of what he says,

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00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: and he's like in her finishing sentence of him saying,

538
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: I don't love you so again, A really good ending

539
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: and they were able to be friends. Uh, I have

540
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 1: a feeling again because a couple of Fron's relationships were

541
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: such disasters. That's what she would have loved to see,

542
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: and that's what she wanted to see. But you know, yeah,

543
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: So in Why one two, Fox ranges a meet up

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Speaker 1: with shop girl, who agrees to but then Joe reveals

545
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Speaker 1: his feelings for her, trying to you know, of course,

546
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Speaker 1: to make a little bit of a yeah, like like

547
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of complications there. Um, And she goes

548
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: and hope, I'm thinking he was trying to rescue himself.

549
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: If she felt the way and that didn't meet up

550
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: with him, he wouldn't have to reveal any of this, right, Um.

551
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: So she goes to the meeting place and realizes Joe

552
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 1: is in fact in Yet two with tears just streaming

553
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: down her face. Of course, the meg Ryan face, acute,

554
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: the cute crying face. She turns and says, I was

555
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: hoping it was you take a moment, and of course

556
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: we assume her Baxley and uh Joe lived happily ever after,

557
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: her as a writer and him as a jerk, uh entrepreneur.

558
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: Isn't that always the way? Uh? So I couldn't resist

559
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: adding this fun trivia. Know. Apparently the website for this

560
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: movie was up until I was able to find it

561
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: on the way Back Machine, I think. Um. And it

562
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: was widely lampooned for its overly nineties web design like

563
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: Space Jam website, you've got male kind of level. Um.

564
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: You could like download desktop backgrounds and they had instructions

565
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: on how to put them in place. They were chat

566
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: rooms to talk about how much you love the movie. Um.

567
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: There was a sr like I don't know if anybody

568
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: remembers that, but I do where you like would make

569
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Speaker 1: the art out of key Oh. It's maybe a lot

570
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: just thinking about it. Um. And also the movie regularly

571
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: shows up on worst product Placements of All Time list

572
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: because of the a O l uh product placement and

573
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean especially in the very beginning where you do

574
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: go through not only the like but then like the

575
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: whole connecting yeah yeah yeah yeah. And also Rudy Giuliani

576
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: was in it. That was weird. That was that was

577
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: a part that didn't age well. And part talking about

578
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: not being about all of those things is like that

579
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: has not aged well. Yeah, that was weird. I was

580
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: just like, what the um Alright, so those are the

581
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: plots of both of these these movies, so let's talk

582
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: about Let's talk about them a little bit. But first

583
00:32:46,920 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: we have one more cup break for wordsmower sponsor and

584
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: we're back, Thank you, sponsor. Oh yeah, So obviously before

585
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: we go any further, we have to talk a little

586
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: bit about Nora Ephron and her and her ideas and

587
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: thoughts on her movie making, her scripts and why these

588
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: were important stories. And you know, there was a lot

589
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: of back and forth, and I didn't get too into

590
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: it because there's a whole three articles after Sleepless in

591
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: Seattle from a writer from l A. Times who talked

592
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: about this in such a way about how this was

593
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: a slap in the face for men who were supporting

594
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: feminists as well as feminism in itself, and how this

595
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: was not empowering. And he talked about how, you know,

596
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: in the wake Up film and Louise, which was kind

597
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: of around that same time, this was a complete affront

598
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: to feminist Like he was angry, Like it was like,

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00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: I get what he's saying in the sense of like

600
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: this level of romance and finding a man and all

601
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: of that could be seen as like a backwards step

602
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: um could be, but like he was angry about it.

603
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: He was bitter and angry. So if any of y'all

604
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: want to see that article, let me know, because it

605
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: was almost hilarious how better he was. But all that

606
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: to say, Nora did make a big, big impact in

607
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: our movie world, especially ron comms. Uh. And actually she

608
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: came from a whole line of writers, her whole family.

609
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: Her parents were script writers. Her sister helped her with

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00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: You've Got Mail. They co wrote that together, and they

611
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: wrote books based on each other as well as their

612
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: own lives. So it was really interesting to see. Obviously

613
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: they were always going to be writers, as in fact,

614
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: her sons are writers today. So his whole thing um

615
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: and she was a journalist at first doesn't have y

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00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: I as in fact, after Nora's divorced from the famed

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00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: reporter Carl Bernstein, who was the reporter of the main

618
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: reporter for Watergate, so he was pretty well known at

619
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: this point, she wrote a book based on the disaster

620
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: of their marriage, Heartburn, which was made into a movie

621
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Speaker 1: starring Meryl Streep and Jack Nicholson and the Way. Meryl

622
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: Street was also in several other Efron films, including Julie

623
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: and Julia, which was one of efron films as well.

624
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: This is like my nightmare somebody writes a book about

625
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: how the terrible I am in a relationship or something.

626
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: I guess there's some part of that would be gratifying

627
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: as long as you weren't like an outright horrible person.

628
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: But like, it's just he didn't do the dishes on

629
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: time and then too much. There was a whole thing

630
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: in that. She was allowed to write about it, but

631
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: she had to, uh, according to their divorce agreement, she

632
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: had to give custodial rights, more custistial rights, as well

633
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: as right him as at least the good father. Oh wow,

634
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: can you imagine having a to have to think about

635
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: that one in a divorce agreement? And then right, it's

636
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: a different world we don't live in, but yeah she did.

637
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: Efron did switch to be a screenwriter like her parents

638
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: because it was easier and more flexible for a single mother.

639
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: And though her movies have been criticized for their lightheartedness,

640
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: and according to this one, this one writer about sleep

641
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: Listen Seattle, I like, I like to think that that

642
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: he's known for not liking sleep Listen Seattle, Like It's

643
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: one of those like fun facts people would list about him.

644
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't the top search. When I just put sleep

645
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: listen to Seattle Reviewed, this popped up real quick. I

646
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: was like, okay, well, he said quote the movie isn't

647
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: about empowerment. It's about contrived coincidences that culmnate and a

648
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: hokey love fest at the end. But as another article

649
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: writes about her intentions for the films, and Nora was

650
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: saying that we have already seen a lot of movies

651
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: from the perspective of the man. This one is the

652
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: woman's story. Indeed, it is the ability to control the

653
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: point of view that was most important to Nora as

654
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: a writer and director. Right and again she wrote a

655
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: lot of things are very personal to her and about her,

656
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: and when asked why, she stated, because if I tell

657
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: the story, I can control the version. Because if I

658
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: tell the story, I can make you laugh. And I

659
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: would rather have you laugh at me than feel sorry

660
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: for me. Because if I tell the story, it doesn't

661
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: hurt as much. Because if I tell the story, I

662
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: could get on with it. M control the narrative. Yeah. Um.

663
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: And though some have questioned the simplicity and whimsy of

664
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: all these movies, we do see the perspective from a

665
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: woman who goes after what she wants no matter what,

666
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: and yes it usually ends with everything joyful and neatly

667
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: put together. But there's not anything wrong with that necessarily.

668
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: Like me, you want those escapist movies, You want those

669
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: fun where people do get there happily ever after, even

670
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: if it doesn't make much sense, right. I mean, Roger

671
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: Ebert actually talked about it and his critique when he

672
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: talks about being able to not think and just enjoy

673
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: what's happening, and I've talked about my babysit or brain movies.

674
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: This is exactly one of those things. It's like, of course,

675
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: I get a little eight and I get a little anxious,

676
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: like how embarrassing, and like the second hand embarrassment of things,

677
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: but it is like, oh, it's all wrapped up. Which

678
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: maybe again why I love this holiday romantic movies because

679
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: I need that because I hate the holiday so much

680
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: I need to be able to shut it off. Yeah. Yeah,

681
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: something else I want to talk about in terms of

682
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: You've Got Mail, specifically because we have touched on sort

683
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: of the creepiness factor of Annie and Sleepless in Seattle

684
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: and especially if you switch the genders on that that

685
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: would be a different movie. UM. So I wanted to

686
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: talk about this whole charming or douche bag thing, which

687
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: I do think comes up in a lot of romantic movies,

688
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: but especially in like maybe this period in the eighties. UM,

689
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: which is Yeah, Joe Fox lies to Kathleen a lot

690
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: like their whole relationship for most of this movie is

691
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: based on lies that he knows and she doesn't. UM.

692
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: He makes fun of her pride and prejudice meetup theme

693
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: that he was in on and he read the book

694
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: because shop Girl said it was her favorite. UM. When

695
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: he realizes who she is, he keeps that information from her. UM,

696
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: and he at the very least knows after this like

697
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: failed meeting between Joe, I'm giving it away in UM

698
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: and shop Girl, Like at the very least, she's gonna

699
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: go home and feel like she got stood up. And

700
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, I do enjoy how they tried to come

701
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: up with it. Was he murdered or was he a murderer?

702
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: Did he get to an accident? And all those things

703
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: that you do after you get stood up. Well, he

704
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: does his own little rational like I wasn't a big meeting.

705
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't a yeah, you know, like he does his

706
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: rational thing. And by the way, the reason pride and

707
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: prejudice is so significant, Joe Fox would be the Darcy

708
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: of the story who was a big, pompous jark that

709
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: she doesn't like at first but then comes to, oh,

710
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: I see Pomas rich jark. You're helping me with all

711
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: the references um. And this is so common in heater

712
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: relationships that we see at least the media, Like a

713
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: dude shoots the lady like trash, and she she loves

714
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: him for it, or she loves him anyway, or she

715
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: makes him a better person. Like that came up a

716
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: lot of like I don't want to be this jerk.

717
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: I need someone to make me better, and like you

718
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: could be better, that's the thing you could work on.

719
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: He kind of put her out of business. Let's not

720
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: forget that. Out of business. Her family's pride enjoy exactly

721
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: like this beloved jewel in this neighborhood that even like

722
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: I can't remember that who that guy was specifically, but

723
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: who was a part of Fox Books And he was like, oh, yes,

724
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: Cecilia's bookshop. She was wonderful that his grandfather Okay, I

725
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: knew they were related. That's his grandfather. Um, and yeah,

726
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: she intended to pass that store on to her daughter

727
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: if she had one. And he does frame it as

728
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: he can't help being a jerk, and like even times

729
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: where I guess I'm supposed to be like, oh, look

730
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: he's helping her, like at the grocery storeline, he was

731
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: being a jerk to everybody else and her like, um,

732
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: and he's yeah, he's like with the caviare and she

733
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: says that's a garnish Like he's just this rich and

734
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: privileged guy. He needs Kathleen to make him better in

735
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: quotes um, and certainly throughout Kathleen gets the worst end

736
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: of this deal, but she's supposed to be grateful for

737
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: the manipulation, right and um, as we were saying that

738
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: this was the grandfather who was like, I knew Cecilia

739
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: all of these things. And also interesting to see the

740
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: generational differences and similarities of the Fox Men, because you

741
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: have the father who is a womanizer obviously, who's all

742
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: about the bottom line. His grandfather is a little more sentimental,

743
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: So of course Joe has to be the blend of both. Um.

744
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: But the overall treatment of women is fairly despicable. Yeah,

745
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about that plot line of like the

746
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: really young woman he's marrying that Joe Fox's dad is marrying. Yeah,

747
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: and this is like the fourth wife and he had

748
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: left every single one of them for the nanny and

749
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: then in turn she leaves him for the nanny. Yeah.

750
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: And then the whole thing about like you knows that's

751
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: her the aunt and this is children. Yeah. Um. And

752
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: Nora one said about this quote, can you follow in

753
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: love with a person who isn't the perfect person for you? Or,

754
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: as Delia and I used to say her sister, can

755
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: you fall in love with the Republican? Which he kind

756
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: of does. Come back up with Frank, who truly talks

757
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: about I can't be with someone who doesn't vote like that.

758
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: That was his rhetoric as well. Yeah. Um, and for both,

759
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: You've got me on sleep with sinceatto, you have two

760
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: guys that just walk away with no issues. You have Walter,

761
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: ultimate nice guy who gets hilted at Frank, who is

762
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: a bit pompous. Yes, and besides he doesn't love Kathleen. Um.

763
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: So there is that a pretty wide spectrum of love

764
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: interest in these movies that was one thing watching them

765
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: back to back I noticed immediately like, oh wow, they're

766
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: in relationships, but also like seeking other people, right okay. Um.

767
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: Another quick rundown of some other themes that I noticed

768
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: watching these back to back, that whole idea of happily

769
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: ever after, of the one that just discussion of is

770
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: there just this one person? Is it magic you have?

771
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: Like he had this magical relationship with his wife and

772
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: she died. Is there another the one? Um? Then there

773
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,479
Speaker 1: was that whole discussion of women over forty can't get married,

774
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: and Sleepless in Seattle like it's a death sentence or something. Um,

775
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: the conversation with splitting the check. So sleepless in seattimal

776
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: is at a weird time, I guess where like at

777
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: the time New Way feminism it wasn't meant meant that.

778
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: Like Tom Hanks is like, what is it like dating

779
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: out there? And the duty's talking to was like, you

780
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: don't have to split the check? Right, And he even

781
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: talks about the nineties being like I'm gonna get late.

782
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be one of the few people who's gonna

783
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: get late. I'm going to be the one and yeah,

784
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: and then the conversation about is more likelihood that you're

785
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: gonna get hit by a car and get really married

786
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: after the age of forty. It's kinda like huh what

787
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: and what she was in her maybe late twenties, early thirties,

788
00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: and you know, like wow, okay, okay, yeah. And there's

789
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about settling because again, they weren't

790
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: in these relationships when these movies start, and they stay

791
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: in them for most of the movie um or at

792
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: least Meg Ryan does in Sleep since Seattle um and

793
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: there there's just a lot of discussion about settling and

794
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, Walter and Sleep is and see how being

795
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be someone somebody settles for,

796
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: which is yeah, pretty nice way for that relationship to

797
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: have ended on Valentine's Day with a nice drink and

798
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: sometime paring on. But don't you know, you don't know

799
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: anybody anything. I will say that. And then I didn't

800
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: want to put in here about the dog because it

801
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: came up a lot, and I thought it was funny

802
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: that people kept saying like, well, the dog humanizes him,

803
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: and you've got mail Joe Fox, uh and he kind

804
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: of uses the dog is uh, you know, dating type material,

805
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: which we've discussed, is still pretty common. You know, I'm

806
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. When I saw pictures of dogs on

807
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: the online dating things, I stopped immediately and looked through,

808
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: just just the double check whether or not, like he

809
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: got us, I got a glance, the dog gets yeah,

810
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: the dog gets you a second glance, just saying I

811
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: love it. Oh I, since we are in law and

812
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: the season, I did want to end on a note

813
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: of capitalism, of course, because and I found more than

814
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: one article about this, so it's not just me reading

815
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: way too deeply into this. Watching You've Got Mail felt

816
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: like if the music had been different and not so

817
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: like cheery, it was a very sad tale about capitalism

818
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: destroying everything, right it really, I mean it really was

819
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: because people talk about the sentiment of being in a

820
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: very small shop, especially you know, dated in New York,

821
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: because they wanted to be that. But then you also, yeah,

822
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: look at you know, Borders at that time was coming

823
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: out in Barns and Noble and killing all of the

824
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: small stores. And we've seen that, we have, but yes,

825
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: but these days Joe Fox's story, the equivalent of like

826
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: Borders or Barnes and Noble would be going under things

827
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: to Amazon thanks to the Internet, the very thing that

828
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: brought him his love everything you level the stream. But

829
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: I did read an article recently, how you know, during

830
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: our time of pandemic, independent bookstores in some cases have

831
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: been making a bit of a comeback. So yeah, it's

832
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: a boutique niche to think that a great sequel to

833
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: You've Got Mailed Joe Fox is out of business and

834
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: it comes back. She comes back because she's a come

835
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: on there now and she can buy it back. But yeah,

836
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, like and you think about re remaking sleep

837
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: Listen Seattle actually has been remade into a musical, which

838
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: the co author Jeff Archer, who the co writer Jeff Archer,

839
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: who helped write Sleep Listen to Seattle, actually and he

840
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: had been thinking about it. I don't know if there is,

841
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: but supposedly there's a book I think, Listen Seattle that

842
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: was written in so I don't know, like he's been

843
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: thinking about this. Apparently he was, and that became a

844
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: big movie. But he has helped co author the musical

845
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: and it was supposed to come out this year, So

846
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the change. Does that happen? Very curious? Yeah,

847
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: but of course it had to be postponed because of

848
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: the pandemic, but it is coming out I think still,

849
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: so we'll have to see the changes in that as well.

850
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: Very very interested. Um. And I will say when I

851
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Speaker 1: was reading interviews with Nora Efron about You've Got Mail, Um,

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Speaker 1: or like box books equivalent is coming in and ruining everything.

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Speaker 1: She was kind of just like, that's how it is.

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Speaker 1: We've got to adapt, okay, I mean okay. Also, there

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Speaker 1: was a very telling interview with the person in charge

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Speaker 1: sure people didn't think she was one of those women

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Speaker 1: who didn't shave her armpits, which I was like, it

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Speaker 1: was like, you can be strong without being too feminist.

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Speaker 1: We don't want you to be one of those feminists. Yes, So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these aren't my type of movies,

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Speaker 1: but I did. I did enjoy them. I really did

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Speaker 1: give you a good chuckle. Yeah yeah. And I you know,

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Speaker 1: I watched Harry about Sally and hearing about Sally to

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Speaker 1: watch for Carrie Fisher primarily, but you know I enjoyed

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Speaker 1: it too. Um. So we hope that if if we

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Speaker 1: gave you a reason to rewatch these or watch them

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Speaker 1: for the first time, that you enjoy them as well.

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Speaker 1: Uh and please let us know your thoughts about them. Please.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, the technology and you've got me all alone

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Speaker 1: is worth it? Um? And and what should we do

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