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Speaker 1: The Quest Left Show is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Quest Left Show. I'm your host Quest Love.

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Speaker 1: As of late on this platform we have shown love

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Speaker 1: to the low end, of course, with so many awesome

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Speaker 1: bass players, and today is no exception. However, you know

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Speaker 1: that we here at this show cannot pass up a

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Speaker 1: good pivot story and we are pleased to welcome a

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Speaker 1: newcomer to the game, a trumpet player from Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: by the way of Melbourne, Australia. His debut album, Hanora

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Speaker 1: is a journey into the world of instrumental interpretations both

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Speaker 1: the jazz, pop, rock, soul ilk covering all spectrums of music. Incidentally,

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Speaker 1: our newcomer is also a Rock and Roll Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame member, shows you how far as journeys come. We

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Speaker 1: like to welcome for the first time mister Michael Peter Balzari,

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Speaker 1: also professionally known as Flea. That's me, that's your name. Okay,

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Speaker 1: nice to meet you, Flee.

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Speaker 2: Nice to meet you.

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Speaker 1: All right, So what is your morning routine the first

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes when you wake up? Do you have a

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Speaker 1: morning routine?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very ritualized morning routine, night routine. I'm a

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Speaker 2: man of many rituals.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I'm glad you said that. Yeah, what's the last

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Speaker 1: because I'm very strict on on night routines. What does

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Speaker 1: the last hour of your day look like when you

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Speaker 1: know you're going to go to.

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Speaker 2: Bed I'm winding down. Yeah, I'm pretty strict about it.

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Speaker 2: First as the the well, whatever music I'm gonna listen

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Speaker 2: to you before bed, which is lately he loved Him

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Speaker 2: Madly by Miles Davis every night, but always something like that.

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Speaker 2: It was revel before that, you know, but I picked

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Speaker 2: the music, brush, teeth, wash face, you know, a little

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Speaker 2: cream or whatever as I get older and trying to

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Speaker 2: like keep things supple. Yes, and then prayers. I'm a

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Speaker 2: praying man, so I pray every morning and every night.

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Speaker 2: And then I read. I always read before bed. I've

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Speaker 2: been you know, since some little boy. I love to read,

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Speaker 2: so I read every day. And that's pretty much it.

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Speaker 1: What is your morning routine?

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Speaker 2: Morning routine is? But once I like I wait, depending

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Speaker 2: on if I have to get up or I have

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Speaker 2: you know, flexible time. But no matter what the things are,

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Speaker 2: I do exercises in bed before I get out of

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Speaker 2: bed every morning, like stretched basically stretches and stuff because

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Speaker 2: my back has gotten damaged before. So I have like

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Speaker 2: things to do because it can settle in a weird

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Speaker 2: way when you're sleeping and you get up all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, you're like, oh, you know, I'm old. So

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Speaker 2: I have like a stretching routine and then you know,

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Speaker 2: ablutions and then prayers and then exercise.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I gotta, I gotta Yeah, I think I told

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Speaker 1: you the story once before.

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Speaker 2: But oh wait, wait there's one crucial other thing too,

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Speaker 2: which is a big rule. Is no phone in the bedroom.

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Speaker 1: No phone in the bedroom, No phone in the.

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Speaker 2: Bedroom, Like what especially when I wake up in the morning,

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Speaker 2: Like those are the magic times, Like you're in that

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Speaker 2: twilight in between sleep and way, that's when good stuff comes.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, good to know where the same person. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I will probably say that you're the first person to

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Speaker 1: seed plant in me the idea of giving gratitude. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna show you how you guys changed and subsequently save

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Speaker 1: the roots without even knowing it. All right, I talked

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Speaker 1: about this story in my first book. So this is

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five. You guys are touring your and

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Speaker 1: your arena status now soccer stadium status. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: familiar with how stadium life is. That basically means you

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Speaker 1: guys are playing anyway between. Some places are seventy thousand,

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Speaker 1: are opening for you guys. So even for us, we

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Speaker 1: just arrived at our tipping point of not just being

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Speaker 1: an underground band and you know, your band's favorite band

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Speaker 1: new level as well. We're doing about a week with

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Speaker 1: you guys. So Night one, I watch you guys, and

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Speaker 1: you do something interesting. You do this magic circle thing

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Speaker 1: where you guys sort of get in the football huddle, right,

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Speaker 1: and then you go to play the music. Night two

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Speaker 2: Do you mean you have a set list? Like you're

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Speaker 1: No, no, I'm looking at your set list. I'm standing by

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Speaker 1: use alive if we're you know. But I was learning

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Speaker 1: to loosen up and hey, guys, do do another sixteen

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Speaker 1: not something that we do. Right, So you do this

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Speaker 2: It was before the show though, right, No, during the show,

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Speaker 2: you would do three songs, all right, see me, I

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Speaker 2: have to I segue a song on like a jay.

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Speaker 1: You would stop a song And then we're talking at

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Speaker 2: Thought you were talking about before the show where we

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Speaker 2: like hold hands in the circle. I got you.

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Speaker 1: No, You're just you're talking about something and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: So I go on the Roots tour bus. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're young and dumb whatever, So I get on. I'm like, yo, man,

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Speaker 1: like what are those guys doing? And he was like,

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Speaker 2: I was like, he's just.

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Speaker 1: Talking about a hippie, dippy shit man, real dismissive of me,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going back to play my my xbox and

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Speaker 1: my manager says, yeah, it makes sense. You know, I

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Speaker 1: can see it. They actually like each other. I was like,

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Speaker 1: mean they actually like each other. He's like, and it's

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Speaker 1: almost about to become the good Fellas. You think I'm

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Speaker 1: as opposed to what? And he looks at me like,

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Speaker 1: come on, dog, I'm like, what you're talking about? Because

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Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, yo, like we were buskers

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Speaker 1: literally day by day like we're here, Like what are

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Speaker 1: matter what. But what you guys think is your friends,

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Speaker 1: like you used to be in high school, y'all don't

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Speaker 1: might show up the sound check, he said, I said,

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Speaker 2: this no matter what, even if someone's a leader and

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Speaker 2: We're professionals. Just do the job. But when we're in

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Speaker 2: those little circles, it's not always hippy dippy fun support.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's that a lot too, Like I just

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Speaker 2: can't fucking hear it. You're too loud, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? Which loud. Sometimes it's complaining, it's all that

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Speaker 2: But sometimes it is just like like this is beautiful,

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Speaker 2: Like we're doing this right here, right now, and you know,

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Speaker 2: our band, we've been through all different you know, emotional states,

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Speaker 2: but like you're talking about you and tyre. Like me

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Speaker 2: and Anthony we met when we were fifteen. We're about

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Speaker 2: like we're street kids. We're running around like we had nothing.

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Speaker 2: We're like like, how we're gonna eat, How we gonna

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Speaker 2: you know, get anything we you know, I came from

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Speaker 2: a very difficult household. There was a lot of violence,

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Speaker 2: matter what, no matter what the professional obligations are, no

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Speaker 2: matter when we piss each other off, there's always and

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Speaker 2: no matter and we hurt each other too, but there's

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Speaker 1: Have you guys ever had a like a I mean,

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Speaker 2: Damn? Not? Really? No, I know what is? I think everything?

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Speaker 2: But I know I had like nightmares. It was always

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Speaker 1: So you can fly, and I'm not like.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're the brilliant tree that fell

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Cannonball, utterly God, wish he were he just

429
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: a preacher.

430
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: It's live a country preacher. Yeah, why my treat is

431
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: so bad?

432
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: I think the country preacher is not the name of it.

433
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but country preacher. So as a kid

434
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: and when I when I was really little, it was different.

435
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: But my stepdad who came to my life when I

436
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: was seven, okay, six or seven, he was a jazz

437
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 2: guy and had a great record collection. But I remember

438
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: hearing that and like thinking, whoa, you know what I mean?

439
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: It really blew my Okay that the Beatles the White album.

440
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: Okay, is that your favorite of the of the Beatles.

441
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: It might be, but it's been it shifts, got it shifts,

442
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, it might be might be my favorite. It

443
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: might be my favorite. But now that I have a

444
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: little boy, like and I play stuff songs that he loves,

445
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: like he loves the Abbey Road stuff, so kind of

446
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,959
Speaker 2: into that little Kid records. I had a Louis Armstrong record.

447
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: Uh satch plays Fats All singing Fat Swaller songs. Okay, Yeah,

448
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: and I really love that Clifford Brown Max Roach that

449
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: Quintet I you know, that was a record as I

450
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: was starting to play trumpet, and you know what I mean, It's.

451
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: Just it's what you said to Clifford Brown.

452
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: That wasn't good enough to shedd it. No. I just

453
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 2: listened to it and knew it was possible. Okay, Yeah,

454
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: still like that, you know, then your last album, what's that?

455
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: Your last album?

456
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Four? Just trying to think of little Kid records

457
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: and I don't want to go too far like Sympathy

458
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: for the Devil the Rolling Stones. Yeah that song?

459
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: And when was that on The Woman with the Bathroom?

460
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: Uh?

461
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: Yes, oh, I beg his.

462
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 2: I have a very distinct I have this distinct memory

463
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: of my step dad. He frowned on rock music, but

464
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: for some reason he had that eight track and we

465
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: put it in and it would play and he would go,

466
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 2: pleased to meet you, won't you guess my name? You

467
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: know he's doing these verses. I've been around civilizations ancient

468
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: and he was like, who's he talking about? Like who's

469
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: he talking about? I was like, I don't know, Like

470
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: I'm okay, like trying to think, like who's he singing about?

471
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: Like who's pleased to meet?

472
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: Who?

473
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: Who's he taught me? And I remember him like, look

474
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: at me going to the devil.

475
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: That's how you met the devil?

476
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

477
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. What was your first job? Well?

478
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: I had many jobs as a kid. I was always,

479
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: you know, knocking on people's doors. I'll mow your lawn,

480
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: I'll take your garbage out. I used to stand in

481
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: the supermarket parking lot asking people to carry their groceries

482
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: to their car, like hoping for a tip. But my

483
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: first actual paying job was a liquor store delivery boy.

484
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: Okay, you were allowed to delivered liquors.

485
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: Sixteen in La Yeah yeah yeah, no I could drive, yeah,

486
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: delivered liquor. So you were the original and drank plenty

487
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: of it.

488
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the original uber eats Okay yeah yeah, uh huh okay.

489
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: So sort of expansion of the question before what album

490
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: single handedly changed your life?

491
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: It has to be one.

492
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: This can also be your album whatever. But like, if

493
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: there's an album that literally changed the trajectory of your life.

494
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: I have to say, it's the record Gi by the Germs.

495
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: What was it about it?

496
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: It's a well, it's a very like wild punk rock album.

497
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: Singing on it just goes wow, you know what I mean?

498
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: Like he But what it was about it is so

499
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: I grew up loving Miles Davis, loving my Vish New Orchestra.

500
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: When I got into rock music, it was all about

501
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendrix. It was all about the great, great players.

502
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: You know, this is a music that was everything to me.

503
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: And I looked at music as like your ability to

504
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: play masterfully and and groove too, of course, you know

505
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I understood the importance of you know,

506
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: p funk and groove. But when I heard the germs,

507
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: it was the first time what hit home to me,

508
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: and it was huge. It was, here's this music, Like

509
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: the musician ship is very few tools, you know what

510
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean. It's relative. You know, the songs are really good,

511
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: and I think the playing is great harmonically melodically, it's

512
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: relatively remedial and simple and destroyed it and a mess

513
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. But I remember, like laying back

514
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: listening to headphones, just like being taken away by it,

515
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: like into this real beautiful, cosmic place, and I just

516
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: remember thinking, like, it doesn't matter how good you play.

517
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: It was like everything is motivation and intent, and you

518
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: come from all people come from all different cultures, they

519
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: have all different you know what I mean. Abilities, But

520
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: if you have the right of motivation, the intent, and

521
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: the passion to express your story with what you've got

522
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: and what you know, it is the most valuable thing

523
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: in the world. And it just awakened in me a

524
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: thing beyond music as a way to approach music, you know,

525
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: like storytelling and just how important it is for us

526
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: to tell our stories. And I think we're thinking of

527
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: that about that a lot lately now, too, Like people

528
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: are angry, you know, they're angry about oppression in the

529
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: world and hypocrisy and cruelty and all this stuff. And

530
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: I get it, you know, I'm angry too, Like there's

531
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: all this shit going on, But how important it is

532
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: to just let go of our anger and invest in

533
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: beautiful things of Like like I was at the Vanguard

534
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: the other night seeing Marquis Hill playing with Junius Paul

535
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: Mchaya mccraven, like these guys throwing down in a way

536
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: and playing the Vanguard. Little place, beautiful place, you know,

537
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: historical place. But like, how more than ever, as you know,

538
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: whatever protests or you know, big picture things that are

539
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: really important to just invest our time and energy and

540
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 2: people making beautiful things and put our energy into that,

541
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 2: to support that, to be a part of it, to

542
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: do what we can, to tell our stories in whichever

543
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: way we have to tell them and anyway. So that

544
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: record really awakened in me. That And at the same time,

545
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: I was reading a biography of Bob Marley and I

546
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: can't remember who wrote it was, you know, this is

547
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: in the early eighties, and he talked about that about

548
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 2: like motivation, what motivates you in the purity of your

549
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: intent being everything. You know, He's like, I don't care

550
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: about a reggae. It's my where I'm from, it's what

551
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: I do, but everything is where my heart is at.

552
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: And as well as like and this is something as

553
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: you know, I'm always learning from like Coltrane. Recently I

554
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: read a quote by him talking about like your music

555
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: can only be as good as you are as a person,

556
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, and that really hit home to me, like yeah, yeah,

557
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, period, you know what I mean, And

558
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: it maybe just want to be like all the like

559
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: the ways that I can fuck up, you know what

560
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: I mean, and be dishonest or manipulative or not a

561
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: good husband or not a good father or not a

562
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like the more that you

563
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: can walk with your truth and your honesty and your

564
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: you know, your clarity and be at ease with yourself

565
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: as being the best person that you can be, the

566
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: better you can be as a player, you know what

567
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: I mean. And now like take for me, like trying

568
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: to take on these you know, fill a new place musically,

569
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: really working on my horn playing and you know, doing

570
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: your stuff and just more than ever, like man, there's

571
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: no heiden, there's no you know what I mean, Like,

572
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: all we got is what we got.

573
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, damn I gotta question my entire life

574
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: after that too.

575
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: I'm with you, you know what I mean, Like that

576
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: culturing thing was just like damn.

577
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: You're of age and you are a result kind of

578
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: a byproduct of the first wave of the punk movement.

579
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: You were fifteen years old nineteen seventy seven, So I

580
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: know the effect of the events that happened in New

581
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: York in nineteen seventy seven, the punk movement, underground disco,

582
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: even the sort of elitist studio fifty four atmosphere, the

583
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: Blackout happening, thus giving birth to hip hop culture based

584
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: on all the Turntaine acquired doing that those two nights.

585
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: What was happening in LA in nineteen seventy seven. I

586
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: know there's you know, and I often hear bands like

587
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: X or whatever. But like, in nineteen seventy seven, was

588
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: punk's movement immediate as it was in New York or

589
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: was it sort of like hip hop where it took

590
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: maybe like a year and a half to really like

591
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: migrate to California for you guys to get enlightened.

592
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, LA had its own scene okay, And I confess

593
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: that I'm l I was on a late fraight, like

594
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: I didn't really get into punk, and like when I

595
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: was got in my germs, I joined Fear, like the

596
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: band like that was like eighty two eighty one, and

597
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: before that, like I was, I was in the Hendrix,

598
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: you know. But I got to know, you know, shortly

599
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: after the birth of it, all the luminaries of the

600
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: LA punk scene, and we had really great bands, like

601
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: the Weirdos were incredible, the Weirdos, the screamers who are

602
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: experimenting with like synse and electro sounds in punk. There

603
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: was just ever and I would go out and see

604
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: all kinds of weird bands like and I think probably

605
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: like New York in a way where and it's something

606
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: that I really miss and I'm so grateful to have

607
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: had the opportunities that like from like when I met Anthony,

608
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: we're like fifteen. It was like every single night we're

609
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: trying to get into a club to see a band,

610
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: and we didn't whatever it was, you know what I mean.

611
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: And we see some weird heavy metal band, some like

612
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: Sunset Strip hair metal band, some you know, dirty punk band,

613
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: some arty band, some like African influence bands, some electro band.

614
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: It was just relentless, Like every night there were clubs

615
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: all over the city full of music. You could get

616
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: down to the Parisian Room and see Freddie Hubbard, and

617
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: then you could go to the Starwood and see you know,

618
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: the suburban lawns, you know what I mean. Like there

619
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: was just so much already weird underground music happening.

620
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: You know. Was it typical to have that expanse of

621
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: a vocabulary as you did, Like, Hey, I'm just as

622
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 1: excited to see p Funk and those guys as I

623
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: am to see you know whatever other things happening. Like you,

624
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: you seem to have a wide open palate, which to

625
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: me is very hip hop.

626
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, for me, take everything, It's always been like

627
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: that for me, Like anything I'd love was never to

628
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: the exclusion of anything else. Right, And no, it was

629
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: not common at all, Like people I knew from each

630
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: thing always did mostly didn't like the other thing. But

631
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: for me, and it's kind of like what I spoke

632
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: to earlier when I was a kid, Like when I

633
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: saw my stepdad playing jazz and I got into his

634
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: jazz records and I was mind blown by this level

635
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: of musicianship. I still love the Beatles, and it was

636
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: the same to me, like when if I listened to

637
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: Charlie Parker and I listened to the Beatles, it was

638
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: just music. Like I didn't. I never separated it out,

639
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: and I feel so lucky for that and was always

640
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: grateful for all of it. But I confess that it

641
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: wasn't That's why I mentioned that Germs record. It wasn't

642
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: really until right around then when I opened my mind

643
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: enough to really see the beauty in that, you know

644
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: what I mean. I knew there was something about it,

645
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: like I'd go out to punk shows, but it was scary.

646
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 2: It was violent, man. It was like ambulances out front,

647
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: people getting beat up, the cops waiting with night sticks

648
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: out in front of the show, come out bam, slamming

649
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: on people. I remember being a forty five Grave show

650
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: to Anti Club on Melrose. Literally walked out boom, cops

651
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: on here with night sticks like run it, you know

652
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like it was just happened, like it

653
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: became a threat. It was like there's gonna be riots,

654
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a problem. The cops were just outside

655
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: the show waiting and uh. And also I'm within it too,

656
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 2: like you had the wrong haircut, you ten guys stumping

657
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: the shit out of somebody, like terrifying.

658
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: See you only thought, okay, so for New York, that

659
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: club would have been the Latin Quarter.

660
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

661
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: And during this period, like, yeah, that is such a

662
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: renaissance happening with one night you're hearing Boogie Down Productions,

663
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: next night's Ault Magnetic next night. It's it's like literally

664
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: your life is being changed week after week with a

665
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: classic records, like you're hearing Rebel without a pause for

666
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: the first time.

667
00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

668
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: But it's also like you might die tonight. Yeah, And

669
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: I keep asking people to come on and still like

670
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: so you knowing that you're risking your life just to

671
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: get your mind blown by a four minute song and

672
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: you might not sit. And they were like it was

673
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: so worth it that dying wasn't even an option, Like

674
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: you just felt so for you, it was.

675
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: Just like had to go. I wanted to be where

676
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: it was. You know, one of my favorite writers, Yukio Mishima,

677
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: great great writer, and he you know, at this crazy

678
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: ending in his life where he he was like revered

679
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: as like the Shakespeare of Japan, like this great writer

680
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: then it became like the severe hardcore right wing nationalist

681
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: dude who like kind of gathered his own army together

682
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: and they would march around, you know what I mean,

683
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: like doing this thing. There's a great Schrader movie about him.

684
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever saw it, called Michie

685
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: mats Great. But at the end of his life he

686
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: went and like took the head of the Japanese military hostage.

687
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: It made him assemble the troops where he gave this

688
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: big speech like Japan has to come back to you know,

689
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: it's nationalist values. And then boom, Harry carried himself. It

690
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: was on the news like it happened, and I think

691
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 2: he killed the general guy, like they took the sword

692
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: to him as followers like this crazy guy. I mean

693
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: he really you know. But something he said, and it

694
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: kind of speaks to the way he went out, is

695
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: that there are very rare times in life when art

696
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: and action come together, and when those things come together,

697
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: it's everything. And I didn't know that at the time,

698
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: but it was that feeling you're talking about, like you're

699
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: going out to the music. There's physical danger, you know

700
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: what I mean, for whatever the reason is, and you're

701
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: alive man in that moment, you know, and it's when

702
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: art and action it's like these two things for you.

703
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: Is danger a necessary element?

704
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like in most situations, I think like

705
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: that kind of danger where it's like people having fun.

706
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: I was at a punk rock show a couple of

707
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: weeks ago, like a kid I knew since he was

708
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: born as a punk band. The mainliners went to see

709
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: him play. You know, they're slamming, moshing like crazy troubadoor

710
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: all a fight breaks out, like you got really at

711
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: the Troubador at the troubadoor a punk show. Yeah, punk show,

712
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 2: full on punk show.

713
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: Goddamn, Okay, yeah they do it.

714
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: They do it and fight breaks out and like it.

715
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: And I'm like in the balcony above, like right right,

716
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: they're like punching the fuck out of each other and

717
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 2: like you feel like you see a few different groups

718
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: kind of square off and like, oh, it could become

719
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: way bigger and it didn't, but you know, security ran in.

720
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: But but that feeling, I don't know. I mean usually

721
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: for me, like when I was at the punk shows,

722
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: like and I would to see Black Flag or Circle

723
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: Jerks or different hardcore shows, and it would be really violent.

724
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: Like there was this club in the star Wood in Hollywood.

725
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: I live right down the corner from it, and I'd

726
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: always try to get in. It was the whole thing.

727
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: You either just like go to hang out in the

728
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: parking lot or get in if you can, you know,

729
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: and it would be so fun. But to me, honestly,

730
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: like it felt ugly, like it didn't really feel like

731
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: I was like because there was a lot of times

732
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: there's like these jock kids, you know what I mean,

733
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: Like they don't even you don't love this music. You

734
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: don't like you're wearing your anarchy button? What is anarchy?

735
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: What does that mean? You know what I mean? Like

736
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: it's just another pissed off kid, Like you're a bully

737
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: in school and now you're trying to do this bullshit

738
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: here right, like you know what I mean. Like to me,

739
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: like the music was all it's like, it's beautiful, Like

740
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: I get the cop thing when that happened, that was

741
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: really scary because I was like, you know that was

742
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: riot police on horse with sticks.

743
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: You know, what do you consider the bracket like if

744
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: it started in seventy seven?

745
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, how was it.

746
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: Safe to see?

747
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: I feel like then in seventy seven it was it

748
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: was way more safe like that was there was super

749
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: arty and underground before. Yeah, this is after, like I'm

750
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: saying because I'm late, right, I'm going like in nineteen eighty,

751
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, you know what I mean, And seventy

752
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: seven it was like all these bands like I mentioned,

753
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: like Weirdo, screamers, germs. There was like underground and it

754
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: was people in the know, and it was really about

755
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: like they're making their own clothes and they love Captain

756
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: Beefheart and they love you know what I mean, Phyroh Sanders,

757
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: they love all kinds of weird shit and they're just

758
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: being weird, you know what I mean. Making like it

759
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: was to them was like Artie and and yeah it

760
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: was angry and I had that rhythm and the dancing

761
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: was crazy and all that shit, But it wasn't like

762
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: there wasn't that meanness to it. It was like later on,

763
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: like around Black Flag time, it was like this the

764
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: South Bay La this very it just got ugly and territorial.

765
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: They were like there was gangs involved, you know, and

766
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: like suicidal guys and stuff like suicidal tendencies. There was

767
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: like you know, it was violent brass knuckles, and you know,

768
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: I just like, like, not for.

769
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: Me going there with the intent of stopping someone.

770
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that just I didn't like it. I think

771
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: the element of what you're talking about, like that's fun

772
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: and passion getting out of hand, gotcha, you know what

773
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, and I'm that I love but when

774
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: it got like it just fell small and diminishing of

775
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: the beauty of it.

776
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: For artistic value, which band of that entire period would

777
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: you just say the ultimate like there will never be.

778
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: Like a punk rock the whole time from because it shifts?

779
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: All right? Give me three just bands that like just

780
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: you when they're in amazement you learned something or you

781
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: so many? Were you going there for artistic value?

782
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: Yes, far i'saw all I cared about. I wanted to

783
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: hear like weird rhythms and different ideas and be excited.

784
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: You know, who's the most intricate band?

785
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: Fugazi? Okay, kind of later, but Fugazi?

786
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: Who was the best like leader, like the front man.

787
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 2: It's like I'm trying to really know what's really good

788
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: questions like like like Black Flag was so great. I

789
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: think of Greg ginn as being the leader, you know,

790
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: what I mean. I think it was always he was

791
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: the hub of this thing that everyone went around, you know,

792
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: the guitar player, right man, I you know I loved

793
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: the weirdos, love the weirdos, excitement, so many great songs. Yeah,

794
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: the answer is it's very difficult for me to answer.

795
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm not doing well.

796
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: All right, one more? Okay, what band should have made it?

797
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: And I trust me as an artist, I know self

798
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: sabotage and all that stuff. It's not just like oh

799
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: we had a hit or or the right manager or whatever.

800
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 2: But what band out of the puncture?

801
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, if there were justice in this world, like who

802
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: would have been like primed for you bragged about him

803
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: and they just couldn't.

804
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, just stay with the weirdos. So many I just

805
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: don't think they got it right on tape, you know

806
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: what I mean. They didn't get it right on tape.

807
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: They had like everything like they were like you know,

808
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: Blondie opened up for them, like it was like they

809
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: were just they were so good and so entertaining and

810
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: so original and so many good songs.

811
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, the trumpet, yes, sir? What was the straw

812
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: that broke the Camel's back? That stopped you from stalling.

813
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 1: Because the thing was when I was watching you play

814
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: last night, yeah, I was like, wait, you know, I've

815
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: read the book and I was like, well he has chops,

816
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: Like this could have been a thing.

817
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of wanted it to be a thing when

818
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: I was a kid.

819
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: As long as it's hiatus, isn't the time in between records?

820
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: I know it's touring for two three years or whatever.

821
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: But what were the steps that finally made you complete

822
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: that circle? Yeah?

823
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: Well I'm still working on a circle. But a big

824
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: thing was I mean, it was just the dream had

825
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: always been alive in me since I was a little boy,

826
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: and I fell in love and to a point of

827
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: not just in music, but like romanticizing my heroes. You know,

828
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: Miles and Clifford Brown and Morgan's common law wife shot

829
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: him on stage, like all these stories. Clifford Brown like

830
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: getting in a car accident and dying when he's twenty three.

831
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: I think, you know, these guys that were such heroes

832
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: to me. And then you know, I start playing bass

833
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: Chili Peppers ended up doing what they did and all

834
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: this stuff, and occasionally I'd pick it up and play

835
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: it a little bit, but I think it was just

836
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: always something like once in a while, I'd kind of

837
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: start with the intent of doing what I'm working on

838
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: doing now, and I'd either get busy or I'd get

839
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: I'd just stop whatever. I'd get frustrated, I didn't know

840
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: how to go about it right. I would mess up

841
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: my lip. And I think it's about a thing that

842
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: really awakened it in me again was when Camasi put

843
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: out his record to Epic, And for a long time

844
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: I had been feeling jazz music. And I know that

845
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. I know I just didn't hear the right shit,

846
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: but I had the stuff I had been hearing. It

847
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: would be impressive, but it was kind of leaving me cold.

848
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: You know. I wasn't filling the spirit of the records

849
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: that I love from the fifties, sixties, even the early seventies,

850
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: you know. And when I heard Kamasi's record, I was like,

851
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: that's that feeling of the street, that revolutionary spirit, that spirituality,

852
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: that togetherness that I want, you know, and it was

853
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: really inspiring to me. And you know, Thundercat too, and

854
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: I just I was like, man, I really you know,

855
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: when I was a kid and my stepdad would have

856
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: these guys over and they'd play standards and play bebop

857
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 2: and throw down. It was always like, in my head,

858
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: that's like the high point, and like my dream is

859
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: to be able to sit in with any jazz dudes

860
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: and just throw down on the horn, you know. And

861
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: and when I started seeing these guys play and also

862
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: in a way that wasn't elitist, like I think one

863
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: of the things that I really relate to them about

864
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 2: is they're embracing all of music. Like the jazz guys

865
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: that I grew up with, they really look down on rock,

866
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: they look down on pop music. You know. They were

867
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: just like this, like they can't play this is about

868
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: like haircuts and fashion, like they don't know the shit,

869
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: they can't blow changes, you know. And then seeing this

870
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: new generation that you can tell they embrace hip hop,

871
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: they embrace youth culture. They it's all RELI it's all

872
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: beautiful to them, yes, you know, And and there just

873
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: really inspired me and it made me I was like,

874
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: if I'm ever gonna do live that dream that I

875
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: wanted to live, I gotta do it now. Like you

876
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I'm getting older and so I

877
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: just you know, I'm pretty good at making commitments to

878
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: myself and sticking at them. And I made a commitment

879
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: like I'm going to play trumpet every day no matter

880
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: what for two years. At the end of two years,

881
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna to make a record plan trumpet.

882
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: How many hours do you practice as much.

883
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: As I can till my lift gives out? Like two?

884
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah you mentioned it. So like, what is the

885
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: typical atmosphere at a Walter Urban junior living room? Jam sessions?

886
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, so this is New York and

887
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 2: like nineteen seventy okay, sixty nine seventy.

888
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: In an apartment.

889
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: No, no, house in Larchmont.

890
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I was going to say, like my first question

891
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: was like, what are your neighbors saying? It was a

892
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: nightmare on my neighbors.

893
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So house in Larchmont, New York, and people come over,

894
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: my mom's made food, barbecue, going, food happening, were over,

895
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: They're drinking, smoking weed, setting up, and then they just

896
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: you know, Cherokee, let's go. You know that's fast. You know.

897
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: I was going to says, yeah, no, they're serious. I mean,

898
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: you know, as a little kid, you know what I mean, Like,

899
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: I don't like if I saw them. Now, I don't

900
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: really know, but as a little kid, they were the

901
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 2: greatest musicians I ever saw in my life, and I

902
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it, you know what I mean. It

903
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: was just like the house filled up with music, and

904
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 2: you know, you have those moments when you're a kid

905
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: and it's like people can do that. And I, you know,

906
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: I'd yet to play anything yet, and I was seeing

907
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: them play this music and it was so wild, and

908
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: it just seemed magical to me, like literally like magic,

909
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: like Harry Potter's style, you know what I mean, I'm

910
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: gonna make an owl appear, and you know what I mean,

911
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: It was like that feeling. And I just remember everyone

912
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: and it was open for me in a lot of

913
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 2: ways too, like racially, you know what I mean. Like

914
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: I hadn't really hung out with black people before, right

915
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: and all. Now I'm a little kid and my stepdad's

916
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: friends are mostly black, and all these guys are coming

917
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: over and they're playing and I didn't like, adults were

918
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: just weird to me, flat out, you know what I mean.

919
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, there's these people and they're

920
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: hanging with me, they're joking with me, they're talking to me.

921
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: They're asked me, like, do you play an instrument? Do

922
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: you want to play an instrument? Like they're like I existed,

923
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: I was being seen and it was you know, all

924
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 2: of it, Like it was just it was good, man.

925
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: They were so healthy, so grateful for that.

926
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: What non musical talent do you also possess?

927
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: I had a pretty good jump shot. I have a

928
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: pretty good jump. I'll a basketball, man, Yeah, I love it.

929
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: I've always played, but I was never very good. I

930
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: never really learned properly. Like I was like, you know,

931
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: street ball growing up every day. But during the pandemic,

932
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:31,479
Speaker 2: I got a shooting coach, the lethal shooter. Yeah, yeah, man, yeah,

933
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: and he came over and he was like, we're gonna

934
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: get you right, and every day, every day shooting shooting, shooting.

935
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: I learned proper form for the first time, and I'm

936
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: always nurturing it, working on it and other skills. I

937
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm I mean, like you, I like writing

938
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: a lot, you know what I mean, and sitting down

939
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: and taking pen to paper and just the whole literature

940
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: world for me is a huge part of my life.

941
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: Like I said, I read every day, always studying writers

942
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: and being transported by that, and so I don't I

943
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: can't really speak of it as I guess it's a skill.

944
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: But I just think of the things that I'm always

945
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: working on, that I always care about, you know.

946
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: I was going to say, especially with musicians and basketball

947
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: and having toured with the Beastie Boys for good two

948
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: years and whatnot, I see like games or whatever like

949
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: then versus other at your most extreme physical state, would

950
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: you often do pick up games with other artists. I'm

951
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: only asking this because I finally after hearing all the

952
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: folklore of Prince as a basketball player, like I've seen

953
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 1: actual footage he can really playing. He was amazing. Wow,

954
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: Like it has one of is the just the determination

955
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: to he knows you're underestimating him. But literally just on

956
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: some iverson like it will just come to a crowd

957
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: of whatever, it'll go in.

958
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, wow.

959
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: How serious were you?

960
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I don't know, you have like a

961
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: much No oh no, never, I mean on tour it's

962
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: for me, it's like just touring itself take so much energy.

963
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: But now I do you know, Like now I bring

964
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: a ball everywhere I go and any day off, for

965
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 2: any time, I just go to a park and shoot around.

966
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: I just kind of get my head right, got yeah.

967
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 2: But my highlight of my basketball career is they used

968
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: to have that MTV Rocking Jock Rocket. I was on

969
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: Rock and Jacket and I hit the shot to win

970
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: the game with an assist from Mitch Richmond, and then

971
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: I won the three point shoot off. I hit like

972
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: eleven in a row or some ship, and that was

973
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: my moment of glory. I've watched those yeh yeah, that

974
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: was my moment of glory. But I'm better now since

975
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: the lethal Shooter.

976
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, yeah, got you tell me the

977
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: process of bringing your band together for this specific project.

978
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: Well, initially, when I was getting ready to make the record, I.

979
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: And Ricky Washington Is Yeah, Ricky, yeah, Ricky.

980
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: I was studying with Ricky. Ricky is Camassi's father who

981
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: taught Kamasi and Thundercat Taris Martin. You know, yeah, yeah,

982
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 2: that whole crew. Yeah yeah, yeah, that crew. Well, he

983
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: and this guy Reggie Andrews.

984
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: Too, Ressie Andrews from the Dazz band.

985
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah yeah, and he was at the music

986
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: teacher at Locke High School. Okay, and you know it's

987
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: a renowned you know teacher But anyways, I was making

988
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: demos at home and I have an eight to oh

989
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: eight some sinse you know, baking beats playing bass keyboys

990
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: played trumpet melody over it, and it was sounding kind

991
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: of cool and you know, real raw, but it had

992
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: had a thing to it, and I was kind of thinking,

993
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: I'll just do that. And I was kind of on

994
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: the fence, like do I get musicians or not? And

995
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: I was listening a lot to I met Jeff Parker

996
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: because our kids were going to school together, the guitarist

997
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: Jeff Parker, and uh, he put out a record called

998
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: The Way Out of Easy with with that with this

999
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: band with Anna Butter's and Jay Bellerose and Josh Johnson,

1000
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: and I really loved, like I'd love that record. And

1001
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: at the same time, kind of coincidentally, I was listening

1002
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: to Michelle and Digiocello the Omnichord Real Book. It's a

1003
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 2: great fucking album. Yeah, it's a great album.

1004
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: Man.

1005
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: You know you said that's a great album, right, And

1006
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: so I'm listening to that album and I really like

1007
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: Deantony's playing on that de Antony parks yes. And then

1008
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: and I'd met Josh Johnson before because I'm a last

1009
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: Chili Pepper record. We wanted to put some horns on

1010
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: a tune and my friend Nate Walcott knew him Josh

1011
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 2: trump bumperal named Victim. Nate played trumpet and we all

1012
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 2: came and I played. I was just starting to kind

1013
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: of it was one of those times I got the

1014
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: trumpe together for like a few weeks before I put

1015
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: it down again, and we all played together on the record,

1016
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: and I was really blown away by Josh, like his

1017
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: he blew a couple of solos for us that were

1018
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: so musical, like you know, someone just starts playing and

1019
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: you just like pay attention, Like it's that he was

1020
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: so good the way he worked with time and melody.

1021
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: And and then I was listening to Omnichord Real Book

1022
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: for like the tenth time, and I finally I saw

1023
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: produced by Josh Johnson, and I was like, oh damn,

1024
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: and that record is like well made. It's really holistically

1025
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: a good record. And so then I just like got

1026
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: to inklaying, Oh, I'm gonna play with other musicians. I'm

1027
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: gonna ask Josh to produce it. He knows these other musicians.

1028
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask Like I had the people of mine.

1029
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want de'antony, I want Jeff, I want Anna,

1030
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 2: and he came over and heard my stuff. I said,

1031
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: you think you know they would do it? And he

1032
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: asked them all they all said yes, and that was

1033
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: kind of it, you know, and I couldn't be more grateful,

1034
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: you know, Like when we showed up in the studio,

1035
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: I was definitely, you know, some hesitance on my part,

1036
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: just like, wow, they're such good jazz musicians and I

1037
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: don't know shit. You know, I'm working on it, but

1038
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: you know, they know how to try to touch hearts.

1039
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: And I had my structures and the shit that I

1040
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: had written, and we got together on the first day.

1041
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: I'd never played with anyone before, and from from the

1042
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: first downbeat, it just felt beautiful, like they're just all

1043
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: so sensitiven't connected, and we just you know, just improvising, playing,

1044
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: you know, playing like I had, like I'd played the

1045
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: demo and I was like, this is the vibe. If

1046
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: there's you know, certain chord changes or a melody, but

1047
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: mostly improvisation.

1048
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: How many takes of each song would you go through

1049
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: before you decided.

1050
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: Depended somewhere first take, somewhere like.

1051
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: Two or three, gotcha.

1052
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there might have been the I think where I

1053
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: struggled the most. Sometimes there are a couple of tunes

1054
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: and I don't think any of them actually on this

1055
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: record I made. I recorded a lot where I struggled

1056
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 2: with the trumpet a little bit, like I blow a

1057
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: solo and I'd be like, no, do it again. But

1058
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I kept, you know,

1059
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: being insecure about my trumpet playing and maybe overthinking it.

1060
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: Were you allowed to punch in or.

1061
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I played bass show, I'd overdubbed my trumpet.

1062
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.

1063
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1064
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: Another collaborative of yours that's on this album is Tom Yorke. Yeah,

1065
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: I've seen you guys do shows together. Now, talk about

1066
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: how that relationship started, like how did you.

1067
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: We just became friends, going to each other's show and meeting,

1068
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: and he.

1069
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: Would come to Chili Beverer.

1070
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, believe it or not, New York.

1071
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: He's just like us.

1072
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he was into it. You know, he was

1073
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 2: into it, and he would come and hang out and talk,

1074
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 2: and you know, I think there was something about it that,

1075
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: as he going into all different kinds of music, he

1076
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: saw that he thought was beautiful and then he made

1077
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: that record, The Eraser, and I love that album. It's

1078
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: a great album, and I told him so. And then

1079
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: he was getting ready to do a tour for it,

1080
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: and he called me and asked me to.

1081
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: Play, you know, and so that's how it came to be.

1082
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's how it came to be. And then

1083
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 2: we ended up making you know that album after and touring,

1084
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: doing like two different tours through the States and Europe,

1085
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: and yeah, just built a friends, two of those.

1086
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: I want to see more of that.

1087
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, super fun.

1088
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: Which person in your life keeps you in check?

1089
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: My wife of course? Time?

1090
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: Wait exactly, I mean I totally forgot that I know her.

1091
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, I mean, you know Mel before I know Mal.

1092
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: I know a part of Mel that I don't even

1093
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: know because I just know with me Mal, dude, like

1094
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 2: you know Mal from before.

1095
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: I couldnot be happier that more that two people have

1096
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: found each other, and especially with her, like you know,

1097
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: because a lot of us tend to reach the end

1098
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: of our rope and give up on you know, like

1099
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: she was almost at that place. And when she she

1100
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: kept you secret for like a year.

1101
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 2: You know, It's funny. Well I met her and I

1102
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: was at the end of my rope. Like I was like,

1103
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 2: I'm gonna suffer and have pain. That's it, ruin it

1104
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: and I'm not worthy and I'm you know what I

1105
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: mean and anything. And I was just like and I

1106
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 2: make this woman and she's just, you know, this glowing thing.

1107
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: But when I first met her, you know, we got

1108
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 2: together and romance ensued and I was just head over

1109
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: heels and above and you know, and early on, like

1110
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: right after met her, I got her. There's a Melina

1111
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: Matsukus director and Lena Wait, the writer and actor. Milina's

1112
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: making this movie and Lena making this movie called Queen Slim.

1113
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: I got the script in the mail, and you know,

1114
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: my agent, these people are interested in you acting in

1115
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: this film. I readscript. I'm like, wow, this is an

1116
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: important movie. I would love to be a part of this.

1117
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: And you know, just right when I first started seeing mail,

1118
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: and she comes over and I'm like, talking to you,

1119
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: I got the script in the mail. Looks really cool

1120
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, oh shit, when are you meeting

1121
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: with them? And I was like tomorrow and she's like,

1122
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: do not, Like that's my best friend, Like it's her people,

1123
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: you know, what I mean, her best friends, and she's like,

1124
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: do not mention Malina. Can't you know what I mean,

1125
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: She's gonna tell everybody. I don't want anyone to know.

1126
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: Don't tell anyone, Like, we gotta keep this, We got

1127
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: to protect this and keep it quiet, you know. So

1128
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: I went like, you know, I sitting there with Molina

1129
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: and like you know when you go to a movie

1130
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: audition all if you've ever done it, it's like it's

1131
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: nerve wracking. It's like the only time, like music, you

1132
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: don't only do that, Like you walk into the room,

1133
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: You're like, am I good enough? Like do I look right? Am?

1134
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: I am? I? Do I have a witty repartee? You

1135
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like I got tons up every time? Right?

1136
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: And this is how I'm thinking. I'm like, you know,

1137
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm sleeping with your best friend. Like in my head,

1138
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: it was so so funny. Yeah, So, just in terms

1139
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: of her not telling anybody, if.

1140
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: Mel possesses this gift, when she laughs, Mel has for

1141
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: and I think it's for me only. Yeah, Mel has

1142
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: a laugh similar to Nelson on The Simpsons.

1143
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: And I never together.

1144
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: It triggers me. Now you're doing it. Wait? Wait, so

1145
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: when I.

1146
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: Hear you picturing her.

1147
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: It's so true.

1148
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: I never clocked it.

1149
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: When I hear that laugh, it instantly takes me to

1150
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: second grade, when, like I think in second grade was

1151
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: the one year in which I was the only boy

1152
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: in a school with seventeen girls. Yeah, so if anything

1153
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: I would trip or something whenever like that, like it

1154
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: would just trigger me. And I asked the asked her once.

1155
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: I was like, is that your natural laugh? Or like

1156
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: do you have another laugh you could do? And you

1157
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: could do for me because and then once I let

1158
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: the cat out of the bag that you laughed just

1159
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: like the girls in second grade? Yeah, And I was like,

1160
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: I know that's and then she really let her on.

1161
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: So when she comes to game nights or whatever, it's

1162
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: like I was like, stop that, okay, fine. I also

1163
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: want to talk about plea because here's the thing. We

1164
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: live in a time in which I know it's expected

1165
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: for artists to art, you know, and whatnot, and oftentimes,

1166
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: like I could tell who's like, all right, I'm gonna

1167
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: come up with the anthem, Like everyone dreams of that

1168
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: whole Like I want to teach, and then an anthem

1169
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: gets chosen that you don't like, no one saw Kendrick

1170
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: Lamar's alright, as like, okay, this is our official anthem

1171
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: because everyone else had the stand up at fight or

1172
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: like they had their anthems slogan right, and the thing

1173
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: A plea kind of snuck on me and I love

1174
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: the energy that it gives. So, like cand you talk

1175
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: about just the process and the decision to really kind

1176
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: of capture the angst that some of us feel.

1177
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't really say that I had a decision

1178
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: in that way. I was just saying how I felt, right.

1179
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: No, No, it felt very organic.

1180
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just organic. I thought it was just and

1181
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: I think you know, it started off like kind of

1182
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: every song it has vocal on my record. I had

1183
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: never intended for there to be a vocal, okay, And

1184
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: it started off there's this and you know the Fool

1185
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: Sanders record Black Unity. Yes, so I wanted to do

1186
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: something like that, Okay, Like I was very inspired by

1187
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: that sign of Cecil McBee and Stanley Clark double bass

1188
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: like throwing down. And but then when we got in

1189
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: started playing, it just felt more kind of more organized

1190
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: than the Faro Sanders tune and we're playing I did it,

1191
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: and then I just like had this. I just had

1192
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: this idea of having different sections that shifted from like

1193
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 2: an anger and a resolution, you know what I mean,

1194
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: or you know, the tension and release that we always

1195
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: want on the arc of a story. And I started

1196
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: thinking about, like, you know, the worst case in the

1197
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: scenario and everything that's happening is like civil war, right,

1198
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: Like that's like the worst case scenario of the divisiveness

1199
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: that's happening. And I started and I started thinking about,

1200
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 2: like what is this and what's the best outcome? You

1201
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Is the thing like we're all

1202
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: all striving for is peace and harmony and togetherness, you know.

1203
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: So I and at the same time feeling you know,

1204
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: you go on online on Instagram or whatever, and it's

1205
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 2: just constant, like someone makes a political stand about something,

1206
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, and it might be a right, something I

1207
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: agree with someone's I don't view whatever it is, but

1208
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: it's always you're preaching to the converted or you're saying

1209
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: fuck the converted, you know what I mean, And it's

1210
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: just back and forth. It goes nowhere. And even though

1211
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: the people I agree with, you know, on occasion, can

1212
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: be heartwarming, you know, But when I say, like on

1213
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: the songs like I don't care about your politics. I

1214
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: don't want to hear about your fucking politics. It's not

1215
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: like like I care deeply about the issues, you know

1216
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 2: what I mean, It's issues that mean everything to me.

1217
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: But I just like the way that the forum has

1218
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: evolved is just into this bickering thing that feels like

1219
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: to me only enhances divisiveness. And I just I don't know.

1220
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 2: It was just everything about it was so you know,

1221
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 2: wanting to do it in like, you know, kind of

1222
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 2: different sections, but just like just sprawled it out and

1223
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: did it, you know, just wanting to be organic to

1224
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: how I feel to express myself. I didn't there was

1225
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: nothing beyond that.

1226
01:02:53,800 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: I would be remiss if I don't ask this question

1227
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: for bass heads out there. Yeah, what are your three

1228
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: most treasured bases? How many bases do you own? You know,

1229
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get rid of them because they're too

1230
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: many stories Union time.

1231
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in the house, but it's like it's dumb,

1232
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like twenty basses or something.

1233
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: It's still it's a lot. And yeah, but it's I

1234
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: need one, you know what I mean. I don't play

1235
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: a five string. I play a regular four string bass.

1236
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: I mean my main, my real baby, my main one

1237
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: is a sixty one Fender Jazz based beautiful place like

1238
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: Butter played it yesterday, And then I have another.

1239
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: Is that what you've always used on?

1240
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: I get I'm using it since like twenty years ago.

1241
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 2: Someone gave it to me in a Tower Records parking lot,

1242
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 2: just gave it to me. Yeah, And it's a beautiful

1243
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: fucking base. And what's a butler the money to really? Yeah? Yeah, No,

1244
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: it's like early days of Twitter, and I got on

1245
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: there and I'll like high question love you know.

1246
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1247
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: But I had kind of finally figured out that I

1248
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: liked old Fender bases, like I always just kind of

1249
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 2: played whatever like new bases, and always had this attitude

1250
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 2: about instruments that the instrument means nothing. It's all in

1251
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: the fingers in your mind, like that you know your motivation,

1252
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: your intent, that thing I was talking about. And then

1253
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: but it kind of dawned on me like the longer

1254
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: a thing hasn't been a tree and it's been a base,

1255
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 2: it really takes on a feeling of its own. And

1256
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: I started playing some old Fender bases that were beautiful,

1257
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 2: and I just wanted to get one, didn't have one,

1258
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: and I wrote on Twitter, I want to get one.

1259
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 2: Some guy wrote me, you know, meet me at the

1260
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: Tower Records parking lot on Wednesday at two o'clock.

1261
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: I could have sworn you were a Fender guy.

1262
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: No, it was because you're twenty years ago.

1263
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, I know you know if you're a

1264
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: slab method but also like you you you're Jamison game.

1265
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 2: Is one point one into it.

1266
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: Man, I always thought you were a Fender guy on.

1267
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 2: An occasion, but I was kind of like whatever, whatever

1268
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: I had, you know, got but that one. And then

1269
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: one time Damien Hurst said to me, what's the best

1270
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 2: bass ever made? You know whatever? Just in conversation. I

1271
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,439
Speaker 2: was like, sixty one jazz like this, that's not a question.

1272
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: It's the greatest electric bass ever made. And he was like,

1273
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: oh wow, that's cost interesting. And like a year later

1274
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm playing in London, He's like, flee, I got something

1275
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: for you. Come over. I don't know if that and

1276
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 2: you know he makes those butterfly paintings. Yeah, he made

1277
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 2: me a butterfly bass, a Fender sixty one covered in

1278
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 2: the most beautiful butterflies, Like it's this gorgeous thing man

1279
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: a mirror. It's so beautiful and he gave that to me,

1280
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: a gifted debt to me, and yeah, super nice. So

1281
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: both of my.

1282
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: Are there artifacts based that you collected like blah blah

1283
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: blah played this bass on?

1284
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't really have like historically important basis,

1285
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: but those two which are both the same kind of bass.

1286
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 2: And then you know my son in law, Wileie Gelber,

1287
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: he makes instruments and has gifted me two basses that

1288
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: he made by hand, and it's just I have a

1289
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: lot of love in him and I really love those

1290
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: basis too.

1291
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: You sid sun in law, And instantly I was like

1292
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: going into my head and I was like, in my mind,

1293
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: your daughter is still the three year old that you

1294
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: think the MTV Awards.

1295
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: She's thirty seven.

1296
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was also like it was like thirty years ago.

1297
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she if she saw the video for a

1298
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 2: place she directed that did that whole thing.

1299
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: Nice.

1300
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a great kick. Thirty seven.

1301
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: What regular chores household domestic chores? What one chore do

1302
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: you loathe doing?

1303
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:37,919
Speaker 2: Cleaning up dog shit? You have dogs when they.

1304
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: Just recently became a dog dead and uh yeah, it's territorial,

1305
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: literally territorial.

1306
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: Finding really good. Actually switched to food and it stopped happening.

1307
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 2: But it's just like when you wake up in the

1308
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 2: morning and like you somewhere and it's like pissing ship

1309
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 2: on the floor and a nice rug and you're just like, dude,

1310
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 2: the fucking you down on hands and knees. I've been

1311
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:00,919
Speaker 2: trying to get.

1312
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: The smell ouloon.

1313
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: The rug is fucked, you know. And also it's like

1314
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 2: with mel like she was never a dog person before me,

1315
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: you know, she never ever and I'm like, before she

1316
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: got the ee of dogs in the bed, you know,

1317
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: dogs in the room, and she is just like uh.

1318
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: Uh, like no way, I'm meiling this situation.

1319
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she's like, yeah, I wake up, I get

1320
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: up in the morn and she just be sitting there

1321
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: like the dog's pooked enough rug and like and just

1322
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: looking at me like deal with it.

1323
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean like I'm meiling this situation. Yeah yeah, okay, okay,

1324
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: maybe I'm asking for my own benefit. How did you

1325
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: guys And it's not like I will say that he

1326
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: had the keys of the kingdom because you guys were

1327
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: headed there even during the mother's milk period. How did

1328
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: you guys manage to let Rick Rubin get you out

1329
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: of your own way to get to the place where

1330
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: you needed to get Because again, there's so many powerful

1331
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: bands that when that moment happens, they'll sabotage it and

1332
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: won't go there.

1333
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: How did you and I know musicians I don't want

1334
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 2: to say names, but we'll sabotage that every time out

1335
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: of some kind of insecurity.

1336
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: This is probably the first record, our seventeenth record I

1337
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: will consider our first real album because I'm the amount

1338
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: of times where I've X needed something because it might work,

1339
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: or they'll think we're sellout or are you thinking about

1340
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: someone judging you or something like, you'll sabotage it. How

1341
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: did you guys manage.

1342
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 2: To You know, we had been humbled many times by

1343
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: things not coming out the way we wanted them, and

1344
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: we had actually met with Rick before we made not

1345
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 2: Freaky Styd. But I think our third record, Uplift Mophole

1346
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 2: Party Plan right, we met with Rick and we were

1347
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: in a rehearsal studio. He showed up with the Beastie

1348
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 2: Boys came in and they were all like picking up

1349
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: our shit and playing it and We're like and everyone

1350
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 2: just thought, oh no, these guys like they're arrogant, they

1351
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: think they know everything, you know, Rick, and no one

1352
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: wanted to work with them. But he also like there

1353
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: was a lot of heroin going on in our band

1354
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 2: at the time, in fighting all this shit. We were

1355
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 2: not in a good energetic place. It wasn't long you

1356
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 2: know before HELLEL died got but anyway, so he came

1357
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: in and it didn't work out, like he was just

1358
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 2: like he said it was like later on he told me, man,

1359
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 2: the vibe was so bad, Like I didn't even realize

1360
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 2: how bad it was, but he was like, it felt

1361
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: like death.

1362
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: In that room.

1363
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, you know, damn you know

1364
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like didn't even really clock it myself.

1365
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 2: I was just trying to make it through and do something.

1366
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 2: But by the time he came around again, you know,

1367
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: we had done our first tour with John. We made

1368
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: Mother's Milk and things were very optimistic. We were playing

1369
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: our asses off like things had gotten difficult before that.

1370
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 2: You know. Helll was kind of in and out of

1371
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 2: drug problems, and he left, came back. We hired Blackbird

1372
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 2: McKnight for a while. Didn't work out Hellell came back,

1373
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: he died, and then we get John. We get this kid,

1374
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: this hot shot kid, and who's just like, we'll do

1375
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: anything to be a good musician, like a most driven

1376
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 2: musician I've ever met in my little life.

1377
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: And how is word getting out that you like? Was

1378
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: this the days of you read I met backstage or

1379
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: you put an add out or something.

1380
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 2: No. I met John through Dh Poligro, who was the

1381
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 2: drummer in the Dead Kennedy's, who was a very close

1382
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 2: friend of mine. We passed away Rip a couple of

1383
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 2: years ago, and Dh said, I know this kid, he's

1384
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: just awesomelest jam got together and jammed, and I remember

1385
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 2: in that jam, it was the first time I ever went.

1386
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 2: I started going doing good, God doing Good, the higher

1387
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: ground thing I just as part of a jam, and

1388
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 2: oh wow, that'd be a good cover. But met John

1389
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 2: and then I can't but I think, you know, we

1390
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 2: hired BlackBerry and it just wasn't the chemistry wasn't working out.

1391
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: And then I had this thing I'd recorded at home

1392
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 2: on my FoST text four track. I was like, let

1393
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 2: me just see what this kid would do. And he

1394
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: came over and you know, sat with me started and

1395
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 2: it was like damn, you know what I mean, like

1396
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 2: right in the pocket, like good everything I could have wanted.

1397
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 2: I remember calling Anthony, who was in Michigan drying out,

1398
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 2: you know he was before he got sober. He was

1399
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: like on a dry out, you know, to get it together.

1400
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 2: I was like, I just played with this kid. The

1401
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: kid is you know, it's serious. I think he's our guy.

1402
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 2: And he came back some John was playing in his

1403
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 2: Bancelonia spons to our friends. Anyways, we get John, We're

1404
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: doing really good. We did Made Mother's Milk. We go

1405
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: on tour and we really reached a peak like playing

1406
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 2: we did, Like right at the end of the tour,

1407
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: we played in La the Greek Theater. Rick came saw

1408
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: the show and it was just chemistry was just right,

1409
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: like we were at our peak. He was blown away.

1410
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 2: Our energy was real good and he was like, let's

1411
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: make a record together, and we got together. There was

1412
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: never anything that he said it was like changing us

1413
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 2: in a way that felt uncomfortable. He was like, every

1414
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: time you guys make a record, you get in a

1415
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: studio and you change what you do. It's not like

1416
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 2: what I hear in this room, you know, what I mean.

1417
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: It always becomes like this sounds triggering others sounds and

1418
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: too much compression, overthinking, like over and he was like,

1419
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: I just want to like the way you guys sound

1420
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: when you jam free in the room, the warmth of it,

1421
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 2: and the invention and all the stuff, like the funkiness.

1422
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: He's like, all we got to do is like get

1423
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 2: in a room, get sounds, put up mics, and do it.

1424
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: And then he started having really good ideas about arrangements

1425
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 2: and stuff, like we'd play songs and he would be like,

1426
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 2: you know, cut the outro. Can you do it in

1427
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 2: a key lower? You know, it'd be better for Anthony's

1428
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 2: voice or whatever it was. And he was like, all

1429
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: I ask of you is that you at least try

1430
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: every idea I have. We don't have to do it,

1431
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 2: but try it with an open mind. And we just

1432
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 2: took to it and did it and it was working,

1433
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It just felt like magic.

1434
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: Every day we rehearsed for that record. We played for

1435
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: like a year before we went in the studio, right,

1436
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: played like five days a week. Every day. I remember

1437
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 2: going home thinking like, got something good new happened today.

1438
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 2: It was like be like a bridge, like the bridge

1439
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 2: for the song Blood Sugar or something like always someone

1440
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 2: was coming with some little idea. And also we spent

1441
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 2: more than half the time just jamming. Like there's one

1442
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: point like we were just we'd come in, just set

1443
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 2: up and just jam free for at least an hour

1444
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 2: before we even worked on a song. And it was

1445
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: just like and great all the time, ideas off the

1446
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: time just disappearing into me that well we did that,

1447
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 2: we did that, And so we were so in a

1448
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 2: place of playing together. And also I think like when

1449
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 2: John first joined us on Mother's Milk, he was trying

1450
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 2: to fit in, you know what I mean. And he

1451
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 2: was clearly like a you know, stunning talent, but he

1452
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 2: hadn't really, i think, trusted himself yet to just go

1453
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 2: be himself and be free, you know what I mean.

1454
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 2: He was still wanting to fit into what we had

1455
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 2: gone and then when he started, like by Blood Sugar,

1456
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 2: trying to be himself, he was bringing us shit that

1457
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: we never had before.

1458
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: Okay, So, as the director of the S and L

1459
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: Music Dot, yeah, I couldn't get you for the interview,

1460
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: and you know that I wanted to talk to you

1461
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: about fear and all that other stuff, but the one

1462
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: thing that people like wanted meet it. I was just

1463
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 1: asking the most simple way possible. Yeah. Yeah, ten minutes

1464
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: after one minute after your performance of under the Bridge,

1465
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:15,480
Speaker 1: which is legendarily talked about, so fucked up? What happened backstage?

1466
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 2: I can't remember what happened backstage. I remember the state

1467
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: of the band. I'm sure it wasn't pleasant. The state

1468
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 2: of the band going into it was not good. It

1469
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 2: was right, you know, before John quit, right he you know,

1470
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 2: we had had this huge success, like our first really huge, like.

1471
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is the moment up on the

1472
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: top pop charts. Yes, you've blown thegyes is this is

1473
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: the time.

1474
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 2: And I think we were just a mess. You know,

1475
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: we were all going in different directions. John was like

1476
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 2: anti rock star. He's like, I do not like being famous.

1477
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: I do not like being in a famous rock band,

1478
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: and I do not like you, you know what I mean.

1479
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: He was not happy with me, He was not happy

1480
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 2: with Anthony. And the song itself was a song, you know,

1481
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 2: it was very new for Anthony to be singing a

1482
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 2: ballad like that, and he was like, I think he

1483
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 2: asked John before we did the song to you know,

1484
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 2: give me the tone, you know what I mean before

1485
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 2: so I could just have it in my head and

1486
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 2: I think John didn't do it. And then when it

1487
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 2: came time to sing the background vocals, he just you know, yeah.

1488
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 1: He went rogue. Yeah, he went for people that don't

1489
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Speaker 1: basically you know, the the end of the song where

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01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: you're supposed to sing the background, he just rages and screams.

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. He wasn't gonna. He just was like anti.

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01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know the history behind it. Yeah, so watch

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01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: him for the first time. I was like, oh, he's

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01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: this intense version of it.

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01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. So no, Well he quit right after that, and

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01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: he was just we had made this record, and when

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01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: we got on a tour he for a variety of reasons,

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01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 2: which I don't you know what I mean. I can't

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01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 2: speak for him, but he was, without doubt, very disillusioned

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01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: with everything about it and had really kind of separated himself.

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: And I was also like, I was going through a

1502
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:09,520
Speaker 2: period I don't know what of extreme anxiety and unhappiness

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01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 2: and sleeplessness, gotten divorced. I just wasn't doing good, man.

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01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 2: I remember like I felt so bad in sleep. I

1505
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 2: was like, I look like shit. I remember, like I

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01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 2: had like this, like you know, you put a face

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01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: mask on and I was like hiding. I covered my

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01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 2: face in a face mask, I think, and like you

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01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it was just this we

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01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: were just a mess everyone. I think Anthony was like,

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01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 2: you know, so excited that we were doing so well.

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01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 2: We got Sad Night Live, we having a record, and

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01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 2: he was like, what the fuck is the matter with

1514
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 2: you guys? Like we got everything we ever wanted, and

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01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 2: he sees me like crawling into my shell. He sees

1516
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 2: John being completely anti and he was just you know

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01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 2: what I mean. And I can't remember afterwards, but there

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01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 2: was probably some screaming and yelling and unhappiness and yeah,

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01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, man as our band, like

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01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 2: as times if we've had like complete light and riding

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01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 2: this wave of like love and togetherness, we've gone the

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 2: other way too, you know what I mean. And it's

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01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: like you were talking earlier about us huddling together, like

1524
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 2: it's not always you know, it's always close, but it's

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01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: not always like we're not always expressing or your human fondness. Yeah,

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01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 2: but I'm not. I think, like the one when you

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01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 2: asked me whatever I said, I probably in that moment

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01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 2: we were actually being like, whoa, this is beautiful, Like.

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01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh, you have enough to convince me, and.

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01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I wouldn't lie. I wouldn't lie about it,

1531
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But there's many times where

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01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 2: it's just like someone expressing, you know, displeasure.

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01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: All right, my last three questions. Jeez, if you could

1534
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: go back to the age of ten in nineteen seventy

1535
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: two for one hour with a brain and monology you have, now,

1536
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: what would you do?

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01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 2: Go back and I can speak to myself or go

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01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 2: back and.

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01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll allow you to speak to yourself.

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01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I just like one, believe in yourself, trust

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01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 2: your instinct, trust your love, focus on that music, do

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01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: the work, don't you know? Stay off the pipe?

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01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, okay.

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01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 2: I was with Chris Rock. We were at a Laker

1545
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 2: game and Chris go is like, your kids run up

1546
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,839
Speaker 2: to him photographs and stuff. It's like in the nineties,

1547
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: and he was like, give a kid. It's like sweet, look,

1548
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 2: give audio. Stay off the pipe. That's very very funny.

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01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 1: All right, what song do you absolutely love that everyone

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01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: is indifferent about our hates or what's the embarrassing I.

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01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 2: Mean, I'm not embarrassed about.

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01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: Any of it still away or like.

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01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 2: I can't only think of anything because there's always someone

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01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 2: that loves it. But there's one thing that, like, my

1555
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: friends used to really give me ship for loving hit me,

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01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 2: which was and I wish I remember the name of

1557
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 2: a song. It was Hoody and the Blowfish and it

1558
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: might have been their first big hit. And I can't even.

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01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 1: Think I want to be with you or hold my hand.

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01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 2: I think it was I only want to be with you, okay, Yeah,

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01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 2: And I loved it. I was just like it made

1562
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: me feel good, and everyone was just like, what the

1563
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,440
Speaker 2: fuck does the matter with you?

1564
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 1: You know?

1565
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 2: And Culture Club? I used to like Culture Club, but

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01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: I remember people are making fun of me for that too.

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01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah in my world, man, it wasn't cool.

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01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 2: I was like, it's good.

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01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are great songs. We gotta get boy Georgia

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01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: on the show.

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01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy George get him.

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. My last question, what is the most

1573
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: difficult part of your job that no one ever gets

1574
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: to see?

1575
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 2: Managing time and work, being relentlessly diligent about doing the

1576
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 2: work to the sacrifice of other parts of my life.

1577
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 2: Being on tour, like people have this ridiculous fantasy that

1578
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 2: it's just like this glamour, it's like rockstar glamour, and

1579
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, sitting alone in a hotel room,

1580
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: my ears ringing, thinking, Okay, nurture myself, be ready for

1581
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: the next show. Like that's the hard part, you know, Yeah, all.

1582
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: Right, it's actually one point five because the thing is

1583
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: you're also an athlete on stage, and there's this expectation.

1584
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're going to be flexible. That's all part of.

1585
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 2: It, you know what I mean, Like nearly, like do.

1586
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: You rue the day? Like right now, Bootsy Collins is

1587
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: not picking up a base because it's beck just can't

1588
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: take it anymore.

1589
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: Well, I do everything I can to take care of

1590
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 2: myself physically, and I you know, pretty much every Chili

1591
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 2: Pepper show, I push myself to abject exhaustion to like

1592
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 2: I'm just done. I got nothing left at the end.

1593
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 2: But you know, I want to give it to the people,

1594
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 2: Like I just feel like this is my job, Like

1595
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 2: if I'm going to do it, it's always been all

1596
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 2: or nothing for me. It's like give it everything you got,

1597
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 2: or you know, be in miss the middle of the

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01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: road player fucked.

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01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: Up as a new artist. Yeah, I think you're going

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01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: to make it.

1601
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 2: I got a piece so bad and I appreciate it.

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01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: This is it, I get it.

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01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'll you read that all right.

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01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:11,639
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