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Speaker 1: Cowboys training live from Dallas Cowboys training camp in Hawksnard, California.
Speaker 1: Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Bruns, Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: and welcome into Talking Cowboys on a Thursday, just an
Speaker 1: hour and a half maybe before the start of Cowboys practice.
Speaker 1: A morning practice today, the final on field work before
Speaker 1: the Cowboys head up the one on one to San
Speaker 1: Francisco or fly to San Francisco to take on the
Speaker 1: forty nine or Saturday night in the preseason opener, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought, Kaden Gates and William Boykin's over
Speaker 1: Yonder producing. Well, one more to go until we finally
Speaker 1: get some game action. You're gonna stop at the Hearst
Speaker 1: Castle on the way up, you know it always. I
Speaker 1: love history like that, Yeah, I love to you know,
Speaker 1: the Getty Museum, all those places. This state is really
Speaker 1: is awesome for all the things that they do have
Speaker 1: that you can kind of go and see. But no,
Speaker 1: I gotta you're driving. Yeah, I mean the bone Crusher
Speaker 1: or head and head bone Crusher, you know, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna get pictures of you all the way up like
Speaker 1: every other mile. Just this is kind of a behind
Speaker 1: the scenes And again, I know people are probably tuning
Speaker 1: in to let's talk, let's talk about argue about players
Speaker 1: and stuff. But James, you know, the bone Crusher is
Speaker 1: the team photographer, right, and so you know he's so quiet, yes, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking I rode with him last year. He
Speaker 1: rode with me, and I'm thinking, boy, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be five hours of me listening to music and not
Speaker 1: saying a word, you know it just kind of trying
Speaker 1: to pull man the other nice. Yeah he can. I
Speaker 1: guess he talked. I know we we we left here
Speaker 1: at ten am and we got to got to the
Speaker 1: gate there at the Levi Stadium and he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: thanks for the ride. Yeah time he is. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're thinking, okay, I'm gonna have to pound like two
Speaker 1: of those red bulls, which I only Drake would I
Speaker 1: have to, you know, and have to drive and kind
Speaker 1: of keep alert. But he I'm thinking he's not gonna
Speaker 1: say a word, and he, James, he talked the whole
Speaker 1: entire time, and I you know, and I just kind
Speaker 1: of sitting there like, Wow, this is something I would
Speaker 1: have not expected for the listener. Bone Crusher is one
Speaker 1: of the nicest people you'll ever meet. James Smith, team photographer, Yes,
Speaker 1: long time team photographer for any save stories by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's, oh my god, she mild manner. He doesn't
Speaker 1: say a whole lot. Yeah. Usually I think every picture
Speaker 1: I have over these years from training camp and offseason workouts,
Speaker 1: they're from him because he catches these candid shots, absolutely
Speaker 1: no idea he's shooting, and he takes the time to
Speaker 1: send him to ye. But yeah, he got a picture
Speaker 1: one of my favorite pictures, and this is this is
Speaker 1: the the brag picture. He got a picture of me
Speaker 1: and Troy Aikman talking one time in Philadelphia on the field.
Speaker 1: You know how I always to get on the field.
Speaker 1: You and I'd be standing in Kansas City looking at
Speaker 1: wind direction. We're both looking up like fools at the
Speaker 1: flags and stuff. But he got a picture of me
Speaker 1: like talking with Troy Aikman, and it's like Aitman's like
Speaker 1: telling me, I got my arms cast. I'm like really
Speaker 1: intently listening. It's one of my favorite pictures because it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really like locked in what's going on game day,
Speaker 1: you know, and all that little intensity there. But Aitman
Speaker 1: was probably telling me about a good rib place he
Speaker 1: had been to down the road. You know what he
Speaker 1: did during the Blue White scrimmage he wasn't here for
Speaker 1: he was doing the TV. He took a picture of
Speaker 1: the TV me interviewing Jerry Steven. I can't remember which
Speaker 1: it was that he send it to me. It's funny.
Speaker 1: Did James do Proud Brian was? No, No, somebody did
Speaker 1: the best shot ever off television that was off TV.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. That that's enough to make you want
Speaker 1: to go on soda diet right there, that Proud Brian moment.
Speaker 1: I need to get a skinnier pri Brian privant moment.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's people are very creative out there.
Speaker 1: I admire people that are very creative. And you know,
Speaker 1: I speaking of creative, they had a creative roster here
Speaker 1: with a lot of these guys. They absolutely do. We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna take a closer look at it today
Speaker 1: as they get closer to preseason action and evaluate a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys down the ninety Man roster. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: let's quickly recap what we saw on Wednesday out here
Speaker 1: only a few hours ago, but you know, twelve hours
Speaker 1: ago a little more than that. Um, what stood out
Speaker 1: to you a practice first fight, if you want to
Speaker 1: call it. Todd Archer took credit for that one. He
Speaker 1: jinks that one scared at that in the press conference.
Speaker 1: Didn't looked like the first round of a heavyweight fight too,
Speaker 1: just kind of danced around and through that air, and
Speaker 1: then everybody broke it up. I'll tell you what. It
Speaker 1: was a baseball fight. I'll tell you what. It was
Speaker 1: funny about their fighting wings. Yeah, Joe Looney, Joe Looney
Speaker 1: was the one who started the fight because he was
Speaker 1: playing guard for Zach Martin yesterday and he got a
Speaker 1: shot like Lale Collins was on, you know, on Triston Hill,
Speaker 1: and Tristan Hill didn't see it coming, and Joe Looney
Speaker 1: kind of took a nice little rib shot on him
Speaker 1: and knocked him on the ground, and Lyle Collins was
Speaker 1: kind of over the top of Hill, and Hill pops
Speaker 1: up and he and you know, Joe Looney kind of
Speaker 1: disappears off into the off back into the huddle, and
Speaker 1: Hill comes up swinging and and uh and in Collein's like, well,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna swing at me, I'm swinging back. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there was there was a little bit of that going on.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the first rule, you know, tot to
Speaker 1: toe that we've seen as far as guy's kind of
Speaker 1: getting upset with each other. It's been building. I thought
Speaker 1: it had happened sooner in that because you could see
Speaker 1: a couple of hits so that were level that weren't
Speaker 1: supposed to be hit, and it's like, Joe Thomas is
Speaker 1: that guy? Oh he hit that was yesterday. Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: hit hit Pollard. They run that thirty seven off the
Speaker 1: edge and thirty seven to run play and and and
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas coming from inside bam like face to face
Speaker 1: and you see Pollard kind of snap a little bit.
Speaker 1: And it was right in front of us, so as
Speaker 1: we were there on that sideline area. So yeah, Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas is kind of a sneaky hitter. Him and march Lillard.
Speaker 1: March Lord's another one of those. He'll kind of work
Speaker 1: his way through and boom, get a little shot and
Speaker 1: the kind of go off to the side. You know,
Speaker 1: that's no big deal. Let you know you're here. Yeah, Hi,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna hit you high today. Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath do that to you too, Jeff Heath run up
Speaker 1: and he'll get and he'll he'll run into a pile
Speaker 1: and he'll he'll find that angle and book hitch it
Speaker 1: and then kind of go off to the side. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I touched up. Yeah, touched up tag two below. So
Speaker 1: that was the tenth tenth practice after ten practices, and
Speaker 1: you can see a game on the horizon. It's like
Speaker 1: Lyle said, after practice, it's gonna come out. Ye hit
Speaker 1: on each other enough times and something's gonna happen. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a big deal. Quick. Could I give some practice
Speaker 1: credit to somebody to my left right here? Yeah. Mickey
Speaker 1: Spagnola told you yesterday that if you're not getting on
Speaker 1: the bus, if you're on the injury bus and you're
Speaker 1: not getting healthy and you're not being out there to participate,
Speaker 1: they we're going to leave you at the station. He said, Hey,
Speaker 1: two guys, get ready, and he called the two guys
Speaker 1: that were on the road. So I don't always give
Speaker 1: them a man Tom left a lot of credit, but
Speaker 1: he called that one right there very nicely. For you
Speaker 1: right there, because I think that's where we're at right
Speaker 1: now with camp. You said ten practice is in rob
Speaker 1: if you're not. And again there's guys out there like
Speaker 1: Zach Martin and Crawford and those guys of course the starters,
Speaker 1: but if you're a guy that's a down the line
Speaker 1: type of a player, they don't have any more time
Speaker 1: for you. The days of waiting in OTAs and we're okay,
Speaker 1: and everybody's fine. Nope, we're getting ready for games. We're
Speaker 1: getting rid for preseason games, we're getting ready for regular
Speaker 1: season games. We gotta cut this thing from ninety to
Speaker 1: fifty three. If you're not part of the mix, then
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Lance Lenore. I know you have a banged
Speaker 1: up knee and you can't participate, but we're moving on.
Speaker 1: Rico Gathers, we're moving on. We don't have time for
Speaker 1: you anymore. And they were light at guard anyway, and
Speaker 1: I still let him go because you know, we got practicing.
Speaker 1: I'm practicing, right, can't help him. Expendable can't be injured.
Speaker 1: That's correct, That's that's a great line. Expendables can't get hurt,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry if you do. And it happens, right,
Speaker 1: But it either got to push through it or expect
Speaker 1: this is what's going to happen. And they end up,
Speaker 1: you know, having to bring it to see what they're
Speaker 1: worried about getting through the game. The game, and you
Speaker 1: got to have extra guards. And they needed another tight
Speaker 1: end because Witten's not playing right, the rico wouldn't have played,
Speaker 1: and so they bring in a tight end that, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, he's been in the league. I think this
Speaker 1: is his fifth since twenty fourteen, so five years. This
Speaker 1: is his sixth and he's on his eleventh roster move
Speaker 1: and a couple of teams brought him back twice. And
Speaker 1: he was a good tight end at Missouri right scouting report,
Speaker 1: it was the second leading receiver in twenty thirteen when
Speaker 1: they went to the SEC championship game against Auburn and
Speaker 1: one quarter away from the National championship game. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he had fifty eight catches, the leading receivers with Dorieo
Speaker 1: Beckham and he had fifty nine. So he was But
Speaker 1: he hasn't stuck. He's been practice squad, practice squad, practice squad,
Speaker 1: practice squad. I mean, at some point and some you
Speaker 1: would give up at some point you don't want to
Speaker 1: stay in shape and then do what it takes to
Speaker 1: be that workout was a little tough for him yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Usmyer was kind of pushing right. Us does a drill
Speaker 1: where he grabs you like it's it's an old Tim
Speaker 1: crumb Right used to do this drill for the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: Bengals when used to go on the road with Tim
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. He might remember he broke his leg in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and and he uh, crumb Right used
Speaker 1: to grab guys and wrestle with them, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean he would like make you mad, wrestle with you,
Speaker 1: you know, and he'd throw them off. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, here goes crumb Right. He's gonna piss this
Speaker 1: guy off. And and Nussmyer was doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was kind of jerking this guy
Speaker 1: around a little bit, and I was thinking, oh man,
Speaker 1: this is not good. You know, you need to sit
Speaker 1: down hill, little power and all that. But yeah, Mickey's right,
Speaker 1: I mean the guy has talent. The problem is, though, no,
Speaker 1: he's just never been able to kind of get over
Speaker 1: the hump to get onto a team consistently or make
Speaker 1: a fifty three man roster, Marcus Lucas, Marcus R. Lucas,
Speaker 1: Marcus I'm not sure, is it Marcus Lucas, Marcus Lucas.
Speaker 1: I think yes. He was wearing number eighty right, he
Speaker 1: will be wearing I gotta admit it was a little
Speaker 1: weird not seeing Rico number eight a little shorter eighties
Speaker 1: this time. Yeah, yeah, a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 1: Who else did they sign offensive lineman? Go ahead, Mike
Speaker 1: Bushell beat that. Bushel beat yeah, Juan Juan Bushell Beatty
Speaker 1: from Michigan. And then they've also before that they did
Speaker 1: they also had uh Lucas, Lucius McNeil. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, these are guys you probably have
Speaker 1: liked to have seen during OTA's mini camps and stuff.
Speaker 1: But like Mickey's talking about, guys are getting banged up,
Speaker 1: the guys aren't practicing. You know. That's that's hard that
Speaker 1: that's all you know. You can't have the expendables great word, Mickey,
Speaker 1: by the way, expendables can't be you know, be on
Speaker 1: the sidelines with us doing training camp live. They got
Speaker 1: to be in the training camp live action for us
Speaker 1: to have an opportunity for this team to evaluate him
Speaker 1: to just remember there's two thousand, eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: players on roster. Quick math, right there, I did it
Speaker 1: right quick, Yeah, and these guys who didn't have a job. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what you're at. But you never know George
Speaker 1: Selvey shows up. But that is one of the great
Speaker 1: all time signings by a pro department in my opinion,
Speaker 1: of getting a guy on on July thirtieth and then
Speaker 1: making him and what he did for the Dallas calbum.
Speaker 1: And he's been out here helping out too. I like
Speaker 1: George Selvey. I think he'll be a great coach one day.
Speaker 1: Now times Powell at least has played games in this
Speaker 1: league and has played for christ Rah Shard, and they're
Speaker 1: throwing him out there. You see him. Yeah, he's getting
Speaker 1: some reps and the one on one stuff and all
Speaker 1: that and some of the team stuff. He's actually getting
Speaker 1: reps as well. Corner corner number forty five. I've been noticed.
Speaker 1: I've been watching him. He's he's a guy that you
Speaker 1: could understand why he was initially on the street, not
Speaker 1: for poor play, but for that what I was worried
Speaker 1: about with a little bit worried with with my guy
Speaker 1: h thirty two Donovan Alumba, that that is he a
Speaker 1: guy that gets close and can't make the play? Is
Speaker 1: he one of those guys? And we've seen that he
Speaker 1: can cover, he can move, he could turn. But they're
Speaker 1: kind of taking advantage of the guys like Smith and
Speaker 1: know or taking advantage of Reggie Davis has taking advantage
Speaker 1: of them a little bit though, So you know, got
Speaker 1: to get in the flow of things here. He's got
Speaker 1: four preseason games. But boy, that is a really really
Speaker 1: deep group of cornerbacks that they just threw him into
Speaker 1: right there. And CJ. Goodwin decided there there you go.
Speaker 1: It might be CJ. Goodwin all of sudden seeing guys
Speaker 1: make plays and all of a sudden makes the business
Speaker 1: decisions like you know what, Britt I feel, Jim, I
Speaker 1: feel pretty good. They might be eighty five percent, but
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna go out there practice because we
Speaker 1: made We talked about this yesterday. The sixth corner Donovan Alumba,
Speaker 1: who who is that? Goodwin Alumba, you know, Jackson. These
Speaker 1: are all possibilities right there because that is a very
Speaker 1: very deep group. By the way, Mike White might have
Speaker 1: made the best throw I've seen him making Oxnard yesterday
Speaker 1: against C. J. Goodwin. Yeah, finally threw it down the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it the blue period, right, he hit he
Speaker 1: hit um John Vay Johnson. Then he came back and
Speaker 1: hit Cedric Wilson and was started for him. He threw
Speaker 1: the ball much better yesterday. I'm hoping that that that
Speaker 1: this kind of gets him going. You know, cut it loose,
Speaker 1: Mike White. T shirts need to be made right now,
Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully because you do see the town.
Speaker 1: He made it. He threw a slant throw. I think
Speaker 1: you're talking Mickey to john v Johnson. That was a
Speaker 1: freaking rocket. I mean, I mean it was like got
Speaker 1: the snap ball out of hand, Johnson on the brake
Speaker 1: in front of the corner, snatch up the field. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Mike White. That's what I've seen from you before. I
Speaker 1: need you to kind of play with that kind of pace.
Speaker 1: So when you're watching the Saturday preseason game, this is
Speaker 1: what you gotta pay attention to. These types of guys, actually,
Speaker 1: the backup quarterbacks. Yeah, that's that's especially I've a feeling
Speaker 1: that's with Brad Sham and I'll be focusing on quite
Speaker 1: a bit, like what guys moving the team. Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: was nice enough to tell us, you know, hey, when
Speaker 1: you're looking at a quarterbacks, this is how you kind
Speaker 1: of evaluate them. In and out of the huddle, communication,
Speaker 1: helping the team finish. Those are all the things you
Speaker 1: need to kind of look for. If the quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: doing those things, then we're having a success at quarterback.
Speaker 1: If not, then now think about other guys that might Yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, you got an answer from Jason Witten
Speaker 1: about that moment he had with Vander Eshtice. I only
Speaker 1: jumped ahead of the fine reporter across from me because
Speaker 1: I knew you were going to ask that question. I
Speaker 1: had a feeling you might ask that question. Well, I
Speaker 1: didn't see that make that observation a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked it, because, um, that's interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's something that's that's things you can see at camp.
Speaker 1: M Vanderesh not everybody gets to see. Vanderesh was interested
Speaker 1: in the route. Vanderesh was like, Okay, how do you
Speaker 1: how did you run that route? How did I felt?
Speaker 1: I felt you run the route, but how did you
Speaker 1: run it? And so and Jason went was very complimentary
Speaker 1: towards Layton Vandersh, who's not very complimentary. He's got a
Speaker 1: great bus out there by the way. That family. I
Speaker 1: need that. It's blue and orange. I'm all about that night.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I need a bus. Yeah, I could
Speaker 1: go to all the races I want to. We're riding
Speaker 1: that bus. But yeah, I think to me that that
Speaker 1: with he was very complimentary towards Vanderish, but he appreciates
Speaker 1: the fact that Vandersh wants to learn that Vandres, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not often you get to cover a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame tight end down the field and and try and
Speaker 1: do your very best to keep him from the football.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, he covered a Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: tight end on then out route yesterday to the sidelines
Speaker 1: of quick pass they tried to get to UH to
Speaker 1: Witten and Vandersh knocked the ball down. So any time
Speaker 1: that he could get that kind of coverage where a
Speaker 1: guy's leaning on him and and and trying to separate
Speaker 1: and the routes and he could learn as he's going along,
Speaker 1: I think that's that those kinds of UH opportunities are
Speaker 1: are great. And but Witten just explained that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that he wants to learn, he wants
Speaker 1: to be better, and those are the kinds of things
Speaker 1: he goes. I'm more than willing to help a guy
Speaker 1: like that, especially those kinds of things. Marinelli's favorite line
Speaker 1: right when he asked him about it. The guy, especially
Speaker 1: a veteran, it's like, does he know it all? Or
Speaker 1: does the man still want to learn? Right? And that's
Speaker 1: that's a good sign for a young guy that has
Speaker 1: a rookie season that he had, but he understands there's
Speaker 1: still ways to go. All right, let's take our first
Speaker 1: break when we come back. Yes, we'll check in with periscope.
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Speaker 1: Cowboys with a morning practice today, lining up, getting ready
Speaker 1: to line up. Fans were lining them, mother, Yeah, that's good,
Speaker 1: good fans. Yeah, I think you know. The Rammans has
Speaker 1: been good, Ramps are playing better, the Chargers. I mean,
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Speaker 1: And there's only a few of these left, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: there are going on a road trip the rest of
Speaker 1: this week and then today three just us next week Monday, Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Wednesday and the Hawaii and then Hawaii although there's a
Speaker 1: well they won't be open tomorrow. It's a walk through,
Speaker 1: right correct? All right? Uh? Recapping Wednesday's practice, you guys
Speaker 1: wanted to highlights a certain guy on defense who's been
Speaker 1: showing up lately. Look at air if you can see that,
Speaker 1: look at that in capitol letters, that's at least sixteen
Speaker 1: point right, Taco Taco. You know I wrote about him
Speaker 1: as well, Mickey, but I wish we had the drops
Speaker 1: right Yeah, yeah, michiean Kit But Kaden, I love what
Speaker 1: you're doing too. Drops here, I don't think drops throw
Speaker 1: it throw it on him. Yeah, no, you know it
Speaker 1: started on the one on one drills and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I understand the majority of those snaps he
Speaker 1: had that he won on was against Cameron Fleming. But
Speaker 1: when they got into team he was he was doing
Speaker 1: a good job. Absolutely. You know, maybe if he just
Speaker 1: stays away from having to go against Tyrn Smith all
Speaker 1: the time. I think there's a lot of defensive ends
Speaker 1: what they want to do that like you're out a
Speaker 1: count in line and go okay. I asked for the
Speaker 1: for the for the pre for the pregame show on
Speaker 1: TV on Saturday. Scott Purcell wanted me ask Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: a question and it turned into you're looking forward to
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to go You're looking forward to
Speaker 1: kind of going. He goes, yeah, I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: going against somebody sites Tyren Smith. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. He's just just yeah, he wants to get
Speaker 1: away from that big guy. But Taco in two days
Speaker 1: ago and team and absolutely he played well, Yes he did,
Speaker 1: and that's not blowing smoke. And now I want him
Speaker 1: to be excited about playing well. Yeah, like don't don't
Speaker 1: get a sack fumble and just mo mosy back to
Speaker 1: no jump up in the air, you know, enjoy yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's been beating down Brian Bross is beating and
Speaker 1: he's starting to show and he needs to do that,
Speaker 1: especially with Okay, there's no DeMarcus Lawrence out there, there's
Speaker 1: no Robert Quinn out there, there's no Tyron Crawford out there. Hey,
Speaker 1: you're kind of the guy. Let's go. I'm not around
Speaker 1: him as much as the coaches are, and I know
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, but there's part of me,
Speaker 1: as somebody who's kind of has kind of a laid
Speaker 1: back demeanor himself. You can be a little misunderstood when
Speaker 1: that's the way you carry yourself. I get it. It's football,
Speaker 1: and you want to show what passion emotions. I get
Speaker 1: it's fair but fair, but you know, to a certain degree,
Speaker 1: maybe that's just kind of how he is. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he doesn't care. You know. Well, if he thinks
Speaker 1: he's a hot boys, then let's let's let's go. Let's
Speaker 1: get hot, let's go. You know. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: segue to you guys, and I appreciate me. That's a
Speaker 1: great analogy, not analogy, great analysis of what Taco did yesterday,
Speaker 1: because you're right he there was times they were running
Speaker 1: that quick game going out out the right side and
Speaker 1: Tacco was chasing from the back side like you could.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Dak Prescott when he let it go, he
Speaker 1: was here in Taco breathed to him. That's how close
Speaker 1: he was. Well, he's the one that screwed up that
Speaker 1: flee flicker. He did, and he also kind of jet
Speaker 1: sweep when they tried to run it, and he got
Speaker 1: up the field real quick on that too. So give
Speaker 1: him credit for that one thing. He said the other day, Um,
Speaker 1: he'll play anywhere, but he doesn't. He did say he's
Speaker 1: comfortable on the left side. That's where he started his career,
Speaker 1: right Michigan. Yeah, Yeah, and played a little behind the law.
Speaker 1: I guess his first rookie year. I think that's a
Speaker 1: better spot for him. I mean, is there what's the difference?
Speaker 1: You know what? To me, it makes sense. It makes
Speaker 1: sense to him mentally because he's used to play in
Speaker 1: the run because he's not He's not one of those
Speaker 1: guys that you would say is a blur coming off
Speaker 1: the right side, those you know when you talk about
Speaker 1: the Quinns and the guys like that that could really rush.
Speaker 1: Taco is more of it. He has to kind of
Speaker 1: think his way through, and he when he's thinking, then
Speaker 1: he's not making moves and he does the spin and
Speaker 1: he gets himself, like Mickey says, in trouble because he
Speaker 1: goes too early on the spin. If he could find
Speaker 1: a way to win more to the edge, win more
Speaker 1: to the edge without spinning, didn't get a little confidence,
Speaker 1: he could become a better right end. He could because
Speaker 1: he could give some people trouble with his length. The
Speaker 1: problem is, though he doesn't use his link to get
Speaker 1: to the next move because he's thinking, I gotta spin,
Speaker 1: and these guys know, like Mickey said, he's gonna spin
Speaker 1: right into someone being really patient blocking him so he's
Speaker 1: got to learn more to get work more to the corner,
Speaker 1: get to the corner, dip below, keep his balance and
Speaker 1: then go get there, you know. And that's weird because
Speaker 1: yesterday and the one on one that's from the right
Speaker 1: success was from the right side. Yeah, right side. And
Speaker 1: I was watching in the team period because he was
Speaker 1: going against Fleming. Yeah, but that's where he and then
Speaker 1: when he went to the left side, he lost his feet.
Speaker 1: And I'm going, Okay, maybe it's just got to be
Speaker 1: on the right side. Balance is bad at times when
Speaker 1: Taco is bad. Maybe he has small feet or something.
Speaker 1: He's bow legged. He can walk over he is he
Speaker 1: can walk over fire hydrant and never know it. You know,
Speaker 1: I just walk over fire riding, you know. But he's
Speaker 1: longer clates something. Robert Quinn had that problem too early
Speaker 1: in camp. Okay, this is kind of segues to big Daddy,
Speaker 1: Big Daddy reeves. I like that, all right, Big Daddy,
Speaker 1: Big Daddy reeves up. He wants to We talked a
Speaker 1: lot about Taco, but could Joe Jackson, oh have a
Speaker 1: better San Francisco game than Taco. I was gonna start
Speaker 1: this was a question before this was what we were
Speaker 1: always I was gonna start my game with Joe Jackson. Okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe why is that? That's a good one? Huh,
Speaker 1: why is that? I'm gonna name the game first, get
Speaker 1: what's the name? What's the name of the game. It's
Speaker 1: called up the one on one, Mick on the one
Speaker 1: on one? Who needs to bring their game up? The
Speaker 1: one on one from Oxnard to San Francisco and really
Speaker 1: stand out. I need to bring my game. I know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we all do. I'm guessing Joe Jackson will get more opportunities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna play a lot, don't you think.
Speaker 1: I think he is. And now he needs to take
Speaker 1: advantage Taco. But if he gives Taco gets a couple
Speaker 1: of series, I go on the right, maybe Joe Jackson
Speaker 1: on the left, Armstrongs are gonna play. Armstrong will play
Speaker 1: two that might need to be bad if they get
Speaker 1: those two young guys kind of going at it. San
Speaker 1: Francisco has had some problems with some injuries, but kind
Speaker 1: of like this team. But yeah, if you can, if
Speaker 1: you can kind of get those guys going for a
Speaker 1: couple of series, maybe a quarter. Yeah, we see Armstrong
Speaker 1: and and Taco get after it a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then we'll see some of the guys getting vault. But
Speaker 1: if you had to kind of crystal ball it, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe one guy has four tackles or three tackles or
Speaker 1: a pressure. Who in your crystal ball are you're gonna say? Oh,
Speaker 1: I think this guy is gonna between Taco and Joe Jackson.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really looking. That's that's from our periscope, by
Speaker 1: the way, and thank you to the question, Uh big
Speaker 1: Daddy Reeves. I'm thinking Joe Jackson because I think he
Speaker 1: might play well into the second half. Oh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gonna play a lot, maybe more than Taco. Yeah, it'll
Speaker 1: be him and Jelks maybe that whole second half. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's another guy you like too. Yeah yeah, And and
Speaker 1: what are you seeing from him? But it's like it's
Speaker 1: like these are these are the times you've got to
Speaker 1: show up. You know, you can do the stuff out
Speaker 1: in practice. And Jason was saying Jason Garrett was saying
Speaker 1: it yesterday in the press conference. But when the lights
Speaker 1: come on now, is are they too bright for you?
Speaker 1: You're ready to shine? And these are their opportunities. That's
Speaker 1: why these games are important. I understand. You know, the
Speaker 1: stars aren't out there playing, and I know they're important,
Speaker 1: don't worry about winning and losing. But watch these young guys.
Speaker 1: Watch these young guys, Tristan Hill, I bet they wear
Speaker 1: him out. Yeah, you know he he doesn't. He doesn't
Speaker 1: get veteran you know, responsibility out there like okay, you
Speaker 1: had a series, you're out now. I'll tell you he's
Speaker 1: gonna play. I'll tell you a guy who this is
Speaker 1: important too. To Mickey's portant, I know it might not
Speaker 1: be part of your game. Bret Maher, No, we'll keep going. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Brett Maher Yeah. I mean you talked about even though
Speaker 1: he's the incumbent and they don't have anybody waiting to
Speaker 1: challenge him right now. In my opinion, this this you know,
Speaker 1: they're very patient with him right now, probably a lot
Speaker 1: more patient than Brian brought uses. But I see this
Speaker 1: is there's some trends going on here. And if you
Speaker 1: talk to you know, Keith o quinn, the Special Team's coach,
Speaker 1: he'll tell you, wa wait, we chart all this stuff.
Speaker 1: They've been happy, we've been happy with him. There's stuff
Speaker 1: in practice that we don't see. But when you do
Speaker 1: see it on the line. They're driving the ball. It's
Speaker 1: a chance for a win in a two minute situation,
Speaker 1: and you don't make it. That's what we see. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't get to watch. I'm over here watching. I'm watching,
Speaker 1: h you know, Reggie Davis trying to make this football
Speaker 1: team over on field two. I'm sorry, you're over here
Speaker 1: on field one kicking field goals. Okay, maybe I should
Speaker 1: go over to field one and pay more attention to that.
Speaker 1: But but this is important. This game is important for
Speaker 1: a guy like Brett Maher because these guy guys like
Speaker 1: me talking about that this is a bad trend of
Speaker 1: him missing these field goals in these types of situations. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The best thing he's got going for him, though, is
Speaker 1: there's nobody out there. Yeah, unless you want some of
Speaker 1: those the Chicago Bears have gone through. They've probably gone
Speaker 1: through a half dozen kickers. After what happened at the
Speaker 1: end of that playoff game. Well, I mean, there's always
Speaker 1: got to be somebody out there who's kicked in the
Speaker 1: league at some point. Right now, that's not a morning
Speaker 1: to the folks that have been watching. I know who's
Speaker 1: out there, I know, but I mean just that's my
Speaker 1: next question. I'm gonna go up to Alex Loomis and go,
Speaker 1: you got a kicker. I mean, well, he's a great
Speaker 1: job with all the stuff they bring in, but he's
Speaker 1: like a get a kicker. Yeah. I mean there's only
Speaker 1: thirty two of these jobs, so I mean there's you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who have whether they're good
Speaker 1: and reliable is another. A lot of teams have two though, Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this team relies on tight, close games more than anybody.
Speaker 1: Thirt say, thirteen to the sixteen came down to a
Speaker 1: touchdown or less. Unbelievable. Yeah, I mean this coach has
Speaker 1: been good this career, his career here, he's had a
Speaker 1: lot of wins when it's been really, really really close,
Speaker 1: a lot of wins. Yeah, it's a good point. You
Speaker 1: know what he's been. He's been okay in those close games.
Speaker 1: The only one I can remember missing was the one
Speaker 1: against Washington, and that's the three he made it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they moved him back and it hit the upright.
Speaker 1: It was more down the stretch. He missed the field
Speaker 1: goals down the stretch. It's like the middle of game
Speaker 1: that you can't miss. You can't miss an extra point.
Speaker 1: I just would hate this coaching staff to lose their job.
Speaker 1: And Rob said it the best this division can hinge
Speaker 1: on one game, and you don't want to have a
Speaker 1: chance to beat the Washington Redskins in Washington and have
Speaker 1: another situation where you miss a field goal and it
Speaker 1: costs you and then then at the end of the
Speaker 1: day or at the end of the season, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Now you got to go on the road and play
Speaker 1: at or instead of being at home and playing a
Speaker 1: game that's I don't think it's very good. You know.
Speaker 1: That's why Jason answered that question the way he did yesterday.
Speaker 1: We got to give him more opportunities to continue to
Speaker 1: try and improve because he knows there's nothing else out there.
Speaker 1: I don't and they don't hear any confidence in there's
Speaker 1: redfing So yeah, so they're right about that. So if
Speaker 1: and he kicked what five or six yesterday, But it
Speaker 1: has not been consistent overall in camp for the most part.
Speaker 1: So if over four preseason games, if there's a kick
Speaker 1: to be made, it's Maher kicking it. Let's hope absolutely.
Speaker 1: Maher didn't last year in the San Francisco game, Maher
Speaker 1: missed the field goal at the end. Then San Francisco
Speaker 1: took the ball and drove the length of the field
Speaker 1: for the game winning touchdown. I don't recall that. I
Speaker 1: trust you, Yeah that happened. If I could be part
Speaker 1: of the game here do it again? They want to know, Okay,
Speaker 1: talk about bringing your a game. Jordan Lewis pushing Anthony Brown?
Speaker 1: Do either one of those guys need to bring a
Speaker 1: game or do we know enough about them? They're both
Speaker 1: on the team. They're on the team. But but as
Speaker 1: he pushing is okay? Then about this question? Then, is
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis pushing Anthony Brown for more playing time for
Speaker 1: that sycle side? I mean, just judging off what we see,
Speaker 1: there are times when you know they're going three corners
Speaker 1: out there Lewis as at the right cornerback spot and
Speaker 1: Brown will go inside. But they flipping it almost daily.
Speaker 1: No I'm saying. But I'm saying, is that an indication
Speaker 1: that maybe there is a little bit of a competition
Speaker 1: there for who's the third corner Byron Jones? Before Byron
Speaker 1: Jones is starting week one a woozier on the left side,
Speaker 1: your nickel is going to be Anthony Brown. That's what
Speaker 1: I think this. I think that's why the question was asked.
Speaker 1: I would lean towards that as well, but I'm just saying, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: Jordan had a pick yesterday and seven one. He's he's
Speaker 1: been guy here competing and playing well so and against
Speaker 1: some really good receivers too. I talked to him yesterday
Speaker 1: and he just kind of went down the line of
Speaker 1: guys you're having to line up against every day. Gallop
Speaker 1: in those guys, some of the young guys, Tavon Um.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a good depth battle there. I know
Speaker 1: you like Anthony Brown, but I think we all like
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. Lewis is a guy that has taken advantage
Speaker 1: of his snaps when he's gotten him. They've been kind
Speaker 1: of few and far between, though. Yeah, Mickey, Mickey's staying firm.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna he's not gonna give up on Anthony Brown. Player. Okay,
Speaker 1: no argument, but either way it works out. It's a
Speaker 1: very good fourth corner in case somebody gets hurt absolutely
Speaker 1: or if Byron Jones isn't ready to go, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like he's getting close. I was talking to the
Speaker 1: guy that they have um that Byron brought in. He
Speaker 1: works him out as a cornerback, not physically, but and
Speaker 1: he said he's really and everything that that they could
Speaker 1: expect him to do this recent from hip surgery. So
Speaker 1: that's a good sign. You mentioned Reggie Davis, Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he comes to mind as a guy like one with
Speaker 1: the lights coming on, because I just always go back
Speaker 1: to Andy Jones a few years ago as Jones that
Speaker 1: out here, oh my, all Valley Ranch, all Ranch, all
Speaker 1: Oxenard lights come on. It's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: different story. And Reggie Davis has been among the more
Speaker 1: impressive receivers we've seen in camp just in terms of
Speaker 1: catching everything. His top line speed. What do you think, Mick, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Reggie Davis, John Vay Johnson, Jalen Guiten, Cedric Wilson. You
Speaker 1: can put all four of those guys in that boat
Speaker 1: to take Tavon Austin out, you think, No, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about that. But if they keep six, then there's
Speaker 1: there's four guys right there for two spots. See this
Speaker 1: is where now I see if they keep Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: as is he the fifth guy? Because you probably feel
Speaker 1: like that they're gonna keep to keep your big wide
Speaker 1: receiver there, Noah Brown. I have my doubts on that
Speaker 1: right now? Do you really? Why? Okay? I'm just can
Speaker 1: we go? Here we go? This will be fun, and
Speaker 1: this will be fun because if Noah Brown stays because
Speaker 1: a big body guy and special teams and all that
Speaker 1: because they like him and all. Okay, I agree with you,
Speaker 1: because you're right. But did he cut you off coming
Speaker 1: out of the Star parking lot one day or something? No? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: what happened? Here we go? No? Wait, tell me what
Speaker 1: he's done? See, that's that's he's not wrong. But see
Speaker 1: do you see them keeping two undersized receivers? If you
Speaker 1: Tavon and Reggie, do you see them do it? That's
Speaker 1: why I've been saying all camp, Reggie Davis has got
Speaker 1: to show you something on punt return, something else, to
Speaker 1: stand out in a role, because somebody's got to beat
Speaker 1: Tavon Awsome. Because I don't think Mickey, I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with you about Noah Brown, but I'll say this though,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown is like gum on their shoe. He's not
Speaker 1: coming off the shoe, and he's he's you talk to people.
Speaker 1: He's pretty, not pretty, he's entrenched. He's entrenched in there,
Speaker 1: and and there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys like you just named him all you named all
Speaker 1: those young wide receivers, and I oft, let me tell
Speaker 1: you another thing is gonna happen. And and suddenly Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson's wis in the bear and I could play in
Speaker 1: the slide. Let me tell you this though. Get ready,
Speaker 1: you can start asking these coaches questions about these receivers
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna tell you anything about it, right,
Speaker 1: because what's gonna happen. We're getting closer to the we'll
Speaker 1: get closer to the cuts and say they play well
Speaker 1: or they're practicing well, yes, Sanjay lyle about these receivers.
Speaker 1: They're doing okay, it's hiding time. They're doing okay, they
Speaker 1: do not It's like it's like been Bloom talking about linebackers,
Speaker 1: young guys doing well. Well, what about what about Hally Hall.
Speaker 1: He's learning, he's getting better. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 1: no there's no early in camp. It's like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: really excited. Da da da dah. Now it's like he's good,
Speaker 1: he's doing fine, he's learning. Yeah, he plays because because
Speaker 1: nobody wants to be the guy that all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: some he's in New Orleans. That guy in New Orleans
Speaker 1: watches everything, reads everything. Well there's a ten man practice squad. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like they trust us. No, I don't think they do. No.
Speaker 1: I mean the people in New Orleans when we talk
Speaker 1: about Rachie Davis. Oh, let me tell you this, Sean
Speaker 1: Payton knows we're smart. Sean Payton, I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: tell you how many times and again that's my relationship
Speaker 1: with him. Well, you guys do a good job down there.
Speaker 1: I love training camp. I love guy and the guy
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia that does radio for him, and the analyst,
Speaker 1: the former player Mike Quick, Mike my Quick? Was it
Speaker 1: Mike Quick? It's Merrill reason Mike Quick? Okay? And I
Speaker 1: I was with the follow me on Twitter. I was
Speaker 1: with him on the elevator at at and Stadium at
Speaker 1: and T Stadium going up and he turned it and
Speaker 1: I said, oh, we're and I saw his badge and interview.
Speaker 1: He goes, I know who you are. He goes, we
Speaker 1: we I listened to your guys podcast. You guys do
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Speaker 1: Your responsibility is check out everybody else's whip. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, man, the head coach of the Saints has
Speaker 1: called me about that training camp live before. I love it,
Speaker 1: but you know, at least I mean, you see, that's
Speaker 1: what we get to do for everybody. Yeah, we could
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Speaker 1: really appreciate that you get a kick out of that.
Speaker 1: Uh that phrase, I love It is actually a really
Speaker 1: good phrase. He said it again on NFL Network. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got it figured out because that's a perfect way
Speaker 1: to describe what the problem they're doing. And it's not
Speaker 1: just those three guys, it's all the other guys next year,
Speaker 1: it's the it's it's better than saying we're trying to
Speaker 1: divide up the pie. You know, that's no. He encapsulated
Speaker 1: everything that was said there. You got a question on
Speaker 1: another radio station today, what's up with Zeke? Nothing? That
Speaker 1: was very shortest answer you ever gave. Huh, I did?
Speaker 1: I mean? What else was I gonna say? Not talking?
Speaker 1: But Steven's the way out right, We're not talk They
Speaker 1: won't call me back. You think maybe things Stephen talks
Speaker 1: about things being different we get back to Frisco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we we're seeing different in Frisco because we're getting
Speaker 1: closer to games. Yeah, we deadline or we just don't
Speaker 1: want to could we could we be a situation? We
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it anymore. If you're Dakmar.
Speaker 1: Two years ago with Zach Martin, he decided to table
Speaker 1: talks until after the season because they couldn't get a
Speaker 1: deal done in training camp and he didn't want to
Speaker 1: think about it. So now, I don't know if they'd
Speaker 1: want to do that. I mean, I think Zeke wants
Speaker 1: his contract. Oh no, I didn't. I didn't put Zeke
Speaker 1: in that conversation. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean that's something
Speaker 1: I think it is sort of an artificial deadline in
Speaker 1: some cases, right Mick. I mean, if you want to
Speaker 1: get something done before the games, or if you want
Speaker 1: to get paid, yeah, leave a lot of money on
Speaker 1: the table. Give up two hundred and twenty four thousand
Speaker 1: dollars you could. I could. No, I'm talking much work
Speaker 1: as I'm talking for Dak and Amari too. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, before the games start, and there is an
Speaker 1: injury risk once the games start. I mean you'd want it.
Speaker 1: You want that financial security if you can, right well,
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't mean it. If somebody put that
Speaker 1: signing bonus on the table for me and I'm getting
Speaker 1: it before I really have to get it, I'd have
Speaker 1: to consider I can't worry about the package. I got
Speaker 1: to consider getting that signing bonus right now. And here's
Speaker 1: what's happening with signing bonuses because of that that twenty
Speaker 1: percent rule on the base salaries, the signing bonuses aren't
Speaker 1: as high anymore, and so so they could when you
Speaker 1: pro rate it, you won't have as much dead money.
Speaker 1: So I'm putting more of that money in the base salaries,
Speaker 1: in the future base salaries, but the base salaries for
Speaker 1: this year count. So that's why these packages when people
Speaker 1: talk package, Okay, it's a four year deal or five
Speaker 1: year deal, but it's really a five year or six
Speaker 1: year deal if you count the base salary in the
Speaker 1: season you're in, when they're still it's still on the books.
Speaker 1: You don't just tear that up, right, So you got
Speaker 1: to be careful. But again, yeah, if that if that
Speaker 1: signing bonus, if there's a twenty million dollars signing bonus
Speaker 1: out there, what's twenty million dollars in the Goofy bank?
Speaker 1: Yeah for a year? Yeah right, yeah, twenty million because
Speaker 1: you don't need it. That's you know, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I understand what I do get what Zeke's trying to do,
Speaker 1: because again, they're they're in a situation now where say it,
Speaker 1: whether the league or whatever it is. But I can't
Speaker 1: believe that you would devalue the running back position. Not
Speaker 1: to me, I wouldn't devalue it because I think it's important.
Speaker 1: I've seen teams. I've seen teams have great success moving
Speaker 1: the football because of quality running backs. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I just think that that's especially in the playoffs. You
Speaker 1: gotta be able to run the ball. You gotta be
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to just you gotta be able
Speaker 1: to move chains is what you gotta be able to do.
Speaker 1: You got to convert and you know it's harder to
Speaker 1: move the ball. It's hard. But again, when you talk
Speaker 1: about devaluing the running back position, I guarantee you they're
Speaker 1: offering a more than twelve point two five million a
Speaker 1: year question. That's what girlies garing tea comes out at
Speaker 1: twelve point two five. I'm totally with you on that.
Speaker 1: I just I just feel like though that the the guys,
Speaker 1: the analytics guys and gals that do this for a living,
Speaker 1: if that's if they're trying to devalue the position, I
Speaker 1: I don't agree with them. I'm not going to fight
Speaker 1: those guys on that because I believe in what I believe,
Speaker 1: you know, and they have their say I have my
Speaker 1: saying it. But if you if you're telling me I
Speaker 1: have to play without Ezekiel Elliott or leaveon Bell or
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley or you know that's that's that's how people say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: look what did the Rams did? The Rams did that
Speaker 1: last year because of their offensive line. They did I
Speaker 1: think because of their play caller was outstanding and they
Speaker 1: have outstanding weapons around. And now if you feel the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can can function that way with the first time
Speaker 1: play caller, then by all means they don't, then don't
Speaker 1: pay Zeke. I don't. I don't think the Cowboys devalue
Speaker 1: that position, or they would not have drafted Zeke in
Speaker 1: the fourth overall selection question. I mean they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done it. They would they would have taken them back
Speaker 1: in the third, fourth round. Uh. It just comes down
Speaker 1: to distribution dilemma. That's when it comes down to, how
Speaker 1: can we keep enough money spread around? Pay these guys fairly,
Speaker 1: but keep them enough money spread around and pay And
Speaker 1: it's not really about this year's cap. It's about future caps. Two.
Speaker 1: You don't don't come in here and tell me, Okay,
Speaker 1: they got twenty four million, they can do this. That's
Speaker 1: not about this year. It's about next year and the
Speaker 1: next year when those base salaries now kick in and
Speaker 1: they go higher, and then the salary cap hit goes
Speaker 1: higher and higher and higher, and that eliminates the distribution
Speaker 1: for the other guys. One transaction around the league, Duke
Speaker 1: Johnson got traded from Cleveland today to Houston. Yeah, Houston
Speaker 1: was looking for a back situation. What they get third
Speaker 1: round pick is what it was. Yeah, conditional forty was
Speaker 1: wasn't he conditional fourth next year? That can move come
Speaker 1: with three? According to ESPN? Right, Yeah, absolutely, so he
Speaker 1: was a third round pick? Is that right? I want
Speaker 1: to say he was a third round pick out of Miami. Yes,
Speaker 1: somewhere in that sixty eight sixty seven range, somewhere right
Speaker 1: around there. So kind of a run at running backs
Speaker 1: at that time, I believe. Yeah, dude, Johnson, nice player,
Speaker 1: a good get for the Texans, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien and those guys that that's a team. We
Speaker 1: saw her own eyes last year. Running game would help
Speaker 1: that guy. I mean he took a pounding, he did track, right, Yeah, dude, Well,
Speaker 1: Duke Johnson was no Duke Johnson's got years left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just was going to get less time of playing,
Speaker 1: you know, and him and John Dorsey really weren't seeing
Speaker 1: eye to eye, and he made that known. He came
Speaker 1: out in the OTAs and said, I really don't want
Speaker 1: to be here. I don't want to play. So, you know,
Speaker 1: the Texans, their running back situation not great. They went
Speaker 1: out and get a galley. Duke Johnson's a pretty versatile player.
Speaker 1: And it didn't help that Baker Mayfield spoke out about
Speaker 1: him needing to get in here and the team guy
Speaker 1: quarterback can't do that. I think he learned. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: see how Dak handles it right. You have to be
Speaker 1: careful you want it because if the guy comes back.
Speaker 1: You can't have a bad relationship with teammates. No, you
Speaker 1: can't know and especially the quarterback. Yeah, when the when
Speaker 1: the bridge is burned, the bridge is burned. You got
Speaker 1: to move on. And John Dorsey saw that, He saw
Speaker 1: what was happening to Duke Johnson and said, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's let's move on before this turns into something worse
Speaker 1: than our locker room. He's got enough problems with Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham being there. That's gonna be interesting for a first
Speaker 1: year head coach, you know, and to handle that. There's
Speaker 1: Freddy Kitchens. I like Freddy Kitchens, nice man. Funny guy.
Speaker 1: But I'm a little bit worried about a guy a personality,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean to turn this into Brown's talk,
Speaker 1: but no, there's some strong personalities. Be honest. I'm glad
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham's out of this division. I mean, I really am.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't have to worry about him anymore,
Speaker 1: thank god. You know he could still make play. You
Speaker 1: just got to stay away from other people's money. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's true. All right, So what was the movie other
Speaker 1: people's other never mind? Go now, go ahead, try to
Speaker 1: figure that out. Greece, Greece. I just threw like the
Speaker 1: default answer. Yeah, I just I could have thrown out Jaws,
Speaker 1: yea Godfather. I'm just kind of thrown out a lot
Speaker 1: of things, et et something. Yeah, I'm still on all
Speaker 1: these movies. I'm not even thinking now, So you guys
Speaker 1: go ahead, Okay, okay, As we look towards practice stuff
Speaker 1: fire good movie. Um, they'll do a little prep for
Speaker 1: San Francisco. But obviously there's not a huge game plan here.
Speaker 1: It's more about player evaluation. Yeah, that'll be a little
Speaker 1: bit of today's practice. I can kind of tell you
Speaker 1: what today's practice is gonna look like, if you go
Speaker 1: ahead in it, I know we have. We're gonna see
Speaker 1: cards and see cards. You're right making, But you know
Speaker 1: what you do. You see who's running the cards, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who's gonna probably play, maybe a quarterback
Speaker 1: and all those I mean, who's running against the cards.
Speaker 1: He's gonna gets cards up Brian Brother's head. Wednesday schedule
Speaker 1: in his pockets. That is a fail. Who knows what
Speaker 1: day it is? That is a fail. I had Thursdays
Speaker 1: in my pocket. I must have left at my desk.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that, folks. But it's gonna be short
Speaker 1: of practice. Yeah, there'll be a period of defense and
Speaker 1: a period of offense against the cards, just to give
Speaker 1: him something that San Francisco might throw at him, Garrett,
Speaker 1: and you never know. Garrett said he wanted to give
Speaker 1: his guys a chance, right because he says, we get
Speaker 1: some pass happy or blitz happy coordinators in this league.
Speaker 1: So you guys mentioned the quarterbacks earlier. Yeah, White and
Speaker 1: Rush competing for the number two spot. I don't believe
Speaker 1: we've seen Mike White in second team much, if at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, how much is he two days ago? He
Speaker 1: got someone, he got some work he got. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look at the at the young guys scrimmage,
Speaker 1: all the blue white, the tim plays they had in
Speaker 1: blue white right to play it out. He took the hole.
Speaker 1: He took the whole shebang there. How do you think
Speaker 1: Rush has looked the last few days, because we'll probably
Speaker 1: see a vast majority of him on Saturday night. Man,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what two days he had back to
Speaker 1: back days we're throwing it well. And then he had
Speaker 1: the two interception day where uh you know, he a
Speaker 1: Lumba got him on an interception down and then also
Speaker 1: then Justin Phillips got him on his own drop on
Speaker 1: down in the red zone. So, uh, he had a
Speaker 1: couple of passes yesterday that we're across the middle that
Speaker 1: we're going to be contested that were high, and he
Speaker 1: threw one that I didn't think he even had a
Speaker 1: chance to get there. So Mike White Rush some good,
Speaker 1: some bad, more good from Cooper Rush than bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Mike White finally showed yesterday that he could be
Speaker 1: Mike White of Western Kentucky, which I thought was a
Speaker 1: really nice football player. All right, Well, well, uh, the
Speaker 1: games are where it's really counting for those guys, and
Speaker 1: we're almost there. One more practice before the Cowboys head
Speaker 1: to San Francisco to take on the forty nine Ers
Speaker 1: in the preseason opener. Appreciate you guys join us. When
Speaker 1: are we back tomorrow? Are we back tomorrow? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think we got Yea said we're gonna go tomorrow shows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll keep what I wanted to know. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll keep talking some Cowboys now, you guys know. And
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