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Speaker 2: A couple of things bouncing around in the NFL. About

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Speaker 2: a year.

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Speaker 1: Ago, I kind of suggested if I was the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: with all the money they have on defense, I'd shop

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Speaker 1: around TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt.

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Speaker 1: He's mostly healthy, great lineage, and the family's a great player.

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Speaker 1: Eric Mangini disagrees with me. But my take is they've

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Speaker 1: got so much money on defense, if you can get

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Speaker 1: a couple of second round picks, I'd go for it. Well,

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Speaker 1: now there are stories that the Steelers are at least,

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Speaker 1: you know, taking phone calls. Albert Breer joins us Live.

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Speaker 2: Listen. If you look at the division with.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, obviously Cleveland's going to go, and

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Speaker 1: then they got two first, they're going for a quarterback

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Speaker 1: next year, you're kind of unsettled at quarterback. My take is,

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Speaker 1: there's about I said this yesterday. Albert there's about seven quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: there's about eight left tackles, and about five or six

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Speaker 1: defensive linemen, mostly young Jalen Carter, Jared Verse, Miles Garrett's

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Speaker 1: not young that I just I'm not taking a phone

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Speaker 1: call on I take a phone call on Michael Parsons

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Speaker 1: because I'm overpaying Deck. So my take is thirty year

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Speaker 1: old T J. Watt, Yeah, I'm going to take a

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Speaker 1: phone call. What are your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 3: I think it would make sense if they were in

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Speaker 3: a different spot as a team, But so much of

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Speaker 3: the idea of just acquiring Aaron Rodgers in the first

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Speaker 3: place was tied to getting the most out of the

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Speaker 3: core that they had in place, and they've been competitive

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Speaker 3: with over the last few years, and it was just

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Speaker 3: the idea of trading for draft picks would fly in

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Speaker 3: the face of why you acquired Rogers in the first place,

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Speaker 3: you know. So, I think if they were again, if

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Speaker 3: they had made the decision that say like Miami made

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Speaker 3: to retool the way that the Miami has this offseason,

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Speaker 3: or the way San Francisco has retooled this offseason, you

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Speaker 3: might look at it as an opportunity to get a

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Speaker 3: lot of capital back and really kind of juice, you know,

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Speaker 3: a rebuild or a retooling of your roster. But that's

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Speaker 3: not the spot Pittsburgh's in right now. And so, you know,

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Speaker 3: I just look at that roster and I see Jalen

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Speaker 3: Ramsey and Darius Slay and Aaron Rodgers and even dk

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Speaker 3: metcalf as an older twenty seven year old because he's

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Speaker 3: on his third contract now and he's been a little

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Speaker 4: Cam Hayward's at the very end of his career.

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Speaker 3: You just look around there and it's like, well, why

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Speaker 3: do you have all of those guys in the first

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Speaker 3: place if you're going to get rid of the best

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Speaker 3: one of them.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I think for the spot the Steelers are in

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Speaker 3: right now, they need TJ. Watt, And I think the

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Speaker 3: presence of Aaron Rodgers is something that Watt's been waiting

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Speaker 3: for since the retirement of Ben Rothger. So I think

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Speaker 3: it's one of those situations where you can see where

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Speaker 3: if one or the other were in a different spot,

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Speaker 3: a trade would make sense. This would make sense to

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Speaker 3: the point to separate. But I think the two of them,

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Speaker 3: as it stands right now, need each other too much

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Speaker 1: So why are the Jets They just gave a new

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Speaker 1: message the Jets are sending? Why?

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Speaker 2: Now, I get the players, but what's the message.

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Speaker 3: Well, both those guys had a really strong spring, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I think there's a message there that we are

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Speaker 3: going to reward people who do it the right way.

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Speaker 3: And I think for Aaron Glenn and for Darren Moosey,

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Speaker 3: If you buy into the way that we're doing things,

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Speaker 3: the Jets going forward. That's not a roster devoided talent.

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Speaker 3: There's the basis of a really good defense. Quentyn Williams,

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Speaker 2: These are all.

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Speaker 3: Guys that the new regime inherited. So if you want

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Speaker 3: You get through the spring you say, we really believe

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Speaker 3: Wilson and Sauce are the first two examples of it.

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Speaker 1: Hey there was there are you know, this is the

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Speaker 1: silly season that you know, little breadcrumbs of information leak out.

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Speaker 1: And I saw the Nick Saban rumors. Lane Kiffin knows them.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll come back, and I don't think. I

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Speaker 1: think NFL football is actually easier to coach, as long

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Speaker 1: as you don't get a crazy owner. And I also

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Speaker 1: think because of the NIL you can't just fire co

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Speaker 1: just like you used to. Teams that are going to

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Speaker 1: boosters they need fifteen to eighteen million for NIL money.

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Speaker 1: They're not paying sixty two million to get rid of

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly. You're seventy million to get rid of Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 1: So there's not going to be any openings at the

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Speaker 1: best positions. And Ryan Day's not going anywhere, and Dan

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Speaker 1: Lanning's crushing it and starts doing well in link. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing Kaylin de bor is going to turn it around

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Speaker 1: this year. Do you think somebody would take a call

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Speaker 1: on Saban in the NFL?

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Speaker 4: You mean somebody would make a call on Saban?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, I mean I do. I think.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's been what I think now eighteen years

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Speaker 3: since Saban left the Dolphins to go to go to Alabama,

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Speaker 3: and one thing I've learned in covering the league over

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Speaker 3: all of that time is no one thought the guy

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Speaker 3: couldn't coach, Like the idea that the guy couldn't scheme

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Speaker 3: at an NFL level, couldn't lead at an NFL level

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Speaker 3: that way that was had zero to do.

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Speaker 4: It is why it didn't work.

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Speaker 3: It was because of the program, and it was it

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Speaker 3: was demanding, and the quarterback situation didn't didn't work out

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Speaker 3: because of the way he had his program set up

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Speaker 3: back then. It was sort of this old school type

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Speaker 3: of deal where if you don't win quickly. If you

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Speaker 3: don't give players results quickly, they're going to tire of

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Speaker 3: that pretty quickly. And what have we seen Nick do

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Speaker 4: Seventeen eighteen years.

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Speaker 3: He constantly adapts, you know, Like what a Nick Saban

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Speaker 4: Smith were running all over the place, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean. So he's adaptable, he's a really good football coach.

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Speaker 4: He's well respected.

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Speaker 3: I think it'd be a little bit like Belichick in

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Speaker 3: this way, and almost like when Tom Brady was a

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Speaker 3: free agent, right, it would be a very narrow group

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Speaker 3: of teams that would be looking at the idea of

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Speaker 3: hiring him, Like you need to have a quarterback, you

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Speaker 3: need to live in a need to be in a

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Speaker 3: part of the country he was comfortable with, and you

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Speaker 3: would need to have a win now roster. But if

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Speaker 3: you have those three things in place, I mean, like

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Speaker 3: he's around the same age Pete Carroll. So if you're

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Speaker 3: an owner looking for credibility, it makes sense to hire

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Speaker 3: Nick Saban, Like if you've lost credibility in your market

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Speaker 3: and you feel like you've not You've got to find

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Speaker 3: a way to get it back fast. Hiring Nick Saban

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Speaker 3: could be a way to do that, and maybe it

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Speaker 3: would for all the reasons you laid out in the

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Speaker 3: difference between college and the pros, appeal to Nick to

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna throw this at you, Albert, and you

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Speaker 1: have a sense of history.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 1: So he's the greatest college football coach of all time.

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Speaker 1: He goes to ESPN for a couple of years and

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Speaker 1: he's been an absolute home run as an analyst. Got

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Speaker 1: a little itch and there's he's not going to Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: But Bryan Schottenheimer is over his skis, and Jerry Jones says,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want one of these NFL egos.

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Speaker 1: I you know what Jerry likes to do. He likes

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Speaker 1: to hire guys where they feel like they owe him

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Speaker 1: a little. And Jerry could go to Saban and go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this Schottenneimery thing doesn't work. Jaden Daniels and Jalen Hurts,

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Speaker 1: I need a guy that knows college personnel. I'm just saying, Dallas,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Staman would go to New York. But

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Speaker 1: if you're talking about guy just just ego, best college

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Speaker 1: He's still youthful, sharp as attack the Dallas Cowboys call.

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Speaker 2: He's not taking that call.

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Speaker 3: It makes some sense for sure, you know, and I

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Speaker 3: guess geographic is not all that far from true where

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Giants are always going to be interesting because,

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Speaker 3: as you know, I'm sure Colin like the Maras were

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Speaker 3: about twenty years ago. The Cowboys are interesting because they

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Speaker 3: do have a lot of win now elements, and he

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Speaker 3: interesting because I think, you know, like the one thing

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Speaker 3: about Dallas that people misunderstand is, yes, Jerry's involved in football,

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Speaker 3: but the coach is involved in scouting too, Like the

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Speaker 3: coach is involved in putting the team together, and that's

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Speaker 3: always been the way that it's been run there in

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Speaker 3: Clay does a great job, but they've always involved the

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Speaker 3: it's why they've been able to put some really coherent

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Speaker 3: rosters over the last twenty years, you know, really going

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Speaker 3: back to when Parcels was there. The one question for

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Speaker 3: me is the spotlight factor, right, And I think if

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Speaker 3: Jerry was going to do this, part of it would

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Speaker 3: be are you willing to take a back seat and

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Speaker 3: see if Nick Saban can come and do it?

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Speaker 4: But for a lot of different reasons, it does make sense.

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Speaker 3: So look, I think Schtenheimer is going to do a

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Speaker 3: better job than most people do. But I mean, I

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Speaker 3: just think if you if you want to line the

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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep this tape.

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Speaker 1: Let's archive this, guys, because we may we may have

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Speaker 1: All right, by the way, here's my college football national

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Speaker 1: That Penn State Ohio State game is gonna be won

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Speaker 1: All right, here is Jmac, hopefully with an update on

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Speaker 1: the Bradley Beal Championship parade.

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Speaker 2: With the news, No, no turn on the news.

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Speaker 6: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 5: Hearing you and Breer Wax philosophic about college football.

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Speaker 8: Man, I got some good nuggets headlines Friday. Okay, just

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Speaker 8: stick around. Gonna be a good one for college football.

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Speaker 5: Let's start here with Ben Johnson colin his plans for

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Speaker 5: the offense in Detroit. I'm sorry in Chicago dropped and

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Speaker 5: he let everybody in on a little secret. This is

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Speaker 5: Johnson said, We're gonna tailor this right around Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 5: It will not necessarily be what you've seen from the

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Speaker 1: Well, you have to figure out if he can play.

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Speaker 1: So let's just figure out if he can play it.

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Speaker 1: Like I always say, when you draft a quarterback and

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Speaker 2: Load up the offense if.

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Speaker 1: You have, don't you don't want to be ambivalent about

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Speaker 1: to me, this is the way to do this offense

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Speaker 5: So when you hear this, Taylor to the quarterback. So

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Speaker 5: what he didn't do well last year was a void sacks.

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Speaker 5: He took seventy nine sacks and giveaways.

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Speaker 8: Last year, Colin. That's unacceptable for a quarterback.

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Speaker 5: So my guess is they're gonna do a lot more

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Speaker 5: three step and get rid of it right, read and react.

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Speaker 5: We do not want you holding the ball, Caleb. That's

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Speaker 8: Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Speed it up.

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Speaker 1: I mean one of the great gifts. Brady had got

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Speaker 8: Sixty eight secs, eleven giveaways last year from Caleb. That's

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Speaker 5: Next up, Colin Bummer News Caitlin Clark last night did

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Speaker 8: It looks like she's not doing great.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess I don't know how it compares because

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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm shooting off a rack, and I know

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And that final story is the Suns and Bradley

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Speaker 8: Bradley Beil's won of them.

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Speaker 5: Oh, you can say that garbage all you want, but

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Speaker 5: he's that He's actually.

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Speaker 2: Just gonna be deceiving. Stats are deceiving.

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Speaker 1: How many people want Carl Anthony towns Sibonis really an

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Speaker 1: elite player like that? You can make a lot of well,

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Speaker 1: how many people have not cross locked in a month?

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Speaker 2: No speeding tickets. They're Mario ANDRETTI.

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Speaker 1: Let's slow down on cultivating some rando as to make

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Speaker 1: me think Bradley Beal is Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 8: Watch Houston in the last two years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's because everybody's on Booker and Kevin Durant and

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Speaker 1: he's wide open.

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Speaker 5: Well, everybody's gonna be on Kawhi and Harden and he's

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Speaker 5: gonna be wide open. Everybody would have been on Luca

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Speaker 5: and Lebron. I'm just saying I think this is a

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Speaker 5: huge win. I know he's only a three time All

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Speaker 5: Star and he's made All NBA.

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Speaker 8: I think once is like a third teamer.

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Speaker 5: But I think you're way undervaluing deal and even eighth man.

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Speaker 5: I'm not just saying this because he went to the Lakers,

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Speaker 5: but at eight million dollars, that is a steal.

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Speaker 8: Colin you Ego Bear's clocking like, listen, thirty five million dollars.

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Speaker 2: I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about value. Give me talent. You're you're

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Speaker 1: into value, and I go when I go to a

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Speaker 1: grocery store, Listen, they're day old bagels, but they're almost free.

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Speaker 1: Give me the fresh ones. I don't care about value,

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Speaker 1: Give me better players.

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Speaker 8: Comparing food to NBA contracts, now call it.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a value guy. I don't care about value.

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Speaker 1: I want players. I look at Oklahoma City, I look

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Speaker 1: at Indiana, I look at Dallas. I need more elite

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Speaker 1: players in their prime that can play eighty two games.

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Speaker 5: By the way, isn't this isn't value similar to Hey,

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Speaker 5: I could sign it with a Florida team and pay

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Speaker 5: no taxes, or I go to a California team and

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Speaker 5: pay a ton of taxes.

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Speaker 8: Isn't that value as well?

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Speaker 1: Called you know what's not winning NBA championships value contracts.

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Speaker 2: That's not your kitch.

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Speaker 1: You're not getting yo kitch is great and you pay

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Speaker 1: a lot and SGA and Jay Dubb and Cheded Holging

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Speaker 1: really good and you're paying max value.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't I mean it's.

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Speaker 1: I think it's great that you're getting value with Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 1: He's also one of the best small finishers in the

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Speaker 1: last ten years in the league. I'm much more into

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Speaker 1: his game than I am his value. You're not going

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Speaker 1: to get Navidia at value as a stock. I think

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Speaker 1: you should own it. I don't know if I'm getting

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Speaker 1: value on it. I just think with AI going forward,

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Speaker 1: they're new deal potentially with China, you should own that

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Speaker 1: stock over the next ten years.

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Speaker 2: I don't, You're not going to get any value on it.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Warren Buffett, thanks for that stock tip.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 2: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 8: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves had one of the best value contracts in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Did you watch him against the t Wolves? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How that value thing work out for you? I mean,

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Speaker 1: get me players, it's hurt.

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Speaker 6: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 6: and noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: So one of the annoying traits of J Mack is

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Speaker 1: that he he overreacts to a good or a marginal player.

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Speaker 1: So I come in like Rock Purty, he's a good player,

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Speaker 1: you know the NFL execs, scouts, coaches polled.

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Speaker 2: He's not in the top ten. He's probably closer to fifteen.

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Speaker 1: But then I have to come in and sound like

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Speaker 1: a hater when I really don't hate Rock Purty. But

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Speaker 1: that's what people think. In my take is I think

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Speaker 1: he's fine. I think Kyle Shanahan and Chris McCaffrey. You know,

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Speaker 1: last year when McCaffrey's not around, what was his record?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't very good. And if it's overcast and Misty

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Speaker 1: suddenly can't hold onto the ball. So same with Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 1: I like Austin Reeves. He's undrafted. He's a nice player,

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Speaker 1: he should be at number four and a great team.

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Speaker 1: He's not as good as Derek White, who I would

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Speaker 1: trade Austin Reeves for in like fifteen seconds.

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Speaker 2: But Austin Reeves a good player.

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Speaker 1: But Austin Reeves thinks I hate him because Jamack has

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Speaker 1: him as like Bill Russell plus Lebron James, like, can

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Speaker 1: we slow down? He's undrafted and he's just he out

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Speaker 1: worked against the Tea Wolves. So I don't even know

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Speaker 1: where this comes from. I always like Bradley Beal. I

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Speaker 1: for years thought Lebron James should go out and play

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Speaker 1: with Bradley Beal. I must have said it a hundred times.

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Speaker 1: But I take a couple of days off and Jamack

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Speaker 1: goes on the air and says this with a straight face.

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Speaker 8: I think it's a no brainer.

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Speaker 5: Lakers get bal to me, they've become right there, one

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Speaker 5: of the favorites in the Western Conference.

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Speaker 2: I don't even you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I give you the microphone for three days,

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Speaker 1: and that's what I get.

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Speaker 2: I've got to react to that.

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Speaker 1: And so basically j Mac thinks this version of the

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Speaker 1: Clippers is going to roll through the NBA. In fact,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the picture, James Harden isn't even

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Speaker 1: you know, he's distracted looking off into the wilderness because

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Speaker 1: he's James Harden. He's not even he's not even like

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Speaker 1: look at him. He's like, I'd rather be somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: The best player there on a nightly basis is the center.

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Speaker 1: So all right, Like he had a great I think

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Speaker 1: he's a really good player. I think Kawhi's an enigma.

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Speaker 1: I think he's talented, but he could call ty Lu

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Speaker 1: at four forty five and go.

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Speaker 2: I've got an ice cream headache. I can't play. So

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what I get with him.

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Speaker 8: All right, So there's a lot here. I wish we

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Speaker 8: had more time.

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Speaker 4: Colin.

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Speaker 5: What we just saw in the NBA this past season

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Speaker 5: is depth and youth are what's winning. In the playoffs,

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Speaker 5: the Pacers had nine ten guys. Yeah, oh, Casey had

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Speaker 5: nine ten guys. When you can get Bradley Beal at

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Speaker 5: five million dollars, you're getting a boy line All Star

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Speaker 5: on the cheap, and it enables you to get a

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Speaker 5: better depth on your bench. So the Clippers you didn't

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Speaker 5: even see in that lineup, Butdanovitch coming off the bench

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Speaker 5: that I started for many years. Brook Lopez is going

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Speaker 5: to be the coming off the bench for them.

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Speaker 8: That's a huge get.

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Speaker 5: Chris Dunn's not terrible Nick Patombs on the French national

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Speaker 5: team Veterano.

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Speaker 8: They're all of a sudden nine or ten deep with

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Speaker 8: the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: You know who won the title this year. The starters

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Speaker 1: for Oklahoma City, not their bench. Bench guys go on

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Speaker 1: the road and they are they are marginalized and reduced

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Speaker 1: overnight role players do not deliver in the postseason, especially

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Speaker 1: on the road.

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Speaker 2: They're good at home.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City was a different team on the road with

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Speaker 1: their great bench.

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Speaker 2: Benches don't win titles.

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Speaker 1: So what wins Susile Shack, Kobe mj Byrd, Magic duncan

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Speaker 1: they Lebron They win titles.

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Speaker 5: The league has changed just a little and youth and

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Speaker 5: depth are what rolled in this postseason. The Indiana Pacers

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Speaker 5: are regretted to they were picking up ninety four feet

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Speaker 5: because guess what, we got ten guys.

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Speaker 8: We can go to the Lakers.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at their depth, Jar right now, Coin again,

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Speaker 5: their bench right now, Gabe Vincent, Jordan Goodwin.

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Speaker 8: You wouldn't know him if he delivered a pizza utio.

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Speaker 1: You think you you think the Lakers are title team.

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Speaker 2: Well, I if they.

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Speaker 5: Had gotten Beal, they would have more depth. Jake la

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Speaker 5: Ravia is like their seventh guy. That's not gonna cut it.

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Speaker 8: They need depth in scoring and I don't have that.

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Speaker 8: You lose Lebron.

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Speaker 1: Nobody listening to this show can possibly think Beal takes

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Speaker 1: the Clippers to a different spot. You are literally on

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Speaker 1: crazy man Island. There's nobody in the world that thinks

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Speaker 1: except you.

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Speaker 2: So you know a lot about you and.

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Speaker 8: I both know some Clippers executives. Okay, they watch this show.

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Speaker 8: You know, Tylu right now is like doing the happy Dance.

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Speaker 8: He's probably gonna put it on Instagram. This is such

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Speaker 8: a steal, ca, How do you not see this?

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Speaker 1: I think Tylu thinks we just got Jessica Bal what's

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Speaker 1: going on here?

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Speaker 2: I got to go to the trade wire.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's a great Jessica Bill reference. I'm a fan

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Speaker 8: of her work obviously.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the Steelers got value in Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: last year.

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Speaker 2: Value.

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Speaker 1: I don't want value in my stocks and in my

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Speaker 1: NBA stars. I don't want value. I want great See

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow,