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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the hiber Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is episode to nine to eight. My name is

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Speaker 1: Brad Rwand and I'm joined today on a Sunday evening

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Speaker 1: like a warm blanket by Scott Coldan Scott, how.

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Speaker 2: Are you hello, Brad? It is good as always to

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Speaker 2: see you, and we've got an action packed show tonight

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Speaker 2: because we're going to talk about the Atlanta Braves bullpen,

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Speaker 2: which is very few players at this point in time,

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Speaker 2: and it is a robust free agent market and there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of different avenues and possibilities the Braves could

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Speaker 2: go with to address the bullpen, and hopefully, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about a lot of names tonight.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully at the end of the day comes spring training.

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Speaker 2: The Braves have added multiple of the arms to really

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Speaker 2: help push this group forward.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we were going to do this show at some

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Speaker 1: point this winter, probably early in the winter, no matter what.

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Speaker 1: And let's just speak, Candid's got nothing has happened around

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Braves in the last few days. If anyone

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Speaker 1: missed it. First of all, please subscribe to Hammer Territory

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Speaker 1: round we're part of the foul Territory network of podcasts.

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Speaker 1: We did three shows last week. You and I did one,

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Speaker 1: Sean and Steven our colleagues did a couple of shows.

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Speaker 1: Please please please subscribe. Catch up on MOSE And there

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Speaker 1: was some news last week that was worth talking about.

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Speaker 1: Something that stuff that Alex said, et cetera. But in

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Speaker 1: the last three days since we did a show, literally

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Speaker 1: nothing has happened newsworthy other than we should at least

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Speaker 1: shout out the great Chadwick Trump is back on a

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Speaker 1: minor league deal. Not like the headline grabbing thing for

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Speaker 1: a show, but hey, welcome back Chadwick. Everyone likes the guy,

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Speaker 1: so welcome back. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If for some reason Sean Murphy is either traded or

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Speaker 2: is not healthy and ready to go on opening day,

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Speaker 2: there's a chance that Chatterick Trump is the backup catcher.

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Speaker 2: But I think in a perpose world we are not

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Speaker 2: hearing about Chadwick Trump a whole lot in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he takes hopefully the Gwinnette catcher role, which is useful.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have that guy around. But anyway, that's the

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Speaker 1: one news item you already teed it up. I want

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Speaker 1: to do kind of a state of the bullpen. You

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Speaker 1: alluded to it before. It's a little bit odd because

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Speaker 1: you know what, I've be talking about the Braves for

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Speaker 1: a long time, especially in the last five six years,

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Speaker 1: the bullpen has been pretty much a strength always for

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Speaker 1: the Braves, even heading into off seasons. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like it's a and Alex tends to invest heavily in

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Speaker 1: the bullpen money wise, resource wise, et cetera. He kind

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Speaker 1: of alluded to this the other day when he talked

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Speaker 1: to the GM meetings about how they need to add

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Speaker 1: multiple relievers. I think we kind of know that right now.

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Speaker 1: And the reason for that is between the guys who

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Speaker 1: were not offered, sorry not how they're options picked up,

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Speaker 1: the fact that the Glacis is a free agent, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: There is I mean, you wrote, you made the note

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Speaker 1: on our doc I'll leave it to you. Is there

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Speaker 1: really there's really one pitcher in the bullpen that's like

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Speaker 2: On November sixteenth, it's pretty much Dylan Lee at this point,

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Speaker 2: if healthy. I think Lee is the only name you

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Speaker 1: If healthy is the big thing? They're on bold if healthy?

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Speaker 2: Right? But you know, other than Lee after the Braves

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Speaker 2: Johnson Man right, Ee Iglesias is a free agent. Joe

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Speaker 2: Jimenez is someone who has not pitched since October of

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Speaker 2: jimenezz availability. You have Aaron Bummer under contract nine and

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Speaker 2: a half million dollars, but I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's also hurt right now. I mean that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You can almost group Jimenez and Bummer together because they're

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Speaker 1: But they're both injured and it's like TVD on all

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Speaker 2: Right, And there were some reasons for concern with Bummer.

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Speaker 2: His velocity was down across the board. And this is

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Speaker 2: And then we talked about Joejimenez. I mean, let's just

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Speaker 2: kind of Alex and Thopless was asked about Joejmenez at

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Speaker 2: relatively noncommittal about Jimenez being available next season. He kind

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Speaker 2: bullpens in Atlanta, but Jimenez never made it all the

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Speaker 1: And that's pretty much it. Yeah, and Joe Amenez like

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Speaker 1: a very underrated pitcher. But that's a huge red flag.

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Speaker 1: I believe that the direct quote was we'll know more

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Speaker 1: but not positive in itself. So yeah, those you got

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Speaker 1: but they have guys that have pitched or that they

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of uncertainty here and that's not unusual.

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Speaker 1: long it's been that bullpen arms are bullpen generally, it's

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Speaker 1: a volatile position, like even the guys who aren't good

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Speaker 1: isn't like a total fave alarm fire. If this is

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Speaker 2: And it's not even Thanksgiving, And yeah, it's a very

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Speaker 2: early good point. As you said off the top, nobody

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Speaker 2: is really signed. There haven't really been any trades, which

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Speaker 2: is an area that Alex and Boppless has been extremely

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Speaker 2: effective in adding relievers by trade have been across the

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Speaker 1: Sis Johnson, bummer Kin Lee, all those guys with traits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even going back a few years, Mark Mullansen and

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Speaker 2: it's something that an thoughtless has done a pretty good

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Speaker 2: jobmenz yep Jojemenez. Right, So you know it's at the

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Speaker 2: having your team set by Thanksgiving. But as we know,

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Speaker 2: you're looking for a short stop, you're looking for a

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Speaker 2: the ninth inning. That's something in Thopless has always invested

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Speaker 2: in always. Mlanson made big money. Well Smith made big money,

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Speaker 2: this is not a position that Nthopless has just kind

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Speaker 2: somebody can't handle the ninth inning. He's prioritized this throughout

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, If anything, I'll raise my hand, Like, if anything,

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Speaker 1: I think Alex has probably overspent on the bullpen in

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Speaker 1: not my money and a pellies are not that big.

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Speaker 1: But Alex is not afraid. I mean, if of all GM,

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Speaker 1: if you could par the Braves payroll allocation to their

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Speaker 1: and it has worked to Alex's credit. The bullpen has

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott, let us dive in. I would say

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Speaker 1: for eighteen versus someone like Rycel for nine or ten, like,

428
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Speaker 1: I'll take byself, Like, but if it's closer, like you said,

429
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Speaker 1: if it's a millionare if it's a million or two,

430
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Speaker 1: then sure pay the extra million, get the better player.

431
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Speaker 1: It's kind of it's nuanced, which I don't people don't

432
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 1: always love nuanced, but that's kind of what it is

433
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Speaker 1: at this point. Anything else to add on Roberts Morrez,

434
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Speaker 1: we can move on. Devon Williams is an interesting name

435
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 1: has not always like he wasn't always the closer last season,

436
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Speaker 1: But Devin Williams has been arguably the best reliever or

437
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Speaker 1: at least one of the best five relievers in baseball

438
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 1: the last half decade or so. Last four seasons combined

439
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: two point six CRA, two point four FIP, and like

440
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: fourteen strikeouts for nine, like just a dominant kind of reliever.

441
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 1: He had a weird he had a weird season last year,

442
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 1: but it was really just a CRA Like everything under

443
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Speaker 1: the hood looks awesome with Dev Williams, and I'm of

444
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Speaker 1: the mind where like, hey, I hope the market doesn't

445
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 1: understand that Devin Williams is the same guy he was before,

446
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: because if they don't, Alex should be on the horn.

447
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: And we know from first hand covering Alex he is

448
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 1: not an e He's not an e RA guy when

449
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: it comes to acquiring pitchers, like he looks well beyond

450
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Speaker 1: what a guy's the RA is, as evidenced by his

451
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Speaker 1: acquises of Rockies pitchers in the past Peters, Johnson, Taller, Kinley,

452
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Speaker 1: Daron Bummer. Also, I would welcome Devin Williams into Atlanta

453
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Speaker 1: with open arms. I would be excited about that.

454
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Speaker 2: Of every name we're going to talk about tonight, and

455
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Speaker 2: just like the pure excitement, like what is Scott Coleman's

456
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Speaker 2: excitement level. I think Devin Williams would probably be my

457
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Speaker 2: number one for the picture I would be most excited about. Now.

458
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Speaker 2: Sure we'd have a real conversation about the contract and

459
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Speaker 2: all of that kind of the objective side of our analysis.

460
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Speaker 2: But Devin Williams, his stuff is so good. He's so

461
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,959
Speaker 2: fun to watch pitch. And yeah, I mean he had

462
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Speaker 2: the fluky year with the pitching for the Yankees, and

463
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 2: anytime you don't get results or even close to not

464
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: getting results in that market, they act like you have

465
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Speaker 2: a fifteen era and you should be demoted to double A.

466
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Speaker 2: But I love Devin Williams. He's so good. He's been

467
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Speaker 2: good for a long time. He's been mostly durable. So

468
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Speaker 2: this group, my favorite pitcher would be Devin Williams. And

469
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Speaker 2: if the Braves add him, I would be ecstatic. Yeah,

470
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Speaker 2: not to go crazy, but ninety nine percent style and

471
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Speaker 2: whift rate just misuspats like crazy big time stuff. Doesn't

472
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Speaker 2: throw as hard as Robert Harris, but like is nastier

473
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Speaker 2: in my opinion as far as Theoto Stuffie does. So

474
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Speaker 2: we won't go along on any of these guys in particular,

475
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Speaker 2: but we agree. I think that would be the excitment

476
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Speaker 2: level would be probably the highest.

477
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Speaker 1: For me as well. On Devin Williams. Listen, let's just

478
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Speaker 1: talk about brucelag Lacis. He's kind of the next guy.

479
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Speaker 1: Proven entity, one of the best relievers in baseball the

480
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Speaker 1: last half decade or so, was awesome with the Braves,

481
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Speaker 1: as noted many times last year, had the hiccup for

482
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Speaker 1: about six weeks and then had an ERA and like

483
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Speaker 1: the low ones after that, was just back to his

484
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,239
Speaker 1: old self and was awesome. In his four years with

485
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Speaker 1: the Braves, he had an ERA of two point thirty

486
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Speaker 1: five that includes last season. Everybody like he has been fantastic.

487
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: He also will be thirty six in January, so there's

488
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Speaker 1: a little bit of the age concern which might which

489
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Speaker 1: might lead to some years not dollars concerns with Rycel.

490
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Speaker 1: And the projection is still like him to make eight figures,

491
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Speaker 1: which I think makes sense, like people might have salar

492
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Speaker 1: on him too much last year. He is still an

493
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Speaker 1: eight figure reliever, like pretty clearly to me. Yeah, we'll

494
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Speaker 1: be more specific I want to ask you this, like,

495
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Speaker 1: what would be a bad contract for Ryce el Glasis

496
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Speaker 1: to come back to Atlanta?

497
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

498
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Speaker 1: Like, what would you be like? What would you like? Ooh,

499
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Speaker 1: that's too much? Because for me it's like I like

500
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Speaker 1: Brycel and I would be excited to get the blue

501
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Speaker 1: box on Rycel coming back. What would be like one

502
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: where where you would not like it? What's too much money?

503
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Speaker 2: I don't really care about the money as much. I

504
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 2: care more about the years. So two years, I'm good

505
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: with three years. So that means that Ricell will be

506
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: thirty eight in the last year of that contract. Yeah,

507
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you you might have to go there

508
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: especially say that like Devin Williams and Robert Suarez and

509
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz all get insane amount of money, and maybe

510
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: even like a Pete Fairbanks, who we're going to talk

511
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: about here in a moment, gets way more money than

512
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Speaker 2: we were thinking. Then maybe just because you have that

513
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: familiarity with Iglesias, then you maybe you could push for

514
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: like a club option instead of a player option or

515
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: what you know, whatever you have to do to get

516
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: get home, you have to add somebody, You have to

517
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Speaker 2: have multiple somebodies. Yeah, but two years it feels fine

518
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: to me unless it's some egregious number. Financially, I wouldn't

519
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 2: really care if it's a two year deal. What's the

520
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 2: ultimate difference between seventeen million dollars and fifteen million dollars.

521
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Speaker 2: I don't really care all that much. But yeah, two

522
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: years for Iglacias or ideally a one year deal, but

523
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing he gets two years.

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is kind of a theme. You and

525
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Speaker 1: I agree this was not always the best radio, but

526
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Speaker 1: especially on short term deals. I just don't care much

527
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: about the money, and I think that's it's sometimes hard

528
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: to message that. But I would run much for this

529
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Speaker 1: is just numbers out of the air. I'd rather pay

530
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Speaker 1: Risel one year and twenty million than two years and

531
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: thirty two million, to be honest with you. M like

532
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: interesting thought even more but even more so when with

533
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Speaker 1: two versus three years, Like the only way I'd want

534
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: to go with three year depe for Icel is that

535
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Speaker 1: the AAV is so low, like if it's like three

536
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: for thirty, like, I don't really care at that point.

537
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: You kind of have to know it going in and

538
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: like build your Alex has been good with it. I mean,

539
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: maybe good the wrong word. Alex has done this before

540
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: where he's kind of like had guys jump up and

541
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Speaker 1: down with their salaries, bending things to make his numbers work.

542
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: Maybe something like that. But I just general, especially on relievers,

543
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: man like even more so pitchers in general, but almost

544
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: more so on relievers. I just don't want to be

545
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Speaker 1: saddled with long term reliever contracts. Yeah, so, well, more

546
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: money and shorter is fine with me. Generally.

547
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: They have such a grenade probability on these contracts. I mean,

548
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Speaker 2: we talked about Tanner Scott a year ago, and they

549
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Speaker 2: were I was interested in Tara Scott, I was not

550
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: interested in the four year but he gets seventy two

551
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: million dollars.

552
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So as soon as that never came out, we

553
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: were like, all right, we liked him, but not like

554
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: that much, not that much.

555
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Speaker 2: Never mind. I love Devin Williams. I'd love Devin Williams

556
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Speaker 2: in Atlanta, but if he gets a four year, seventy

557
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: million dollar contract, then I'll pass. I mean, I'll let

558
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: somebody else and if he's great for four more years,

559
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: then we'll kick ourselves in twenty twenty nine. But yeah,

560
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: for me year over year for Bullpen's change. And you

561
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: mentioned if you got Iglacias on a longer deal, while

562
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Speaker 2: I still don't really want to do it, if it's

563
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: low enough money on a yearly basis, there's nothing that

564
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: says that you have to write Iglacias in Penn as

565
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: your closer for the next three years. Yeah, he could

566
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Speaker 2: be your closer next year and evaluate and see if

567
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: what goes, and if he's great, he's your closer again.

568
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 2: And if he's not great, then you could shift him

569
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Speaker 2: into a seventh through eighth inning role. And you're not

570
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: paying him an absurd amount of money, whereas if you

571
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: pay an Edwin Diaz twenty million dollars a year, I mean,

572
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: he better be closing out baseball games a year. In

573
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: big trouble.

574
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Pete Fairbanks earlier. He is a surprise entry

575
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Speaker 1: on this list. He had an eleven million dollar club

576
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: option with Tampa Bay that I think everyone in the

577
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: industry was backing on being picked up. Like he was

578
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: not on the free agent projections for a few sites

579
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: because they were not expecting to be him to be

580
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: a free agent. But he is. He's gonna be three two.

581
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: But he's been there He's been a primary lightening guy

582
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: for the Rays for three years with like a two

583
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: point nine era. He's throws hard, missus, you know, missus

584
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: the barrel of the bat like is a really good reliever,

585
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: not as famous by any means as a Diaz or

586
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: even as a right so Glazy is honestly but a

587
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: good lightening reliever who kind of feels Bravey to me.

588
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why that is. Maybe its because he's

589
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: a Ray.

590
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: I don't what is it?

591
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: What is it about that him that's like, hey, I

592
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: feels like a Bravest movie to me, But I don't

593
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: know what it is. It does feel that way. I

594
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: don't know. Sorry, he feels like.

595
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: A brave because when it was announced that the Rays

596
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: were not picking up his option, I think the entirety

597
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 2: of Braves Twitter went, oh, there's maybe our closure for

598
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: next year. And Pete Fairbanks really solid. Maybe not like

599
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: the sexiest name you've ever had as a closer. He's

600
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: not going to go out there and strike out four

601
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 2: hundred hitters next year and all that, but yeah, Fairbanks

602
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: is going to get a reasonable contract. He is high

603
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: up on my totem pole. For guys, i'd happily have

604
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: as a closer next season, a good reliever, no concerns,

605
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: He's done it before, and sure there's volatility with relievers.

606
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: You never know. They can blow up at any point,

607
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: like we saw with the Gleasias. But yes, I am

608
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: a big fan of Fairbanks, and when he hit the market,

609
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: it was like, yep, Brad, let's talk about him in

610
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks.

611
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: So there are three more guys who have been closers,

612
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: either last year or very recently. But I would personally

613
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: draw my line right after Fairbanks. I was like, clearly

614
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: ninth inning guys for next year. But these guys all

615
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: have claims to be and would all be like totally

616
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: fine in that role. For example, Ryan Helsley was incredible

617
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: for a couple of years and then last year with

618
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: the Mets was quite bad, kind of fell apart post

619
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: acquisition by the Mets. We loved him, make fun of

620
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: that because it was the Mets. But Ron Helsley prior

621
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: to that was like really really, really awesome, and he

622
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: throws ninety nine kind of like Devin Williams, but even

623
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: more so like whereas with Williams, the underlying data was

624
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: always incredible Helsley's wasn't anymore like it was. It's still good.

625
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he fought off a click completely. But

626
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: I think he did kind of meaningfully change what he

627
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: looked like. And he's not he's not super young, is

628
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: in his starties like the rest of these guys are

629
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: also has history with the Braves. People probably know that

630
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: he was not very happy with the Chop at one

631
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: point that became a national story. So maybe he wouldn't

632
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: sid with the Raids. No, no matter what, He's never

633
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: said that. I'm not saying that, but like just throwing

634
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: it out there. He has not been high on the

635
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Braves organizationally at times. I don't care about that sign

636
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: him if he's good at baseball, that's my opinion. You

637
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: could say, what if you want to Scott, but he's

638
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: an interesting pitcher, Like I wouldn't want to pay him

639
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Devin Williams money because there's more there's more risk with

640
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley. But like literally six months ago he was awesome,

641
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Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know what to make of that.

642
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if if you took out the comments

643
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: from from Helsley, I would I probably think it's more likely.

644
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: But if folks, we are not going to go down

645
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: that rabbit hole, but if you want search Ryan Helsley

646
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: Tomahawk chop.

647
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: He didn't like that's that's that's the baseline yes on that.

648
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Speaker 2: So for that reason, I don't think it's going to

649
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: be appairing. Just like you know, we talked about like

650
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: Jack Flaherty who ultimately opted in, but with his history

651
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: with Akunya, he was like, I don't know if they're

652
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: going to necessarily do that. Yep, but Helsley talented picture.

653
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm guessing he'll be elsewhere. A picture who I did

654
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: want to mention Brad and actually, funny enough, this was

655
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: a picture a reliever who was on CJ Ntkowski's off

656
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: season wish list for the Break and CJ was a

657
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: great interview. If you missed that. He was on the

658
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: show about two weeks ago, go take a listen.

659
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: Listen to that. He was fantastic.

660
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: Emilio Pagan is the was the closer for the Reds

661
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: last year and had thirty two saves, so it was

662
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: really effective for Cincinnati. Still throws well, pitches great out

663
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: He would be maybe a Amelio Pagan at thirty five

664
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: years of age, is a lesser name than a Williams

665
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: or a Suarez or even an Iglesias. But I can

666
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: see it so if Pagan is in the mix, and

667
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: and it's also again it goes back to the value proposition.

668
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: You could pay one of the elites. But what if

669
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: for just a little more money, you could sign Amelio

670
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: Pagan and Pete Fairbanks for your eighth and ninth inning.

671
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: That sounds pretty fantastic to me, and you could probably

672
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: get it done for twenty to twenty five million dollars

673
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: on aav for the next couple of seasons. I mean

674
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: that to me would make me feel so much better

675
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: about this bullpen. Your reliance on Joejmenez if he pitched,

676
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: is not going to be nearly as high, and you're

677
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: not committing an insane amount of money to a couple

678
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: of relievers.

679
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: For sure, I like the idea of Pagan. Like, like

680
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: I said, my divine lineup for like clear number one

681
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: was before the Hell's Lea Pegan. And also Kyle Finnigan's

682
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: on this list as well, a guy who closed last year,

683
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: actually for three straight years, he's been closing in Washington

684
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: and the Detroit. He's not a great Pitcher. He's fine.

685
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: He's a good reliever. He's not an elite closer. He

686
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: has been a closer for three years. Who has the pedigree.

687
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, two of these guys like Rice Ell

688
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: and Pegan or Pegan and like you said, Pagan and Fairbanks,

689
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: Like I could be sold on that for sure, Like

690
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: for the price of probably twenty to twenty two million

691
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: dollars a year for those two guys something like that.

692
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how much money would be,

693
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, that kind of makes sense to me

694
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: to get to if they if they do the Robert

695
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: Suarez or maybe maybe even Devin Williams, I'd be surprised

696
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: if they weren't to go out and then spend ten

697
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: million more on another guy. But they could do it.

698
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: Alex is not afraid to spend money on bullpens, particularly

699
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: if they were too quickly. One more time, if they

700
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: were to trade, if they're a traded air bummer, that's

701
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: nine million dollars. If they were able to trade your

702
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: umber without paying too much of his salary, then it

703
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: becomes more likely than they would pay two of these guys.

704
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a big If we don't know if

705
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: they're even trying to do that, but they could.

706
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: It also comes down to how much money does Alex.

707
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: And ps have. I mean, and we don't know he

708
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: he might know last year. I don't think you knew famously.

709
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't think you knew last year until all about

710
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: right now, we see it. We see didn't know in October.

711
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: I think you knew by November and that was kind

712
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: of the change in tenor. But yeah, don't we don't

713
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: know what he I think he does by now, but

714
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: we don't know what that number is.

715
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: So if he has more money than maybe the conventional

716
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: wisdom would lead you to believe, then sure, maybe they

717
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: could go out and add in one of these premium

718
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: closures and add one of these closures. If they're cool

719
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: with doing an eighth inning role, then awesome, Like then

720
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: your bullpen would be great. If they're pinching pennies again,

721
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: which would be infuriating, then maybe you do have to

722
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: go more of the bargain route and really hit the

723
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: tree market, because then you could probably find some guys

724
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: who are maybe a little bit cheaper, or get into

725
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: the next tier of free agents who are not going

726
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: to command nearly as much money.

727
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I was gonna do this later, so forgive

728
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: me for changing our plan. There is one more guy

729
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: who has been a regular closer for a long time,

730
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: including last season, and he happens to be a former Brave.

731
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: His name is Kenley Jansen. Kelly closed games last year

732
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: for the Angels, twenty nine saves for a bad Angels

733
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: team had an era in the twos like it's still

734
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: good now. Kelly Jansen is almost my age. He is

735
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: thirty eight years old, not the youngest guy in the world.

736
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: But in grouping the closers together, I think Kelly probably

737
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: wants to close games. He's nearing five hundred saves. That's

738
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: a big, shiny Hall of Fame milestone that closers want

739
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: to get to. I don't think he's going to be

740
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: the closer for the Braves. I could be wrong about that,

741
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: but I could see them, I could see union. He's

742
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: already been here. He was liked here, like he was

743
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: good last year. He's old like that. For me, that

744
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: that that's a one year deal or nothing for sure

745
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: on Kevin Jansen, but I wouldn't mind it, and I

746
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: want to always put him in this not necessarily in

747
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: this group, but he was a literally was a closer

748
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: last season in the league.

749
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: I will say, while Kenley's surface numbers were fine and

750
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: he still has that good kind of fastball cutter that

751
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: he throws, he was second percentile and average exit philosophy allowed.

752
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: There was at last year.

753
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: And and he was also second percentile in ground ball rate,

754
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: which means that when he was getting hit, he was

755
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: giving up hard hit, line drives and fly balls, and

756
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: that's scary in the ninth inning. So if Kenley wants

757
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: to be an eighth inning guy, I would take him.

758
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: But I'm guessing he's gonna sign with the Pirates.

759
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he should probably be on a He's probably he

760
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: probably should be a closer on a bad team because, like,

761
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: I get why you want saves. Saves don't matter to

762
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: me at all anymore. But if you're him and you

763
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: want to get to five hundred, like, I don't blame you.

764
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: He's done everything in baseball, well, totally get it.

765
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he made his money. He doesn't he's not plot

766
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: chasing at this point. He's gotten a ring. Like yeah, yeah,

767
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 2: I can't imagine the break.

768
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: Well, I should say this, I don't think the brands

769
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: are going to offer him a close rule, and they

770
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't in my opinion, if they, if he's cool, if

771
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: he says, you know what, I don't care about saves anymore.

772
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: I want to try to win the World Series. And

773
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: I liked I liked Atlanta, and I'll sign for six

774
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: million dollars for one year. I would do that in

775
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: a second, just for the record. I would do that now.

776
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: Last year's numbers were scary, but they weren't like horrible.

777
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: He's never been a ground ball guy, for example. Like

778
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: the peripherals were not as good as the ERA, for sure,

779
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: and you should not think on him having an ERA

780
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: in the twos anymore. But if you want a professional

781
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: late inning reliever, not ninth inning late inning reliever, you

782
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: could do worse to Kelly Jansen still at thirty eight.

783
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: I just I wouldn't be itching to do it just

784
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: for the record, but at least a familiar there that

785
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: it would not surprise me if Alex were to call

786
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: him and say, hey, one mass ride for five million

787
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: dollars kill me.

788
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, I'm guessing Kenley. I'll signed later in the

789
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: offseason too, maybe once. I mean usually there's kind of

790
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: the the dam has to break, and maybe it's Edwin Diaz,

791
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: maybe it's Sworez.

792
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: You know, right now as we're talking, the damn. I

793
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: mean literally, no one is signed. No one and any

794
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: any walk of any walk of top hundreds pre agients,

795
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: no one has signed in any position. It's actually insane,

796
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: but you're right, usually has to take one and then

797
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: take a start to happen. Maybe it is Diaz this year,

798
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: which would be winter. I think he's he should be

799
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: cutting in his own tier, but he's maybe not. I

800
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: don't know. You're right though, Yeah, no one, no one

801
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: wants to go too fast, which I understand. Right.

802
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: Bullpens, relievers they're somehow, I mean, they're so important, but

803
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: they're also not with like the year over year variance.

804
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm not saying the Brave should not have a good bullpen.

805
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: Please don't please need it, Yes, but it's not my prayer.

806
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: They have to find shortstop. They need to add a

807
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: starting pitcher. That's what I said too. I mean, I

808
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 2: know Sean Stephen covered it, but Alex said the exact

809
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: same thing. Like he was.

810
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: He said multiple times like we need relievers, we know that,

811
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: but the priority, the first priority is shortstop. Staty pitching.

812
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: I agree with that. You just said the same thing.

813
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: You gotta fill up a bullpen, but the volatility and

814
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: the value is just lower it is. I mean, if

815
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: you even if people don't like war like, it tells

816
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: the story of value. Even the best relievers in baseball

817
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: are like two win pitchers like. It's not it's hard

818
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: to do that anyway. That's kind of the closer tier.

819
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: In a second, we will go through the other relievers,

820
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: which includes some premier names. We'll get through that and

821
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: more after a word from a Partner's all right, Scott,

822
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: we'll go quickly, or was quick ish on the non

823
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: ninth inning relievers. Let's just start off by saying, Pierre Johnston,

824
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: Tyller Kinley are still Braves potential targets. The Braves decline

825
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: their options, but Alex has already said they're open having

826
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: those guys back. They should be. Ideally, you want to

827
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: get them for less. That's the whole point. If you

828
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: can do that. But uh, without going through the I mean,

829
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: if you're a Brispan, if I know these guys a

830
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: little bit already, Pierce has been I think underrated overall.

831
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: He isn't an elite reliever. But he's a good reliever.

832
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: Taller Kinley, the I've plucked out of Colorado and had

833
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: a zero point seventy RA last season, shouldn't expect that.

834
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: But I think under the hood looks like a pretty

835
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: good reliever. These guys are like seventh any guys like

836
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: they're good relievers to have around. But I getting one

837
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: to pay him five six million dollars either, it makes sense.

838
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: It's funny, you know, if Pierce Johnson was a free agent,

839
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: it had no affiliation with the Braves, and if Tyler

840
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: Kinley had the same season with a different team, my

841
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: caps would be like five million dollars for Tyler Kinley

842
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: and seven million dollars for Pierce Johnson and sense. Clearly

843
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: the Braves don't value them at that amount of money.

844
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: So I'm still a little surprised, especially given the uncertainty

845
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: with the bullpen. They didn't say yes to one of

846
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: those two pitchers. But again, we don't know how much

847
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: money and Thopless has to work with, and maybe he

848
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 2: has some real envisions of an all new bullpen. Maybe

849
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: he wants six new arms out there on opening day

850
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: who have not been with the Braves organization, or at

851
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: least weren't with the Braves recently. Maybe or it's like

852
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: you know what, yes, we want to and Kenley back

853
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: will give you a two year, ten million dollar contract.

854
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: We just wanted to work through some other things first.

855
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: I could see that also being a real possibility.

856
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it very much might be that Alex

857
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: thinks those deals were like reasonable, but also wants to

858
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: see what the market is and maybe like the market

859
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: won't pay those guys any more than that, And it's

860
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: one of those where like we might look up in

861
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: February at Pierce Shahnston signs like almost the exact same

862
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: deal in Atlanta, then he would have gotten in. I

863
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: would not shock me at all.

864
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: Sure, those two guys are Pierce Johnson. When he was

865
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: announced as a becoming a free agent, his agent did

866
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: not have twenty five teams calling him wanting to get

867
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: Pierce on a plane to come visit their you know,

868
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: to visit their spring training site. I mean that's just

869
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: not He'll have options, but like, yeah, it's not for

870
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: seven million dollars a year for sure. Maybe maybe get

871
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: that from somebody we don't know, but it won't be

872
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: like he has ten offers like that.

873
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 1: Seven million dollars a year to your point. Anyway, They're

874
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: not necessarily high in the list, but they are on

875
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: this list for sure should not be forgotten about whatsoever elsewhere.

876
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: Tyler Rodgers is a fun one. He'll be threaty five.

877
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: He throws like eighty seven. He's this weird submariner. I

878
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: love watching him pitch. It's just fun for me. He's

879
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: the rare, like basically underhand pitcher with no platoon split.

880
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: But I'm not a big one, and the numbers like him.

881
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: He has a career like sixty percent ground ball.

882
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: Right.

883
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: He's like a guy that I just love. And especially

884
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: one more thing, especially if the Braves get hass On

885
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: Kim or another defensive first shortstop, I would like Tyler

886
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: Rodgers even more because he needs good defense in the infield.

887
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: But I'm in on Tyler Rode. He's weird and good

888
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm into that.

889
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: So another. Yeah. Rogers was another pitcher on CJ. Nikowski's

890
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: offseason wish list for the Braves. Not a closer, probably

891
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: not even your eighth inning guy. But if you can

892
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: have him to match up against right, he's lefties, you said,

893
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: he he's not someone who you have to hide against

894
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: certain type of hitters. If you have never, if you

895
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: don't recall, I'm sure everyone watching or listening to the

896
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: show has seen Tyler Rodgers pitch. Go look him up,

897
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: go look up his highlights. I don't know how he

898
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: gets results with how he throws the baseball, but I

899
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: mean he throws it like they used to throw in

900
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: like the forties and fifties.

901
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: But he's legitimately under it's legitimately underhand. If you've not

902
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: seen it, it's it's crazy. But uh, it's like me

903
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: reminds me of Moneyball. It's like this guy just looks

904
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: like he shouldn't be able to get out, but he's

905
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: actually good and he's good, So yeah, I'm in. I'm

906
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: into that. Luke Weaver is probably like the biggest name

907
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: on this next tier because he was with the Yankees

908
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: and was good and what was that closing for the Yankees.

909
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: He was awesome in the playoffs two years ago with

910
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: the Yankees. Last year, he was really good early in

911
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: the season and it kind of fell off, like almost

912
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: Ryan Hillswy style, like kind of had a bad middle

913
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: end of the season, and his market is cool now

914
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: because of that. But he was good with the Yankees generally,

915
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: and if you see some stuff that Alex likes to see, like, oh,

916
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: we'll fix this one thing on this guy and he'll

917
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: be good again. He feels very Bravey to me as well,

918
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: just saying.

919
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: And another pitcher who I could see the Braves being

920
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: interested in for a couple of reasons is Phil Mayton

921
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: for a couple of reasons. So Mayton pitched out of

922
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: the Astros bullpen during the World Series in twenty one,

923
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: and he was like, honestly, he was the best reliever

924
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: Houston had. He was great against the Braves. Doesn't necessarily

925
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 2: throw hard, but is a stat cast god really really

926
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: good profiles across the board. And there is some familiarity

927
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: with Jeremy Hefner, who is the new pitching coach for

928
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: the Braves. I do think that is something that we

929
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: should probably start accounting for a little bit, is if

930
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: Hefner has had success with pitchers, maybe the Braves want

931
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: to reunite those two again. And we've had Rick Kranitz

932
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: as the pitching coach for so long it's kind of

933
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: hasn't really even been a thought. But if Kranitz or

934
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: I if Hefner has had success with some of these

935
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: pitchers in the past, like you did with Mayton, you know,

936
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: probably moves them up at least a rung again. Mayton

937
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: not a closer, probably not your eighth inning guy, but

938
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: would be a really nice addition to the middle innings

939
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: if the Braves can get him signed.

940
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: Yep, I like him a lot too. Isn't quite as

941
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: old some of the other guys too. It'll be thirty three,

942
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: not thirty seven, thirty eight, like all these guys are

943
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: thirty most of them at least. But I like that name.

944
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: Another one that I want to keep an eye on

945
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: is Stephen Matt's former like top prospect starter who has

946
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: become a full time reliever now and is good lefty,

947
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: was with Boston last season. Throws this really good sinker,

948
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: like just a name people probably know from back in

949
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: the day Mets guy for example, but like is it

950
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: good reliever now and just kind of as a.

951
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: Normal reliever, Like he's like a good lefty. And you know,

952
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: an interesting thing is as the off season progresses, I

953
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: think we'll kind of know with Aaron Bummer, assuming the

954
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: Braves don't trade him, If the Braves feel that Bummer

955
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: is going to be fine, moving forward and maybe he

956
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: just needed a few months away from baseball to let

957
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 2: that shoulder calm down. If you have Dylan Lee from

958
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: the left side, and you have Bummer from the left side,

959
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: and you also have Dylan Dodd waiting in the wings

960
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 2: who could potentially step in, or if Joey Wentz is around,

961
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: then I feel like you're probably okay on the left

962
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: side of the bullpen, and I would be more inclined

963
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: to add a couple of varieties of the either ticket

964
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: free agent ads or in trades. But if there is

965
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: real concern about Bummer, then if they add a lefty,

966
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: that might almost be more of an indication of uh oh,

967
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: They might worry that there might be structural damage in

968
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: Bummer's shoulder and they aren't really counting on him next year.

969
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point. I think there's not like

970
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: they can have three or four lefties. It's fine, but

971
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: you're right, it might be a sign and if they

972
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: go out and target left handed pitching that they are

973
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: a little bit concerned because you're right about that. A

974
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: name that Brace fans probably know, Sir Anthony Dimingez. He's

975
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: was a long time Philly, which is probably why people

976
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: know him the most around here was with the Blue

977
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: Jays in the playoffs this year, so I people watch

978
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He was a roller coaster ride with the

979
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: Blue Jays. I was reading some stuff about Sir Anthony

980
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: Dimingas because you know, I fished to see him pitch

981
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: a lot. But every fan base has the same reaction

982
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: to him. They like, their brain knows he's pretty good,

983
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: but the experience of washing him is kind of a

984
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: roller coaster.

985
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

986
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily signing up for that, but just he's

987
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: on this list, I think is a you know, five

988
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: to eight million dollar reliever, like a good reliever, not

989
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: a great one, but someone who like could certainly make

990
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: sense if you can get past the potential danger factor.

991
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: Samantha Tovegez, he is the epitome of why we're getting

992
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: into this group on the show. I promise you, Brad

993
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: and I are not texting all day long about sar

994
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: Anthony Dominguez and why the Braves needed to go out

995
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: and sign him yesterday. But again, another name, a veteran,

996
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: a guy who's done it before. I'm sure there's names

997
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: on this list the Braves really like. There's probably some

998
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 2: guys on this list the Braves don't like as much.

999
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: But I mean I think they have to add at

1000
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: least three three.

1001
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: Relievers, right, I mean you yes, for sure they have

1002
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: to leave. I mean yes, and I don't know, maybe four,

1003
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess that could if they went

1004
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: with two really good ones and Alex turned around and said,

1005
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: you know what, the rest of our bullpen's gonna be

1006
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: gonna be the kids. And we love junk, we love

1007
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: John Carlos Laura, we love Hayden Harris. You could probably

1008
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: sell me on that. But I'd like to see three,

1009
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: maybe even four new guys or maybe returners to like

1010
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: maybe one of those one of those new guys is

1011
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: Tyler kinleyback, like you know what I mean, like stuffing

1012
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, from the players not currently signed,

1013
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: I would like to see three or four new believers

1014
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: by Hooker Bicker. I mean, maybe maybe one of those

1015
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: guys is making two million dollars, not a six million

1016
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: dollar believer that we won't have to look. This is

1017
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: not a comprehensive list. I just pulled up one of

1018
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: the MLB dot com free agent lists for relievers. It's

1019
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: like sixty names. Like, we don't have time to talk

1020
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: about sixty other So what are we doing like the

1021
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: top fifteen to twenty right now on a light of

1022
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: the projections. Maybe there's a diamond in the rough that

1023
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: we don't know anything about. That a good this list

1024
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: right now. You know, Liam Hendrix is old, but like

1025
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: old friend John Breba who's been on the brads before.

1026
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: It's just a random name, but like he's been on

1027
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: the Bras before, and like, yeah, he would be a

1028
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: seventh reliever in the bullpen. He's not an impact guy.

1029
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: What we think and what I think I'm saying what

1030
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're saying or not. You got

1031
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: to add some top five guys to your bullpen, Like yeah, six, seven, eight,

1032
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: especially seven and eight in your bullpen might be an adventure.

1033
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just what it is. Every team has that.

1034
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: No more Hector Nares seventh inning, opening day.

1035
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't believe you do that to me on

1036
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: a day the Falcons did that to me. You brought

1037
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: up Hectornars. I'm now derailed on November sixteenth, I'm angry

1038
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: on bline November sixteenth, I'm not a road trip.

1039
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: That road trip to open the season really told us

1040
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: everything we need to know about the year ahead. We

1041
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: should have known better.

1042
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: I had someone tell me today that I get way

1043
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: more mad about the Falcons than I do about the Braves,

1044
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: and they wanted to know why, and I said, well,

1045
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: number one, I don't cover the Falcons. I'm just a

1046
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: maniac fan, That's number one. The other thing is football

1047
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: is like the ultimate small, stable size sport. Baseball is

1048
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: the exact opposite. There are literally one tenth as any

1049
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: football games there are basketball games, so they all matter

1050
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: a lot more so, a lot of the emotions are

1051
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: a lot bigger. But the acception might have been Hector Narius.

1052
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: I was in a blackoutrage on opening Day last year,

1053
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: which doesn't usually happen to me. I'm usually like, what

1054
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: are we doing here? Why is everybody so mad? And

1055
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: I was me and I still am. I'm mad right now.

1056
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: It's maybe eight.

1057
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: Months operation No Hector NAIs in the Braves bullpen Ever.

1058
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: Again seventh it wasn't even hundred anyway, first opening day,

1059
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: sn I miss you, Snit love you man. Two more

1060
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: names that I wrote them down, Caleb Ferguson and Sean

1061
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: Armstrong are on a couple of these, like top fifty

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Speaker 1: free agent lists, like as near the bottom, but like

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00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: five to seven million dollars projections. Ferguson was with the

1064
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: Pirates and the Mariners last year. Younger guy, actually he killed.

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00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: He's lefty kills lefties, kind of in the Stephen mattsone

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00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: of like probably not unless you don't have air, remember

1067
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: what we'll see. And Sean Armstrong was with the Rangers

1068
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: last year. He is a sweeper that apparently has like

1069
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: revolutionized his arsenal. And the Braves tend to like guys

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00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: that like have found something or that they see something

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00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: recent with those guys like hey, this is new and

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00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: now he's a new pitcher. Just want to flag back

1073
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: because if they think that he's a new guy with

1074
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: the sweeper, he could be a cheaper circle for the Graves.

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, all in if contracts you're reasonable, I think

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00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: I really think it's honestly, you want to add good players,

1077
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, But the contracts, especially on relievers,

1078
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: is what I'm more interested in, because you man, you

1079
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: can if you only have so much money, really using

1080
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: it effectively in the bullpen is is so important.

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Speaker 1: I just saw a name that I have to bring

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00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: up only for old only for old time sake. How

1083
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: about Luke Jackson. Luke Jackson free agent? He was? He

1084
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: actually pitched. He's been, you know, he was hurt for

1085
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: a while there. He has been. He's pitched fifty two

1086
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: games the last two seasons. Each season. Now he hasn't

1087
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: been good. But Luke Jackson as the eighth man in

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00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: the bullpen for a million and a half dollars.

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00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: Can't do it? No, my heart, can't.

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00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: You want to? You want to sign Kyle right and

1091
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: not Luke Jackson.

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00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's fine.

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00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: No, I was. I was a big funny. I was

1094
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 1: looking at I was the afore mentioned, like seventy five

1095
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: player list on movie dot com. I was scrolling down

1096
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: trying to find interesting names. Luke Jackson. Oh, Luke Jackson,

1097
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: still kicking. We love you, Luke.

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00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: How did they win the World Series? I I genuinely

1099
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: don't know. It was.

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00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: I know, uh, they're they're bullpen blacked out for a

1101
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: month and a Rosario and all kinds of things.

1102
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: It was.

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00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: It was a great time had by all Scott. That's

1104
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: all I'll say. Yeah, how did they win the World Series?

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00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: It's just it's one of those things where every time

1106
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: we bring it up, people get mad at us, but

1107
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: that team was not as good as some of the

1108
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: other teams they've had, and they just happened to get

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00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: hot at the right.

1110
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: Teap hey, and that's flag Well, yeah, flags fly forever

1111
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: at true.

1112
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: Spark uh flags people fly forever. And yeah that that

1113
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: team had an absurd bullpen performance. And that's the reason

1114
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: why the word Worlds series. All right, well, Scott, I

1115
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: lets you have more names to throw out, Like again,

1116
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: there will betray candidates that we don't know about, or

1117
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 1: maybe we do know about them, but we're not seeing

1118
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: them clearly right now. If you have ideas for freely

1119
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: leave them in the comments on YouTube or on Apple

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00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: or any where you listen to podcast tweeted us if

1121
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: you want to at hammerd Territory or at Scott one

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00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: fifty five or at bt Roland. If you have guys

1123
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: that you don't want or you do want, or trade whatever,

1124
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: bring the feedback. We'll take it. I appreciate that, Scott.

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00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: Anything else to plug your colts are off this week?

1126
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: Easy something for you. Congraduations right on that it.

1127
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: Was a it was a very calm Sunday and Costa

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00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: Coleman I am sorry Brad about your Atlanta Falcons. But football,

1129
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: what are you going to do?

1130
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of fans of the

1131
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: Panthers to listen to the show. It's not about you, guys.

1132
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: But if you go look at what Bryce Young did

1133
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: today and tell me that was not related to the Falcons.

1134
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: I like.

1135
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: Bryce Young's fine. He's not through for ten yards in

1136
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: attempts and four fifty and three touchdown.

1137
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: It's fine.

1138
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: So the Falcons are just the team that never stops

1139
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 1: giving or taking.

1140
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: Shout out Bijeon Robinson he's the man. Everybody else, everybody

1141
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: else in that team. I don't know if they're the man,

1142
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: but Robinson is the.

1143
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: Robinson and Drake London can do no wrong and everybody

1144
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: else particular leave Scott. Thank you for being here. We'll

1145
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: have more content this week. Everybody please a tuned. At

1146
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: some point a free agent will sign with the team somewhere.

1147
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: It may lea baseball.

1148
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: Until then, we'll be talking about baseball still, but keep

1149
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: it locked. Subscribe rate review again one more time, Apple Spotify.

1150
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: If you are an audio listener, subscribe on YouTube. Take

1151
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Speaker 1: two seconds, just click click on one button on YouTube. Easy.

1152
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: You don't have to watch us there if you want to,

1153
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: but just click the one button. It's easy if you're

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Speaker 1: auto download, et cetera. I appreciate everyone being here, Scott,

1156
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: thank you for being here as always, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: everybody next time.