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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four

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Speaker 1: twelve and tall in the show. We're back for another

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Speaker 1: one of our habitat specific roundtables, where our focus being

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Speaker 1: how to hunt deer and swamps, marshes and wetlands from

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin all the way down to Florida. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: on X to Dani show. We're back here for another

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Speaker 1: one of our habitat specific roundtable master class, whatever you

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Speaker 1: want to call it. These things are. I think they've

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Speaker 1: been really interesting. We are drilling down to the nitty

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Speaker 1: gritty of hunting a very specific kind of habitat, and

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Speaker 1: to do that, we get a bunch of different expert perspectives,

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Speaker 1: as has been the case with all these roundtables that

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Speaker 1: we've done so far this year. I'm joined by my

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Speaker 1: buddy Andy May, who I think most of you by

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Speaker 1: now know is one of the best d I Y

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Speaker 1: deer hunters out there in the country, and he's also

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Speaker 1: a swamp and marsh hunting expert himself. He does a

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Speaker 1: lot of this up here in Michigan and elsewhere, so

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Speaker 1: he's along to share his ideas. But he also nominated

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Speaker 1: two other swamp specialists to round out our group today. First,

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Speaker 1: we've got Joe rent Mester. He's a Wisconsin public land

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Speaker 1: bow hunter who many of you probably know from the

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Speaker 1: Hunting Beast or the Hunting Public public Land Challenges, or

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Speaker 1: his past appearance on this show. But secondly, we've got

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Speaker 1: Doug White, and he's a more under the radar guy.

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Speaker 1: You might know him if you are a part of

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Beast community. He goes by the name of

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Speaker 1: p K there. But what makes him particularly unique and

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Speaker 1: why I'm really excited that he's joining us here today

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Speaker 1: is that he's finding and hunting great deer in swamps,

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Speaker 1: but he's doing it down in Florida. I mean some

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Speaker 1: really tough stuff, very different than what we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: in the Midwest in certain ways, but also interestingly similar.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we have in store. This is a

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Speaker 1: great episode. There's a lot to unpack, so I don't

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Speaker 1: want to uh drag this out too long. I think

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Speaker 1: we should just get right into it, enjoy the show,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. Let's get into it all right

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Speaker 1: here with me on the line. We have got a

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Speaker 1: hell of a group talking swamp tonight. We've got Joe

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Speaker 1: rent Mester, Doug White, and Andy May and I'll just

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Speaker 1: thank you all from the get go for taking the

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Speaker 1: time to be here with us. And since we've got

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Speaker 1: this four person format, which can sometimes get a little confusing,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just pitch it right to Andy to try

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Speaker 1: to get us started. And Andy, as we've done with

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Speaker 1: this series over the course of the last couple of months,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've kind of taken the lead on finding

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Speaker 1: people who really want to learn from about the specific

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Speaker 1: to learn from these guys, I know that every single

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Speaker 1: something too. So so to kick us off, man, can

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Speaker 1: you tell me, you know a little bit about why

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Speaker 1: you chose Joe and Doug, who they are and what

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Speaker 1: they have to share here. Yeah. So we got Joe Rentmester,

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Speaker 1: phenomenal hunter. And what what I love about Joe is

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Speaker 1: the the info he shares, like on podcasts and on

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Beasts and stuff. So I've just been real

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Speaker 1: impressed with him. I know he hunts quite a bit

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Speaker 1: based out of Florida, and we'll let him dive into

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Speaker 1: But I'm really interested to hear his take on on

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Speaker 1: overview of all things swamps, wet lands, marshes, etcetera. Um, so, Andy,

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Speaker 1: where did you want to start with this? Yeah? One

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Speaker 1: definitely come from, uh like north of Lake Okeechobee. It's

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Speaker 1: kick these guys in a different direction. No, that's the

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Speaker 1: In fact, um, that's one of the reasons I like

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Speaker 1: hunting swamps and marshes so much. I hunt quite a

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Speaker 1: least where I'm at. I find it fairly easy to

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So like the game plan I

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Speaker 1: the transition lines and all that are usually pretty clear.

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Speaker 1: But what makes it hard a lot of the time

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Speaker 1: labor a lot of times. Is would you agree with that, Joe? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I would definitely agree with that. Um. The one

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Speaker 1: We all know because we've talked about the stuff before war,

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00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: but it's probably some people out there who don't. UM,

427
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Joe, do you want to take

428
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: a first stab at kind of describing why some of

429
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: these key features that you mentioned matter, Like where are

430
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,719
Speaker 1: these bucks betting? How are these deer traveling? Uh? What

431
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of stuff are they feeding on or or heading

432
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: to feed on? Can you kind of lay out what

433
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: you see up in your area and then and then

434
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: we'll bounce to to both Andy and Dug two at

435
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: light here. Yeah, So one thing, I guess I kind

436
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: of want to back pedal on a little bit that

437
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: will blend in with what you're asking. Um. Time of

438
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 1: the year makes a big difference for us up here

439
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: in the north where I guess I'm curious too in

440
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: Florida with what how time of the year changes things.

441
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: But in the winter, for example, you're not necessarily going

442
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: to see the deer on the points because the point

443
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: that you've got ice, you got snow, people are getting

444
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: into those swamps. Um, you've got cold weather and deer start.

445
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: You start seeing the deer by us getting pushed into

446
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: like your seedars. And then where particularly in the seaters

447
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: I find them usually are in your your tightest clusters

448
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: of cedars. Um they almost stick it on a map.

449
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: Like if you were to look at a cedar swamp

450
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: on a map, you'd see like a real tight dark

451
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: spot where you get maybe say, um, ten cedar trees

452
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: just clustered really tight together, and they seem to just

453
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: bed under those in those types of spots. And uh,

454
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 1: in the winter part of it is they're getting out

455
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: of the wind in my opinion, um, and there they

456
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: have food right there at the seaters themselves. So time

457
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: of the ear makes big difference, um and refreshing me again,

458
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: I was gonna kind of blend it into your question there.

459
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: What was your question? Yeah, I was just gonna ask

460
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: you to to describe how you typically see deer using

461
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: some of these key features. So you just mentioned one

462
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: of them being one of the kinds of spots that bed.

463
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: But if you could even kind of run down like

464
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: these types of features are where I typically see them betting,

465
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: These are how I typically see them traveling, using different

466
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: edges or points or whatever. Uh, feeding too. Just a

467
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: little overview of of those types of things would be

468
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: helpful to kind of lay the stage. Yeah. Um, So

469
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: I guess for the betting, it's just it seems those

470
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: loan when things are wet and there's not a ton

471
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: of pressure, those lone single tree is um, they have

472
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: a little base underneath them, just seemed to hold the

473
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: deer pretty well. Um. If there's not a lot of pressure.

474
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: In my experience, they're not usually terribly deep into the swamp. Um.

475
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: If you've got people right on the edge or getting

476
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,239
Speaker 1: into the swamp a little ways, the deer might be

477
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: pressured in deeper. I've also seen it to where you

478
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: get so much pressure in the swamps, deer come out

479
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: of the swamps and they'll be better in your overlooked spots. Um.

480
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: And then I guess to touch on food, I mean

481
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: food when you're trying to pick out a swamp to

482
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: food is so important in regards to what swamps are

483
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: holding the deer um in the early season. I guess

484
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: if you have a if you have a swamp with

485
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: new seating alf alfa butted up against it, you can

486
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: bet there's gonna be deer coming out on that side

487
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: of it, in comparison to say, a swamp that's just

488
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: surrounded by, um, I don't know, hard woods that isn't

489
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: dropping acorns. So that's another thing is really for us

490
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: figuring out where that food is and and if the

491
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: deer are even going to be in those swamps, because

492
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: I've got swamps up here that are awesome at certain

493
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: times of the year and they're just they're vacant of

494
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: deer at other times of the year. Um. So I

495
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: guess that that kind of gets you going on that topic.

496
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: Since sticking in the Midwest kind of area, Andy, what

497
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Speaker 1: would you add to this part of the country and

498
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: how you're seeing Do you use this stuff? Yeah, I

499
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: see a lot of the same things, just just kind

500
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: of going back to like some of the features where

501
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, if if I'm talking, I mean, I guess

502
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: we're kind of talking about bucks here is specifically mature bucks.

503
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm definitely you know, we all know

504
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: about you know, the points that kind of that kind

505
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: of jut out into the marsh or swamp. Like Joe said, um,

506
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: if there's water, anything that's high ground, which could be um,

507
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, a lone tree out there, or or a

508
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: little island of um you know, tag alders, or or

509
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff. I don't even know what

510
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: it is out there. It's just like high ground where

511
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: there's like little trees. UM. I see them betting on

512
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: that um bowls like along the transition where it kind

513
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: of goes it's like an opposite of a point, it

514
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: kind of goes in. I've seen them bed right there

515
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: on that kind of transition to UM. The one thing

516
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: that I actually learned this from Joe's buddy um Um.

517
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: I think it's a marshbuster on the Hunting Beast, but

518
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: I listen to one of his podcasts and he was

519
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: talking about how even just different pockets of vegetation doesn't

520
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: necessarily need to be trees, but like a different a

521
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: different type of vegetation out in the marsh that's like

522
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: slightly different. UM. A lot of times those are really

523
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: not so easy to see on the map. But um,

524
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: after I heard that, I heard that like a year ago,

525
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: and I started looking for that on the map and

526
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: started scouting out some of those spots on some public

527
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: playing around here, and sure enough I found some betting

528
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: in there too. So um, yeah, all that stuff, all

529
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: that stuff I mentioned, I see the betting. And then

530
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: one thing too, like with with the cattail marsh and um,

531
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: that's really cool and we all know this and most

532
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: people do now, especially with mapping technology, but you can

533
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: really zoom in on those on like Google Earth and

534
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: and really see like those trails like such detail, and

535
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: you can it will literally it's like a blinking sign

536
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: going to you know where some of these these deer

537
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: are bedded and then you can go out and verify

538
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: you with boots on the ground. Um. And then and

539
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: then to kind of kickyback off what Joe said as

540
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: far as like what which marshes and swamps are holding

541
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: um deer during certain times of the year. Like a

542
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: lot of my experiences in like um uh, like cattail

543
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: marshes that have a lot of dogwood around and those

544
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: seem to really pile in deer there during the winter,

545
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: and I know they like to browse on the dogwood

546
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. But that's I've been some of my best

547
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: late season spots is in some of those uh those

548
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: dogwood swamps there. But um, it's it's it's kind of

549
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: interesting to hear him touched on that. I wanted to

550
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: dive into that a little more later. But how about Doug,

551
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: could you go with go off to some of the

552
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: features that you see down there in Florida some of

553
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: the same stuff maybe, Um, yeah, a lot of it

554
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: is real similar. Um. And as far as I think

555
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: the question is like why it's important, I mean it's

556
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: important because obviously the deer, the deal relates to the

557
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: terrain that's their home, you know. Um. So if you

558
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: can find those points and those little islands and those

559
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: little trees, um, one thing I'll say, well, well, when

560
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: you get a lot of a lot of pressure. Um,

561
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: I see bucks kind of using those lone tree type beds. Um.

562
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: Not a terrible amount though, I've found it down here.

563
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: They really like a little spot um where they've got

564
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: a canopy and they've got shade that that you know,

565
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: it's just it just it gets so hot. I think

566
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: it's just a really big deal for him. That's what

567
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: I've been finding with a lot of the turre bucks

568
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: that on the last few years I've been paying more

569
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: attention to it because I you know, I'd see one

570
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: of those lone trees out there and I'd go stomping

571
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: out to it, thinking that, you know, there's gonna be

572
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: and there's not. There's not a bed there, like man,

573
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: it's it's too perfect. But then they're up. They're up,

574
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: And it depends, like I said, with the pressure, because

575
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: the pressure pressure will definitely push them out there. Um.

576
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: And also the amount of deer if there's if there's

577
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: too many deer up in the more favorable spots, then

578
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: it will push him out there. Um And then um yeah.

579
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: And another big thing is just the way that they

580
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: they seem to always be set up um for some

581
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: sort of wind or thermal advantage. It just almost every

582
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: single big buck that I've seen moving or have found, um,

583
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, where he's hanging out, where he's setting It

584
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: just seems like they are always keying in on where

585
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: that one wind kind of funnels through or um or

586
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: where those thermals are dropping and sinking. It seems like, well,

587
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem I know, I'm completely completely clueless when

588
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: it comes to figuring out how and where the deer

589
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: down by you would be feeding. You know, I can

590
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: understand the betting. The betting seems like somewhat consistent with

591
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: what we have up here. UM, But I'm trying to

592
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: figure how like my understanding of food sources would translate

593
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: down to the south and down in the stuff here

594
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure it does, Like what kind of

595
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 1: stuff are they feeding on down in this swampy wet country? Um?

596
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: And how like what are you looking for when trying

597
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: to figure that out? So number one is the same

598
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: as with you guys pretty much, Um, it's gonna be hoax.

599
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: You know, why don't we get a lot of water oaks,

600
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: live oaks? Um? And the deer will definitely come up

601
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: and hit those. UM. But honestly, I am not really

602
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: That's something that I've been trying to set up my

603
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: game with is um food source uh and identifying UM.

604
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: But honestly, I don't down here. These deer just they

605
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: nipped here and there. It's really similar. It's as I

606
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: can put it into it, like is big woods what

607
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: I hear those guys talk about in the big woods

608
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: up in the northeast. Um, that translates really well to

609
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: what I've seen in most of Florida. UM. You know,

610
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: bigger going to browse a lot time. There is food

611
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: right in their bedding. Um our brows right, and if

612
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: it is in a really wet area, they eat a

613
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: lot of aquatic aquatic plants. I seem feeding in the

614
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: water a lot. That makes sense. The next step, I

615
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: guess in my mind is taking all this digital scouting.

616
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: We're looking at maps, We're looking for these features. We're

617
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: laying down way points. So this looks like a good point,

618
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: This looks like a good island, This looks like us

619
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: an edge worth checking out. Um. And then of course,

620
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: if you have the time, hopefully you're going to get

621
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: a chance to go out there and check it in person,

622
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: ground truth in in some kind of way. UM, Doug,

623
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: I've read that you don't have a lot of time

624
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 1: to do on the ground scouting anymore, so you focus

625
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: primarily on in person or in season or sorry online

626
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: or maybe a little bit of in season stuff. But

627
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: can you lay out for me, you know, with your

628
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: limited time, when you get some kind of available bandwidth

629
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: to get some on the ground scout it again, like

630
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: what is the key thing that you're focusing on or

631
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: something unique that you key in on, other than like

632
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna go look at this stuff? Is there any

633
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: more detail you can provide as far as the stuff

634
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: that you're specifically really focusing on or um prioritizing um

635
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: down here in most of Florida, I would, even though

636
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a big guy on on sign hunting over sign, um,

637
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: if you can find some good sign because there's just

638
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: not as many older deer uh and when they make

639
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: sign you usually it's for a reason. Um, So, definitely

640
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: finding some some you know, better buck sign is a

641
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: is a huge thing. And if you can correlate it

642
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: then to what you either already have scouted on the

643
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: map or can look at you know, they're on the

644
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: fly and kind of piece the puzzle together on why

645
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: that sign is there and if you can make a

646
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: game plan. Um. So Yeah, Honestly, if I'm trying to

647
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: out it's usually I'm usually not scouting to look to

648
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: see what its rain looks like. Usually I know what

649
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: it's gonna look like pretty well. Um, it's more of

650
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: trying to you know, groundproof as far as is there

651
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: you know a good one around here. I don't know

652
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: if that answers your question. It does. What what's quote

653
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: unquote good sign look like in Florida, because I'm guessing

654
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: it might look a little different than good sign in Iowa. Yeah,

655
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: I've never been had a pleasure, but I've been to

656
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: Missouri that's about the closes, and yeah, it's it's very different.

657
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: There are some small places, uh, some small parts of

658
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: the state where there's actually pretty good gear numbers and

659
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: you can get into some better sign. But you know,

660
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: for most of Florida, good buck sign. You know, for

661
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: some guys, it might be any buck sign like that that,

662
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, anything might might get them fired up. Me,

663
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a bigger than average rubs, bigger than

664
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: average tracks. Um. If I'm do into kind of scouting

665
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: like where I'm actually looking for beds and obviously bigger

666
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, bigger beds. Even though we don't usually get

667
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: those well defined beds. Um, you can generally if there's

668
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: something there you can look at, you can tell kind

669
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: of besides of the deer that's been laying there. Um.

670
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's it's the same thing that

671
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: you would look for anywhere else. It's just scaled down.

672
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean the big the big sign, the big tracks

673
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: that I'm looking for might look like though tracks in

674
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: the Midwest. And what about a bigger than average rub.

675
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: What's the bigger than average rub look like by you? Um,

676
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: anything that man, that's that's tough to answer. But you know,

677
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: anything that's getting up where the center of the rub

678
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: is up above your knee, that's gonna be a two

679
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: year older or a better deer. And then we do

680
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: get the occasional I've seen some places that were ripped

681
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: up where it's you know, the rubs are up to

682
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: your chest, and that's usually a deer that has pretty

683
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: long times. You're a pretty ride rack or is you

684
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: know tall or maybe all those things hopefully Yeah, okay,

685
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: uh Joe, what about you when it comes to your

686
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: on the groundwork, is there anything kind of unique that

687
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: you're looking for other than just like confirming that yes,

688
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: this stuff you saw on the map has some sign,

689
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: anything kind of next level or specific that you do

690
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: that maybe is a little bit different than others. I

691
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I mean next level, but to kind of

692
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: take in a slightly different direction, not necessarily even just

693
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: maps for us, we have to confirm that there's a

694
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: big deer living in the area. So shining is a

695
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: big one that I'm assuming they can't do. They don't

696
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: do it for I don't know. I shouldn't assume that

697
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: they don't do it in Florida, but just confirming deer

698
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: exists in an area through shining, um, and what fields

699
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: are using and what areas are in I guess i'd

700
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: be curious if that's something in Florida or not you

701
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: are legally allowed to shine. I believe I don't do it,

702
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: so I don't know if there's time frames. I know

703
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: you definitely cannot have no weapons in the car. Yeah right, sorry,

704
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: go ahead, no ahead, alright, sorry about that. UM. So

705
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you're seeing kind of up there around Wisconsin.

706
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: You kind of touched on a little bit of like

707
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: where you know, maybe like in the marsh type setting

708
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: where you're seeing dough betting as opposed to buck betting,

709
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: and then also just kind of maybe blend that into

710
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: like where you're where in your experience have the biggest

711
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: oldest bocks. Has there been a certain type of feature

712
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: or type of of pocket of cover where you've seen

713
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: the biggest oldest bucks betting. Sure so in the swamps, um,

714
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: I've seen. I've seen spots where you just have one

715
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: solo buck kind of betting on some bogs, and then

716
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: the next year that buck has gone and you've got

717
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: eight or ten does on those same bogs. M I've

718
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: seen that. I guess we're the biggest oldest ones. Are

719
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: is usually some freak overlooked spot. Um. I know it's

720
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: kind of a clear cliche thing to say nowadays, but

721
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: like you take a look at I mean, for for

722
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: the listeners, if you watched my one video of the

723
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: buck I shot over his bed, he was with a great,

724
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: big old buck and just a little point that wasn't

725
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: getting bothered. Um. Now that's not swamp, I guess, but

726
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: that's an overlooked spot. There was another one. Um. Really

727
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: the buck got very old and when we finally did

728
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: find where he was hanging out, it was between three

729
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: three parking lots, kind of down in some little cattails,

730
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: just a little hole next to like a little creek. Um,

731
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: it's just it seems like it's those overlooked spots. If

732
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: it's too obvious of a spot. They just don't make

733
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: it to an old age. Yeah, that's kind of been

734
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: my experience too. It's like it's either the overlooked or

735
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: it's just those ones that are just like so hard

736
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: to get to, Like they're the farthest away from access

737
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: or it's just uh, there's some sort of barrier like

738
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: a river or some standing water or something that you

739
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: gotta get to. It's just like it seems like those

740
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: two things, um or where I found, you know, either

741
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: the biggest box or the biggest bucks signed um. But

742
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: then it could be it could be any one of

743
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: those features that we talked about. It could be you know,

744
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: a little tiny island. It could be a loan tree

745
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: out there, or even some some of that some of

746
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: that dogwood. But it just seems like those two things

747
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: are where if I really think back, where I found

748
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: the the oldest and the biggest box. UM. What about you, Doug?

749
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate on that a little bit? Um? Yeah,

750
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's tough because, like you guys know, it's

751
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: also situational. Um. But I'll say it seems like the

752
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: biggest oldest ones, um, they're very rarely actually in those

753
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: spots where you look at a map and it's like

754
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: a neon sign. I mean once in a while, like

755
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: you said, if they're real far from access um or

756
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: something like that, they'll be using that traditional stuff. But

757
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: it seems like the ones that are kind of sliding through,

758
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: like the seams, you know, the gaps in the pressure,

759
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: they've they've got some little spot works for him. Um.

760
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: And a lot of times what I've been finding lately

761
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: is they like those real I don't really know what

762
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: they're called. They're not exactly a point um of dry ground,

763
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: but they're more like I call them, like a belly.

764
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: It's so sort of like a kidney bean shape, um,

765
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: little knob, a little little bit of higher ground. And

766
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: they seem to really like that because it doesn't just

767
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: give them this real small little spot, gives them kind

768
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: of like their own little area. Um. You know. And

769
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: like I said, if if it has that overhead canopy

770
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: with the shade, it's got brows, if it's got you know,

771
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: security on the backside, whether that's deep water or cattails

772
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. It seems to be that when I'm

773
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: finding you know, like if I shoot one and back

774
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: chuck into its better or if I happen to jump

775
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: on or something like that. It seems to be in

776
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: the last few years, I've been noticing that they're in

777
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: these spots that are just subtle and they just they

778
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: don't really scream that to you, even if you walk

779
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: right by it. I I've found a few within the

780
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: last few years where I've walked within bow range of

781
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: that bed several times times and never knew it was there. Um,

782
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: And that that kind of stuff is kind of hard, uh,

783
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: you know, to relay, you know on a podcast, but

784
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: if you spend your time out there and you really

785
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: combed through stuff. Um. One thing I've been telling guys,

786
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: if you if you know a big buckets in like

787
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: a certain area and you can't find them, man, turn

788
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: on your turn on your GPS tracker and and grit

789
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: it like you're looking for a shed or you're looking

790
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: for a dead deer, because sometimes you are literally walking

791
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: right by them. Mhm. Yeah, that's good stuff. Andy. What

792
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: about you on the well you just mentioned a little

793
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: bit on that front, But back to the the on

794
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: the ground stuff. You know, Doug just mentioned sometimes you've

795
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: got a grid searching area almost to really identify those

796
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: little hidden spots. You just seem to be a master

797
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: of scouting anything. But I know this stuff in particular.

798
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: Is there anything you would add when it comes to

799
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: the on the ground side of scouting out these swamps

800
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: and wet lands. Is there something you do uniquely or

801
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: something that's particularly important to you other than just covering

802
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: a lot ground. You know. I always have said, like,

803
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: I don't think necessarily that I'm the best at reading

804
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: maps or even kicking up things, uh, scouting as as

805
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 1: some of these guys out there. But what I will

806
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: say is I'm very, very thorough. Like I will scout

807
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: the same areas multiple times, even though I've walked everything.

808
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: I will walk at multiple times because I missed stuff. Um.

809
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: I missed stuff that I'm sure some other guys wouldn't um.

810
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: And it often takes me. I I think I pick

811
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: up on the obvious stuff, um, but it often takes

812
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: me two or three or four times, say scouting marsh

813
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: to really get a grasp of everything. So I will

814
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: purposely go out there. Um, there's this one in particular

815
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm really trying to learn. I had a

816
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of good encounters out there. Um, well,

817
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: a couple of good encounters two years ago, and then uh,

818
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: that same buck was out there this year. And I've

819
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: been out there three times in the last week and

820
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: a half. And it's not that big a piece, but

821
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm really just trying to dissect it. And it seems

822
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: like every time I go out there, I learned a

823
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more.

824
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 1: Um And and I've also I've always thought this about

825
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: myself too. It often takes me a few years to

826
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: really kind of master a certain area. Um. Yes, I

827
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: can often dive in and take a good buck out,

828
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: but to really to really learn it intimately. I feel

829
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: like I'm a little slower than than some guys that

830
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: uh um, I don't. I don't know, I don't. I'm

831
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: not sure exactly why, but I feel like I'm a

832
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: little slower to pick that up. So I actually spend

833
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: more time. I might take twice or three times as

834
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: much time out there. Is you know a guy like

835
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: Joe or a guy like Dan or or or Doug. Um,

836
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that for sure, but that's uh, I

837
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: think that's what I have to do. I think we're

838
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: in the same boat. And that's exactly what I was

839
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: alluding to. Is you know, I've spent I don't even

840
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: want to know how much time breading maps and thought

841
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: I was pretty good at it. And like I said,

842
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: some of these spots I've hunted in for years and um,

843
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, uh, like you said, scouting the spot two

844
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: or three times, even doing it within a short period

845
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: of time, going back that second and third time. I

846
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: think a lot of guys they scout something and they say, well,

847
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: I scouted it, just like they'll look at a map

848
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: and they'll say, Okay, well I know what that looks like.

849
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: But when you stare at that map and then you

850
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: shut it down. The next day you stare at that

851
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: map again, and you stare at again, new things pop

852
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: out at you. Um, And it happened for me. It

853
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: happened looking at the and it happens on you know,

854
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: boots on the ground all the time. Man. Yeah, well

855
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: that's good, that's good to here. That makes me not

856
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: feel so bad. But I do. I feel like you know,

857
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: I pretty much I do what you guys do. I

858
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: work those transitions and then I branched out from there.

859
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: But I do I comb it the whole thing, like honestly,

860
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: like you said, Doug, like I'm looking for a dead

861
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: buck because that's the only way I can make sense

862
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: of everything. To be honest with you, Um, I don't

863
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: think I'm as quite as good as like reading a map,

864
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: although I do think Marcia's and Swell Marcia's in particular,

865
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: or some of the easiest to read. I don't think

866
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: I'm as good at it as some guys. So I

867
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: do need to be just extremely thorough and often I

868
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: need multiple hunting seasons out there to really get it,

869
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: and then things start coming together and then I find it.

870
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I end up finding it really easy

871
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: to hunt once I figured that out. Um, But it

872
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: takes me a while to get there, even though I

873
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: might take a good ball out, you know, early on,

874
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: it takes me a while to get there where I

875
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: feel like I really haven't figured out. So should we

876
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: move on to some of the actual hunting kind of

877
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: styles then, um, because if we've we've kind of covered

878
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: well the things to look for when you're preparing scouting

879
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: with your maps, scouting in person, scouring this stuff, trying

880
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: to learn it. But it's a whole another step than

881
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: trying to take that information to actually apply it once

882
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: hunting seasons open. Um. I don't know, Andy, where how

883
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: do you want to I don't know where your head

884
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: was that with this, but but do you have any

885
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: thoughts on how you want to start this part of

886
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: the conversation or should we just start basic and and

887
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: just see, uh favorite favorite ways to approach on swamps?

888
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: What do you wanna do? Yeah, let's do that. Let's um,

889
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: let's maybe have them dive into a couple of different

890
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: scenarios maybe that they've experienced or some text exist they

891
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: used say that, like maybe like that early season in

892
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: the swamps or marshes, um, you know, kind of some

893
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: textbook stuff, or or maybe maybe a couple of stories

894
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: of some mature bucks you've taken. And then I'd be

895
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: more interested too to hear about the rut in the

896
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: swamps and marshes, because that's I haven't had as much

897
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: success in those areas during the rut. I've killed some

898
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: deer there, but most of my success has come early

899
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: to mid October to that late October time frame, and

900
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: then I don't know, I just haven't had quite consistency

901
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: during the rut in that type of in that type

902
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: of setting, so I'd be curious so and and going

903
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: even into late season too, because Joe, I know you've

904
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: you've had some great late season hunts in the in

905
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: the march, So how about we start with you. Yeah,

906
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: so that's that's a tricky one. Um gosh. In early season,

907
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is is do they know they're being

908
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: hunted yet or not? Um, because you could you can

909
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: catch them. I mean, like like I said earlier, right

910
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: on the edges of the swamps, it seems where they're

911
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: they're not pushed in deep, they're not um. It almost

912
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: seems like they're not bedded so much with their nose

913
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: in mind. Um. And then once the pressure hits, it

914
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: seems like now they start betting with their nose and

915
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: their eyes. If they can use their eyes and the

916
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: swamps it's a little bit harder. But sometimes you get

917
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: like a hillside where people are walking down off of

918
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: down into a swamp and the deer are watching that

919
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: a lot of times. Um. So yeah, once the pressure hits,

920
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: it kind of seems to change. Uh. During the rut.

921
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: For for me, I'm kind of in the same boat

922
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: as you. I had a little more success this past

923
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: year during the rut getting onto deer. The big thing

924
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: I noticed in the swamps during the rut is when

925
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: a deer is in a certain area um whether he's

926
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: with those or or not with those, it seems like

927
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: he's just in that area for a few days and

928
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: then he's gone. And then he might look back through

929
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: a few days later and then he's gone. And that's

930
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: kind of something I've noticed with the wireless troke cameras

931
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: um and then in the late season, but it's just

932
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: the late season changes so much. So like up by us,

933
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: in the late season, you might have a thirty degree

934
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: day or you might have a minus ten degree day.

935
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: And in those swamps they shift around so much, so

936
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: they might be when it's a little warmer, they might

937
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: be kind of in the dogwood in the open um,

938
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: chewing on dogwood, where they don't mind a little wind

939
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: to get into them. When it when it gets a

940
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: little bit colder, a little little nastier, then they're tucked

941
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: back in the real thick stuff. Trend seems like keep

942
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: keep the wind off of them. So it really varies,

943
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: and I guess when I think about it, in all

944
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: those scenarios, one thing I see a lot of is

945
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: when you have a buck using a bed or using

946
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: a spot, it doesn't seem like it's for a real

947
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: long period of time. He's there for a short window,

948
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: and if you don't capitalize on it, he's he's off

949
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: doing something else, or it's gonna be a few days

950
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: before he's back through there. Yeah. I uh, it's interesting

951
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: you say that because I was, Um, I was out

952
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: scouting um last week and I sent this polo, which

953
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: is like it's like a video message app. I was

954
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: sending it to Joe Els here in justin right um

955
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: of this this little cattail marsh where there's this little

956
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: island in the middle of it, and it's small. I

957
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: mean it's the size of my living room. And there

958
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: was a boot and Crockett sized buck that I was

959
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: hunting here in Michigan a few years ago, and he

960
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: lived across this major highway and every year during the

961
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: rut he would, um, he would venture across into the

962
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: side that I can hunt. And I had hunted him

963
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: the year before. He was like a like a low

964
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: one fifties eight and um, that's when I really kind

965
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: of figured out his pattern. I was like, Okay, I'm

966
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely gonna kill this buck next year, and

967
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: I was, I had, I was all in on this book.

968
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: In fact, the whole season, I was basically foregoing everything

969
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: else locally, and I was basically every night that I had,

970
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: I was sitting observation just so I knew exactly when

971
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: this buck got into that march, because that's what he

972
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: had done the year before. And it was like late October,

973
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: and he all of a sudden, he started showing up

974
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: in that march and I could see him out in there,

975
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't move far off that island um in daylight.

976
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, there's the property line

977
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: where I was hunting, Like I couldn't actually hunt the marsh,

978
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: but I could hunt right up to the edge of it,

979
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: and he just wasn't coming my direction in daylight. But

980
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: he had the year prior. As the season went on,

981
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: like into the rut, so I was just biding my

982
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: time observing. I started seeing this deer. I started getting

983
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: pictures of him um after dark, and then it was like,

984
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, an hour before or an hour after dark,

985
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: then thirty minutes after dark. I mean, it was it

986
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: was accumulating exactly how I thought this would play out,

987
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: and it was. It was just about time to move

988
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: in and start hunting this deer like in some in

989
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: some some funnel areas. And he ended up getting poached

990
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: out of some guy's backyard over by the highway there

991
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: a guy shot him with his hand gone out of

992
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: his car. But I said, the reason I bring that

993
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: up is because he showed up in that little marsh

994
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: just for a very brief time. He wasn't there before,

995
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: and he wasn't there after. But you if you didn't

996
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: know that, you would never have a chance at this book.

997
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: But um, it was. It was very cool. I sent

998
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: I sent the video of that little little betting area.

999
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, that brings back a heart, heartbreaking memory. That's

1000
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: a painful one now. And if you, if you, if

1001
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: you could have hunted that spot, let's say it was

1002
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: all open to you and you were hunting those observations

1003
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: stands all those days, letting up to it, then you

1004
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: finally see he's here. What would you have done differently

1005
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: if you could have hunted right in there? Can you

1006
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: describe exactly how you would have approached trying to hunt

1007
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: him if you didn't need to wait off back on

1008
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: the edge of the ki did. Yeah, So where I

1009
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: could only where I could access to I could see

1010
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: about a hundred fifty hundred fifty yards two hundred yards

1011
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: into that into that marsh um and and he needed

1012
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: to come my way, but he was going parallel to me,

1013
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: so he was he was actually working out of that island.

1014
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: A few times I saw him in daylight. He was

1015
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: slowly kind of working out of that island. He was

1016
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: nipping on some red brush, just kind of browsing um.

1017
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: And then he was working his way up like into

1018
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: the fringe area where the hardwoods kind of dipped down

1019
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: into the marsh. So he he was making it to

1020
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: the edge. Like if I could have hunted that edge,

1021
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,959
Speaker 1: it was like a little it's like we talked about

1022
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: a bowl, like where the hard edge or where the

1023
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: edge of the woods creates a bowl instead of a point. Um.

1024
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: He was working right into that. So had I been

1025
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: able to access that property, I I could have gotten

1026
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: a crack at him there, probably in that late October

1027
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: time frame. But he was what he was doing is

1028
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: he was kind of slowly getting out of his bed

1029
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: and he's working up into that and then he was

1030
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: laying down sign he was really starting to hit the

1031
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: scrapes and rubbing up his area and stuff. He's just

1032
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: basically keeping tabs on the dos is, just starting to

1033
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: check on the area. And then when the dough started

1034
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: coming and heat, that's when we really started, you know,

1035
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: seeing him move. So there were guys hunting that property,

1036
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: they just they had no clue that that's where he was.

1037
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: I I knew just because the history and the sightings

1038
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: and the trail camera dada, I kind of put it

1039
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: all together. But it was it was very interesting because

1040
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: they were all hunting up near the food, which was

1041
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: quite a ways away, and this buck wasn't making it

1042
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: anywhere near you know, their daylight. Um. In fact, when

1043
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: he would make it over to where I was hunting,

1044
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: like the year prior, he was doing it all via

1045
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: like security cover. He was never like um, showing himself

1046
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: out in the open. So they he was. It was

1047
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: it was very interesting how that deer was just living

1048
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: right under their nose and moving right under their nose.

1049
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: But um, you know that's I mean, that's a testament

1050
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: of like how how most hunters, a lot of the

1051
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: average hunters out there, they'll sit on that field edge

1052
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: and they'll see you know, and handful of younger Bucks,

1053
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: but you know that big one is is surviving back

1054
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: in there in the cover. So yeah, uh, did you

1055
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: want to pitch that same question you had for Joe

1056
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: a second ago Doug's away? You might maybe repeat it

1057
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: because I forgot what it was even so maybe Doug

1058
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: did into Yeah, So yeah, basically, UM, maybe touched on

1059
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: your strategy um of hunting in the swamps or marshes

1060
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: kind of early season, kind of taper that into like

1061
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: the mid season rut and then maybe even late season

1062
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. I know that's a long, open ended question,

1063
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: but you can kind of touch on your strategy there.

1064
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: I would do my best. Yeah. I love hearing you

1065
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: guys talk about, um all the history that you get

1066
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: with Bucks. That's that's awesome. I don't I don't run

1067
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: cameras or any of that, so I don't get to

1068
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,479
Speaker 1: do that. But I think the way that you and Joe,

1069
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: the way that you're able to figure out deers just incredible. Um.

1070
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: But anyways, so what I find, and I think Joe

1071
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: said the same thing in early season, Um, I've made

1072
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: this mistake of over hunting a swamp. You might say, Um,

1073
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: I've done this both in state and out of state

1074
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 1: to where I'm trying to dive in and those deer

1075
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: aren't in there yet unless there's food in there, unless

1076
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: there's oaks back in there. Those deer are generally, like

1077
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: Joe said, they're out on the edges. Um. What I've

1078
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: actually found it's kind of funny is it seems like

1079
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: those those batchelor groups of bucks will be also where

1080
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: they can watch access and it's like the first time

1081
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: that a hunter comes in there and you blow them

1082
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: out of there, they won't be back in there again

1083
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: until next summer. Um. So you've got to be real careful.

1084
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: Um because once you kind of go in and they

1085
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: know it's hard early season, once they know they're getting hunted,

1086
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: it's really hard to kill them. Um. So yeah, that's

1087
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: been my experience there. But um, you definitely can't do it.

1088
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say, uh, early season, um,

1089
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: not so much in my state. By the out of state,

1090
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: if you can get into like that mid September, those

1091
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: bigger deer are pretty much all rubbed out. And if

1092
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: you can find those rugs, I mean you're you're you're

1093
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: going to be in the money. And that's what That's

1094
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: a really good thing for somebody that's just kind of

1095
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: traveling just looking for any good buck, you know. Um,

1096
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: that's something that I've had some good success really keying

1097
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: in on. Um. And then once you get to you know,

1098
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: I guess closer to the rut. I mean, everybody kind

1099
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: of knows how to hunt the rut, you know, the funnels,

1100
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: and I like a lot of um. What I can

1101
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: on a lot is like the deeper water because it

1102
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: forms sort of like a back wall. Um. You know,

1103
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: deer obviously they swim great. I've seen them swim rivers

1104
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: and and lakes. I've yet to see a deer really

1105
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: swim across deep water in a swamp unless they're getting

1106
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: out to a ball or something like that. But so

1107
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: what I like to do is find where where those

1108
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: are cutting around that water and if I can access

1109
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: somehow um behind that, you know, whether it's wading through

1110
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: some deeper water and the actually climbing up like say

1111
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: the cypress tree that's in that water, and I never

1112
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: have to cross that trail. Um, it's just money because

1113
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: a lot of times that deeper water, especially if there's

1114
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: sun hitting it, it's it's gonna pull those thermal as

1115
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: soon as you know in the evening and the morning

1116
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: is gonna pull those thermals. Then once the sun comes up,

1117
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, obviously your thermal is are gonna be going up.

1118
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: And I've just found it to be really bulletproof. Um.

1119
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: And then late season, I really don't have much experience

1120
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: with late season because our rut in Florida goes all

1121
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: the way through in the march into some parts. So

1122
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, once we hit the rut, I pretty much

1123
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: followed the rut um all through all through the year.

1124
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: I've read you describe your hunting style as quote by

1125
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: any means necessary style. Uh, what does mean? And why

1126
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: is that so effective for you? Especially in places maybe

1127
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: like this swampy country. Um, I think it's effective like

1128
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: anywhere if if you can get out of your own

1129
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: mind and out of the box of what everybody tells

1130
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: you of how you have to kill deer, and then

1131
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: you know how you have to kill a big buck. UM.

1132
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: See a guy like justin right, the way that he's

1133
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: killing these deer is phenomenal. He's he's sliding in in

1134
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: the bedrooms and sometimes killing him the same day that

1135
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: he's pumped them, and a lot of guys will tell

1136
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: you that, you know, and I know, Andredquisto kind of

1137
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: marketed that whole thing. Um, but you know, I've kind

1138
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: of developed the same thing as if you're doing what

1139
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: everybody else is doing, you're gonna get the same thing.

1140
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: So you know, I kind of thought to myself when

1141
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: I was younger, is you don't want to just be

1142
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: a deer hunter. You gotta be different. You gotta figure

1143
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: out something that's different. And I mean, even like still

1144
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: hunting through flooded areas. Guys will tell you, I mean,

1145
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: you can't really, you can't still hunt a flooded area

1146
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: unless you know how to walk silently, which is a

1147
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: discipline itself, walking through water and not making noise. So, um,

1148
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: I think just getting outside of the box using your

1149
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: head um. And I think one of the biggest things

1150
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: is is understand if you're going for a mature deer,

1151
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: is understanding how they use their nose, um, because so

1152
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: many times you know the game is over before you

1153
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: even know you're in the game. Um, So I don't

1154
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. That was a bunch of There's a

1155
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: lot too clear, there's a lot to unpack there there's

1156
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: some good stuff. I have to ask about walking silently

1157
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: in the water. You said, that's a that's a tough

1158
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: thing to do on its own. So how do you

1159
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: pull that off? Anyone who huts into swamp will probably

1160
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: have to do something like this, whether it's in gator

1161
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: country or beaver country or points in between. So what's

1162
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: the what's your trick to pulling that off? Uh? Just

1163
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: going slow, being silent. And there's certain depths of water too.

1164
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: When you get oh, I don't know how deep it actually,

1165
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: maybe it seems like six maybe eight to ten inches

1166
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: of water. You can move at a pretty good clip

1167
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: and make minimal to no noise um. But you know

1168
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: it's sometimes it's if it's shallower water and you got mucked.

1169
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you're literally having to lift your foot up out,

1170
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: wait for the drips to come off, slide your foot

1171
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: back in um. And obviously you're not doing that for miles.

1172
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're kind of bumping into a spot

1173
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: where you're expecting to maybe run into a deer um

1174
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: either bedded or moving through that area, and you're just

1175
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: sliding through up. I mean's just like it's just like

1176
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: still hunting in the wood, you know, like crunchy leaves, um.

1177
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta work around with what you got, um.

1178
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's mostly a balance comes into it too,

1179
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: and that muck when you pick one, you're one foot up.

1180
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: You better have some balance otherwise you're gonna make a

1181
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: lot of noise when you go stamper and sideways. Yeah,

1182
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: I understand that when you do this still hunting through

1183
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: standing water, that you do some what you call cover calling.

1184
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: Can you can you describe that? Yeah, I've done that

1185
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: in the past. I really haven't done that lately. But basically, um,

1186
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: like if if you're sliding into an area and if

1187
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: you do it enough and you jump enough bucks, you

1188
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: kind of get a sense for like, man, I feel

1189
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: like there might be a buck right up there. And

1190
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 1: a lot of times when you get into these area

1191
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: when you get back into because what usually when I'm

1192
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm still hunting one of these spotted areas, it's because

1193
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,439
Speaker 1: you really can't hunt it from a tree. You really

1194
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: can't hunt it from the ground effectively, unless you know,

1195
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 1: win in cut lanes whatever before. This is an area

1196
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: where a deer has unless they're doing drives and stuff

1197
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: like that they have not um coming in contact with

1198
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: humans being in there hunting them, especially a human that

1199
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: can walk here slowly and quietly through the water. Usually

1200
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: they know from you know, half a mile away, here

1201
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: comes the guy sloshing through the water, and they know

1202
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: right where you are and when when you're coming, and

1203
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: when you can side in there quiet and then you

1204
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: make a few calls. Even old bucks, I mean, they're

1205
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: sure it's another deer like there. There's no doubt in

1206
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: their mind because there's no way that somebody could have

1207
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: stepped in their own. Um. And I've found out to

1208
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: be effective. Um. Like I said, I don't do a

1209
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: lot of that anymore, UM, mostly because I don't hunt

1210
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: those areas as much. I hunt further up north where

1211
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: there's better Dear, I hear you anything else when it

1212
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: comes to trying that still hunting approach in any kind

1213
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: of swamp, any other considerations, you know how you're when

1214
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 1: you plan to do that. You know if there's certain

1215
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: days that you would do it and others you wouldn't,

1216
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: or certain situations or anything. Yep, definitely try to stay

1217
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: away from doing it on the weekends. I've gotten several

1218
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: bucks killed, um, either by other hunters. I actually jumps

1219
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: went up to got hit by a car. Um. You

1220
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: gotta be careful about what you're doing when you're moving

1221
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: those deer around on public land. Uh if you do that,

1222
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and obviously I'm also really not doing it

1223
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: during prime time. I mean, the worst things come sliding

1224
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: up on somebody, or like I said, you jump the

1225
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: deer and then he gets shot or shot at or whatever.

1226
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, midday I like to do it. Um

1227
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: So I said, I don't do a lot of late

1228
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: season hunting, but there is one area that I do hunt.

1229
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: It would be considered late season as well, after the

1230
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: rut um. And that is actually how I like to

1231
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: hunt that area because I can scout it while I

1232
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: hunt it. Uh generally late season, mid day, not a

1233
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: lot of guys in the woods. You bump a deer around,

1234
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: he's generally gonna be all right. Um So yeah, definitely,

1235
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, and then like during the rut, you do

1236
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: have some guys who will slit all day, so you

1237
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: might not want to do it too much when other

1238
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: hunters are in the woods. That that'd be my thing.

1239
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: Uh Andy, your joke to either one of you guys

1240
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: employ the ground of approach in the swamp too. I

1241
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: can imagine there's I mean I've I've done it myself

1242
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: actually where there's situations where you know, there's there's some

1243
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: reason to want to be in a spot, but there's

1244
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: not a good tree. There's a lot of swamps, or

1245
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: there's just cattails are just stringy, little nasty trees and

1246
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: there's nowhere good to get elevated. Um uh, Andy, is

1247
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: that something that you're thinking about often? And have you

1248
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: pulled it off? Yeah? I have. I do a lot

1249
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: of still hunting, but I haven't done much in the

1250
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: swamps or marshes. Um. I have hunted from the ground

1251
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: or very very low like out of the saddle. Um.

1252
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: I've talked to Joe a little bit about this because

1253
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: a lot of times, um, you get some sometimes it's

1254
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 1: hard to find good trees, especially um where you need

1255
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: to be for these some of these older books. A

1256
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: lot of times are you know, yeah, there's these hardwoods,

1257
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: these hardwood islands or points that go down and yeah,

1258
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: if if they're coming up into there in daylight, like

1259
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: like Joe said, maybe early before the you know, the

1260
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: pressure really hits and maybe got some maincorns dropping. Then

1261
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: then it's a little easier. You can probably find a

1262
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 1: good tree to get into. But when they're staying out

1263
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: there and there may be only getting to that transition

1264
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: edge or or um not quite getting up into the

1265
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: high ground UM in daylight. A lot of those trees

1266
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: on the edge are they're not really conducive for a

1267
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: tree stand or saddle. Some of them you can, some

1268
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: of them can get just low. And like what I've

1269
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: told Joe about is lots of times I'll find a

1270
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: tree like that and I'll set up in the saddle

1271
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: literally at ground level or or six inches or a

1272
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: foot up and just use that tree as my cover, UM.

1273
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: And then I got a you know, basically that ground

1274
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: level shot, and I might be covering. I might be

1275
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: covering a trail or one or two trails, or or

1276
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: scrape right on the edge or something like that. UM.

1277
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: But a lot of times I'll be hunting just right

1278
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: from the ground and I'll just tuck myself, you know,

1279
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: kind of in the shadows, like off to the side,

1280
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: UM kind of I guess perpendicular or off to the

1281
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: side of where I expect move to be. I haven't

1282
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: done it. A large amount of that but I've done

1283
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: a fair fair amount, um. And I know Joe, Um,

1284
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: I'll let him get to this, but I know he's

1285
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: He's told me of a couple of situations where he's

1286
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: hunted from the ground on some of those islands, like

1287
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: way out there, and I think his buddy does that

1288
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: quite a bit. So Joe what he got in that regard. Yeah,

1289
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not going to be the expert in ground heading, um.

1290
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: And that's where we gotta get Jordan on one of

1291
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: these podcasts. But Jordan has done super well, um, because

1292
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: you get these like like you kind of mentioned earlier,

1293
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: as you get these high spots, there's no trees around,

1294
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: and he'll just tuck himself kind of down into the

1295
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: cat tails, say twenty yards from the bed, and a

1296
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: lot of times those deer are only moving twenty yards

1297
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: before dark and he's just sitting on their trailer off

1298
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: to the side of the trail and when they come through, Um,

1299
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: you gotta be ready. You have a split second to

1300
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: get that shot in there. So I wouldn't be the

1301
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: best person to talk to about doing it on the ground. Now.

1302
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: Like Andy, I believe you said that that big six

1303
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: pointer that you shot this year in Ohio that you

1304
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: did that with the saddle. Your feet were on the

1305
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: ground right and you were kind of leaning back in

1306
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: the saddle. Yeah, I was. I actually had the platform,

1307
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: but the platform literally was like five inches off the ground.

1308
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: So that wasn't really it wasn't really swamp, but it was.

1309
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: It was very um, it was swamp like it was.

1310
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: It was very tall grass like kind of uh, kind

1311
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: of like crp like very tall weedy stuff with some

1312
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: pockets that cover. So it did kind of was similar

1313
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: to like a cat till marsh cat tell Marshan some sorts.

1314
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was. I was basically at eye level, um.

1315
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: And that's the way I've set up a lot of

1316
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: times in the marsh there too, right on the edge.

1317
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: And that's that's another good point too. In the swamps,

1318
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: you have to be so careful in trees because you

1319
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: don't have that main trees and once you start sliding

1320
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: up one and suddenly you've got eyeballs looking at you

1321
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: and you don't even all that it's happening. Whereas say

1322
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: you're hunting hard woods or farmland, um, you can climb

1323
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: trees and deer can't see you. But in the swamps,

1324
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: it's a little different. You have to you you gotta

1325
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: make that decision. Do I really want to climb this tree?

1326
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: Is it gonna burn me if I climb this tree?

1327
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: So that's something kind of different than the swamps too.

1328
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: Can you describe, like, in a situation like that where

1329
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: you think that you could be with an eye shot

1330
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: eyeball range of a bedded deer and you're worried about

1331
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: getting too high up there? Have you found any kind

1332
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: of sweet spot? I know it's going to be depending

1333
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 1: on the tree and a lot of specifics, but if

1334
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: you had to say, like, man, you know, if I

1335
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: can get at least six or seven or nine or ten,

1336
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: or is there any kind of like sweet spot that

1337
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: you typically try to get into that's low enough that

1338
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: you're not going to get eyeball but high enough that

1339
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 1: you're still out of you know, most sight, or or

1340
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: anything you're thinking about Maybe I'm maybe I'm asking an

1341
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: impossible question, but anything you think about in that situation, Yeah,

1342
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: not necessarily. I think what it comes down to is

1343
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: in the swamps, a lot of times you have your

1344
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: one trail that you're shooting and you've gotta get up

1345
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: just high enough that you can shoot that trail, but

1346
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: then you do kind of run into the problem. You

1347
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: gotta consider the deer are gonna be sunk down into

1348
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: the mock, so now is their whole belly gonna be

1349
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: covered up? So you gotta make sure you can get

1350
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: high enough to make a good shot to that trail

1351
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: where you're expecting the deer to come through. But you

1352
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: gotta also not be so high that the entire rest

1353
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: of the swamp can see you. You know, you almost

1354
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: just have to use your gut, use your best instinct. Um,

1355
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: consider where all the deer betting, and think to yourself,

1356
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: can they see me? Um? I mean, obviously, if you

1357
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: scouted in spring, you can figure a lot of that out.

1358
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: But um, when you're hunting in the moment, usually you

1359
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: don't have that luxury, you know. Yeah, bouncing over to you,

1360
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: Doug on this topic of trees, Um, i've i've I've

1361
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: read a handful of interesting things that keep referring back

1362
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: to that that made me very interested in your style.

1363
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,520
Speaker 1: And one of the things is that you are very

1364
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: particular and patient when it comes to picking the right tree. Um,

1365
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: supposedly sometimes taking thirty to forty five minutes just standing

1366
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: there thinking about it. Um, sometimes I feel like I

1367
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: do the same thing. Can you can you tell me

1368
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: that is that accurate? Do you still do that? Why

1369
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: do you do that? Okay? And then walk me through

1370
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: your thought process, like what are the things you're thinking

1371
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: about to get to that final decision. Yeah. Sometimes, Like

1372
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm trying to help pick a tree, like for

1373
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, my buddy or whatever, and I think that

1374
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: like they think that I'm zoning out, but really you're

1375
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: dropping milk read You're looking at what it's doing when

1376
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: the wind's blowing. You're looking at what it's doing when

1377
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 1: the wind stops. You're looking at what you think is

1378
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: gonna do when the sun sets, you know, and the

1379
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: thermost kick in. And but sometimes I think a lot

1380
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: of stuff like what Joe is talking about. I mean,

1381
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: you really don't have too many tree options, so you

1382
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: have to get in where you can. And um, and

1383
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: like he said, he stole the words out of my mouth,

1384
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,440
Speaker 1: is like basically just highd up to get a shot. Um.

1385
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of it's like as high necessary

1386
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: and low as possible is the way that I like

1387
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: to hunt. But um, and then what's going through my head.

1388
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: Is you know, like Joe said, I mean, if you've

1389
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: got one trail, it's pretty easy to see what where

1390
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: that deer is gonna come out, um, But it's a

1391
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: little more like ambiguous than You've got to really kind

1392
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: of dissect it um as far as the options of

1393
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: where that deer is gonna come out, um and where

1394
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: you can shoot two from which tree. And then obviously,

1395
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: like I said, your wind, because you can't have your

1396
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: wind going the wrong way, um, at least not when

1397
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna come by, which you know that's a different

1398
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: thing is sometimes the wind is going the wrong way,

1399
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 1: but you know it's going to settle down, and you

1400
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: know those thermals are gonna kick in, and you know

1401
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: he's probably not gonna come by until after that, so

1402
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: you set up for that. Um. But yeah, it's it's

1403
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: probably would be funny if some people could watch me

1404
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: stand there and look at three different trees for thirty

1405
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: You brought up the wind. Let's let's talk a little

1406
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: bit about the unique wind or thermal impacts when hunting

1407
01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: and swamps, especially when you've got standing water. I would

1408
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: imagine there's some different impacts. I've seen some different impacts there.

1409
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: Uh is that something you can describe it all in

1410
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: your situation? Dug you gotta. I mean, are the temperature

1411
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: swings wild by you? Or is it always kind of

1412
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: hot and humid? I have no idea how that might

1413
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: impact thermals or wind changes and stuff like that. What

1414
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: do you what's going on for you and that? Um? Yeah,

1415
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: so it is pretty wild. Um temperature changes usually, but

1416
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: like early like September October, it's usually hot, human muggy

1417
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: even at night. UM. But yeah, like you said, with

1418
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: the thermals, I think one of the big things down

1419
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: here that I've noticed is like it's so the sun

1420
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: is so intense that I think it really heats up

1421
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: any of that water that they can get to. I

1422
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: mean if you walk in there in the morning before sunrise.

1423
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times I wear like jungle

1424
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: boots or sneakers or whatever. Um, and it's like stepping

1425
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: in bath water. Uh. If you're if you're stepping through water, uh,

1426
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: a space that is like exposed when the sun is up,

1427
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: so even all through the night that that water is warm. Um.

1428
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: And that definitely pulls a lot of thermal activity. UM.

1429
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: It's almost like a magnet like a thermal magnet, and

1430
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: it just sucks everything from around from the dry ground.

1431
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: So how then do you factor that into you know,

1432
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: planning where to hunt and how to you know, pull

1433
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: a fast one on a buck that seemingly would be

1434
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: able to take advantage of that. Yeah, So, I mean

1435
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: the bucks are definitely keying in on that um where

1436
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: they can, but you just have to find a spot

1437
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 1: where you can get in UM. And a lot of times,

1438
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 1: I like, I really like to hunt below the water

1439
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: line because a lot of times those bucks are kind

1440
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: of right there at the waterline, right below it, you know,

1441
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: depending on what the terrain is, what the pressure is

1442
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: UM and if you can find a way to access

1443
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: it and climb down thermal of him, it's you're kind

1444
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: of in his blind spot and it just it's it

1445
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: usually works out pretty well. I'm not following you. How

1446
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: are you hunting below the waterline? What do you mean

1447
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 1: by that? So basically you know where the water you know,

1448
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 1: So if you're walking from the dry ground toward the swamp,

1449
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, at one point your feet are gonna start

1450
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 1: getting wet, and then as you go deeper into the swamp,

1451
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: that water is pointing to get deeper. Um, so depending

1452
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: you know that, and that water line is obviously right

1453
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: where the water starts for where the water usually is,

1454
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: and that's generally within that area depending on the terrain,

1455
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: depending on how fast you know, the terrain falls off

1456
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: and gets deeper. Um, you know it's going to dictate

1457
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: where that deer travels most of the time. But he's

1458
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: generally going to travel at or below that water line

1459
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: to catch all those thermals that are getting sucked in

1460
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: from the dry ground. I follow, you know, okay, uh Joe,

1461
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: would you would you add anything when it comes to

1462
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: wind or thermals in wet swampy stuff. So exactly what

1463
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: he said, if you're if you're sitting, if you've got

1464
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: the option to sit on the edge of a swamp

1465
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,560
Speaker 1: or just into the swamp. I think that's kind of

1466
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: what he's saying. Um, he nailed it on the head.

1467
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: You kind of want to be in the swamp because

1468
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: at last, let you got your scent sucking down into there. Um.

1469
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: I guess from a more broad perspective for me with

1470
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: the but you're more open cattail swamps around here, the

1471
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: wind is pretty consistent. I mean, you can almost you

1472
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: can almost look and see what the prevailing wind is

1473
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: and that's what it's gonna be. Um. You've always got

1474
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: those different little things that can kind of mess up

1475
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: winds in certain spots, so you gotta pay attention. Um

1476
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: when you get into the cedar swamps, that's where the

1477
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 1: wind gets really sketchy and it really starts to swirl.

1478
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: And I guess that's another thing that just makes cedar

1479
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: swamps so difficult to hunt, is you you do have

1480
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: those swirrel spots swirling spots, and you say, you get

1481
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: a west wind and it might swirl one way. You

1482
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: get an east wind, it will swirl a completely different way,

1483
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: and that I think dictates the bedding a little bit too.

1484
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: Um in those cedar swamps. I've got one spot where

1485
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: a hill kind of butts up to the back of it,

1486
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: and the winds will kind of swirl around that hill,

1487
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,799
Speaker 1: and uh, the deer o bed right at the bottom

1488
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: of that hill in the in the cedar and it

1489
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 1: just it could be very difficult in the seaters, I

1490
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: guess is my experience. Yeah, I hear you there, Andy,

1491
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 1: What about you would you add anything on that one? Um? No,

1492
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: I think they pretty much covered it. The water thermal

1493
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: thing that took me a long time to figure out.

1494
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 1: By the way, I felt like an idiot, like I

1495
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,839
Speaker 1: was getting busted so much um, and I never figured

1496
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: that out. It might have been from someone on the

1497
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: hunting beast when I, you know, years ago, when they

1498
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: finally cluded me into what the heck was going on there,

1499
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: like even hunting like water holes, you know, early in

1500
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: the season. Um, you know, like I'd have the wind

1501
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: in my favor and things would die down and it

1502
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: felt like I'd still have you know, a slight wind advantage,

1503
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: and deer would come into the you know, the water

1504
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: hole or you know, to take a drink, and I'd

1505
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: get busted. Um. So it took me. It took me

1506
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: years to kind of figure that out, and then I

1507
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: started hunting it, um using it more to my advantage.

1508
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: So there's one spot in particular in this marsh where

1509
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: I used to kind of blaze through the cattails and

1510
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: there was a sweet tree that was basically this It's

1511
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: like it's like a creek bottom, but on each side

1512
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: of the creek bottom is like cattails and then you know,

1513
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: red oce your dogwood and then it kind of you know,

1514
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: blends into like some oak ridges and then fields. Well, anyway,

1515
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: the way that it's shaped, it tapers down and like

1516
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: all along that creek bottom is bedding. And during the

1517
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 1: rut it was just an awesome, awesome traivel corridor for bucks.

1518
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: And it kind of pinched down in this one area

1519
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: where I like to hunt. And there was this one

1520
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: tree that was kind of out in the middle of

1521
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,879
Speaker 1: this funnel and that it was just in the perfect location.

1522
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: It was a great tree with great cover, and I

1523
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: hunted it and deer was often passed by between me

1524
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: and the water there there the creek bottom edge, you know,

1525
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 1: at in the evening, and I would get busted early.

1526
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: This is early season where it's still kind of getting warm,

1527
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: you know, get the temperatures are warm during the day

1528
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: and then they cool, but the water temperature is still warm,

1529
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: and that's where you're starting to get that. I would

1530
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: get that pull there and I could not figure it out.

1531
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: And then finally I started I got clued in out

1532
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: of that, so I started paying more attention. Well, then

1533
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: I started coming in. I started wading through that creek

1534
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: and there was a tree that was literally I stepped

1535
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: up right off the bank and I climbed my tree

1536
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: like it was right on the edge. And then all

1537
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I could hunt that spot and I

1538
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: was completely bulletproof. And it took me a while to

1539
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: figure that out. And I wasn't quite where I needed

1540
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: to be for archery rain shots. There were some deer

1541
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: that passed by in range and some that were just

1542
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: out of range. But what's cool about that spot? As

1543
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: I could hunt it repeatedly as long as I had

1544
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: somewhat of an east wind, even if it dwindled down

1545
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: to light and variable, I could count on those thermals

1546
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 1: um to pull towards the water, and you know, I

1547
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: would drop milk weed, it would go right to that

1548
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: water and then it would kind of follow the way

1549
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: that the stream was was running. Um. But it was cool.

1550
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean I literally could hunt that if I wanted

1551
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: to hunt that ten days in a row. During the run,

1552
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: I could. I would not get busted. Um, And I

1553
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: killed a lot of deer out of that tree. But

1554
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 1: it was it was good when the that that poll

1555
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: would happened when the temperatures were still you know, getting

1556
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: up into the you know, seventies, sixties, even fifties but

1557
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: once it started getting colder, that that poll wasn't nearly

1558
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: a strong and sometimes non existent. So that's something to

1559
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 1: keep in mind too. It's a great example. Uh, Andy,

1560
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 1: I know you've got to bounce here pretty soon, and

1561
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap this up entirely here pretty quick too.

1562
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: But do you have a final question or topic you

1563
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: want to run by these guys before you've got to

1564
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: take off? Yeah, I got I got one question. Um,

1565
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: so we talked Doug, you mentioned it, Uh Joe, I

1566
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: know you think about this too quite a bit. In

1567
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: the swamps and or marshes. You know, there's gonna be

1568
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: some betting that is wind specific. You know that they're there.

1569
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: They usually bend bed here with this type of wind

1570
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: coming off the land, you know, coming off the high

1571
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: ground or whatever. And then there's gonna be these other

1572
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: spots that are more any type wind where they could

1573
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: be there on any given day in most days. Can you,

1574
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: from your guys experience, can you maybe touch on a

1575
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: few of those that were because of the terrain and

1576
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: the features, it's it's a wind specific bed and if

1577
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: they're you know, if the wind isn't blown out of

1578
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: this direction off this piece of high ground or whatever

1579
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: they aren't there, and then and maybe some other examples

1580
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: of any wind type bedding. UM, let's start with Doug

1581
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: oh boy, okay. UM. So I would say most of

1582
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: the beds that I know of are any wind. UM.

1583
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: It's very very rare for me to find a bed

1584
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: that I think is uh wind specific, mainly because I

1585
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: feel like in the swamp it's not just the wind UM.

1586
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: I think they're mainly. What I've found by me is

1587
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: they're mainly keying in on those thermals, the thermal activity UM.

1588
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: And then they're also using at least one, if not

1589
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: to other senses meaning uh, they're using their sense of site,

1590
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: or they're using a lot of times of a sense

1591
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: of hearing. And I think that they just feel so

1592
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: secure when there is standing water around them, UM, especially

1593
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: if they can see up toward a dry land where

1594
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: any anybody would normally come from. UM. I just feel

1595
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: like they feel like they're bulletproof. And I will say

1596
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: I do think they gravitate to those spots that are

1597
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 1: in favor for them for the most predominant winds, the

1598
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: most or prevailing I forget which term is right, but

1599
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: the wind is that is most common. UM. And also

1600
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 1: I found the kind of spots where the terrain UM.

1601
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: I find a lot like in broken terrain UM where

1602
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: it's kind of open, maybe it's kind of brushy, and

1603
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:56,440
Speaker 1: then there's like some uh scattered maybe like islands of

1604
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: trees where those those little islands actually kind of pinball

1605
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: the wind. And it seems to always pinball it into

1606
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: the same spot or into you know, towards the same

1607
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: in those books. Uh seemed the key in on that. UM.

1608
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of one that is when specific,

1609
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: and I just I just can't think of one that

1610
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 1: I've that I've ever found. And I also don't run

1611
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: the cameras like you guys do a lot, so I

1612
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: don't have enough intels to say like, yeah, this bucket

1613
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: here every time on a on a you know, a

1614
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: north wind, and he's never got on a south wind. UM.

1615
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 1: It's not something that I've found. Yeah, yeah, he I

1616
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: was afraid to say it, but he said exactly what

1617
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,799
Speaker 1: I was thinking. I just don't see that much one specific,

1618
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 1: and I think it's I mean, I'm just gonna repeat

1619
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: everything he said. It's it seems like it's just more

1620
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: that they feel so secure in there, and I think

1621
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: what it really comes down to is their nose. They

1622
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: haven't smelled humans in those swamps for say weeks or months,

1623
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: and they just feel so secure in there that if

1624
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: a human does come tromping through there, they're gonna hear

1625
01:23:58,120 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: it and they're gonna be able to get out of

1626
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: there in time. I don't see it that often now.

1627
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: Before I talked about that one um the cedar swamp

1628
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: situation where when the wind is hitting if you can

1629
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: picture just picture like a rectangular cedar swamp with a

1630
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: circular hill on the side of it, When the wind

1631
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: is hitting the side of the hill that the cedar

1632
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: swamp is not on, it seems like the wind almost

1633
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: comes around both sides of that hill and kind of

1634
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 1: meets right in that one spot and that then there's

1635
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: a lot of deer in my experience in that particular spot.

1636
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: I've seen it where you could just count on deer

1637
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 1: being in there, but to hunt it is extremely difficult. Um.

1638
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, I haven't seen that much when specific, I'd

1639
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: be curious to hear what Mark and Andy have to

1640
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: say on this. Yeah, and it's just real quick. I

1641
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: want to piggyback on that. Sorry, Um, what he said

1642
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: about like that island or that hill, I do see

1643
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: that as well. Um. And sometimes they will kind of

1644
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: position themselves a little bit different for the wind, you know. Um,

1645
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: But I don't see them betting in a completely different area. Um,

1646
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: just because the wind is switching. I know you gotta bounce, Andy,

1647
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: But do you have thirty seconds to give us an

1648
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: example of this wind specific? Yeah, I'm good as long

1649
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 1: as i'm you know, as long as i'm done, like

1650
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: some forty five, I'm good. So you can edit that out. Sorry, Well,

1651
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: what do you get? Okay? So I it's you know,

1652
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: this is it's obviously really hard to prove this right

1653
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: because we're not we don't know if the deer are there. Um.

1654
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: I feel like the times that I have seen where

1655
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: it's where I think it's more wind specific, is when

1656
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: they're bedded like right off of a point, um. And

1657
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: a lot of times that wind is coming like down

1658
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: off the point off like the main woods are the

1659
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: main high ground, um, and they're bedded right off that point.

1660
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: Maybe a little a little clump of trees like right

1661
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: off that point in the cattails or something. I feel like,

1662
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: if there's any that's wind specific. It's that now as

1663
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: far as like the islands or you know, the pockets

1664
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 1: that are way out there in the marsh, or the

1665
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: or the lone trees where it's like kind of surrounded

1666
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: all by thick cover, all by cat tails, are all

1667
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: by um, you know, good security cover. I feel like

1668
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: those are more any wind um. But you know, I'm

1669
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: not going to go out and say for sure that

1670
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: their bet only bet on those points, you know, on

1671
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 1: a specific wind, because I've haunted them when the wind

1672
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: isn't quite like that, and I've still had deer come in.

1673
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: I just haven't. I haven't killed a good one with

1674
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: the wind like blowing right in my face on a point,

1675
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: but I have killed a couple off of a point

1676
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: with my wind blowing out into the swamp and it's

1677
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: just missing that bed. So I don't. I don't know.

1678
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: I would I defer to someone who has more experience.

1679
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: I guess, um, I have a lot of experience in

1680
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: this type of setting, but I don't know that I'm

1681
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: confident enough to say one way or the other. But

1682
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: if I was going to point to one that it

1683
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: seems more wind specific, is is when there's a point

1684
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: coming off the main ground, the main woods going out

1685
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: into the marsh, and the deer better like right off

1686
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: that point. M makes sense at least if I can

1687
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 1: add one thing. So well, it kind of seems that

1688
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: we're all kind of saying the common thing. It doesn't see,

1689
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of non wind specific betting. One thing

1690
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 1: that is very specific with the wind is how early

1691
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: they seem to be willing to get up and actually move. So,

1692
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got it where the wind is,

1693
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: if they can leave their bed and have the wind

1694
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 1: in their nose, it seems like they're much more willing

1695
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: to get up early versus if they if they don't

1696
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: have in their nose and they can't send check as

1697
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 1: they're coming out of the swamp, it seems like they'll

1698
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: move a little bit later. So that's one. Well, a

1699
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: lot of the betting doesn't seem specifically win specific. How

1700
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: they move in and out of it and what time

1701
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: they do does seem that way. Yeah, that's a good

1702
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: point to they could they could have been there and

1703
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,679
Speaker 1: just not getting to where I was in daylight. Um,

1704
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: That's why I said, it's it's kind of hard to

1705
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: prove um, But yeah, I don't know. That's good stuff

1706
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: to hear you guys say that you don't see much

1707
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: win specific though. That's that's pretty pretty eye opening because

1708
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: I was I was kind of convinced on the point

1709
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: thing that I had it figured out, but maybe not,

1710
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: but you might. You might, you might have that point

1711
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: figured out. I think it also has to do with

1712
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: how many options the buck has. If there's different points

1713
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,600
Speaker 1: that are good for different major winds, then maybe he

1714
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: does bounce around to the best point for that day.

1715
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: But I just don't have enough experience with tracking specific

1716
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,600
Speaker 1: bucks on specific wind to really say that that is

1717
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: or isn't. H I H. I love the level of

1718
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: the level of like new ones you can get with

1719
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, Like I, I don't have enough

1720
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: experience in this specific instance to say anything, but I

1721
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 1: just geek out about the fact that there is something

1722
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: to say about it, like the fact that that we

1723
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: can sit here and and kind of go back and

1724
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 1: forth about all the little intricacies of how these bucks

1725
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: might use these specific terrain features. Like that is why

1726
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 1: hunting and really diving deep into a specific kind of

1727
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: habitat just fascinates me, Like just trying to really understand

1728
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:21,839
Speaker 1: how these puzzle pieces go together at this level of detail.

1729
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: It's it's the top of the peak. I think when

1730
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 1: it comes to deer hunting. Um, it's it's just fun.

1731
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: Let alone, how successful can make you be. It's just fun. Um.

1732
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: And that being the case though, UM, as much as

1733
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this, I do need to wrap things up

1734
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 1: on my end, So I want to just end with

1735
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: a quick, rapid fire kind of question for each one

1736
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: of you guys, um and and kind of leave it there.

1737
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: And my question I'd like you each to give me

1738
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:56,560
Speaker 1: your take on, is what you think the biggest mistake

1739
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,839
Speaker 1: is that most people make when hunting in a swamp

1740
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 1: like once that one big thing or or one specific

1741
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,839
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not the biggest, but if it's one specific

1742
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: thing that you think matters a lot, that a lot

1743
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: of guys or girls are probably screwing up on this terrain. Uh, Joe,

1744
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: what what jumps out to you first? Yeah? The first

1745
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: thing and it's the thing I did wrong for the longest,

1746
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: is uh just messing around too much? You know, you

1747
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 1: kind of you read some sign, you think you figure

1748
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: out a spot, and you're just in there too much,

1749
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: messing around, and you just really need to stay out

1750
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: of those spots. And when they're when they're ready, or

1751
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: when you know that deer's coming, either jump in and

1752
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: kill them. That's this is the biggest thing, is people

1753
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: just messing around too much, all right, Doug, Um, I

1754
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: got two in my mind. One is access but everybody

1755
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 1: talents access um the importance of it. But one big

1756
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 1: thing that I found in Florida is sitting all day.

1757
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: Guys think that bucks don't move because it gets too hot.

1758
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: And most of the deer that I've killed have been

1759
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: between like ten and three ish, and a lot of

1760
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: them over ninety degrees. Those bucks will get up and move,

1761
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 1: So pack your launched. That's my that's my tip. Wow,

1762
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 1: And what about you, Andy? One final mistake that you

1763
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: want to make sure I don't make next year, I'd

1764
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 1: say I'd say most guys get intimidated by it as

1765
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: far as um accessing where you really need to go

1766
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 1: to get into the big ones. So um, if you

1767
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: can get past you know the mental block of maybe

1768
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 1: having to wait in you know, up to your belly button,

1769
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: or to kayak in through some stuff that you're not

1770
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 1: sure you're going to get out of or um, you know,

1771
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 1: walk in sinking up to your knees. If you can

1772
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: get past that, I don't think that they're terribly hard

1773
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: to hunt, but some of these spots that you need

1774
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 1: to get to to get to the older bucks are

1775
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 1: hard to get to. So if you can be mentally

1776
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 1: tough enough to do that, I think, um, you'll be

1777
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 1: way ahead of the average guy out there. Wise words,

1778
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: all right, Andy, Doug, Joe, thank you all. This is uh,

1779
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 1: this has been a lot of fun, and I know

1780
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of folks are gonna benefit from us,

1781
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 1: So thank you. It was fun. Man enjoyed it. Thanks yep,

1782
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, Thanks all right, And that is a rap.

1783
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 1: I hope you guys learned as much as I did

1784
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,640
Speaker 1: in this one. Man, there's so many places across the

1785
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 1: country where there are swamps or wet lands or marshes

1786
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 1: or catdil, you know, potholes, whatever it might be, that

1787
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: that you can apply these kinds of ideas too. So

1788
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm hoping a lot of you are gonna be able

1789
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: to take this to the woods and use it this fall.

1790
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 1: Well that said, I will just offer a couple quick reminders.

1791
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: Number One, make sure you are signed up for our

1792
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,840
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1793
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,599
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1794
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,519
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1795
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: eater dot com to sign up. Secondly, make sure you're

1796
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: following wired Hunt on Instagram. And I think that's it

1797
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 1: for the moment. A lot of exciting news to come

1798
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks. I'll be sharing with

1799
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 1: that with you soon, but until then, thank you for

1800
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: being here, thanks for your attention, and stay wired to Hunt.