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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hi girl, Hi, it's just Us today. Just us too,

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Speaker 2: Got anything for me?

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Speaker 3: I am curious whether Jace is riding the school bus

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Speaker 3: or not. I need like updates in life.

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Speaker 2: So I ask them in the morning. I say when

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Speaker 2: I am able to write, like when Alan is like tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: I won't be able to drive them just because it

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Speaker 2: is during Roman's naptime and when he's gone, he's got

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Speaker 2: to go to New York, in Chicago, those places, and

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Speaker 2: so I'll say when he's here though, and I'm able

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Speaker 2: to take them, I'll be like, hey, guys, do you

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Speaker 2: want Mamy to drive you to school today? And they

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Speaker 2: always say yes when I do ask, And then when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the pickup times, sometimes I'm able to

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Speaker 2: sometimes i'm not. Like today I asked the other day

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Speaker 2: They're like, no, we'll drive home, ride at home. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but too they wanted me to pick up so and

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Speaker 2: then today I'm picking up. So it's kind of like

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Speaker 2: whenever it's it's just a little mix. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Has it been better on the bus?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Good? I think so. I mean they haven't really

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Speaker 2: wrote it that much, right, like the holiday, so it's

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Speaker 2: like the only word they were only really wrote it

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Speaker 2: the one. Yeah, But well I think that's good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I think it's just a little bit of and

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Speaker 2: it's funny. This one girl DM me and was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, you shouldn't just listen to what Alan says

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Speaker 2: and you know, don't lose your voice. I'm like, first

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Speaker 2: and foremost, i will never lose my voice in anything,

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Speaker 2: like I'm their mama, like you know, because they were like,

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Speaker 2: the decision should between the mom and the dad. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: but I'm also open to hearing other people's opinions. You know,

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Speaker 2: she wasn't being mean. She was just basically being like,

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Speaker 2: you know, well I didn't read it, doesn't mean, but

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Speaker 2: she was basically saying, don't let the stepdad come in

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Speaker 2: and make the decisions, Like, how would you feel if

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Speaker 2: my hat? I was like, he's not making the decisions

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Speaker 2: when it comes to But I'm also open to hearing

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Speaker 2: people's opinions of what they think and bringing in my

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Speaker 2: partner because normally I just control the situation, right Instead,

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Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do different is to open the

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Speaker 2: conversation to everyone.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a right to have an opinion on that

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Speaker 3: or he doesn't necessarily make the final call. Of course,

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Speaker 3: we know you would never want him to feel like

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Speaker 3: he doesn't have a voice in those.

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Speaker 2: Kinds of one thousand or so.

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Speaker 4: Well, and you asked our opinion too. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 4: the thing.

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Speaker 2: I think it's I I like to hear people's opinions

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Speaker 2: with U. I have a even though you guys say

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty I have Like with the wedding dress. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's like, yes, I knew what I wanted, but I

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Speaker 2: still sure.

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Speaker 3: Also, yeah, you always want opinions, but it's like when

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Speaker 3: we showed up and like, no, you know what you want?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know exactly what one right? Right?

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that's a bad thing to get.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, Okay, I just needed an update to see

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Speaker 3: how it was going for sweet Jase.

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Speaker 4: What else you got?

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Speaker 2: You know, he's doing great. Sweet, You're so funny, Kat,

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Speaker 2: because I told you something of Mike and now I

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Speaker 2: just hear like prodding.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think I don't get.

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Speaker 2: The full story. I know, I just don't know if

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about it. It's tricky because I

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Speaker 2: just don't know. I don't know. It's like it's volve

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Speaker 2: Stolie and I also want to respect her stuff. But

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Speaker 2: I think it was a really good conversation, Like it

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Speaker 2: was a really good teaching moment that we were able

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Speaker 2: to have together, which is awesome. So that's where it's,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know because I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: I also don't want to shed light in a bad way.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know. I don't even know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard, I think you I don't Again, I

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Speaker 3: don't know the full story. But I think what's hard

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Speaker 3: is that all of our kids are going to do

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Speaker 3: things that we're really proud of, and they're going to

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Speaker 3: do things that are a teaching moment or things that

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Speaker 4: All of them.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, but there's not a child out there

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Speaker 3: I do not know what the situation is, but I

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Speaker 3: know that we all have those situations, right, and especially

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Speaker 3: learn what's what's not, what's right, what's wrong, how to

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Speaker 3: handle different situations right. So if you choose to share,

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Speaker 3: because I understand not it is your child, it is

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean there have been times I've shared

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Speaker 3: things on here I'm like, maybe I shouldn't about you know.

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Speaker 4: But also I.

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Speaker 3: Do understand that these kinds of conversations are good to

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Speaker 3: hear as moms, to know we're not the only ones

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Speaker 3: that go through those true teaching moments.

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Speaker 4: But you can put a pin in it if you want.

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Speaker 2: No, it's fine, I'll say. I think my fear is

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Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to say that she's a bully

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Speaker 2: because she's like the farthest thing from sure. She's so like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: her her heart is the so beautiful, she just okay, well,

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Speaker 2: I guess I'll okay, I'll say, just because you're right

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Speaker 2: with that point where it is, well, we're.

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Speaker 4: Also very quick to say that someone that people are

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Speaker 4: bullies too. I mean, bullies are bullies.

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Speaker 3: Let me say, I'm I'm not standing up for any bullies,

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Speaker 3: but sometimes when a situation happens, we have to separate

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Speaker 3: that kids are going to make bad decisions, that doesn't

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Speaker 3: necessarily make them a bully.

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Speaker 2: Right, well, right, And that's why I don't know that

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Speaker 2: because I don't think in that moment she was I

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Speaker 2: just yeah, yeah, worried about that because that would just

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Speaker 2: like break my heart because that's not the case. If

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Speaker 2: just break my heart. But okay, so we were at

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Speaker 2: softball and she's so good at I mean, she's amazing,

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Speaker 2: she's you know, just killing it. I feel like she

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Speaker 2: and she you know, she was first up to bat

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Speaker 2: and she makes a hit. It's great, she scores, gets

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Speaker 2: shortstop and something happens. There's an altercation that happens, and

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Speaker 2: between her and another girl, but I didn't again, I

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Speaker 2: And this is the first time all season she's struck out,

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Speaker 2: like she hit too, which one calls a foul balls

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Speaker 2: great job, great hits. Those are really strong, and she's

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Speaker 2: just like, Mommy, I need to talk to you, and

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Speaker 2: her eyes are like welling up, and I was like, honey,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, just because you didn't hit, it's okay, baby,

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Speaker 2: like your great job and you got two foul like

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Speaker 2: you actually hit. But yeah, there were fouls and people

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Speaker 2: strike out all the time. This is just because the

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Speaker 2: you about it in here, and I was like, well,

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Speaker 2: are you hurt? She said no. I said, okay, can

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Speaker 2: it wait till after the game, because I also like,

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Speaker 2: there's a game, bring on, you know, I don't want

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Speaker 2: it to be like okay, honey, like you know, like

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Speaker 2: she also needs to know that she just now support

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Speaker 2: her team, and I'm just thinking, again, it's about the things.

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Speaker 2: So I said, are you hurt? No, Okay, So I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, go cheer on, you know, cheer

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Speaker 2: and again, all I know is that she's mad about

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Speaker 2: striking out. So I'm like, Jolie, get it together. Cheer

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Speaker 2: on your team, you know. Right now, I'm just thinking

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Speaker 2: then Mike went over there too, because I was like,

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Speaker 2: like you support your team, yeah, dry the eyes. I

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Speaker 2: know you can be disappointed, but like that's just where

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Speaker 2: then I was like, oh my gosh, what happened. But

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Speaker 2: I also saw the girl doing stuff on the sidelines

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Speaker 2: I go to Pama, what did she just call her

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Speaker 2: a loser? Pam's like, we'll talk about in the car.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, no, what happened because I need

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say something to my child. You know.

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Speaker 2: I won't stay in the car. I'm not gonna yell

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Speaker 2: So we go home and you know, I was like, hey, girl,

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Speaker 2: want to talk to me about? In the dugout and

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Speaker 2: she starts crying and I'm like what are the tears for?

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Speaker 2: And she's like, I go what are your feelings right now?

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Speaker 2: She's like I feel sad, and I'm like, okay, why

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Speaker 2: do you feel sad, She's said, because of the situation.

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Speaker 2: And I said, okay, I said, do you have any

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Speaker 2: other feelings? She's like, I feel nervous, and I was like, way,

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Speaker 2: why do you feel nervous. She's like, I feel like

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Speaker 2: you're I'm nervous because I think you're gonna be mad

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Speaker 2: at me. And I'm like, well, let's just have a conversation.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing your feelings, you know. So we start.

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Speaker 2: She starts telling me she said she was playing shortstop

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Speaker 2: and the girl and at this point they had more

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Speaker 2: points than us. We ended up winning, but that's the

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Speaker 2: easy to the girls on the other team. The girl

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Speaker 2: to be you know what everyone's talking about when those

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Speaker 2: shows have worked so well.

429
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Speaker 1: We talk about this a lot amongst ourselves on the

430
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Speaker 1: small Ville cast, and there's always been this idea booting

431
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Speaker 1: around of an animated series.

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Speaker 4: So I like the idea of it.

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Speaker 1: If, like you said, we're doing this kind of building

434
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Speaker 1: upon something, or we're in a different place, we're not

435
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Speaker 1: revisiting the same things that we've done already, and with

436
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Speaker 1: something like Smallville, we can't. Because Smallville itself was based

437
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Speaker 1: on the puberty of Clark Kent, That's what it was.

438
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Speaker 1: It was about this kid in high school. This man

439
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,159
Speaker 1: is no longer a child. He is, you know, a

440
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Speaker 1: grown man, and we would be looking at new, new

441
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 1: ideas and all of these characters would be in different places.

442
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Speaker 1: But again, is that the thing I want the most

443
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Speaker 1: in the world, that I want to see the most?

444
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Speaker 4: Maybe not?

445
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 1: You know, something fresh, something new, something reflective of the times.

446
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 1: I think that that's more engaging to me. But I'm

447
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Speaker 1: hesitant to draw a hardline on that because I mean,

448
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Speaker 1: there's wonderful stuff that's come out.

449
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Speaker 2: Right, And how did did did Fox come to you

450
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,360
Speaker 2: with Murder in small Town? Or how did this project

451
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 2: come about.

452
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: It's actually a funny story. In about twenty twenty one,

453
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Speaker 1: I was at home in Toronto, it's where I was

454
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Speaker 1: living at the time, and Tina Pem and Kim Roberts,

455
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Speaker 1: who on the company CPF Films, came to me. I

456
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: had worked with them on a movie a million years

457
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,439
Speaker 1: ago called Partition, and they were like, we have this show,

458
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Speaker 1: which at that time was called Alberg, and they wanted

459
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Speaker 1: to know if I would come on and produce with

460
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Speaker 1: them and act in the role that I act in now.

461
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: And I had at that time, I had a whole

462
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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff going on. I was getting a degree,

463
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Speaker 1: I was doing all these things, and I said no.

464
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: And then it came back around when I had moved

465
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Speaker 1: back to Vancouver, and so I wanted to work with them.

466
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Speaker 1: And Ian Weir, who wrote the first show I ever

467
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Speaker 1: acted in when I was seventeen years old, and he

468
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Speaker 1: writes on this show and I ended up auditioning for

469
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Speaker 1: it and you know, and doing it. So that's that's

470
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Speaker 1: how this one came about. It was kind of a funny,

471
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Speaker 1: serendipitous situation.

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Speaker 2: I love that love a good full circle. But I

473
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Speaker 2: feel like you, like when I hear your name and

474
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Speaker 2: the things that you've done. I feel like you've done

475
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Speaker 2: a really good job not getting into the drama of

476
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 2: media and Hollywood, and you know, you're I don't know

477
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 2: much about your life. I don't know, you know. Even

478
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Speaker 2: I was like, is she married? She's like, I was like,

479
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Speaker 2: I don't because you've done such a good job not

480
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Speaker 2: being in the public eye. Was that intentional? And yea

481
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: to this day, like I'm like, are you even on Instagram?

482
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Speaker 2: Like I don't know. It's like because now it's like

483
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Speaker 2: I feel like all celebrities, they're very touchable, like you

484
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 2: can you can connect with them, you know who they are,

485
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: like you know things. But it's like, but there's such

486
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Speaker 2: a beautiful mystery within you that I'm like, okay, like

487
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Speaker 2: what is your story? And is that very intentional? That

488
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Speaker 2: that that's how you you know, was that intentional plan? Yeah?

489
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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean when I came up and when Smallville

490
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Speaker 1: came out in two thousand and one, it was a

491
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Speaker 1: different environment. You know, this the world was a different place,

492
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Speaker 1: and I it freaked me out. Being in the public

493
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Speaker 1: eye scared me. It was something I had to really

494
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Speaker 1: adjust to. And I and I at a certain point,

495
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Speaker 1: I started to back off a little bit because it

496
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Speaker 1: didn't it didn't feel safe. And I've never lived in

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Speaker 1: the States. I've always lived in Canada. I've kept a

498
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Speaker 1: very private life and I do have Instagram, but I

499
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Speaker 1: use it mostly to you know, show pictures of nice

500
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Speaker 1: hikes and books that I'm reading and promote shows. It's

501
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: not something where I share a lot of my private

502
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Speaker 1: self on So yeah, it has been intentional. And I mean,

503
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Speaker 1: I've never had a personal publicist ever, and I've been

504
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Speaker 1: in this business since I was seventeen and I turned

505
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Speaker 1: forty to forty two this year, so I just have

506
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Speaker 1: never done it, and it still feels like the right

507
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Speaker 1: the right choice for me. I'm sure that it has

508
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Speaker 1: hindered my career in a bunch of ways, but I

509
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Speaker 1: think that that that has felt right.

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Speaker 2: It sounds peaceful, it does. I really would love that.

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Speaker 4: Can we keep up?

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Speaker 2: I know if I I mean, it would be so nice.

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Speaker 2: Like looking back, I'm like, when did I and I

514
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Speaker 2: know when I started to share more, But yeah, it's

515
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Speaker 2: it's it's insane. So that's a that's a beautiful thing

516
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Speaker 2: and I love that.

517
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Speaker 1: But sharing also is gorgeous. There's something special about learning

518
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: so much about people's lives and having control over that

519
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: because when we first came up, that wasn't an option.

520
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: You didn't have that control. You were dependent entirely on

521
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: all of these powers that be to tell your story

522
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: for you. And now you can tell your own story

523
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Speaker 1: and you can share what you want and people can

524
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Speaker 1: connect to that, and I also think that's gorgeous. It's

525
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Speaker 1: just deciding what's right and where the boundaries lie for

526
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Speaker 1: each of us individually.

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, and helping people, you know, like that's yeah,

528
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Speaker 2: I love that aspect of it. Yeah.

529
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Speaker 3: Well, that's such a good point because I can remember

530
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Speaker 3: back when you had a record deal and it was

531
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Speaker 3: the beginning of all of this sharing, and everyone had

532
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Speaker 3: an opinion and including me, including people, what you should share,

533
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Speaker 3: what you shouldn't share. And that's when you kind of

534
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Speaker 3: decided when that was over, to take it on yourself

535
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Speaker 3: and decide yourself what you could share, which is a

536
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 3: beautiful thing as well, because you've got control over it. Yeah,

537
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: which is really hard used to be very hard in

538
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Speaker 3: this industry. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, I can remember meetings.

539
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Speaker 4: Do you not need to share this?

540
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: I wasn't allowed to wear my hair up. My hair

541
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 2: had to be down. I mean, oh yeah, yeah, no,

542
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: it's not you no, but they're like, hare has to

543
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Speaker 2: be down, Like what is the world is? What is this? Was?

544
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Speaker 4: Your hair was a big deal.

545
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: Couldn't cut my hair, couldn't And they always referenced felicity,

546
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, when Carrie Russell cut her hair.

547
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Speaker 4: That's so funny.

548
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: That's insane, that's so crazy to me.

549
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 4: Maybe it had something to do with the hair.

550
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: Who knows, I might have Lord, I do want to

551
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: bring up the and if it's okay, the nexium stuff.

552
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: I had worked on a because I worked on a

553
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: show with Sarah years ago and then when she yeah, yeah,

554
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: so we were in We're filming a movie in Vancouver

555
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 2: and she played like my friend in the movie and

556
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: she was so lovely and we were kind of talking

557
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: about I had just gotten back together with my husband

558
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: who had an affair, and she was telling me about

559
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: this you know, nexium and how you know it's it's

560
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: very self help, and it was one of those things

561
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: where I was like, man, this sounds great. And then

562
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: when I was reading about kind of your story with it,

563
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: and that's kind of what you were also spoken to

564
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Speaker 2: that it was more of like the self help because

565
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: I was even like, yeah, girl, tell me more about it,

566
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: because it sounds like that's what I need, Like I need, like,

567
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 2: you know, just a support and a community. And I remember,

568
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: you know, talking to her post everything came out and

569
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Speaker 2: I'm just like whoa, Like it must have been such

570
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 2: a whiplash, you know, for you too, because because from

571
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Speaker 2: what I read that you didn't know about everything else,

572
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 2: like behind the scenes of what was actually going on.

573
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: But was that did that kind of because obviously you

574
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Speaker 2: went into it for the for the self help aspect

575
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Speaker 2: of this. From what I read, was it hard for

576
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Speaker 2: you then to find a path that you could trust

577
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: in that self help journey?

578
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: Interesting? I mean, I mean I never talk about this,

579
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: but I am.

580
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: Sorry here, I am trying to take the She's trying

581
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: to be private, and I'm like, open the door.

582
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: No I have I can tell you certain aspects of this,

583
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: but I yeah, I was very shy. As I alluded

584
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: to earlier in this, I spent many years on Smallville

585
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: reading books in a corner and that was the way

586
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: that I could get through the day. I just anyway,

587
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: So when it came to this kind of I mean,

588
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: and Sarah Edmondson brought it to me as well as

589
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: she did to you, and I was like, this is

590
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: a wonderful way to, you know, work through limitations. And

591
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it, and I was in

592
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: a relationship at the time and he wanted to and

593
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: so it was something that I did and and honestly,

594
00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 1: it did work. I was able to change siggnificantly and

595
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: it lasted, and those issues that I had, I don't

596
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: have in the same way anymore. That said, I was

597
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: lucky in that I never got too deep inside of it.

598
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: I never lived in Albany. I always had a career

599
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: and a family and friends and you know, reasons why

600
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: I left are personal, but yeah, it was. It was

601
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: a challenge to reconcile all of it, although I didn't

602
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: feel like unlike Sarah, who is there until the very

603
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: end and is the reason why a lot of this

604
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: fell apart. Thank God, I was gone long before and

605
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of ties to people, so

606
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: it was less of a I don't know, it was

607
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: less the grappling was less intense, although it was brutal

608
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: and devastating and sad to hear what had been happening

609
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: and to know what had been going on behind the scenes.

610
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: And that's something that I think about often, and I'm

611
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: so I feel so lucky that I wasn't more impacted,

612
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: like so many people were, so many women. Really it

613
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: was the women who There were many men of this company,

614
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: many many men, but none of them really were impacted

615
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 1: in the way that the women were, both through being

616
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: inside of it and also through the way they were

617
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: treated in the press.

618
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Speaker 4: On both sides.

619
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Speaker 1: This was a salacious case that people ate up, and

620
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it was harmful to a lot of people

621
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Speaker 1: and has made me really question a lot of true

622
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: crime and a lot of that kind of content as

623
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: revictimizing people. And yeah, so I guess I guess that

624
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: answers it.

625
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Speaker 2: What would you say, murder in a small town? If

626
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Speaker 2: it was like, if you could merge two shows together,

627
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: what is the vibe of the.

628
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Speaker 1: Show merge two shows together? I mean, that's challenging, but

629
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Speaker 1: it is. It is about a small community. So it

630
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: is about a beautiful, lovely, small community in a gorgeous

631
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Speaker 1: setting that has an episodic generally an episodic murder at

632
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: it's at its heart, and it's also a love story.

633
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 4: So it is.

634
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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to think of like two specific shows,

635
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: but it is a fun, charming, engaging, and heartfelt series

636
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: about a community of people.

637
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Speaker 2: H I want to watch it.

638
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds great.

639
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: Well, I love that and I love everything that you do.

640
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: Where I mean, is there anything else that you what's

641
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: the biggest kind of takeaway from the last like learning

642
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: those new things about yourself that you carry on with

643
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: you today.

644
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that I learned is Gosh,

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Speaker 1: that's hard to encapsulate, but I do believe that it

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Speaker 1: is around really recognizing where my fears come up and

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Speaker 1: seeing what they are tied to. If they are linked

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Speaker 1: to something that is real that is happening in the

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Speaker 1: present moment, or if it's something that I have that

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Speaker 1: I'm pulling up from my childhood or from other experiences

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Speaker 1: I've had, if I'm dealing with something that's actually happening

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Speaker 1: in the moment, or if I'm dealing with something that

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Speaker 1: is not present in reality, and being able to parse

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Speaker 1: that out and analyze it in the moment so that

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Speaker 1: I can feel more free.

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Speaker 2: Love that, Well, thank you so much. Everyone watch Murder

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Speaker 2: in a Small Town premiering Tuesday, September twenty fourth on Fox.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, appreciate you coming on. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you sn