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<v Speaker 1>best Friends Forever, m H. Welcome to the Fantasy best

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<v Speaker 1>Friends Forever on a Tuesday, year breaks Up will be

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<v Speaker 1>joining us shortly. I am Frank Stamfull holding it down

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<v Speaker 1>for now. As I mentioned yesterday, you know, Greg takes

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<v Speaker 1>his time getting up the stairs. He's got all these

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<v Speaker 1>things going on. He's an older gentleman. We're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hold it against We're still gonna hold it down here

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<v Speaker 1>or the time being. But we're gonna be joined by

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<v Speaker 1>good friend of the program here, Nick Pollock at picture

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<v Speaker 1>List Great Content. Make sure you follow him on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>top one starting pitchers Every Monday. Try and catch the

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<v Speaker 1>can listen to it on SoundCloud. Nick, what's going on, man?

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<v Speaker 1>How's everything? What is happening is it's just gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>me and you for a moment. This is uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is nice. I don't know. I mean, I love Greg,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong, but this feels I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we're the best friends forever. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to let him know you're stealing his job,

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<v Speaker 1>like Collix swooping in here and stealing the job of

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<v Speaker 1>one Greg Susman. But this gives us a good opportunity to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, actually get stuff done without craign. But last night, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not the most eventful night. It wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest night in terms of starting pitching. Jay happ only

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<v Speaker 1>gave up one home run, So I'll take that as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a positive. As a Yankees fan, Nick, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about you, man, but um, you know, these

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<v Speaker 1>West Coast games, especially with the Yankees, they kill me

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, I stood up until off the eleventh

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<v Speaker 1>ending last night around one am, I go to sleep

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<v Speaker 1>and wake up in the middle of night check and

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to see what happened with the Yankees? But

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<v Speaker 1>it's tough. It's tough here on the East Coast staying

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<v Speaker 1>up here trying to watch some West Coast games, and

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<v Speaker 1>especially now the Yankees are on this West Coast road trip.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a killer. It's a killer, man. West Coast games

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<v Speaker 1>are the worst. I do this article every single night,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the sp round up, going over every single

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<v Speaker 1>starting pitcher performance from that day, and I try and

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<v Speaker 1>write that before I go to bed, which means I

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<v Speaker 1>need to wait until the West Coast games are done

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, so that I can actually report

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<v Speaker 1>on the starting pitcher. It's it can be brutal, but

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<v Speaker 1>I am happy you went to bed and didn't suffer

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<v Speaker 1>the twelfth ind and come back the Yankees had and

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<v Speaker 1>then the fourteenth any final victory, but that was we

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<v Speaker 1>thought we were out of purgatory. And then now you

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<v Speaker 1>got some more innings to go. Yeah, a roll of

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<v Speaker 1>Chatman blows his first save of the season. You know

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<v Speaker 1>the Yankees, well, the strength of the team is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be the pullpen and roller. Chatman blows a saved

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday and the whole the baccle Sunday after a great

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<v Speaker 1>pitching performance from James Paxson, they blew his wind. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very frustrating time. And you know whatever, Yankee fans are spoiled.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not really though, since like the turn of

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<v Speaker 1>the generation. It's you know, it hasn't hasn't been all

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<v Speaker 1>uh all rainbows and uh and blue skies here for

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<v Speaker 1>for Yankee fans. But it is what it is. We're

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting. We're getting a little taste of what the

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<v Speaker 1>Mets have gone through basically over the past couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>with all the injuries going on. It's just it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy time. Nick before we jump into some of

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<v Speaker 1>these starting pitchers and where they rank on the list,

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<v Speaker 1>which I encourage everyone to go check out at picture

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. What else do you have going on lately

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<v Speaker 1>over at pitch list. Yeah, I mean we have a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of content and we do about fifteen articles every

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<v Speaker 1>single day. We have obviously your Batter's Box goes over

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<v Speaker 1>every hitting performance last night. We have our hitter list

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<v Speaker 1>that comes out on Wednesdays, which is the top one

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<v Speaker 1>fifty hitters. We have our Holds Rankings, Closer Ranking, Safe

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<v Speaker 1>spos Holds, the Top Prospects of Stash every weekend as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh, we just have everything you'd want for fantasy.

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<v Speaker 1>Just come on buy and check it out real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we're gonna talk about the starting pictures, but

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned prospects there. Of all these prospects that have

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<v Speaker 1>been getting cold up with Cold Tuckers of the World,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Reynolds, Michael Javis, which one intrigues you the most.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious about Cold Tucker. I think there's definitely some

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<v Speaker 1>value there. You saw right out of the gate way

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<v Speaker 1>he can do power wise. Obviously, I don't expect a

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<v Speaker 1>massive power search from him, but he's definitely intriguing someone

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<v Speaker 1>in twelve teamers I would at least jump at and

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<v Speaker 1>see see how that's gonna go. All right, Nick, let's

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<v Speaker 1>jump in here. The first starting picture I really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to to get into today that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>have been asking me questions about, probably asking you questions

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<v Speaker 1>about as well. I'd imagine is Noah Synder guard Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like he has all the talent in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the guy throws nearly a hundred miles prior.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got like a ninety plus mile prior Slider. I

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<v Speaker 1>put out a poll before the show started, asking you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how do fantasy owners feel about Synderguard because I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>avoiding him, but I would have drafted him. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>end up with him anywhere. I'm actually you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>playing in six or seven leagues that I'm actually playing

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<v Speaker 1>out competitive leagues, and I don't have any shares of

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<v Speaker 1>Noah synder Guard. So I asked people, how do how

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel about Noah synder Gard? He has a

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<v Speaker 1>five point nine zero e r A to to start

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<v Speaker 1>the season. Uh. The options being he's been unlucky, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>to man up him away and thirty eight percent say

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to man up? Time to man up? Regarding

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<v Speaker 1>Noah's synder Guard. So how do you feel about his season?

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<v Speaker 1>The way that it's gone to this point? Has he

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<v Speaker 1>been unlucky? Um? Are there things that he needs to

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<v Speaker 1>do differently? Because I've seen multiple fantasy outlets analysts talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this over the weekend that no, it's time for

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<v Speaker 1>him to put it together. There there's no more excuses.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about no Syndergard? Well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have synder Guard because you have Trevor Bauer

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<v Speaker 1>in every league? Is that right? That's the guy you

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<v Speaker 1>took in the third round instead. I do have a

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<v Speaker 1>few shares of Trevor Bower, and I get to give

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<v Speaker 1>you kudos for coming on before the season and talking

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<v Speaker 1>us into Trevor Bauer over Aaronola. Uh you know, Aaronola,

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<v Speaker 1>another one who hasn't got off to the great the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest start. But I do have shares of Trevor Bauer.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg and I actually own them together in an auction league.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. No on the other on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of it, you've been you've been winning the Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Archer debate definitely so far so uh. You know. It

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<v Speaker 1>goes back and forth here, but specifically about Noah synder Guard.

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<v Speaker 1>There's man I could talk about this for ages. Last

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<v Speaker 1>year put out an article in The Noah synder Guard

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<v Speaker 1>for while we're all ignoring about how he's always going

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<v Speaker 1>to have an elevated babbit. He's had a three twenty

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<v Speaker 1>plus babbitt in the past four seasons, including this year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's three forty six this year. But we've seen three

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<v Speaker 1>thirty or three thirty seven, three twenty from him because

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<v Speaker 1>he inherently is more of a thrower than he is

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<v Speaker 1>a picture. He's not that kind of guy. That's going

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<v Speaker 1>to go up it in and then change up away,

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<v Speaker 1>slider away, and then paints a fastball in the same

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<v Speaker 1>sax spot. He's not someone's really gonna work a batter

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<v Speaker 1>in that way. And oftentimes with his fastballs, he's just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of throwing it over the plate and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be strikes a lot. That's why you see that

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<v Speaker 1>sub six percent career walk rates. But there a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times he's gonna be hit hard because of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And one thing I do like this year is that

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<v Speaker 1>he is throwing more four seamers. Finally said that sinker.

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<v Speaker 1>Sinkers generally are just don't perform as well as four seamers,

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<v Speaker 1>and what he should be doing is throwing that fourth

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<v Speaker 1>seamer up a ton and then pairing that slider down,

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<v Speaker 1>that curveball down, that change up down. That will just

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<v Speaker 1>make a better picture for him. But he's he's not

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<v Speaker 1>throwing it up enough and he's throwing it too far down,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it makes a slider not as effective either. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of luck that needs to go as way.

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<v Speaker 1>Even with that bad at three, four to six, that

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<v Speaker 1>should still come down a little bit. But the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>percent left on base rate is just that's ridiculous. We

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<v Speaker 1>see like mid sixties and we think, oh yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>really bad luck. Traditionally it's around seventy or so left

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<v Speaker 1>on base right. The elites will be closer to at times,

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<v Speaker 1>and percent is just okay. That's why you see the

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<v Speaker 1>three Sierra, the two fIF that suggests that better days

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<v Speaker 1>are ahead when luck is in his favor. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think with no Syndergard, if you own him, he

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<v Speaker 1>should get much better through the year. I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>selling him. I would be buying low on him. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there are corrections that can be made for Syndergards

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<v Speaker 1>to get better as the year goes on. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he's selling more four seamers and said

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<v Speaker 1>sinkers now is a step in that direction. Things haven't

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<v Speaker 1>gotten his way so far. But it's April. There's so

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<v Speaker 1>much season left. I really think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>will be kicking themselves later if they sold low on

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<v Speaker 1>synder Guard. As a references, you have the list that

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<v Speaker 1>comes out every Monday over at Picture List where you

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<v Speaker 1>rank the top one starting pitchers, and you still have

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<v Speaker 1>No Synderguard ranked eighth overall, just behind Corey Kluber. Blake's

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<v Speaker 1>now Garrett Cole. He's in that tier three of starting pitchers.

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<v Speaker 1>You still expect him to be elite, but you still

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<v Speaker 1>haven't ranked very highly. You haven't ranked inside the top ten.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just looking at the skills right, So, like, the

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<v Speaker 1>swinging strike rate is still above league average, not where

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<v Speaker 1>it has been the past couple of years. Chase rate

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<v Speaker 1>down a little bit as well, But the first pitch

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<v Speaker 1>strip percentage, he's getting ahead in account more than he

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<v Speaker 1>has in years past, sixty one percent. That's the highest

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<v Speaker 1>it's been since. You Know, what I find so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about Noah synder Garden, Nick, is that the babbit is

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<v Speaker 1>high every year. And I agree with you, he's more

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<v Speaker 1>of a thrower. He throws very hard, so it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like he's gonna be more prone to to giving up

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<v Speaker 1>more hits. But the hard hit rate is not is

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<v Speaker 1>generally not as high as other starting pitchers. Given the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he throws the ball as hard as he does,

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<v Speaker 1>I would think that the hard hit rate against him

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<v Speaker 1>would be higher than league average. And for the most

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<v Speaker 1>part in his career he's been below league average, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like it's not like he's getting squared up

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<v Speaker 1>all of that often. So it does seem like a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of unluckiness here for cynder Guard. You look at

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<v Speaker 1>the e r A minus FIP leaderboards for the season,

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<v Speaker 1>he's second among qualified starting features. So he's been unlucky again.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the fifth is two point nine three, the

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<v Speaker 1>x fit is three point three six. Um, the ear

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<v Speaker 1>A stands at five point nine zero, still at a

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<v Speaker 1>fifty percent crown ball right that left on base percentace

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<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned, the strand rate just you know, absolutely abysmal.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think, and you know it hasn't been this

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<v Speaker 1>way for his entire career, like a guy like John Gray.

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<v Speaker 1>But is there a chance that we're falling into a

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<v Speaker 1>part of a John Gray situation where he's never going

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<v Speaker 1>to be as good as his underlying numbers say that

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<v Speaker 1>he should be. Nick well, Actually, two thousand eighteen, twousand

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<v Speaker 1>and sixteen, two largest samples we have of Syndergard prior

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<v Speaker 1>to this year, he outperformed a Sierra. It was to

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<v Speaker 1>sixty EARRA and in twos sixteen three or three ear

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<v Speaker 1>a with a three five Sierra in two thousand eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think that that's necessarily something that he's

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<v Speaker 1>always going to be under performing in that fashion, but

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<v Speaker 1>that will obviously be influenced by the great caper walk

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<v Speaker 1>that he has. Is a career k ray in a

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<v Speaker 1>five point five percent walk. Great, those are good things. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>now you're talking about the hard contact and and how

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<v Speaker 1>you know he's not like getting barreled up so much,

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<v Speaker 1>but he has his elevated babbit. Well, there's something to

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<v Speaker 1>be said about Hitter is not trying to do too

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<v Speaker 1>much um against Syndergard, and there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times I think he'll also just get beat by singles

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<v Speaker 1>because guys can just put out the bat against him.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't like to throw inside to right. Hander's actually

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<v Speaker 1>kind of goes middle to out, which means that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times you can just put your bat out

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<v Speaker 1>and go to right feeling and be a single highlighted

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<v Speaker 1>that in that article last year. I think I found

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<v Speaker 1>like seven different singles where it was exactly that case.

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<v Speaker 1>That is just you think you have all these skills

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<v Speaker 1>right in front of you, and you're just using them

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrong way and you're not, you know, not nibbling.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see Syndergard actually maybe even walk a

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<v Speaker 1>few more guys if that means better quality pitches in

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<v Speaker 1>the strike zone. So I think there are just justice

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<v Speaker 1>to make. And yeah, there is something we said about

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying before that he needs to correct this now.

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<v Speaker 1>Even waiting for a while though, I think he could

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<v Speaker 1>easily do that. I think he even spoke in spring

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<v Speaker 1>training about him fixing himself and improving. And yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>I have nine e r A, but that's really five

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<v Speaker 1>starts and twent innings, it's small sample. In April h

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<v Speaker 1>you talked about that gap. It's gonna come down massively,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's no real reason why we can't expect the

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<v Speaker 1>top ten picture the rest of the way. Nick, last

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<v Speaker 1>question on cynder Guard, a classics cell high by low

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<v Speaker 1>situation right now? Would you trade Luis Castido away to

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<v Speaker 1>get nowhere cyder Guard? And I I used the term

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<v Speaker 1>cell high very loosely here because I think Luis Castillo

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<v Speaker 1>could be really good. He could definitely return top twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five starting picture value. But if you can pull off

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<v Speaker 1>a trade like that, is that something you would look into? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's crazy to say. I was the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was so high and Luis Castido last

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<v Speaker 1>year and I got burned for it. Obviously, I am

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<v Speaker 1>very aware of the volatility of Castillo, and we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>again another small sample. He's looking great. I absolutely love it.

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<v Speaker 1>We still need to recognize that we have five more

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<v Speaker 1>months plus to go and this three to four weeks

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to be represented necessarily of those five months.

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<v Speaker 1>So a guy like Synde Guard that has a better

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<v Speaker 1>innate skill set than Luis Castillo, I would be going

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<v Speaker 1>after that. Then it would cast you. Nick, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>ask you about another Mets starting pitcher. We won't get

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<v Speaker 1>into all of it now. We'll we'll kind of talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some now and we'll get to it after the

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<v Speaker 1>break as well. Zach Wheeler. This is a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>I was very high and I believe you were very

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<v Speaker 1>high on him as well. I mean into the season

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<v Speaker 1>I had Hi ranked is my fourteen starting pitcher. I

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<v Speaker 1>was very very aggressive on Zach Wheeler. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>took him in the fourth round of the NFBC Main

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<v Speaker 1>Event League. So putting my money where my mouth is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I like Zach Wheeler. The difference with him

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<v Speaker 1>between him and Cyderguard is okay. He's got the six

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<v Speaker 1>point three five e R A. But it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>the underlying numbers. The x fib is four point seven eight,

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<v Speaker 1>the sierra is all the way down at what do

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<v Speaker 1>we have it here? He's at five eleven. Yes, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like he's uh like his underlying skills are

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<v Speaker 1>much better. They're better than obviously his six point three

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<v Speaker 1>five e r A. I was really hoping that those

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<v Speaker 1>games that he made in the command department last year, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the walks per nine, he kept him under three for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in his career. He had them at

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<v Speaker 1>two point seven one. The command was much better over

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<v Speaker 1>those final eleven twelve starts of the season. This year,

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't been the case. He's had some tough matchups.

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<v Speaker 1>He's faced the Nationals twice. He's faced the Phillies on

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<v Speaker 1>the walks per nine though, all the way up over five.

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<v Speaker 1>And despite the velocity being up this season across the board,

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<v Speaker 1>swinging strike rate down, case rate down, first pitch strike

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<v Speaker 1>percentage down. So I do have some concerns regarding Zach

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<v Speaker 1>Wheeler at this point in the season. Uh, we have

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of minutes here before the break, give us

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<v Speaker 1>a little tease regarding Zach Wheeler. Well, all right. This

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<v Speaker 1>is this is what the hardest parts about fantasy baseball is.

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<v Speaker 1>We try to say, Okay, this guy performed like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and he should have performed like this, so okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>for example, Wheeler performed badly, so we're trying to find

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<v Speaker 1>a reason to say, hey, he's going to be good,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't necessarily have one from the underlying numbers. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But these are people that you know, sometimes they pitch

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<v Speaker 1>poorly and they have bad results, but maybe they'll actually

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<v Speaker 1>pitch well. It's not that they're going to pitch the

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<v Speaker 1>same and get different results. It's that we expect them

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<v Speaker 1>to be better than they were, and the underlying numbers

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<v Speaker 1>won't necessarily say that she's going to do that because

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't pitch well before. That's just kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>it was. The last two starts, Wheeler's fastball command overall

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<v Speaker 1>was much better. This is the reason we loved him

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<v Speaker 1>last year was that those final I think seventeen starts

0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.440
<v Speaker 1>or so from Zach Wheeler or phenomenal with his fastball command.

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<v Speaker 1>He was going to deep into games because of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's set up this trio of secondary pitches that

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<v Speaker 1>were never none of them were really elites, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were all a little bit of above average, and it

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<v Speaker 1>made them even better being set up by this incredible

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<v Speaker 1>fastball command. So in the last two starts that improved.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. He pitched seven innings last time out against

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<v Speaker 1>the Fields. Before that, it was six innings of eight strikeout.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. It's It's kind of funny to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the Sierra at this moment because I mean, one

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<v Speaker 1>game was that a ridiculous one against the Nationals where

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<v Speaker 1>we walk seven guys. That's a three Sierra in that

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<v Speaker 1>one start. And that's four starts total of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's of a SRA right there to the other

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<v Speaker 1>ones to six five s three ninety sevens here. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's really small sample we're dealing with. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>make all these numbers look really bad, and walking and

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<v Speaker 1>all of that stuff. You can just kind of throw

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<v Speaker 1>it away at this point. I really do encourage people

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<v Speaker 1>to look more at trends and their skills as a

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<v Speaker 1>picture themselves, to see if there's an indication of them

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<v Speaker 1>improving or getting wort or or getting worse. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>so I like Wheeler. I think that he will rebound

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<v Speaker 1>as the season goes on don't freak out too much

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<v Speaker 1>Pollock at Pitcherless, Mitchy Falm on Twitter, sec at all

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<v Speaker 1>the great work at pitcherless dot com. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Wheeler before the break and mentioned that seven walk performance,

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<v Speaker 1>seven earned runs against the Washington Nationals in that second

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<v Speaker 1>start that just, you know, really really inflicated the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>That just brutal, brutal performance there, which really up the

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<v Speaker 1>wall watch per nine this year for Zack Wheeler as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and his first start of the season, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were watching it, it was one bad pitch of

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<v Speaker 1>Trade Turner where he gives up a three run homer.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not gonna be one of those people

0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.399
<v Speaker 1>that says it will take that away and he only

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<v Speaker 1>gives up one and run. It happened. So but it's

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<v Speaker 1>against a really good players against Trade Turner, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know he's already getting some of these starts out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way against you know, tough Nationals Phillies opponents as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think better days are coming. I noticed next week,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he has a two star week, really tough

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<v Speaker 1>matchups coming up. Again, it just seems like every matchup

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<v Speaker 1>for Wheeler has just been tough one thus far. So

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<v Speaker 1>he gets the Reds next week, which is not the worst,

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<v Speaker 1>but then at Milwaukee, so I'd be okay with that, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Reds are also struggling at time. It's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this, the Mets are gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of tough matchups this year just being in the

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<v Speaker 1>NL East. I used to call it the n L Easy.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do it anymore. It was the best type

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<v Speaker 1>I ever made, and I'm kind of upset about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was starting for that two star a week. Yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. Um, you know, not the NL Easy anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>and more like you know, they used to call the

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<v Speaker 1>American Leg East the a L Beast, right It's looking

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<v Speaker 1>more like the NL Beast right now if I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 1>So according to the list, you have Zach Wheeler ranked

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<v Speaker 1>as the twenty second starting pitcher right now. He's in

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<v Speaker 1>Tier five with David Price and Steven Strasburg. You dropped him,

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<v Speaker 1>uh seven spots from yep, last week or from the

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<v Speaker 1>start of the season. Is this from week to week

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<v Speaker 1>or from the start of this This is every single

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<v Speaker 1>Monday I put out this update. So this was from

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<v Speaker 1>last week. Okay, so you dropped them from fifteen to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, that is regarding Zach Wheeler. But it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>overall like you're pretty optimistic regarding him. He's another by

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<v Speaker 1>low candidate for you. Definitely. I think he's someone that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are giving up already on. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you can sell someone like I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Glasnow that someone is really high on at this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think a lot of people would do in

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<v Speaker 1>a heartbeat, I think that's something you can definitely take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of taking. You know, Wheeler is hated right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone loves Tyler Glass. No great, take advantage of that

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<v Speaker 1>because it's only four weeks into the season and you

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<v Speaker 1>have another gain five months ahead. I appreciate that, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Pollack coming and spit some Moti sell Tyler Glass

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<v Speaker 1>Now for Zach Wheeler. We've had a lot of Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>Glass Now questions. Someone actually tweeted me last week they

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<v Speaker 1>treated away tyler Glass now Nick to get Chris sale.

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<v Speaker 1>That's wonderful, that's so great. It's insane, man, that's the same.

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<v Speaker 1>But people, you know, they get really giddy about their

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<v Speaker 1>players early on in the season. But you have to

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<v Speaker 1>remind you again, only one month into the season, tyler

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<v Speaker 1>Glass now house looked awesome. Uh, you know, let's see

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<v Speaker 1>how he fares once he starts to face some of

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<v Speaker 1>these tougher teams in the American League East, for example.

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<v Speaker 1>But that I welcome in, Greg Man, Greggy, what's going on, man?

0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:20.520
<v Speaker 1>How did you sleep? I slept well, Man, I slept well.

0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I had some very descriptive dreams. But I'm feeling good. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Pok is on the line. Then, how you doing? I'm good?

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<v Speaker 1>So last night when what if I was like, hey, Ny,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly be on tomorrow, Like who do you want to

0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about? Because they really want to talk about Zach

0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.879
<v Speaker 1>Wheeler and Zach Zach Eflin and JAREDI cough And I

0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.680
<v Speaker 1>just walked in on the summation of Zach Wheeler and

0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, I need to go back and listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast because you just have so much insightful

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.360
<v Speaker 1>information that I want to make sure that I feel good,

0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.360
<v Speaker 1>but so summarizing you feel good about Zach Wheel's gonna

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:55.360
<v Speaker 1>turn it around starting tonight. Yes, that sounds good to me. Yeah. Yeah,

0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.840
<v Speaker 1>We've already gone through a synder guard, Greggy, who's you know?

0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to a weird start checkpoint nine array

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and we got into Zach Wheeler. This is really the

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<v Speaker 1>National League edition of the list here with h with

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Pollock, because I didn't even really realize this until

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I was putting the run ount together. Everyone that we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about today, Greg is in the National League.

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.760
<v Speaker 1>A lot of National League East pitchers as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've already got two mets down. Next one up, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>must Grove, Big Joe, draft Joe must Grove, Nick. Last

0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.400
<v Speaker 1>year we used to chant about, you know, drafting Joe

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 1>two two years ago. We've been towdy Joe must Grove

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.480
<v Speaker 1>for years now, and it seems like everyone's kind of

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.879
<v Speaker 1>hopping on our bandwagon. So and rightfully. So, Look, he's

0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:38.800
<v Speaker 1>been awesome to start the year. Uh he I believe

0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:40.840
<v Speaker 1>he was the r A leader heading into last night.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like they tried to squeeze a little bit

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:44.399
<v Speaker 1>too much out of him. They leave him out there

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 1>for the seventh and he he gives up a hit,

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.560
<v Speaker 1>he gives up a walk, and then Kyle Craik comes

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<v Speaker 1>in and everything goes to hell, and uh, some of

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.480
<v Speaker 1>some runs here get charged Joe Musgrove's way, although he

0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.399
<v Speaker 1>himself did not actually give up those runs. He has

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<v Speaker 1>been awesome though to start the year, you have him

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<v Speaker 1>ranked the thirty third starting pitcher, so inside the top

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:06.080
<v Speaker 1>thirty five. Um some pretty some pretty lofty ranking here

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.239
<v Speaker 1>for for Joe Musgrove, what have you seen this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Well? One thing I liked specifically about last night

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:13.399
<v Speaker 1>is that his fastball velocity went up to ninety one

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<v Speaker 1>and a half after being around ninety point five, maybe

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 1>touching ninety one or so previously, which is a good

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>sign because we were hoping to see that three consistently

0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:24.879
<v Speaker 1>from must Grove, and to see him get up there

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a little bit last night was definitely a plus. He's

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<v Speaker 1>maintained this amazing swing strike grade at thirteen point five percent.

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 1>He has to what we call money pitches here at

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<v Speaker 1>a picture list, which is a swing strike grade fifteent

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 1>or higher zone rate and chase ray essentially means he's

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.920
<v Speaker 1>getting swings off the place, getting swings on the plate

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and getting strikes and they're missing it a ton. He

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<v Speaker 1>has that with a change at minutes slider, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>really great. I've loved his approach of the way he's

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:52.960
<v Speaker 1>attacking it. I will say one thing about must Grove

0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 1>is he hasn't faced a lot of tough teams. It's

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.119
<v Speaker 1>been the Reds who have been struggling massively. Twice he

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.199
<v Speaker 1>faced the Tigers, he faced the Dining Backs, and then

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.959
<v Speaker 1>he also went to Wrigley against the Cubs. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's about it, though, and it might get a little

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.920
<v Speaker 1>bit tougher as he isn't n L Central. He's gonna

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 1>have to face the Brewers, He's gonna have to face

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the Cardinals. He's gonna have to face more of the

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Cubs as well, and maybe the Reds are better off

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 1>later in the year. But honestly, I love Muscrow. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the fact that the Pirates are letting him go

0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:20.160
<v Speaker 1>deep into games. That's generally what they do in Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 1>You see tie in the same way, Musco is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a quality start guide essentially for those leagues. And

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<v Speaker 1>I love rowing with Musgrove right now right This is

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<v Speaker 1>why I like talking to different fantasy analysts get different opinions.

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<v Speaker 1>I love what you guys do with the money pitches.

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.159
<v Speaker 1>You know what I talk about a lot here on

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 1>the show is three specific stats that I like to

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 1>look at a lot. Nick are swinging strike rate, overall

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 1>first pitch strike per centential. Guys that are getting ahead

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 1>into account and you know, overall have solid command, and

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I think Joe Muscrove actually has great command. You see

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<v Speaker 1>that with the walks per nine under two for the

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 1>second straight year. And then I like looking at the

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:57.800
<v Speaker 1>oh swing the chase rate. So those are really three

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:00.479
<v Speaker 1>underlying statistics that I like to look at a lot

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.639
<v Speaker 1>regarding starting pitches starting pitchers, so you know, I like

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of hearing different perspectives and what you guys do

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.400
<v Speaker 1>over with the money pitches as well. It's really cool

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:11.479
<v Speaker 1>because you know, you try and learn as much as

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 1>you can regarding each starting pitcher. But yeah, I do

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:17.399
<v Speaker 1>agree regarding Joe Musgrove that the velocity was up. It's

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 1>something that I paid attention to in his first couple

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:21.879
<v Speaker 1>of starts, and I referenced Gregg that the velo has

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 1>been down across the board this year. I like the

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 1>fact that he's been using the slider more. It seems

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 1>like it's been one of the more useful pitches for

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 1>him dating back to last season and then the second

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.399
<v Speaker 1>half where he really took off. I think a lot

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 1>of that had to do with using the slider more. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I like the fact that he's been doing that more

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<v Speaker 1>of this season, Greg. Yeah, absolutely, And I think one

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 1>of the keys of Joe muscro is for him to

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<v Speaker 1>stay healthy and just have a full season, which we

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen from Joe Muscrove in that starting rotation. And

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I think this can be this season that we get there,

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and you heard it from Nick a few moments ago,

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<v Speaker 1>just to provide in that quality start on a on

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<v Speaker 1>a consistent basis, quality start start. God, I kind of

0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 1>like it has a good ring to it. Yeah, Joe

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 1>muscro So the thirty third rank starting pitcher for you.

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 1>He's moved up one spot from last week. Now these

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>he's a little bit different than the first two Mets

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 1>pictures that we've talked about where he could potentially be

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 1>a cell high based on what you were telling us.

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>We know he's not going to pitch two an e

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>r A under two. He's at one point five nine

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>right now, but the x Fit is at three seven

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>five and the Sierra is at three eight. Oh. Now,

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 1>you can try and sell him if you're worried about

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 1>the Brewers coming up, Greg and the Cardinals and the

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Cubs at some point. But even if he pitches to

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<v Speaker 1>let's say a three six or three seven e r

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<v Speaker 1>A from here on out with a good whip and

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 1>nearly a strike app for Anny. I'm fine with that, Like,

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what we were respecting from Joe Musgrove.

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>So do you really want to sell high? That's you know,

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>what do you think? I think? I'm fine with that.

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 1>Like read the rewards of m okay with that, I

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 1>really am. I know it's going to get tougher. I

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 1>know he plays in that tough division, but I'm okay.

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Just if he reverted to me in a little a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit in you know, he's gonna be fine. He's

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>not gonna be there outstanding, no doubt. I think it's

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.159
<v Speaker 1>gonna be well worth starting on a consistent basis on

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>your fantasy team, Nick, where are you at on that spectrum? Well, okay,

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 1>So when it comes to selling a guy, it's about

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>what the market values them at. I think where I

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:17.400
<v Speaker 1>value Musgrove is probably a little bit higher than most.

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I think, especially someone that isn't you know, hasn't been

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 1>touting him like you guys have for ages or yeah,

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.679
<v Speaker 1>as a pitch entire off season, like two money pitches.

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>This guy is clearly top fifty. He's our guy. And

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that someone is gonna really buy into

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>this with four starts under his belt for the most part.

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Uh that that's the real hesitation with Musgrove, So I

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>would just be holding tight here. I don't think that

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get relative value back for Musgrove, and I'm

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm perfectly fine with it, Gregg. You know, if he

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>he's my SP four, my SP five, because a lot

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>of people got him later on in draft. You got

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 1>him in you know, around twelve plus round thirteen fourteen,

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I had him ranked in the top fourty starting pitcher.

0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>We ended up with him in a few places together, Greg,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna reap the rewards. If people don't want

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>to pay up for Musgrove, that's fine, and then you

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>don't have to try and sell everyone who's performing well

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>to start the year. So I'm just gonna kind of

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 1>sit back and enjoy the ride here. With Musgrove, I

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>realized it's gonna get tougher. You know, maybe he's not

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>doesn't put together the stellar performances, but again, quality start

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 1>after quality start. If we get that from Musgrove, I

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>think we're good with that. Great yep, I completely completely

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>agree with you, Frankie. Moving on, we have we had

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>a few requests to talk about brave starting pitchers, so

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>we'll just keep going with the with the National League East.

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<v Speaker 1>Here for a few pictures, Max freed Man. Max Freed

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 1>has been awesome to start the year, Nick, and you

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>have them ranked all the way up at your forty

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>six starting pitchers, so you know you're valuing him as

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 1>you know in the twelve team league and SP four

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>and I think the way that he's performed, we have to,

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of put put some respect on Max

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Freed's name. The one question that I've had regarding him

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>is can he succeed with just the two started with

0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the two pitches, because I do have my concerns with

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>that when it comes to starting pictures and what I've

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>said about him, Nick is I think the fact that

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>his the screpting CD the miles per hour between its

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>fastball and it's curveball. We everyone's seen the curveball. It's

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>a big, looping curveball. It's about seventy five in the

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>mid seventies. He has a fastball that he compliments it

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>with in the mid nineties. So you have, you know,

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty mile per hour difference. You keep hitters all balance

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot when you have two pitches like that, and

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>he keep this going with only two pitches, Nick, So

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.959
<v Speaker 1>inherently having just two pitches isn't necessarily a bad thing.

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 1>We saw Patrick Corbin having full season with that uh

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and have success. We see Jose Burrios pretty much have

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 1>success as a two pitch pitcher. Yeah, he does do

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that change of a little bit, but it's not that

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>creative a pitch. I here, Okay, there's a lot to

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>say about freed one. I I do my worries that

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>he's getting a bit lucky when it comes to balls

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and play at the moment. And his fastball and curveball

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>are really good at tunneling. That is, fastball staying up

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>he actually got a little bit squeezed in that Indian game.

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>And then the curveball going straight down, starting at the

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>same spot but being located at the bottom of the zone.

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>That's great. I really love that. I think that his

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 1>fastball command inherently is actually I have three tiers of

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>fastball command. One being amazing to put it where you want.

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Three is you have no idea where it's going. I

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>probably put breed in between one and two. I think

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>it has a really good four seam fastball. You can

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>just kind of put it wherever he wants for the

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 1>most part, and when he does miss, it's not by

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot. So I love those aspects of Freed a ton.

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I think, really the question is, okay, he has this

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>change up for that third velocity band right in between

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that fastball and curb as you were mentioning, I think

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>he can develop that. It's not even a bad pitch.

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 1>He also has a slider he messed around with a

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>little bit. I believe when he faced the Cubs he

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 1>had some against If I remember correctly, I think it

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.239
<v Speaker 1>was kyleege Forever. I could be making all of this up.

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 1>It's fine, but I think Max Reread now being the

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>number four in the Brave's rotation is huge. Seeing Bryce

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Wilson and Kyle right get pushed down two key des

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>now is in the minors, and even with Mikes Toroka,

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>who I think we'll talk about in a second, I

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>think that the Braids are gonna be a little more

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>cautious with that shoulder and just let Max Freed have

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 1>this spot. So I like his situation right now. I

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>like where he's at. And I mean when you get

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>to the forties and fifties and sixties on the list,

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>that's when it starts getting messy really quickly. So when

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 1>it comes to guys that I'm actually pursuing that, you know,

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>and we're thinking about, hey, should we be going after

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, some some new guy like Luke Weaver

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 1>him having successfully you know what, Now, I'll hold on

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>with Max Freed for the moment. See how that works first. Um,

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>that's why you see him at forty six. But I

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>like Freed. I'll be happy wherever I got him. I'd

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 1>be holding on tight and uh and see how this

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>plays out. Yeah, what I what I've liked about Free

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Feed so far. To start the season, Nick, as you mentioned,

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>has has been the command because this was a guy

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>who struggled in the minor leagues. You know, over four

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>walks per nine. It kind of seems like he's sacrificing,

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to strip people out because you see

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the first pitch strike percentage up this year, but the

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>swinging strikes are down. It seems like he's pitching to

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:00.080
<v Speaker 1>contact more and you know the bat is really oh,

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>it's at two seven. But the groundball rate, so I

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 1>do you know, there's there's a lot of good, there's pros,

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 1>and then there's cons. That I've seen with Max Freed

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>liked the control, like the command that I've seen from him. Uh,

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he's not walking many people. He did

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 1>have three walks against the Indians, but every other walk

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>he's been every other start he's been two walks or less,

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and and most of his starts he's actually he's been

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>one walk or less. So the control has has been

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>really good, and he's getting a lot of groundballs, but

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.479
<v Speaker 1>it seems like he's almost sacrificing strikeouts a little bit

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>pitching too contact. Is that something that you've noticed You

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>think it's by design or do you think he just

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the stuff to get strikeouts, because I think

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 1>he does. You know, back in the day, I think

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>it was two thousand fifteen or so, I tweeted at

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Trivor Bauer about him all of a sudden lowering his

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>content his walk rate, but also having fewer strikeouts. And

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I tweeted at him saying, hey, are you trying to

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>pitch the contact now? And he said, that's a ridiculous phrase.

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 1>That that you know, I never want to pitch the contact.

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Why would ever want to pitch the contact. I want

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 1>to miss every bad every single time. That's ridiculous, And

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I kind of agree with him. I think it's something

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:08.840
<v Speaker 1>that isn't inherently good, especially for fantasy purposes. Generally, the

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>more pitch the contact, guys are not going to be

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>that sustainable as far as their success goes. So it

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 1>is something I think that inherently with how free pitches,

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>he is more contact guy than he is a strikeout guy.

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 1>So I'd be highly surprised if he turns into plus

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 1>strikeout rate that is over a k per inning, which

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 1>does give me a little bit of pause. And you

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 1>see that one ear a right now, the fifth is

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>a three fourteen at nine, I think he is more

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>of a three point five ear a three point six

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of pitcher. The hip or nine needs to go

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>above seven. But you know, I think that's okay. I

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 1>think that he's good enough at it that he's not

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 1>like synder Garth throwing over the middle of the plate

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.399
<v Speaker 1>and they're slapping it. So there is something to that, Yes,

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>pitching into contact, of pitching well inside the zone and

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 1>getting weaker contact than most. That's what I'll say about that. Right,

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 1>do you have any Max free shares? And until have

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:03.359
<v Speaker 1>you been? That's annoying about him far. I've just been

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 1>impressed with him thus far, and it's annoying because I

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 1>wanted him coming into the year. That was the guy

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>when everyone's talking about to usan Um and Bryce Wilson

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>who you love for about a week, Kyle, Right, there's

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 1>always a new brave starting pitching procect that everyone's trying

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 1>to talk about. Mash Free was the guy. And I

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>kept going back that stupid Freddie Freeman quote, and I

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 1>wish I listened to myself and really took advantage because

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I've been obviously impressed. Now can he do it? You know,

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm going forward. I don't know, but you know me, Frank,

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I I ride the hot head and I'm riding the

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>hot head of Mash Freed right now if I had him,

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>But I don't. And I think the Braves are too.

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.239
<v Speaker 1>That's what we said all along. Uh, Nick, we have

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 1>about a minute left before the break. You know what

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I've said about the Braves is it's a very fluid rotation.

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I think as long as people are performing in said rotation,

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna have an opportunity to to start and stick around.

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 1>So you know that's why you see two tusan a well,

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>he performs well in a relief appearance. Um, all right,

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>we'll keep him around. He stays for a start, he

0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>gets blown up, all right, we're gonna send him back

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>down and now focus in the rotation. So I think

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 1>it's very fluid, there's moving parts. But as long as

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.320
<v Speaker 1>you perform well, I think you'll stay in the brave rotation.

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 1>Do you agree completely? I mean, look at this, Sean

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Nucom isn't even in it anymore. So they really are

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>going to give these guys the opportunities and if they succeed,

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>you'll see them for a long time. Yeah. I looked

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>as it's exactly what I've said, and I think they're

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna stick by it. Um. And that's why I like

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Sarrocca a lot. I do think he's a really talented

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 1>picture to get into him after the break here, Nick

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>hasn't ranked one spot behind Max Freed as his forty

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>seventh starting pitcher. We saw a lot of high fab

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 1>bids in the NFBC and the Great Fantasy Baseball Invitational

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 1>this past Yeah, well we'll try Rocca and then we'll

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:42.520
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0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 1>talk about Zach Eflyn and we also are trying to

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.080
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<v Speaker 1>Going over a few interesting starting pitchers right now and

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<v Speaker 1>where they rank in the list. So every Monday, Nick

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<v Speaker 1>Pollock ranks the top one starting pitchers in fantasy baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just talking about Max Freed, who is the

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<v Speaker 1>forty six ranks starting pitcher. He moved up seven spots

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<v Speaker 1>from last week to this week, and then Mike Saroka,

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<v Speaker 1>who was unranked last week. Greg moves all the way

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:03.560
<v Speaker 1>up inside the top fifty forty seven starting pitcher you

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.400
<v Speaker 1>know what I've liked about to Rocca for a while

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>is in the minors, elite groundball rate, great command. I

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 1>don't think that he's ever going to be an elite

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>strikeout kind of guy. I mean, if he gives me

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 1>eight case per nine with good command and an elite

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:19.399
<v Speaker 1>groundball rate, that's that's more than enough for me. Nick.

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Regarding Mike Saroka, where are you at regarding him? Uh?

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, just from I guess, like from a scouting perspective,

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>like what kind of pitches does he use? What can

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 1>we expect moving forward? I know he has the shoulder injury,

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 1>so he had the shoulder injury. He's in the rotation now,

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>but that might cause the Braves to be a little

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>bit careful with him. How do you feel overall about Sirocca? Oh, Man,

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I love Mike Saroka. I last year, I remember the

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.120
<v Speaker 1>start he had against the Mets, and the way that

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 1>he used essentially three different types of fastball is one

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>of the very rare occasions I've ever seen this where

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 1>he had a forcing him with some cut action. He

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.800
<v Speaker 1>had an actual writing horizontal two steamer, but then he

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>also had a sinker on top of it. Generally I

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 1>say that two steamers and sinkers are synonymous, but this

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.800
<v Speaker 1>was one of the legit scenarios where it was a

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.120
<v Speaker 1>sinker that went down and then a two steamer that

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 1>rode horizontally and it was amazing. It blew my mind

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 1>from a twenty one year old doing this. Uh. And

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 1>then he has these two pitches, a slider and a

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 1>change up. They're both developing. However, the slider that we

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 1>saw last week was really good and you threw it

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>about thirty percent of the time and it made me

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>really excited there. Uh. He wasn't on the list prior

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.919
<v Speaker 1>because I only expected him beyond the in the Brave

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>rotation for one start, and I didn't really think that

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>was worth it for the top one hundred with two

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 1>ki decan being decent against the terrible Indians offense. Well,

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 1>that obviously didn't work out. He's in the rotation now,

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and obviously Sarrocca deserves your love in twelve teamers, but

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I I personally love Sarroka. I think it's a matter

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 1>of innings and how much we'll get out of him,

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:53.359
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully that shoulder isn't bulky or barking at him.

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.760
<v Speaker 1>I should say, uh, to the point that it removes

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:58.600
<v Speaker 1>this command like it did last year. We actually saw

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>some of those starts last season just didn't go right

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 1>because the shoulder was bothering him. So hopefully the Braves

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:07.800
<v Speaker 1>let him loose and everything is okay if that's the case. Ultimately,

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean down the road it kids twenty one. If

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:13.800
<v Speaker 1>he's injury free, this is legitimately the top twenty five

0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 1>upside player. I really just love what he brings to

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:20.759
<v Speaker 1>the table. Yeah, I regarding Mike's roker, and you know

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>what we've seen in the miners regarding his pitch usage,

0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 1>his arsenal. You mentioned the three different types of fastballs

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>that he uses, and the slider. Uh, he upped the

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.319
<v Speaker 1>usage and that first start and it was it looked

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.720
<v Speaker 1>like a pretty good slider. Nick just being perfectly honest,

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>it looked like a very solid slider. So I think

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you kind of see this across baseball

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 1>right now, a lot of people upping their slider usage.

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.399
<v Speaker 1>We talked about Joe Musgrove and you know, even going

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 1>back to last year, Patrick Corbin, how how much he's

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 1>starting pitchers are using uh their slider. And I know

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Matt Boyd. You know Boyd to men, I saw you

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 1>guys are huge on Matt Boyd. But it seems like

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.879
<v Speaker 1>across baseball Greg these pitchers are starting to use their

0:42:57.880 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>breaking balls more and specifically the slider, and I think

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that's something that could potentially help Mike Siroka. Uh. You know,

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I got a question over the weekend. It might have

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 1>been from our friend Leland saying, you know what if

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 1>he's on an endings limit, I think you just kind

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.800
<v Speaker 1>of take it start by start, like you want to

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 1>be short sighted regarding sirocca If you think that there's

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 1>a chance that he's gonna get shut down and you

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:18.720
<v Speaker 1>want to sell him because of that, that's fine. Me personally,

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I'm I'm just gonna take it from a

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 1>short term perspective. I start to start basis maybe week

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 1>by week, month by month with Mike Sarroka, but I

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.399
<v Speaker 1>think as long as he's in the rotation, he's gonna

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:30.399
<v Speaker 1>perform quite well. You know that I've been bullish on him.

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not backing down from Sirocco. Yes, yeah, he's been

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 1>your guy, like since last the Seed last year at

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:44.359
<v Speaker 1>this time, he wanted to stash Sroka and seeing him

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>perform in that one outing, I don't think it's like

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a a mirage like took to my only worrying. The

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>same to be said with Mare And you heard it

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a few moments ago from Nick Pollock, range aren't afraid

0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to continue to maneuver this all season long. That if

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>you have a bad start, you go away, and there's

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:05.280
<v Speaker 1>plenty of other options from Wilson to Newcomb to Tucson,

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and they can call up to replace Rocca or replace

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:10.919
<v Speaker 1>Max Freed. And you heard the reasons a second ago

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:13.719
<v Speaker 1>from Nick where you don't necessarily think it happens, but

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.759
<v Speaker 1>that that is in the back of my mind in

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 1>trusting these guys long term, I know the next question

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 1>is do you buy them? Do you sell them? What

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>do you do? I lean to sell only because I

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 1>don't trust the Braves to commit long term, so I

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 1>would say sell to answer your question you haven't asked yet.

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I think, just in general your sentiment is probably right,

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 1>But overall, I don't think that you're gonna get much.

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you're gonna get much in return for

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Max Freed or Mike Roka because for the reasons you

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>just mentioned, I think a lot of people have similar concerns. Greg,

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and I have been on records saying I think, as

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:54.800
<v Speaker 1>long as you perform well, I was a Braves pitture,

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you will stay in the rotation. Uh And I think

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 1>so Rocca will perform quite well. But every picture, any

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>pitch in baseball is prone to having a bad start.

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Max sus are struggle against the Marlins his

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 1>last time out, So any starting pitcher is prone to

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:08.880
<v Speaker 1>having a bad start. Does it mean all right, Sarroka

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>has one bad start and they're automatically gonna send him down.

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the worry amongst fantasy owners who have

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Saroka right now. Greg, So, I think your sentiment is

0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 1>correct in that you worry that something like that can

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:21.759
<v Speaker 1>happen with the Braves. They might have a short leach

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:23.600
<v Speaker 1>with these guys, But overall, I don't think you're gonna

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:25.920
<v Speaker 1>get much in return, So overall I would just keep

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:28.719
<v Speaker 1>both freed. The only the only reason why I think

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 1>you might be able to get something that I don't

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:32.919
<v Speaker 1>know what that something is, so some please don't ask,

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 1>is because the prospect pedigree, the excitement around young players

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 1>like a free like a Sarroca that someone could be

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to buy that, Like I want to be

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:48.239
<v Speaker 1>in on that, and you get excited over that, So

0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 1>you may want to overpay because you think that that

0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 1>long term viability this season will be good, Like you

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 1>want that hot young thing, and like, would you trade

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Mike Sarroka for who's akn Tana? Personally? Oh gosh, I

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>love both of these guys. I would take hold Quintana,

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I think, like, I think that's something that isn't so

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:15.880
<v Speaker 1>out of the woods. Yeah, Nick, don't do that. Uh.

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>You know what I noticed last night? You have Kantana

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 1>ranked all the way down at sixty four, And I

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, man, I gotta ask you Nick about

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>this is really this is a really quick one. This

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 1>is pretty easy. He's essentially having the curveball that he

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.160
<v Speaker 1>had in like two thousand sixteen. He said it for

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe two starts. Maybe it's possible all of a sudden

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Katana has that back for the rest of the season.

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it's such such a small sample and this

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 1>is more likely to burn out than it's to last.

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:45.000
<v Speaker 1>On the quick Siroca topic, I will say this about him.

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I think the Braves are if Sarka has a bad start,

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not going to be like the two key one

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 1>that we saw. If it is like the two key

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.279
<v Speaker 1>one that we saw, then it's an injury. Something is

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 1>actually causing that. I think the Braves are definitely gonna

0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>give a longo leash if if Sirocca is pitching. But

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>it's that I guess the I guess the question is

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 1>really going to balance like his injury history, saying, you

0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 1>know what, this is too many innings. We want to

0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:11.319
<v Speaker 1>take it really slow to nine because you're twenty one,

0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 1>you already have this shoulder problem. Maybe we'll just make

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 1>this small season for you is a real one. But

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 1>as long as I mean, I don't really see him

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:21.880
<v Speaker 1>having those massive blow ups like we saw the two

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Dusant or the high walk rates of Sean Nugam, etcetera,

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>which should give him a little bit better cushion than

0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:31.240
<v Speaker 1>those guys. It hurts my heart that you hate Hosie

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Kantana May yeah all the way down at sixty four.

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, I saw that last night and I said,

0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 1>oh god man, this reminds me of Chris Archer all

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 1>over again. Overta in in in the preseason and to

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 1>start the season. It's very small sample size again, and

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 1>he's dominated the Marlins and the Pirates. I'm taking with

0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 1>a grain of salt. You know, I'm not looking. I'm

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:55.280
<v Speaker 1>not expecting this type of strikeout upside from Katana started

0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and started off. But what I've seen is that he's

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of gone back to his pitching you siege from

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago when he was a quality

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 1>starting pitcher. Again, I'm not expecting of the world here,

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.320
<v Speaker 1>but can you get back to a mid to highs

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 1>three ear a from years past with the White Sox.

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I leaned towards you Ken Nick, Okay, if he if

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 1>he's going at a three a ear a or so

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:22.879
<v Speaker 1>with I don't know k rate, that's awesome. That's why

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>he's in the mid sixties. That that's essentially what we

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 1>call a Toby at picture list, which is your the

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 1>guy at the back end of your staff. You don't

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:31.759
<v Speaker 1>really love him, but he gets the work done, so

0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you keep him around and like, you know, like Toby

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:37.880
<v Speaker 1>from the office, and I'd rather go after someone like

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Luke Weaver that I think could be a two point

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 1>three point five ear a guy this year who's pitching

0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 1>really well with this change up at the bomb the zone.

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Sonny Gray is making moves right now and Guardarodo Riguez

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 1>could bring much bigger value. Katana is someone that I understand,

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:55.720
<v Speaker 1>especially in deeper leagues. All four Katana there twelve teamers.

0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:58.759
<v Speaker 1>It's not enough of pushing the needle. I think that

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>will get from Katana, and that's why I want to

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 1>favor the other guys instead. Sorry, Frankie, those listening on

0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:13.759
<v Speaker 1>the radio, I'm making a sad face. You got artswer right, Yeah, sure,

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:15.359
<v Speaker 1>but you know I mean I pushed them up into

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>the top forty, which I did not expect myself to do.

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 1>So I appreciate that you give you credit there, and

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I think I had him right inside my top twenty

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:24.600
<v Speaker 1>five entering this season. So that's pretty high on high

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 1>on Chris Archer. He faces the Dodgers this week, so

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.520
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a nice little test there for Chris Archer. Gregy,

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I know you wanted to hear from Nick regarding Zach

0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Eflyn and Jared i Cough. I said, I Cough was

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the guy that I liked this week because he was

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 1>going up against the Marlins. He was one of these

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:42.000
<v Speaker 1>one start pictures that I liked because of the matchup. So, Nick,

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 1>what do you have regarding e Flynn and I cough

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:47.360
<v Speaker 1>moving forward in the Phillies rotation? Sure? Uh so I

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 1>actually have I Coff and ef Flyn right below Quintana

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:53.360
<v Speaker 1>in the next night in the next tier. So I

0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:55.839
<v Speaker 1>mean Katana was sixty four at the end of Tier eight,

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:57.759
<v Speaker 1>fifty four would be in the high of that. So

0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you know it's not even you see the number, but

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 1>it's really just a clump of pictures I with Evelyn

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and if they're kind of two different sides of the

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:10.279
<v Speaker 1>same coin. I cough. I really love his curveball. I

0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:13.000
<v Speaker 1>think he improved even the small boat we saw last year.

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Everything we've seen thus far has been, oh yeah, this

0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 1>curveball is much better than it used to be in

0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:19.320
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and sixteen when he had that fantastic season.

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I like going after a Coff right now because there's

0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:24.960
<v Speaker 1>a higher chance that he makes a big impact for

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 1>your team. But this could be something falls apart quickly.

0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:30.800
<v Speaker 1>While Fflyn. I don't think Evelyn is going to be

0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 1>necessarily detrimental to your team this year, but kind of

0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 1>like Kantana, where there's a good chance where he's just

0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:39.840
<v Speaker 1>bouncing back and forth through the season. He doesn't have

0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:43.840
<v Speaker 1>that overwhelming strikeout stuff. Unfortunately, there are times that you

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:46.040
<v Speaker 1>can really work outs that ninety four mile per fastball

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and then this slider slash cutter around eight six or

0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:52.880
<v Speaker 1>so that when used right, can miss bats. But outside

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:56.640
<v Speaker 1>of that, sometimes there's this changeup. It's it's a little

0:50:56.640 --> 0:51:00.960
<v Speaker 1>bit questionable. And because of that lack of sistance strikeout

0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:04.000
<v Speaker 1>ability I mean right now is a percent rate last

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:05.800
<v Speaker 1>year was twenty point five. I think that's what we

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:09.440
<v Speaker 1>should expect. Plus is out the window. Well, I think

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:11.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a chance I could do that. So I like

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 1>oting them both. I think they're both guys that can

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 1>get a lot of wins on the fields and especially

0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:19.759
<v Speaker 1>can play the matchups right. They should excel for your

0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 1>twelve teamer, but they're not my favorite ones to go

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:24.720
<v Speaker 1>go after because there's still a harder path to achieve

0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:30.840
<v Speaker 1>their ceiling. Right. We talked about the improved the increased

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:34.759
<v Speaker 1>breaking ball usage here for just starting pitchers across the

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 1>landscape of baseball right now, and I'm I'm looking at

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the slider usage for for Jared I Cough Actually in

0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 1>his first start, where twenty three point eight percent. Nick,

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you about this, so you know,

0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I bounced back and forth. I try and use as

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 1>many different resources as possible. I try and use fan graphs,

0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.319
<v Speaker 1>I try and use Baseball savant. But when it comes

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:59.439
<v Speaker 1>to labeling pitches, it seems like there's a very fine line.

0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you consider something a cutter, sometimes you consider it

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:05.719
<v Speaker 1>a slider. So when I look at when I look

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 1>at Zach Eflyn, and I see the thirty seven point

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 1>five percent cutter usage this year, whereas in years past

0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:14.319
<v Speaker 1>he's been throwing a slider. Like, what do you make

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:16.320
<v Speaker 1>of that? Is he actually flowing a new pitch? Is

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>it a cut fastball? Is it a slider? This is

0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:21.680
<v Speaker 1>regarding Zack Efflyn, because it seems like you try and

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.960
<v Speaker 1>use as many resources as possible, but one place will

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:26.799
<v Speaker 1>label it as a slider, one place will labeled as

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 1>a cutter. Uh. You know, how do you differentiate when

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 1>it comes to a guy like Eflyn. Is he actually

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:33.759
<v Speaker 1>using a new pitch or they just labeling it differently? Yeah?

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:36.719
<v Speaker 1>This is I think a labeling thing. Well, okay, specifically

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:40.280
<v Speaker 1>with Efflyn. Uh. For example, pitch type which I believe

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:44.200
<v Speaker 1>is provided by Pitch Info Solutions. Maybe no no way

0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>to hold on that's not that's not pitch Info Type

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:50.440
<v Speaker 1>is Info Solutions, and that has it as a cutter,

0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:55.080
<v Speaker 1>while pitch Type has it as a slider. But the

0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 1>main thing is that it's an eighty six mile prower

0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.839
<v Speaker 1>slider last year and now it's eighty seven point five.

0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:03.520
<v Speaker 1>So whatever that pitch is, he's just throwing it harder.

0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 1>It can be very tough about the actual labels. The

0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:10.239
<v Speaker 1>biggest differences really you'll see is is uh, slider versus cutter.

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you'll see confusion between curveball and slider. Sometimes you

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:16.800
<v Speaker 1>get that from del Patansas, for example. From if I

0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.320
<v Speaker 1>remember correctly, Uh. It can be kind of tough to

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.440
<v Speaker 1>sit through it. But really most of the time, as

0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:25.560
<v Speaker 1>long as the velocity is about the same or I mean,

0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and this is definitely a case where it's essentially the

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:29.320
<v Speaker 1>same pitch, there's no way he decided to all of

0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.720
<v Speaker 1>a sudden change everything and get one mile per hour difference.

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:35.719
<v Speaker 1>He's probably just moving it slightly on his hand to

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.279
<v Speaker 1>get a little bit less spin. To focus more on

0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:40.759
<v Speaker 1>velocity is what my guests would be. But it's not

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.400
<v Speaker 1>really a massively different pitch. It's pretty much the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I coughed versus e Flyn. You have you have

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<v Speaker 1>f f Lyn sixty six. They're back to back ranks

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<v Speaker 1>on the list over at picturelist dot com. You would

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<v Speaker 1>argue that JAREDI cough has more upside overall moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say his strike at rate is more. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say has a higher ceiling with strikeouts, just

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<v Speaker 1>because the kurpo is so good. Uh, And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>he's slightly above Efflyn at the moment. There you go, Greggy,

0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I heard I cough over Efflyn. That helps you know.

0:54:12.680 --> 0:54:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Efflyn's had great control the stars walks for nine or

0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:18.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's getting he's getting ahead in the coup

0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:21.200
<v Speaker 1>very early on here in the season, you know, nearly

0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:24.520
<v Speaker 1>first pitched strike percentage. But I do agree, I just

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that he hasn't enough to to get

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of swings and misses here. That's regarding Zach Eflin.

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<v Speaker 1>He was pitching well and of course ran into the

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<v Speaker 1>Miami Marlins, right, which is we say all the time here, Uh,

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're trying to stream against the Marlins. And

0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:41.399
<v Speaker 1>he goes out and he lets us down. But Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks you so much for for joining us. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a few more minutes here. H Is there anything else

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:47.719
<v Speaker 1>that that you want to promote that you've got going on?

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Where can people find all your work, everything that's going

0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 1>on with Pitcherless? Sure there. Well, we didn't get to

0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 1>talk about Trevor Williams, but I should have a piece

0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:58.279
<v Speaker 1>out today on him, because this is the weirdest thing ever.

0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:00.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how he's doing kind of buying. I'm

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:03.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of buying that it's okay. There, There's like a

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>last piece of research I need to do. I have

0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:06.960
<v Speaker 1>a theory all of a sudden, I need to double check.

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:08.520
<v Speaker 1>This should have been out on Saturday, but I kind

0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:11.640
<v Speaker 1>of threw everything away and restarted it. Uh So, definitely

0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:15.440
<v Speaker 1>check that out on rhotographs. But yeah on Twitter at

0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:17.480
<v Speaker 1>picture list, We're obviously putting on a ton of gifts there.

0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm super reachable. But yeah, follow us on Patreon, Patreon,

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:24.040
<v Speaker 1>dot com, slash picture. Let's join our massive Discord community

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:26.040
<v Speaker 1>where I am twenty seven of us of the staff.

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Come join us. We talk fantasy baseball all day. It's

0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:31.879
<v Speaker 1>the best community on the internet. So we didn't get

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:35.160
<v Speaker 1>to Williams, but it's you know, we've got an article

0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:38.800
<v Speaker 1>coming out from over at Rhotographs which I will definitely

0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:42.439
<v Speaker 1>be checking out because he's just a really interesting starting picture.

0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is a guy who has outperformed his

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 1>peripherals for you know, now almost two straight, you know,

0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:52.200
<v Speaker 1>from from last year to this year. He's only got

0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:53.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty four any of this season, but he's got an

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:57.160
<v Speaker 1>uptick and swinging strikes. So a really interesting picture. They're

0:55:57.600 --> 0:56:01.960
<v Speaker 1>regarding Trevor Williams. Any last words for Nick? Nick, has

0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:05.560
<v Speaker 1>been a pleasure to talk to you, buddy. Yeah, I

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:07.880
<v Speaker 1>just feel like I feel like I want more of

0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:09.799
<v Speaker 1>Nick Pollock to be honest with this, So we're gonna

0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:11.279
<v Speaker 1>make that happen. That would be We've got to do this.

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:14.279
<v Speaker 1>We'll set it up where, you know, every couple of

0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:16.560
<v Speaker 1>weeks or at least want a mom something like that,

0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 1>as long as you're down. Assuming. Yeah, we've had a

0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 1>really good feedback from people who listen and watch. Um,

0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:26.040
<v Speaker 1>obviously they love your work as as do we. Well,

0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:27.480
<v Speaker 1>thank you, guys. It's really been and I are to

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:30.279
<v Speaker 1>be here absolutely. There you go, Nick, Nick time We'll

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:33.360
<v Speaker 1>make you dance again. From hit your list. When do

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:36.279
<v Speaker 1>we return? Will be joined by The Closer. Chris Ventcher

0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:38.640
<v Speaker 1>missed yesterday, but it's back today. I will go over

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:40.640
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of stuff that is not really its pictures,

0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:43.919
<v Speaker 1>but stuff from last night hitter wise and bitual wise.

0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess a whole lot of stuff fantasy wise. And

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:48.840
<v Speaker 1>we want to get Nancy. Nick Pollock, do you appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the time we're back? The fantasy BFFs right after us