Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Joy Taylor, a host of Speak on FS one,
Speaker 2: and you can check me out on the Bootleg keV podcast.
Speaker 3: Bootleg keV Podcast Special Guests here.
Speaker 4: You might see her on TV every day if you
Speaker 4: watch FS one. Joy Taylor, Welcome.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Of course, you're super dope. Happened. I've never watched you
Speaker 3: on TV for so long.
Speaker 4: Like I was like, like, I was just talking to
Speaker 4: my boy because we're big sports fans, and I told
Speaker 4: him you were coming on the show.
Speaker 3: He's like, yo, Joy's fire.
Speaker 4: Hi you Yeah, you've been a staple on television for
Speaker 4: you just said six it's been six years.
Speaker 1: I've been at Fox for seven years.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I just gets six and a.
Speaker 2: Half years because we launched Undisputed about six and a
Speaker 2: half years ago. Okay, six and a half years in September.
Speaker 3: So you were born in Pittsburgh, yes, but do you
Speaker 3: claim Miami?
Speaker 2: So this is how it breaks down. I was born
Speaker 2: and raised in Pittsburgh, right, So I lived there until
Speaker 2: I was eighteen. Still have to on a family there,
Speaker 2: like you know, four and two forever obviously, right, But
Speaker 2: I went to school in Miami, So I kind of
Speaker 2: say I was like born and raised in Pittsburgh and
Speaker 2: then like became a woman in Miami, right, and then
Speaker 2: obviously now I'm in LA and I've been in LA
Speaker 2: for seven years, so La is like home now too.
Speaker 3: And then your brother's like a Dolphin's legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jason, Well, I had like gotten introduced to
Speaker 2: Miami obviously through my brothers and like growing up in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: not just like randomly hopping down to Miami, but yeah,
Speaker 2: like that's how I became aware with the the the area, right,
Speaker 2: and what made me want to end up going to
Speaker 2: school down there. So yeah, he played for Miami for
Speaker 2: thirteen years, legend in the NFL for fifteen years, and
Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4: First ballot. You did you end up starting like your broadcast?
Speaker 4: I think I saw you started your broadcast career in
Speaker 4: Miami at a station out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I started in radio me too.
Speaker 3: I'm still on the radio every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love radio. I started in radio in two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven.
Speaker 4: I started in radio and five. So we're the same age.
Speaker 4: I just yeah, I saw you were born in eighty seven.
Speaker 4: I've been same age.
Speaker 1: So yeah eighties babies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I wanted to start in radio, so you
Speaker 2: will know this. Also, you know, shows and podcasts and
Speaker 2: YouTube shows and digital shows did not exist, of course,
Speaker 2: you know. I was in college when we were coming
Speaker 2: up in the business. If you wanted to be a personality,
Speaker 2: really radio was the way to go, especially if you
Speaker 2: wanted to talk and with sports. It was just around
Speaker 2: that time that the you know, first takes and call
Speaker 2: in show and all you know those PTI we're really
Speaker 2: starting to take off and the direction of the business
Speaker 2: was changing to more opinion shows than it was just
Speaker 2: a traditional sports center recap shows. That's because of phones,
Speaker 2: we were had more access to highlights, so.
Speaker 4: We could see all that if we wanted to on
Speaker 4: Facebook or Twitter, right, we don't.
Speaker 2: We don't have to wait for it for Sports Center,
Speaker 2: which you used to have to do. So it shifted
Speaker 2: the business. So I wanted to be able to talk.
Speaker 2: I wasn't really interested in being a reporter beat writer,
Speaker 2: and radio was a space to get into the give
Speaker 2: you that opportunity. So I started in sports radio at
Speaker 2: five sixty q AM in Miami. That was my first internship.
Speaker 4: Wow, interning is in radio for people who don't know,
Speaker 4: at least back then. I'm sure it's rough, because did
Speaker 4: you You probably didn't get paid anything. No, because back then
Speaker 4: I got paid nothing. No, you should just be happy
Speaker 4: to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was being paid and happy to
Speaker 1: be here. No, I mean I didn't. I did it
Speaker 1: for school credit.
Speaker 4: It's obviously, right, that's the cat get Yeah. I actually
Speaker 4: was not going to college, but I had to go
Speaker 4: to college to work at the radio station. So my
Speaker 4: college career only exists because I had to go to
Speaker 4: college to get credit to work at the radio station.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like we've evolved past all of that now, Yes,
Speaker 2: and the media role has expanded so much that that
Speaker 2: doesn't really exist. But at the time it was just
Speaker 2: really traditional media forms writing, you know, newspapers, radio, television.
Speaker 3: You're setting up tents and stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you got to do the
Speaker 2: promo stuff, you got to hand out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I go to the promo events, you know, get coffee,
Speaker 2: do the rundowns, whatever. But it actually got great experience interning.
Speaker 2: Not all internships are great, and it's the world of
Speaker 2: interning has completely changed since we were interurning, obviously, but
Speaker 2: I also got the intern for DJ Laz who was
Speaker 2: on Power ninety six Legeny Legend out DJ LAS. So
Speaker 2: my first internship was with Joe Rose at five sixty
Speaker 2: q AM, and that was a sports morning show. And
Speaker 2: then I was able to get an internship through constantly
Speaker 2: poking my head in bothering.
Speaker 3: Lass and Meta. That was when he was doing mornings
Speaker 3: AT's Power ninety six.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I got an internship there and worked past
Speaker 2: my school internship and you know, just did the internship
Speaker 2: for free whatever. But I got incredible experience and I
Speaker 2: really learned how to produce shows from working with Laz
Speaker 2: because sports and entertainment crossover so much. Sure, and we
Speaker 2: would obviously talk about the local teams, but obviously we're
Speaker 2: doing a morning show as well, so you got to,
Speaker 2: you know, see what the internet is talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: what's going on locally.
Speaker 1: Is there something in town.
Speaker 2: We'd always have music guests in, you know, act all kinds.
Speaker 4: Of difference, always like rappers want to be athletes and
Speaker 4: athletes want to be rappers.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean there's a lot of crossover in
Speaker 2: the culture, especially in Miami.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean really everywhere.
Speaker 2: It's there's just a lot of crossover with culture and sports,
Speaker 2: right and it's it's really throughout all of society, though
Speaker 2: it's not even really with just with music. Sports are
Speaker 2: such a big part of our existence, and I think
Speaker 2: we really got a whole acknowledgement of that when we
Speaker 2: lost sports during the pandemic.
Speaker 4: I was I was gambling on South Korean baseball?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who wasn't we needed something live on TV.
Speaker 2: It really for me, it will always make me appreciate
Speaker 2: just being able to turn a game on during the
Speaker 2: regular season that we might be like, oh, it doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter. Just having that sense of normalcy taken away
Speaker 2: from you was really jarring. So, but sports are just
Speaker 2: a big part of our lives.
Speaker 3: What was it like for you because you guys were
Speaker 3: still doing TV? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So that I mean because there's like.
Speaker 4: Downtimes in the sports calendar where there's I want to say,
Speaker 4: there's like a patch that we're about to approach.
Speaker 1: We are very close to hers.
Speaker 4: And then all you got is baseball, which I'm not
Speaker 4: the hugest baseball fan. I don't know where you are
Speaker 4: on baseball, but I'm not very passionate about baseball.
Speaker 3: But it's like the dark times, it's like.
Speaker 4: Waiting for NFL, like Okay, what kind of nerdy shit
Speaker 4: is going on in the NFL that we can hear about.
Speaker 4: But I can only imagine during the pandemic, there's like
Speaker 4: nothing I would be listening to, like Bill Simmons and shit,
Speaker 4: and they would just be talking about the Michael Jordan
Speaker 4: that documentary.
Speaker 1: Yeah saved us.
Speaker 2: So Colin and I joke about it all the time
Speaker 2: because we didn't really take any time off and we
Speaker 2: did our regular show, which is five days a week,
Speaker 2: three hours a day.
Speaker 3: Every day during the pandemic pandemic with.
Speaker 1: No live sports.
Speaker 2: So luckily the timing of the shutdown for our show
Speaker 2: matched up with the ends of the NFL season. So
Speaker 2: THEFL season had gotten in, we got through the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and it was it was, you know, NFL off season.
Speaker 2: So even though the NBA shut down, we still had
Speaker 2: a lot of content going on with NFL off season
Speaker 2: because the NFL just moves forward with the idea that like,
Speaker 2: we're going to get through this and play the season.
Speaker 4: I think in that off season, DeAndre Hopkins got traded
Speaker 4: to my Cardinals for scrapped.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady moved by, It was a lot of Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers stuff. There was a bunch of Cam Newton News.
Speaker 2: So we just kind of I mean, we repeated a
Speaker 2: lot of topics, but we once we got to the
Speaker 2: doc that's really when we were like, we need something
Speaker 2: to talk about, right, It's.
Speaker 1: Like it's live.
Speaker 2: We also watched it like that, like everyone was so
Speaker 2: dying for sports content that we really and there were
Speaker 2: some reveals in it, for sure, but for them we
Speaker 2: were watching it like, oh my god, what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: Like the bulls go? When we really watched it like
Speaker 1: it was live.
Speaker 2: But it was a great experience in that sense, like
Speaker 2: there were some things that really kind of all brought
Speaker 2: us together as sports and that documentary.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'd say this, it gave us content.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you okay being a part of Skip Bayless
Speaker 4: he leaves ESPN. Obviously, him and stephen A. Smith have
Speaker 4: this legendary show for all these years. Somehow the magic
Speaker 4: gets recreated, but in my opinion, much better. I think
Speaker 4: him and Shannon are. I just love them together more
Speaker 4: than I loved the stephen A thing. But you're there
Speaker 4: on day one because that that's a big I remember
Speaker 4: how big of a deal it was that Skip left,
Speaker 4: and it was just like, oh, there's something going on here,
Speaker 4: and you're kind of you're there, so like, what was
Speaker 4: it like early early when it comes to just seeing
Speaker 4: those two form their chemistry and just that whole entire
Speaker 4: time and sports media.
Speaker 2: It was a really incredible experience, especially to be the
Speaker 2: part of, like you said, a big story and launch.
Speaker 2: It's always cool to launch a show, but when you're
Speaker 2: launching a show with Hall of Famer and Shannon Sharp
Speaker 2: and Skip Bayless, like the Skip Bayless and everyone's watching
Speaker 2: to see what the chemistry is going to be like
Speaker 2: and how's it going to look, and you know, is
Speaker 2: it gonna work? Are they gonna get ratings? And it
Speaker 2: was It was really a wild thing to be a
Speaker 2: part of. We shot a bunch of commercials, there were
Speaker 2: all these promo shoots, and there's these billboards and you know,
Speaker 2: stories going on, and it was also the first time
Speaker 2: that we had done a show together, so that part
Speaker 2: of it also like behind the scenes, getting into the
Speaker 2: beats of a show as as structured as a debate
Speaker 2: show in that format is a whole other challenge to
Speaker 2: do because, as you know, because he did on that show,
Speaker 2: and you have to be able to balance what we're
Speaker 2: talking about is just about this and not personal, And
Speaker 2: then you have to move the show along and you're
Speaker 2: kind of like, well, I'm moving everything. So like we
Speaker 2: got to get to commercial break, like when do I
Speaker 2: jump in and cut him off so that he feels
Speaker 2: like he's had everything he had to say. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of moving parts, but it was it was
Speaker 2: an amazing experience.
Speaker 1: We traveled a lot.
Speaker 2: We went to McGregor fight in New York. We were
Speaker 2: at the McGregor Mayweather fight, we were at the US Open,
Speaker 2: we were at the NBA Finals in Cleveland, the NBA
Speaker 2: Finals in Oakland, the super Bowl. So it was a
Speaker 2: really incredible, incredible launch and it was a great experience
Speaker 2: working with both of them. And I mean we had
Speaker 2: a lot of fun on that show.
Speaker 4: Is do you think Skip gets a bad rep sometimes
Speaker 4: because he genuinely, to me, comes off like a nice guy,
Speaker 4: like he's I just think that you know, he's so
Speaker 4: dug in on some of his.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's an opinionist. So I don't ever tell
Speaker 2: people how to how they should feel about anyone. I
Speaker 2: know what my experiences are with them. Skip's always been
Speaker 2: extremely generous with me, a great mentor. He's given me
Speaker 2: some great advice over the years. He's gives strong opinions
Speaker 2: and sometimes most of the time people are going to
Speaker 2: disagree with your opinion. That's what the opinion space is.
Speaker 2: So I don't really find that it's particularly unique to
Speaker 2: just Skip, because I've worked with Skip, and I've worked
Speaker 2: with Shannon, and I've worked with Colin, and I work
Speaker 2: with other opinionists now and I worked with big personalities
Speaker 2: in Miami. That's what you're doing if you're giving your opinion.
Speaker 2: The reality is most people aren't gonna like what you
Speaker 2: have to say. I mean, I deal with it now.
Speaker 2: I get my opinion every day. I know people aren't
Speaker 2: going to like what I have to say sometimes, and
Speaker 2: that's fine because that's what my opinion is.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I think my delivery is maybe a little cheek.
Speaker 2: Here that skiffs, but you know, that's that's his style,
Speaker 2: and he's he's okay with people disagreeing with him.
Speaker 4: Were you there the first time Shannon pulls out a
Speaker 4: goat mask on TV?
Speaker 2: I think it was yes, yes, because we actually ended
Speaker 2: up bringing in an actual goat into studio one time,
Speaker 2: so it had to have been after the goat mask
Speaker 2: because he was wearing the jersey the first time. I
Speaker 2: see He's worn it so many times I've lost track,
Speaker 2: but I think the first time he had a jersey on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and then he had the goat masks
Speaker 4: and they had a goat mask.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then yes and then he.
Speaker 2: Because we brought an actual goat into the studio, like
Speaker 2: a real actual goat, so that had to have been
Speaker 2: after it.
Speaker 4: I just love like how he'll bring weed on the
Speaker 4: set and he'll be like, skip.
Speaker 3: This is I'm just like, this is.
Speaker 4: This is amazing, Like like if you would have told
Speaker 4: me like ten years ago that sharp Wood was.
Speaker 1: Going to be bringing some some tree on the side.
Speaker 3: Some tree and cognac on live TV.
Speaker 1: It's just we have a.
Speaker 2: Lot of ability to really dig into our personalities over there,
Speaker 2: which is fun.
Speaker 1: Like you can really you can really be yourself. And
Speaker 1: that's that's what people relate to, is when you are
Speaker 1: enjoying yourself.
Speaker 2: You know, it's television or you're doing an interview or anything,
Speaker 2: you're always going to be up a little bit, you know.
Speaker 2: It's not like when you're showing at your house having
Speaker 2: a conversation. But people want to enjoy the show. You know,
Speaker 2: especially with a show that you're being very combative and
Speaker 2: you're having really serious conversations sometimes and you're having really
Speaker 2: deep arguments and debate, you add a little lightness to
Speaker 2: it every once in a while, you know, do a
Speaker 2: little do a little gloating, you know, pay the pay
Speaker 2: the Man and diet Mountain dew and you know, and
Speaker 2: enjoy the show.
Speaker 4: You obviously go from that to more of like a real,
Speaker 4: real co host role with Colin. And I always tell
Speaker 4: people I've been a huge Colin Cowhard fan forever because
Speaker 4: I'm a radio nerd, and I always would just admire
Speaker 4: his ability to go off without anyone to bounce stuff
Speaker 4: off of, because like you could listen to him on
Speaker 4: the radio like when I was like younger, and I'd
Speaker 4: be like, this guy, it's just him in there, just
Speaker 4: like just talking and it's like really entertaining, which is
Speaker 4: really hard. As you know, because you've been a part
Speaker 4: of radio for so long. I think you guys had
Speaker 4: such a dope dynamic on the show as you kind
Speaker 4: of being his number two. What is it like, Because
Speaker 4: I'm a huge Colin Coward fan, what's he like as
Speaker 4: a guy? And just like what's it like working with him,
Speaker 4: Because you guys had a great run before you went
Speaker 4: to speak for yourself and kick your own thing off.
Speaker 1: Colin's the best. He is.
Speaker 2: I'm a radio nerd too, so you'll appreciate this. He's
Speaker 2: a huge prepper. Yeah, so he does a two hour
Speaker 2: prep show before the three hour show, right, so there's
Speaker 2: a lot of prep. He's very thorough. He wants to
Speaker 2: make sure he has the graphics. He wants to support
Speaker 2: what he's talking about. He wants to make sure that
Speaker 2: he has the sound, he wants to support what he's
Speaker 2: talking about. He wants to make sure he has the
Speaker 2: statistics he's looked up, you know, the historical stuff that
Speaker 2: goes along with what he's saying.
Speaker 1: He really talks.
Speaker 2: Through all of the topics. So his ability to you know,
Speaker 2: stretch a subject the way that you're talking about and
Speaker 2: continue to have the conversation with you the listener. But
Speaker 2: by himself, I mean his brain works differently to be
Speaker 2: able to do that anyway. But it really also helps
Speaker 2: that he preps a lot. He doesn't like to waste airtime,
Speaker 2: so sometimes sometimes it depends on the show obviously, but
Speaker 2: we'll do a little banter back and forth, whatever about
Speaker 2: you know, being in wine country or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm going to Utah. But it's never too long.
Speaker 2: You know. We don't let that conversation be the conversation
Speaker 2: we're having in this segment. Right, he always brings it
Speaker 2: back to, Okay, what do we want to get to here?
Speaker 2: We're gonna we're going to get Aaron Rodgers here.
Speaker 1: Like we can.
Speaker 2: We can go a little bit off to make sure
Speaker 2: that people know that we're human beings. But but we
Speaker 2: got to talk about what we planned on talking about.
Speaker 2: He's very, very serious about the show. He feels like
Speaker 2: it's disrespectful to the audience to not be prepared to
Speaker 2: do a show.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: So that's what that's really what makes him great and
Speaker 2: able to do such a big show, because three hours
Speaker 2: of content is a long ass show.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 2: In our business, that is an insanely long show. And
Speaker 2: he does it as his show, so he can do
Speaker 2: all of that by himself if he needs to.
Speaker 3: Obviously for you, because you have your your solo podcast.
Speaker 1: I haven't done the podcast for a while, but I
Speaker 1: have one forth.
Speaker 4: But while you were doing the Cowhart Show, you had
Speaker 4: your your show, right, was the upside for you to
Speaker 4: leave the Skip and Shanton Show, which is the biggest
Speaker 4: show on the network to go to Colin. Was it
Speaker 4: because you were able to have like, because you had
Speaker 4: your own segment every day, were you able to kind
Speaker 4: of like you were able to get your shit off?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the upside or like what made you
Speaker 3: want to make that move?
Speaker 2: It was partly, you know, obviously a different role, in
Speaker 2: a more expanded speaking role. When I when I first
Speaker 2: went to Collin, it was still just you know, the
Speaker 2: news updates. He'd bring me in here and there, but like,
Speaker 2: it took a little time for us to build up
Speaker 2: the muscle of him being able to just lean on
Speaker 2: me when he needed to, like this trust in chemistry.
Speaker 2: I had done the show a lot, so I had
Speaker 2: already knew the beats of the show because I was
Speaker 2: fill in on her a lot when I was doing Undisputed,
Speaker 2: So we already knew how to do the show together.
Speaker 2: But what the show was going to feel like together
Speaker 2: just took a little time, and us doing it from
Speaker 2: home during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Actually really helped us a lot because we just had
Speaker 1: to talk, that is all we had to do.
Speaker 3: We have nothing else going on with Yeah.
Speaker 2: But for me, you know, my goal was always to
Speaker 2: be in the role that I'm in now, and it
Speaker 2: was important to me to always keep growing in the business.
Speaker 2: So I did two years of Undisputed, and I felt
Speaker 2: like I had you know, mastered that role, and there
Speaker 2: were you know, I'd kind of hit the ceiling of
Speaker 2: how much better I was going to get at that role,
Speaker 2: and I was ready to try something different and you know,
Speaker 2: get into a new challenge and a different type of show.
Speaker 1: So it was never like.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to work with them or anything like
Speaker 2: I love skiping Shannon and love doing that show. It
Speaker 2: was just time for me to go to a new role,
Speaker 2: something new York.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And similarly, that's why I made the jump to speak
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Speaker 4: Yeahuys gonna say, like, for you, you're one of I mean,
Speaker 4: there's amazing uh female personalities in the sports world. You're
Speaker 4: one of the only women who has kind of a
Speaker 4: main role on a debate show at this point. You're
Speaker 4: not just like kind of move like you said, moving
Speaker 4: the segment along. You're you know, you're you're there as
Speaker 4: somebody who gives your opinion every day. For you, has
Speaker 4: it been like you know, I do think sports fans
Speaker 4: for the most part can be kind of misogynistic in
Speaker 4: terms of like the sexism and shit like that. But
Speaker 4: you've done a really good job of like navigating what
Speaker 4: I would say, Like for me when I was in radio,
Speaker 4: it's like you start off as an intern, then you'd
Speaker 4: maybe do weekends and you've kind of built your way
Speaker 4: up to having your own show. Now, how hard is
Speaker 4: that being a female and doing sports like cause you
Speaker 4: are I mean, you can correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 4: But are you like one of the only females who actually.
Speaker 1: In the opinion space.
Speaker 2: There's very few of us, I don't want to misspeak,
Speaker 2: but maybe one or two, but do daily like are
Speaker 2: on the show every day as an opinion show that's
Speaker 2: not directed towards a specific sport, right, which you know,
Speaker 2: I would love.
Speaker 1: For there to be more.
Speaker 2: Right, It's never my goal to be the only one.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean, my career has always.
Speaker 2: Been growing and adding to my resume and the process.
Speaker 2: So like you said, I started as an unpaid intern
Speaker 2: in Miami, and then I was like a full time intern,
Speaker 2: and then a part time producer, and then a full
Speaker 2: time producer, and then you're a freelancer on the side
Speaker 2: while you're producing, and you know, you kind of always
Speaker 2: have multiple jobs in this business also, But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I've I've earned my way up and built my
Speaker 2: way up. But also I don't know, I think I
Speaker 2: think it's all in how you not all in? But
Speaker 2: partly for me, it's been learning from the people and
Speaker 2: the personalities that I worked with.
Speaker 1: Skip is very.
Speaker 2: Different than Colin, is very different than Shannon, is very
Speaker 2: different than Nmmanuel is very different than shady is different
Speaker 2: than lads, like different than Zasla and Miami. Everyone has
Speaker 2: different things they bring to the table. But you're gonna
Speaker 2: get criticized no matter what you do. You're gonna get
Speaker 2: criticized more.
Speaker 1: If you're a woman.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get criticized more if you're a black woman.
Speaker 2: So for me, the misogyny and you know, people even
Speaker 2: I mean today, you can go look on my social media.
Speaker 2: There's somebody's gonna say I shouldn't be there because I'm
Speaker 2: a girl, because Jason's or whatever. Like yeah, those people
Speaker 2: don't sign checks, so who gives an They just they don't.
Speaker 2: Those people don't make decisions, They don't move the needle
Speaker 2: because for the most part, people are watching and enjoying
Speaker 2: good content, entertaining content, educated, opinionated content that they resonate with.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying things that don't make sense. If you
Speaker 2: disagree with me, it's easy to say you disagree with
Speaker 2: me because I'm a girl, But then you're gonna run
Speaker 2: into somebody else that says that that's a man, and
Speaker 2: now what are you gonna do? So it doesn't really
Speaker 2: I've also have a built up a very thick skin
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 3: But I've seen you snap back at trolls before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, I'm in retirement now mostly because Twitter
Speaker 2: is just not as fun as it used to be, Like,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't provide the same same level of entertainment
Speaker 2: for me anymore. But yeah, I mean, I don't I'm
Speaker 2: happy to you know, embarrass somebody or you know, ruin
Speaker 2: someone's day, for sure, But for me, it's more about
Speaker 2: it's more about letting people know this isn't this isn't
Speaker 2: really actually affecting me, and it does certain people. How
Speaker 2: you approach social media for everybody in the business is
Speaker 2: an important conversation you have to have with yourself, right
Speaker 2: And to me, I'm like, if you wouldn't come to
Speaker 2: my face and say this to my face.
Speaker 1: Which we know you would not do that.
Speaker 3: Of course you're not going to do that for sure.
Speaker 2: I can't take you your criticism seriously in any capacity.
Speaker 2: If you if I wouldn't ask for your advice, I
Speaker 2: don't care about your criticism.
Speaker 3: Right, That's that's some real shit. I think everybody should
Speaker 3: have that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not easy to develop that though,
Speaker 1: I mean it's there, it's easy.
Speaker 4: Lets you get to you too, Like, even if you
Speaker 4: don't think like consciously, it's happening subconsciously you think about that.
Speaker 2: STUFFE Well, the subconscious part is the interesting part, because
Speaker 2: I think everybody has a different capacity to deal with feedback.
Speaker 2: The reality is we know too much about each other.
Speaker 2: We should not know as much about each other in society,
Speaker 2: and we all get too much feedback, good and bad.
Speaker 2: So ten thousand people can tell me I'm right and
Speaker 2: ten thousand people can tell me I'm wrong in one day.
Speaker 2: Neither one of them are changing my spirits.
Speaker 1: It's just not a good habit to have.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like being an athlete, Like you can't
Speaker 2: you can't get so down because you lost a game
Speaker 2: that you can't focus on the next game.
Speaker 4: Right, or miss a shot, or if you throw an
Speaker 4: interception you go to you know, you gotta come back
Speaker 4: and be a golfish.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's just how I approach it. But I feel
Speaker 1: like it's.
Speaker 2: Important for everybody to find their own way to deal
Speaker 2: with that kind of feedback.
Speaker 4: Now that you're giving your opinions on TV every day.
Speaker 4: We've seen a lot of athletes have very thin skin, right,
Speaker 4: We've seen athletes have public beefs with Skip a thousand times.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, we could go on and on
Speaker 4: the list. Have you had had I'm not going to
Speaker 4: ask you to name a name or anything, but have
Speaker 4: you had anybody hit you or find out that maybe
Speaker 4: you had said something that had them a little pissed off?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm sure it's happens.
Speaker 3: Maybe, but you're not like mean.
Speaker 4: I feel like sometimes like I feel like a lot
Speaker 4: of times people might take some of the things Skips
Speaker 4: say is like he's like being mean, right, I feel
Speaker 4: like you.
Speaker 1: You have well delivery. Delivery can kind of change livery matters.
Speaker 2: Although I have been told I don't have this soft,
Speaker 2: this delivery I think and look, I mean, it may
Speaker 2: very well happen. I don't really call it thin skin.
Speaker 2: I don't really believe that athletes have to hear about
Speaker 2: themselves all day long and not ever say anything to anybody,
Speaker 2: Like if you have something to say to a media member,
Speaker 2: say it. You know, I don't, it's not gonna it's
Speaker 2: not gonna make me think you're soft. I get a
Speaker 2: lot of feedback all day long, but for the most part,
Speaker 2: people aren't doing shows about what I do. You know,
Speaker 2: so it's it's it's a bit of an imbalance there
Speaker 2: when it comes to media and athletes. And also I
Speaker 2: consider it a massive privilege to be able to talk
Speaker 2: about sports and give my opinion about sports for a living.
Speaker 2: So you know, these these athletes are are one percent
Speaker 2: of one percenters in.
Speaker 1: What they do. So even if they have a bad night,
Speaker 1: they're still doing.
Speaker 2: Something absolutely incredible, right that very few people will ever
Speaker 2: get the opportunity to do, will ever get the opportunity
Speaker 2: to fail at. So yeah, I mean, we give strong opinions,
Speaker 2: but for me, I feel like it's always I try
Speaker 2: to keep it all in the back of my head.
Speaker 2: One not to get too emotional about it, because what
Speaker 2: is all this really like? We're not saving lives here,
Speaker 2: And two, these are human beings we're talking about, and
Speaker 2: they do have feelings and they do put their whole
Speaker 2: heart and soul and blood and tears and time with
Speaker 2: their family and time with their friends and vacations and
Speaker 2: like everything into what they do.
Speaker 1: And they get paid for it. But so what people
Speaker 1: get paid a.
Speaker 2: Lot of money to do a lot of things that's
Speaker 2: still taxing on their spirit and still takes time away
Speaker 2: from other things that we get to do all the time,
Speaker 2: so I just try to keep a human elements in minds.
Speaker 2: That's not to say someone might not still get mad
Speaker 2: at what I have to say, but may you know
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't run into that too much, thankfully.
Speaker 4: The one thing Colin does that I always appreciate is
Speaker 4: he does his bit where he talks about where he
Speaker 4: was wrong. Yes, what does it take that you've been
Speaker 4: just absolutely wrong about recently?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I'm wrong all the time. Now,
Speaker 2: I mean I am wrong all the time. I'm wrong
Speaker 2: about stuff. I've thought that the Lakers would do much better.
Speaker 3: In the Nugget series in the Nugget series, and.
Speaker 1: They did often.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, there's plenty of people who I'm sure
Speaker 2: are going to put in the comments what I was
Speaker 2: super wrong about.
Speaker 1: I don't focus too much on the things, So maybe
Speaker 1: that's that.
Speaker 2: But I don't really take predictions too seriously, right, So
Speaker 2: maybe that's that's why it's not like as a harsh
Speaker 2: thing for me. I love that bit that Colin does, right,
Speaker 2: And it's funny because so many people will come up
Speaker 2: to me and be like, man, I just Colin will
Speaker 2: say he was wrong about something and like.
Speaker 1: He does a whole segments every week.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say he does it every week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, I was wrong all the things that he
Speaker 2: was super wrong about. I don't have a problem saying
Speaker 2: I'm wrong though, and I don't have a problem changing
Speaker 2: my opinion, which is not something that is encouraged to
Speaker 2: be practiced in my line of work. But I'm not
Speaker 2: going to continue saying something when I have new information. True,
Speaker 2: I just don't view that as something that is One
Speaker 2: I don't think the audience really appreciates that, and two
Speaker 2: I don't think it ends up working out. Like, if
Speaker 2: I really feel strongly about something, I won't back off
Speaker 2: of it. But if you've like if I've got new information, now.
Speaker 3: What's your position that you're just like you're dug in on?
Speaker 1: What am I dug in?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What's your sports? Like? You know? For me, I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Absolutely can't stand the Baseball Hall of Fame. I mean,
Speaker 2: I just it's it's the most ridiculous setup. It's nonsense.
Speaker 2: It infuriates me every time there's a vote. It's it
Speaker 2: is a it is a to me, just the fact
Speaker 2: exium and it is supposed to tell the story of Baseball.
Speaker 4: The fact that Barry Bonds isn't in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: I just can't take it serious.
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to say about that?
Speaker 4: Even if you take the season away where he had
Speaker 4: seventy three home runs, he's very Bonds, Like.
Speaker 3: What are we talking?
Speaker 2: He's had like multiple Hall of Fame careers. So that's
Speaker 2: one thing that I'm like, I don't ever want to
Speaker 2: hear about the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: That drives me absolutely inside.
Speaker 3: I never want to hear about baseball.
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Speaker 2: I am a Michael Jordan zelot so, so you're it'll
Speaker 2: be very, very difficult to ever move me off of
Speaker 2: the position that Michael is the greatest BA basketball player.
Speaker 4: Can you at least agree that the only right answer
Speaker 4: to who's the goat is him or Lebron?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, but I will also respect someone who puts Kareem
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 3: Kareem would be the only other one.
Speaker 4: Like if you're like, if you're like eighty five and
Speaker 4: you're like, but you didn't see Kareem's son.
Speaker 2: I think it's I mean, the go conversation we've kind
Speaker 2: of you know, done at nauseum. And I absolutely respect
Speaker 2: Lebron James, and I think it's it's such a gift
Speaker 2: that we have been able.
Speaker 3: To for advantage.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't take him for granted. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: why I don't take him for granted. One because I'm
Speaker 2: a Heat fan, so like, thank you Lebron.
Speaker 1: But I was.
Speaker 2: Really, you know, it's kind of my feelings about the
Speaker 2: Cleveland's era after the Heat. But once he came to
Speaker 2: the Lakers, I was like, I'm going to enjoy this, right,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to Yeah, And also he did
Speaker 2: what he wanted to do, and I'm not like I
Speaker 2: got championships in Miami because of it and had it
Speaker 2: really started my career in Miami in a great way
Speaker 2: because he decided to come to the Heat.
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to be that person that was like.
Speaker 2: Man, I got an opportunity to watch Michael Jordan, but
Speaker 2: I just hated him so much.
Speaker 3: I just barely came to that with Steph because I
Speaker 3: like hate, I like hate the I hate the Warriors. Really,
Speaker 3: I just because I'm a diehard. I got a Lebron
Speaker 3: toy right there. I'm I'm a diehard Suns fan. But
Speaker 3: the Dark Years, as you know, the Dark Years have
Speaker 3: been dark recently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so since the Suns have been absolutely cheeks, I've
Speaker 4: always just rooted for whatever team Lebron was on. So
Speaker 4: I have fucking Heat fan, Cavaliers fan, hate the Lakers,
Speaker 4: but rooted for the Lakers in the Bubble year, you know.
Speaker 4: But uh, I just the Lebron Steph battles.
Speaker 3: That's fair I just saw.
Speaker 4: So many fair Weather Warrior fans at the time, I
Speaker 4: lived in Florida, I lived in Tampa, and uh, there
Speaker 4: was all of a sudden in the middle of the
Speaker 4: state of Florida, there's all these Warrior fans.
Speaker 1: Well, people like to people like to root for things
Speaker 1: that are fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you're gonna you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Get in on the NBA.
Speaker 4: Like it's he just gets so much hate and I'm like,
Speaker 4: he's such a good guy.
Speaker 3: He's never done no weirdo.
Speaker 1: I think Lebron is.
Speaker 2: I think he is the greatest superstar that we have
Speaker 2: ever seen in the history of sports for sure and
Speaker 2: possibly like ever in the country. When you think about
Speaker 2: the fact that he was in high school high school
Speaker 2: was famous in high.
Speaker 3: School sports, illustrated.
Speaker 2: Coming from that to now being how old is he now?
Speaker 2: Forty thirty nine thirty nine years old, played for twenty
Speaker 2: one years in the NBA.
Speaker 3: Has blemish personally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's his biggest controversy?
Speaker 2: That he made a big announcement that he was going
Speaker 2: to play for a better organization after the organization that
Speaker 2: had him for seven years couldn't put another player around him?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 2: What's his Oh and by the way, raise millions of
Speaker 2: dollars for charity and doing it. What's his big controversy
Speaker 2: that he won't speak about China?
Speaker 3: Right, that's it? It's all I mean, people, people make
Speaker 3: up shot.
Speaker 2: I mean, give me a break. This guy's impeccable. He's
Speaker 2: elevated everyone around him. He has raised a family like
Speaker 2: has an unbelievable family life, has represented the NBA for
Speaker 2: twenty years, and in the face and the criticism, like it's.
Speaker 1: It's just take a step back.
Speaker 2: It's remarkable. It's never been done. You can look at
Speaker 2: any superstar we've ever had in sports and music and
Speaker 2: entertainment and movies. You're just gonna fall apart at some point.
Speaker 2: It's just human nature, like the fact that he hasn't
Speaker 2: with all the scrutiny and hate that he constantly gets.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be me. Couldn't be me.
Speaker 4: Couldn't be me either. Okay, so obviously every day speak
Speaker 4: is on. It's just speak now, Yes, to speak, because
Speaker 4: it was speak for yourself. Yes, just speak to speak
Speaker 4: rebrand new logo.
Speaker 2: It's four thirty pm Eastern, one thirty pm West Coast
Speaker 2: for thirty pm Eastern.
Speaker 1: You know, we do everything for the for the East Coast.
Speaker 3: And yeah, what is up with that?
Speaker 2: It's so frust it's the East Coast bias. I'll accept
Speaker 2: it because I was a East Coast girl for a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 4: But you must be let's be honest. You had no
Speaker 4: idea that he were going to make it as an
Speaker 4: eight seed to the finals, did you?
Speaker 1: I did not. I did not.
Speaker 2: I would be honest. I was always hero went down
Speaker 2: holding on to faith because I blindly have faith in
Speaker 2: pat Riley and Eric Spolstra. Although I will say this
Speaker 2: the Milwaukee series. After the Milwaukee Series, I knew, like
Speaker 2: I didn't think that they would get through Milwaukee because
Speaker 2: it's Yannice and Milwaukee. And after that series went the
Speaker 2: way that it did, then I knew, really, yes.
Speaker 3: You thought they would they would get the Celtics.
Speaker 2: Well, think about it, un listen, I've done this this
Speaker 2: bit like fifteen times this week. But you say you
Speaker 2: can't see the Warriors right so much since twenty ten. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Warriors have I think one hundred and eight playoff wins.
Speaker 2: I'm sure correct me, but I think one hundred and
Speaker 2: eight playoff wins the heat of one hundred and six.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Six finals. The Warriors have been to six finals.
Speaker 3: It's crazy because we don't think of.
Speaker 2: It like that, like they've they've been to the finals
Speaker 2: two of the last four years. Yeah, like it was
Speaker 2: the Heat and he's never won Coach of the Year
Speaker 2: the Heat Bucks Celtics Heat. So the Heat have been
Speaker 2: in the finals in the last four years more than
Speaker 2: any other team in the East. They were in the
Speaker 2: Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics last year in a
Speaker 2: game seven, and two years ago beat them in a
Speaker 2: game six. So they've met the Celtics in the Eastern
Speaker 2: Conference finals three of the last four years and beat
Speaker 2: them in.
Speaker 1: Two of them. True, it's just it's just it's a
Speaker 1: Heat bias.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what it is. It's it's that man.
Speaker 2: People are still mad that Lebron went to the Heat.
Speaker 2: They are still mad about it. They didn't hate the
Speaker 2: Heat before that. I'm telling you, think about it, Dwayne Wade, Shack,
Speaker 2: pat Riley Zoe, like, it's it's Miami was not the
Speaker 2: love about it. There's nothing to hate about it. They
Speaker 2: didn't get hate until Lebron came there. And no one
Speaker 2: has gone over it. And now because it's it's not
Speaker 2: the way that people want the team to look. You know,
Speaker 2: it's Jimmy And I was like, well, like, Jimmy's not
Speaker 2: a regular season superstar he's not an envy right.
Speaker 4: He's definitely like a very unique player and the way
Speaker 4: he comes alive. I mean, look, he's but I think
Speaker 4: he's five times All nbas in his career, you know, the.
Speaker 2: Sixth time All Star. I mean, he's a great player,
Speaker 2: but he's not a player that people.
Speaker 3: He's not flashy's not flash He's not someone.
Speaker 2: That yes, they're going to look at and be like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, he's gonna take them to the finals. So
Speaker 2: it's not it doesn't look the way people want it
Speaker 2: to look.
Speaker 4: But I'm just telling you, so all these random dudes
Speaker 4: that they got from, like other teams like Caleb Martin
Speaker 4: and the Gabe Vincent guy who's.
Speaker 2: Under heat the heat with pat Riley and Eric Spolstra
Speaker 2: have had a dynasty for.
Speaker 1: Since twenty ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, they got.
Speaker 1: The only difference is KD had that time with the Warriors.
Speaker 4: Oh trust me, I know, and listen, I've had to
Speaker 4: come to terms of I hung out with Kevin Durant
Speaker 4: during the pandemic once at his house and he was
Speaker 4: the nicest guy ever.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's great, And I was like, damn, I
Speaker 3: gotta go on my Twitter account to lead all these
Speaker 3: tweets people.
Speaker 1: Do you think people will get mad at Lebron? People
Speaker 1: get so mad at Katie.
Speaker 3: I don't understand.
Speaker 4: And then now he's on my sons, So now I'm like, shit,
Speaker 4: I bought me a pair of kds.
Speaker 2: I love Kevin Durant. I will always root for Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2: He is one of my favorite players to watch.
Speaker 3: I loved him until he went to the Warriors, and
Speaker 3: now I love him again.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I had no problem with that.
Speaker 2: I think I'm also a bit desensitized to it because
Speaker 2: I thought it was so funny how people reacted to
Speaker 2: Lebron going to the Heat, so.
Speaker 3: We were like, this is nothing, this is well. And
Speaker 3: also with.
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, and similar to Lebron, because it was the
Speaker 2: same thing, they didn't have a championship with Katie. I
Speaker 2: think people have rewritten the narrative a little bit because
Speaker 2: of the way that the Thunder lost to.
Speaker 3: The Warriors, right because they were up three to one.
Speaker 2: People act like Katie took the easy way out.
Speaker 1: So he was with the Thunder for like eight years.
Speaker 2: Also, he took them to a finals.
Speaker 4: He knew something about playing with Russ. I think we
Speaker 4: all have been in the loop about recently. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe that was not the worst thing to
Speaker 4: leave Russ because Russ it doesn't seem like the.
Speaker 2: Easiest guy, and they and they prioritized Russ over Katie
Speaker 2: they did. So what are you actually mad about? You're
Speaker 2: mad that he went to a great team?
Speaker 1: Was he supposed to go to like a bad team?
Speaker 2: I don't believe in. I don't believe in like suffer, hustling,
Speaker 2: like he doesn't need. He already did his time. He
Speaker 2: did seven or eight years in Oklahoma in Oklahoma City,
Speaker 2: want a MVP there, went to the finals there and
Speaker 2: decided to move on. Why are you mad that he
Speaker 2: went to a great team who, by the way, was
Speaker 2: so well run Bob Myers now leaving, who knows what
Speaker 2: could happen? It was so well run that they had
Speaker 2: Klay Thompson, Steph Curry and Draymond Green and could fit
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant on that team. So are your team's not
Speaker 2: well run?
Speaker 3: I got to ask you one last thing because I
Speaker 3: know you got to go give me your take on
Speaker 3: my Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 2: So I well, I just made an impassionate speech for
Speaker 2: yet so I'll say with that, I love Booker.
Speaker 1: Two. I think I think the coaching is going to
Speaker 1: be important. Yeah, I think you're seeing.
Speaker 3: I was hoping we were gonna get Nick Nurse, but
Speaker 3: he went to Philly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the coaching high is gonna
Speaker 1: be important.
Speaker 3: So it's not Doc Rivers. Please.
Speaker 2: The role players are also going to be very important
Speaker 2: because you you did give up some depth, and you know,
Speaker 2: you give up whatever you need to give up to
Speaker 2: get Kevin Durant. But I think they're gonna look a
Speaker 2: lot different next year.
Speaker 3: I think, no more Ayton, please go give them a lot.
Speaker 2: Of grace that probably everybody else doesn't give them because
Speaker 2: they looked so good as soon as Katie got there.
Speaker 1: But they didn't play a lot together.
Speaker 4: So during the regular season they played eight games, and
Speaker 4: remember he got hurt, right, And so I'm like, like,
Speaker 4: we barely are seeing these guys figure this out. And
Speaker 4: also like I love Minny Williams because he's changed the
Speaker 4: culture of the Suns.
Speaker 3: But yeah, just like zero, like real offense was being ran.
Speaker 4: It literally was like all right, book at your turn,
Speaker 4: all right, Katie, it's your turn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that doesn't surprise me. Because they didn't have enough.
Speaker 3: They didn't have enough time.
Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna look very different next year.
Speaker 2: Definitely they need some depth, right, but once they're in,
Speaker 2: you know they're rolling together, they're gonna be a much
Speaker 2: harder out. I mean, they still went six with the Nuggets,
Speaker 2: who are now in the final, so it's not like
Speaker 2: it's you know, you need to hang your head too much.
Speaker 2: I know people think Kevin Durant should win a championship
Speaker 2: every year, and they were favored, and look I thought
Speaker 2: they would go further as well. But I think they're
Speaker 2: gonna look very different next year.
Speaker 1: It's not over well.
Speaker 4: I'm a huge Suns fan. Hopefully we figure it out
Speaker 4: to you and hopefully your heat win the finals.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I also don't like Denver. I like Jokic, He's just
Speaker 4: he's just too good. It's like frustratingly good, like when
Speaker 4: you're because I'm a Son's fan watching that motherfucking guy
Speaker 4: looks just so out of shape. He's not out of shape,
Speaker 4: I know, but he just looks he looks like someone
Speaker 4: in my friend group.
Speaker 3: You know, they're like, I should you be playing basketball?
Speaker 1: Like could like reverse, and he's just so good.
Speaker 3: It's just he's just crazy.
Speaker 1: It's just he is. He's really he's an he is
Speaker 1: an irritatingly good player.
Speaker 3: He's so irritatingly good.
Speaker 2: But he's so good, he's the next time he's up
Speaker 2: for an MVP, there's not gonna be as much pushback
Speaker 2: as there was this time.
Speaker 3: I know. And it's like I really wanted him be
Speaker 3: to win this year.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 3: I did because I feel like, Yo, he deserves one,
Speaker 3: you know, but damn if if Yogic proved everybody who
Speaker 3: voted for a B well.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a regular season award because it is
Speaker 2: a regular season award.
Speaker 1: And then Yokic kind of took called out for.
Speaker 2: It because I always say that, And then I was like, what, Also,
Speaker 2: Yokic shouldn't win three in a row because he hasn't
Speaker 2: done anything in the postseason yet. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: well not not not, you'll call me a hypocrite, but
Speaker 2: I don't like to play that game though too much.
Speaker 4: Listen, it was a regular season award, and B led
Speaker 4: the league scoring. Yok took the last one.
Speaker 1: He absolutely deserved it. I mean, he deserved it.
Speaker 3: It's he's playing with James Harden, it's not the easiest thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should make a postseason MVP.
Speaker 3: I agree. I'm surprised I haven't done that yet.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just making us say that it's like the
Speaker 2: Finals MVP, but like the Finals MVP is so specific
Speaker 2: to that series.
Speaker 4: Just making up trophies at this point, like the fact
Speaker 4: there's a Western Conference in Eastern Conference.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm like, this is stupid.
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Speaker 3: Go watch it on YouTube too, That's where I watch it.
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