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Speaker 1: I have a very very special guest with me, doctor

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Speaker 1: Steve Perry. We do, uh, I guess you would call

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Speaker 1: it a cross uh pollinate in many of the same circles.

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Speaker 1: And so I thought this was a really, really good conversation.

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Speaker 1: I talked about this when I addressed the Candice Owens

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Speaker 1: that frustration and that trauma comes from.

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Speaker 3: A lot of times with.

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Speaker 1: I did posting, but those who are following me put

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Speaker 1: a five in the chat. If you remember when I said, now,

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Speaker 1: I've been loving on you black man this whole time,

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Speaker 2: Activist this whole time.

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Speaker 1: It is plenty of black conservatives who agree with many

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Speaker 3: Then there's somebody like myself, that's different in politics. That's

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's different. But i'm i'm I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: Let me, let me put a pin on this just

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Yeah, Canice went harder than most? Yes, she

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Speaker 3: Is this better? Yes, I think that most black people

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Speaker 3: The trial of the century. It was not because a reason,

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Speaker 3: You know, because as I said at the top of this,

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Speaker 3: her sense of humor would have turned into when she

437
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Speaker 3: got older. And you know what kind of grandmother would

438
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 3: she had been, and you know what was she had

439
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: done with her life. Maybe she'd have done something really

440
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: really powerful, or maybe she wouldn't, but we'll never know,

441
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 3: because in my opinion, OJ killed her. And people, I

442
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 3: want to say this one quick thing about this really quickly.

443
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 3: People say, well, how could he have done that? People

444
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: forget that OJ Simpson was a very large man, very

445
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 3: large strong man. We're not talking about a guy who's

446
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: five five, one hundred and forty pounds going up against

447
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: his sisters one hundred forty four pounds and they date.

448
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 3: It's like a bang out, which I'm a very small

449
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Speaker 3: young woman and a very large, strong, world class athlete.

450
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Speaker 1: Right that was on the field being hit and hitting

451
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Speaker 1: strong men him.

452
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Speaker 3: And treated those men who hit him like tissue paper.

453
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: When you see what he was able to do with

454
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Speaker 3: the strongest men alive at that time, Yes, what he

455
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: was able to do, y'all didn't want OJ grabber you.

456
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: You didn't want OJ grabb.

457
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Speaker 1: We're talking about a woman that was probably one hundred

458
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Speaker 1: and twenty pounds at best, and and even rob at

459
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Speaker 1: the yeah, even right at the time. Very well, I

460
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Speaker 1: think he was one hundred thirty pound like for the

461
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: like very small small people. And I this is a

462
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Speaker 1: whole nother podcast because I really love getting to the

463
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: evidence of this case. But but continue, because you know

464
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna be man saying, oh, Jay didn't do it.

465
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Speaker 2: Where where are y'all getting?

466
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Speaker 3: I'm just get particular.

467
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Speaker 2: Letnim look at the evidence. We'll go They say blood

468
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Speaker 2: would have been.

469
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Speaker 3: Everything, We'll go ahead, Yeah it was. But anyway, I digree.

470
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Speaker 3: So for me, for me, we owe it to every

471
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Speaker 3: single woman who right now is thinking I ain't gonna

472
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 3: say nothing. I ain't gonna say nothing because if I

473
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: say something, people and think I'm lying, like they thought

474
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Speaker 3: Nicole Brown Sceptum was lying and I'm not gonna say

475
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: nothing about it, you know, I'm just gonna take this

476
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: ass and maybe he'll stop and maybe, you know, because

477
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 3: he doesn't beat my ass every day, he beats to

478
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Speaker 3: some time. And so when he's not beating my ass,

479
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: he's a good dude, Like he's a good father, he's

480
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: a good earner, whatever they think, the good is that

481
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: he is that's worked the behind women that they keep taking.

482
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Speaker 3: We cannot have a conversation about OJ Simpson without having

483
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: a very important conversation about how part is an eye

484
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Speaker 3: as a heterosexual black man and father who has sons,

485
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 3: so I'm not even talking about my daughters, who has sons,

486
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 3: have an obligation to make sure that when dudes do,

487
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: when we know dudes put their hands on women, calling

488
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Speaker 3: the bitches that they are calling, the clowns that they

489
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: are calling, the weak men that they are. If you're

490
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Speaker 3: a man you put your hands on a woman, you're

491
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: a punk. You're weak ass punk. I don't care what

492
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: they get mouthy. If you're concerned about a woman beating

493
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: your ass, we got a bigger problem. So in this case,

494
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: we have to take this opportunity in the most guttural

495
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: honest sense and call out what needs to be called out.

496
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Speaker 3: We could talk about him being a sellout and him

497
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Speaker 3: being in the white communion and the waters other things.

498
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: That is cool. But if and we do know this

499
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Speaker 3: from the evidence of the case, that he did put

500
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Speaker 3: his hands on her, we know he did. We know

501
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: he absolutely did. She didn't give herself that black eye,

502
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 3: she didn't beat herself up. Come on, man, come on man.

503
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: But he got away with because he was the chosen one.

504
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: He got away with it and not everybody, very few

505
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: people are married to going with Dayton whatever we call

506
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: it today, messing with a world class athlete.

507
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well she you can hear on the

508
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: novel one tape saying he's going to get away with it.

509
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: Again, I mean, she literally was saved when she was

510
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: called But and again this is not me caping form

511
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: the cole. I'm just telling you guys in the comments

512
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: what the evidence actually was. And there was also a

513
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Speaker 1: lot of evidence that did not make it to the trial.

514
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: For example, the woman that said she saw O. J.

515
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: Simpson driving away from Bundy Drive, but because she went

516
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Speaker 1: and talked to the media of the National Choir picked

517
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Speaker 1: it up.

518
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: That was thrown out.

519
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: There was also evidence where the guy who lived in

520
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: the Coal's apartment complex said I heard a black man

521
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, arguing with them, and that got thrown out

522
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: because Johnny Cochran, again being a spectacular defense attorney as

523
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Speaker 1: he should, got that thrown out because he said, what

524
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: as a black man sound like? There was many pieces

525
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: of this that did not make it, you know, to

526
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: the trial because again the legal team was indeed the

527
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: defense attorney would and then we'll close out here because

528
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: I again, I could have a whole podcast just about

529
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: the evidence along. But for me, even as a child

530
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: or teenager at that time, for me, it was always

531
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: and all those things you talk about, you know where

532
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: people can say circumstantial or just caulse somebody beat somebody

533
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: on me, they'll kill him. For me, it was always

534
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: the limo driver. That was always because I always looked

535
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: at the limo driver doesn't have a dog in the fight.

536
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: It was documented what time he arrived, and there was

537
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: ten tens somewhere around that time. It was documented that

538
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: he called in to say, hey, mister Census not here.

539
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: It was documented that he called back, that he rang

540
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: the doorbell several several times, it was documented that he

541
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: called back and said, oh, I see him now. You

542
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: saw the black, shadowy figure going.

543
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: To the house, And it was documented when he came out.

544
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: All of these things of that time, of what was

545
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: happening during that time was documented.

546
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: And so I always looked at that piece of evidence.

547
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: And they've done this, guys like you guys got to

548
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: go back and just watch all of this and come

549
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: up with your own narrative. But the between him and

550
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: Kato Kato, Kato saying that he heard the thump at

551
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: that exact time on his air condition, yes, that he

552
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: was on the phone with his friend and said, I

553
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: just heard something outside that that was where the gut

554
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: the glove was found.

555
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 2: All of those things with people that didn't have a

556
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: dog in the fight, that really had no reason to

557
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: for that timeline to add up. They checked the phone records.

558
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: He was on the phone at that time, like all

559
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Speaker 2: of it.

560
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: So for me, it was always about looking at what

561
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: happened during that time. Either you did it or you

562
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: know who did it, or you were there or something

563
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: there was some connection with that. And remember he did

564
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: a big pr campaign after he got away, after he

565
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: was found not guilty I'm gonna find who murdered my wife.

566
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: We never heard anything. What we did here was a

567
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: book that said if I did it.

568
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: What we did here was mocking.

569
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: Like guys, now you can go on Instagram and look,

570
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: well and somebody saying the glove didn't fit. Again, these

571
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: are people that just watched the trial this one time

572
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: and see these or see these men.

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Speaker 3: You took a glove and if you take a lether

574
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: glove and you're dropping in water and let it dry

575
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: on two sides of the smaller, correct.

576
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: That's the correct. That's the fact.

577
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: And it was also under another piece of plastic. He

578
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: had to have his hands in plastic. So again, there

579
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: are many many things that people have to look at

580
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: when you look at this case. The dramatization that was

581
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: in the media, like people are saying in the comments

582
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: old the glove didn't fit, the genius line by Johnny

583
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: Cochran from the esteemed Johnny Cocker, if it doesn't fit,

584
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: you mustle quit.

585
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: All of those things. The media going out.

586
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: Johnny Copper also organized around this, had community activists around this,

587
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: had people on the ground who were sending the message,

588
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: which is why when I train how to win in the.

589
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: Court of public opinion.

590
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: Is very important that you're keeping the narrative, that we

591
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: create our own narrative. This is why I tell people

592
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: when people say protests don't matter and what you're doing

593
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: done matter, Yes it does, because what we're doing is

594
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: actually preparing that jury. And we can see this by

595
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: example with the George Floyd matter, with when Derek Sharvin

596
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: was on trial. Guys, go back and look and see

597
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: where the jury where the guy the people who actually

598
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: recorded said, well, I knew to take out my phone

599
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: and record it because I knew something wasn't right about this.

600
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: Well, how did they learn this?

601
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: Through the protests, through the education of social justice, through

602
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: saying if you see something recorded.

603
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: Through all of these things, guys, we have crew.

604
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: That's right, created an environment where now you are actually

605
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: getting the jury, getting your jury to think how you

606
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: need them to think when they get in that booth,

607
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: in that in that uh in that booth, and it

608
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: has it has played for our advantage. The problem means

609
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: people don't want to sign up for jury duty. They

610
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: do anything to get out of jury. Do not understanding

611
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: we need you in that needs you there because you

612
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: have a different perspective and that's what you see, uh

613
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: with George something. Somebody also said Mark Ferman, we forgot

614
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: all about that. That's a whole other conversation. When Mark

615
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: Furman when they when he when they called him on

616
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: tape saying the racist.

617
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: Things that he said, it was over with from the

618
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: idea of.

619
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Speaker 1: Reason, that's right, that's right when the person is racist

620
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: as hell, that founds the glove.

621
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: Find the glove. We automata saying there's.

622
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: No way he can be telling truth. And people also

623
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: need to look at reasonable doubt. I encourage you to

624
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: go look that up because there a lot of people

625
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: like throwing that out.

626
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: All you need is one reason that really.

627
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: Reason of doubt doesn't mean just anything. It has to

628
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: be something of stack, you know, that makes sense. And

629
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: so the way this dream team put it together from

630
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: the forensic science with DNA, which by the way, guys

631
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: Bary Shake even today founded, uh the heit Assist project

632
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: got plenty brothers out right now. People don't even know

633
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: about that. The Nocent Price Jack, we do work with them.

634
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: Barry Shak founded that based on DNA. When you had

635
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: Barry shape with DNA, when you had Flee Bailey, notorious

636
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: for how he delivered, and how he was able to

637
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: drive a point home. He was the one that questioned

638
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: Mark Ferman. You know, people didn't like it the way

639
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: I questioned Vivid Ramasama. They still talking about there to

640
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: this day. But that was a Flee Bailey style.

641
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: You know.

642
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: I remember Doctor Perry watching this as a teenager saying, yes,

643
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm the Aflee Bailey. That was who I gravitated to.

644
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily the smooth you know, Johnny Cochran.

645
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: It was the Flee ba Bailey. Did you or did

646
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: you not say nigga?

647
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: You know?

648
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: It was it was all of those things. It was

649
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: the Carl Douglas. It was that meticulously went through blah

650
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: blah blah. It was Barry Shack, who was the DNA king.

651
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: This was when DNA was early in its early days

652
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: and was able to show one in five.

653
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Speaker 2: Billion, whatever that number was.

654
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: This could have possibly been anybody you know, putting that

655
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: data out.

656
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: There strateges it going through.

657
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: It was Barry Shack saying how about that, mister funk.

658
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I know this case inside.

659
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: And you do you do? And here's that's the that's

660
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: the inside of the courtroom. But what we also have to

661
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: think about this happening. During this time, we talked about music,

662
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: We talked about music being conscious and black consciousness, and

663
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: and and we talk about the creation for the first

664
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: time and of not black exploitation cinema, but actual black

665
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: celebrations cinema, cinema, boomerang, house party, all these movies that

666
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: we were starting to watch that were showing black people

667
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: as being like just people, like normal people. And that

668
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: we also have to realize that we saw Johnny Cochran

669
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: as a lead attorney. Now you turn on the TV,

670
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: you see a whole bunch of black people play judges,

671
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: and but that's not It was not the case back then.

672
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: We were criminals and everything like that. I'm gonna take

673
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: it one step further. I'm taking that one step to

674
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: come go back to go forth. Remember Doug Williams, whose

675
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: football I have right here. Doug Williams had just been it,

676
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: just won a Super Bowl. We still didn't have black

677
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL. Did you think we don't have

678
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: black coaches? Now?

679
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: What did you think we had back that?

680
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: Black people were not in leadership roles? All we were

681
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 3: were athletes at best. So here you have Johnny Cochran

682
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: playing way outside it, punching way above his weight, leading

683
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 3: the dream team against the United States of America. Come on,

684
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 3: not since us Houston in u In Brown digital or

685
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: or Thurgood Marshall, and not since Ben had you found

686
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: a black person as an attorney in such a high

687
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 3: profile role. And he wasn't this time fighting a race case.

688
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: He was actually fighting a criminal case. We had never

689
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: seen anything like that. There was no such thing. And

690
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: then it was on TV. There cameras in the courtroom.

691
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: What we saw for the first time was justice unfolding.

692
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 3: Because to your points, as a lot of black people

693
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 3: have never been in the court room. We never been jurors.

694
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: We always been defendants. So we've seen government from a

695
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: whole different side. So when you see someone like when

696
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 3: you see someone like who I'm thinking of the defense

697
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: the uh prosecutor. You said his name earlier, Chris Darden,

698
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: Chris Darden. When you talking about someone like Chris Darden,

699
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: he's working for the government. He's just working for the man.

700
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: He ain't nothing but an overseer. So you're seeing a

701
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: time in American history when all these elements are coming together.

702
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: I don't care if you're watching the Redskins fan. I'm

703
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: a Dallas Cowboys fan. I as a Dallas college This

704
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 3: should be a sacrilegious I have a signed football from

705
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: Doug Williams because when Doug Williams won the MVP for

706
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, we won the Super Bowl. It proved

707
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 3: that we could do it. When Johnny Cochrane did that,

708
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: he proved to so many young black men that we

709
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: could be that too, so many young black women that

710
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: we could do that too. You know, you connected to

711
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: athlete Bailey, but what we all know is that the

712
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 3: quarterback of that team was John Cochran.

713
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: Situation cat.

714
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: And I and and I want to be clear like

715
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: I connected to you know, I'm a bootleg preacher.

716
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: You know I be preaching, So I.

717
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: Connected to the pasttorial delivery of Johnny Cochrane for sure.

718
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying in my debate style that, yeah, that

719
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: some people. I got to be clear back for the

720
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: people on here because I want to think that I'm

721
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: connecting no white man when it comes to my debate

722
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: style that people still can't get over there. They say

723
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: that every day on the Breakfast Club. I has vivid

724
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: Ramsami a year ago and they still talking about that

725
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: and and the reON because it.

726
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: Is so tenacious and so uh.

727
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: Like a guy told me last week, ambushy, you know

728
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: that that style. I was watching it in real time,

729
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: but I still appreciated the pasttorial.

730
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: Uh.

731
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: And I do that sometimes people on my on my

732
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: I G.

733
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: They see me, uh, I may come for some and

734
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: then all immediately go to what you know, I still

735
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: love you, sweetheart.

736
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: That was the Johnny cockran stad we judge, O, pardon me, judge.

737
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: You know he had a way of a charisma about himself,

738
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: so I picked up for me.

739
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 2: I picked up. I tried to look at his charisma.

740
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: I looked at Ethlee Bailey, known as a junkyard dog.

741
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: I always wanted to be the junkyard dog. I looked

742
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: at you know, what Carl Douglas was doing. I looked

743
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: at the ability for Barry Shack to break down DNA

744
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: in an understandable way. Which is why Charlemane caused me

745
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: to hook whisper, because he said, you can explain things

746
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: in ways that people cannot. And I remember, you know,

747
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: him being able to make it so simple for people.

748
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: How they were walking over the evidence, how you know

749
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: they weren't being careful. They didn't have gloves, they didn't

750
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: all that, and I remember the moment of saying, how

751
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: about that, mister Fond and just being able to show

752
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: that they didn't have gloves at that particular time when

753
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: they were picking up that particular piece of evidence. It

754
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: wiped out everything in addition to the Mark Ferman. So

755
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: it was so many layers of this case that I

756
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: just wanted to talk about.

757
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: And I appreciate you being today.

758
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm really I keep saying, I'm gonna let you go

759
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna spend more time talking about because there

760
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: is one, you know, Rest in peace to O. J. Simpson,

761
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: whether you loved, did not love, admired for whatever reason, resented,

762
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: whatever it is. A family did lose a dad, you know,

763
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: and and a father and all of those things. And

764
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: at the same time, so did Nicole Brown Simpson. This

765
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: is going to bring Ron and Ron Goldman, and people

766
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: are mad at at Caitlin. And I'm gonna say this

767
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: to the people who and you know, I don't care

768
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: for nobody, but I'm gonna say this to the people

769
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: who got on my live saying, you know, Kaitlyn Jenner

770
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: was wrong for what she said. Well, people have to

771
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: remember at that time, she Caitlyn Jenner was the husband

772
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: of the Kardashian who was Nicole's one of the Cole's

773
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: best friends. So and a lot of people may not

774
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: know that. So when they when the Kardashians was going

775
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: through this, Just so y'all don't know because a lot

776
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: of people don't do their history. They just be talking, Uh, Kardashian,

777
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: what's my mom's name, Missus kardashi you know, for example,

778
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: forgetting Chris Chris. Chris Kardashian was the wife of Robert Kardashian,

779
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: who was the lead attorney on the Simpson case. Yes,

780
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: before you, that's why he was losing the case.

781
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: And he did not believe. He believed in o J.

782
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: He was the first one there. People need to understand this.

783
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: He was the first one that he was his best friend.

784
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: But as a gift, that's right. As the evidence started unfolding,

785
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: he began to believe that o J did it.

786
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: Now he stayed on the case through resentment.

787
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm not through resent I don't know why he stayed

788
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: on the case, but he started to believe I don't

789
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: believe OJD. And if people go back and look at

790
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: the verdict, and and look at when they said not guilt.

791
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: See look at Kardashian's face. He literally shod like he said,

792
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't believe it. He literally he thought, oh,

793
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: Jay did it.

794
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: So I want guys to understand that that when you're

795
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: seeing Haitlen Jenner make that comment. She was the husband

796
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: of the best friend of that family at that time.

797
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: And they said, but.

798
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: They were all friends. They were all part of a

799
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 3: friendship network. So it's just imagine if you will your

800
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: friend is killed by another one of your friends, right,

801
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: I mean, he y'all ain't gonna be like all rip

802
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: sleeping peace. You're not gonna do that. You're gonna be

803
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: like good riddans at best. The most polite thing you're

804
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: gonna say if your man, if you cool with a

805
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: couple and he kills her or she him and gets

806
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: away with it, y'all probably gonna have some choice word

807
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: for him too.

808
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: So and in the me and for them, they believed

809
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: he did it, and they believed it based upon the

810
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: relationship that.

811
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 2: They had they were when they were around her.

812
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: So God, you gotta, yeah, you gotta be mindful of y'all,

813
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: y'all don't understand like if you, if you, if you

814
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: with the cruel people, y'all all growing up together, you'all

815
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: married at the same time. You know, when certain people

816
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: come to the crib and y'all about to have a

817
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: cookout or a party, whatever you like, they've just been arguing.

818
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: Again.

819
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: Dang, she come in, she crying, and he come in.

820
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: He voices rats because they didn't have another argument. And

821
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 3: then you hear you hear she's dead. And did you

822
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: know them well enough to know that she has told

823
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 3: you that he beats your ass, right, I mean, I

824
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: will hold the grudge on that one.

825
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: Mean, I mean that definitely she had Definitely she has

826
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: the right to have an opinion on it, you know. Uh.

827
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: And and so I'm just pointing it out for those

828
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: who are not familiar with it, that that is coming

829
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: from a very personal place. It's not just a hot take,

830
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, whether you agree with it or not. Kaitlin's

831
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: not just making a comment based upon you know, just

832
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: how do I feel. It is really from a relationship.

833
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: So when people say she was out of pocket, and

834
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm just addressed to some of the people that were

835
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: here saying she had PAGA. I don't know, she got

836
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: a personal opinion based on the relationship. We're probably more

837
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: out of pocket than they are because we don't know

838
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: who those people are, never have met them, and never will.

839
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: So I'll say this, I'll say this, I'm I don't

840
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: know whose death I'm going to sell them the break,

841
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: So when somebody's dead and dead, I don't I'm not

842
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: gonna say there and say that. I want great things

843
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: to happen for everybody, but death is death.

844
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 4: And everybody's gonna die by the way, and so and

845
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 4: so in terms of good riddings, I don't know from me,

846
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 4: I think, as we've all been taught, if you don't

847
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 4: have anything nice to.

848
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: Say, you know, you don't say anything. So I don't know.

849
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,479
Speaker 3: But again, well, I think just being fair, I didn't

850
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: lose the friend, I.

851
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: Didn't lose the friends.

852
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: And again, because there's gonna be so many conversations about this,

853
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: so many people unpacking this, so many people, I think

854
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: I think her point was that was let me put

855
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: this out here too for y'all to deal with.

856
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: I want you to recognize what.

857
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: This meant to me, because not saying anything at all

858
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: was you know, we talk about this all the time,

859
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: messages continue to go on.

860
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: And on and there's nothing. There's nothing there for checks

861
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: and balances, So I think.

862
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 3: And I didn't hear the whole quote. And I didn't

863
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: hear the whole quote, so I don't know what it was.

864
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: It was just that. It wasn't anything else, but that

865
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: just good riddings. Okay.

866
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: So again for me, I care not what Caitlyn Jenner

867
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 3: says about anything. For me, the the real story is

868
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: that Ron Goldman is dere Nicole Bron Simpson is dead.

869
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 3: Now O J. Simpson is dead. We can talk about

870
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: as we have the what that meant during that time,

871
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: what this case meant during that time, and adding context

872
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: for those who may not have lived through it. Uh.

873
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: But I returned to I cannot have this conversation again

874
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: as a heterosexual male, father, husband, friend and not acknowledge

875
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: that it ain't cool to beat on a woman. It

876
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: ain't cool to grab on a woman. If y'all are

877
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 3: in that place. And I say this to the brothers,

878
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: if you are in the place with a sister right

879
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: now where you feel like y'all can't just argue like

880
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: normal people and you can't keep your hands to yourself,

881
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: your help, because I recognize a lot of us grew

882
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: up watching and being told that that was the way

883
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: that you take care of a woman. You gotta, you gotta,

884
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: you gotta treat it a certain way. And I've heard that.

885
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: I've heard those same things, and I know it's not true.

886
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: But sometimes you grow up with certain you're being taught

887
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: something and you develop an accent and you begin to

888
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 3: think that way, and it's the wrong way to think

889
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: and it's the wrong way to act. So if you're

890
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: in a relationship brother right now, where you feel like

891
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: you got to put your hands on a woman, he

892
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: don't and being go get some help or see leave,

893
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: if that's what it is that y'all can't just argue,

894
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: and I mean, hey spirited argument. The names get called,

895
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: things get said, But once you crossed the line got

896
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: to put your hands on somebody, I think I'll say this.

897
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: I think a lot of times I don't know about

898
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: in the excemption situation, but I think in a lot

899
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: of these forty eight hours things, I think it was

900
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: an argument that just went one step you better not,

901
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 3: I will, you better not I will and boom, and

902
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: it wasn't premeditated, but they you know, that's you can

903
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: tell that by the fact they didn't clean it up, you.

904
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

905
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: The person I got caught because they didn't plan this thing.

906
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: It was just like went there. I'm saying, if you're

907
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: in that space, either as a man or a woman,

908
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: leave please get help, please, because your children don't deserve

909
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: to go to your funeral.

910
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 5: Behind Well, some people say to relatedly, this was you know,

911
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 5: but then that's a whole other conversation, and it goes

912
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 5: to if you believed he did it or not, which

913
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 5: is a whole other conversation that we can unpack another time.

914
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: This was supposed to be thirty minutes. I appreciate your

915
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: time to go by large.

916
00:45:59,480 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: No, I love you.

917
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: This was great.

918
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: Guys put a three in the chat if you enjoyed it,

919
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: and you're right.

920
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't care about what Caitlyn has to say too.

921
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: I just want people to know because that was twenty

922
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: nine years ago, thirty years ago, and so people are

923
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: just literally they don't even know who Caitlyn Jenner was

924
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: before in that relationship. So I wanted to put that

925
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: out there before that was Bruce talking, you know, from

926
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: that relationship at that time, and people just really have

927
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: to do that research on this case because there are

928
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: so many layers, and so I encourage you guys to

929
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: look at the case, go back, look at the original YouTube,

930
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: take the time and watch the case for yourself. Don't

931
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: just watch the fiction documentary. They're all over the top

932
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the fiction movies then there definitely, you know,

933
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: can be one sided.

934
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: Take the time. If you were interested in.

935
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: Community organizing and how to win in the court of

936
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: public opinion, watch it.

937
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: If you were interested in the law, if you were innocent.

938
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: This is the case that made me want to do

939
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: cable news commentary because that was when CNN actually guys,

940
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: so that you know, really started doing twenty four hour news.

941
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: At that time, there was no twenty four hour news.

942
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: This case showed that the ratings can bring in twenty

943
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: four hour news. I was addicted to build a network

944
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: network and an industry, yes, a whole industry. I was

945
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: fascinated with cored TV. I talked so much about this

946
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: that even in the Ben Crompt Civil documentary they filmed

947
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: me watching this case, but it never made it to

948
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: the It got cut on the cutting floor. But this

949
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: is one of the most fascinating things that I've ever

950
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: that I still look to to this day. From skill,

951
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: from debate, from and I'm talking just from a technical side,

952
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: and then the cultural side of race.

953
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, and I want I think as we close,

954
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: I think people should also go look back at the

955
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 3: music that was of the time. Go look at the

956
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 3: lyrics of the music. Go look at the go look

957
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: at what black people watching during that time. What movies

958
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: would there work. Remember this is the post Cosme Show era,

959
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: so this is post Cosby Show on post a different world.

960
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: Those were coming off the air. This was a time

961
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 3: when it was still a big joke. I mean, this

962
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: is when Tubac said that a black man to be

963
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: president Like that was one of the most revolutionary things

964
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: that you could say because it was just so implausible.

965
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 3: So this was during that time. This was all during

966
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: that time. So look at the fact that there was

967
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: the million Man March. Look at the fact that there

968
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: were these other things going on in the zeitgeist. So

969
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: you see the swirl. Think of Reginald Denny, who was

970
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: who was the truck driver who got beaten up on

971
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: Crenshaw by people who were celebrating then they celebrated the

972
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: fact that this white man who he was just at work, right,

973
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: he ain't Doude. There's no evidence that Reginald Denny did

974
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 3: anything to anyone ever. And they hit this man with

975
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: I've forgotten what it was, something heavy and hard. It

976
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: was something like a break or something, but it was

977
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: something that heavy and hard that could have killed the man.

978
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: So the point is that these were all all the things.

979
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 3: And if you look at this, I've heard it said

980
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: that a riot is the language of the unheard. This

981
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: was a cultural riot that was taking shape, and the

982
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 3: closest thing that we would see would be the post

983
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: George Floyd experience and if during that time one of

984
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: the greatest athletes of that time were to find himself

985
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: in this situation, it would be the closest thing to it.

986
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 3: But that didn't happen, thank god for everyone.

987
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: Maybe for a part too, because again we also had

988
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: to look at what happened after that. That is when

989
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: the the retaliation for the war on drugs and because

990
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: again these same brothers who were doing the peace treating

991
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: were then talks.

992
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: Yes, girl Clint got caught up.

993
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: In mass incarceration, and many would say that that might

994
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: have been a backlash.

995
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: I got a ho you've been talking about that's right.

996
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: I got a whole poem about it, about it all

997
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: started with Rodney King. They had to do something to

998
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: get those brothers off the scene, locked them up, young

999
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: brothers got stuck and now they man. I got a

1000
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: whole poem about like what actually happened.

1001
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: During that era.

1002
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: So maybe you come back and we can unpack that.

1003
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: Cause again, this guy's is so critical. You're gonna hear

1004
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: a lot of things out there about this commentary.

1005
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me to hear this piece with

1006
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: doctor Steve Perry.

1007
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: And I've held him over way longer than I've expected,

1008
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: but this was just such a good conversation I couldn't

1009
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: stop it.

1010
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, doctor Perry.

1011
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: Make sure you follow up Perry on also social media platforms.

1012
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,399
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Speaker 2: A choice school.

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Speaker 1: You can see him and I have a great conversation

1015
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: also on Tears on ten when we talked about school

1016
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: choice versus public schools. That's a great debate between him

1017
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Speaker 1: and Gary Chambers. So just a great friend of mine.

1018
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Speaker 1: When we talk about guys when we're talking off the air,

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Speaker 1: so you guys got a chance to peep in.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, doctor Perry. I appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 3: Love, take care.

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