1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: A little girl goes missing from a wonderful vacation with 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: her parents practically right under their noses. In the last hours, 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: very disturbing and knew Maddie McCann claim what happened to 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: the little girl? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. That's right. In the 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: last days, a very disturbing new Maddie McCann claim that 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: a drunken wife of a British man ran over the 9 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: little girl before the couple dumped. 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Her body at sea. 11 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 3: This has just emerged. 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: Prosecutors have been accused by the media a failing to 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: properly investigate a claim Madeline maddiemann was run over by 14 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: a drunk driver. Now, Portuguese officers allegedly get a tip 15 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: about a British man who was covering up a secret 16 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: about his German wife who reportedly ran over Maddie while 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: the wife is drunk, and then to cover it up 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: they hid the little girl's body. Okay, that's another claim 19 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: in the search for Mattie McCann, But it was decided 20 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: at that time to continue solely investigating suspect Christian Bruckner 21 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: joining me an. 22 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 3: All star panel to make sense of what we know 23 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 3: right now. High profile lawyer joining me out of the 24 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: Atlanta jurisdiction, former prosecutor of felony crimes just like this 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: one now, Defense attorney Darryl Cohen. Doctor Angel Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, 26 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 3: joining us, also from the Atlanta jurisdiction, and you can 27 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: find her at her website. Doctor ANGELA. Arnold, MD dot com. 28 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: Special Deputy Sheriff Johnson County Sheriff's off as executive director 29 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: of the Kelsey Smith Foundation, Greg Smith joining us. First 30 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: to Charlie Langston, Editor Dailymail dot com. Charlie, thank you 31 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 3: for being with us. Charlie, what a long time we've 32 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: waited for justice. And then Maddie McCann disappearance or should 33 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: I just call it like it is, Charlie, the Maddie 34 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: McCann murder, This little girl just three years old when 35 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: she was abducted. 36 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 4: I mean, this is a case as a brit It's 37 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 4: something that has been a part of my life for 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 4: over a decade now, and I think the incredible interest 39 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 4: that remains in this case and in all of its 40 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 4: developments just go to show how much of a sensational crime. 41 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 4: This was It was devastating to the entire country, to 42 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 4: the entire world to see this three year old girl 43 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 4: disappear without the trace, and to see her parents year 44 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 4: after year begging the authority is begging the public to 45 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: help them try and find out what has happened to 46 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: that child. 47 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: You're right, Charlie, just seeing the McCanns crying and begging, 48 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: and of course under the circumstances where little baby man 49 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: he went missing, they were first suspected, which tore them 50 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: up all the more. Guys, who is this guy that 51 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: is now the suspect? 52 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 3: Finally he's been in their cross heres for a long time. 53 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: I don't know what has taken them so long to 54 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: name him an official suspect. Take to listen to ourka. 55 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: Three are friends at sky. 56 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 5: But Madeleine McCann's parents there's still hope she's alive. But 57 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 5: prosecutor hands Christian Volters says he's leading a murder investigation. 58 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 5: Madeline's parents still believe she could be alive. Why do 59 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 5: you call it a murder investigation? 60 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 6: So so many effects that she's dead, so there's no 61 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 6: mucleicut opportunity. Opportunity that she is still living. 62 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 5: The case against the new suspect, Christian b is circumstantial. 63 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 5: He's a convicted child sex abuser. He lived along Portugal's 64 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 5: Algarve coast for twelve years. His last home was in 65 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 5: prior to Louge. When Madeline vanished, His phone was used 66 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 5: outside the mccoun apartment the night she disappeared with. 67 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 6: The Armistlaija from Medlan mckinn begin aboulf an. 68 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 7: Hours does he taught us We don't have Madeline mcken's buddy, 69 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 7: but we expect that she's said. We have some evidence 70 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 7: that the suspect has done the deed, but we need 71 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 7: more information from people places he has lived, so we 72 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 7: can target these places especially and search there for Madeline. 73 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: You know, I find it really interesting out to Greg Smith, 74 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: a special Deputy Shriff joining us justin County. 75 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: You of our. 76 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: People know the power of the ping. Okay, the power 77 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: of a cell phoned ping. 78 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 3: Did I just hear Greg Smith that this guy cell 79 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: phone pain just outside Matty mccannon's apartment. It was like 80 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: an Airbnb where they were staying at this plush resort. 81 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: They didn't know that before. 82 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 8: Now, well, it depends on how they did it. I mean, 83 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 8: there is a way to get live location data, you know, 84 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 8: at the time of the crime. That type of thing, 85 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 8: the stuff that I work on all the time. There's 86 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 8: also a way to get that data though, from historical data, 87 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 8: from what's known as CDRs, are called detailed records. You 88 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 8: can go back and get the information on which towers 89 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 8: ay phone contacted, and their software you can put that 90 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 8: into and it'll map that out and you can actually 91 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 8: see where that phone has traveled. So it would be 92 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 8: interesting to know when they got that information. How long 93 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 8: ago did they get it. Is it something they just 94 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 8: recently said, hey, we can do this. I mean, you know, 95 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 8: there's a lot of questions here, but yeah, fifteen years 96 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 8: is a long time, you know. 97 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: Charlie Linkston, I don't understand it. Charlie Langton joining us 98 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: before with dailymail dot com. 99 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 3: She's the editor of Female Femail. I don't understand it. 100 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 3: If he is linked outside where our parents were staying 101 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: at the time, why has it taken them so long? 102 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 4: You know, this whole case has just been filled with 103 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,119 Speaker 4: error after era after error, starting right from the jump. 104 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 4: When Maddie disappeared, the Portuguese police came under huge criticism 105 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 4: at the time because they failed to take any action immediately, 106 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 4: which we now believe allowed this suspect, this man to 107 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 4: get out of Portugal. As soon as the media for 108 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 4: all began around the Maddie McCann case. This guy slipped 109 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 4: out of Portugal and we believe went back to Germany. 110 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: None of the borders were locked down, none of that 111 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 4: stuff was put into place, and that allowed him to 112 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 4: walk right out of the country. So to even know 113 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 4: that he was there at the time, we would have 114 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: had to have identified him as being in Portugal. Nobody 115 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 4: knew at the time because he was allowed to flee 116 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 4: before anyone could even raise him as a suspect. 117 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: And at that time, Darryl Cohen, he was already a 118 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: sex offender. He had been molesting little girls, oggling them, 119 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: just a long, long history. 120 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: How he was moving so freely from one country to 121 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: the next. 122 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 9: Nancy, you have to wonder where the police were, where 123 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 9: their eyes were, where their head was, and their hands 124 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 9: weren't moving the way they should have. 125 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: Well, obviously I know where their heads were up their 126 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: rear ends, because this guy was allowed to wander around 127 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: right there where this child was staying and there are 128 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: now other cases a rate of a US citizen in 129 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: the area, and a sex attack on another elderly lady, 130 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: another young girl. 131 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: Who goes missing, not too too far away around the 132 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: age and. 133 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: Very physically similar to Maddie McCann. And he's connected to 134 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: all these things that I know. I know, Darryl Cohen, 135 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: that you. 136 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: Would scream bloody murder at trial if I did this. 137 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: But don't you think it's quite the coincidence that where 138 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: the elderly woman is raped, where the US citizen is raped, 139 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: where the other little girl goes missing, that looks like 140 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: Maddie McCann. Where Maddie goes missing, he's always in the area, 141 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: he's always right there, a couple of blocks away. 142 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: That doesn't bother you. 143 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 9: I absolutely admit it is not a coincidence, because I 144 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 9: don't believe in coincidences, But I am very concerned about 145 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 9: the lack of appropriate police fork and their investigation would 146 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 9: dead end until finally and maybe now we'll have justice, 147 00:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 9: just maybe. 148 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. I want you to take a listen now to 149 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: our cut eighteen our friends at Sky News, and this 150 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: is about the possibility that some of Madeline, baby Madda 151 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: Mcamn's clothes were found in an area. I don't know 152 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: if you guys have this, but in a lot of. 153 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: Areas, especially densely populated areas, there are patches of ground 154 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: where people can plant a garden, they can have a 155 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: structure there. 156 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: That is what this guy. 157 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: Had, this Christian Bruckner, and it is there that we 158 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: believe there's a possibility that some of Maddie's clothes were buried. 159 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: Take a listen. 160 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 5: Do you still have the same suspect you had three 161 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 5: months ago? 162 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 6: Yes, we have only one suspect, only Christian. 163 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 5: Me how much information has you been sent? 164 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 6: We got hundreds of hens. Of course, there are some 165 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 6: hens which are only rubbish. There are some hints we 166 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 6: are hopeful that can make our investigation more successful. 167 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 5: Three months ago, you said you needed good evidence, forensic evidence. 168 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 5: Have you found that yet? 169 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 6: We have no forensic evidence. But it's not necessary to 170 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 6: have forensic evidence to. 171 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 10: Charge our suspect. 172 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 6: But we need some more evidence, maybe a witness, maybe 173 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 6: a photo or a video. 174 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 5: I asked the prosecutor what evidence he has that makes 175 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 5: him certain that Madeline is dead. He won't say, but 176 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 5: he is aware of rumors. 177 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 6: Someone told me that we have found the clothes of maybe. 178 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 5: He has the pajamas. 179 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's not true. If we found something like that, 180 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 6: it would. 181 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:50,599 Speaker 9: Be great. 182 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Natty Grace. 183 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: In the Last Days, a shocking new Mattie McKinnon claim 184 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: emerges that a drunken woman married to a British man 185 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: runs over Maddie. Then to cover it up, the couple 186 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 2: dump Mattie's body at sea. 187 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: Oh my stars. 188 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: Now law enforcement allegedly gets this tip about the cover up, 189 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: but authorities apparently rejected a request to use an undercover 190 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: police officer to try to befriend this wife and firm 191 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: up suspicions. Now, that's according to the media. The report 192 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: claims a sister of the British husband made the tip 193 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: off to police that prosecutors were asked to authorize a 194 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: covert police operation with someone posing as a friend and 195 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: trying to get her to confess, but. 196 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: The court refused. 197 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: Wow, it was decided at that time to continue solely 198 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: investigating suspect Christian Bruckner. Okay, who is Christian Brickner? And 199 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: shouldn't every lead be pursued? Take a listen to our 200 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: cut twenty five Our friends at Wuthr. 201 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 11: Prosecutors in Portugal now believe they may have a suspect 202 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 11: in the Madeline McCann case. You might remember that was 203 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 11: the three little, three year old little girl from Britain 204 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 11: who vanished while she was vacationing with her family back 205 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 11: in two thousand and seven at a resort. He also 206 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 11: has a previous conviction in a child's sexual abuse case. 207 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: Evans linking Christian Bruckner to Mattie McCann is we believe 208 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: a photo or a video of her? Now, why would 209 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 3: he have that? Take a listen now, our cut In 210 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,599 Speaker 3: nineteen our friends at Inside. 211 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 12: Edition, Peter Vancentd questioned prosecutor Hans Christian Vaulters about the investigation. 212 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 6: We have strong evidence that Christian be killed Maddie mckenn. 213 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 3: But you don't have a body, correct, there's nobody. 214 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 6: No, we have no forensic evidence. 215 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: Then how can you be so certain? 216 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 13: We have out the evidence and may I speculate that 217 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 13: that evidence may include photographs or video of Maddie McCann. 218 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 6: H may speculate, but I'm not the laws to. 219 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: Tell you if you are right or if you are wrong. 220 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 12: Forty eight hours reports that a search of an abandoned 221 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 12: warehouse that once belonged to the suspect turned up USB 222 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 12: drives that contain pictures and videos of child abuse. The 223 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 12: prosecutor wouldn't confirm if images of Madeline were on the drives. 224 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: Let me go out to doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists 225 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: joining us, doctor Angie. It's one thing to. 226 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 2: Molest a child, it's another thing to video it. 227 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 3: Because if in fact Bruckner had video or photos of 228 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: Maddie McCann, he would have to have made them himself, 229 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 3: because at that time Maddie was not public, there were 230 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: not pictures and video off her online. He would have 231 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: to have made it, which means it would have been 232 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: most likely video of him raping or torturing this three 233 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: year old little girl. 234 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 14: Well, and the horrific thing is if you video something 235 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 14: so that you can watch it over and over again 236 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 14: because you get some sort of thrill out of doing 237 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 14: it and watching it over again, it also means that 238 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 14: this had some planning on his part, doesn't it. The 239 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 14: thing that just gets me is that there's later they're 240 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 14: asking if there's still a lot, if she's still alive. 241 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 14: Maybe if they had have done their work in the beginning. 242 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 14: If she was still alive, they could have found her then. 243 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 14: I don't know why they think that all of a 244 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 14: sudden she's going to be still alive. How are they 245 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 14: ever going to find her? 246 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that anyone has said that she 247 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 3: is still alive. 248 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 14: And that's not and that's not his mo. Apparently he's 249 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 14: you know, he if he did it, he raped her, 250 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 14: he abused her, he filmed it, and because of all 251 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 14: the bumbling around in this, in this in the police, 252 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 14: in this country, he's gotten away with it for this long. 253 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: It's horrible what happened the night that this little girl 254 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: seemingly vanishes into thin air while on vacation with her family. 255 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: Take a listen to our friends at the sky. 256 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 15: A three year old British girl has gone missing in 257 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 15: the Algave in Portugal. Of course we can speak now 258 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 15: to Dan Mason, who's a journalist who works in that area. Dan, 259 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 15: thanks for johinning us on Sky New Sunrise this morning. 260 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 15: What are the details that you've gleaned so far? 261 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 8: Talia? 262 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 13: All I basically know is that the child is obviously 263 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 13: saying a mark Corner establishment and was reported missing around 264 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 13: m last night. She's three years old and sister the 265 00:15:55,080 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 13: name of Madeline or Maddie Fair, and most of the 266 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 13: people in the area were searching through to about four 267 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 13: o'clock in the morning yesterday, obviously through hedges and down 268 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 13: the beach, et cetera. 269 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 3: Straight out to Charlie Lengthy joining us on dailymail dot com, Charliegain, 270 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,359 Speaker 3: thank you for being with us. Exactly what happened surrounding 271 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: her disappearance. 272 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 4: So the disappearance happened while Maddie's parents and their friends 273 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 4: were out at a restaurant in Portugal. They were dining 274 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 4: at a place about one hundred and eighty feet away 275 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 4: from where they were staying. Throughout the night, the parents 276 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 4: went back checked on the children, and at ten PM, 277 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 4: Kate went back Maddie's mom to find that Maddie had 278 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 4: disappeared from her bed. Obviously, as any mother would, she 279 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: flew into a blind panic, alerted as many people as 280 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 4: she possibly could. They then spent the entire night hunting 281 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: for Maddie, but couldn't find her anywhere. Portuguese authorities did 282 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 4: not issue They didn't even issue a description of Maddie 283 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 4: until around twenty four hours after she had disappeared. They 284 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 4: didn't lock down any kind of entrance or exit from 285 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: the town where the family was staying, And it really 286 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 4: was just a horrific comedy of errors that continued right 287 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 4: up until the point when Maddie's parents, Kate and Jerry, 288 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 4: were named as official suspects because Portuguese police accused them 289 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 4: of killing their daughter in some tragic accident in the 290 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 4: apartment and then trying to cover it up. So we 291 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 4: have a man being named as an official suspect for 292 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 4: the very first time since Maddie's own parents were accused 293 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 4: of killing their child. 294 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: I think that there was a lot of public outrage 295 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: that the parents left her and her siblings in the 296 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: hotel room while they went to have dinner. True it 297 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: was only one hundred feet away. True they had nothing 298 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 3: to do. 299 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 2: With her disappearance, but still it was a real witch burning. 300 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 9: Daryl Cohen, go after the people who were closest to 301 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 9: what appears to be a victim easier than going after 302 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 9: the real investigation, Easier than saying, don't have a suspect. 303 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 9: Suspects yet we're looking carefully, Easier than looking at trouding 304 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 9: this net and finding this guy who was a convicted 305 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 9: child molester. Who finding this guy who went after a 306 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 9: girl that looked like Mattie. I mean, this is outrageous. 307 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 15: You know. 308 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 3: Another thing about it to you, Greg Smith, I agree 309 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: with Daryl Cohen, the fact that they focused so much 310 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: on the parents at the get go really delayed the 311 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 3: search for Maddie's abductor. And another thing, Greg Smith, Greg 312 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: the very first saying when a woman or a child 313 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 3: goes missing, you look for sex predators in the area, 314 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 3: and who is in the area unmonitored Christian Bruckner, they 315 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: did nothing. 316 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's standard procedure. Nancy, you immediately checked. I mean, 317 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 8: here in Kansas we have the sex Vendor Registry, so 318 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 8: that was done. In Kelsey's case, that was one of 319 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 8: the first things that was done. We'll see who's in 320 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 8: the area, who could have been in the area, interview them, 321 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 8: talk to them. And while in a lot of these 322 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 8: cases it turns out that there's a family member involved there, 323 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 8: and there's a tendency for police to focus on that, 324 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 8: You've you've got to be aware of the big picture 325 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,239 Speaker 8: and be open minded and figure out that you know, 326 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 8: they may not be this aspect and you can't just 327 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 8: hone in with a preconceived notion that this is what 328 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 8: you've got. So, yeah, that's that's problematic. 329 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: And not only that, do you try Langston. It's my 330 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: understanding that this announcement comes nearly fifteen years to the 331 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 3: day that Maddie goes missing. Do you find that odd 332 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: at all? Fifteen years to the day. 333 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 4: It's actually not odd because Portugal has a fifteen year 334 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 4: statute of limitation on crimes that would call for a 335 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: ten plus year sentence. So I think the timing is 336 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 4: actually in no way coincidental or strange. I think the 337 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 4: timing is very, very purposeful because Portuguese authorities know that 338 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 4: if they don't do something right here, right now, then 339 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 4: it may well be too late to ever punish whoever 340 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 4: perpetrated this horrific crime and to ever find any kind 341 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 4: of justice or at least answers for Kate and Jerry McCann. 342 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: Well, you're right, what Charlie Langston is telling you is 343 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: absolutely correct. Thing that this is just. 344 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 2: The authorities trying to save their own skin in this case. 345 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: Take a listen to Orakat twenty seven. Our friend Simon. 346 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 16: Jones Madeline went missing from a holiday apartment on the 347 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 16: third of May two thousand and seven, while her parents 348 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 16: were having dinner at a nearby restaurant. In July twenty thirteen, 349 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 16: the met Police opened its own investigation, saying it had 350 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 16: new evidence and new witnesses, and it was in June 351 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 16: twenty twenty that German police first revealed they had a suspect. 352 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 16: There have been searches in Portugal, but no breakthrough. In 353 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 16: less than two weeks, a statute of limitations would take effect, 354 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 16: meaning under Portuguese law it would no longer be possible 355 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 16: to make someone a person of interest. But it's understood 356 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 16: this latest development is driven not by timing, but by 357 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 16: strong indications that a crime has taken place. There had 358 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 16: been many false dawns in the investigations into what happened. 359 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 16: The police in Germany had previously worn their inquiry like 360 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 16: the others, could end without a charge, but Madeline's parents 361 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 16: have always said they need to know what happened so 362 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 16: they can find peace. 363 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 3: They've blurted out publicly that they don't have any forensic 364 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 3: evidence that hurt the case. But now I'm understanding Charlie 365 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: Langston's joining us from dalimail dot com that they are 366 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 3: claiming they've got a witness. 367 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 4: Now supposedly, yes, they are saying that they have a 368 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: witness who may be able to come forward and link 369 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 4: Christian B. Christian Bruckner to the crime. But I should 370 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 4: also point out that a TV special is due to 371 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 4: air in the UK in which four witnesses are understood 372 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 4: to be coming forward to corroborate an alibi for Christian B, 373 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 4: which would once again, potentially, you know, completely ruin this 374 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 4: whole case before it's even really got off the ground. 375 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 4: So it will be interesting to see what happens when 376 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 4: these four people who are named, who supposedly have no 377 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 4: connection to Christian be whatsoever, no reason to defend him, 378 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 4: come forward and cooporate whatever alibi it is that he 379 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 4: plans to offer. 380 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 3: Well, you know what, Charlie Langston, I'll just burn that 381 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: bridge when I get there, because I've had a lot 382 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: of cases where the defense claims I've got an eyewitness 383 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: to say fill in the blank, and you know what 384 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 3: I say to that b s, I'll stand on my 385 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: own witnesses, because very often I've had witnesses come on 386 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 3: for the defense. I remember one, very notably Daryl Cohen. 387 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: They came on trying to tell me he saw what 388 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 3: he saw the night of a murderer. I guess the 389 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 3: defense did not count on me going to the scene 390 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 3: and pointing out that that point of view was absolutely 391 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 3: impossible because there's a thick hedge of bushes about six 392 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: feet tall between the eyewitness and the murder. 393 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: Impossible unless he flew over the hedge and look down. 394 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 3: To see the murder. So I don't believe any eyewitness 395 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 3: until they're tested by cross examination. And as a matter 396 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 3: of fact, Darryl Cohen in the Black and White Letter 397 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: of the Law, eyewitnesses can be tested as to their vision, 398 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 3: the lighting, the distance at which they saw what they 399 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 3: claimed to have seen. I mean, it's. 400 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 2: Laid out in black and white how a so called 401 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: eyewitness can be cross examined. 402 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 3: So I'd like to get a. 403 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: Hold of those eyewitnesses myself and see what's left of 404 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: them after I finish. 405 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 9: I'd like to know what these eyewitnesses have to say. 406 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 9: I would like to be able to cross examine them. 407 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 9: I'm with you, but let's assume their testimony is impeccable. 408 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 9: It doesn't stop the police. It doesn't stop the prosecutor 409 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 9: the courts from trying this guy. And if the statue 410 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 9: of limitations is running out. I would rather have some 411 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 9: prosecutoral time incarceration than nothing at all. And if somehow 412 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 9: he does this again, we'll get him. 413 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 3: Explain what you're talking about. 414 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 9: Him and I both know. There are times we know 415 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 9: a person is guilty as a prosecutor, but we don't 416 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 9: have enough evidence, and the statute of limitations is running 417 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 9: And in our country we wouldn't have to worry about 418 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 9: a murder statue limitations. It doesn't exist, but there in 419 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 9: Portugal it apparently does. So they can arrest him, they 420 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 9: can try him and keep him incarcerated and keep the 421 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 9: case running as long as possible, and if he is acquitted, 422 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 9: so be it. But he's spent time in jail, in prison, 423 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 9: and also his name, his likeness, his face is all 424 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 9: over the media, all over the press, and that's all 425 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 9: he has to do is breathe again, and they've got 426 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 9: him for something else. Sometimes you have to get even 427 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 9: more than getting him the way you really want to. 428 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: Let me just say, officially, I don't know what you're 429 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: talking about. 430 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 3: Charlie Lane and joining us from dailymail dot com. This 431 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 3: guy is a child sex predator? What is his record? 432 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 2: Why has he been labeled already a child six predator 433 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: at the time he. 434 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 3: Was skulking around Maddy McCann's airbnb. 435 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 4: I mean this man is not just a child sex predator. 436 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 4: He I mean he was described by a woman he 437 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 4: used to be in a relationship with as a human pig. 438 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 4: He has perpetrated so many sex crimes against children, against 439 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 4: women ranging in ages from as you said, a seventy 440 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 4: two year old American citizen who he has understood to 441 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 4: have raped in Portugal in two thousand and five. Now, 442 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 4: he was not convicted of that crime until twenty nineteen. 443 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 3: He is currently. 444 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 10: Serving a jail sentence for that crime, seven year jailsen, 445 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 10: hold on, hold on, you know what, Charlie, you know 446 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 10: the fact so well listening to us like drinking from 447 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 10: the fire hydront is too much too fast. 448 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: Lets did you hear what Charlie likes and just said. 449 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: This guy, Christian Brickner, is just now serving a seven 450 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 3: year sentence on a two thousand and five rate of 451 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 3: an elderly woman in Portugal, same place is where Maddie 452 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: was stolen. That's a seven year sentence and he just 453 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 3: now has started serving it. And it started the event 454 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 3: happened in two thousand and five, So you've got that. 455 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: Then you've got him being connected to the rape of 456 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 3: an Irish tour represented in two thousand and four, exposing 457 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 3: himself to children on a playground. But there's another little 458 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 3: girl where he was near her at the time. 459 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 2: She goes to me saying, she looks so much like 460 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: Maddie what about that case? 461 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 4: So much so that she was actually nicknamed German Maddie 462 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 4: in the media. This was in twenty sixteen, and this 463 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 4: is actually the first case that made people connect Christian 464 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 4: Bruckner to the Maddie mccancakes, because the similarities between the 465 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 4: two was so astounding that it didn't seem plausible that 466 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 4: he couldn't have been connected to the Madeline mccancase. But 467 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 4: it's not until six years later that we're actually hearing 468 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 4: for the very first time that he's been named a suspect. 469 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 3: Doctor Angie, hold the thought. Hold the thought, because I 470 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: want to hear it, but I want to analyze what 471 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: you just said, Doctor Angie. 472 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: With me is renowned psychiatrist, doctor Angela Arnold. Doctor Angie, 473 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: I remember a case. You might remember it too, Darryl Cohen. 474 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: It's the case. I tried this guy's serial killer. I 475 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: got him on one and his victim will forever be 476 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 2: a Jane Doe. 477 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: She has never been identified. That's really hard to prove 478 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 3: that kind of case because you can't if you don't 479 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 3: know the victim. You don't know who they hung out with, 480 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: where they're from, who was their last boyfriend. Anyway, she's found. 481 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: Strangled, rape out in a feel long story short, I 482 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: got a bead on the purp, so I started looking 483 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: for people that knew the purp. 484 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 3: I found his girlfriend, the mother of his child, who 485 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: had kicked him out for trying to strangle her. 486 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: I found another woman he tried to strangle in the 487 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: Fulton No. She was in the Gwnette. 488 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: County jail, Daryl. 489 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: I had a reconstructionist draw the picture of what the 490 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: dead victim would have looked like in life. Guess who 491 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 2: she looked like, almost identically looked like twins his girlfriend 492 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: that had rejected him and thrown him out of the house. 493 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 3: And I put those two pictures, those two sketches, up 494 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 3: in front of the jury and argued, who would have 495 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 3: killed this woman other than the man who was rejected 496 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 3: by this woman? Did you hear what Charlie Langston just 497 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 3: said that German Maddie looks just like Maddie McCann. Doctor Angie, what. 498 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 14: About it, Nancy. The fact of the matter is, I 499 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 14: don't understand why all of this information is being ignored 500 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 14: because we have known for a very long time that, unfortunately, 501 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 14: sexual predators do not change their stripes, and they will 502 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 14: continue and continue their behavior until they are stopped, which 503 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 14: is why in the United States we have sexual predator 504 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 14: list that we put them on. Nancy. They are incapable 505 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 14: of being rehabilitated. 506 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 3: Doctor Angie. 507 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: Everything you just said is correct, but that is not 508 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: responsive to the question I asked. 509 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 3: I asked you about the physical similarities in victims. Why 510 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 3: the perpetrators do. 511 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 14: That, Because they're playing out their fantasy, whatever it is, 512 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 14: they're playing it out through another person that looks just 513 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 14: like that. It's it's it's right out there, Nancy. It's 514 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 14: it's simple. We're not looking for a zebra. They are 515 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 14: acting it out on someone who looks just like. 516 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 4: The other person. 517 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 518 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: According to reports, this mystery couple were quote alcoholics. The 519 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: wife had been drinking near the Ocean Club the night 520 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: Mattie went missing from the ocean club. The report also 521 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: claims the couple's neighbor told police she heard them arguing 522 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: loudly the day after Mattie goes missing. She heard the 523 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: husband yelling why did you bring her? Over and over 524 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: and over this according to reports, But what do we know? 525 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 2: Prosecutors have stated specifically about Christian Bruckner their number one suspect. 526 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 3: Charlie Langston. 527 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,959 Speaker 2: It has been reported that prosecutors are quote one hundred 528 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: percent sure that Christian Bruckner is the part that took Maddie. 529 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: Why now? And what do you think the evidence is? 530 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I think the evidence is all circumstantial in 531 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 4: terms of he is just a truly horrendous man who 532 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 4: has perpetrated crime after crime after crime against women and children. 533 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 4: He has a history of perpetrating crimes exactly like that 534 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 4: one in the Maddie McCann case. Now, we said earlier 535 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 4: it wasn't his mo typically to you know, murder one 536 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 4: of his victims. However, I think it's important to remember 537 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 4: the media fraw around this case was so extraordinary that 538 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 4: there would have been no way for someone to perpetrate 539 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 4: this crime and not be charged with it had she 540 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 4: returned to her parents, had she been found, had the 541 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 4: police managed to track her down in one way or another, 542 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 4: there's no way that the person who committed this crime 543 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 4: wouldn't have been found. So I think tragically, While I 544 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 4: understand how important it was to her parents to call 545 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 4: attention to this case, I think the enormous public interest 546 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 4: in it may well have sealed Maddie's death. And that, 547 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 4: to me is the most horrendous thing about this. It 548 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 4: took the police so long to begin properly investigating this 549 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 4: case that Maddie could have survived had they actually pulled 550 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 4: their thocks up and gotten on with things in the 551 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 4: you know, from the get go. 552 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying if she has still been alive, 553 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: but Greg Smith joining us a special Deputy sheriff, the 554 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: reality is when children are taking and at this age, 555 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: typically they are killed. 556 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 3: Within the first seventy six hours. 557 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy, that's I mean, that's the modus operandi 558 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 8: for young children, you know. And I don't know that 559 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 8: media attention is a bad thing, maybe a double edged sword, 560 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 8: but Kelsey's case had a heck of a lot of 561 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 8: media attention. We were on every news outlet in the 562 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 8: United States and even international, and while Kelsey didn't come 563 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 8: home alive, she came home. We found her. 564 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 3: Now I'm thinking about what you're saying, guys. 565 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: Uh, for those of you just joining us, an official 566 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: suspect has finally been named in the disappearance of a 567 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,479 Speaker 2: three year old little girl, Maddie McCann. Take a listen 568 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 2: to Hour Cut twenty eight our friend Alison Roberts. 569 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 17: Yesterday they issued a statement saying that on Wednesday an 570 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 17: individual had been named as an official suspect and that 571 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 17: was an international request from Portugal to the German authorities 572 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 17: to inform that person of interest that they have been 573 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 17: made an official suspect. Your previous into interviewees said, this 574 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 17: is always a significant step because it means effectively that 575 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 17: someone is being or will soon be questioned under caution. 576 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 3: That's the same questions maybe that. 577 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 18: Could incriminate them, which gives them the right not to answer, 578 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 18: of course, so it's actually a status to protect that individual. 579 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 18: But it is always significant as it's a necessary prelude 580 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 18: to charges at some point, although there is no sign 581 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 18: of that just yet. 582 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 3: No sign of official charges. After he has been named 583 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 3: a suspect what does that mean, Charlie. He's been named 584 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: an official suspect, so why want charges naturally follow? 585 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 4: Well, what I think is the next most obvious step 586 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 4: is that he will be extradited from Germany to Portugal, 587 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 4: and that is when charges may well be brought against him. 588 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 4: But right now I think what is going on behind 589 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 4: the scenes is that Portuguese authority is in conjunction with 590 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 4: German authorities, are scrambling to try and get as much 591 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 4: evidence as humanly possible, to try and get some witnesses 592 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,439 Speaker 4: who will come forward and at least say I saw 593 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 4: him at this place, I saw him here. I know 594 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 4: that he is a sex offender, whatever it may be. 595 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 4: And right now I think the most important thing is 596 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 4: that he has been named as a suspect again, the 597 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 4: first official suspect, which marks at least a step forward 598 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 4: in a case that has been dragging on for more 599 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 4: than a decade now. 600 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 3: Charlie, were Maddy's parents ever named official suspects? 601 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 4: Yes, they were named as official persons of interest way 602 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 4: back in two thousand and seven, and interestingly, at the 603 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 4: time they had a huge amount of public criticism aimed 604 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 4: at them. They were accused of neglect Portuguese authorities suspected 605 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 4: that Madeleine had died in a tragic accident in the 606 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 4: apartment that her parents had then tried to cover up. Now. 607 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,919 Speaker 4: They stopped being official suspects in two thousand and eight, 608 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 4: when Portuguese authorities dropped the case completely because there was 609 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 4: a lack of evidence. Ever since then, not a single 610 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 4: official suspect has been named until now. 611 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 3: Take a los to Araka twenty nine our friend Martin Bradt. 612 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 5: It's hardly been a secret. The German drifter has been 613 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 5: the main suspect in the Madeline Macan case for three 614 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 5: years or more, but now it's official. Christian b is 615 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 5: suspected of abducting and killing Madeline. German prosecutors are leading 616 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 5: the investigation but haven't charged him. The British girl was 617 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 5: three when she vanished from the family's holiday apartment in 618 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 5: Portugal in two thousand and seven. This week, the suspect 619 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 5: had visitors to the German prison where he's serving a 620 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 5: rape sentence. He was told that Portuguese prosecutors had made 621 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 5: him an arguido, a formal suspect. He was questioned for 622 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 5: the first time but refused to answer, So. 623 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 3: It's Rerllie Langston being named a formal suspect there in 624 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 3: that jurisdiction. That's the first time cops could question. 625 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 4: Him, Yes, the first time, and he remained entirely silent throughout. 626 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 4: He refused to answer a single question. But interestingly, a 627 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 4: woman that he was in a relationship with previously, she 628 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 4: came forward last week and she said that he told 629 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 4: her in twenty thirteen, I know what happened to little Maddie. 630 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 4: She also suggested that he may have been the abductor, 631 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 4: the abuser, and that he may have passed Maddie off 632 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 4: to someone else. So there are still an extraordinary number 633 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 4: of questions surrounding this case. However, the mere fact that 634 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 4: he's been named as an official suspect, I really can't 635 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 4: overstate what a key step forward that is in this case, 636 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 4: especially given that he's only the third person when you 637 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 4: look at Kate and Jerry McCann, only the third official 638 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 4: suspect to ever be named by Portuguese authorities. 639 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 3: Is justice delayed? 640 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 2: Justice denied because now we learn this unnamed British man, 641 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 2: the husband has died and we don't. 642 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 3: Know if the wife's still alive. 643 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 2: In front page reports, papers claimed police refused to cooperate 644 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 2: in the investigation of a clue that pointed to Mattie 645 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 2: McCann being run over and the possibility a couple disposed 646 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: of her body hours later in the Ocean. 647 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: Now a woman went to police to say she. 648 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 2: Suspected her brother was involved in the disappearance of Mattie McCann. 649 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 2: She said her brother was an alcoholic and since the 650 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 2: day Mattie vanished, he was hiding a painful secret. 651 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: Hmm, and now he's dead. Oh my stars. 652 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 2: Whether it's true or not, if Bruckner ever goes to trial, 653 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 2: this will be fodder for the defense. They can argue 654 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 2: he didn't do it, this couple did. The husband's not 655 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 2: alive anymore to defend himself or say anything otherwise. We 656 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 2: wait as justice un false. 657 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 11: Goodbye friend,