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Speaker 1: they're happy Monday. It is a federal holiday, President's Day,

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Speaker 1: since we've separated out when I was a hit the

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Speaker 1: very first year or two of school, I feel like

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Speaker 1: we had every state decided were they gonna get out

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Speaker 1: for Washington's birthday or for Lincoln's birthday? And then we,

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Speaker 1: of course we ended up with this President's Day. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what sort of what doesn't happen as much

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Speaker 1: with President's Day as I wish it did, and look

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Speaker 1: I've got I don't want you to think I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna go down this President's Day rabbit hole for twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: I got like a two minute riff here in President's Day,

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get in to what I have

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Speaker 1: to say. It is a Monday. I've got an interesting

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Speaker 1: of how the Trump administration is accelerating distrust in government

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Speaker 1: and the irony being the reason Trump got to the

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Speaker 1: presidency twice was playing on the fears of distrust of government.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna get to that in a bit. It's

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Speaker 1: also a Monday, which means I've got my time cast.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go into the Toddcast time cast, my Toddcast

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Speaker 1: time machine, and we're gonna go all the way back

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Speaker 1: to the eighteen forties. That's the only hint I'm going

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Speaker 1: back to the eighteen forties, an important event that took

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Speaker 1: place that is still reverberating in our politics today around

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Speaker 1: the globe. So there's two hints that I just gave

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Speaker 1: you eighteen forties and politics around the globe. All right,

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Speaker 1: no googling, see if you can figure it out. While

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Speaker 1: you're listening whatever you may be doing today, but we

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Speaker 1: kick it off it is President's Day, and it is

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Speaker 1: one of those things that I do wish there were.

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Speaker 1: I don't want the lame list where historians decide who

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Speaker 1: of times, you know, many of these rankings of presidents

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Speaker 1: are more reflective of the time we're living in, and

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Speaker 1: we apply our current times to trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: the success or failure of a given president. So I

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Speaker 1: do think we sometimes just like just like in sports debates,

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Speaker 1: to do the greatest ever win? And they literally played

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Speaker 1: two different types of games. There was no three point shot.

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Speaker 1: There was you know, literally there nobody dribbled, nobody switched

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Speaker 1: about President's Day. In this respect, we now have our

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Speaker 1: clear neither one of them is ever going to be

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Speaker 1: saying it isn't possible, but it is more likely than

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Speaker 1: However you want to do that, because part of a

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Speaker 1: successful president in our democracy is doing policies that you

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Speaker 1: not just hope historians one hundred years later say, hey,

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Speaker 1: term president. James Polk. He was the ultimate checklist president.

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Speaker 1: He promised to serve one term. He set four massive goals,

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Speaker 1: We have never had anybody like him since who actually

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Speaker 1: you if you got to, if you're looking for a

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Speaker 1: number two on my list of underrated presidents on here.

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Speaker 1: And these one termers, James Garfield, you've heard me, Lion

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Speaker 1: what if presidency, right, because in two hundred days of

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Speaker 1: then a corrupt spoils system is what it was called,

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Speaker 1: Ben But he's the patronage system, right, trying to take

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Speaker 1: the patronage out of politics. Now. Donald Trump's trying to

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Speaker 1: basically eradicate all of those changes at Garfield and then

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Speaker 1: part of Garfield and the reason it's such a what

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Speaker 1: Number three on the list George H. W. Bush an

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Speaker 1: overshadowed by Reagan. He didn't have the charisma of Ronald Reagan,

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Speaker 1: which actually created the first inklings of the Trump movement

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Speaker 1: And as you know, as Israel solidifies itself more and

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Speaker 1: course Trump's trying to undo, and his focus on renewable energy,

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Speaker 1: yes the country wasn't ready, yes, not there, and using

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Speaker 1: Some of it is going to depend on whether you know,

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Speaker 1: neither put it this way. Both will never be seen

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Speaker 1: as consequential one hundred years from now. Right either Trump's

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Speaker 1: a functioning system. It continues to be government by hostage situation.

429
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Speaker 1: I understand this is what either party has is leverage.

430
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Speaker 1: You take whatever leverage you can get. But the fact

431
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Speaker 1: that we're using people's lives as leverage, livelihoods who are

432
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: in charge of people's lives i e. T SA agents

433
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: is kind of ridiculous. And what do we do. We're

434
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: hitting the wrong people first, right, We're punishing TSA agents

435
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: and travelers for the init for essentially a poorly run

436
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: Department of Homeland Security. Politically scared Republicans who know real

437
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: reforms are necessary, and a White House that doesn't want

438
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Speaker 1: to give an inch because of the politics of this thing.

439
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: So sadly we built the system where the only way

440
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: Washington can create urgency is by inconveniencing the public. And look,

441
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: this is how this partial shutdown will end. We know,

442
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: we got about two weeks because they're going to get paid,

443
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: and when they miss that first paycheck, perhaps that will

444
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: start to motivate people to do this. And I think it, honestly,

445
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: it's a you know, there are two things that I

446
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: wonder here, and I'll get to this a minute, but

447
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: it is we're you know, we know that this is

448
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: what will trigger the negotiations. But I have to say

449
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: the fact that if you look at the democratic demands

450
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Speaker 1: right unmasking agents, there is not a single good argument

451
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Speaker 1: for masking these agents. And I know it says, well,

452
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: we're trying to protect them from being docksed. Well, you know,

453
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: if you do your job within the constitutional norms, then

454
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: you won't worry about being docksed. If you're an agent,

455
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: an ice agent that is going to break the law

456
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Speaker 1: or go or blur the line between what's legal and

457
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Speaker 1: not legal. I understand why you want to protect your identity,

458
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Speaker 1: But that shouldn't be no excuse. The body camera shouldn't

459
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Speaker 1: be decided by DHS when they get to turn them

460
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: on or off, which is apparently what they want to do.

461
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: So this is a case where the demands being asked

462
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: here are not crazy, and anybody who considers themselves a

463
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Speaker 1: libertarian and a believer in the Bill of Rights should

464
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Speaker 1: be able to stand up for these quite easily. It's

465
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Speaker 1: not very difficult, and it it just it's it's this

466
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: is again. You're you're trying to restore trust in these agencies,

467
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: and the fact that the Trump administration does not want

468
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Speaker 1: to restore trust right is pushing back on some of

469
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: these things is a problem. But here we are, and

470
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Speaker 1: and I think it's it's you know about the only

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Speaker 1: way that I think the Trump administration could buy more

472
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Speaker 1: time without having to make huge changes is to fire

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Speaker 1: Nome tomorrow. I just don't know, you know, Trump seems

474
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Speaker 1: to be very hesitant and nervous about having an unemployed

475
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Speaker 1: Christinome and an unemployed Corey Lewandowski. And you can read

476
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: all about them in that Corey easy We'll see Turtle

477
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: story about just how the two of them are sort

478
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: of treating DHS like it's their personal their personal plaything.

479
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: But I understand that's why Trump has decided he fired

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00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: too many people that became sources for disgruntled sources for

481
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Speaker 1: the press, and he doesn't want to create that in

482
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: the old LBJA, do you want people pissing into your

483
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: tent or do you want people in your tent pissing

484
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: outside the tent? And I think that that is clearly

485
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: where Trump wants to go. But this whole thing we

486
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: know this is this is a ridiculous standoff. And here's

487
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: the problem. When government behaves like this way, people will

488
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: then start treating the government like a joke. And when

489
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: people treat government like a joke, they stop following instructions,

490
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: they stop believing its warnings, they stop cooperating. And that

491
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: brings me to the pattern that's been screaming at me

492
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Speaker 1: across multiple stories this week. The government says X, and

493
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: we file and I find out later that why happened.

494
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: We have yet another incident with ice in Minneapolis, where

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Speaker 1: they tell a story now and they fix it later.

496
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: And that culture of tell a story now, fix it

497
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: later culture is all over it, right, And this may

498
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: be one of the perfect microcosms of the trust problem

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Speaker 1: we have with government in this current moment. The immediate

500
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Speaker 1: impulse to tell the most self justifying story possible is

501
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: clearly how Christy Nome operates and how Stephen Miller operates,

502
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: and they try to tell the story as fast as possible.

503
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: Only later, when there's video or a judge or a

504
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: prosecutor involved, does government start walking back whatever it is

505
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: they were spinning early on. So in Minneapolis, the public

506
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: got a narrative, an official narrative, right away, then it shifted,

507
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: Then prosecutors moved to dismiss it. Then DHS had to

508
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Speaker 1: acknowledge that accounts didn't match evidence. Then agents were put

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Speaker 1: on leave, and let's not skape past the most corrosive

510
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: part of this. When law enforcement leads with a narrative

511
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: that demonizes the person who got shot. I'm not even

512
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: talk about the dead. This is the gentleman that got

513
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: shot in the leg, and then the narrative collapses. It

514
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: justn't just hurts that one case. It teaches the public

515
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: to assume the first version that DHS tells you is propaganda.

516
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: And it's pretty clear right now, Christine no, whatever she says, first,

517
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: you cannot believe even if she's telling you the truth,

518
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: you have no idea whether it's the truth, because she

519
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: consistently gaslights the American public. So when the first draft

520
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: of the government story is always self exoneration, eventually people

521
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: will stop believing any draft of the story, any part

522
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: of it. It'll always assume to be there's more than

523
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: what they're admitting. And there's no doubt when things are

524
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: chaotic and the moment information changes, and sometimes what they

525
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: truly thought happened wasn't what it was. But you have

526
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: no benefit of the doubt anymore. With us. You have

527
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: lied too many times, Christine Home, you have lied too

528
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: many times. Steven Miller, You've lied too many times to

529
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: the public about these narratives involving migrants, involving immigrants, involving

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00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: these ice raids, and so there is zero credit. But

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00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: this is why large majorities now, this is why the president,

532
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: who at one time was right side up on his

533
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: management of immigration, is now upside now. And even on

534
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: the border itself, he's barely seen as doing a good

535
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: job there simply because of how poor and how much

536
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: they have lied about their ice operations. The pattern is

537
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: what matters here. And the pattern right now is defend first,

538
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: verified later, if you ever have to verify at all.

539
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: And it's the pattern we're seeing again this week, including

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Speaker 1: in the skies the al Paso incident. Right, I'm sure

541
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Speaker 1: you woke up the other morning and you're like, what

542
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: the hell's going on in El Paso? And are we

543
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: about to are? I tell you my fear were about

544
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: to start a war with Mexico. We've got about the

545
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: bomb car tells like, why else would you shut down

546
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: the airspace for ten days around al Paso? Right? So

547
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: what happened, Well, what we have is a case study

548
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: and why the public dis us institutions. So we have

549
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: this major extraordinary action that it impacts thousands of people,

550
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: followed by contradictory explanations as to why it happened, followed

551
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: by reporting that suggests the real story is a breakdown

552
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: in inneragency procedure that the government is yet to come

553
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: go public with. In other words, the process failed and

554
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: then the messaging got weird. So the reporting around this

555
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: story is one big takeaway. This wasn't just about one incident.

556
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: It was about whether the Pentagon and the Department of

557
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: Homeland security could move forward with technology without having to

558
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: get signed off from the FAA. And whether the FAA

559
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: felt forced to pull the emergency brake because it was

560
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: clear to them that the Pentagon and DHS were lying

561
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: to them. Right, So now you have government agencies can't

562
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: trust other government agencies. And the FAA is one of

563
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: those semi non political agencies, right that are dealing where

564
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: they know they're dealing with political appointees who are all

565
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: about politics first. And here's the bigger deal here and

566
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: why we want our FAA not to be politicized. If

567
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: you want people to fly and trust flying, you need confidence.

568
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: You can't have spin. And this is not happening in

569
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: a vacuum. Because we also earlier this week got the

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Speaker 1: official NTSB report on that twenty twenty five National Airport

571
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: collision where sixty seven people were killed, and to me,

572
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: it's raised major questions about the military and civilian aviation coordination.

573
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: If this wasn't the US Army causing the crash, there'd

574
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: be a lot more a lot more accountability here, Right.

575
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: The US Army clearly was in the fault here, and

576
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: they and their decision to even do these training flights

577
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of a major airport put lives in danger,

578
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: and there should be real accountability, and there's going to

579
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: be not. But so when the public sees another episode

580
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: that looks like rules for the carve outs, for me,

581
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: it's going to confirm the following fear that there is

582
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: a national security exception to a anuntability. Apparently safety is

583
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: supposed to be born. When safety becomes political, people will

584
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: get hurt. Just remember that. Now take that exact same

585
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: theme process, the bypass expertise, sideline standard shifting late, and

586
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: you move it from planes to public health, and I

587
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: want to tell you the story about the FDA and Maderna,

588
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: regulatory uncertainty and national self harm. Maderna says the FDA

589
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: refused even to review it's mRNA based flu vaccine application,

590
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: what was called as a refuse to file. Now, whatever

591
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: you think about MODERNA, whatever you think about mRNA, here's

592
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: what does matter. Innovation depends on predictable rules. You can

593
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: say no, you can demand more data, you can even

594
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: reject something. But when the complaint is that the standard

595
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: changed late, the process got bent, and career staff got overridden,

596
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: you're not just deciding one vaccine, you're telling one of

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00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: the most serious sign scientific investors in the world that

598
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: there is no longer a stable country to build in.

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00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: Here in the United States, you cannot trust the Department

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00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: of Health to do the right thing. Regulatory uncertainty is

601
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: a hidden tax on national competence, and competence like trust

602
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: is a resource, once you drain it, you don't refill

603
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: it with a press release. And what's scary when you

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00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: read the story about the mRNA vaccine right they were

605
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: actually working with the FDA making sure that the essentially

606
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: with every little step of the process, that the FDA

607
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: was comfortable with what they were doing. And then out

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00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: of nowhere, because Kennedy has his crackpot theories, he has

609
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: no scientific evidence to back up his beliefs about mRNA

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Speaker 1: vaccines other than his crackpot theories. Okay, with a brain

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00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: that probably was drug addled by heroin for a decade.

612
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I think this guy is

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00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: mentally unfit to serve in any office in the federal government.

614
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: And instead he's in one of the most important offices

615
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: that have to impact my public, our health, all of

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00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: our health. And we see what his leadership has done.

617
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: We have people dying from the measles. We have a

618
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: pregnant woman who killed their child drinking raw milk. And

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to know that Kennedy was swimming in a

620
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: polluted Potomac River. And now we found out that there's

621
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: like more sewage leaking into the Potomac River. But man,

622
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: what they are doing to maderna and mrina vaccines. Look,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's bad business, it's bad for our health.

624
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: But I guess Europeans and the rest of the world

625
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: will will get scientific advances while we get to be

626
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: in the dark ages here thanks to Kennedy and his leadership.

627
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: But again, you cannot trust the government. We can't trust

628
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: the government to tell us the truth about air air accidents.

629
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Speaker 1: We can't trust the government to tell us the truth

630
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: about immigration enforcement. We can't trust the government, this government

631
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: in particular, about the truth when it comes to health.

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00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: I got one more to throw in here. What we're

633
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: seeing now that this is a pay to play administration.

634
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: We had another example the removal, departure, resignation, firing of

635
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: Gail Slater as the Department of Justice's Anti trust chief

636
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: reads like another example of what actually has leverage in

637
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: this administration. When powerful interests complain, when big players make

638
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: money who want a deal. When allies feud, people become

639
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: the collateral damage. Gail Slater was getting in the way

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00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: of some big business deals, and they went right to

641
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: the Trump administration, and Trump administration agreed that she was

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Speaker 1: Where am I going? Eighteen forties that reverberates today? Well,

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Speaker 1: this week takes us to February twenty first, eighteen forty eight.

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Speaker 1: It's the day that a short political pamphlet was published

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Speaker 1: in London. Its title The Communist Manifesto. The authors Karl

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Speaker 1: Marx and Frederick Ingels. It was barely fifty pages. It

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Speaker 1: So let's start. Why was eighteen forty eight and explosive

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Speaker 1: era or a year in world politics? The manifest still

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Speaker 1: lands at a remarkable moment Europe in eighteen forty eight

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Speaker 1: was convulsive. Industrialization was accelerating, steam power, railroads, factories, mass

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Speaker 1: migration from the countryside to the cities in search of work.

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Speaker 1: Traditional political systems at the time were the monarchies and

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Speaker 1: the aristocracies, and they were colliding with these modern economic

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Speaker 1: forces that were developing. Within days of this pamphlet's publication,

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Speaker 1: revolutions erupt across Europe. Timing year matters. Marx and Engles

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Speaker 1: weren't fantasizing about the upheaval. They were observing instability that

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Speaker 1: was already underway. And that's how I want people to

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Speaker 1: read this Manifesto and understand it. Their argument wasn't that

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Speaker 1: capitalism was weak. It was that capitalism was so powerful

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Speaker 1: and transformative that it would destabilize everything around it. Now

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Speaker 1: and more like a strange admiration. Marx writes that the bourgeoisie,

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Speaker 1: terrible to people. By the way, in globalized markets, which

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Speaker 1: That's not the language of simple hostility, and that's what

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Speaker 1: at least absorb the observation that Marx and Ingles were making.

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Speaker 1: They were making an analytical argument. Capitalism, in Marxist telling,

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Speaker 1: Capitalism unchecked can be destabilizing. Now, Marx had one idea,

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Speaker 1: but I think we've all sort of agreed that there's

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Speaker 1: But it is destabilizing, and it was at the time,

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Speaker 1: It produces cycles of boom and bust, creative destruction, creates

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Speaker 1: inequality faster in political institutions struggle to adjust to the speed.

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Speaker 1: So here's a deeper question. If this pamphlet weren't titled

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Speaker 1: the Instability of Industrial Capitalism, how would we read it?

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Speaker 1: You might interpret it? Much of it is simply a

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Speaker 1: that rapid economic transformation produces social fracture, a warning that

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Speaker 1: unregulated market forces can create backlash, all true by the

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Speaker 1: way we've experienced it in this country. A warning that

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Speaker 1: growth without guardrails destabilizes democracies. But Marx does go further

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Speaker 1: instead predicts inevitability. He argues that capitalism's internal contradictions will

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Speaker 1: eventually destroy it and that reform cannot save it. And

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Speaker 1: this is where it shifts from structural critique to becoming

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Speaker 1: what it was used for for hundreds of years, revolutionary doctrine. Now,

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Speaker 1: the book does end with the rallying cry Workers of

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Speaker 1: to fire people up. And here's the irony. Most of

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Speaker 1: the pamphlet is theory, and history simply remembers that slogan. Now,

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Speaker 1: how did it get misused, Because like everything in history,

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Speaker 1: of part. The Manifesto was written in eighteen forty eight.

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Speaker 1: The regimes most people associate with Communism under leaders like

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Speaker 1: century later. And those regimes were one party states. They

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Speaker 1: brutally repressive. Now, in the Manifesto itself, there's no blueprint

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Speaker 1: what Stalin or Mao did with his manifesto. So now

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Speaker 1: authoritarian leaders, in order to grab power, need three things.

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Speaker 1: A moral narrative gave him one, a villain bankers, capitalists,

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Speaker 1: a compelling villain the elite, the bourgeois. He provides a

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Speaker 1: on American politics, trust me. And he provided emotionally powerful language.

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Speaker 1: Workers of the World United. And what later leaders did

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Speaker 1: politics becomes moral absolutism, that's when the institution's weaken. And

853
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: once institution's weaken, ideology becomes cover for control. It's important

854
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: we got to be honest about this. Marx does advocate

855
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: abolition of private ownership of the means of production, and

856
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: he does call for revolutionary transformation. That language lends itself

857
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: to radical application, but it does not logically require personality

858
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: cults and mass purges and secret police states. He was

859
00:50:51,400 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: simply talking about economics. But those other derivatives were choices

860
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: made by dictators operating in volatile environments civil war, foreign intervention,

861
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: economic collapse. And they discovered that if you simplified ideology

862
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: into moral purity and made it it made it easier

863
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: to consolidate power. Right, you could either use Marx or

864
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: you can use a religious text. But we've seen the

865
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: pattern here. Nationalism gets weaponized, religious text gets weaponized, Marxism

866
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: gets weaponized. Liberal democracy has been weaponized. Right, complex ideas

867
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: get flattened into slogans, slogan's mobilized masses. Mass mobilization, then

868
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: does what centralizes power? Power seeks permanence. Marx didn't invent

869
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: the pattern. He was simply folded into it. So Marx

870
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: did no predict revolution what happened in advanced industrial democracies. Instead,

871
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: that isn't where these revolutions happened. These communist revolutions took

872
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: hold in essentially the losers in industrialization, the places that

873
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 1: were behind the industrial lead of the world Sarist Russia, MAOIs, China,

874
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: some of these postcolonial states. Right, the mismatch does matter.

875
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: His theory assumed capitalism would mature fully before collapse. Well,

876
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: that isn't what happened here. And if anything, his manifesto

877
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: was used as a way almost to prevent the good

878
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: side of capitalism from encroaching into Russia, China and some

879
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: of these post colonial countries and instead said you have

880
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: to fear this, so let's fight it before it gets here.

881
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: So today the communist manifesto gets invoked in American politics

882
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: in two equally inaccurate ways. On the left it sometimes

883
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: romanticized as a moral call for fairness, and on the

884
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: right it's treated as the origin story for every authoritarian

885
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: regime of the twentieth century. And both of those stereotypes

886
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: flatten then right. The deeper truth is as always, very

887
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: very much less tidy. The Manifesto identified a recurring tension

888
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: in modern societies. Economic dynamism creates indisability. Wealth concentration creates

889
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: backlash political systems like behind technological change. You don't have

890
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: to endorse Marx's conclusions to recognize that his diagnosis still resonates.

891
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: His diagnosis is spot on. His conclusions were way too radical.

892
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: The question, though he posed in eighteen forty eight, still

893
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: echoes and echoes quite a bit today. Can capitalism regulate itself?

894
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: Or must politics restrain it to preserve stability? I think

895
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: there is a collective other than a handful of maniacs

896
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: and Silicon Valley. I think most of us agree that

897
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: capitalism needs some guardrails. It does not regulate itself. Sorry,

898
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: iron Marx answered that reform would fail. Modern democracies have

899
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: tried another route, regulation, labor law, social insurance anti trust.

900
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: You know, we have fits and starts, it works and

901
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: then it doesn't. Now it doesn't help that none of

902
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: this is working right now because we have a government

903
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: that does not have the trust of the public. So

904
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: you need public trust in order to successfully regulate and

905
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: to enforce labor law, and to make that social insurance

906
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: seem nonpartisan instead of partisans. But either way, the pamphlet

907
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: refuses to die because the diagnosis is very familiar. It

908
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: wasn't just an attack on capitalism. It was a warning

909
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: about what happens when economic systems transform faster than how

910
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: politics can respond. Kind of seems familiar today, doesn't it.

911
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: This is why the way we're going about AI is

912
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: going to push people in more radical places, just like

913
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: it pushed people into radical Marxism belief in some parts

914
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: of Marxism when actually we're not listening to the first part,

915
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: the analytical part, where we need some guardrails, we need

916
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: some regulation. You can't trust the private sector to do

917
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: this on their own. What we're doing with AI is

918
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: playing with nuclear fire, essentially nuclear powered fire, if there

919
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: is such thing. All right, there's your history lessons. Let's

920
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: go to some questions, ask Chuck A little last Chuck,

921
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: Here we go. First question comes from a huge University

922
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: of Michigan fan, so we'll go there. Hey, Chuck, thanks

923
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: for reading this, love the podcast, and I've been a

924
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: fan since your Daily Rundown Day circa twenty ten. Well man,

925
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: you go way back. Thank you. Anyway, My question is

926
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: on the economic numbers we get from this administration. Does

927
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: something seem a little wonky to you? The same month

928
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: ADP tells us life at their highest level since twenty

929
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: oh nine, we get a Job's report claiming that the

930
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: job creation is on the upswing. Then we get a

931
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: CPI report claiming that inflation has follow unto two point

932
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: four percent. But every time you go to grocery shopping

933
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: you get sticker shock from something new, but the only

934
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: one who's not buying it. Is it possible someone is

935
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: cooking the numbers to make Trump look better? After all,

936
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: he fired the woman who used to compile the jobs

937
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: report because he didn't like the numbers she was putting out.

938
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, Phil and Roger City Michigan, big

939
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: fan of the other. You of M Go Blue, Yes

940
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: it is you. I have learned this. You of M

941
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: is Michigan. You m of course is Miami. Look. Welcome

942
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: to what happens when a government doesn't tell you the

943
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: truth in all of these other places, right, the government

944
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: misleads you on your health, The government misleads you on

945
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: airline safety, the government misleads you on immigration enforcement. So

946
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: of course you're not going to believe the numbers. You know,

947
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of do you believe you're lying?

948
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: And eyes right, people experience at the end of the day.

949
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: It's why now the polling is going to matter here

950
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more and hearing you know, you know,

951
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: people the public will tell us whether they feel as

952
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: if this economy is getting better. Look, it was a

953
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: shocking jobs report considering everything else that went into it.

954
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: It's It's also one of the things I've learned is

955
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: be careful of judging one one report. A lot of

956
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: times you'll have an outlier and then later, I mean,

957
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: it was it seemed you know. Now, the reason the

958
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: report is believable to me is where all the job

959
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: gains came from. They came from the only part of

960
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: the economy that's growing, home health care. Why is it

961
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: growing because we're all living longer and we need more

962
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: home health care aids and why are these jobs, why

963
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: there's so many job openings for them, because of what

964
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: we're done with immigration enforcement. A lot of first gen,

965
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: first generation Americans that come here as adults, that's the

966
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: that's the the easiest first job they can that is

967
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: consistent that they can get their hands on. But I

968
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: understand why you don't believe them, because they've given you

969
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: no reason to believe them. Right. This is a government

970
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: that has gone out of its way to miss to

971
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: mislabel things, to so distrust, to lead with narratives before

972
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: the facts come out, as we've learned time and again

973
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: at DHS, time and again at the Department of Health

974
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: and Human Services. You brought up, So the answer is,

975
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: I have nothing to tell you other than like I said,

976
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: there are some things in the job report that do

977
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: fit the facts and the growth of home health care

978
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: aids and the fact that that job number goes up

979
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: as immigration reinforcement because a lot of those jobs perhaps

980
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: we're off the books, and now they're less off the

981
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: books than they were, so that it is possible that

982
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: explains why there is a specific surge in one category

983
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: but nowhere else. As for inflation coming down. In fairness,

984
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: it has been, you know, the question is whether it

985
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: will stay that way or whether this is just a

986
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: quick dip. And then, of course, when if Trump gets

987
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: his way with a new FED share that does lower

988
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: interest rates, an he's still enforcing these tariffs plus the

989
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: tax refunds, Well, we have too much money in the economy,

990
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: which then launches inflation again. So I think it continues

991
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: to be an unsteady economy. And you have every the

992
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: government has given you no reason to believe everything they're

993
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: putting out, So I understand your skepticism, but I also

994
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: think we'll just, you know, let's take a look at

995
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: the next report. In some fairness to the BLS, right,

996
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: we had the government shutdown which caused sort of so this,

997
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, this could also be a catchup as well,

998
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: and then we'll see what happens over the next couple

999
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: of months. Okay, next question comes from Mike from South Florida,

1000
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: and he knows why whenever I see the word south

1001
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: Florida means you're not from Miami, and he goes, yes,

1002
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm from Broward County. Thank you, Mike for your transparency

1003
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: there about your South Florida ties Gate as a label

1004
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: for scandals feels tired, and I wonder if it's time

1005
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: for something punchier to cut through the noise. I half

1006
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: jokingly suggest calling Eric Hunter Trump, I see what you're

1007
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: doing there and dubbing the situation the United States of

1008
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: Emirates to mirror the viral style of modern conspiracy framing.

1009
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: That said, I appreciate they do avoid clickbait and focus

1010
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: on substance. That's exactly why I tuned in, Mike. I

1011
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: appreciate it. You know. One of my favorite when I

1012
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: was at the Hotline, which was back in the nineties,

1013
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: what made us sort of gave us a little cult

1014
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: following in DC is that we always tried to have

1015
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: humor all the time. We knew we were writing for

1016
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: a professional audience, so we could we could bring humor

1017
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: situations that maybe in another place or on social media

1018
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: would come across as bad taste to some. But one

1019
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: of my favorite headlines that we ran once it wasn't mine.

1020
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: I think it was my friend Steve Villefort, who was

1021
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: probably the funniest guy we ever had in Hotline and

1022
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: in one of the smartest editors we ever had as well.

1023
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: I think it was one of these travel gates or

1024
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: you know something that we were given the gate to it, right,

1025
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: and the headline ones I'll take ends in gate for

1026
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: a thousand alecks where we were trying to mock this issue. Look,

1027
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: it's there's nothing says intellectual laziness by a headline writer

1028
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: than just giving the gate to something. Look, for a generation,

1029
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,479
Speaker 1: it made sense, right, Watergate was huge, So you did

1030
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: you know the gate thing was? You know, this is

1031
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: like Watergate or this or that? Right. I think now

1032
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: that we're now past fifty years of it, you know,

1033
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's about time we can do better.

1034
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: And I appreciate your your efforts here, Eric Hunter Trump.

1035
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: It's I think it works better with Donald junior, Donald

1036
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: Hunter Trump Junior because he is actually a hunter, right,

1037
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: so then you can you know he likes to do

1038
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: the big game, Honey, I don't know. And U S

1039
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: E U S E. I could see that, right, And

1040
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: what is U S E U S C. What else

1041
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: does that's? What? What? What? What acronym would that turn

1042
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: into for the United States of Emirates? Oh? Use? And

1043
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: what are other countries and rich people doing with the

1044
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: United States? They're using our government anyway, fun one, Mike, Thanks.

1045
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Shane Parts unknown, and he said, Hey,

1046
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: I just listened to your double top five about the

1047
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: formally lawful yet unusual practices of the past and the

1048
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: amendments that should be in our near future. However, I

1049
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: think there should be an honorable mention. With yet another

1050
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: government shut down nearing, should there be an amendment or

1051
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: whatever is applicable in this situation that make the salaries

1052
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: of the House and Senate members first on the chopping block.

1053
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: Rather than shuttering services utilized by citizens, furloughing folks that

1054
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: live paycheck to paycheck, and forcing others to continue to

1055
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: work without immediate compensation, we could withhold their bi weekly

1056
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: payroll three point five million, if my math is correct,

1057
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty five members at undred and fifty

1058
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: dollars each. While this probably barely scratches the surface of

1059
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: the cost, maybe it would better influence them to work

1060
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: around the clock to resolve the matters at hand. After all,

1061
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: they are the governmental employees that are not satisfying the

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Speaker 1: criteria of which they are were elected. I appreciate their

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Speaker 1: salary hasn't been increased in nearly twenty years, but they

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Speaker 1: are still making about double the national average. Thoughts on

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01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: intended consequences with this modification, You know you've had some

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Speaker 1: do this. Look, I do think we need to compensate

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Speaker 1: elected officials better because you don't want you don't want

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Speaker 1: it to only being wealthy people like I think where

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01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: we really sort of screw the pooch is on state legislatures,

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01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: where some of them, these part time legislatures are just

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Speaker 1: basically paid, paid a stipend. And what to me that

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Speaker 1: opens them up to is fraud, right, which is somebody

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01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: who's who really wants a law pass is going to

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01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: tempt you with all sorts of financial opportunity. And since

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Speaker 1: the government itself isn't giving you hardly any compensation, you

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01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: might be more you know, dare to do it. Like,

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Speaker 1: let me put it in another way. Imagine if we

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Speaker 1: had college basketball referees that weren't paid for. Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: we do have this, right, what would their incentive be

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01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: if some big gambler came to you with a big

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01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: proposal for anyway? You see my point? Right, When you

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01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: don't pay people enough, you potentially incentivize corruptibility. Right, Not

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01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: everybody starts as corrupt but sadly, we're human beings, and

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01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: everybody has a price eventually, and everybody has a circumstance

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Speaker 1: where suddenly they have a price. So, you know, everybody

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Speaker 1: who thinks that they're morally perfect, I would digress. I

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01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: think the fact that members of Congress are getting paid

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01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: and the staff is getting you know, that's what you do.

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01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I would throw staff in there too.

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01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: And you say it's not fair, Well, they're political staff.

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01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: They know what they're signing up for, and they're advising

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Speaker 1: these members of Congress. So if you did that, and

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01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: I think you know they're there, I I endorse it

1094
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. I mean, these TSA agents, what

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01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: we're doing in them, you know, you know the unintended

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01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: here's your unintended consequence with what we keep doing to

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01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: TSA agents. Why is that a safe job anymore? Who's

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01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: gonna want to like suddenly you've got to it? At best,

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01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: you better hope you have a spouse who has a

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01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: steady your paycheck. It's so, I I uh, it's certainly

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01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: logical to me. I go back to it. Should we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be allowed to it? Shouldn't This isn't the way

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01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: we should shut government down, right, There's got to be

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01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: another way to resolve this, but simply stopping a functionality

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01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: of government that has already been agreed to for this

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01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: fiscal year, because usually we're arguing about the next fiscal

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01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: year seems to be seems to be problematic. But look,

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01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: it's until we come up with them better. You know,

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Speaker 1: everything is a bad incentives. If you have good incentives,

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Speaker 1: you'll get good outcomes. If you have bad incentives, you'll

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01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: get bad outcomes. And right now we have bad incentives

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the operation of government. Next question

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01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: comes from Jack Why and he writes, Hey, I absolutely

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Speaker 1: wish I could spend an hour a day listening to

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01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: Rama Manuel. That guy is so smart and would be

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01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: a great leader for the country. You're interview with him

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01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: made me so nostalgic for the Obama years, when the

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01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: intellect of the administration did not require affirmation, it was

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01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: simply understood. The true leadership that is demonstrated with their

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01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: humble and educated approach to governing with a focus on

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01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: the Amir people is something we should all be pining for.

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01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: I know, I am It is good in my opinion

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Speaker 1: that he is flying under the radar. Thanks for having

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01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: him on your podcast. Listening to him as time well spent.

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Speaker 1: I was nodding in agreement so often that I got

1126
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: a crick in my neck. Love the podcast and substack

1127
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: way more than the corporate media shackles you were once

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Speaker 1: died to. Independent news and political media is far superior.

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Speaker 1: Le Chezer. If you know, you know best regards Jack, Why,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And look, you know it's funny. It's

1131
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: like I sit here, I've got a ton of positive

1132
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: feedback about Rom from people that didn't know they were

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01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: going to have positive feedback about Rom. I think I

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Speaker 1: think it is Look, I've known this version of Ram

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Speaker 1: a long time. But at the same time, I also

1136
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: think this is why experience counts. I think there was

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Speaker 1: a time in Ram's political life that he was a

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01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: little too quick with a belief or a or a

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01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: proclamation or an answer. But his instincts have always been

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01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: sort of ultimately public for and you know, you know

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01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: it is so I look at Rom. I think he

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01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: is speaking to the problems that I hope more candidates

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Speaker 1: speak to. And I'm also equally skeptical that, unfortunately, in

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01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: this anti establishment mood, that both parties are in He

1145
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: probably has too many ties to quote establishment figures to

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01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: break through. But I hope people are paying attention to

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01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: what he's saying because he's he is. I feel like

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Speaker 1: he's actually trying to respond to what the voters have

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01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: been screaming about for the last twenty years. All right,

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Speaker 1: next question, we'll make this the last one today. Number

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Speaker 1: five here on the list stuff. I've gone deep with

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Speaker 1: you today it's a holiday. We'll go number five here

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01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: and he goes Hey. Most listeners are familiar with discussion

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Speaker 1: on Trump presidential impeachments, as we experienced a pair of

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Speaker 1: those in President forty five's term. How about the likes

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Speaker 1: of RFK Junior and Pam Bondi? What is the criteria

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01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: for impeachment of these cabinet members? Thanks, Chuck? Who is

1158
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: your favorite football baseball players as a kid? By the way,

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01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: Jim from Tobahana, Pennsylvania, Well, let me get it. Look,

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01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: the impeachment is the same thing. I mean, you can

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Speaker 1: impeach Ali Mayorcus was impeached by the Republican House. And

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Speaker 1: one of the reminders is what's an impeachable offense? Whatever

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Speaker 1: A majority of the House of representatives decides it is.

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Speaker 1: They are essentially a grand jury here. If they bring

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01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: them articles of impeachment and a majority approve them, then

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01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: they then said official has been indicted, all right, and

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Speaker 1: then the Senate has to do a trial. And we

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Speaker 1: you know, there's multiple Senate trials have taken place over

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Speaker 1: the years for judges and for other things. But usually

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Speaker 1: at a cabinet secretary when it reaches impeachment stage, usually

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Speaker 1: that cabinet secretary is more likely to resign. In the

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Speaker 1: may Orci's case, it didn't because the Senate I think

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Speaker 1: was controlled by you know, there was enough control by

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Speaker 1: the Democrats where they could just refuse a trial or

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Speaker 1: just sort of do a quick trial, you know type

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Speaker 1: of thing. And I think at the time the Democrats

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Speaker 1: control the floor and they can make that easy. So so

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Speaker 1: ultimately it's the same, but it would take a majority

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Speaker 1: in this case, right you have a Republican House. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe you'd have impeachment discharge petitions and you

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01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 1: could get a couple on bondy at this point, but

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Speaker 1: if you got there, she probably resigns before they go

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Speaker 1: through the trial itself. So that's usually why with political

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Speaker 1: appointees like that. You know, we've had the occasional federal

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Speaker 1: judge impeachment trial. You know, even a conviction. I believe

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Speaker 1: Alsie Hastings later would become a member of Congress. I

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01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: believe it was you know, lost his judge ship during

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Speaker 1: an impeachment process. So there's no the criteria is no different.

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Speaker 1: It's just usually it never happens with a cabinet secretary

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Speaker 1: because by the time you get to the point where

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01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: the House can can pass articles of impeachment on a

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01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: cabinet secretary, a normal acting president listens to the public

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Speaker 1: and decides to call for the resignation and move on.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, this gets it something here with

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Speaker 1: Nome or Bondi or RFK Junior, but really Noman Bondi.

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Speaker 1: Let's say either one of them are fired or resigned,

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Speaker 1: he will appoint an acting and how long will he

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Speaker 1: stick to the acting? Just something to keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that's something everybody wants to have.

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Speaker 1: You were asking who was my favorite football baseball players

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Speaker 1: as a kid, Well, number one my favorite baseball player

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01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,799
Speaker 1: Steve Garvey, and my parents encouraged it until they didn't,

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01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: meaning like Steve Garvey was my favorite. You know, starting

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01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: in linked nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine eighty, I collected

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Speaker 1: every one of his baseball cards. That was the first

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Speaker 1: big collection I did, is I wanted every year every

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Speaker 1: card ever produced of there from and I even like

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01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: included OPG, which was the Canadian version of TOPS. They

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Speaker 1: basically used whatever the TOPS design was and then smacked

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Speaker 1: it with the OPG label in the back. I think

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Speaker 1: that's how they're really ship with TOPS must have worked.

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Speaker 1: So it was some sort of design licensing agreement or something.

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Speaker 1: And it was the first time I ever spent one

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars on any card ever. Was for Garvey's rookie.

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Speaker 1: So Steve Garvey was my favorite, my favorite baseball player.

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Speaker 1: On the football front, you know, it was my dad

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01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: made me a Packer fan. I always say made me

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Speaker 1: a Packer fan. It's like I just didn't really have

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Speaker 1: a choice right very early, like two of the first

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Speaker 1: football books I ever read, one was Run to Daylight

1221
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Speaker 1: by Vince Labardine. In the other Wood was Instant Replayed

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01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: by Jerry Kramer and Dick Shapp. So I was definitely

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Speaker 1: brainwashed correctly when it came to the Packers lore and

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Speaker 1: all of that, by the way, going to Garvey, and

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Speaker 1: I know I sort of left out the Garvey part,

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Speaker 1: you know, when Garvey became a punchline like I'll I

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01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: think it was a Johnny Carson joke, and I remember

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Speaker 1: being so crestfallen. It was a hank of Steve Garvey's

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Speaker 1: your dad. You know. There was all this talk about

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Speaker 1: Garvey and you know, he cheated on Cindy Garvey, beloved

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01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: Cindy Garvey, who was I think a co host of

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Speaker 1: a TV show called That's Incredible with a guy named

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Speaker 1: John Davidson, if I have that correct, and That's Incredible.

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Speaker 1: It was just basically reality shows before we knew what

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Speaker 1: reality shows were. It was like crazy things people now

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01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: we now they call it America's Got Talent or all

1237
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 1: sorts of you know stuff. But back then we didn't

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: call him reality shows. We called him you know. They

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01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 1: were kind of magazine shows meets goofy viral moments, and

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Speaker 1: so That's Incredible was one of those types of shows.

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Speaker 1: I think it was an ABC show, But it was

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01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 1: a big deal that Steve Garvey cheated on his equally

1243
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: famous wife. She got that job because she was Steve

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01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: some people assumed because she was Steve, you know, married

1245
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: to a you know, a popular baseball player in La

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01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 1: namely Steve Garvey. So anyway, I was a Garvey guy.

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01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: I still believe Garvey has a Hall of you know is.

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: I think the only reason he's not in the Hall

1249
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,799
Speaker 1: is due to the the disappointment a lot of people felt,

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: because I think he was seen as I mean, he

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01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: was a role model that my parents wanted me to follow.

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01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: He had this great mythology about his you know, his

1253
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: father drove the team bus for the Dodgers, and he

1254
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: was this, you know, mister perfect and all that stuff.

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01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: So there was this lore about Garvey, and I think

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01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: my parents thought he was a terrific role model. And

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01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: then the whole thing happened, and then I think that

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: back then we realized, we would realize a few years

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01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: later that Charles Barkley was right. No athlete is, you know,

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01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: should be a p perfect role model for everybody. But

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: going back to the football front, so basically, mate, my players,

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Speaker 1: my favorite players were always Garvy. Where somebody were derivative

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: of the Packers or derivative of the Hurricanes, So Jim

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01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: Kelly because of the Hurricanes, so I always he's one

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01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: of my all time favorites, the first great quarterback for Miami.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sorry he never got a Super

1267
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,679
Speaker 1: Bowl win, but he's you know, he's probably the greatest

1268
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 1: quarterback never to get a Super Bowl. I know you're

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01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: supposed to say Dan Marino. I think the fact that

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Speaker 1: Kelly got there four times puts him ahead of Marino

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Speaker 1: any any And he was the he helped implement essentially

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Speaker 1: the modernization of the you know, the offenses we see

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Speaker 1: today in some ways, you know, you could you could

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Speaker 1: say that Kelly and the K gun offense or the

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Speaker 1: or the the the the og of that there. And

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Speaker 1: then James Lofton because he was the best Packer at

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Speaker 1: the time. When I was a kid, I loved Eddie

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Speaker 1: Lee Ivory, I loved lind Dicky. I still do. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny with the Packers quarterbacks because they they've they've

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Speaker 1: you know, both Farv and Rogers. And you know, this

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Speaker 1: is the thing, like a lot of my favorite players,

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01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: their off field behavior makes it harder to sort of

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Speaker 1: root for them off the field as much as you

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Speaker 1: root for him on the field. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: go back and forth, but I compartmentalize Aaron Rodgers. I

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Speaker 1: still wanted to go into the Hall of Fame as

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Speaker 1: a packer. He still did a lot of good for

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Speaker 1: the packers, and so I do kind of try to

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Speaker 1: compartmentalize these things. But some things you don't, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't like, you know whatever, you know, the whole

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Speaker 1: farv story. I vacillate on that one. I think some

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Speaker 1: people took advantage of him. And at the same time,

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Speaker 1: you know, ignorance is no excuse either. I think he

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Speaker 1: should have been understood more what people were using his

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01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: name to do and then what he thought. Anyway, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot I think there's certainly nuanced to the story

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Speaker 1: on that. But yeah, I've had I've had my share

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Speaker 1: of and there's certain hurricanes that have some controversial off

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Speaker 1: field issues that yet I still will we'll compartmentalize about

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Michael Irvin or Ray Lewis on

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Speaker 1: that front either. So, uh So there you have I hope,

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Speaker 1: uh I'm as you could tell. I think I gave

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Speaker 1: you an honest answer. The easy answer would have been

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Speaker 1: to say somebody like Johnny bench Right or Sandy Kofax

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Speaker 1: or whatever. I love Fernando too. First autograph I ever

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Speaker 1: got from a baseball player was fern end of Allen

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Speaker 1: twelve at Vero Beach in Dodgertown. All right, well we

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Speaker 1: ended with a sports question, so I'll just leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Once again, the NBA still has an All Star Game

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Speaker 1: interest issue. Let me just leave you with a thought,

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Speaker 1: and for those of you that want to follow up,

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Speaker 1: I'd love follow up questions on it. Which is the

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Speaker 1: reason the players and the NBA took the All Star

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Speaker 1: Game seriously in the sixties, seventies, eighties, and even to

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Speaker 1: a lesser extent than nineties, was because the bonus you

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01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: got for being an All Star, in comparison to the

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01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: salary was sort of it was probably somewhere between five

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Speaker 1: and ten percent of your overall year salary was this bonus.

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01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: And if you can get a five or ten percent

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Speaker 1: extra amount of money, that's motivation. Now you're looking at best,

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01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: it's somewhere between a half a percent and a percent

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Speaker 1: of what your yearly salary is. And so I think

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Speaker 1: that there's just look, as my friend Tony Cornhis likes

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01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: to say, the answer to all your problems with money,

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Speaker 1: how can they create a different financial incentive for the

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Speaker 1: players to get in the All Star Game, and a

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Speaker 1: different financial incentive for players to play to not deal

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Speaker 1: with load management, a different you know. So it is

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Speaker 1: ultimately right, good incentives you get good outcomes. Bad incentives

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01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: you get bad outcomes. There are some bad incentives that

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01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: have been created in the NBA with tanking with our

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Speaker 1: All Star Game participation, So tweak the incentives. That's where

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Speaker 1: you got to go. Is it more money at the

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Speaker 1: line on the line? You know? Do you make it

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Speaker 1: a truly elite status? Does All Star Game participate Haitian

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Speaker 1: get tied to Hall of Fame consideration? Right? You know,

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Speaker 1: there's all sorts of things you could potentially create. You

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Speaker 1: just have to You just have to choose to really

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01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: want to. And you got to ask yourself, what do

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Speaker 1: you want out of your All Star weekend? You know?

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01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,919
Speaker 1: I think the fact is the three point contest continues

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01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: to be the one contest that even the best want

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Speaker 1: to participate in it. So come up with other skills.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you what could be fun is

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01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to see more free throw shooting

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Speaker 1: contests where you did speed free throws or something like that.

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Speaker 1: You could perhaps do more skills if you want to,

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Speaker 1: you know, continue to have this. You know, you could

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Speaker 1: turn the All Star weekend into a big tournament. Again.

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Speaker 1: That again huge compensation for it the way they did

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01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: with the NBA Cup, right, players, the incentive is big

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01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: enough that it has caused teams to really want to

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01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: play hard during the NBA Cup games in the early

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Speaker 1: part of the season. So ultimately, that's what you do, right,

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 1: You examine and you find out where are your weak spots.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll close with this, why did you know

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Speaker 1: it's February the slowest sports month on the calendar, although

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Speaker 1: I'd argue with Winter Olympics, Daytona five hundred, this week

1359
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Speaker 1: you got increasingly interesting college basketball, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: that February has certainly been fairly busy. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated came up with the swimsuit issue when they

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Speaker 1: looked at their new stand sales and realized their slowest

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Speaker 1: news stand sales was in the mid to late part

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Speaker 1: of February. So they said, what's a way to increase

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Speaker 1: our news stand sales in February? Right, And so that's

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Speaker 1: what they did. The NBA. Why did they come up

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Speaker 1: with the NBA Cup. They look, boy, we got a

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Speaker 1: lot of we don't have it. Nobody pays attention to

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Speaker 1: the first part of the regular season while the NFL

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Speaker 1: is in session. What do we do to create more

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Speaker 1: something more interesting? When they came up with the NBA Cup.

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Speaker 1: So that's how these problems can be tackled, should be

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Speaker 1: looked at, right, And it's you know, take the take

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Speaker 1: the biggest loophole, the biggest problem, the biggest issue, and

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Speaker 1: then come up with incentive structures that actually make it

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Speaker 1: far more interesting, far more useful, right, and go from there.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll throw that out there. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear from you and my sports nuts that listen to

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01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: this ideas you have fixing NBA All Star weekend? What

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Speaker 1: would you do? What are some ideas out there? You know,

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Speaker 1: my buddy Bill Simmons can't just corner the market on

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01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: crazy ideas, right, the rest of us want to participate

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01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: in the crazy idea, half baked idea genre that he

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01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: is frankly executed so well over the years. All Right,

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Speaker 1: with that, I will call it a podcast for this

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Speaker 1: Monday President's Day. Episode gave you a lot to chew

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Speaker 1: on today, a lot of little history to tag out,

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01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: and from there and I'll see and we'll have a

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Speaker 1: lot more to say in forty eight hours, you know,