WEBVTT - Black Music Month QLS Classic: Jimmy Jam Part 3 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.320 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:11.039 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:12.399 Hey, what's up, y'all? 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.280 This is Quest Love And as you noticed throughout June, 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:21.079 we are celebrating Black Music Month by releasing an episode 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.640 every day, So every day you're either going to hear 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:29.640 a specially pick QLs classic. Now for Part one, Part two. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.040 In part three of my all time favorite QLs episode, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:40.080 this is the legendary Jimmy Jam. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:41.040 Ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.240 This experience with Jimmy Jam, talking with him for almost 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.920 six hours was such a dream come true. We never 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.480 wanted it to end. This particular episode. We talked about 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.160 working with Michael Jackson, a lot of career advice in 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.640 running a record label, and a lot. 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.240 Of it's so much too much information. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.440 We really hope you enjoyed this Jimmy Jam episode as 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.360 much as we enjoy doing it all right here it 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:19.440 is part three, the QLs Classic Interview with producer Jimmy Jam. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:26.400 There's a question I have about rhythmination, which I often 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:38.680 debate with with Reebe's son, Michael's nephew Austin, about the effect, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:44.600 the crippling effect that I feel the knowledge add on 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:49.760 Michael Jackson, or just at least the first three. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:55.000 Songs of that record. And you know, I've watched No, No, No, 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.120 but I love this, I love where this is going. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:01.400 I've watched because I've watched a few interviews where he's 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.440 mentioned in a kind of monastery or a way like, oh, 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:10.400 you know, Jens. But knowing what I know about his 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:18.320 vocal style and what it became, I felt that I 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.480 felt that what control was for Prince, Rhythm Nation was 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:29.399 for Michael into a crippling effect because soon after, literally 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:37.519 every thing that he released post nineteen ninety was him 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:43.920 chasing those first three songs, Rhythm Nation, uh, State of 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:50.760 the World and the Knowledge. Well, no, no, I mean, 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.520 do you know the baby Face story about when he 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.760 first flew them to Neverland Wrench to work on the 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.840 Dangerous record? Did he ever tell you the his first Okay, 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:08.360 so Babyface. So when they're working on Jermaine, as you 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:13.280 said record, and suddenly they get a call saying I'm 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:18.600 you know, helicopter to Havenhurst And when they first get there, 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.480 they're like, well, so you know, what do you what 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.040 do you like from us? Like they're trying to figure 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:28.040 out what he knows of theirs, and he says, well, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:34.760 I really really like Rhythm Nation. A part of me 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:41.520 actually feels like he was nagging them, Like I think 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.240 he's I think he's intelligent enough to read album credits 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.120 to know the difference between Ella and Babyface and Jimmy Zeanme, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:50.119 Terry Lewis. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.400 And you know they correct him. Was like, well, you know, 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.200 we didn't do that right. It's like, I know, but 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.720 I still like it. That's great. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:06.320 So yeah, it's and again it's like, my favorite record 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:11.280 of hers is Janet. I feel like the most important 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.280 record was controlled, but I feel like the most impactful 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:20.800 was probably at least with stylistically and how it affected Michael. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.880 I mean, when you make Michael Jackson's paradigm shift, then 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.479 that says something. And I always felt as though that 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:36.360 record crippled him in ways that he's never recovered. Like 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.960 every song was like that sixteenth note, like off the Water, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:46.920 like everything was that, Like what was was there any 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.920 feedback from him whatsoever? Or was it like in her 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.920 head like it's really going to fuck him up now? 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.920 Like there was Janet. Janet never had any sort of 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.800 he was never competitive. Oh she was competitive, but not 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:08.560 towards him in any way. She never had anything that 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.159 I've ever since her that she ever said that was 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.680 in any way like I'm gonna show Michael on this 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.600 one or anything like that. There was never anything like 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:21.080 that her. Her respect for him was way beyond any 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:25.120 sort of competitiveness with him. He was competitive toward her. 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.920 I will say that because I can tell you. I 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.080 can tell you I can I can tell you the 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:37.240 whole scream story. That was that. But but interestingly enough, yes, 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:43.040 the knowledge. I have a handwritten note from Michael that 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.920 talks about the bridge and the knowledge and the sound 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.320 that's on there, and can I can we do something 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.120 that sounds like that on the bridge of our song? 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.160 He had taped it to my keyboard. Because I wasn't there, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.120 he taped it to my keyboard. And I still have that. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.320 Say you still have that? I actually my brief. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.359 Does he print or writing cursive? I'm sorry, I just 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.040 need to print. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.640 No, this was print. I think this was a magulent cursive. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.480 All have to you know what. I never actually, honestly, 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.760 I didn't pay attention. Maybe it is cursive. I don't know. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.480 I didn't pay attention. I just saw the note that 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.880 just said, Jimmy jam can we use the sound that's 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.479 whatever that sound is and the knowledge, but I actually 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.280 got it. Was funny because when we were working with 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.400 with Michael uh on the on that History album, and 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:33.480 I remember him being obsessed with IF and he really 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:38.640 liked IF. And I remember saying, no, I said, yeah, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.719 if it's cool, Michael, I said, I don't know. I said, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.720 you know, that's the Way Love Goes was a much 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.840 bigger record it was, And I said, yeah, so that's 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.360 the Way Love Goes was like number one for eight 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.000 weeks or something. I said, you know, IF was like 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.400 top five, I said, but it wasn't. I said no, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:54.720 I like, I really like that IF. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.479 And it's like no, like that brace yourself, that that 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:04.080 five second stag yes, sizzle like and that's what like. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:11.559 Rhythm Nason was probably the first stadium black album because 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:16.840 even with bad just that intro maybe the way you 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.000 make Me feel like, it didn't have the grandiose m 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.200 HM intro of every like every song was stadium ready 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.720 yeah for rhythm Na. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.080 Yeah, No, he definitely liked I mean he was. He 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:35.680 told us how much he loved it, and and and 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:37.640 wanted to and wanted to and always why would you 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.840 never ask you guys to produce his records? What we 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.600 did we did. We ended up doing songs on uh. Well, 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:50.760 but after the fact, well, I mean, honestly we first 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:52.960 of all, the records he made with Quincy Jones, to 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.480 me were the greatest records ever. So I was like, 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.520 I didn't even really want to work with Michael quite honestly, 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:02.120 if he wouldn't have asked to do the Janet duet, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.000 you know, we probably never would have worked with him. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.800 That's the reason we worked with him. And it was 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:13.160 interesting because I remember Janet or Michael called I'm trying 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.960 to think where his folks called our folks or whatever, say, 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.120 Michael wants to do a song as a duet with 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.560 Janet and I my first thought was I'm calling it. No, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.360 it wasn't no. My first thought was I'm gonna call 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.200 Janet and see is she cool? Is she aware with it? 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.160 You know of this? And then my biggest thing was 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.280 I feel, as a producer and also her friend and confidant, 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.520 I'm there to protect her and I want to make 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:40.360 sure that whatever the process is that's happening, that she's 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:46.880 protecting at all times. And when I say that, it 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.160 was interesting what you just said about Michael and kind 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.120 of his you know, his story with La and Babyface. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.840 When when he said I really like Rhythm Nation. That's 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.000 hilarious to me because I remember when we were doing 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.240 and Scream, and I remember I told Janet to come 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.520 to Minneapolis while we were doing the tracks because Michael said, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.520 just put together some tracks and we'll figure it out 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.920 what it is. And I remember we put we put 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:12.679 a bunch of tracks together and then we just kind 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.600 of said, okay, I said, Janet, you need to just 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.520 sit here. I just need your inspiration, you know. And 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.839 so I remember when we did the track that ended 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.120 up being Scream. I remember Janet said, that's the one 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.840 he's gonna like. And I said, how do you know? 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.800 And she said, because I know my brother. And I said, okay. So, 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.160 but the song she really liked, and the song that 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:38.679 we liked was ended up becoming Runaway because yeah, because 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:45.440 he run Away. Yeah, we thought that that was yo. Yeah, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.040 we thought that was the record you know he could 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.920 have right, That's what we thought. Yeah, man, so when 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:56.160 we did so, when we did so, when we did 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.680 run Away, Wow. When we did run Away, it was funny, 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.280 and we didn't know it was gonna be called runaway. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:03.880 I mean obviously that the song didn't exist. It was 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.760 just a track. But when we did the track, we 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.440 just were like, wow, this feels so nice, this is 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:13.720 so cool, right, And so she said, I remember, she said, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.840 put it on the cassette, but I hope he doesn't 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:20.360 like it. I want it for me, And I said, okay, cool, 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.200 so sirted off. We played the songs, we went to 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.400 the Hit factory, flew to New York, went to Hit factory. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:32.200 He blasted these songs super loud, and then he would say, yeah, 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:36.600 that sounds really good. Can I hear number two again? Please? Okay. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.640 So they'd played number two, and they played a couple 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.880 other ones, and then he goes, Okay, I think I 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.720 think we're gonna go with number two. I really like 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.720 number two. And number two was ended up being screamed, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.720 and Jenna looked at me like I told you so, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:55.480 but also like I'm glad he didn't play so anyway, 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.839 so the next day we went to ironically Trump Tower 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.560 where he had uh where Michael had his penthouse and stuff, 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.080 and we and Michael already had conceptually what he wanted. 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.040 He wanted a record that lashed out at the press 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:17.480 and everybody that doubted him or was critical of him. 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.439 And that's why that track worked so well, because for him, 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.000 it was the aggressiveness of doing that. Whose idea was 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:30.840 fucking you know what? I honestly don't remember. I don't 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:35.199 remember whether he said that as we were recording it 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.360 or if. I don't think we suggested it, because I 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.240 don't think we would ever. I was about to say, 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.400 did you write the word stop fucking with me? No, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.680 it was it stopped pressuring me. But he wrote he 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:48.600 wrote the lyrics on that. We didn't write the lyrics 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.080 on screen. Okay, that was totally his thing. And even 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:57.080 as he was writing the lyrics, we were like, okay, yeah, 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:02.000 we get that. Oh, but why would you want to 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:06.520 drudge up any animosity toward the press or anybody at 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.600 this point? Because right now he was at it and 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.480 he was at a really happy point of his life. 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.240 He had just I don't know whether I think him 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.400 and Lisa Marie had just gotten married, so he was 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:22.880 a happy guy. Lisa couldn't have been nicer. You know. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.280 It was funny because I remember we asked Lisa, we said, 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:26.920 what did you what did you see in Michael? You know, 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:28.640 what did you how did you guys fall in love? 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.960 And she just said he was the kindest person I've 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.920 ever met in my life. And I totally got it. 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.280 I was like, I get it, totally get it. And 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.560 I thought, now's the opportunity to you know, if it 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.480 was the runaway track or we had heard the the 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.360 r Kelly track you Are Not Alone, and we were like, 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.080 that should be the single. To me, it's like, that's 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.600 where you're at in your life right now. Why go 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:59.920 back and go pressure me. I gotta get the last word. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:01.599 He's got to get the last word. And that was 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.559 the thing. And we told we told Sony, We told uh, well, 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:05.960 it wasn't even Sony at the time. I think it 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.800 was still CBS Records at the time, but we told him, 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.240 we said, that's the wrongest, that's the wrong record for 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:15.160 the first single. To me, also, I said, just strategically, 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.439 wouldn't if everybody wants that duet, why give it to 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.120 him at first? Give him something different? I said, he's 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.360 never given the whole big record as the first one 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.160 ever has throwaway song should have been and then yes, 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:34.360 well that's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, but I mean 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.000 but that was my thing was you are not alone. 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.560 I said, you just gotten married to Lisa Marie. You're 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.959 in love. We had already done the love thing with Janet, right. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.720 We knew that's the way love goes was the song 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.560 for that album. That it was. It introduced, it said 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.240 what the album was, the album was not. We argued 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:54.880 with the record company over that. They wanted it for 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.640 the single and we're like, no, but if it's like 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:02.600 the last of rhythm names. But remember the last impression 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.080 you had of Janet was love will never do without you. 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.440 So going from that too, that's the way love goes 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.960 is the next logical step. And they almost talked her 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.760 out of it. Thank god for Chuck d and Hank 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:19.920 Shockley who we played the record for, and they told us, yeah, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.040 that if is cool, but that that's the way love goes. Man, 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.680 it's like some shot ship. She wanted to know. I'll 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.080 tell you, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what I 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.520 can real hopefully, real quick. I can tell you what happened. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.280 We had finished the whole album. We were the last 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.160 song we did with State, not State of the World, 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:40.400 but new Agenda with Chuck did right right, So we're 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.440 finishing up. We finished it like three in the morning 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.120 when Janet had left. Janet had left for about two 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.800 three days to meet with virgin about you know whatever. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.760 And of course now we're the climate of biggest recording 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:58.160 delever Ton of pressure and whatever. When Jordan Harris and 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.960 Jeff A. Roff were the two guys who were running 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.080 Version when we were working on the album, they came 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.760 to town one day and they said, we just want 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.840 to hear whatever you're working on. That particular day we 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.160 were working on IF. To crank that up. I turned 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:17.040 it on. They were blown away. They left. They said 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.360 that we don't need to hear anything else. We're good, right. 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.680 So in their minds from that day forward, IF was 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.080 the single because that's what they heard, and it was 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.680 so straight down the middle of Janet from what Janet 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.480 was on Rhythm Nation. They hadn't heard any of the 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.080 other songs, didn't know any of the concepts. So that's 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.040 the way Love Goes had a long kind of you 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.200 know life because in creating the song, because when I 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.840 did the song, I was like my whole thing was. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.160 First of all, I'm the biggest James Brown fan ever. Right, 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.080 Papa Don't Take No Mess was one of my favorite songs. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.040 I said, if I could take Papa Don't Take No Mess, 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.200 put chords over it like a real song and chak 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.800 Hord changes stuff and make it all still work with 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.360 the with the thing, if I could put the impeached 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.760 President's sample in it. I was trying to make like 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.200 the ultimate hip hop you know, like like a record 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.160 Mary J. Blige would make, was what I was trying 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.920 to make on that record, right, but with the texture 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.600 the Janet would sing on right. And I remember there 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:21.400 was this guy named Mark Mazzetti used to work at 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:30.440 A and M Records, and Mark Mazzetti. Okay, so so 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.480 Mark came up. You know she she was on Virgin, 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:33.880 but he just he came up and he said, hey, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.560 I know she's not on our label. Can I hear 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.920 something you're working on? And I said, oh, yeah, well 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.680 I just finished this track and I played him That's 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.400 the Way Love Goest track and he went crazy. He said, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.320 oh my god, this is the greatest. Oh my god, 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.640 I'm so I wish I was working this record whatever whatever, anyway, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:52.160 played it, played it for Janet. Janet goes, it's okay 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.640 and I said wow, I said, oh really, she said, yeah, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.400 it's okay. So anyway, I said, okay, cool. So then 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.280 about you know, a couple of weeks later, we were 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:04.639 taking a break over Christmas and uh, she said, just 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.359 put everything on a cassette for me to listen to. 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.600 I said, okay, cool. So I put the track on 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.560 the cassette right when she got back. A couple of 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.240 weeks later, she landed. I said, what song do you 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.840 want to start with? She said, oh my god, that track? 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.440 That track, Oh my god. And I said, what track 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.399 are you talking about? That track you gave me? Oh 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.159 my god, the track you gave me, I said, the 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.080 one you don't like? Oh, I was no, I love 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.280 that track. Oh my god. We listened to it and over. 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.240 So something about she was in Anguila, so something about 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.560 being in Guila on the beach and whatever, and something 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.119 about it connected. And I think what also happened she 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:40.960 was over there with a bunch of her dancers and stuff, 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.919 and I think they all heard it and were like 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:46.280 kind of like what they did in the middle, and 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.520 that was kind of that. That's what I think kind 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:49.360 of happened over there. 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.960 So when that happened, she said tribe to or. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:59.960 Yeah, not actually, but yeah, but that was that was 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.280 sort of the idea. So anyway, we actually did this 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:06.240 song and we all agreed that that was sort of 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.159 the direction of the album. Like that was the first 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.520 you know, kind of Entrea what the album was going 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.120 to be. When she went to La, we warned her, 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:16.560 We said, they're going to try to talk you in 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.200 if I already know it, and she said, no, it's cool, 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.280 but you know what, a second single maybe whatever, It's okay, cool. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.359 She comes back, she goes, yeah, the single changed to if. 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:35.840 We were like, don't don't you know? And they were 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:37.919 like and she told me all the reasons, Oh we 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.640 can do a big dance video and it's Janet returns 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.959 and it's whatever, and we're like no, but we know 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:48.160 that's changed my whole perspective of that record, right if 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:52.480 came out. Yeah, So anyway, so now, okay, so we 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.480 fast forward. We're finishing New Agenda. So three o'clock in 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.160 the morning, I said Janet, I said, can we play 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.840 them the two records? Thinking this singles? And she said, oh, yeah, 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.480 that'd be great. I said, okay, cool. So we went 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.960 in in the studio. I played That's the Way Love 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.119 Goes and they listened to it and they were like vibing. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.320 And we played IF and they were vibing and we 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:21.840 were like, okay, so what do you think and they said, well, yeah, 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.480 that that IF man, that you know, that just sounds 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.840 like Janet. Man, you know that's that you know, that's 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.720 that janis back, and you know, we get it man. 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:34.120 It's it's it's like, you know, it's like and as 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.679 he's saying that, I'm just going like, no, right, and 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.359 she's looking at me, like Jane's looking at me like 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.320 see you know whatever, and I'm like damn. And then 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:50.400 they go, but but what was that other song called 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:55.840 That's the Way Love Goes? That other song? You know 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.880 what that song is like, that's like some shah Day shit. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.600 That's like when shah Day puts a record out, you know, 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:04.959 and it is no fanfare to it. It's just like 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:07.920 she just got the CD and she just kind of 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.600 slips it down on the table and you go, oh, 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.640 what is that. Oh it's a shiny record. Let's check 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.600 that out. You know. He said, that's like that ship 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.080 and he said, that's something about that, and I looked 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:28.600 at her like and that was it, and that was 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.040 so the decision was made. And thank god they were 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.119 there and said that because then she said, she like 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.040 came back to her senses and she said, okay, yeah, 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.720 that's the way Love Goes is a single, and yeah, 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.200 it changed the whole direction of what the record would 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.960 have been. And so yeah, I mean, you know, there's 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:46.800 all kinds of things like that that happened. Man, it's 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.560 it's like it's like we can sit here and talk. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:54.320 We ain't even got to damn two thousand have we. Which, 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:58.320 by the way, everybody clowned us about the length of 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:03.399 the of the Bull interview that we did. Whatever that was, Yeah, 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:08.960 whatever that is, And it was funny because I said, yeah, 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.400 but you know the problem is is that you can 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.640 really pick an era and spend a couple hours talking 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.960 about it if you want to go in depth with it, 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.680 it's tough to really do it because I said, we've 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.600 just been around too damn long. That's the that's the problem. 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.000 And there's a story that leads to another story that 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.080 leads to another story. But there's so many angles of 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.600 things of the way they turned out. At the end 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:34.960 of the day, I say about all of this, it's 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:40.360 God that does this flows through us. Luckily we've got 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.680 the blessing to actually do it. But I guarantee you 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.440 there's song, there's chord changes and songs we were talking about. 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.760 Somebody asked me the other day about come back to Me, 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:51.439 the bridging come back to Me. 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.200 It's the same as money came by love? 0:21:54.400 --> 0:22:05.000 Is it? That's money can mean fine, Oh you're right, Yeah, 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:15.679 you're right, Yeah, you're sort of well, you're right. I mean, 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.680 you're right. There are there are the same There are 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.399 the same chords in there, absolutely the same chords. But 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:26.439 I don't know where those chords came from, right because 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.320 when I was doing come Back to Me, the track 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:32.520 for that, that is not where I would go for 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:34.560 a change. Like if somebody said, oh, we need a 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:38.520 B section, I wouldn't have gone to that, you know. 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:43.000 And even sometime today, you know, if somebody says, hey, 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:44.920 play such and such and such. I love the change 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:46.800 in that song, and I can't remember what it was. 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.520 We were Brunel Mars the other day, who, by the way, 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:53.040 can sing every damn song we've ever done and really well, 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.879 which is which is something? But we were doing I 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:58.040 don't know whether it was coming back to me or 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:00.359 one of the other that might have been abanded years something, 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:04.320 and we were he was singing, and he went to 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.720 the change, and I'm like going, oh wait, I don't wait. 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:08.720 What was what was I thinking that day? I don't 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.879 even know, but it was what whatever was planted in 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:15.360 me that day that made me come up with those changes. 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:19.399 So at the end of the day, man, it's just, uh, 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.000 you know, it's just a blessing. And I get to 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.520 do it with somebody who I love to see every 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:28.840 single day. And uh, but there's so many twists and 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:32.960 turns that you can't really get stuck on yourself about 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:36.919 it because there's so many other factors, man, like if 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:38.920 Chuck d wouldn't have been in our life or Hank 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:41.159 Shockley wouldn't have been in our life at that moment, 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.000 it would have taken a different turn, and and that 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.440