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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ and

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Speaker 1: Buck with you? Buck? How are you doing? Man? Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. DJ.

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Speaker 2: Like you know, ITEA is like we're in full playoff mode.

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Speaker 2: When you guys take off, we check off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's late later today, so we were taking off

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Speaker 1: and uh we'll be up there Friday night and uh

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Speaker 1: worth it or not? Regular season NBA basketball, We've got

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Speaker 1: Wimby at the Celtics Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: Amen Spurs. Spurs are good and Wimby's coming off the pitch.

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Speaker 3: That's a long time to be the Friday on this Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Game, Sunday night, Sunday night, that's long going to get home,

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Speaker 1: to it. We're going to get to those games too.

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Speaker 1: In just a minute, we're gonna preview, uh, these these

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Speaker 1: our coordinators of the year. Allright, Buckets Stime for Hot

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Speaker 1: Let's get into our coordinators of the year. Give me

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Speaker 2: Well, offense of the years. We're gonna start with. Think

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Speaker 2: Here's the challenge their defense is. I mean, it's almost

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Speaker 3: By doing that, they don't turn it over, they're going

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Speaker 2: They don't give up explosive plays on defense. They force

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Speaker 1: A good one. I can't wait to see it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's gonna be a physical game.

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be the most physical game of

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Speaker 1: you've got you know, Vrabel with a ton of experience.

433
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Speaker 1: You know, you've got Josh McDaniels. This guy's got a

434
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Speaker 1: lot of rings. Now they've been through these wars. They're

435
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to impart a lot of knowledge. But

436
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Speaker 1: the key players on that team do not have a

437
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Speaker 1: ton of that experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of that, and there's a lot

439
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Speaker 3: of newness in this postseason.

440
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, think about it, like three teams that

441
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Speaker 2: or at least two teams that we expect to being

442
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Speaker 2: in the quarterbacks are not available, not gonna, not gonna

443
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Speaker 2: be there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so now you I mean look at Nomes,

445
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Speaker 1: no Burrow and no Lamar.

446
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so you think about those guys didn't

447
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Speaker 2: being available. It's it's all new. What opposed to you

448
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,200
Speaker 2: is all the noise around the Charges is like, hey,

449
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 2: we haven't performed well in these moments. If you could

450
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Speaker 2: waive the magic wand to get the Charges to play

451
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Speaker 2: well right out the gate, what would be the things

452
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Speaker 2: that need to go well.

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Speaker 1: For the Chargers Early. I think you'll know in this

454
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Speaker 1: game if it's going to be the Chargers day, it's

455
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Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be very simple. You're gonna see a

456
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Speaker 1: big hit from Derwin James or Tony Jefferson or Denzel

457
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Speaker 1: Paraman who's back off for a two game suspension. That

458
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Speaker 1: when they their defense stepped up in the at the

459
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Speaker 1: end of the season, really after that Jags game, they

460
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Speaker 1: had to buy They played really good defense all the

461
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Speaker 1: way down the home stretch. And I'm a I'm a

462
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Speaker 1: big believer and this goes back to my Baltimore roots,

463
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Speaker 1: which is, you know, there's not you can have the

464
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Speaker 1: same play in the box score that's a two yard

465
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Speaker 1: tackle for loss or an incomplete pass over the middle,

466
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Speaker 1: and they can be two totally different versions of that.

467
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Speaker 1: There can be a rap drag get you down to

468
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Speaker 1: the ground, and there can be a run through your chest.

469
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Speaker 1: You can hear the pads popping. And when the Chargers

470
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Speaker 1: have been playing like that, and one of the underrated

471
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Speaker 1: guys who does that is Tony Jefferson, who flies around,

472
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Speaker 1: smacks people. Denzel Paraman flies around, smacks people. They need

473
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Speaker 1: that physical edge to them. Derwin's always had that, but

474
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Speaker 1: they've got more guys. Khalil Mack plays that way. Two

475
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Speaker 1: Lead's a physical player, like, they have to be a violent,

476
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Speaker 1: physical team. If they are, I think that's that would

477
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Speaker 1: keep you from blowing a big lead in Jacksonville. That

478
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Speaker 1: would you know, that would keep you, you know, from

479
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Speaker 1: kind of falling apart a little bit against c. J.

480
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Speaker 1: Stroud in the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you say that, DJ.

482
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Speaker 2: Like people always talk about the postseason and you've been

483
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Speaker 2: around that vibe and energy. More it's the team that

484
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Speaker 2: out hits the other team. I can't properly represent what

485
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: playoff football is like, but you can feel the energy.

486
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: It's a different tenor different level of intensity and urgency,

487
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: and the physicality goes up tenfold as we get into

488
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Speaker 2: each and every round. This is one where you can

489
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Speaker 2: tell your team. You can tell your team is ready

490
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Speaker 2: to play by Windy delivered that ooh we hit early

491
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Speaker 2: in the game. It needs to happen early. You got

492
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Speaker 2: to sit the tone. You got to let the other

493
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Speaker 2: team know we're going to play on these terms and

494
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Speaker 2: you have to match us to have a chance to

495
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Speaker 2: beat us.

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Speaker 1: Today. Do you remember I don't remember if it was Gosh,

497
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Speaker 1: was it Chancellor or Brown or whoever it was in

498
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Speaker 1: that Super Bowl against the Broncos. Early in the game,

499
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Speaker 1: game is get over. Yeah, it's over.

500
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Speaker 2: I think they hit the Marius Thomas on the crossing

501
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Speaker 2: route really and just obliterated him. And that that changes

502
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: things like it has to be that and the finality

503
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: of the postseason changes the urgency and that physicality has

504
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Speaker 2: to be a part of you.

505
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Speaker 3: Is talked about all the time, but it has to

506
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Speaker 3: be executed upon on game day.

507
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Speaker 1: That was what Rex Acts used to talk about and

508
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Speaker 1: when we were going through draft meetings, I remember it

509
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Speaker 1: there in Baltimore was he would say, what's the biggest

510
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: momentum changing play for a defense. Somebody said, Oh, it's

511
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Speaker 1: a sack. Somebody said no, no, no, it's an interception, it's

512
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Speaker 1: a stop on fourth down. No it's a red zone.

513
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Speaker 1: He goes, no, it's a big hit. He said, A

514
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Speaker 1: big hit energizes your defense way more than a sack.

515
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Speaker 1: You know, a force fumble, an interception. He said that

516
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Speaker 1: you get a big hit, it energizes the entire group.

517
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: It energizes the sideline. If you're playing at home, it

518
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Speaker 1: energizes the whole stadium.

519
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it changes everything. Man, It's about hit or be hit.

520
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: If you're going to walk them around, you're going to

521
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: have to get hit. And it has to be like that,

522
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: not just on defense, but it has to be like

523
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: that on offense. The way you're offensive lineman finished blocks,

524
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: the way your running backs finish runs, all of it.

525
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Speaker 3: It is a physical affair and it has to be

526
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: like that from the jump.

527
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Speaker 1: Last game Monday night, the Steelers who come off a

528
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Speaker 1: dramatic win after that, that miskick, they march on and

529
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Speaker 1: their rewards they get to walk in the Houston Texans

530
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: and that nasty defense into Pittsburgh. Tough game.

531
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Speaker 2: You talk about the most physical game, I think this

532
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: has a chance to be the most facial. Good point,

533
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: because these are two maller brawlers. They have no finesse

534
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: to their game. They can't play finest wel. They have

535
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: to resort back to who they are and that's gonna

536
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: be a street fight. And we know what the Texans

537
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: bring because their defense is about swarming to the ball.

538
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: They talk about knocking folks out at every turn. And

539
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: then the Steelers, whenever they're desperate, they ratchet up the

540
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: physicality that is the best part of their team, that

541
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: has always been the best part of them. When they're

542
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Speaker 2: backed into the corner, they're just gonna thug it out.

543
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: They gonna make it a very physical affair. They have

544
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Speaker 2: to do it.

545
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Speaker 3: But I don't I don't know how Pittsburgh can get

546
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Speaker 3: to twenty points.

547
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like when you.

548
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: Look at the Texans, the Texans old everybody under twenty

549
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: and I just don't know how Pittsburgh's gonna score twenty

550
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Speaker 2: points against the Texans D So.

551
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Speaker 1: I don't either. But that's why I, uh, I was.

552
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Speaker 1: I think they only want all these previous I'm the

553
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: only one who picked the Steelers. Everybody picked the Houston

554
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: to win, and I don't even know, you know, I

555
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: don't have a great reason I picked the Steelers to

556
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Speaker 1: win this game. Seventeen to sixteen, seventeen to sixteen, and really, really,

557
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Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there going I'm coming off of watching CJ.

558
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: Stroud in person, where he turned it over a couple

559
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: times against the Chargers and kept him in the game.

560
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: And I think that Aaron is smart enough and sharp

561
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Speaker 1: enough where they could steal you know, you get a

562
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: short field, it's a touchdown. You get a short field,

563
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: it's a field goal. You know, it just there. I

564
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: always get nervous when it's just oh, it's kind of

565
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: a I mean, Houston's gonna run in there and run

566
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: them over, like the Houston defense. I'm still maybe I'm

567
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: just holding on to old my old days. But I'm

568
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: like Pittsburgh at night in the playoffs and now TJ.

569
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: Watt healthy and Derek Harmon's playing his butt off and

570
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: Hayward's playing awesome like that is a really really good front.

571
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: Now their secondary scares the crud out of me. That

572
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: to me is how that game gets won for Houston.

573
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: C J. Stroud should have a big game attack in

574
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Speaker 1: the secondary with those receivers that have all come together,

575
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: these young rookies to go along with Nico Collins. They

576
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: got a good group out there. That's where the Houston

577
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: wins the game. But man, I just like sack force fumble,

578
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know, I just I picked

579
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to win in a kind of an ugly, ugly

580
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: seventeen to sixteen game. DJ.

581
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Speaker 2: I think they have some ridiculous record on Monday Night,

582
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: Like in terms of like the number of wins that

583
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: they have and the Mike tunnet there, like they don't

584
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: lose typically in prime time on Monday Night, Like that's

585
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: the thing Renegade is gonna be playing.

586
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you hate the sound of it. Give me

587
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 3: your Ravens size.

588
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: I mean, but they gonna be fully frothy, and it's

589
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: a perfect situation for Mike Tomland. Like whatever about the

590
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: Steelers their mystique when they are backed into the corn,

591
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: when everyone doused him and counts them out, they tend

592
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: to rise to the occasion, and I understand it.

593
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: But I also understand that they gonna have a tough

594
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 3: time score point. I just know know how to get

595
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: the twenty points. I know how to get the twenty points.

596
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: Well, they have to hold them under twenty. That's how

597
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: they win the game. I think if the game gets

598
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: a north of twenty, I don't think they win it.

599
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: So they got to They got to try and figure

600
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: out a way to muck it up and make a

601
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: role ugly, ugly performance good enough to win. But I'm

602
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: looking forward to these games, block. I cannot wait. Can't

603
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: wait to get back on here and recap them next week.

604
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: As well.

605
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Speaker 2: Anything you want to add before we get out of here,

606
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: not too much, man like, it's it's great, man. I'm

607
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: looking for I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait

608
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: to see this action. We've talked about it all season,

609
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: but now that we're in the tournament. The game is

610
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: just so much better when you get to the postseason

611
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: because everyone is on it.

612
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we cannot wait. We'll see see it. Maybe the

613
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: Chargers and the Jacks collide down the line here. That'd

614
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Speaker 1: be fun. All right, that's going to do it for us.

615
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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Right here on MOVI, the

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Speaker 1: Sticks want to mot