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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Diddy raging over last week's tout Sea roll reveal as

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Speaker 2: a PR fail emerges, Shawn Combs's PR team discovered actually

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Speaker 2: paying off people outside the courthouse to wear free puffy

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Speaker 2: T shirts. Donald Shard taking the stand testifying that Shawn

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Speaker 2: Combs threatened we could die for speaking out and defending

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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura. This as evidence reveals depraved Ditty constantly carried

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Speaker 2: Allois Vuitton bag stuffed with cocaine, ecstasy, pot Horse tranquilizer,

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Speaker 2: and plan Be birth control. Good evening, I mean, it'sye, Grace,

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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. Testimony pouring from the witness stand all

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Speaker 2: day long and joining us outside the courthouse. Lauren Conlin,

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter star off Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. Tell us what's going on in

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Speaker 2: the courtroom.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Nancy, it started off pretty interesting this morning with

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Speaker 3: Diddy's lawyers actually arguing that the case and the witnesses

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Speaker 3: is becoming more of a gossip chamber of some sort.

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Speaker 4: They are trying to get some.

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Speaker 3: Of the chef testimony that's expected to testify thrown out saying,

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Speaker 3: what does the chef testimony have to do with the indictment,

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Speaker 3: and the prosecution is saying, well, that has to.

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Speaker 4: Do with forced labor.

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Speaker 3: We also saw Don Rochard finish her direct testimony and

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Speaker 3: get cross examined, and what's come into question Nancy is

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Speaker 3: all of Don Richard's previous statements to the government as

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Speaker 3: they appeared to change. And we learn this when the

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Speaker 3: defense came up to cross examine her, and Don Richard

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Speaker 3: actually admitted herself that her testimony has changed based on

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Speaker 3: her memories, specifically after the skillet incident. She testified last

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Speaker 3: week and today that Diddy and Harve Pierre, one of

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Speaker 3: his Bad Boy Record executives, actually said to her that

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Speaker 3: if she told, people go missing if they tell, and

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Speaker 3: the defense pointed out that she had never said this

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Speaker 3: in her statement. Additionally, the government pointed out that she

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Speaker 3: left after a certain period of time working for Ditty

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Speaker 3: because she was scared and he had threatened her and

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Speaker 3: she saw the violence he committed. And the defense said, well,

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Speaker 3: isn't it true that you texted him to work for

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Speaker 3: him again, and she said yes, but she said that

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Speaker 3: she did this for her bandmate Klena Harper at her request.

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Speaker 3: Now there was what I believe in the big bombshell

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Speaker 3: and in celebrity names. Don Richard said that at a

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Speaker 3: in the stomach? And there were other celebrities there like Usher.

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Speaker 3: And additionally, after the government would ask Don Richard about

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Speaker 3: these different occurrences of violence, they would always make sure

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Speaker 2: You mentioned a quote skillet incident, and this is Don

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Speaker 2: Rochard recounting when Shawn comes actually bat Cassie venture in

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Speaker 2: the head with a frying pan.

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Speaker 1: Could you explain what happened?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 3: So Don Richard first testified on Friday that she was

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Speaker 4: La home with her bandmate.

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Speaker 3: They were in this Ditty Dirty Money group or Dirty Money,

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Speaker 3: and Cassie was making eggs at the stove. Diddy came

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Speaker 3: that Cassie appeared to go down in a fetal position

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Speaker 3: and then he dragged her up the stairs. Now, Don

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Speaker 3: Richard during her redirect with the government, after she was

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Speaker 3: doubt that she knows that Diddy hurt Cassie. She was

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Speaker 1: A skillet frying pan full of eggs.

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Speaker 2: Now, you stated Lauren Conlin that Richard has changed her testimony.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious changed it. How exactly?

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Speaker 3: Well, the first thing that the defense points it out

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Speaker 3: that she had about eight meetings that Ditty never said

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Speaker 3: to her people go missing, and this is essentially a

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Speaker 4: Additionally, they pointed out that in.

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Speaker 3: Her civil lawsuit, there was some kind of incident that

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Speaker 4: We learned this in the redirect.

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Speaker 3: So there was that, and there was a couple other

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: So Lauren Conlin. One of the things that the defense

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is pertaining to her civil lawsuit, her twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four civil lawsuit. But what's interesting is that don

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Speaker 3: Richard testified that over time her memory has gotten better

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Speaker 3: because she wanted to suppress a lot of these bad

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Speaker 4: And Nancy, I want to point something else.

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Speaker 3: Out that I've noticed about the jury today, because I

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they're getting desensitized to some of

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Speaker 3: and they are just, you know, kind of blank. Additionally,

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Speaker 3: I've seen Ditty today pass numerous notes to his lawyer.

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Speaker 3: There is a woman doing the cross examination by the

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Speaker 3: name of Nicole Westmoreland Fell that you know, she was effective,

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Speaker 3: but in my opinion, she seemed a little bit nervous

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Speaker 3: but again, overall, she's been pretty effective.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, the person cross examining forgot to say

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Speaker 3: The judge was like, I think you mean objection, and

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Speaker 3: so I'm like, oh, she might be a little nervous.

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Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe a lawyer forgets to

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Speaker 2: say objection. But that's a whole nother can of worms.

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Speaker 2: What about the testimony in chief that Rashard describes an

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Speaker 2: incident where Tom's attacked her because she was trying to

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Speaker 3: She says that he verbally threatened her and that he

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Speaker 3: would always say things like, you know, this is not

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Speaker 4: There was something else that she said that hars Pierre, a.

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Speaker 4: Both say to her.

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Speaker 3: It was something like something about people going to dark places.

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Speaker 3: And I'm paraphrasing here, but you know, if I had

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Speaker 3: the defense really hammered Don Richard.

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Speaker 2: Did she try to intervene on behalf of Cassie Ventura. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and last you were just discussing inconsistencies that she had

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Speaker 2: hinch person that people disappear when they talk. What phraseology,

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Speaker 3: She left that completely out, but said that Diddy said

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Speaker 3: to her what you witnessed was passion. Cassie is is okay?

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Speaker 3: Harry Morgan, Cassie's former best friend, was on the stand

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Speaker 3: and she testified that after the March twenty sixteen incident,

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Speaker 3: and this is crazy, she was at Cassie's house. Cassie

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Speaker 3: thirty minutes later, Carrie Morgan alleged that Diddy showed up

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Speaker 2: Lauren Colin joining me outside the courthouse. I just want

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Speaker 2: to nail down one thing, okay. On the stand, Richard

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Speaker 2: states that she was told people go missing when they talk.

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Speaker 2: She was cross examined about that phraseology. But isn't it

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Speaker 2: true that when she interviewed with the state and when

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Speaker 2: she was on direct examination. She stated that she was

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Speaker 2: threatened by Combs and his cronies Don Richard.

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Speaker 3: And this is through the government as well as the defense.

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Speaker 3: She interviewed with the government multiple times, about seven or

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Speaker 3: eight times, and she did not say that specific line

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Speaker 3: about people going missing. It was more general until about

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Speaker 3: the eighth meeting, the last meeting which occurred in April

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Speaker 3: or May of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: So she has said, oh, we've really really gone. Oh

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Speaker 1: I'll gooschase for this.

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Speaker 2: So she has said that she was told people go

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Speaker 2: missing when they talk in April or May of twenty five.

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Speaker 1: She did say that before she took the stand.

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Speaker 4: Yes, according to the transcripts that she read.

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Speaker 3: But that goes back to her saying that she tried

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Speaker 3: to forget these memories and suppress them, and while working

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Speaker 3: with the government, she was able to recount these memories.

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Speaker 1: Got it.

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Speaker 2: Lauren Colin joining us outside the courthouse. Now let's go

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Speaker 2: to an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Lauren.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Josh Ritter joining us, a veteran criminal

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Speaker 2: defense attorney, former prosecutor, host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. Josh,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. So you say tomato,

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Speaker 2: I say tomato. She in multiple interviews with the state

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Speaker 2: prior to testimony, stated that she was threatened with physical

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Speaker 2: harm if she talked, in other words, told anyone about

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Speaker 2: Cassie's beatings today. The way she did described it was

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Speaker 2: people disappear if they talk, people go missing. I don't

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Speaker 2: say that that says big of a point as the

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Speaker 6: I actually think it is a big point. I mean,

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Speaker 6: we're talking about prior inconsistent statements, the idea that she

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm no memory expert, but that's laughable to me,

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Speaker 6: and I think it'll be laughable to a jury. That

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Speaker 6: is not how memory works. We don't all of a

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Speaker 6: sudden feel stronger and more detailed about our memories, certainly

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Speaker 6: over things that have taken place years and years ago.

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Speaker 6: This is the problem if.

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Speaker 2: It you know, it's interesting, Josh Ritter, I appreciate what

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Speaker 2: you're saying. Let me see, Ritter, because I did not

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Speaker 2: put a lot of stock and repress memories returned until

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Speaker 2: I was prosecuting in the DA's office, and there was

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Speaker 2: a brilliant, brilliant woman who became a very very dear

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Speaker 2: run our appella division, and well into her marriage, she

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Speaker 2: already had a child. She had repressed memories of being

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Speaker 2: molested as a child by a family member, and had

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Speaker 2: repressed it for all those years. And she was just

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Speaker 2: as down to earth as you or I, just not

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Speaker 2: fantastical at all. And I've got to say that helped

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Speaker 2: ruin her marriage because it totally messed her mind up

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Speaker 2: when these memories came back. Now, when this woman had

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Speaker 2: I had poo pooed it for years. In fact, I

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Speaker 2: want to go to doctor Bethany Marshall on this. I

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Speaker 2: understand Ritter's skepticism. I get it, Doctor Bethany Marshall renow

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Speaker 2: it's psycho.

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Speaker 1: Ali's joining us out.

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Speaker 2: Of LA She's the author of deal Breakers, and you

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Speaker 2: can see her on Peacock now. She is at doctor

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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall dot com. Dr Bethany, I always blame the questioner.

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Speaker 2: It's not in my mind that Richard has changed her testimony.

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Speaker 1: It's that the more she talked about it, the more.

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Speaker 2: Facts came out if you do a simple what happened

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Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, the idea of memories is so complex.

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Speaker 1: Sidney.

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Speaker 2: I understand that after last week, the Tutsie role reveal

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Speaker 2: At one point, he would sit courtside and kind of

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Speaker 2: That only made his rage worse. First, you've got the

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Speaker 5: Now this, yeah, Nancy, watching that next game from a

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Speaker 5: We've seen his mom fix all of his children, who

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Speaker 1: Okay, boohoo.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, I want to jump off what Sidney

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Speaker 1: Of that, and then he's forced to there was a

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Speaker 2: Would basically help coach on the side of the court, right,

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Speaker 7: In my phil Nancy, we call this a narcissistic injury.

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Speaker 2: This is about an enterprise, a group of people flying

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Speaker 8: The truth of idity is much much more dook.

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Speaker 2: Evidence pouring from the witness stand and we are allarning

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Speaker 9: Listen, Homeland Security special agent you've seen Binda who searched

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Speaker 9: Shawn Comb's Manhattan Park Hyatt Hotel suite the day of

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Speaker 2: That's not all that was found Seawan Comb's planning a

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Speaker 2: he's arrested. Sidney Sumner joining us, what is astroglide?

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Speaker 5: Astroglide is lubrication for sexual purposes.

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Speaker 2: Nancy, Okay, I'm just curious, Josh Ritter, You're so busy

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Speaker 1: You tell me?

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Speaker 2: After all this, and this is after a federal multi

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Speaker 2: with a hotel room stuffed stuffed with astroglide, multiple bottles

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I don't know where to go with that. It doesn't

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Speaker 6: about him understanding that consent was not being given? Have

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Speaker 2: You're actually making my teeth hurt? Does he understand lack

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Speaker 2: Vuton bag stuffed full of ecstasy, coke, pot Plan B

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Speaker 1: A whole Louis Vuton bag.

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Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner, tell him what was in the Louis Vuton

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Speaker 5: There was quanapins prescribed for Frank Black, which is an

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Speaker 2: Joining me now so we can further explain it to

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Speaker 2: defense attorney Joshua Ritter, renowned chief medical examiner doctor Kendall,

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Speaker 2: Crown's chief medical examiner, Terren County. That's Fort Worth, Texas,

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Speaker 2: star of a new podcast, A Hit Mayhem and the

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Speaker 2: Medicine at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crown's. First of all, what

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Speaker 1: But dummy down for me talking regular people talk? What

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 10: Ketamine is an anesthetic. What it does is it induces

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall crowns. What is clonopin.

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Speaker 10: Clonopin is in the class of benzodiazepines and benzo diazepines

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Speaker 10: It makes you more susceptible.

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Speaker 2: To suggestion straight out to Joshua Ridder or criminal defense attorney.

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Speaker 2: I assume you can hear doctor Kimda Crown's speaking, and

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Speaker 2: I want to quote a medical doctor. One of the

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Speaker 2: used on horses?

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Speaker 1: The answer is yes.

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Speaker 2: So, Joshua Ritter, could you explain to me your nonsensical question?

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Speaker 1: Did did he know there was no consent?

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Speaker 2: The women were high on horse traink ketamine, they were

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Speaker 2: using ecstasy, klonipin and more. And why the plan be

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Speaker 1: Did did he know there wasn't consent? Why do you

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Speaker 6: I want to know from the doctor. Are those recreational drugs?

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Speaker 6: Are they also recreational drugs? Are they drugs that people

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Speaker 2: Want Do you think the plan be abortion peel is recreational?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 6: But I think it might be part of these you know,

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment.

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Speaker 2: Rob Shooter is joining me, the PR publicist for Seawan,

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Speaker 2: former PR, former PR gury for Sean Combs, and see

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Speaker 2: Rob Shooter, question to you, you're hearing about threats from

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Speaker 11: And why yes, absolutely, there are NDAs everywhere. I did

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Speaker 11: life He's a complete control freak. He decides what's in

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Speaker 11: Rob get attention, to get attention. We'd literally be sitting

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Speaker 11: Which is why I have said, and I believe this

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Speaker 8: We're all talking about.

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Speaker 2: Rob Shooter joining a star of Notty but Nice podcast

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Speaker 2: author of the ForWord answer Shooter, what about this pr fail?

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Speaker 2: All we hear all about Diddy's TUTSI role last week?

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Speaker 2: just pouring from Cassie Vterial with a jury looking over

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Speaker 2: at him like upos.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

441
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Speaker 2: Now we hear the latest PR fail where Sean Combs

442
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Speaker 2: as PR. People are paying just by standers out in

443
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Speaker 2: front of the courthouse paying them twenty dollars an hour

444
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Speaker 2: to wear a free Puffy T shirt and the press

445
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Speaker 2: found out about it.

446
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Speaker 8: Pathetic but not surprising.

447
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Speaker 11: It seems to be here that Puffy is really waging

448
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Speaker 11: a two prong war, a legal war and a PR war.

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Speaker 8: PR is very.

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Speaker 11: Important to Puffy. He has spent a lot of money

451
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Speaker 11: on publicists and these T shirts. We shouldn't be that surprised.

452
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Speaker 11: He's done this before. When I was working with him,

453
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Speaker 11: he was trying to get young people to vote and

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Speaker 11: he came up with these T shirts called Vote or

455
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Speaker 11: Died that he sold he made money from at his store.

456
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Speaker 11: So I'm wondering if these T shirts were produced by

457
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Speaker 11: Sean John his clothing lying. If not, then I do

458
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Speaker 11: believe that this would ultimately get out. It's an old

459
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Speaker 11: PR too, It didn't work back then. It's not gonna

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Speaker 11: work today.

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Speaker 5: Excellent?

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Speaker 8: Why are you? Why do you? Why do you feel

463
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Speaker 8: that way? These are our pad for protesters.

464
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Speaker 7: You can get twenty dollars.

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Speaker 8: An hour if you wear a T shirt.

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Speaker 3: She just got recruited, right, you said, no, it wasn't

467
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Speaker 3: worth the twenty.

468
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Speaker 4: No, but like he told me that it's for a

469
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Speaker 4: Getty coin.

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Speaker 1: So oh, I'm not really sure what that is.

471
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they just tried to get twenty dollars to wear

472
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Speaker 4: a fridge fucking shirt stopped. I knew I could tell

473
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Speaker 4: because the lady right there, she just kept convincing me

474
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Speaker 4: to wear to go wear a shirt. And I'm like,

475
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna.

476
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Speaker 1: London, that's what.

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Speaker 4: So that's just twenty dollars. And if you guys were

478
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Speaker 4: do you need twenty dollars? All you have to do

479
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Speaker 4: is wear free PUMM shirts And you said out yeah.

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Speaker 4: I said, did they see how many hours? Thousand hours?

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Speaker 8: And he told me that they like six two thous

482
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Speaker 8: yesterday we're standing up.

483
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, how the mighty have sun that's from

484
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Speaker 2: TikTok At.

485
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Speaker 1: Emily knows everything. Rob Shooter or former PR guru too.

486
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Speaker 1: Sean comes.

487
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Speaker 2: It's better enough to pay people to wear free puffy

488
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Speaker 2: t shirts, but then they get busted on it.

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Speaker 11: Humiliating, stupid. This stuff gets as really really quick in

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Speaker 11: the press. But my sources are telling me it's actually

491
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Speaker 11: worse than what we we just saw but did His

492
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Speaker 11: team has been trying to convince people to just show up.

493
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Speaker 11: They want crowds outside this coursehouse. Insiders are telling me

494
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Speaker 11: that it is really angry that people are not on

495
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Speaker 11: the streets. His ego was so big, is so big

496
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Speaker 11: that he predicted hundreds, if not thousands, of people would

497
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Speaker 11: be outside that court has nobody is really there?

498
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Speaker 8: That's about a hundred or shooter?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, dear, he's really angry this time.

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Speaker 2: Oh so he's mad about his TUTSI role, everybody finding

501
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 2: out about that.

502
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Speaker 1: He is mad about? What is he mad about?

503
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: Throngs of people not coming to the courthouse? Did you

504
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 2: say thousands? He expected thousands of people to show up

505
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Speaker 2: outside the courthouse to support him.

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Speaker 8: You better believe it, Nancy. This guy as a huge ego.

507
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 11: When I was with him, he wanted crowds everywhere, and

508
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Speaker 11: we have if we had to pay for them to

509
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Speaker 11: be there, so be it.

510
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Speaker 8: He has a lot, a lot of money.

511
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Speaker 2: And how do you find people to come out and

512
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: fawn over Seancomes?

513
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: How did you do that? Where did you find them?

514
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 11: You could find people that worked at record labels, You

515
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 11: could find marketing companies, You could find people that would

516
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 11: would find you. You folks to turn up and you

517
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 11: pay them and they wear T shirts they come to

518
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Speaker 11: album signings.

519
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 8: This actually might be very unusual in a legal case.

520
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 11: But in the music business, when you see all those

521
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 11: fans lined outside record stores, quite a lot of them

522
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 11: are actually paid to be there. It's called the hype business.

523
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 11: It's called the business of illusions, and nobody does it

524
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Speaker 11: better than did it until now.

525
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Speaker 2: Okay, Rob Shooter, do you ever feel bad about everything

526
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: you did to prop did he up? Oh?

527
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Speaker 1: That was a lie?

528
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 8: And yeah I did.

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Speaker 2: I did nothing but a rapist and a sex traffic

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Speaker 2: are according to prosecutors, And you're right in there with him.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, Nancy, I hope hopefully I wasn't. I've had

533
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 11: many nights when I thought about this and questioned my

534
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 11: consciousness and what did I see?

535
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Speaker 8: Did I see any red flags?

536
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Speaker 11: And so yeah, I think a lot of people today

537
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Speaker 11: who turned him into a star, turned him into the

538
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Speaker 11: guy is today have some guilds, hopefully a lot of guilds,

539
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 11: and people should say sorry, I have. But I do

540
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Speaker 11: think too a lot of people that worked with him

541
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Speaker 11: are going to say this is totally different.

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Speaker 8: I don't agree.

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00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 11: The fact that we helped make it into a superstar,

544
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 11: helped him become this monster at least act out and

545
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Speaker 11: get away. It looks like what he did for over

546
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Speaker 11: two decades.

547
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Speaker 1: You know, Rob Shooter, you and I go way back.

548
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: You know how I feel about you.

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Speaker 2: Very often, people that I like or respect, or witnesses

550
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: I've never met, they look back and they think, wow,

551
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Speaker 2: I should have filled in the blank, or I didn't realize.

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Speaker 2: I've said that I didn't realize what was happening. I

553
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: couldn't see it when you look back, you know, propping

554
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: him up like you know, you've got a short on

555
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: the stand describing how she saw Sean Combe's take a

556
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Speaker 2: frying pan full of eggs and beat Cassie with it,

557
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: and you know it had to be hot too, but

558
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Speaker 2: still had the eggs in it, beat her with it,

559
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Speaker 2: and people described not she had on her head. And

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Speaker 2: then you've got Harry Morgan. I mean, it goes on

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Speaker 2: and on and there's.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be more. There's gonna be more people. Didn't they

563
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Speaker 1: see anything?

564
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Speaker 2: Or were they just oblivious, blinded by all that money

565
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Speaker 2: and power.

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Speaker 11: It's a really good question. I think a little bit

567
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Speaker 11: of both. I honestly think that I didn't see this,

568
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Speaker 11: But it was over twenty years ago when I worked

569
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Speaker 11: with Puff. It was the beginning of the monster. He

570
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 11: was just sort of forming himself as the celebrity that

571
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Speaker 11: he used today.

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Speaker 8: I was with him in the beginning.

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Speaker 11: Now, I don't think people change, but I do think

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Speaker 11: the power that he gained over the years allowed him

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Speaker 11: to become or at least to express those feelings that

576
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Speaker 11: he had inside. But also don answer. I do think

577
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Speaker 11: about this a lot. Did I not see stuff because

578
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Speaker 11: he was paying me a lot of money? Did I

579
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Speaker 11: not see stuff because I in great restaurants and flew

580
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Speaker 11: on private planes with him? And I hope the answer,

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Speaker 11: I hope the answer to that is one that I

582
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Speaker 11: can live.

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Speaker 1: With crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 12: The defense also questions Cassie on what she meant when

585
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Speaker 12: she told investigators Colms was acting strangely leading up to

586
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Speaker 12: and during the rape. Cassie said Colms was acting nice,

587
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Speaker 12: but strange during their meal before the rape, did not

588
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 12: respond to her screams and crimes during the attack, and

589
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 12: left without any interaction. Afterward, Anna Stavello asked if Cassie

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Speaker 12: thought combs odd behavior may have been tied to his

591
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Speaker 12: bipolar disorder, the first time the court has heard about

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Speaker 12: this diagnosis.

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Speaker 1: His what.

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Speaker 2: Brett Brown joining me, executive director of Surviving Assault Standing Strong.

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Speaker 2: It's a nonprofit whose mission is eradicating sex attacks and

596
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Speaker 2: sex trafficking on women and girls. So instead of putting

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Speaker 2: up a doctor, they get the woman he has beaten

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Speaker 2: for years, according to the State, raped on video, drugged, harassed, threatened.

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Speaker 2: They're asking her if he's got a bipolar problem, if

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Speaker 2: he's been is he diagnosed with bipolar? Maybe that's why

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Speaker 2: he raped you. Can you believe asking an alleged rape victim.

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Speaker 1: Well, wait, maybe he did it because he's bipolar. Are

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Speaker 1: you serious?

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Speaker 4: It's insane.

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Speaker 13: This whole lineup is insane because they're putting both the

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Speaker 13: possibility of bipolar and drug use on her shoulders to

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Speaker 13: decide what state of mind was he in when he

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Speaker 13: committed these heinous crimes. And what's funny to me is

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Speaker 13: they're saying recreational drug use means that he was not

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Speaker 13: responsible for his actions. And in the same time framesane

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Speaker 13: recreational drug use made these women responsible for their actions.

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Speaker 13: And if I remember correctly, the the federal trafficking laws

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Speaker 13: Commercial Sex Act induced by force fraud, a coersion. Doing

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Speaker 13: drugs even recreationally removes your ability to give consent i e.

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Speaker 13: Coercion And if it's in exchange for money, that makes

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Speaker 13: it commercial. So the whole thing is insane.

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Speaker 2: Two special guests joining us Chris McDonough, director at the

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Speaker 2: Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective for my Purposes, former

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Speaker 2: vice detective. He is the star of the interview Room

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Speaker 2: on YouTube. Chris McDonough, If I'm bipolar was the defense

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Speaker 2: or I was high on drugs and alcohol was the defense,

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Speaker 2: everybody in the NBC would walk that all climbed their

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Speaker 2: bipolar and on drugs and alcohol at the time they

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Speaker 2: rape kill Rob fill in the blank.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And doesn't it feel like the Universes

626
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 14: on schedule here? You know, I think astro Glide is

627
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Speaker 14: going to have a whole new meeting in Block four

628
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Speaker 14: where he's being housed. Were witnessing here is a going

629
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Speaker 14: out of business sale with the largest pimp in the

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Speaker 14: world disguised as a music mogul. You know, now you're

631
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Speaker 14: going to put on your past victims to say that

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Speaker 14: you have a mental disorder.

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Speaker 8: It's looted.

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Speaker 14: It's crazy, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: You know. I'm just thinking this through, claiming now that

636
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Speaker 2: he is bipolar to Rob Shooter, a long time PR

637
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: guru too, seawan Coin's not working for him anymore. Rob Shooter,

638
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: did you ever know him to be bipolar?

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Speaker 8: No? No, no.

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Speaker 11: Even though I haven't worked with him for a while,

641
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Speaker 11: I've obviously covett his career.

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Speaker 8: I'm an entertainment reporter. I've never heard of this.

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Speaker 11: To bring it up at this moment, it's so desperate,

644
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 11: it's so wrong, it's so silly.

645
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 8: I think. I hope the jury will see through it.

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Speaker 11: But it's just another instance that just shows you how

647
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 11: clueless he is. And why I say Puffy's clueless is

648
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 11: trust me, Puffy is running this defense. He is out there,

649
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 11: He's telling his lawyers what he wants. He's not the

650
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 11: type of guy to sit back and take advice. He

651
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 11: is running the show, and this is the show he

652
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Speaker 11: thinks is going to get him off.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Rob shooter.

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Speaker 2: There is word from believable sources that he is insisting

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Speaker 2: he is going to take the stand over countful objection.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe he'll do it?

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00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I only hope he does.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you do, Nancy, And you're absolutely right

660
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 11: on a stupid, stupid move. But try telling him that,

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Speaker 11: Try telling him that he shouldn't do this. He's not

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Speaker 11: used to being told No. He could argue, and I

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Speaker 11: would give him some credibility here, Nancy. He could argue

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Speaker 11: he has been a brilliant businessman for the last twenty years.

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Speaker 11: He's made really smart decisions and his bank account seems

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Speaker 11: to prove him right. So it's very difficult having self

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Speaker 11: made people who have made billions of dollars that they

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Speaker 11: are wrong. They don't want to hear it. They're not

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Speaker 11: going to listen. Mindsight is are confirming your reporting, Nancy,

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Speaker 11: that he is he is going to take the start.

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Speaker 2: How I love Fiddy aka fifty aka fifty cent.

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Speaker 1: He has it out for Shawn comes what he just posted.

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Speaker 2: Oh, here is Sean Combs with his former bestie Epstein

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Speaker 2: aka his roomy.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 2: Look at these two Fiddy on the war path. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and that's not all. You've got to see another one.

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Speaker 2: This is from TikTok At fifty cent. Oh oh okay,

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Speaker 2: there he goes. Oh wait so okay, I knew baby

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Speaker 2: oil was going to pop up. Yeah, okay, fitdy, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for that. Let's get back to the testimony.

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Speaker 2: I hope hoop the jury is not questioned and have

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Speaker 2: to admit that they've been watching Phiddie like I have

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Speaker 2: been City Sun rejoining me Crime Stories, investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: What about Carrie.

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Speaker 5: Morgan, Nancy, She is a great corroborator for what Cassie

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Speaker 5: Ventura said on the stand Last week. Don Richard had

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Speaker 5: a little bit of trouble with the defense attorneys pointing

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Speaker 5: out inconsistencies in her story. But Morgan is very very believable.

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Speaker 5: As she first told prosecutor, she doesn't want to be here.

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Speaker 5: She's only here because she's been subpoenas so. Morgan has

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Speaker 5: testified to two instances where she watched Sean Combe's attack

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Speaker 5: Cassie Ventura, and Morgan says he was perfectly sober during

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Speaker 5: both of those instances, and she also testified to when

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Speaker 5: Combe's hit her in the face with a wooden hangar.

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Speaker 5: She was staying at her friend's house. She was saying

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Speaker 5: with Cassie Ventura. Cassy was in the bathroom and Comb's

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Speaker 5: bursts into the apartment, upset, saying things about Cassie cheating,

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Speaker 5: and he strangled her and then threw a wooden hanger

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Speaker 5: at her face, and Morgan says she went to the hospital.

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Speaker 5: She had a concussion. She vomited several times after being

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Speaker 5: hit in the head so hard, and she went to

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Speaker 5: Coles and Kathie and said, look, I don't want to

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Speaker 5: take this to court, but we need to settle this.

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Speaker 5: So she received thirty thousand dollars from Combs in Ventura,

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Speaker 5: she signed an NDA, and she never spoke to her

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Speaker 5: best friend again after that.

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Speaker 2: You know, Chris mcdona and I'm going to go to

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Speaker 2: Joshua around this. I actually like a witness that doesn't

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Speaker 2: want to be there because they don't have a dog

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Speaker 2: in the fight and the skin in the game. They're

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Speaker 2: not pro Sean Combs, they're not pro Cassie Ventira. They're

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Speaker 2: not waving the fly. They're like, I'm here because they

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Speaker 2: got subpoened. I don't want to be here, but this

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Speaker 2: is what I saw.

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Speaker 1: That's a good witness.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a great witness, Nantia, And I think what's

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Speaker 14: really exciting about that is to see these victims empowering

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Speaker 14: them els and taking back that emotional manipulation and control.

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Speaker 14: And that's what's happening in this particular testimony.

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Speaker 2: Guys, right now, we not only remember, but we acknowledge

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Speaker 2: American heroes, typically women from every corner of our great country,

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Speaker 2: that come forward and speak out against rape, against sex, trafficking,

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Speaker 2: against abuse, even though they are facing horrible odds, possibly retribution,

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Speaker 2: possibly losing their job, possibly losing their career, but coming

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Speaker 2: forward and speaking the truth to all of you witnesses,

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Speaker 2: all of you victims. We salute you, and please never

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Speaker 2: be quiet. Thank you to our guests, but especially to

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll

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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow night, sixteen nine o'clock sharp Eastern, and

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Speaker 2: until then, good night,