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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mediamash, a

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Speaker 1: roundtable of Cowboys insiders, dropping wisdom and offering sizzling takes

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Speaker 1: on the current state of your Dallas Cowboys. Now your host,

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Speaker 1: Steve Dennis, Well, hello again, Cowboys Nation, and all you

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Speaker 1: individuals that make it great, especially especially you smart ones

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Speaker 1: that have found us. Mediamash here at four o'clock on

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Speaker 1: this Thursday. We are live from the SWABC studio every

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Thursday at four o'clock, and we're so glad

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Speaker 1: you're with us. Tell all your friends my name is

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Speaker 1: Steve Dennis. Joined today by We're just a threesome today,

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Speaker 1: not a foursome. Nick Eatman had something pressing. Mediamash was pressing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a good point. So you say we should be

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Speaker 1: mad at Nicky. We're devastated, as discussed state, we are devastated. Mahouda,

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Speaker 1: you devastated. Nope, Ma Shoda is ready to roll. I

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Speaker 1: mean that I did the show the other day and

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Speaker 1: you got a yell over Clarence all the time. So

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Speaker 1: I kind of like this a little more casual, a

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Speaker 1: little bit more tough. I've I got more experience yelling

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Speaker 1: over Clarence, twenty four years of it, and I never

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Speaker 1: lost those battles. I can out, ye, well, he's tough, though,

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Speaker 1: I should maybe rethink that. Jerry Epstein from USA Today

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Speaker 1: is sitting right here. And of course John Mashoda from

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Speaker 1: The Athletic and his podcast, name of your podcast again,

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Speaker 1: About them Cowboys, About Them. I listened to every episode.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate that. I've listened a couple of times. I

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Speaker 1: on that. Every time you ask, John, I'll be like, okay,

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Speaker 1: so then the way you signed off this time relative

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Speaker 1: to the way you signed off last time. I'm an

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Speaker 1: avid fan. M all right, It's good to have that

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Speaker 1: in your corner. Machoda is all right. We got a

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Speaker 1: lot to get into in this hour. We will talk

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Speaker 1: about kind of an interesting reaction inside the building to

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Speaker 1: the Jalen Smith release, wondering if it is something to

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Speaker 1: be concerned about or just a little lashing out. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into that, Dak's anniversary from a year ago, got

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Speaker 1: to talk about that. Gotta talk about Dak's dominance over

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Speaker 1: the Giants. Maybe the giants in general. Our first topic coming.

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Speaker 1: But first, is it true both of You's that as

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Speaker 1: soon as it was brought up to Dak today, the

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Speaker 1: backdrop tried to hurt him at his news conference today

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Speaker 1: it fell on him. Was the timing of that correct?

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Speaker 1: The question was about the anniversary and the backdrop then

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Speaker 1: hit him. We can confirm the first question. David Moore

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Speaker 1: of the Dallas Marine News was like, look, we know

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Speaker 1: this like gust of wind comes and the backdrop starts

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Speaker 1: falling on Dak. I mean, it's not a heavy backdrop,

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Speaker 1: but it was absolutely collapsing on him, and Dak, who's

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Speaker 1: already a little superstitious, was like, it's noman, We're not

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Speaker 1: talking about it. I saw a picture. Kudos to Archer

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Speaker 1: Where were you two? The thing weighs nothing. If it

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Speaker 1: It's not like it's this heavy backdrop that it would

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Speaker 1: It's just bad Karmen to talk about it. They should

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Speaker 1: McCarthy had a great I just called him McCarthy. I

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Speaker 1: hope he didn't mind that. It's better than Mike. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of mics around here, fewer without Nolan, but

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Speaker 1: guys ready, Let's ideas questions that seem to have come

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Speaker 1: up nationally and locally. Topic number one Dak Prescott as

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Speaker 1: an MVP candidate already after four games. Yeah, I'll give

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Speaker 1: you the odds in a minute, because Vegas lays odds

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Speaker 1: on everything, including how often jury listens to your podcast.

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Speaker 1: There's a clear bed on that one. That's a slam dunk.

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Speaker 1: So first thoughts on all the talk already about Dak

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Speaker 1: Cowboys roll off like fourteen wins, Dak Prescotts getting MVP.

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Speaker 1: And it is crazy as this sounds, because I tweeted

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Speaker 1: MVP right now. The team I think that's Trayvon Digs. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Will say that they win fourteen games. Deck will still

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Speaker 1: why you play thirteen more games. But I think he's

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Speaker 1: absolutely a candid. I think he's playing really smart football,

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Speaker 1: leading these guys to victory. And I mean you'll see

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Speaker 1: much this flipped around is in large part because of

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. This was such a discussion when they

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Speaker 1: surprised being being in front of the stage when they announced,

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Speaker 1: Zeke and Dak was spectacular. Yeah, no, I have no

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Speaker 1: So right now I'd say the frontrunner without looking is

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Speaker 1: probably Kyler Murray, and Kyler Murray puts up just gross

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Speaker 1: just say he keeps doing that. Okay, Yeah, if they

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Speaker 1: win fourteen fifteen games, I could see him being the MVP.

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Speaker 1: But again, if Dak Prescott leads his team to fourteen

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Speaker 1: be real easy to compare how awful the team was

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Speaker 1: last year without him, and and it's the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no offense the Arizona Cardinal fans out there,

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Speaker 1: but like, if the Cowboys do that, Deak's gonna win

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Speaker 1: MVP because it's most valuable Player, not most productive player

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Speaker 1: contest aspect to all of this, in a storyline contest

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Speaker 1: aspect to all of this, and knowing what Dak came

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Speaker 1: for the New York Giants. Will talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the Giants. What a big kind of remembering weekend.

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Speaker 1: This is for Dak and he's been asked about it,

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Speaker 1: had a backdrop of his news conference attack him when

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Speaker 1: he tried to answer it. Today. We'll get into that next,

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Speaker 1: but right now, and I'm Steve by the way, Jory's

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Speaker 1: here from USA today. She we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the piece that she wrote today too. That is interesting

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Speaker 1: about a friend that Dak made because of that injury,

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Speaker 1: he actually pleased for the Giants. That's coming up too.

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Speaker 1: John Showeder from the Athletic is here. I want to

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Speaker 1: get into this. You guys might not even like doing this.

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Speaker 1: nine for green Bay, got it? Yeah, I just saw

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Speaker 1: he got that. Yeah, it's gonna save him tons of

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Speaker 1: money this time. I don't know. I think that's more

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Speaker 1: I'm not a financial guy. Sure is joy expand on

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Speaker 1: that sun cost thing. He has already paid out the

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Speaker 1: fifty four for the Cowboys and he's not getting that

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Speaker 1: money back. He's not getting back And was it worth it?

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Speaker 1: Four weeks or longer? He wore nine starting win? Was

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Speaker 1: it OTAs or was it after that? I remember? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it happened in May, all right. Two linebackers have reacted

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Speaker 1: a little oddly to the Jalen Smith at least probably

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Speaker 1: not right. But the reaction to Jalen being released is

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Speaker 1: not that big a deal to most fans and everybody really,

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Speaker 1: because the writing was on the wall. They didn't want

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Speaker 1: to pay nine million if he got hurt. We all

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Speaker 1: get all that. It seemed like it was going to happen.

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Speaker 1: And if he's not going to be on the field,

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Speaker 1: why would you make him stay here and ride the

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Speaker 1: he did. So I don't see this as being, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, what a reaction to this news, but all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Layton Vanderesh and Micah Parsons, the two

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Speaker 1: guys who were affected the most by it, really are

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Speaker 1: throw this around. Let's hear from Layton Vanderesh yesterday doing

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Speaker 1: his media duties, he threw this out. What bugs me

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Speaker 1: most about it is when people that are on the

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Speaker 1: outside fans whatever it may be, they want to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: like someone deserves this or someone deserves that everything. They

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Speaker 1: don't realize that this is literally like our livelihoods. We

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Speaker 1: literally could get up and traded the next morning, like

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Speaker 1: the next day, we could be in fifty different freaking states.

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Speaker 1: So people need to realize that. People needn't realize that

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Speaker 1: what they're saying is literally just like nonsense. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's a big problem in the world today. And

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Speaker 1: then you cut that out because I mean we're literally

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Speaker 1: talking about like, we don't go talking about someone else's job,

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Speaker 1: so why are they talking about our jobs As a

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Speaker 1: start crying. Don't get me into that, but the end

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Speaker 1: of my lifelong job in the media, this bothers me.

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Speaker 1: Players players that talk like that don't get it. They

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Speaker 1: just don't get it. They're not like people with normal jobs.

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Speaker 1: And people with normal jobs do have to move sometimes

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Speaker 1: out of the blue, get stationed somewhere else, get relocated,

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and they don't make the kind of

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Speaker 1: money you make, and the fans, hey, your salary, So

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Speaker 1: don't ever get it. Don't ever get it on the

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Speaker 1: wrong side of the fans or the media. And this

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Speaker 1: is the first time Vanderesh has ever kind of showed

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Speaker 1: this true. I don't know if it's the first time.

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Speaker 1: The media is certainly not his favorite thing. And I

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Speaker 1: ask any ridiculous questions today, and we were like, what's

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Speaker 1: ridiculous question? He told us he would let us know

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Speaker 1: if we asked one, which we didn't. Oh, man, I

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Speaker 1: would even before my day, I would have had a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun with that. Well even before this one

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Speaker 1: yesterday he said, why are you guys all coming over here?

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Speaker 1: Go over there? It's like the other players that were talking.

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Speaker 1: So I just I know where you're coming from, Steve.

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Speaker 1: And do I agree with him one hundred percent? No,

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Speaker 1: I think some of the stuff he he makes a

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Speaker 1: good point on the Only thing I will say though,

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Speaker 1: is that it's hard for like you to compare yourself

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Speaker 1: to Laton Vanderesh because of one age and two like

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Speaker 1: you've worked a lot of different jobs like this is

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Speaker 1: all he's done. So that's going to be his perspective

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Speaker 1: of Like is that he doesn't know like about you know,

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Speaker 1: like grinding on some of the jobs you've worked on

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Speaker 1: in your life and things like I think you were

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Speaker 1: attacking how many times I've been fired in my life?

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Speaker 1: That was rude of you, but continue. But but I

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Speaker 1: think that people forget sometimes like how young, that these

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Speaker 1: guys are four solid, four solid bootings. And so when

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Speaker 1: he is your age, he might have a different take

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Speaker 1: on it. But as of right now, you know that's

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Speaker 1: the way he feels, and he's entitled to that opinion

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Speaker 1: even if people don't agree with it. But I would

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Speaker 1: say that Another thing that I wanted to hit on, though,

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Speaker 1: two is the other part about it right now that's

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Speaker 1: different from when you know you were covering the team

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Speaker 1: all the time, is that you say that like Mica

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Speaker 1: said this and Layton said that, Well, you gotta remember,

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Speaker 1: these are the players that are being brought to us.

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Speaker 1: We're not in the locker room where we could just

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Speaker 1: go and grab somebody, and who knows who would have

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Speaker 1: had what to say and who might have been there

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Speaker 1: might have been a backup linebacker that doesn't really could

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Speaker 1: have been, you know, Luke Gifford or somebody they had

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Speaker 1: something really strong to say too. Luke Gifford's not getting

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Speaker 1: brought We're getting five. There's no whispers anymore, right, And

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00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, these they brought out all three

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Speaker 1: line backers at the same exact time. So you had

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Speaker 1: to pick am I going to Layton, am I going

583
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Speaker 1: to Mike, am I going to Kian O'Neill. And so

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Speaker 1: the things that stand out are going to obviously be

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Speaker 1: stuff like that, because he was clearly passionate about it.

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Speaker 1: But it's just a different it's just a different way

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Speaker 1: of covering the team right now. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: that like the same thing with Mica. It's not that

589
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Speaker 1: MICA's overreacting. These are the guys who were bred out.

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Speaker 1: These are the people were asking questions. And it is

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Speaker 1: interesting when Mica, again going back to what John saying

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Speaker 1: about their age, Mica is twenty two years old. Yes

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Speaker 1: he's making a lot of money, and yes he got

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Speaker 1: his dream job, but he's lying in bed watching TV.

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Speaker 1: His mom comes banging on the door being like, did

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Speaker 1: you see this? Like Jalen's not on the team anymore,

597
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Speaker 1: and he said that was his welcome to the NFL moment,

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Speaker 1: So I mean it is you're living your life in

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Speaker 1: the fish Bolt. I'm not saying that like, oh woe

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Speaker 1: was them and this is so traumatic and Jalen's going

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Speaker 1: to be just fine in Green Bay. And I think

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of factors that went into this decision,

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Speaker 1: but I think that it's helpful to have the context,

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Speaker 1: all right, I mean, and he made the comparison Layton

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Speaker 1: did about us and our jobs. That's where I don't

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Speaker 1: like it. But do you know how many times in

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Speaker 1: my life that I got woken up at night and

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Speaker 1: somebody told me that one of my best friends in

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Speaker 1: sports guy. I mean that stuff happens every day in

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Speaker 1: real life to all of us. Now, you're right, they

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Speaker 1: do live in more of a fishbowl and everything is public,

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Speaker 1: but it happens to everybody. Let's get to Micah, because

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Speaker 1: Micah may be even more interesting and maybe a little

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Speaker 1: more troublesome to some of you. I don't. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's a bit troublesome to me. In fact, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: call it Micah's first chink in his armor. He's been

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Speaker 1: perfect since he's been a cowboy, and this could be

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Speaker 1: a little chink in his armor. And I'll explain in

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Speaker 1: a minute. He is going nuts on Twitter. He is

623
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Speaker 1: using social media to again, may be lash out a bit.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Landon was lashing out a bit because he's buddies

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Speaker 1: with Jalen and it hurt. And I get that. And

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Speaker 1: he pointed out that Jalen gave Dan Quinn a message

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Speaker 1: for him to give to the team, and he did,

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Speaker 1: and so they're hurt that their buddy got booted. I

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Speaker 1: get it. Maybe they're both lashing out. Let's discuss in

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Speaker 1: a minute. But here's here's some fun that Micah has

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Speaker 1: had on Twitter. He comes out with his first quote

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Speaker 1: yesterday quote people have been looking, Oh wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's the wrong one. It's sad how many

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Speaker 1: so called analysts go on and talk bad about players

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Speaker 1: and have no idea WTF they are talking about. That

636
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: was a tweet from Parsons. He had another one quote,

637
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: stop asking my football position now, I just played football.

638
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: That one's a little different. Then he got in a

639
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: fight with an alum here of Cowboys media, Manuel Acho,

640
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: who was doing a film breakdown on Fox Sports one

641
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: of Mica and Jalen what they were doing wrong when

642
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: Darnell scored a touchdown and Parsons goes after him. This

643
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: is a former linebacker in the NFL. I don't think

644
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: you have any idea what you're talking about. And once again,

645
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: this is a horrible take. And Emmanuel got back to

646
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: him and said, the big eye in the sky, don't lie.

647
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: My job is to make television. Your job is to

648
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: make tackles. Keep doing you, I'll do me, And Parsons

649
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: answered him, all I'm saying, don't post stuff on social media.

650
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: That's not true. And his point was that you don't

651
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: know the obligations we had as players on that play,

652
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: which we've heard from media members our whole media lives.

653
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: Don't talk about something you don't know about. If Mike

654
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: is going to become a Cole Beasley, sorry Cole, you've

655
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: earned that, or a Dez Bryant and goes on Twitter

656
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: and attacks people, people who are analyzing the Cowboys games.

657
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: Chink in his armor. Yeah, I don't possibly. I don't

658
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: see it that way at all. I think it's that again,

659
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: he's a young kid. He might not react the same

660
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: exact way five years from now, but as of right now,

661
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I just know. I just know in the

662
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: business we're in, I just see on Twitter. I almost

663
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: I want to say names here, but I'm not gonna

664
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: like how that, how that how that they can't even

665
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: handle when a fan will say like, oh, you guys

666
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: are doing this because you know you're just sucking up

667
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: to Jerry or whatever, and they think they know what

668
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: we do and they don't have an idea, and there's

669
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: media members that will fire back at these fans, and

670
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: I'll be like why why are you wasting your time

671
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: like you're not. You know, it's it's not worth it.

672
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: And these are people that are much older than Michael Parsons, Like,

673
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: there's only so much that you can handle, especially when

674
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: you believe that what this person is saying is completely wrong.

675
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: I mean when it's something that your whole life is

676
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: dedicated to and you're in these meetings and you were

677
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: in the right spot and some guy in the TV

678
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: show who wasn't in that room is saying, oh, I

679
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: played in the NFL. You were supposed to be here.

680
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: I can see how you can get real passionate, and

681
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: especially when you're an elite player like Micah and you

682
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: can't compare him to Cole Beasley because Cole Beasley never

683
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: have ever made the impact that Michael Parsons is making.

684
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley would be the third wide receiver on that team,

685
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: and then he'd go in and he'd tweet a lot

686
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: of stuff. And then obviously now it's taken to another

687
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: So you're saying, if they're a really good player, they

688
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: can do whatever they want on Twitter. I mean, not

689
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: whatever you want. I mean you can't be sitting there,

690
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, threatening people's lives and doing things like that

691
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: and saying inappropriate things like that. But if you want

692
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: to sit there and defend your team, defend the way

693
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: a play went, defend a teammate who just got traded, Yeah,

694
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. I mean, that's today's age. These

695
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: these kids, you know, social media is like all part

696
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: of their lives. Like they've dealt with this. They're entire

697
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: This isn't anything new like to us, you know. I mean,

698
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be forty. I mean, it's still kind of

699
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: a relatively you know, last ten years, fifteen years thing

700
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: for me. This has been their entire lives. That's how

701
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: that they're going to be. I still don't think Michael

702
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: Parsons will respond the exact same way ten years FI

703
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: real quick, Joy, I want to before we hear from

704
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: you on this, I want to say this. Media members,

705
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: you know this. This is important Acho too. This is

706
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: what he does now for a living, and he takes

707
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: it very seriously. They never think of that. And I

708
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: love social media. It's less damaging than mail used to be.

709
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: I led the league in hate mail when I criticized

710
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: Tony Romo criticized him and got hundreds of hate letters.

711
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: And let me make this point. The one guy who

712
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: was never bothered by any of my criticism of him

713
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: was Tony Romo. He gets it. He used to come

714
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: up to me and goes, hey, I get it, I

715
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: get it. You got a job to do, That's part

716
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: of it. I'm the quarterback of the Cowboys. Say whatever

717
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: you want, but none of your hate mail was seen

718
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: by anybody else other than you, because I'm not like

719
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: that reporter. If Emmanuel Acho sent a letter to Michael

720
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: Parsons and Michael Parsons went and got a stamp and

721
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: wrote a letter back to him, we wouldn't even know

722
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: this is going on. But that stuff is out there

723
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: for everybody to see, so everybody can can share whatever.

724
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's tons of letters that people wrote to

725
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: you that if you if that was done on Twitter,

726
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: there'd be a lot of people that have been like, Wow,

727
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: these people are insane. I can't believe. And then there's

728
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: a lot of suff that they probably wouldn't say because

729
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: it is on Twitter. But I think a personal letter

730
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: is way different than social media. Well, I would say

731
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: two things. The first is that I hope that as

732
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: we build those relationship with these players and we try

733
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: and tell stories of guys like Mike and treyvon An,

734
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: et cetera, that everyone can keep in mind that there

735
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: is a difference between those of us who are out

736
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: here having these conversations every day and then trying to write,

737
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: whether it's news or analysis or features. Yes, going on

738
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: a radio or TV show nationally or locally to give

739
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: their opinions and to start up a conversation. Both are okay,

740
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: and there's room for entertainment, analysis information. But you just

741
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: got to say that because I think it can be

742
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: frustrated when we end up getting the brunt of that. Well,

743
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: you've got to own up to You got to stay

744
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 1: in there in in my day now. You guys haven't

745
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: been able to do this for a couple of years now,

746
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: but oh yeah, stay in there in the locker room

747
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: and just let him come to you. Oh man, I

748
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: will never forget after the one game when Daz just

749
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 1: lost it on all of us and it was because

750
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: of some random like it wasn't even like a cowboy's blogger.

751
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: It's just a fan twinted something fix it rich and

752
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: he like mean, we were pretty we were pretty scared. There.

753
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: There was a group of us that were like, I

754
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: don't think he's mad at me, but I mean pacing

755
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: back and forth, like screaming at a group of us,

756
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: and it's like, dude, he was deaz try Jay Ratliffe

757
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: coming at you in the locker room at six foot

758
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: what was he rookie six foot eight, three hundred and

759
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: whatever pounds of fury. But I think another thing I

760
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: would say is that it's interesting you say that he

761
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: didn't handle this well because Micah's last response to Emmanuel

762
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: he ends by saying, all I'm saying, as you mentioned,

763
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: don't post stuff on social media that's not true until

764
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: you actually know the coverage and job obligation of each

765
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: player on the field. Because actually me and Jalen was right.

766
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: So what I think is actually a win and something

767
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: I would give him credit for us. He's not saying

768
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: and Anthony Brown was wrong, or Layton was out of place,

769
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: or Casey should have been here, Like he's not throwing

770
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: his teammate under the bus to try and defend himself.

771
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: But and I'm not saying that we know for sure. Again,

772
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: he said, I don't know their obligations, but it is

773
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: possible that they weren't the ones who blew the coverage,

774
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: and there are times we're talking to Dan Quinn and

775
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: we're like, Anthony Brown looked like he didn't make that,

776
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, but Donovan Wilson over here tripped

777
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: on the play, so Anthony actually wasn't the right place.

778
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: And there's only so much you can do in real time.

779
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: So I will say that, although it is a slippery

780
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: slope engaging on social media, I think there's also a

781
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: difference if Mike had been going after Joe Schmo with

782
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: four fans for someone who has experience with the Cowboys

783
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: organization and a national following, and I don't think I

784
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: think that I'm a little bit interested in the way

785
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: he went about this attack and not just the attack.

786
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: And if you're going back to John's point about how

787
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: good he plays, do I personally think it's productive and

788
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: healthy for my life to do this, No, that's not

789
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: my style. Do I think that the Jalen Ramsey's and

790
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: the desert and all those of the world for a

791
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: while we're able to play productively and go after that?

792
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's just kind of how they are.

793
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: And if it works for them and if it fuels

794
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: their fire, I don't think that it's going to be

795
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: causing a problem in the locker room. Well, I just

796
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: think passion is wonderful. Um and you always want I

797
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: love passionate people, always have UM, be as passionate as

798
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: you need to be and whatever job you're doing, and

799
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: and and show that. But uh and and these young players,

800
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: like you said, are so much more used to social

801
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: media than the previous generation that it's just normal stuff now.

802
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: But still, all he had to do is be nice

803
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: to a manual. All he had to do instead of

804
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: going after him is say, hey, dude, you played the game.

805
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: I could not disagree with you. That was not my coverage.

806
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: And or do what you're what what players should do

807
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 1: and if they pay attention and listen, you'd like this

808
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: media member because they're on their toes this one not

809
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: so much this one, and just put it in your

810
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: in your mind. Okay, Acho is somebody that I don't

811
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: think is any good. But take that away. What if

812
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: he is wrong about that? At what if Acho is

813
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: wrong about it? In in MICA's like, yeah, that's not

814
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: right and he really believes didn't just ignore him and again,

815
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: let people tell mis truth about you. If that's what's

816
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, you can't attack everybody who is good. Again,

817
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: he's not Joe Schmo on the street. He's going on

818
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: a national television and show and saying this, and MICA's saying,

819
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: I don't want the national narrative to be something I

820
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: think is false. Well, I don't think it's no. Yeah,

821
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: to me, it's worrisome if a player is going to

822
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: go after any media member saying anything about I think

823
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: attack is strong. I don't think it was an attack.

824
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: We like you say, the whole world can see it. Yeah,

825
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: he's getting nitpicky. Oh no, leave me alone, Leave me alone.

826
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: You're wrong. Come on, man, this the big leagues. It's

827
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: the big leagues. Acho is doing his thing on a

828
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: big stage. He's doing his thing on a big stage.

829
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: Just roll over, forget it. Okay, maybe he tells landed,

830
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: How do you know he is an idiot? He didn't

831
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. How how you know he hasn't

832
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: rolled over one hundred and twenty five other times and

833
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: this is just the one time that Like, how do

834
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: you know he hasn't let the last stuff go? But

835
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: there's just one time. I mean, you can't be perfect

836
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: all the time. I don't see a pattern here where

837
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: he's doing this all the time. He's having a bad

838
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: week on Twitter. I think now again, it may just

839
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: be lashing out because he's hurt. But if he's going

840
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: to become this guy on Twitter chink in his armor,

841
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: that's my opinion. You know what other image comes to mind,

842
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: But this is a little bit unrelated. But when I

843
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: think of what Mike is doing now and how the

844
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: locker room would respond, I think of that Cowboys at

845
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: Washington game last year when Andy Dalton gets hit really

846
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,640
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863
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864
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865
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Speaker 1: Steve Dennis, Jerry Epstein USA Today writing a fabulous feature

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Speaker 1: story today which we'll get into in just a minute.

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Speaker 1: Joma shouda from the Athletic are threesome today. We hope

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Speaker 1: everything's okay with Nick Eatman. We'll get back with him

917
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Speaker 1: next week, all right. So here we go with DAK

918
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Speaker 1: against the Giants, which is a mouthful first of all, because,

919
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: and I'll get this out of the way, he owns them.

920
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: He just ridiculously owns them seven and two in nine games,

921
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: twenty three hundred and sixty seven yards, seventeen touchdowns against him,

922
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: both most against any opponent. He has thrown for three

923
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: or more touchdowns in four of the nine games against him.

924
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: When the Giants are in town, get ready for the

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00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: DAK show. That's point number one, point number two. Always

926
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: got the big anniversary on his mind, would you guys?

927
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: Just you bad media just keep bringing that up all

928
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: week in front of him. Well on the Giants point

929
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: real quick, I mean, and this is nothing against DAK,

930
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: but like Deck's been playing the league since twenty sixteen,

931
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: Like how good of the Giants been since twenty sixteen?

932
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: Not very good? And Jason Garrett's greatest strength as a

933
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: head coach here in that stretch was just besting the

934
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: NFC East. I mean, he knew how to prepare his

935
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: team so well for the division and it was the

936
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: out of division and out of conference opponents that were

937
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: the problem. Then, yeahs, Deck's great against the entire NFC

938
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: is not just not just the Giants. But I just

939
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: don't think the Giants have been very good for the

940
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: majority of the time that Deck's been the quarterback, So

941
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: that probably factors in a little bit. It's not their

942
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: greatest era, it's not the NFC. E's greatest here and

943
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: it continues, that is for sure. We'll get a little

944
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: more specific about the Giants here. But to the anniversary idea,

945
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: which is probably uncomfortable for Dak talked about this yesterday.

946
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: I think it would be difficult for him to that

947
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: for that to be top of mind to everybody. Um,

948
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: it's just to me, it's bad, carm and even talk

949
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: about it. Let's just play the game, and but I

950
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: know that's not the way it works. Nice stories and

951
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: reactions are written about it. It was a horrible moment

952
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: and he's overcome it, and now he has to sort

953
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: of revisit it because the NFL decided to play the

954
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: Giants almost exactly on the one year anniversary of it. Yeah,

955
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: I knew what it was doing with the storyline. We

956
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: argued that yesterday Michell did I don't believe that. I

957
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: don't know that. I didn't. I don't believe it. I

958
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: think the thing I believe The word I used is sick. Yeah,

959
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: it's pretty sick sick of them to do. That's one

960
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: thing that, like I said, are the point I made was,

961
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: it's one thing to sit there and be like, hey,

962
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: it'd be really cool if Tom Brady sets the all

963
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: time passing record when he goes back up to foxbro.

964
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: It's another with like an injury like that, in a

965
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: gruesome injury that ended a guy season, to be like, hey,

966
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: let's put that on the same day again. Everyone will

967
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: be talking about him. That's why you're a big fan

968
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: of his podcast. Right there, That is exactly the point. No,

969
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: I think it's I'm not saying that they should have

970
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: done this, but when you look at the way this NFC,

971
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like, oh, they need to get

972
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: all these NFC East games in right now, No, they

973
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: have like this is their last one till I believe December,

974
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: maybe the very last weekend of November. This is it's

975
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: one day short of the anniversary. Same place same team.

976
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: This is not so to your word sick, which I

977
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: think is a perfect word. I picture whoever that dude is,

978
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: or dude who is making the schedule, go oh, look

979
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: at here, look at here. This October day will be

980
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty four days. Let's put the Giants

981
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: in there. So Dak has to put up with questions

982
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: about it the entire week. That is indeed sick. Well,

983
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: he was gonna have to put up with questions whenever

984
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: they played the Giants again. But if it wasn't the

985
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: year anniversary, it wouldn't be a giant d I think

986
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: because of Jason Garratbin in the sideline, I think it was.

987
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: It's still going to be. It was just like everything

988
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: about that, I think it was going to be a

989
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: big deal. And I think the longer you're around this,

990
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: the longer you is Like people do things like that

991
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: not inten to be sick. Maybe I'm just too charitable here,

992
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: but like I could see someone being like, oh, that

993
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: would probably be meaningful. He could fully have its closure

994
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: and redemption and thinking that's what they were doing. That's

995
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: so sweet. You closure and redemption like week one and

996
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: get it over with like That's when I had like

997
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: me as a reporter. That's when Mike, when I saw

998
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: domickin Sue land on him as he got the throw off,

999
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, he's he's good. Yeah. I mean,

1000
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Speaker 1: if you have a spinal injury and lose both your legs,

1001
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: the time to revisit is when you're first up and

1002
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: walking again. Hey, look you can walk on your legs again.

1003
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: That's a big moment. The year anniversary. Of course, I

1004
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: hate our anniversaries anyway, we do it with everything. Do

1005
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: you remember yours? Typically? Oh? Which ones you're? Oh? Absolutely,

1006
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Speaker 1: you can't forget that. I forget the how many I'm

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Speaker 1: in the forties now and I'm kind of alwa his track, Well,

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Speaker 1: not marriage but anyway, Um, do you think she listens

1009
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Speaker 1: to the show? Not a chance in it. Not chance.

1010
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: She used to watch me play golf in high school.

1011
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: She wouldn't watch. She would rather eat dirt than watch

1012
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: me hit a golf shot. Now, and she used to

1013
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: be out there all cute with my little Ohio State

1014
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Speaker 1: jacket on went downhill after you got that oh on

1015
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Speaker 1: your keyboard, Well that was my daughter's fault. And by

1016
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Speaker 1: the way, we haven't heard from our daughter all week listening.

1017
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Speaker 1: That little girl think is on my nerves. I can

1018
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: guarantee you there's no chance that she's listening. I think

1019
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: I think that she just figures that she listens to

1020
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: your podcast. She doesn't have to call you tech. Yeah,

1021
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: she's got the big Maryland homecoming game this weekend. That

1022
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: all right, let's get the jury here. Let's get the

1023
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: jury's genius. You wrote a story that you just put

1024
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter today. I assume it's in the USA today tomorrow.

1025
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: That'd be nice, wouldn't. We'll see it wasn't all right?

1026
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: What do you mean if they're not going to not

1027
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: put it in the presentation. We live in a web world, Steve,

1028
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: web First, all you cares about the web? You don't

1029
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: care about I'm making the decisions. I made sure to

1030
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: see my editors don't listen to this isn't If they do,

1031
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: it'll be funny. I made sure to becc the print

1032
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: guy on the email one. Yeah, Jory's family members need

1033
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: the print copies of this. That's nice. The story has

1034
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: to do with Dak's anniversary, but it was a lovely

1035
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: story about his anniversary. Quick synapses from Jory Epstein, Well,

1036
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Speaker 1: thank you first, I'll see, I appreciate you saying that,

1037
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 1: but yeah, so I it turns out that after Dak

1038
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: got hurt last year and it was Giant safety Logan

1039
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: Ryan who made the tackle and it wasn't I mean,

1040
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: it was a routine tackle, was Nankees trying to hurt him?

1041
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: Logan felt terrible, and Henderson the contract implications. Logan had

1042
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: actually broke his own leg a couple of years earlier,

1043
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: and during that time really dove deep into the Kobe

1044
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: Bryant mentality, read Kobe's biography as well as a book

1045
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: called Relentless by Tim Grover, who trained Kobe, among others,

1046
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: And so Logan had his publicist send Dak a letter

1047
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: wishing him well and those two books. It's sort of like,

1048
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: I've got your back. I want you to know I'm

1049
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: reading for you in this rehabilitation. So I talked to Dak,

1050
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: I talked to Logan, and I talked to Tim Grover,

1051
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: that trainer, about what it meant that Dak was using this.

1052
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: Because again, when you send a guy, especially a guy's

1053
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: a quarterback of the Cowboys, these books, you don't know

1054
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: will he ever read it? Will they resonate with him?

1055
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: And Dak has said that this book relentless and studying

1056
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: the greats and understanding how they performed at their best

1057
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: and how they came back from injury as he dealt

1058
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: with that really impacted his mentality and helped inspire him.

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00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: Was it his only source of inspiration. No, but I

1060
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: think I think it was definitely a key one. And

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00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: I'll land it off by saying that Logan said, He's like,

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00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: this was bigger than Cowboys Giants. That's just absolutely wonderful.

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00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: And what's even more wonderful than that is somebody went

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00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: to the Giants locker room today and I asked Logan

1065
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: Ryan about sending the books and should he get paid

1066
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: back from Dak and he goes, yeah, just have him

1067
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: throw it right to me on the first pass and

1068
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: that'll be payback enough. But yeah, Giants priced to lose

1069
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: by ten. But sorry that that is a nice comment

1070
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: from Logan Ryan. Two. Logan Ryan, in the back end

1071
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: of this Giants defense had nine tackles against the Saints

1072
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: last week. Giants played well. They won for the first time,

1073
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: and who knows really what the Saints are week to week,

1074
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: But I think the Giants played their best game of

1075
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: the year, and they're starting to come. Say Quon Barkley

1076
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: had a say Quon Barkley type of game where he

1077
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: caught it for seventy four yards, ran it for fifty

1078
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: some and two touchdowns, one each. Daniel Jones threw for

1079
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: four hundred yards. He's averaging two hundred and ninety six

1080
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: per game. I mean the Giants Gala Day finally one

1081
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen yards. They look like they've got a

1082
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: number one receiver and that was the intention when they

1083
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: threw all that ridiculous money at him. Are the Giants

1084
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: kind of coming a little bit for this matchup against

1085
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: the COLU? I think it's tough to say off of

1086
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: just one game, mainly because like you said, it's you

1087
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: just really don't know what the Saints are. You're basing

1088
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: a lot just off of the Saints. You know, if

1089
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: you think the Saints are absolutely for real, then yeah,

1090
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: then this is a big step. But you need more

1091
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: than just one game to say, Okay, now they're starting

1092
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: to click, and so you know, like I think I

1093
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: said yesterday, I do think that this is Mike McCarthy

1094
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: loves this because if they lose that game then then

1095
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: it's like I could see the Cowboys kind of just like, yeah, whatever,

1096
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: it's the Giants, they're own for whatever. But they come

1097
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: back and they win this game in New Orleans like that,

1098
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: Like that's gonna raise some eyebrows, Like, man, we better

1099
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: take them serious. Not to mention the fact that there.

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00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're happy with how much Sam

1101
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: Darnold ran all over them, particularly with the touchdowns he scored.

1102
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: And you know Daniel Jones could do that too, So

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00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: I think that this probably brings a little bit of

1104
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: extra focus because of where they're at. But I need

1105
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: to see them. I need to see more from the

1106
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: Giants to believe like, oh no, they've turned this corner

1107
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: and here we go. This team's for real. Jory, why

1108
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: didn't Machoda or somebody else while you were writing about

1109
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: Logan Ryan right about big I had Jason Garrett coming

1110
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: back to a teen and two stadium, John Well cover

1111
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: this team for a long time. When was the last

1112
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: time you heard the adjective's big bad before Jason Garrett.

1113
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say big bad Garrett bringing out

1114
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: hot offense. I'm in a subscription business. I try to

1115
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: write about things that I think we'll get subscriptions. Oh

1116
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: very well, said, uh no, nobody's gonna write about big

1117
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: bad Jason Garrett. But I'll have the runthing in my

1118
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: note my notebook on Saturday. But I didn't. I'm talking like,

1119
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: I mean, we're past the like like for the athletic

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00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: for me to write something in the middle of the week,

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00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be like, you know, fifteen hundred

1122
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: words at least a thousand and so what is there

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00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: really right about this? That? Oh that that things aren't

1124
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: going well for Jason Garrett in as the offensive cornere? Like,

1125
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: how many Cowboys fans really want to read that? I

1126
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: did ask Amari today. I'm like, look, it's been a

1127
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 1: couple of years, but do the guys on the defense

1128
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: still ask you, like, how do we prepare for a

1129
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett offense? And He's like, yeah, not really, no

1130
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: one's asked me. I think they've asked Dak. But I

1131
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: also think what's interesting is that I think, I mean,

1132
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: this is Jason Garrett is hardly the only coach in

1133
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: the league who has very close ties and understanding to

1134
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: another team. That's very common in the NFL. That said,

1135
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: I actually think it helped him a lot more at

1136
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: last year than it was this year because when you

1137
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: look at this defense, this is such a different defense,

1138
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: particularly with personnel, than they had in his time with

1139
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. So, you know, a big, bad Giants offense. Yeah,

1140
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: that's that's a reach. But Andrew Thomas, number fourth pick

1141
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty draft, is playing good football at

1142
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: left tackle for them. You know, the Kadarius Tony sort

1143
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: of had his final coming out core Shepherd's hurt and

1144
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: Slay's hurt, but Tony had a game against the Saints.

1145
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: They've got some pieces. They can be a problem. I

1146
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: think on offense they can be a problem. But I

1147
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: just think even if the defense can do a little bit,

1148
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't think their defense is equipped to handle what

1149
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: this Cowboys offense has become and their defense is underachieving.

1150
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: Tell me playing horrible. If you tell me the Giants

1151
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: win this game, I would say the most likely Well, no,

1152
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the most likely scenario is that

1153
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: we see that little bit of the Cowboys from last

1154
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: year that we haven't seen this year yet, and that's

1155
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: where they they're turning the ball over, Deck throws a

1156
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: couple of picks. Zeke fumbles and stuff like that. We

1157
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: did see it a little bit. We thought we thought

1158
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: we saw it with Dalton Schultz. Turns out though, that

1159
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: he goes to church with several of these rep No,

1160
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm no, but it looked like you were getting a

1161
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: little bit back to that. I'm wondering if that game

1162
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: happens in the near future, that where it's just like

1163
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes stuff just happens. You know, you cough

1164
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: the ball up a couple of times, and all of

1165
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: a sudden you're giving them extra possessions and things start

1166
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: going in their way. But if the Cowboys offense doesn't

1167
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: turn the ball over. To Jory's point, I don't think

1168
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: that this this Giant's defense can shut them down. So

1169
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: you don't think Another thing is I don't fully trust

1170
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: this Cowboys defense on the field. Yet they still have

1171
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: places with liabilities. They still have a problem with the

1172
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: deep ball and letting a big plays. But when I

1173
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: think about, like if I'm going to war with these guys,

1174
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: if I'm out there on this defense this year versus

1175
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: last year, which is the thing I'm not, that sounds terrifying. Then,

1176
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: like knowing that if sae Quon takes off a guy

1177
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: like mic is out there to come after him, or

1178
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: that if Daniel Jones tries to try something tricky with

1179
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: sa Quon, Treyvon Diggs might make him pay. Like you

1180
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: have guys you can depend on to make place now.

1181
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: And even if we can't expect Treyvon to make to

1182
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: intercept a pass or two every single week, there are

1183
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: guys they have to be concerned about. See, I would

1184
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: be concerned about all the questions about Dak's anniversary. Maybe

1185
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: in his head and then maybe he spits. He spits

1186
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: the ball up. Now this defense is if this defense

1187
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: I was let's say, oh, I don't know when me

1188
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: think of a defense, Oh, I don't know. The Tampa

1189
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers are they opened up with that was that

1190
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: to me was the measuring stick everything about that game.

1191
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: When I saw how he played in that game, I

1192
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: didn't care about any of the story I mean, no offense.

1193
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: I understands the great storyline, but I didn't care after

1194
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: I saw that game because that's the best competition that's

1195
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: on the road. That's a late, late game situation. Again,

1196
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: the goat like they're getting a Super Bowl ring. Talk

1197
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 1: about his mental toughness and ability to have the mental

1198
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: clarity and not think about the ankle. The first play

1199
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 1: of that game, not only does he complete that twenty

1200
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: eight aired pass to Amari Cooper, he audibled on that place,

1201
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: so like he had plenty of clarity on what's gone

1202
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: calmed down. I was only kidding, But Clarence isn't. Here's

1203
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: someone's gotta yeah. Yeah. And let's keep in mind when

1204
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: he audibled on that play, he audible to empty behind

1205
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: a center that clearly there's been some issues there in

1206
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: his first game. So and he was one on the

1207
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: two yard line, It's not like he had a whole

1208
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: lot of room for Eric. I gotta throw an audible.

1209
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: We're done, we gotta be done. But I want to say,

1210
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: this is a final thought. The only thing that I

1211
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: would worry about in the Giants game at three twenty

1212
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: five Sunday, as Jason Garrett loved to say, the sunlight

1213
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: coming into either well, A lot of dealt with that.

1214
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: A lot of people. It's like crazy on that. No,

1215
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: I would be concerned that everything is going great, and

1216
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: when everything's going great, usually the opposite happens. For a minute.

1217
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: That would be the only thing, Oh my god, everything

1218
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: is going great. This team is awesome. They're gonna They're

1219
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: gonna win the Super Bowl by three touchdowns and then boom,

1220
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: here come the Giants. Oh and you know what I

1221
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: would say to that, That's the only reason I would

1222
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: be in Last year, I kept saying like, once the

1223
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys show us they can overcome adversity, then we'll believe it.

1224
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying no, guys overcame it in

1225
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: little pieces, but as a whole this year. No Michael

1226
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: gall no, Lahell Collins, No to Marcus Lawrence. Oh wait,

1227
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: you need to finish up on the road against the Chargers.

1228
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: Oh you go into halftime down against the Panthers who

1229
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: have the top defense, and come out and score twenty

1230
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: three unanswered points or whatever that was. I think they've

1231
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: shown that. Yes, there will probably be a moment or

1232
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: two in the game. I don't know that they could

1233
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: have a turnover, some other issues and then get over it. Yeah,

1234
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: they know how to get over They've shown such a

1235
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: difference in their ability to get over it this year

1236
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: than last. All Right, this team reminds me of fourteen.

1237
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: Did you not hear me say we had all This

1238
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: is an important point. This team reminds me of fourteen

1239
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: and sixteen, and in fourteen and sixteen they didn't have

1240
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: those issues like that. Those are the best TU team

1241
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: they've had in the last Decades' team reminds me of

1242
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: But they have the coach now that was hired to

1243
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: get him past that in the playoffs. All right, last

1244
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: last thing, I'll say it's a shift. You want a

1245
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: nice fat was his last thing. I know you want

1246
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: a nice feel good note to end it. A Markeuer

1247
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: basically's message. It was like, and everybody's friends. Whether you're new,

1248
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: whether you're old, with your offense or defense, we're all friends.

1249
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's a good way to end the show.

1250
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: Jerry Epstein, you're awesome. A show to You're awesome. Thank you.

1251
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: Thanks for letting me chat cowboys with you. And Steve's

1252
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: wife if you're listening, Chris Beam, thank you for what

1253
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: you do. I think I'm gonna go home and take

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01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: this BLOCKO off of the O on my laptop. No,

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01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm not go bucks. Everybody, have a good weekend. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you next week. This has been a production

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