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Speaker 1: Sherman podcast went from virtual famn person, Richard, let's talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about these awards. I know, I know

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Speaker 1: you weren't the biggest fan of Lamar Jackson winning the MVP.

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Speaker 1: Do let't just start right there, though, What are your

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Speaker 2: Well, congratulations to Lamar Jackson. He took home his second

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Speaker 2: MVP almost unanimous. Again. Again, the numbers weren't there for me,

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Speaker 2: the others. You know, I thought Defensive Rookie of the

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Speaker 2: had a fantastic year in Seattle. I thought he made

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Speaker 2: Anderson benefited from obviously Houston's run late. He played really

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Speaker 2: their minds were already made up Coach of the Year.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out how Stefanski keeps getting it.

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Speaker 2: He's gotten it two out of the last four years,

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Speaker 2: and not saying he didn't do a great job. You

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Speaker 2: when your team isn't winning divisions, they're not winning Super Bowls,

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Speaker 2: they're not really not winning anything. They got put out

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Speaker 1: Well, it comes down to expectations, and that's why, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it is kind of bs And you're right, what

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Speaker 1: this guy has changed the culture Detroit football. He's changed

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Speaker 2: That's why. That's why these teams it it takes talent

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Speaker 1: So you're right, But Richard, outside of these awards, we

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen a lot of landing spots take place.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what start with Jim Harbaugh. What do you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: You know, you see them certain conversations about trading Khalil Mack,

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Speaker 2: he's been in California his whole career. Just move up north.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know I haven't heard this. I just

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Speaker 1: What's Chicago? And this scares me as a fan of

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Speaker 2: I thought that was the right move. Now, did I

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Speaker 2: We're giving you your shot. You want to be here,

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Speaker 2: If he goes in saying, hey, I got to be

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Speaker 2: You can keep your GM, you can keep your president. Sure,

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Speaker 2: job drawing up defensive game plans, making sure that they're

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Speaker 2: in great positions. He's drawn up some unbelievable plans in

429
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: Super Bowls, even this year, with less talent than some

430
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 2: of these teams that they're playing. But I just don't

431
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 2: see any team giving him the keys to castle and saying,

432
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 2: here go have fun. I think Raheem Morse was the

433
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 2: right job, was the right guy for the job in Atlanta.

434
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 2: You know, three black coaches getting hired in the hiring cycle. Mitchell,

435
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 2: we're in a different place. I'm grateful for the place

436
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: we're in. Drod Mayo getting hired in Boston, Massachusetts was

437
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm interested to see how that media responds

438
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 2: to him if they don't go to the playoffs this year.

439
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying it may get ugly. I'm

440
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: saying it's gonna be different than the way they handle

441
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: Bill Weldicheck when things get ugly, because he rarely had

442
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 2: bad season. But I think that he'll get another shot

443
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 2: if he can do it a different way than he's

444
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,239
Speaker 2: done it. But right now he hasn't proven that well.

445
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 1: You talked, You talked about Raheem Morris and Atlanta is

446
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: an interesting job because they got a lot of pieces

447
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: the John Robinson, Drake London. These guys just seem to

448
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: be so underutilized, you know, misused. What is Raheem Morris

449
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to do to change the trajectory of the

450
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons because they do have a lot of pieces

451
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: in place, maybe outside of the quarterback.

452
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to do what he's done Mitchell. He's

453
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: a great leader of men, and he showed that. I

454
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 2: think his most marvelous coaching job of his career was

455
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 2: last year with the La Rams because they didn't have

456
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: the talent. They didn't have the most talented defense in

457
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: the world, they didn't have all these world beaters. Sure

458
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 2: they had Aaron Donald, but you know, Aaron Donald was

459
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 2: kind of in the Twilight wondering if he's going to

460
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 2: retire or not. But Raheem had these guys playing incredible football,

461
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 2: inspired football. Him and Sean both had it. And so

462
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 2: if you can get that out of those guys, I

463
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 2: think you'll be able to get that out of anybody.

464
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: And they have talented guys and they need a quarterback.

465
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: I don't think desmon Ritter is the answer. I don't

466
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 2: believe Heineke's the answer. But I think if anybody's going

467
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 2: to get the best out of them. It's gonna be him,

468
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: and I know that he's going to bring McVeigh and

469
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 2: Shanahan's scheme to Atlanta. They're gonna use Bajon Robinson in

470
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. They got Kyle Pitts, they got weapons,

471
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 2: Drake London, we talked about it. They got aj Terrell

472
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 2: for another program. On the other side. They got some talent.

473
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Speaker 2: But you need a leader of men to be able

474
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: to get the most out of these guys. And for

475
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 2: a while they were in the playoff race and at

476
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 2: ce South because it was just so down. But I'm

477
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: excited to see what he's gonna be able to do

478
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: because I think he's gonna be able to move the

479
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: needle for this team.

480
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Speaker 1: And the other one, the big one up in Seattle.

481
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Speaker 1: You know, what are your thoughts on their move Pete Carroll? Obviously,

482
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 1: I know it's got to be a little emotional to

483
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: see him leave. I know he meant so much to

484
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: you in your career. Maybe you want to talk a

485
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: little bit about what Pete meant to you as as

486
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: a head coach, and then we'll talk a little bit

487
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: about the new guy.

488
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Pete was an incredible leader of men.

489
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 2: He established such an incredible culture in Seattle that it

490
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: still resonates to this day. Young men still come and

491
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 2: speak speak to this team about the culture that he built.

492
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 2: The men that he coached still come into the building

493
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: and try to make a difference and try to help.

494
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: And even in their coaching search this year, while they're

495
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: searching for their next head coach, a lot of it

496
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: was culture. A lot of it was, Hey, we have

497
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: established a very positive and encouraging culture here. We don't

498
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: want somebody to come in here here and change that.

499
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: We're looking for a little bit more accountability. We're looking

500
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: for a little bit more of a not a heavy

501
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: handed approach, but just a more strict regiment, you know,

502
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: tighter ship than Pete started to run at the end.

503
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: But for the most part, in terms of culture and

504
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: the way that he did things, the way he talked

505
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: to players, the way he communicated, I think he did

506
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: a fantastic job. And so did Jody Allen and so

507
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: did John Snyder. So that's the conversations that they're having

508
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 2: with their head coach, their potential head coaches when they

509
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: come in. I think Mike McDonald is one of the

510
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: most brilliant defensive minds in the National Football League right now.

511
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: And I think the reason that they brought him in

512
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: is because he's so intenuitive. If you watch the tape

513
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: and you watch his defense perform, you'll have there'll be

514
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: six to seven guys on the line of scrimmage and

515
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: you will not know what positions they're playing, or who's

516
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 2: blitzing or who doesn't. Not that that's incredibly unique. There

517
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: are a lot of teams that do that, but the

518
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: way he did it, the way that he utilized Kyle Hamilton.

519
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: At times he's playing safety, normal safety, at times he's

520
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: playing linebacker. I saw him play DN at times nickel.

521
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: And when you see a guy like that, it's hard

522
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: to peg that defense. Like I'm watching defense and I'm

523
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: sitting there, like, wait is rokwand Smith at Nickel right now,

524
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 2: Like there's no way, There's no way he's the middlefield safety.

525
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: And so when you can't peg a defense, it makes

526
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: them very difficult to prepare for. It makes some very

527
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: difficult to create blocking schemes for because you can't predict

528
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: who's blitzing, who's not blitzing. Jadeveon Clowney's that nose tackle.

529
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: You're like, I don't know what to tail the center

530
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: at that point in time. Pray you know what I mean.

531
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: I hope you're a religious man, because you're gonna need

532
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: whoever your person is to protect you on this play.

533
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: Because this guy's built the something that they don't make anymore.

534
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: But I think that he's gonna be a great fit

535
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: in Seattle because they have a lot of pieces on

536
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: defense that you're gonna utilize in that way. They have

537
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: good young linebackers, they have a good secondary. Hopefully they're

538
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 2: able to retain the Pro Bowler and Julian Love and

539
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: Quandre Diggs, but Witherspoon is gonna be used in the

540
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: same way that Kyle Hamilton was. I think they got

541
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: great corners on the outside. I think Tarik Wooland is

542
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: still a great corner. I know he had a down

543
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: year tackling, but he did a great job in coverage.

544
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: The things that he struggled with are career. I think

545
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 2: it's a great fit. Who their offensive coordinator and defensive

546
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: coordinator is is gonna make a huge difference. Obviously. The

547
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: reason they haven't hired a defensive coordinator is because McDonald's

548
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: gonna call the defense. And not a lot of guys

549
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: are willing to walk into a situation where they're not

550
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: gonna get credit. So, well, they get right, it's not

551
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: gonna be anybody, you know. But they apparently see how

552
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 2: to just hire a defensive coordinator, but it's not gonna

553
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: be a big name because he's not giving them that power.

554
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: They're not gonna call the defense, and nobody's stepping in

555
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: if they have other opportunities into a situation where they're

556
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: not gonna get credit for calling the defense. So if

557
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: the defense number one in the land, they're gonna be like, well,

558
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we're not gonna steal your head coach, and

559
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: you don't call the defense, so it's nothing. And so

560
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: you want to walk into a situation if you have

561
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: opportunities to be in a situation where you get the

562
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: credit for calling defense, good, bad, or and different, it's

563
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 2: on you. And so I think that that's why people

564
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: aren't like jumping off the roof to go interview for

565
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: that spot, because same as in Washington, they're not calling defense.

566
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: The head coaches are in time to get a head

567
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: coaching position from no spots.

568
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: Well, for me, it seemed the obvious route was get

569
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: back to basics. You know, Seattle was always known the

570
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: legion of boom some you started for their defense, right,

571
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: and it seemed like that identity kind of shifted over

572
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: there ever since since you guys all left, right, this

573
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: is a smart hire in my opinion. Now now the

574
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: eyes kind of shift a little bit back to Geno Smith.

575
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: Do you do you still have faith in him as

576
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: the guy in Seattle?

577
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I still have total faith in Gino. I

578
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: got faith in Canaan, I got faith in their weapons.

579
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: I think it's tough to win this lead, and that's

580
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: why it was so weird that they fired Pete. But

581
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: I understand, you know, you're ready to move. Jody Allen's

582
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: hearing all these whispers like, well knew hot coaches, like

583
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: we got to try something new, some different. The difference

584
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: is not always better, and I think they'll find out,

585
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 2: you know, over time. But I think McDonald will do

586
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: a great job. I think schematically he's gonna do a

587
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: great job. He's gonna give Kyle problems. He's gonna give

588
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: McVeigh problems, even though McVeigh had some success against them

589
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: when they played this year Baltimore one on that overtime

590
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: pump return. But I think at the end of the day,

591
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: those guys are still good players. DK is still a

592
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: good player. Tyler Lockett JSN is gonna be a good player.

593
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: K nine. Those two tackles are still good. They got

594
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: banged up throughout the season, so there was some shuffling

595
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: on the offensive line. That's always tough to deal with.

596
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: So there'll be some better play next year. And they

597
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: weren't on an awful team. They weren't four and twelve

598
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 2: or four and thirteen, you know, five twelve teen. They

599
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: were a nine and eighteen. They were a winning team

600
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: that just missed the playoffs. And so I think there's

601
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: a lot of optimism to be seen and I'm looking

602
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: forward to seeing what they're doing defensively and if it's

603
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: a drastic difference.

604
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: There was a lot of big names that we expected

605
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: to get, you know, named head coaches that are still

606
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: on the market. What's the biggest name that your surprised

607
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: did not get a job?

608
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: Hm hmm. Biggest name that's on the market that didn't

609
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: get Eric b Enemy is probably the biggest that didn't

610
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: even get a coordinator job, which is which is concerning

611
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: because I don't. I didn't hear the negatives that everybody

612
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: else heard. But now I'm starting to like he's just

613
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: a hard nosed old school coach, which just isn't great

614
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: for millennials, you know. And that's the unfortunate truth of

615
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: how we're doing. They're soft and there they gotta be

616
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: coached a certain way, you know. That's why that's why

617
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: these gots That's why Saban retired from Alabama. He said,

618
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: I can't do it anymore. I've got to pay kids

619
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: and convince them to stay when winning isn't just enough.

620
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: I can't guarantee you a million dollars. I can't guarantee

621
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: you all this. I can guarantee you if you play

622
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: well and you do what I actually do, you'll go

623
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: to the NFL. You'll you'll make a lot of money,

624
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: you'll win national championships. And when that's not enough, Mitchell,

625
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: it's tough because every year, regardless of how well you do,

626
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: regardless of how well you coach, guys are gonna come

627
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: to you having awkward conversations about how much money they're

628
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: going to make the next year. In college coaches, that's

629
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: why they don't coach in the national Footall League because

630
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: they don't want to have those conversations. They don't want

631
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: to deal with that, and so they coach college and

632
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: now they have to deal with that in college. Saban's like,

633
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: all right, I'm done. I'm done. I'm not about to

634
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: talk to this, to this eighteen year old kid who

635
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: does absolutely nothing for my team and try to convince

636
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: him to stay on my team and not transferre to

637
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: Ohio State because he wants to get paid a million

638
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: dollars to sit on the bench for my team. I

639
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: got you, it's gonna be tough. I don't ever want

640
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: to coach college. I don't know if I want to

641
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Speaker 2: coach at all. Maybe in ten years, Mitchell, when I'm

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Speaker 2: done saying what I got to say about the league,

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Speaker 2: I'll give coaching a shot. Hopefully the game has changed.

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Speaker 1: Well, Richard, it's a huge topic and you went there,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna ask you a question about it. You've

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Speaker 1: always been an advocate for college of players getting compensated somehow, right,

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Speaker 1: no question, But how what you just said is it's

648
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Speaker 1: not working the way it is right now? How do

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Speaker 1: you fix this landscape of NCAA sports in general.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the NCAA's fault. You greedy bastards. They're greedy bastards.

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Speaker 2: If they weren't greedy bastards, they would have been able

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Speaker 2: to institute a system already when they first started to

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Speaker 2: have these conversations, they would have started to work on it.

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Speaker 2: But instead they said, hey, we're not going to work

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Speaker 2: on it at all. We're just going to fight these

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Speaker 2: kids tooth and nail and tell them they don't deserve

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Speaker 2: anything while we're paying our executives ten to fifteen million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year. And when you're greedy like that, you're

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Speaker 2: going to always have to deal with the consequences because

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Speaker 2: now now it's Pandora's box is open and you can't

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Speaker 2: get everything back in the box because you lost your

662
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: power being greedy. If you would have said, hey, fine,

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Speaker 2: we'll give each team, each team is allocated fifteen million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year to figure out what they want to do.

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Speaker 2: We regulated like this. We put these rules in place.

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Speaker 2: We policed it like we do every other aspect of

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Speaker 2: college sports. We put rules in regulations. You got to

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Speaker 2: abide by these rules or else there's consequences. There's penalties.

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Speaker 2: But when you lose in court, because you were too greedy.

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Speaker 2: Then you lose the ability to regulate it. And now

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Speaker 2: they're trying to get to the point where they say, hey,

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Speaker 2: the top forty schools, the biggest forty schools, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: regulate you, and hopefully everybody else falls in line. But

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Speaker 2: it's the way you do it is the NCAA needed

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Speaker 2: to do something before Mitchell. I don't know if they'll

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Speaker 2: ever get back to that point. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it'll ever be organized enough or regulated enough that you

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Speaker 2: can keep these kids here, you know. I think they'll

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Speaker 2: get to the point where they're not they're not having

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Speaker 2: kids in college for seven years, eight years. But I

681
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Speaker 2: think they have to get to a point where they say, hey,

682
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Speaker 2: you don't get to transfer, and if you transfer, you

683
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: got to sit out a year under. Otherwise it's going

684
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Speaker 2: to continue to be ridiculous because kids will continue to

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Speaker 2: threaten with that, Hey, hey, i'm your quarterback. I just

686
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Speaker 2: had a Heisman season. They're offering me ten million dollars.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing for me? I'm like, well, I mean,

688
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Speaker 2: we're gonna give you money, but like, we can't afford

689
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Speaker 2: ten million dollars. You can't afford to keep me. I'm

690
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Speaker 2: gonna go to Oregon or I'm going to Alabama, or

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Speaker 2: I'm going to another situation. And it will never It'll

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Speaker 2: never be a fun it will stop being a fun

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Speaker 2: sport to watch if this keeps happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, these guys that's stuck with and grew

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Speaker 1: through a program, you know, they're no longer The loyalty

696
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Speaker 1: of the game seems to be gone, and the NCAA

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Speaker 1: seemed to lose all control. So I don't know how

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Speaker 1: you fix it. But and then on top of that, Rich,

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Speaker 1: you got these mega conferences joining. I mean, the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten just got three West Coast teams or four West

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Speaker 1: Coast teams. I mean, it's becoming mayhem. And we'll see

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Speaker 1: what transpires with it, Rich, But this has been a blast.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you sign us off here as we conclude,

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Speaker 1: you know, our Super Bowl week here at the win.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you guys for joining us again. This has

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Speaker 2: been fun, This has been a great time. Congratulations to

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame class of twenty twenty fourth. They

708
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Speaker 2: got some great guys, some guys that competed against the

709
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Speaker 2: andre the giants in there. Devin Hester, who was with

710
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Speaker 2: us in one of the playoff runs in Seattle, one

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Speaker 2: of the greatest of all times. It's been a fantastic

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Speaker 2: thing to be a part of. Obviously, Pat Willis with

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Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine Ers, had a very short career.

714
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Speaker 2: People were concerned he wouldn't go in when he should have.

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Speaker 2: He should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: Clearly one of the best to ever play the position,

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Speaker 2: but sometimes length of career matters. So I'm grateful to

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Speaker 2: see him going to the Hall of Fame. He's one

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Speaker 2: of the all time greats. It's been a fun time

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Speaker 2: in Vegas. We hope that it ends the way it's

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Speaker 2: supposed to with the San Francisco forty nine Ers win.

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Speaker 2: That would make this week marvelous. Mitchell McCaffrey got FedEx

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Speaker 2: Ground Player of the Year, brock Purty Air Player of

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Speaker 2: the Year. Willis went into the to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: You ended with the Quest for six ending in Las

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Speaker 2: Vegas in the Raiders Stadium. There's some San Francisco forty

727
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Speaker 2: nine fans in the Bay that could not get a

728
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Speaker 2: sweeter gift in their lifetime. Mitchell looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys. Joining us, sticking with us through all

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Speaker 2: these episodes. It's been a fantastic year. Grateful for it.

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Speaker 2: The volume