1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Wel come, it is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Ferguson with you. And you guys know if you listen 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: to show regularly, that the Sinner and I do this 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: show around his Senate schedule, especially when it comes to 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: his official duties. Well, if you are looking at my 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: clock right now, it's about two in the morning, and 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: the Senator's flight, which was obviously extremely late, meant that 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: at this point we still couldn't do the show. Now 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: here's the good news. We have two conversations that Senator 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: Cruz and I had that deal with big tech and 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: also silencing of conservatives that I'm going to play for you. 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: But this is the part I love about doing this show. 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: We do the show all times, day and night, and 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: then sometimes the flights just don't cooperate, even in the 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: early am hours. So now you understand what's going on. 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: Don't worry. We'll have your weekend review for you tomorrow 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: as well. But these are two important topics that I 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: want you to hear about. And there are a lot 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: going on in DC, specifically around the issue of big 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: tech and what they're doing to silence conservatives. But first, 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: there are so many Verdict listeners that have been asking 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: how can you get involved in how can you help 23 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: the people in Israel? Well, I want you to know 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: about IFCJ. IFCJ is helping on the ground in Israel 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: right now. 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We saw a recent report that came out 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: just on TikTok, for example, where they were forty five 52 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: to one stories that were pro Palastinian pro Hamas over Israel. 53 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: That's one example of how they've really been able to 54 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: shape public opinion, especially with young people and the riots 55 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: and the chaos we're witnessing on college campuses right now. 56 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: But there's also something else that's happened with big tech. 57 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: I've been a victim of it. I spoke out again 58 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: against big tech a few years ago at a SEAPAC convention, 59 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: and before I landed home. After I spoke out about 60 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: big tech, specifically Facebook, my accounts were shut down they 61 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: have never worked the same way as they did before 62 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: the reach has disappeared. I've witnessed it, and many other 63 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: conservative leaders out there are going through the same things. 64 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: And it always seems to happen center right during a 65 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: big election cycle, where the Democrats get a free flow 66 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: of information out and conservatives get hammered and silenced. 67 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right. So I started last year as 68 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: the ranking member on the Senate Committee of Commerce, Science, 69 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: and Transportation, and from that position as the ranking member, 70 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: which means the senior Republican on that committee, I launched 71 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: an investigation into the abuse of power from big tech, 72 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: and this past week we put out a major report. 73 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: The report is entitled Weaponizing Terms of Service. How online 74 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: service providers use broad policies to silence conservatives. Now, there 75 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: are a lot of instances that we know about that 76 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: get a lot of publicity. We know, for example, that Twitter, 77 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: before Elon Musk purchased them, suspended the account of the 78 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: Babylon be for making a joke about a Biden administration official. 79 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: We know that both Facebook and Twitter suppressed stories about 80 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: Hudter Biden's laptop before the twenty twenty election. We know 81 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: that Facebook removed posts suggesting that COVID nineteen originated in 82 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: a Wuhan lab we talked about at length on this podcast, 83 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: and a theory that has now been confirmed both by 84 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: the Federal Department of Energy and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 85 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: We know that YouTube took down a March twenty twenty 86 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: one video of a panel discussion with Florida Governor Ron 87 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: de Santis, during which he disputed claims that children needed 88 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: to wear face masks. We know that YouTube, also, which 89 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: is owned by Google, blocked access to a November twenty 90 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: twenty three episode of this podcast Verdict, because we were 91 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: criticizing the corporate media's favorable coverage of hamas, and YouTube 92 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 2: deemed okay, you must be an adult to see what 93 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: is on the network news. We also know in twenty 94 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,559 Speaker 2: twenty two, DirectTV dropped one America news network, and less 95 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: than a year after Democrat leaders in Congress sent a 96 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: letter to the CEO calling on them to stop carrying 97 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: the network. We also know they did the same thing 98 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: to Newsmax. Now I lit Direct TV up and they 99 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: ended up bringing Newsmax back. We also know that Into 100 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: it at the direction of its banking partners, refuse to 101 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: provide payment processing and payroll services to gun manufacturers and sellers. 102 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: And we know that JP Morgan Chase closed the account 103 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: of the National Committee of Religious Freedom, which was created 104 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: by former State Department Ambassador at Large for International Religious 105 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: Freedom and former US Senator Sam Brownback. We know that 106 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: gofund me block the release of ten million dollars of 107 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: donations to the Canadian Trucker's Freedom Convoy. We've seen that 108 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: happen over and over and over again. Well, what this 109 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: report does is it lays out an entirely new area 110 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: of discrimination, and it is using web based products and 111 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: services online service providers to ban conservative organizations from using 112 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: their technology, and it's going after the infrastructure that is 113 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: needed to communicate. And in fact, this investigation reveals that 114 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: online service providers are following a playbook for silencing conservatives 115 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: that leftist organizations, including the Southern Poverty Law Center, which 116 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: is wildly left wing and hates conservatives, and the Anti 117 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: Defamation League the ADL, they together put together this strategy, 118 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: this playbook to quote remove infrastructure services that conservative organizations 119 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: need to operate. And so I'm going to describe that 120 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: playbook and what they're doing in particular. 121 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: When you look at their playbook and this amount of influence, 122 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: I mean, this can change and alter certainly an election cycle. 123 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: It can certainly, I would argue, change a presidential election 124 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: as well. And that's the reason why they're doing this. 125 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: When you think about, you know, you've got millions of 126 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: people that follow you Facebook. I've got you know, over 127 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,559 Speaker 1: a million. But if you turn off and throttle either 128 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 1: one of us, then the reach that we have compared 129 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: to the left, it just disappears. It's the old saying, 130 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: right if a big tree falls in the forest and 131 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: no one's around and it make a sound, And that's 132 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: exactly what they did. But it wasn't just to one 133 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: or two people. They were doing this to hundreds of 134 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: top conservative voices that people look to for their opinions, 135 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: specifically when it comes to election your issues. 136 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: So that's exactly right. And what this report focuses on 137 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: is it uses a couple of key examples. It uses 138 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: number one slacks removal of libs of TikTok's workspace. It 139 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: focuses on event rights removal of event pages for events 140 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: related to Matt Walsh's What Is a Woman documentary, as 141 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: well as an event where Riley Gaines was scheduled to speak, 142 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: and it focuses on Bontera's termination of its relationship with 143 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: Independent Women's Forum, which deprived that organization of major nonprofit 144 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: technology service provider services and all of this follows. There 145 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: was a report that was put out by the Anti 146 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: Defamation League and it is called Bad Gateway How deplatforming 147 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: effects extremist websites And here's what the ADL recommended. It says, 148 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 2: quote deplatforming websites removing infrastructure services they need to operate, 149 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: such as website hosting, can reduce the spread and reach 150 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: of extremism and hate online. But when does deplatforming succeed? 151 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: And here's what ADL explained quote. This report shows that 152 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: deplatforming can decrease the popularity of extremist websites, especially when 153 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: done without warning and they go through We learned four 154 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: important lessons about how deplatforming affects extremist websites, by which 155 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: they mean anything right of center. Number one, it can 156 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: cause popularity rankings to decrease immediately. Number two, it may 157 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: take users a long time to return to the website. 158 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: Sometimes the website never regains its previous popularity. 159 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: Bingo. 160 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: Number three unexpected and unexpected as key. Unexpected deplatforming makes 161 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: it take longer for the website to regain its previous 162 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 2: popularity levels. And number four Replicating deplatform services such as discussions, 163 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: discussion forums or live streaming video products on a standalone 164 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 2: website presents significant challenges, including higher costs and smaller audiences. 165 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: Now I want to go into a little bit more. 166 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: This is what the ADL report. It has an entire 167 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: section that says what is deplatforming? And by the way, 168 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: the corporate media insists when we talk about deplatforming that 169 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: we're making it up. Well, if you actually read the blueprint, 170 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: they are very explicit. The left is explicit. They want 171 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: to silence use. So let me read from this ADL 172 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: report quote. There are three main categories of infrastructure that 173 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: keep websites running. Domain registrars, web hosting companies, and security 174 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: protection companies. Number one, the website must be able to 175 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: register and keep a domain name. A domain name such 176 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: as Google dot com or ADL dot org is how 177 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: visitors find a site. If a website is removed from 178 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: domain name services, it becomes much more difficult, if not impossible, 179 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: to find Number two Web hosting companies and content distribution 180 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: networks provide digital storage space for all the files, pictures, videos, 181 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: and software that make up the content of a website. 182 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: When a website loses its hosting provider, the site's content disappears. 183 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: Losing a CDN a content distribution network can cause slow 184 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: service for high traffic sites. And number three, a third 185 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: category of infrastructure includes companies that protect websites from external 186 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: security risks such as distributed denial of service d DOS attacks. 187 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: DDoS attacks flood a website with fake traffic to overwhelm it, 188 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: rendering it unable to answer normal user requests. If an 189 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: infrastructure company, such as a network security firm cloud fare, 190 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: refuses to provide DDoS protection to a vulnerable website, it 191 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,479 Speaker 2: is vulnerable to being flooded with traffic, rendering it inaccessible. 192 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: So you look at this what we found out and 193 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: what you just went through. The question is how is 194 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: it that these companies, and I'm specifically referring to big 195 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: tech are allowed to get away with this and do 196 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: this to many people that they're in business with. I 197 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: use myself as the example again because I've experienced this. 198 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: When you went into business and I felt like I 199 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: was in business with Facebook. They said, advertise with us, right, share, 200 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: advertise your show, advertise your content, boost your content, spend 201 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: money with us, and we're going to help you grow 202 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: an audience and it'll be good for everyone. And then 203 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they just shut you down and 204 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: they were able to walk away and just say, oh, well, 205 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: you violated our terms of service, or you did this, 206 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: or you posted too many things that liberals posted as 207 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: saying they were factually incorrect. The fact checkers came out 208 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: right the liberals on the left. They were fact checking 209 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: and putting things against conservatives. So they lose their reach, 210 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: lose their ability to boose posts, lose their ability to advertise. 211 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: And it was all being done to clearly influence public opinion, 212 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: and yet they've gotten away with it. So what's next. 213 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: Well, with this report focuses on many of the deep 214 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: platforming steps by Facebook or Twitter or YouTube, they're very public. 215 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: What this report focuses on as the ones that are 216 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 2: not public, which is the back office infrastructure. Let's take 217 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: for example, Slack, which is used for communication for many 218 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: online organizations and companies. Slack canceled libs of TikTok's workspace 219 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: for violating its terms of service and the terms of 220 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 2: service for prohibit users from quote engaging activity that incites 221 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: or encourages violence or hatred towards it against individuals or groups. 222 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: Slack determined that Libs of TikTok violated this policy based 223 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: on three social media posts concerning quote gender affirming, hysterectomies, 224 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: and all age drag shows. Now here's the interesting thing. 225 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: Slack shut down Libs of TikTok's worksplace without any warning, 226 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: without any explanation as to how it is violated slacks policy, 227 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: and Slack's action caused Libs of TikTok to effectively lose 228 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: its use of Slax communications and forced it to rely 229 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: entirely on cell phones to run its business. Now, listen 230 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: to this quote, which is fascinating, Slack told the Commerce 231 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: Committee told my investigation quote. What makes Libs of TikTok's 232 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: posts problematic is that Libs of TikTok has a specific audience, 233 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: and they are taking this information and posting it to 234 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: that specific audience so that everyone in that audience sees 235 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: it at the same time. In other words, they didn't 236 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: even find objections with what Libs of TikTok was posting. 237 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: What they were mad at is conservatives were reading it 238 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: and that was enough reason to deplatform libs TikTok. 239 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: So when you shut down a business in essence the 240 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: way they did, is there any real an instant relief 241 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: for libs of TikTok or others or is this one 242 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: of those they're too big to fail? Right? These companies 243 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: are too big, they're protected and you're the menion and 244 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: just deal with it. And if you're in, who cares 245 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: if your life work is destroyed in thirty seconds because 246 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: they shut it off. 247 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: So right now there is not immediate relief. You could 248 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: presumably file a breach of contract case. The biggest relief 249 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: and the reason I did this report is just sunshine. 250 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: They're doing this in the dark, They're doing this without scrutiny. 251 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: There is right now no federal law that this is prohibited. 252 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: I'll give you another example. Event Bright, which we focus 253 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: is on. Event Bright canceled pages for events hosted by 254 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: college Republican clubs concerning Matt Walsh's What Is a Woman? Film? 255 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: And it also canceled pages for an event featuring swimmer 256 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: Riley Gaines for violating its terms of service. Now critically, 257 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: no one involved in the decision. This is what they told. 258 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: The committee watched the movie What Is a Woman, so 259 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: they never saw it, and they couldn't identify anything objectionable 260 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: in the trailer, So they just didn't like the topic, 261 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: so they decided to take it down. They relied instead 262 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: on Matt Walsh's statements about quote gender affirming surgeries, pronouns, 263 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: and is Johnny the Walris Children's book to reach the conclusion. Likewise, 264 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: event Bright de that Riley gains His event violated its 265 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: policy based on her social media post about biological men 266 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: competing women's sports. They shut down the event page without 267 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: any warning, without any explanation as to how they violated 268 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: this policy, without any way to fix it, and their 269 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: actions ruined advertisements that included QR coach for the event pages. 270 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: So you know, a lot had been done to put 271 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 2: out the codes to say hey, come to this event, 272 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: and they forced the event organizers to quickly pivot to 273 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 2: a new method of providing tickets. And the committee asked 274 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: event Bright whether Gaines's statements. On October tenth, twenty twenty three, 275 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: she posted on Twitter quote real women lack a y chromosome, 276 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: and we asked whether that violates event Bright's policy. Event 277 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: Bright responded that quote the post speaks for itself, so 278 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: they needn't answer that. How dare you say that someone 279 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: with a Y chromosome is not a woman. We don't 280 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 2: even need to dispute it. We have the power to 281 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: shut it down. 282 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: If you've got a cell phone. 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But 325 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: is it going to at least make them pause before 326 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: they do it again? 327 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: Or I'll ask you, Ben, have you seen this on CNN? 328 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: No? 329 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: Have you seen it on an ABC, NBCCBSMSNBC nowhere? Have 330 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: you read it? You read it in the New York Times? 331 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: No? 332 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: No, the corporate media will not cover. I'll give another example. 333 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: So Bonterra, which provides nonprofit management services, so it's back office, 334 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: but it's incredibly important and there are very few providers 335 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 2: of this. They denied those services to Independent Women's Forum, 336 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: which is a conservative organization that is focused on advancing 337 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: women's rights, and Bontera concluded that it violated its policies, 338 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: which require customers to agree to refrain from advocacy denying 339 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: quote LGBTQ rights or denying a woman's right to reproductive choice. 340 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 2: Or denying racial justice or denying climate change, and their 341 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: policies also prohibit customers from quote promoting, encouraging, or facilitating 342 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: hate speech, violence, discrimination based on race, color, sexual orientation, 343 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: marital status, gender, or identity expression. Bonterra notified Independent Women's 344 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: Form of its decision not to renew their contract without 345 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: any explanation of how the organization violated this policy. As 346 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: a result, Independent Women's Forum had to quickly move off 347 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: Bonterra's platform and obtain a replacement services provider. Bontera told 348 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: the committee that Independent Women's Forum violated its true terms 349 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: of service because the organization quote works to restrict the 350 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: rights of the LGBTQ community. Bontera could not explain exactly 351 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: how the group was working to restrict LGBTQ rights, but 352 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: generally pointed to Independent women forums advocacy on issues like 353 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: protecting women's sports and women's spaces. So, if you actually 354 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: think that girls should compete in girls sports, that is 355 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: of view that is not acceptable, and you will be 356 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: denied online basic infrastructure from monopoly and near monopoly providers. 357 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: The amount of arrogance that we see now from these companies, 358 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: you've witnessed it now firsthand. Tells you they feel like 359 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: they are protected by the current regime. Am I wrong? 360 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: You are exactly right. And if you look at at 361 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: event Bright for example, let's go back to Riley Gains. 362 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: So Riley Gains, they shut her down because they disagree 363 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: read about not her event, but about some posts that 364 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: she had put out. What they did not object to 365 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: was an event that we identified entitled Gaza and the 366 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: Struggle for Palestine. Now, that event was flagged by event 367 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 2: writes algorithm, and it was reviewed by its trust and 368 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: safety team, but it determined that that event did not 369 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: violate its hateful Events policy in an October ninth, twenty 370 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: twenty three statements. So two days off after October seventh, 371 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: here's what the event sponsored the Palestinian American organization Networks said. 372 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: It called the October seventh attack quote self defense measures 373 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: and said that quote Israel bears the full responsibility for 374 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: those attacks, and declared that quote the Palestinian people have 375 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: the right to defend themselves and to fight the occupation 376 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: with all means available. We salute the steadfastness of the 377 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: Palaceian people in its resistance. So understand saluting the mass 378 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: murder of twelve hundred people. The raping of women and girls, 379 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: that does not violate their hateful speech policy, But saying 380 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: that girls exist that does. Saying that men should not 381 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 2: compete against women and women's sports that does. That is 382 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: the utter hypocrisy and double standards that allows. By the way, 383 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 2: event Bright has also allowed numerous quote stop Cop City 384 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: events which support violent protesters who oppose the building of 385 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 2: a police and firefighter training facility. Likewise, event Bright created 386 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: a map of Black Lives Matter protests, many of which 387 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: turn violent, to help users find them. So, in other words, 388 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: actual events that produce violence, that end up killing people, 389 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: that burn shops, that firebomb cars, those are not deemed 390 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: hateful and violent. But if you say that women exists, 391 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: you must be deplatformed. 392 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: We talked about the media giving them cover. I expect 393 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: some in the media to be liberal hacks, right, but 394 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: this brings up a big issue that we need to 395 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: talk about with NPR. The new CEO of NPR is 396 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: someone that is paid by US taxpayers and someone who 397 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: has described the First Amendment as the number one challenge 398 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: she faces. Our tax dollars are going to a CEO 399 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: who's running INPR National Public Radio saying the First Amendment 400 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: really seems to get in her way. Really, that's where 401 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: money is going. Well. 402 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, NPR has been profoundly corrupted, and it's been made 403 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: worse by hiring a CEO who is a brazen, blatant, 404 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: unapology jic, radical leftist, and she doesn't pretend to be 405 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: unbiased at all. Now, we discussed in a previous podcast 406 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago the Bombshell Report from Uri Berliner. 407 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: Uri Berliner was a twenty five year NPR employee and 408 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: was the former business editor of NPR, and he wrote 409 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: an April ninth essay in The Free Press, which resulted 410 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: in NPR suspending him for publishing how's that for free speech? 411 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: If you criticize us, you're out of here and you're 412 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: all fine, and ultimately led to his resignation. So he's gone. 413 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: This essay cost him his job, but he laid out 414 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: the incredible bias at NPR and the shift at NPR. So, 415 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: for example, he laid out in twenty eleven, which was 416 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: not that long ago, NPR's audience was twenty six percent conservative, 417 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 2: twenty three percent middle of the road, and thirty seven 418 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 2: percent liberal, so it leaned left. But not dramatically, so 419 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: by twenty twenty three those numbers that shifteddically. It was now, 420 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: instead of thirty seven percent liberal, it was sixty seven 421 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 2: percent liberal, and instead of twenty six percent conservative, it 422 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 2: was only eleven percent conservative. And mister Berliner laid out 423 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: details of how they would stifle stories that were inconvenient 424 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 2: to liberals. They would amplify stories like the Russia collusion story, 425 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: even if they were not supported by the facts. He 426 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 2: outlined at great length how NPR had no interest in 427 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: being impartial, being unbiased. And then you take in the 428 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: wake of this and the wake of what should be 429 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: real concern of Hey, we're national public radio. We're supposed 430 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: to be nonpartisan. We're supposed to be down the middle. Now, look, 431 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: I for one have serious doubts why the taxpayer should 432 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 2: fund any radio station. I think there are plenty of 433 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 2: for profit radio stations. I don't know why the government 434 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: should coursively tax you to pay for yet another radio station. 435 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what. Even if there's an argument 436 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: they should do so for generic news that somehow there's 437 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: not a market demand for, there is no argument I 438 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 2: know of that they should do so only for left 439 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: wing propaganda and the newly appointed CEO Catherine Marr has 440 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 2: been a hard partisan her whole life. So, for example, 441 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, Mar referred to President Donald Trump as 442 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: a quote deranged racist sociopath. Well, then I'm confident her 443 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: coverage of Donald Trump will be fair as long as 444 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: she introduces him as a deranged, racist sociopath every time 445 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: he's covered. 446 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: How do you even get that job? And I'm being serious, 447 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: if you're National Public radio, how does that automatically disqualify 448 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: you from that position as soon as they see that quote? 449 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, that's not an outlier. In 450 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, she celebrated trump banishment from social media, 451 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: referring to him as a fascist. So she loves censorship, Okay, 452 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: the former president of the United States elected by the 453 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: American people. I'm thrilled that he's being silenced because I 454 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: dislike his politics and I think he's a fascist. In 455 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: May of twenty twenty, right in the middle of the 456 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: George Floyd riots, Mar suggested that looting represented a form 457 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: of reparative justice for historic wrongs, and she remarked how 458 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: white silence is tantamount to complicity and violence. She's also 459 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: posted repeatedly in support of Democrat politicians including Hillary Clinton, 460 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden. Now listen, as 461 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: a private citizen, she has a right to be an 462 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: angry left wing radical and a hard Democrat partisan. But 463 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: explain to me why on earth the American taxpayers should 464 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 2: fund her partisan propaganda. 465 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet that's exactly why she probably got the job, 466 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, perfect, You're going to keep pushing 467 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: this propaganda out there full speed ahead. 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Senator, if 493 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: you are at NPR, can you imagine if you are 494 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: left the lefty how much freedom I think it would 495 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: make you feel like you had to then go out 496 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: there and continue to push propaganda on the American people. 497 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: If this is your CEO, I mean it's a license 498 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: to basically go all in on liberal propaganda at the 499 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: taxpayer's expense. 500 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: Now, that is exactly right. And I've got to say listen. 501 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: As you know, I'm the ranking member on the Senate 502 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: Committee of Commerce, Science, and Transportation, and part of my 503 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: responsibility in that role, we've got jurisdiction over about forty 504 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: percent of the US economy, and part of my responsibility 505 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: is oversighted. I can tell you that I am actively 506 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: engaging in oversight right now, calling on NPR to explain, 507 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: to explain why they're willing to put in place a 508 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: hard left wing activist, not a neutral journalist, but someone 509 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: who is biased, who is who is an active supporter 510 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: of sensorship, to violence, to silence the views she disagrees with. 511 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: Why NPR believes that that is an appropriate leader for 512 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: their institution. 513 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really great point. 514 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: And listen, don't necessarily take our words for it. I 515 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: want you to listen to Catherine Maher in her own words, 516 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 2: because it's going to show just how radical she is. 517 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 2: And I want to play a couple of clips. Let's 518 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: start with her explaining that, in her view, the number 519 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: one challenge that she faces is the First Amendment of 520 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: the Constitution. Let's play that clip. 521 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 3: The number one challenge here that we see is, of course, 522 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 3: the First Amendment in the United States is a fairly 523 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: robust protection of rights, and that is a protection of 524 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 3: rights both for platforms, which I actually think is very 525 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 3: important that platforms have those rights to be able to 526 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 3: regulate what kind of content they want on their sites, 527 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 3: but it also means that it is a little bit 528 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 3: tricky to really address some of the real challenges of 529 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: where does bad information come from and sort of the 530 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 3: influence peddlers who have made a real market economy around it. 531 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing center. This is the woman running MPR, 532 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: and I guess this is almost like the best thing 533 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: you can put on your resume, right, You're like, hey, 534 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: I think the First Amendment's a real problem. It's like perfect, 535 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: We'd love to hire you at MPR. 536 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And she actually says, well, the First Amendment is 537 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: really important for platforms, but then what she describes as 538 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 2: their First Amendment right is for their ability to censor 539 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: and silence things they disagree with. So to her mind, 540 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: what she cares about is the ability if there's a 541 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: view that is right a center. As far as she's concerned, 542 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: the First Amendment is all about silencing those views. There 543 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 2: can be no dissent, all right. I want you to 544 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: listen to another clip. This is a Ted talk where 545 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 2: she's discussing truth when she was at Wikipedia, and somehow 546 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 2: she has a different view of truth than I think 547 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 2: you and I might have. Give a listen. 548 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 3: But the hard things, the places where we are prone 549 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,959 Speaker 3: to disagreement, say politics and religion, Well, as it turns out, 550 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 3: not only does Wikipedia's model work there, it actually works 551 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 3: really well because in our normal lives, these contentious conversations 552 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 3: tend to rrupt or disagreement about what the truth actually is. 553 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 3: But the people who write these articles, they're not focused 554 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 3: on the truth. They're focused on something else, which is 555 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 3: the best of what we can know right now. And 556 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 3: after seven years of working with these brilliant folks, I've 557 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 3: come to believe that they are onto something that perhaps, 558 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 3: for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking 559 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 3: to convince others of the truth might not be the 560 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 3: right place to start. In fact, our reverence for the 561 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 3: truth might be a distraction that's getting in the way 562 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 3: of finding common ground and getting things done. Now, that 563 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 3: is not to say that the truth doesn't exist nor 564 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 3: is it to say that the truth is and important. Clearly, 565 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 3: the search for the truth has led us to do 566 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 3: great things, to learn great things. But I think if 567 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 3: I were to really ask you to think about this, 568 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 3: one of the things that we could all acknowledge is 569 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 3: that part of the reason we have such glorious chronicles 570 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 3: to the human experience in all forms of culture is 571 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 3: because we acknowledge there are many different truths. And so 572 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 3: in the spirit of that, I'm certain that the truth 573 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 3: exists for you and probably for the person sitting next 574 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 3: to you, But this may not be the same truth. 575 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 3: This is because the truth of the matter is very 576 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 3: often for many people. What happens when we merge facts 577 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 3: about the world with our beliefs about the world. So 578 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 3: we all have different truths. They're based on things like 579 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 3: where we come from, how we were raised, and how 580 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 3: other people perceive us. 581 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 2: What utter garbage? Like every word of that. You want 582 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 2: an indictment of the modern left. You want an indictment 583 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 2: of the idiocy of media. You want an indictment of 584 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 2: the academic world. You want an indictment of big tech. 585 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 2: Good God, what utter garbage? Truth doesn't exist? George or 586 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 2: Well is spinning in his grave and laughing at the 587 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 2: same time. Two plus two doesn't equal four, it equals 588 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 2: five because we say it is there is no truth. 589 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 2: Listen to that quote. Our reverence for the truth might 590 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: be a distraction that's getting in the way of finding 591 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: common ground and getting things done. But don't worry. This 592 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 2: is only for things that don't matter, the contentious issues. 593 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 2: What does she identify politics and religion? When it comes 594 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 2: to politics and religion, look, Jesus Christ said, I am 595 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: the way the truth in the life. But no, no, no, no, no, 596 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 2: no no, don't have reverence for truth. We're not interested 597 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: in that. We are interested in set aside of truth. 598 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 2: That can be your truth, my truth. Everyone has a truth. 599 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: Maybe for you, two plus two is five? What utter garbage? 600 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 3: You know what? 601 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 2: A journalist is supposed to be interested in the truth. 602 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 2: Do you have perfect truth? 603 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 3: No? 604 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 2: Do you have perfect knowledge? No? But you should get 605 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 2: damn close to it. You should be trying to get 606 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 2: to the truth. Remember what journalists used to learn? Who? What, when? 607 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 3: Where? How? 608 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 2: Why? 609 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 3: Like? 610 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 2: What happened? What are the facts? Well? No, no, no, not 611 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,959 Speaker 2: according to her. According to to her, there are no facts. 612 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 2: There is no truth. It's your truth, it's my truth, 613 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 2: and my truth from Catherine Marr's perspective is as a 614 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 2: left wing partisan, whatever the orthodoxy is, and we will 615 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 2: silence views that disagree. And the First Amendment is a pesky, 616 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 2: pesky barrier. All right, I want to play one more clip. Yeah, 617 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 2: one more clip where she's describing what she did at Wikipedia. 618 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 2: Listen to this third clip. 619 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 3: I started by talking about the idea of free and 620 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 3: open as some of our founding principles sort of free 621 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 3: and open source coming from me to the open source community. Well, 622 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 3: I have come to the opinion and the perspective that 623 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 3: free and open was a way of looking at the 624 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 3: world that was inherently limited relative to what we were 625 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 3: trying to achieve. Free and open has the best of intentionality, 626 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 3: but in the end, what free and open often ended 627 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 3: up doing, and particularly in the case of Wikipedia, was 628 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 3: really recapitulating many of the same power structures and dynamics 629 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 3: that exist offline prior to the advent of the Internet. 630 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 3: And so what we ended up seeing was Wikipedia really 631 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 3: rebuilt this idea of knowledge as a whole around what 632 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 3: the Western canon. You see the exclusion of communities of 633 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 3: languages because of the ways in which Wikipedia is based 634 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 3: on reliable sources. The idea of a written tradition is 635 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 3: something that is particular to many I mean not sorry, 636 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 3: the idea of a written tradition which is particular to 637 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 3: some cultures and not to others. The ways in which 638 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 3: we I ascribe notability often really comes from sort of 639 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 3: this white male, westernized construct around who matters in societies 640 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 3: and who is elevated in whose voices, and so some 641 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 3: of these ideas of sort of this radical openness really 642 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 3: did not end up with the intention I really did 643 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 3: not end up living into the intentionality of what openness 644 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 3: can be. 645 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 2: I mean, that just is brilliant right there, God bless so. 646 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 2: Look she's explaining at Wikipedia, they deliberately abandon a quote 647 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 2: free and open approach. By the way she's telling you 648 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 2: what she's gonna do at NPR. NPR is not going 649 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 2: to be free and open, according to her, because she 650 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 2: doesn't believe in free and open. Why because free and 651 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 2: open number one, she says, Well, that advantages cultures that 652 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 2: believe in the written word. Because you know what good 653 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,760 Speaker 2: has book learning ever done anyone? Well, heck, you're forgetting 654 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 2: those cultures that don't believe in that fancy learning stuff 655 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 2: like what utter garbage. I'm sorry, I thought actually a 656 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 2: journalistic outfit should actually reflect celebrate the best of education, 657 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 2: of learning, of what we know. But she says, no, no, no, no. 658 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 2: If it's actually free and open, will recapitulate a white male, westernized, 659 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 2: westernized construct. Let me ask you something, Ben, what the 660 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 2: hell does that mean? Seriously? Those are the words Marxist use, 661 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 2: and typically the more syllables they use when they get polysyllabic, 662 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 2: the less they're making any sense. So explain to me 663 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 2: the phrase recapitulate a white male, westernized construct that does 664 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 2: not end up living into the intentionality of what openness 665 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 2: can mean. Those words have no content other than I 666 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 2: want the power to silence things I don't like. Am 667 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 2: I wrong? 668 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: No, you're right. And my question goes back to this 669 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: for you. It used to be at MPR and others 670 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: they would at least fake it like their bias. Now 671 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: it's just flat out open and they're doing it with 672 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: our tax tours. Is there ever going to be a 673 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: day of reckoning where MPR finds out, hey, good luck, 674 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 1: do your own thing, because we're not going to pay 675 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: for this proper again anymore. 676 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 2: Look, if NPR cares at all about journalistic integrity, if 677 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 2: they care at all about continuing to receive taxpayer funds, 678 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 2: they should terminate Catherine Marr immediately. Her job should be done. 679 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 2: They should not have a rabid left wing partisan who 680 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 2: hates the First Amendment, who've used it as an inconvenience, 681 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 2: who wants to censor conservatives, who is actively explicitly and 682 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,439 Speaker 2: unabashedly opposed to free and open communication, who doesn't believe 683 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 2: in truth, who believes truth is an impediment to what 684 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 2: she's doing. That is not a journalist in any way. 685 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 2: She ought to go and join Emily's list, she ought 686 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 2: to go and join the DNC. She gotta go run 687 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 2: for Congress and become a henchman to Nancy Pelosi. She 688 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 2: should not actually be running a news organization, especially not 689 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 2: a news organization funded by the taxpayers. And if we 690 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 2: have to be honest, if you had a Democrat who 691 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 2: had a shred of integrity, they would say, of course, 692 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 2: this is not appropriate for her to run NPR. The 693 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 2: chances of that happening are zero, But I can tell 694 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: you I'm going to be pushing for accountability and I'm 695 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 2: going to be pushing for oversight of it because it 696 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 2: is brazenly shameless for them to put someone so wildly 697 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 2: unqualified in that position. 698 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: Don't forget. We do the show Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and 699 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: a week in review on Saturdays. Hit that subscribe, follow 700 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: or auto download button wherever you're listening to this podcast 701 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: so you do not miss a episode. 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