1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. They 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: called me Ben. We are joined with our super producer 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: Paul Deckett. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: to know. Coco Fernandez, Yes, that's true, Matt. Our story 9 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: begins today within anecdote Coco Fernandez. That's CEO c O A. 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Fernandez is a registered voter, or was a registered voter 11 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: for a short time, for a short time, pretty recently 12 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: in Palm Beach County. It's West Palm each Florida, where 13 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: my in laws reside. That's true. That's one of the 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: things they're most well known for Palm Beach in this 15 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: in this show at least, so you know at basis, 16 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: being registered to vote is a good thing. Yeah, you 17 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: turn eighteen, you get to send your registration in. Oh 18 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: my gosh, I can vote my first election. Coco, you're 19 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: doing it right. You two can wait in the line, right, 20 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: you can have a say and in some of the 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: biggest elections that exist in our country. You can sort 22 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: of have a say. We'll get into it. Okay, your 23 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: your say might not be as direct as you think, 24 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: but it is important. And Coco, we can guess, probably 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: didn't understand the importance of voting and registering to vote 26 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: because you see, Coco is, in addition to being a 27 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: resident of Florida, a poodle. Oh yeah, so how did 28 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: that happen? Well, according to Palm Beach County election Supervisor 29 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: Teresa Lapour, criminal activity got this dog on Palm Beach 30 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: County's voter rolls, like somebody signed the dog up, and 31 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: she asked the state attorney to investigate whether Coco's owner, 32 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: a lady named Wendy Albert, or someone else, fraudently filled 33 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: out the election card to embarrass Teresa Lapoor's office. Coco 34 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: got on the voter rolls in July of that year. 35 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: This kind of crime, if you are convicted of it, 36 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: carries a maximum five year prison term and a five 37 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollar fine. Lapore says she suspects Wendy Albert of 38 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: doing this fraudulent registration. I wonder what I d she used. 39 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't say that in the story here, like who 40 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: who said, Okay, this Coco um Fernandez, this looks like 41 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: your identification. Okay, you're in now Albert. For her part, 42 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: at the time the story broke, I didn't say which 43 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: of her friends she thought was the suspect, but she 44 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: denied any wrongdoing. And she is pretty bothered that Coco, 45 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: who is by all accounts a great dog but still 46 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: a dog. She she's bothered by the fact that the 47 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: dog got a voter card in the first place. She says, 48 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of scary, with all the problems we've had 49 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: in Palm Beach County, even a dog can vote. This 50 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: is the same Palm Beach, by the way, if you're 51 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: familiar with the two thousand US presidential election, this is 52 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: the same Palm Beach that was home to the butterfly 53 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: ballot and became the focus of all these legal battles 54 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: and protests. Some hanging Chad's there, and that's a different thing. 55 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: I can't remember. That was a weird couple of days. 56 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: Now for the record, for better or worse, as far 57 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: as we know, Coco Fernandez has not actually voted, registered 58 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: but not not a voter, And it brings us to 59 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: one of the strangest parts of US government history. The 60 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: voting system right on paper, Matt, The U S voting 61 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: system sounds like a pretty solid idea, right, It's pretty appealing. 62 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: One citizen, one vote, and that we count them all 63 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: up and whoever has the most you win. There we go, right, short, sweet, simple, 64 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: and most importantly neutral and fair. There are a couple 65 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: of things that interfere with this process on paper, and often, 66 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: some would say more often than not, the process in 67 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: practice is not the process on paper. So we wanted 68 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: to open with an anecdote that sounds ridiculous, and want 69 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: to assure you, fellow conspiracy realist, that this is not 70 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: an isolated incident. Dogs are voting everywhere in this country 71 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: left and right. No literally politically for the left and 72 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: the right. So if if you are a US citizen, 73 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: as you said, generally speaking in theory, and get one 74 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: vote per person to make your voice heard. Now, there 75 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: are a lot of complications that arise with this for 76 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: differing reasons. Right. One of the biggest ones that was 77 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: recently reported in last week Tonight a great show by 78 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: John Oliver and his writing staff, is the idea of 79 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: felons voting. Because in several states you cannot vote if 80 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: you have been convicted of a felony, and they're in 81 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: states where there's a process to regain your right to vote. 82 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: Often those processes are pretty difficult to get through, you know, well, 83 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: and can we go ahead and hit an example now? 84 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: But or should we just let's hit one all right? Well, 85 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: let's just speaking of felons who are voting. Let's go 86 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: to the case of Crystal Mason. She is a convicted felon. 87 00:05:54,760 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: She went to prison for some tax fraud issues, um, 88 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: and then after she got out of prison in twenty sixteen, 89 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: she attempted to vote for the presidential election or vote 90 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: in the presidential election, and according to her attorneys, she 91 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: had she had no idea that she could not vote 92 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: as a convicted felon, and her name was not on 93 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: the ballots when she went to go and you know, vote, 94 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,119 Speaker 1: so she she cast a provisional ballot at I believe 95 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: it was her church, and then she got caught up 96 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: and she's now or she was, at least in June, 97 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: she was on trial and she ended up being sentenced 98 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: to five years in prison for voting illegally because she 99 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: was a felon on probation five years in prison for 100 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: attempting to vote as a felon. So I guess the 101 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: idea here that that measure of of giving five years 102 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: in prison to an individual trying to vote who is 103 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: a felon is like, don't try that again. I guess 104 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm kind of presentative measure as a scare tactic kind 105 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: of thing because I don't know it, not to cast 106 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: judgment on it. Either way, that's a pretty harsh sentence, right, 107 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: and state by state these sorts of laws differ. We 108 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: highly recommend that you watch the John Oliver piece, which 109 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: largely centers on Florida, but also check out the information 110 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: in your own state. Right, and it doesn't matter whether 111 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: or not you're a felon. It's important to know these 112 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: sorts of things. And look, there's another complication too that 113 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: we mentioned just a second ago. While you can vote 114 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: for or against certain policy changes in local elections, like 115 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: if you go to vote in your local election and 116 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: you see a tax bill or a zoning issue or something, 117 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: in federal elections, you never directly vote on policy know 118 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: what exactly is going to happen. Right. Instead, you vote 119 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: to elect representatives who will, again, in erie, represent the 120 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: wishes and concerns of your community at a national level. 121 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: That's why this is known as a representative democracy. So, 122 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: for instance, if super Producer Paul is running for Senate 123 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: and happens to be running for the state in which 124 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: we vote, we don't get to vote on all the 125 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: things that Senator super Producer Paul, his name is getting longer. 126 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: The Senator super Producer Paul will deal with on a 127 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: day to day thing or in a legislative session. We 128 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: can write letters to him, we can go to fundraisers, 129 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: we can ask him to do things, we can raise 130 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: money for him. We can raise money for him. But 131 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: we are not in the room where it happens. To 132 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: borrow the Hamilton's line anyhow, that that does still seem 133 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: pretty simple, right. You may not be directly affecting a 134 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: lot of policy, but you are. You still have agency 135 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: if you're a voter, because you're choosing the person who, again, 136 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: in theory, will represent the interest of yourself as a 137 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: voter and of your community. It's pretty simple, right, But wait, 138 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: as Billy Mays was want to say, there's more, right, Matty, 139 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 1: especially in the case of the presidential election system. The 140 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: thing that becomes the massive event that occurs every four 141 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: years usually in this country. There are two separate types 142 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: of voter accounts, and we've discussed this before a little bit. Um. 143 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: The first is a popular vote. That's the one that 144 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: where you've been discussing this whole time. One person, one vote, 145 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: everyone casts that vote, everybody gets counted, and that the 146 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: final number is what the popular vote is. The other thing, 147 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: it's that electoral college vote. It's a little strange. This 148 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: is the thing. This is where it gets complicated, to 149 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: the level of I need somebody to explain this to me, please. Um. 150 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: So it's a very small subsection of voters. So if 151 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,479 Speaker 1: you think of the millions of human beings and citizens 152 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: that live in the United States who are voters, will 153 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: that all the way down to five hundred and thirty 154 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: something I believe in the last election it was five 155 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: thirty eight, um. And within this five hundred and thirty 156 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: eight people, you just need a majority of them to 157 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: win the presidency according to the electoral college vote. So 158 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: in this case, with five eight, you need a majority 159 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: of two hundred and seventy. Now you're it's it's this 160 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: is it's even more complicated. The number of electoral votes 161 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: that your state gets equals the number of Congressional members 162 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: for your state, So for each member in the House 163 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: of Representatives, you get that many plus two more and 164 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: those uh, that's for your senators obviously, because every state 165 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: gets two senators. But that's your electoral college vote. So 166 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: it's essentially like counting all the people in Congress in 167 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: both houses and then saying those people vote right, sort of. 168 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: But it's not those people voting. It's just that number 169 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: of people voting your Because the people who cast the 170 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: electoral votes are chosen in different ways by parties. They're 171 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: not those folks aren't elected in the same way that 172 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: elected official is elected, which I know it sounds very strange, 173 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: sounds very orwelly, and some are more equal than others, etcetera. 174 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: Because it is, let's just say that it is. It's 175 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: got a a lot of problems. It leaves room for 176 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: manipulation of a much smaller group of people, and there 177 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: are people who are on both sides of the aisle 178 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: who will raise very valid points about how um the 179 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: electoral system could be improved, but not everybody agrees on 180 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: how that would happen. We will do an episode on 181 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: the electoral College in the future, but for now, let's 182 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: just keep it at this. There are two voting systems 183 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: for the presidential election, and you, if you are a 184 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: U S voter, directly vote only in one of those. 185 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: And that's where we see all this controversy that arises 186 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: when someone says, I object to insert president name here 187 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: because they won the electoral vote, but they did not 188 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: win the popular vote or something, because those things don't 189 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: always jibe. And today we're focusing on that. We're focusing 190 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: on the popular vote. It's not going to be a 191 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: snooze fest. We promise you this is going to be 192 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: both interesting and important, and it's going to hinge on 193 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: your input at the end, folks, we desperately need and 194 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: welcome your help for this. We're focusing on the popular vote, 195 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: particularly that time every four years when you specifically you 196 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: if you're part of the let's say about fifty eight 197 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: percent little more percent of eligible voters who voted during 198 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: the election. We're we're focusing on that time every four 199 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: years when you actually vote castro ballot and make your 200 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: opinions known, because, as it turns out, just that just 201 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: your vote is the subject of numerous man massive conspiracy theories. 202 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: So here are the facts. I feel like it's not 203 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: spoiling anything. I don't think anybody's going to be surprised 204 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: to hear that the US voting system has enormous problems 205 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: and listeners based outside of the US thanks for coming. 206 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: Stick with us. Promise this will not be a big 207 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: jargon eye slog for you. This will be interesting for 208 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: you to astonish and amaze your American friends. You may 209 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: well walk away from this episode knowing more about their 210 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: political system than they do, which is it's a ding 211 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: on us, it's not a it's not a ding on you. 212 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: So while everyone can this is the funny thing that 213 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: everyone can agree that the system needs an overhaul of 214 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: some sort, but the problem is that politicians and activists 215 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: just cannot seem to agree on exactly what those changes 216 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: should be. There's an author named Lorraine C. Minute who 217 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: wrote paper called an Analogy Assists of Voter Fraud in 218 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: the United States, and she had a really fascinating quote 219 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: that that sums this up. Since the two thousand election, 220 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: and historic effort has been underway in the United States 221 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: to strengthen voting systems across all fifty states and to 222 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: aggress obstacles to broader electoral participation. Oh sorry. At both 223 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: the federal and state levels, However, efforts to advance a 224 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: reform agenda have been frequently complicated by heated debates over 225 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: the integrity of voting systems and by allegations of widespread 226 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: election fraud and its cohort voter fraud. You gotta love 227 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: the way they depict those as if they're a team 228 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: of evil supervillains election fraud and it's sadekick voter fraud. 229 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: It's cohort. What a weird term to use for that, 230 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: it's cohort. Uh. And then we have we have an 231 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: example of how this came up in recent elections, because 232 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: there have been people who were very high up in 233 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: politics raising concerns about out voter fraud specifically. And what 234 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: do you say, Matt. We can go ahead and play 235 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: this clip a lot of times. It doesn't matter because 236 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: in many places like California, the same person votes many times. 237 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: You probably heard about that. They always like to say, oh, 238 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: that's a conspiracy theory. Not a conspiracy theory. Fox millions 239 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: and millions of people. And it's very hard because the 240 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: state guards their records. They don't want to see it. 241 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: So that is the That is a quote from the 242 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: current President of the United States, Donald Trump, who is 243 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: who is arguing that voter fraud does exist and that 244 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: people from both political parties are ignoring it. So there's 245 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: something interesting going on there what he's saying. What he's 246 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: saying is that there is voter fraud. Look at all 247 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: these places where voter fraud is happening. If you talk 248 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: about voter fraud, they're they're going to say bad things 249 00:15:54,680 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: about you. They A'm assuming the media or maybe political opponents, Yeah, 250 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: perhaps political opponents. So that is one of the reasons 251 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: why we're doing this episode, right because that kind of 252 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: rhetoric has been around on on both sides somewhat but 253 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: mostly coming from one direction. Um, the allegations of this 254 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of widespread voter fraud. So just putting it out there, 255 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: that's one of the main reasons why we're even covering 256 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: this right now. Who knows, maybe people will say bad 257 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: things about us because we're bringing up voter fraud. Well, yeah, 258 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: and the whole point is to see if there's any 259 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: salt to this stuff, right, That's why we're doing this. 260 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: So let's pause there on that clip and have a 261 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. When we come back, Will we'll 262 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: examine what voter fraud actually is. It may not be 263 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: exactly what you assume. And we're back. So here is 264 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: the seven dollar question. I'm just deciding to rent and 265 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: am arbitrary value to this question. Matt, Is that okay? 266 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: All right? Here's the fifty seven cents thirty four cents question? 267 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: That number? Thanks, thanks man, it's for you. Uh. What 268 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: is voter fraud? Well, first, it's a pretty broad term 269 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: and it's often confused with these other related but distinct concepts. 270 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: There are three ideas of play here, and it's important, 271 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: it's crucial to differentiate them. First, straight up, voter fraud. 272 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: There's a nonprofit that works on voter registration called Project Vote, 273 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: and they define voter fraud as the quote intentional corruption 274 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: of the electoral process by the voter. It's when a 275 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: voter knowingly blows off that American idea of one person, 276 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: one vote and attempts to influence an election. And it's 277 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: the idea that people will vote using a fake identity. 278 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: You know, so you vote once is Matt Frederick Once is? Uh, 279 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: Dennis la Boy, I've I like little boy, He's always 280 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: been my favorite voting identity. And then I vote once 281 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: is like uh Ben, and once his max Powers asked, 282 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: you're not with a secret? Yeah, that's great. Yeah, And 283 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: then we we rent and repeat ad nauseum until we 284 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: have done this uh to such an extent that we 285 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: skew the outcome of the election. That would take a 286 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: lot of those It's a lot of time. It's a 287 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: lot of time, right, And this doesn't count honest mistakes 288 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: or pranks like when the lady in Florida got pranked, 289 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: When Mrs Albert got pranked and somebody registered her poodle. 290 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean when she registered her poodle her friends chokingly 291 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: registered her poodles swayed the election. Yeah, what a weird 292 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: paperwork heavy prank. Come on, what happened to just TP 293 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: on someone's yard? Hey, I got you your dogs registered 294 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: to vote? Burns but but also Coco if you're curious. 295 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: As a registered Republican, these kinds of Shenanigan's only count 296 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: as fraud when someone purposely does it, as in an 297 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: attempt to sway an election, not just because somebody was 298 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: getting drunk or high and thought it would be hilarious. 299 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: If their hamster, you know, I had the right to vote. 300 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: But then so so that's the stuff voter fraud and 301 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: that definition is when someone on the voter side tries 302 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: to influence an election, and that's different from straight up 303 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: election fraud. Yeah, this one, this like the idea, the 304 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: concept of election fraud is a lot more broad than 305 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: just voter fraud. Um. The the d o J. The 306 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: Department of Justice, actually looks at a full on twelve 307 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: ways that an election can be corrupted in one way 308 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: or another. And it is actually extremely rare that this 309 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: fraud is ever committed by the you know, the person, 310 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: the singular human being that goes into cast a ballot. 311 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: And if you look at those twelve ways, you you 312 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: can look this up search for Federal Prosecution of Election Offenses, 313 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: seventh Edition if you want to just edge your seat, 314 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: adrenaline rush, heart pounding. Read dude. It's it's a huge document. Um. 315 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: I don't even know how many chapters. I didn't get 316 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: past the first four well, I don't know. We we 317 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: we did read through it. I read through it. We 318 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: wanted to save you some time. So the twelve things 319 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: that they count as election fraud are conspiracy against rights, 320 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: deprivation of rights, false information in and payments for registering 321 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: and voting, and then things like voting more than once, 322 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: voter intimidation, voter suppression, fraudulent registration, voting by non citizens, 323 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: which is a big thing, Travel Act, mail fraud, troops 324 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: at polls, you know, like having military members station and polls, right, 325 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: campaign dirty tricks, and retention of federal election records. So 326 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: that that gets pretty drive very quickly. But it's important stuff. 327 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: And as you said, Mom, yeah, as you said, Matt, 328 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: it's extremely rare, at least in the DJ's findings that 329 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: the voters who line up average John and Jane Doe America. 330 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: Their last name is America. Okay, I've got up the 331 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: improvisation before we continue. But it's it's extremely rare that 332 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: these people would be the source of nefarious activities at polls. Yeah. 333 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: I mean, for this kind of stuff, the the large 334 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: scale election fraud, you're gonna look at groups of people. 335 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: You're gonna look at either opposing the opposing force. Like 336 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: if you are one of the person's running in the election, 337 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: it's going to be the opposing camp perhaps is trying 338 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: to do this. Maybe, um, some advocacy group that's third 339 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: party to the election has a hand in doing something 340 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: like this. Um, even the election officials themselves trying to 341 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: rig an election in some way for some reason or another. 342 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's really what you're looking at with 343 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. Even maybe the candidate himself trying 344 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: to pull some strings somewhere quite possibly, Yeah, and for 345 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: some reason, I could see that happening more easily at 346 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: local elections, just with the just the numbers involved. Remember 347 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: when uh to ask you what a comptroller actually does. 348 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if a comptroller has ever fixed the election. 349 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they're good with numbers, so I'm assuming probably 350 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: they could. I would watch that show. I would watch 351 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: a show about small town dirty controller politics. They could 352 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: launder those votes, So that stuff is is more common. 353 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: That's a pretty broad definition used at the federal level. 354 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: There's also the practice of voters suppression. And this is 355 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: going to be very familiar to a lot of a 356 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: lot of us listening outside of the US, because voters 357 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: suppression is is distressingly and alarmingly common in a lot 358 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: of countries in the modern day. Voter suppression describes the 359 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: many ways in which one political party or group will 360 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: attempt to prevent certain voters from making it to the 361 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: polls or force people to vote for a certain candidate 362 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: or a certain policy. On election day, in about one 363 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: hundred and twelve thousand voters in Maryland, located mostly in 364 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: black voting districts, got these weird robo calls that said 365 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: the incumbent, as a person named Martin O'Malley, had one 366 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: and that there was no need to vote. The recorded 367 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: voice said, our goals have been met. We're okay, relax, 368 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: everything's fine. The only thing left is to watch it 369 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: on TV tonight. The problem is those calls were authorized 370 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: by the campaign manager of the opponent candidate for governor, 371 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: and Martin O'Malley had not one. No elections were still open. 372 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: It was just meant to persuade people not to vote. Yeah, 373 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: what a dirty, stinking trick. That is man right, right, 374 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: and it's uh. The courts agreed, by the way, they said, 375 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: it was not just campaign speech, it's not just free speech. 376 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: It was purposely misleading and fraudulent. But then there's the other, 377 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: the other, more physical case of people being physically intimidated 378 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: at polls or near polls. That's because there are some 379 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: weird little rules that you can kind of skirt around, 380 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: having to do with number of feet away from an 381 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: election center and all this stuff. Um, but if you 382 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: get caught doing that and trying to suppress a vote 383 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: that way by intimidation, you can't get in some serious trouble. 384 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: And clearly elections again across across the world have some 385 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: just cartoonish tactics going up. I mean, we've we've all 386 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: seen report where a certain politician wins like a percent 387 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: of the vote and gets a hundred and ten percent 388 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: of the vote in some districts and things like that. 389 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: I'm pulling those specific numbers, uh, just out of the 390 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: out of thin air, But there have been situations where 391 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: a certain district in some country or another gets more 392 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: than one of a vote for a candidate. Everybody's involved 393 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: doing it right, You've got more votes than you should have. 394 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: That's right, everybody's given. Everybody is learning from Coco Fernandez. 395 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: So the problem with this stuff is we can all 396 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: agree that these are terrible things and they can skew 397 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: a nation, they're dangerous things. But there's another thing we 398 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: have to we have to admit, which is some efforts 399 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: to prevent voter fraud have led to voter suppression. So 400 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: some efforts to prevent unscrupulous people from voting multiple times 401 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: have led to totally innocent people being denied the right 402 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: to vote. And it it gets tricky. But the type 403 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: of voter fraud we almost always here mentioned in US 404 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: media is not that nuanced, nor does it make any 405 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: big differentiations. The type of voter fraud you will see 406 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 1: reported in the news in the past few years is 407 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: almost always going to be the specific fear that certain 408 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: voters are intentionally voting multiple times, either under assumed identities 409 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: or just by traveling to different locations and voting. So 410 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 1: somebody is, for instance, registered somehow in three states and 411 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: they just just three counties even, are just three counties even, 412 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: and then just go and vote every county, So instead 413 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: of one person, they end up having the power three 414 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: people and just expand that a huge degree, and you'll 415 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: see the problem people are posing. If this exists, it's 416 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: a massive effort. I mean, you would need so many 417 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: people voting so many times to make a discernible difference 418 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: in the polls. Yeah, the the numbers would be astounding 419 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: here just to make a large enough difference unless you're 420 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: looking at a very small voting block. But then again, 421 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: if you're volting, if you're voting multiple times, you're not 422 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: going to be voting in the exact same pool that's 423 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: being collected, so you're one vote is only one little 424 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: drop in the bucket. You would have to have hundreds, 425 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: probably thousands, no, probably hundreds of thousands of people doing 426 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: this to really sway of a large enough vote. Yeah, 427 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: like maybe on a federal level, but on a federal level, 428 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: you'd have to have millions probably. You know, it also 429 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: depends on the districts, the specific districts, because some of 430 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: those districts get very very close, like a matter of 431 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: a margin, very of a few hundred votes. Yes, but 432 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: I guess I'm one of the sayings, if you're taking 433 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: part in this, and you're organizing it to the extent 434 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: that you would need to do to actually sway an 435 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: election reliably, you would need to have at least thousands, 436 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: even if even if the margin is going to pick 437 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: a couple of hundred, you have to have them in 438 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: a place, right. You'd also need to be able to 439 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: predict where exactly where you're needed to slot those uh, 440 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: fake voters in right. So really what we're talking about 441 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: is something you would do from a console, and you'd 442 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: be a hacker, and it would be the movie Hackers, 443 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: and you'd have virtual reality going through servers. That's really 444 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: the only way to do. Sponsored by de Bold. When 445 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: you hear stories of voter fraud in the media, is 446 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: often going to be a lurid tale of dead people 447 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: voting or maybe um maybe non US citizens being intimidated 448 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: or forced to travel around in a van and vote 449 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: under false identities. And usually when you hear that, there's 450 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: going to be an immediate solution proposed after that. Coupled 451 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: with this description of something dangerous, there's going to almost 452 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: always be a description of what needs to happen to 453 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: fix it, and that will be stuff like voter I D, 454 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: voter I D, voter I D. You say, you mean 455 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: taking your identification to go and register for to vote 456 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: and or to vote right, which people already do. That 457 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: sounds so simple, Just take your I D right. Everybody 458 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: has an I D or a specialized I D just 459 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: for voting. Right. But it's not so simple. It's not 460 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: so simple, and we'll we'll get into that in a moment. 461 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: We can all agree, however, that if voter fraud exists, 462 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: it needs to be stamped out. Is rigging the game 463 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: even more than it's already rigged, which I feel like 464 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: is not a controversial statement, is it. You can pay 465 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: as much as money as you want to any politician. 466 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: That's true. That's true, and you can do it without 467 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: being directly associated with the money either. So it's fine, 468 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: it's fine, everything's fine. However, critics of the the claims 469 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: about voter fraud say that there's something very different at 470 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: work here. They say that voter fraud itself is a conspiracy, 471 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: but not the way it's being described to you in 472 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: the media. Here's where it gets crazy. In this situation, 473 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: we truly do have a house divided. To people who 474 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: believe that voter fraud is rampant, there is a concerted 475 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: conspiracy at the heart of the election process, and it 476 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: is one perpetrated by the political left. And conversely, to 477 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: people who believe that voter fraud is non existent, it's 478 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: not even a thing. It's massively overhyped if it is 479 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: a thing at all. There's a concerted conspiracy at the 480 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: heart of the election process. However, this one is perpetrated 481 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: by the political right. So oddly enough, a ton of 482 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: people believe that there is a genuine conspiracy of foot 483 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: people have on all sides of the political aisles, people 484 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: have conspiracy theories about this. The only thing is that 485 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: no one can universally agree on exactly what the conspiracy is. 486 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: And that's perhaps because it is so deeply divided to 487 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: the left and right about what is believed to be 488 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: the conspiracy. I know, welcome to the age of no 489 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: you politics, just don't engage everybody, Okay, but let's for 490 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: for purposes of learning. Let's let's figure it out, all right. So, 491 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: in the modern day, accusations of voter fraud are closely 492 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: tied to the recent election, and the current president, President Trump, 493 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: has also echoed these claims. According to The Washington Post 494 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: in eighteen, during a visit to West Virginia, President Trump said, 495 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: a lot of times, it doesn't matter because in many 496 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: places like California, the same person votes many times. You 497 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: probably heard about that. They always like to say, oh, 498 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: that's a conspiracy theory. Not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions 499 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: and millions of people, And it's very hard because the 500 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: state guards their records. They don't want to see it. Okay, 501 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: So this was, um, this is interesting because this is 502 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: after the election has already been decided and he's arguing 503 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: about popular vote, right right, Well, there were yeah, when 504 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: there were people additionally, I guess opponents of the Trump 505 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: campaign or administration who said back in really that he 506 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: was bringing up, well, his speech writers were bringing up 507 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: the idea of voter fraud as sort of a way 508 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: to back pedal if he did, yeah, if he didn't 509 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: lose the election. That's when Barack Obama put forward that 510 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: statement that was really widely circulated it around that time, 511 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: where he was speaking to that same effect like if 512 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: you you're bringing up voter fraud as a way to 513 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: safeguard against perhaps if you lose. But the the important 514 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: part with Barack Obama with his statement was that he said, 515 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: it would be almost impossible to influence our elections in 516 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: this country just due to the size of these elections 517 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: and the complexity of them, it would be almost impossible 518 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: to interfere with our elections. That's that's the quote he gave. 519 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: And then the interesting thing that happens after that is 520 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: then the Democratic Party alleges that that very thing occurred, 521 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: and it was a state actor. It wasn't an inside 522 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: job of American voters. It was Russia itself, right right, 523 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: which is not voter fraud. That's election fraud. Election fraud. Yeah, 524 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: but still just the whole, the whole mess that became 525 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: all of these things. Um. And so we see the 526 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: we see the issue painted wide, you know what I mean, 527 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: And we see a lot of claims. So what if 528 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: the claims of widespread voter fraud a conspiracy to commit 529 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: voter fraud are true? It brings several questions to mind immediately. First, 530 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: how many people are actually voting multiple times? Especially considering 531 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: so many Americans can't be Arst to vote one time? 532 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? How do you get ars 533 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: that person to vote? Are you gonna a r SC? 534 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: Can we is? That is? That's like a picture ars 535 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: out there and vote? There we go? That's like an 536 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: approachable curse word? Is it even a curse word in 537 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: Europe anymore? I don't know Arst. Well, they can't be 538 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: bothered either way, yes, regardless of where they stand with 539 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: their urs. Well, we can't give you those exact numbers 540 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: because we do not have those numbers. Those those numbers 541 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: are not easily attainable. Even if we could attain them, 542 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: we can't tell you how one person did it. Is 543 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: that worth it? Yeah? Do you want to hear that? Yeah? 544 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 1: Laid on us. Okay. Uh, there's a woman named Terry 545 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: Lynn wrote she was let's see fifty six in sen 546 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: She attempted to vote for Donald Trump twice in the election, 547 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: and she did so because she thought she was listening 548 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: to the words of Donald Trump at the time on 549 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: the build up to the election and believed that, um, 550 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: the Democrats were going to be using voter fraud to 551 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: win the election. Uh. That's that's what she believed, at 552 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: least according to to her statements. So Terry Lynn wrote, 553 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: cast one vote, her regular vote. It was an absentee vote, 554 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: I believe. Um. Then she was arrested when she was 555 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: trying to cast a second ballot. She was going to this, 556 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: at least in the article on the Independent was called 557 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: a satellite voting location. And uh, she said, quote, I 558 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: don't know what came over me at the time. She 559 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: just thought she has to do this in order to 560 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: help the person she wants to be elected get elected. Okay, 561 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: So from her standpoint, then it was not a planned 562 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: Nobody told her it necessarily, she wasn't working with a 563 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: network of people. She I believe in the article you'd 564 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: sent me, she said at she was concerned her first ballot, 565 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: where she voted for Trump, would be changed to a 566 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: vote for Clinton. That was a lot of There are 567 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: a lot of rumors about that, especially if you use 568 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: the electronic voting at the time. If you put in 569 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: your vote, you hit cast ballot and it would flip. 570 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: That's what the the there are people alleging that. So 571 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: according to her story, she was literally just walking by 572 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: that early voting location and said, you know what, I've 573 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: got to make sure I'm at least heard once. So 574 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: she got what two years probation, correct, and she got 575 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: a fine as well and fifty dollars. So she actually 576 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: voted twice. Okay, so she actually did it. We attempted, 577 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: We know that this happened. And then you mentioned earlier 578 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: the story of Crystal Mason. Yeah, Crystal Mason. So if 579 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: you're if we're counting up, then how many felons are 580 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: out there voting illegally. That's the one case that we 581 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: can point to right now is best case. It's someone 582 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: who perhaps didn't know that she couldn't vote as a 583 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: felon attempted to vote and she got caught. Okay, So 584 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: again we have no extra votes yet no, Okay, does 585 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: that make sense? So in both of these instances, um 586 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: trying to vote twice got caught at the at the 587 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: polling place, attempting to vote illegally as as a felon 588 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: got caught. Okay, So what about the other big concern? 589 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: I think we've all heard it a spouse, most often 590 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: on the right, the concern of non citizens voting. That 591 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: could be anywhere from h an undocumented immigrants, someone who 592 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have a legal residency status, or someone who is 593 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: a legal resident but it does not have citizenship. Right, yes, 594 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: we can. We can look to a story from about 595 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: a woman named Laura Garza who was thirty eight years old. 596 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: She pleaded guilty two charges, a voter impersonation and ineligible voting. 597 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: Sorry having a hard time saying ineligible right now. For 598 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: a second, they said eligible, and I was thinking, Man, 599 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: I've been on the knife's edge so many times. That's 600 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: a felonyship eligibly voting. Don't write ugly letters to us? Yes, well, 601 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: um uh this. Garza was sentenced to ten years in 602 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: jail in order to pay a ten thousand dollar fine. 603 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: So what she actually did was stole the identity of 604 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: an actual person, a voter, and then she voted I 605 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: believe three at least three elections using this other person's identity. 606 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: Not three times in one election, but over the course 607 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 1: of several elections I think two thousand four, two thousand, twelve, 608 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: and sixteen. Oh, she did it for a while. Yeah, 609 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 1: And so this kind of thing. There may be more 610 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: of this out there where just someone else's identity is 611 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: being used. Perhaps it is a dead person's identity. In 612 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: this case, it was a person who was very much 613 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: alive who attempted to get a passport and they noticed 614 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: that their name identity was already in a passport, existing 615 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 1: out there somewhere, and had a voting record. I see. 616 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that, Matt, because it brings us 617 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: to the methods through which voter fraud is claimed to manifest. 618 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: One idea is that voter fraud is widespread because there 619 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: are millions of people still on the rolls, and the 620 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: assumption is that these dead people's identities will be used 621 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: by someone else it is true that the Pew Center 622 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: on the States found that one point eight million dead 623 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: people were still on the voter rolls in that's enough, 624 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? If those people rise from 625 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: the grave and have a strong political opinion, which is 626 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: unusual for zombies, that zombie vote, I would watch it. 627 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: I would watch the zombie vote if it's I don't care. 628 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: If it's a sitcom, I don't care. If it's you know, like, 629 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: what happens if the zombies and the walking dead get 630 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: the vote? Oh? Nothing, because they don't show up on 631 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: the show. Well, we know whoa critique over here? Shots fired, 632 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: Paul Kangan his shots fired sound cue thank you. I 633 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: still haven't seen past episode one of the second season. Hey, 634 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm sure it's I'm sure it's a 635 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,760 Speaker 1: good show. It's just it doesn't have enough walking Dead 636 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: for me, you know what I mean? The one? I 637 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: want more zombies? What about what's the other one? To 638 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 1: beware the walking Dead or fear the walking dead? Watch 639 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: out the walking Dead, danger dead? I would Okay, if 640 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: you were in it, I would watch it. If you 641 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: were in it as a living person, I would watch it. Yes, 642 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: So that's that's a pretty enormous number, right, There's no 643 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: way around it, no matter what you think going into 644 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,320 Speaker 1: the situation. One point eight million people who are dead 645 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: but still on but are still registered voters. It's a 646 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 1: big deal. And then there's this other idea that just 647 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: the pure math shows voter fraud exists. This comes from 648 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: the former vice chair of the Fraud Commission, Kansas Secretary 649 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: of State, Chris Kobak. Chris Kobak alleged that he found 650 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: a certain sample of fraudulent votes in his state that 651 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: and in that if you extrapolated that percentage that he 652 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,240 Speaker 1: found to the full population in the US, then hundreds 653 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: of thousands of specifically non citizens had voted. So the 654 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: problem with this is that his math included people who 655 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,919 Speaker 1: might have voted illegally, but not people who actually had 656 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: so people who okay, might is the Might's the key 657 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: phrase here. And as of eighteen he had out of 658 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: the um out of all the cases that he had 659 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: claimed to find, only nine resulted in any kind of 660 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: conviction or plea deal. And this is over the course 661 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: of multiple state elections. And the sad part is most 662 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,240 Speaker 1: of those nine convictions or plea deals came from older 663 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 1: people who were confused by the law, you know what 664 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean. So maybe maybe they had not voted correctly, 665 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: but they weren't like wheedling in some strange scheme to 666 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: get the comptroller elected. Dude, a controller needs to chill. 667 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: People go power mad. They've got that. Not a lot 668 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: of people can willed the controls, you know what I mean. 669 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,720 Speaker 1: But you're you're literally crunching numbers and signing checks and stuff, 670 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 1: but you're not making that money. You're getting a paycheck 671 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: on top of everything. Come on, control heavy as the 672 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: head that wears the crown, you know what I mean? Controllers? 673 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: What's the boarder? Oh it's if ahead, No, dude, I 674 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: have this. I have this picture, like a small town 675 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: that is ruled by the iron grip of a comptrol. 676 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, And that's the that's the real 677 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: engine of the dramatic arc. It's okay, all right, obviously, 678 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: I think I'm just rewriting Breaking Bad in my head. Okay, 679 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: well that's not a bad thing too, to take on 680 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: a fear, the breaking back, the breaking bad. Oh my gosh, 681 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: you damned it. Wow. Okay, you're a producer, Okay, you're 682 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: the producer of this one the vote and let us 683 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: know a fear the breaking bad is no case spent off. 684 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: We promised to count your votes fairly. So the problem 685 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: is that the the math didn't quite work out there 686 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of other institutions that we can we 687 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,240 Speaker 1: can list on this and do show notes or something 688 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: if you if you'd like to have more information about this. 689 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: A lot of other institutions found fault with these claims. 690 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: There's the other idea that numerous non citizens are voting 691 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: through the use of fake identities. So they're taking some 692 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: of those one point eight million dead people voting as them, 693 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: or they're just stealing somebody else's information and voting as them. 694 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,439 Speaker 1: So let's let's look at the other side. Let's table 695 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 1: that just for a second. What if it turns out 696 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: that the reports of voter fraud are themselves fraudulent. For 697 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: every case that we have named above, it seems there's 698 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: very little translation to actual voter fraud. Now, we did, 699 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: we did do some digging, and we wanted, we wanted 700 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: very much to find real legitimate cases where these types 701 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: of voter fraud have been proven. And you know, Matt, 702 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: to your credit, you found several and organized them by 703 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 1: type there which we just explored. But the thing is, 704 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: we didn't find near as much as has been claimed, 705 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We didn't find hundreds of 706 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: thousands of people. We didn't find millions of people. And 707 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: this brings us to the question, is it is it 708 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: just being ruthlessly covered up? Is it being ignored? Are 709 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: all records of this being you know, purged? Well it 710 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: could be, or could it be been that this whole 711 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: voter fraud there's a fraud itself, right, the voter fraud fraud. 712 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: We'll find out after a word from our sponsor. Yes, 713 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 1: that's the question. Is their voter fraud fraud. At the 714 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: risk of you know, sounding glibe, because most of those 715 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: registration miscount you'll hear about WI you're huge and inherently 716 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: dangerous and arguably dangerous. They seem to come from This 717 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: is gonna be hard for a lot of us to take. 718 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: They seem to come from people being really lazy instead 719 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: of being determined to rig the game of democracy and governance. 720 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: And it can also be just to throw this one 721 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: in there, because of a lack of funding to update 722 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: some of the technology used and a lack of personnel 723 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: within a department, and like, let's say, however large the 724 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: um district is that has to count some votes or 725 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: do some kind of like auditing, it can have to 726 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 1: do with that too. Yeah. I think that's a really 727 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: fair point, man, because people aren't supposed to get rich 728 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: off of running the vote, you know what I mean. 729 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 1: But also with the registration thing, it's registration for voting 730 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: is supposed to happen at these very significant points in 731 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,720 Speaker 1: your life, you know what I mean, Like your name changes, 732 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: your address changes, you become eighteen, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah, that's 733 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: the name change thing too. Ud, you gotta know this 734 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 1: is great. That's great? You anymore? Oh those are good? 735 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: Well there, I guess the point we're making is that 736 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: these are life changes, and when you're moving to a 737 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,319 Speaker 1: different address, when you're getting married or so on, a 738 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: lot of people don't update their voter registration. It is 739 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: surprisingly or unsurprisingly low on their list of priorities. When 740 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: our loved ones die, we're usually not calling the voter 741 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: registration office first to get a dead person's name off 742 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: the poll. In fact, I would hazard and this is 743 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: entirely my assumption is entirely speculation. I could be very, 744 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,879 Speaker 1: very wrong in this. I would hazard many people, if 745 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,760 Speaker 1: not most, don't even know that's a thing you're supposed 746 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: to do. I could not tell you my grandmother passed 747 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: not that long ago. I could not tell you right 748 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: now whether or not she's still registered to vote, either 749 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 1: in Georgia, where she's been residing, or where where she 750 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: used to live in Tampa. I could not tell you that, 751 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: right I mean, it's it's not a thing that you 752 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: would normally think about in such a grief stricken, terrible 753 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: time in people's lives. But now I'm genuinely going to 754 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: go check. If I can't, I don't even am I 755 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: allowed to check as a grandson. All Right, I got 756 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: to do some more digging on this. And while you're digging, 757 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: let's let's continue down this rabbit hole a little bit further. 758 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: Because we mentioned that critics of what we'll call the 759 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: voter fraud conspiracy argue that there's a little evidence to 760 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 1: back up the more extreme claims. But here's the thing. 761 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: Many go further and say that those allegations about voter 762 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: fraud are conspiratorial in a different way. They are meant 763 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: to push another hidden agenda. Could voter fraud fears be 764 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: a means of disenfranchising certain parts of the voting population. 765 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: It's an interesting and fascinating question because you see both 766 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: political pundits and academics. Although the political people who argue 767 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: this are mainly on the left side of the aisle uh. 768 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: They say that voter fraud is simply a quote moral panic, 769 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: and that politicians are using concerns about this fraud as 770 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: a justification for establishing new rules that make it more 771 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: difficult to vote, and that function more like voter suppression 772 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,879 Speaker 1: than an attempt to maintain the integrity of elections. The 773 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,359 Speaker 1: primary methods they object to our voter id acts and 774 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: laws requiring proof of address or citizenship. So that's that's 775 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,440 Speaker 1: the other thing. If that is true, we have to 776 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: ask ourselves why would some states impose rules to fight 777 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: a mythical scourge. So according to Lorraine Minette, remember we 778 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,279 Speaker 1: mentioned her earlier. She she did the whole and analysis 779 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,320 Speaker 1: of voter fraud in the United States. She says, quote 780 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: it boils down to a political equation. The people who 781 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,880 Speaker 1: are less likely to be registered, young people, people of color, 782 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: naturalized citizens, and low income people are more likely to 783 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,840 Speaker 1: be Democrats. So in this case, she's saying that these 784 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: rules are these laws, these voter ide laws are targeting 785 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,320 Speaker 1: specifically people on one side of the political aisle um 786 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: and preventing them or in an attempt to make it 787 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: harder for them to register and then get to the polls. Okay, 788 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: so she clearly has pinned this on a specific party. Right, Yes, 789 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: she is aiming at Republicans, and she argues that these 790 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 1: voters are less likely to have a photo ID and 791 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: more likely to have a tough time getting one. And 792 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: then she said, is that as a result, Republicans, in 793 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: her opinion, are inclined to support voting restrictions like I 794 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 1: D laws, and Democrats are more likely to support lowering 795 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: those barriers via stuff like automatic registration pre registration. That's 796 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 1: when you're sixteen or seventeen years old, you can go 797 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 1: ahead and register hopefully, I'm sure, as they would imagine 798 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 1: as a Democrat or older, bills that allow voters to 799 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: register when they get a driver's license renew It's stuff 800 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,440 Speaker 1: like that. That's that's actually kind of cool. I like 801 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,360 Speaker 1: that if you can drive, you might as well be 802 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: registered to vote. I'm okay with that, Yeah, right. I 803 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,840 Speaker 1: think the logic there is is sound. So essentially, what 804 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: she's saying is both parties are attempting to change the 805 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,600 Speaker 1: rules in ways that are estimated to best help their 806 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: particular party, and this leads us to the conclusion, how 807 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: do we effectively safeguard against possible fraudulent voting? Matt, you're 808 00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 1: throwing your arms up. Just set the whole thing on fire. 809 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,359 Speaker 1: That's that's that's you know, I'm just joking. Um. Well, 810 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,759 Speaker 1: the New York Times, Uh, they wrote an article that 811 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,840 Speaker 1: comes at least in part from the National Academies of Science, Engineering, 812 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 1: and Medicine, which I mean, come on with that, with 813 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,239 Speaker 1: that behind something, you've got to know, there's there's some 814 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 1: salt to it. Um. And then we're just gonna read 815 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 1: this quote here. It says, amid a chorus of warnings 816 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: that the American election system is ground zero for foreign attackers, 817 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: a panel of leading scholars and election experts experts issued 818 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,720 Speaker 1: a sweeping set of recommendations on how to make elections 819 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: more secure. So this is directly from from these people, 820 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: the National Academies of Science and Engineering, Medicine. Here we go. 821 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 1: Number one, they said, always have a paper trail for 822 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,719 Speaker 1: every vote cast basically a receipt for every vote even 823 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 1: And this is if it's done like in Georgia where 824 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,800 Speaker 1: I vote, where you get those little like a I 825 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,360 Speaker 1: don't know, floppy disk, and you put the floppy disk in, 826 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 1: you hit your vote, take a floppy disc out and 827 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 1: give it to somebody else and then it gets counted somehow. Um, 828 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,760 Speaker 1: they're saying there should always be a re seat essentially 829 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: that you the voter gets to have, and that also 830 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,440 Speaker 1: the county gets to have or the district wherever you're voting. 831 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,279 Speaker 1: Makes a lot of sense. That's just for backup verification. 832 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: It's also for easy auditing a lot of times. And 833 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: currently there are five states Georgia, South Carolina, Louisiana, Delaware, 834 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,880 Speaker 1: and New Jersey, u in portions of several others that 835 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 1: do not have any kind of paper trail when you 836 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,319 Speaker 1: go and vote, like in our case, when I go 837 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: and vote every year whenever elections come up, and you 838 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,960 Speaker 1: tube probably been just depending on what county you're in, 839 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: you put that thing in that little that little chipped thing, 840 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,400 Speaker 1: it counts a vote, then it goes somewhere else and 841 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: you don't ever see it. Yeah, and then I just like, 842 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,359 Speaker 1: circle around, put on my flight suit and come back 843 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: in and vote as Max Powers astronaut with a secret 844 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 1: the mustache and everything. Yes, I thought that was you. 845 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,440 Speaker 1: Oh man, Okay, so it's number one. The next thing is, 846 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,520 Speaker 1: don't ever ever connect any voting systems ever at all, 847 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: ever with the Internet. Just don't do it because it's 848 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: so susceptible to being, you know, any kind of manipulation. 849 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 1: It can happen almost immediately upon hitting the the internet. 850 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,200 Speaker 1: Air gap that stuff and leave it that way. Um. 851 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 1: And this is only a problem really because in some 852 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 1: instances h u S citizens who are abroad can gain 853 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: access to online voting systems as well as service members 854 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,440 Speaker 1: who are abroad for overseas. That's really the only problems 855 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 1: where that happens. Um. Another thing, I mean, all this 856 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 1: stuff seems so it seems like stuff that Jimmy Carter 857 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,480 Speaker 1: and his organization at some point would be out there 858 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 1: saying we need to do this. We're we are in 859 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,680 Speaker 1: Zimbabwe or something. We're gonna have open elections for the 860 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,279 Speaker 1: first time. We're going to monitor these elections. Here's a 861 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,759 Speaker 1: huge list of things we need you to do. And 862 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,839 Speaker 1: it feels like it's the exact same list. I see 863 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 1: what you're saying, So so what what else? What else? 864 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: Is all this list? Transparent audits of all elections at 865 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,800 Speaker 1: the state level basically audit all data. You you scrub 866 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: all the private information, so the individual voters information, you 867 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,560 Speaker 1: get rid of all that, but you have all of 868 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: the votes, like the the metadata essentially and make that 869 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,759 Speaker 1: public so anyone who wants to check it can check it. 870 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: Pretty I mean, is I can see how that would 871 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 1: be easy to perceive as rigged. Okay, perhaps, but I 872 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,919 Speaker 1: mean if if again, you've got receipts on everything, So 873 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 1: on the district level, you've got an audit that's available 874 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,560 Speaker 1: online somewhere. On the state level, you've got an audit 875 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,759 Speaker 1: that's available somewhere of each district. And I don't know, 876 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like those things Okay, So 877 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 1: those things only work if they're all in implemented. Yeah, 878 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,560 Speaker 1: and everything at this current state, it's all just everybody's 879 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 1: on their own. Everybody's got their own Every state has 880 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,920 Speaker 1: their own system, and then largely the districts within the 881 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,920 Speaker 1: states have their own systems. And then there would be 882 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 1: the idea of a shared database, right, and what does 883 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,960 Speaker 1: that one. Mean, this is really good. So when there 884 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: are databases of voters, right, so everybody in Georgia that's 885 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,320 Speaker 1: one database, and then everybody in Florida that's another database. 886 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,160 Speaker 1: And then what you do is you take those two 887 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,719 Speaker 1: databases and see where there are duplicates. So if someone 888 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,479 Speaker 1: had moved from Georgia to Florida or Florida Georgia or something, 889 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,720 Speaker 1: you can eliminate whichever one. You can at least find 890 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,279 Speaker 1: where the error is and then begin to fix it. 891 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 1: But then for the sake of argument, then there there's 892 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,880 Speaker 1: there's potential for problems with that because multiple people have 893 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 1: the same name, so there would be like you know, 894 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,120 Speaker 1: you'd have to actually verify, so would both like Donnie 895 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: la Boy in Florida and Georgia lose their vote. Well 896 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,200 Speaker 1: here's here's uh, here's where the final thing. We're gonna 897 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 1: skip number six because it's just about mail voting and 898 00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 1: making a secure number seven. The most important thing here 899 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,920 Speaker 1: is inject federal and state funds into the voting process 900 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,840 Speaker 1: so that you can have at least a rolling system 901 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,920 Speaker 1: of checking those things with an actual human being or 902 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 1: set of hundreds of human beings checking these voter ballots 903 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: or the registrations. Let me say, so you can see 904 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 1: what the duplicates are and you could make a phone 905 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,000 Speaker 1: call to Joey or whoever called the poodle all the 906 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 1: poodles that are registered to make sure and they're on 907 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: the same poodle. But really, you you would spend some 908 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: money to get it right, and then you would continually 909 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 1: spend money every so often to keep getting it right. 910 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,320 Speaker 1: So why don't why don't people want to do that? 911 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 1: Why down officials want that to happen because it's expensive 912 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,920 Speaker 1: and it would be harder to manipulate. Ben that's just 913 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,520 Speaker 1: me talking tempted to that's tempted to agree to make 914 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: it even more cynical. I would probably add it's generally 915 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,040 Speaker 1: very difficult to get political officials to do something that 916 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 1: has positive benefits after they are out of office. Yeah. 917 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,640 Speaker 1: So you know, if you're if you are in office 918 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 1: for two year term, you're working on a to year mindset, right, 919 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 1: and that usually that to your mindset is oriented toward 920 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,400 Speaker 1: reelection for another few years in a different position, maybe 921 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:20,920 Speaker 1: a higher position controller for life. Bro Uh So that's 922 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 1: this is another question. There's almost nothing to do with this, 923 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 1: but it might be interesting. Uh, do you know if 924 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,960 Speaker 1: there are any other matt Fredericks. There are a ton 925 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,400 Speaker 1: of matt Frederick Are you serious? Yeah, there really are. 926 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,040 Speaker 1: There some incredible people out there named Matt Frederick. Some 927 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,480 Speaker 1: of them don't have any between fred and Rick, some 928 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 1: of them do. Some of them are straight up Matthews. 929 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,320 Speaker 1: Some of them are only Matts. Some of them. I 930 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 1: don't think there's another Matthew Tom. No, there is another 931 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,880 Speaker 1: Matthew Thomas Frederick. Dang, that's just wondering. I don't want 932 00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,200 Speaker 1: you to lose your right to vote. Oh no, but 933 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 1: but for now, you know the all the Matt Frederick's 934 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 1: I've met who are only you are great people and 935 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: look up to them immensely. For now, though, it seems 936 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 1: that most allegations of voter fraud end up not being 937 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,520 Speaker 1: supported by research or data from multiple institutions, and this 938 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,280 Speaker 1: means that if such a thing is occurring, then it 939 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,920 Speaker 1: would be a massive cover up involving not just thousands, 940 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: but hundreds of thousands of people in the media, the 941 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:37,240 Speaker 1: election system, think tanks, universities, polling analysis, the courts, numerous 942 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,960 Speaker 1: branches of government staffed with officials of all political ideologies, 943 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: and more. This is all not counting of course, those 944 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,840 Speaker 1: actual mystery voters. To put it, to put it mildly, 945 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,040 Speaker 1: it's a tall milkshake. It's a lot to take in. 946 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,560 Speaker 1: So we wanted to end on a question for you, folks, 947 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:59,320 Speaker 1: what do you think which of these two conspiracies do 948 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,920 Speaker 1: you find more credible? Is there a widespread voter fraud 949 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,919 Speaker 1: as described so often in the media, or is voter 950 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:13,000 Speaker 1: fraud itself a conspiracy meant to drive suppressive voting policies. 951 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,040 Speaker 1: We we'd like to hear your opinion. We'd also like 952 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: to hear and this is just this is the kind 953 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 1: of talk that you're not allowed to have in a bar, 954 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,040 Speaker 1: so we'd like to have it with you here in 955 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,640 Speaker 1: the podcast. You know, you know that thing like you're 956 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: never supposed to talk what religion or politics at a bar. 957 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:37,080 Speaker 1: And I think there was one other one. You're uber driver, right, sure, 958 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,640 Speaker 1: all those those three things. But this will this is 959 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 1: our collective opportunity, all of us too ask ourselves questions 960 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,200 Speaker 1: about the vote. If you were in charge of revamping 961 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,360 Speaker 1: the voting system, what is a change you would make. 962 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,360 Speaker 1: For a long time, I was a big proponent of 963 01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,520 Speaker 1: making it mandatory for every citizen to vote. Uh, that 964 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 1: might be a little bit authoritarian of me. I was 965 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 1: going through a desperate phase at that time in my life. 966 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 1: But this might surprise non US residents who are listening 967 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:16,480 Speaker 1: to the show find a true story in the US, 968 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 1: election day is not a holiday you have. You are 969 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,720 Speaker 1: left on your own to figure that out. So maybe 970 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,480 Speaker 1: that would be a change to make. I don't know. Tuesday, 971 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,880 Speaker 1: it's a Tuesday. It's not a convenient day. A lot 972 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 1: of work to be done on Tuesdays. Yeah, yeah, Monday, 973 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,400 Speaker 1: you still have a little bit of like the optimism 974 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,360 Speaker 1: that you can organize everything in a week. Tuesday, that's 975 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,280 Speaker 1: when the rubber hits the road, my friend, that's the 976 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,680 Speaker 1: Oh god, this isn't this isn't happening. Okay, we gotta 977 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,800 Speaker 1: we have to Uh, we have to have lower and expectation. 978 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,480 Speaker 1: So let us know what you think you can. You know, 979 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,640 Speaker 1: you can find us on the internet, where I feel 980 01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 1: like we say it all the time, because you say 981 01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,760 Speaker 1: at the end of every show, that's fine, you can 982 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,920 Speaker 1: find just there tell us about it. We'd love to 983 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,560 Speaker 1: hear from you, but more importantly, we'd love to have 984 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:11,160 Speaker 1: you tell us about it live in person because we 985 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,320 Speaker 1: are going on tour. That's right, go to stuff they 986 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,000 Speaker 1: don't want you to know dot com. That's our website. 987 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,240 Speaker 1: Click on the tab up in the top right corner. 988 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,200 Speaker 1: It says live shows. You can see where we're gonna be. 989 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna be in October of this year. If you're 990 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,600 Speaker 1: listening to this in October that you better hurry over 991 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 1: there and get some tickets because we might be in 992 01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,880 Speaker 1: your area very very soon. So buy tickets while you 993 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 1: can come see us. It'll be a lot of fun 994 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,040 Speaker 1: because really, I don't know. I think we're okay to 995 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,600 Speaker 1: hang out with and we want to hang out with 996 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,040 Speaker 1: you because we hear you're awesome. And no spoilers for 997 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,720 Speaker 1: the show, but it is not to be missed and 998 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,640 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's not going to be the kind of 999 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,520 Speaker 1: thing you hear on the podcast. No, if you like 1000 01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: this show, you will love the live shows. Do check 1001 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,280 Speaker 1: it out. Of feel free to write to us if 1002 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,560 Speaker 1: you have any questions, feel free to call us. That 1003 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,600 Speaker 1: people can call us now, Yeah, you can call us 1004 01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,640 Speaker 1: one eight three three st d w y t k 1005 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,400 Speaker 1: uh and just leave a voice message. You might get 1006 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,320 Speaker 1: on the air. All right, but there's let's say all 1007 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,360 Speaker 1: of that hullabaloo sounds interesting, but you have something important 1008 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,120 Speaker 1: that you want your fellow listeners to know. It's the 1009 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,600 Speaker 1: most important part of this show. And you don't. You 1010 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,160 Speaker 1: don't like the social media stuff, which we totally get, 1011 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,400 Speaker 1: and you're not that much for phone calls, which would 1012 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,840 Speaker 1: totally get. The good news is you can write to 1013 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:58,520 Speaker 1: us directly. We are conspiracy at how stuff works dot com.