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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the forty Night as You've Got Male

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Speaker 1: podcast sponsored by Manscape. This week we are joined by

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Speaker 1: Miss Sally Cavail forty Night as pro personnel Analysts, also

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Speaker 1: the NFL's first black female scout, hailing from Nolins. You

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Speaker 1: have to call it that, right, that's the correct No

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Speaker 1: New Orleans please? I think is that this the out

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Speaker 1: of towners way of saying it? Yes, because at home

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Speaker 1: we don't. We don't say that at all. No. Failing

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Speaker 1: from New Orleans, Louisian. I'm making her way to the

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Speaker 1: Bay Area. So, Sally, I have the most important question

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Speaker 1: that I have to ask you, um, now that you

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Speaker 1: are in the Bay area, have you found good creole food? No? No,

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Speaker 1: that's the easy answer. No, really no, not even close, Kana,

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Speaker 1: not even close. Wow. I'm sorry, Bay, I'm sorry Bay,

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Speaker 1: but no, No, you gotta go home to get that

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Speaker 1: authentic New Orleans food. Have to. That's the only place

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get it, just how we make it in

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Speaker 1: New Orleance. That's the only place. Enough said, I trust

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Speaker 1: the professional you know about good authentic New Orleans foods

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Speaker 1: that I ever will said. I will say though, Forday

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Speaker 1: Nighters are fortunate to play there twice in the last

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Speaker 1: two years. The best food of my life on that trip.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you, if you're not careful, you

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Speaker 1: can gain five pounds in two days. It's real easy

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Speaker 1: to do that. It's worth it. It's worth it, especially

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Speaker 1: um when you know you feel food food deprived. Not

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Speaker 1: saying there's anything wrong with a lot of Bay Area food,

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Speaker 1: but I missed that that Southern cooking that I haven't

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Speaker 1: really had in a really long time somehow. All right,

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Speaker 1: So before we get into the football questions, I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about your path. You receive your bachelor's and

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Speaker 1: master degrees at sam Houston State, played college basketball. Take

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Speaker 1: us from there. How did your involvement in sports you

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Speaker 1: to where you are now? Okay? So while that Sam Uh,

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Speaker 1: like you just mentioned, I got my masters. Um. So

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Speaker 1: in my master's program, you were required to get a internship.

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Speaker 1: So I was just like, man, you know, I'm ready

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Speaker 1: to go home, um and I want to intern with

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Speaker 1: a sport that I didn't play. I didn't play football. UM.

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Speaker 1: So I reached out to the former head football coach

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Speaker 1: that was at Sam Houston, Willie fritz Um, who was

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Speaker 1: now at two lanes. So I reached out to him

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Speaker 1: and I said, you know, hey, UM, want to come

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Speaker 1: back home. I want to intern with you all during

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Speaker 1: the the training camp aspect of a portion of it.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, sound like come on home,

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Speaker 1: but just know this is gonna be none paid. So UM,

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Speaker 1: that was a decision I had to make. UM. And

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Speaker 1: like I said, going home, it was it was kind

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Speaker 1: of a pretty easy decision. UM. So I just stayed

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Speaker 1: with my parents for those those summer months. UM. And

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Speaker 1: then once the season started up in August. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: came to me and he was like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: Would you like to um be full time? And I

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I mean I don't have a job,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, yes I would be. UM. So that's kind

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Speaker 1: of how this path, this career path forged. So then

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Speaker 1: down the line, you received that opportunity with the forty niners.

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Speaker 1: Did it ever cross your mind that there's literally no

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Speaker 1: one like you in that role doing what you do? Um? Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even think about it. I just said, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm a find way to do it, and it never

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Speaker 1: only that never crossed my line and still to like today,

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Speaker 1: like it's still like I don't feel it, Like I

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Speaker 1: don't feel any different, you know what I'm saying, Like

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Speaker 1: it's normal to me. So even now, it's just like

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Speaker 1: I'm just a scout. I'm pro scout. That's it. That's it,

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Speaker 1: that's it's the title. Um So, given that there aren't

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Speaker 1: many women, let alone black women in this field, who

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Speaker 1: is there anybody that you look up to? Who do

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Speaker 1: you kind of see as a mentor? Is there anybody

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Speaker 1: My mentor would be rand Carthon uh our pro director

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Speaker 1: and Brandon Hood Um, the Pittsburgh Steelers pro directors. Those

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Speaker 1: would be my two mentors and their black males. Um

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Speaker 1: So those I look up to those guys a lot.

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Speaker 1: I rely on them for advice, um for information. I

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Speaker 1: consider in this business right now? Okay, so give us

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Speaker 1: a rundown. What does a pro personnel analysts role look like?

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Speaker 1: What is it that you do UM, So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go from preseason to now. Okay, I'm gonna break that down. So, UM,

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Speaker 1: training camp time is when the rosters are full, right,

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Speaker 1: So that is our one of our busiest times. UM.

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Speaker 1: So we come in training camp, we evaluate now roster,

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Speaker 1: and then once preseason games start, then we start evaluating

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Speaker 1: the rosters across the league. UM and you know, like

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Speaker 1: just always trying to get a feel for what's going

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Speaker 1: on across the league. So that's the entire training camp process,

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Speaker 1: just watching all the other third or one teams across

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Speaker 1: the league, evaluating those rosters. Season come. Now it's more

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Speaker 1: UM specific to us in terms of UM SO, I

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Speaker 1: do advances. So what we have is advances, and basically

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Speaker 1: our advances are UM scouting reports on upcoming opponents that

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Speaker 1: we play to our coaches. So that's kind of during

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Speaker 1: the season, just hey, making sure we we know the

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Speaker 1: now we move into free agency and we're starting meetings

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Speaker 1: tomorrow actually, UM, and that's another very very busy time

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Speaker 1: for us because now you're really really focusing on guys

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Speaker 1: that fit your culture, that fit your scheme, that fit

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Speaker 1: what you're trying to build within your organization. So again

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Speaker 1: we're just uh scouring the other third one teams and

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Speaker 1: just looking at guys that can come in and have

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Speaker 1: jump back to what we were just talking about, and

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Speaker 1: I know we brought up that you didn't really pay

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Speaker 1: much attention to not so many people looking like you

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Speaker 1: having that role. It was more so you coming in

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Speaker 1: and doing your job. And that was the gist of it.

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Speaker 1: But since you are the only woman in your role,

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Speaker 1: are there any challenges that you feel like you might face? Um? Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I haven't faced anything. If if you ex ran, he

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Speaker 1: thinks that I get special treatment here, Um, he thinks

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Speaker 1: that I always get my way here. Um. But no,

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Speaker 1: like any challenges I faced. None. Um. There's never been

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Speaker 1: a time where it was like, oh, hey, sell she's

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Speaker 1: she's talking about There's never been a time, um that

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like that you really know what she's talking about.

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Speaker 1: It's like, hey, so thank you for this information. It's

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Speaker 1: personally faced any challenges. I think that's a big testament

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Speaker 1: seeing something where I believe it was John Lynch was

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Speaker 1: talking about you, and it was never you know, because

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Speaker 1: your work at the what you brought to the table.

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Speaker 1: How that gave you a leg up over other people

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Speaker 1: And and it a lot has to do with who

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Speaker 1: it's seen throughout the organization. And you're behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: kind of person. You don't really like doing interviews and

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Speaker 1: stuff like this, but we hear your name so often,

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Speaker 1: having never perfect played football professionally, how do you evaluate talent? Um?

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Speaker 1: I think that everybody has some type of evaluation in them, right,

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Speaker 1: whether you look at me and say, you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: I think that everybody has a level of evaluation in them. Um.

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Speaker 1: Playing basketball just kind of gave me a better insight

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Speaker 1: then everything else, Uh, the different terminology if he filled

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Speaker 1: Probably the biggest challenge was actually getting your eyes on players. UM,

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Speaker 1: you continue to break barriers? And deservingly so, But what

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Speaker 1: Is your greatest accomplishment so far? Who my greatest accomplishment? Um?

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Speaker 1: I think my greatest accomplishment is just continuing to learn um.

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Speaker 1: If and everybody, If you know me, I'm very upfront

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Speaker 1: about a lot of things. I don't really there's not

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Speaker 1: I'm very upfront, but I'm very open and I will

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Speaker 1: my greatest accomplishment is just being vulnerable and open to like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand, Like, yeah, this terminology is normal for

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Speaker 1: is to become a GM. Yes, why is that? UM?

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Speaker 1: every UM. Obviously the goal is to build a winning

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