Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid Verbal coll that for me, I'm
Speaker 1: a man.
Speaker 2: I'm for I've heard so many players say, well, I
Speaker 2: want to be happy, you want to be happy for
Speaker 2: dake Ado State? Is that?
Speaker 1: Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal boys and girls.
Speaker 1: My name is ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over
Speaker 1: there in New York City, my good friend Dan Rubinstein.
Speaker 2: Sir, sir, how are you? I'm pretty good. I'm slowly
Speaker 2: but surely moving into what will eventually become the home
Speaker 2: studio slash second room, slash soft and soundproof experience. It's
Speaker 2: going pretty well. I've got three three shoe boxes stacked
Speaker 2: up for my mic stands that is hosting the microphone
Speaker 2: on which I'm speaking.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't know if I've mentioned
Speaker 1: this in the show, but I recently purchased a house.
Speaker 1: Whoa yeah, and that means I get to rebuild my
Speaker 1: studio in a different locale, which I'm very excited about
Speaker 1: in all the nerdiest possible ways. You know me, I'm
Speaker 1: very excited about it. Right, So you're building your studio
Speaker 1: now in your new Prisi and in a matter of
Speaker 1: weeks I'm going to be rebuilding solid Verble. I guess
Speaker 1: it'd be West Soliverble, Pennsylvania headquarters over here on this
Speaker 1: end of things. So exciting times ahead.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a solid verbal compound because you like
Speaker 2: that so much more room. So on top of everything
Speaker 2: that I assume is horrible about moving into and buying
Speaker 2: and dealing with all of the extracurriculars involved with buying
Speaker 2: a house, right, I mean, it's all good stuff.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, it's not ultimately good, but I'm just saying to
Speaker 1: truly complain about. But yeah, in addition to all the
Speaker 1: other considerations, Yeah, we've got to consider acoustics and lighting
Speaker 1: and things of that nature.
Speaker 2: Sure, No, I'm thinking specifically, like there are headaches involved
Speaker 2: with buying a house. Sure, oh, you you specific are
Speaker 2: probably spending and I'm just guessing here seven to eight mil. Oh,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And no, you're dealing with inspectors, and you're dealing with
Speaker 2: down payments in the bank and which neighborhood and you know,
Speaker 2: I guess you have to consider things like school districts eventually,
Speaker 2: and you know, proximity to family. There's just a ton
Speaker 2: that goes into it. I assume having never gone through
Speaker 2: that process, but something that I feel like won't be
Speaker 2: a headache. You have like a new audio pet project
Speaker 2: to look forward to.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And you could ask Solid Life Kate about this,
Speaker 1: she'd back me up. But while she's in there asking
Speaker 1: about flooring and colors, I'm wondering, Okay, where do we
Speaker 1: set up the internet beacons in here to get optimal coverage?
Speaker 1: And which one of these rooms is going to be
Speaker 1: the eventual soliverrable studios?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the most how's the backyard? Backyard's much bigger?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can do my little Saturday Facebook things from
Speaker 1: an actual yard. Now going a little nature walk.
Speaker 2: That's incredible. More to come on that, but okay, I see,
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the process leading up to your web Yeah,
Speaker 2: just dissecting and deep diving.
Speaker 1: Every Well, we'll tell story. We'll have story time after
Speaker 1: this whole thing is on ice.
Speaker 2: Okay. So as it relates more to College ESA and
Speaker 2: the Solid Verbal what's new we got? What's not new?
Speaker 1: Dan? We got a lot going on here. You're building
Speaker 1: a studio. I'm about to rebuild mine. Uh, We've got
Speaker 1: a new website coming, yes at solidverbal dot com. We've
Speaker 1: had people write in and ask about that here and there.
Speaker 1: Our website isn't so much an attraction for people because
Speaker 1: a lot of folks who listen to the show, they
Speaker 1: just subscribe in a podcast app. But we decided that
Speaker 1: we wanted to work with some of our friends, who
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll discuss in a little bit more detail
Speaker 1: once things actually start to materialize. But we wanted to
Speaker 1: build a better experience for people who were just finding
Speaker 1: out about us, or for people who you know, might
Speaker 1: want to go and find out about a deal something
Speaker 1: that they heard on the show. So we are in
Speaker 1: the process of getting the new website built right now.
Speaker 1: We're excited about that.
Speaker 2: We have a new website. In addition to that, we've
Speaker 2: mentioned that in August we're going to do a live
Speaker 2: show for the Fantasy Things Draft.
Speaker 1: Correct, that is correct, the live show. Yeah, very exciting.
Speaker 2: We will be doing that in Chicago, Illinois. We are boom,
Speaker 2: very excited. A very big city for verballers, a big
Speaker 2: city for college football, being that so many people that
Speaker 2: go to Big ten schools find themselves in the Windy City,
Speaker 2: the second City, shy Town, and we could not be
Speaker 2: more excited to be doing our live show there, so
Speaker 2: that will be at some point hopefully mid.
Speaker 1: Ish Yeah, I would say earliest early to mid August
Speaker 1: would probably be the ideal target for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And part of the reason what are we doing
Speaker 2: the show in mid April? Yeah, part of the reason
Speaker 2: we are saying it this far ahead of time is
Speaker 2: we want to make sure that the venue that we
Speaker 2: choose is the best we can possibly do for the
Speaker 2: Fantasy Things draft, because we know we have a lot
Speaker 2: of listeners in Chicago, we want to make sure everybody
Speaker 2: can fit in Atlanta. Was a super fun show, but
Speaker 2: ultimately the venue was kind of a pain. We were
Speaker 2: setting up chairs before everything started, which is not ideal
Speaker 2: as we wanted to get ready for the show itself,
Speaker 2: and we were promised certain capacities that weren't really accurate.
Speaker 2: So we want to go above and beyond for our
Speaker 2: Chicago show. And that said, tie, if anybody out there
Speaker 2: knows Chicago venues, live podcast venues, somebody in Atlanta too
Speaker 2: late had suggested a brewery that does live events whatever,
Speaker 2: let us know. We know we have a lot of
Speaker 2: Chicago people there, so yeah, we do. We are. We
Speaker 2: could not be more excited for our Chicago show.
Speaker 1: That is going to be our big end of summer
Speaker 1: shindig and gosh, you're coming in hot here. I know
Speaker 1: you took a nap before this show. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if the publicist had a chance to kind of
Speaker 1: get out in front of the story. You know, sure
Speaker 1: that we have one, but still there Coago. It will
Speaker 1: be for the fantasy things in twenty eighteen. More to
Speaker 1: come on that front and reach on out if you're
Speaker 1: interested at sliverbal at gmail dot com, also Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
Speaker 1: all the social channels, and there may or may not
Speaker 1: be a bonus live show city yeah in there at
Speaker 1: some point as well. It's something that Dan and I
Speaker 1: are in the process of discussing now. But lord knows,
Speaker 1: there's been enough interest around the country and at some
Speaker 1: point we want to make sure that we get to
Speaker 1: all of these cool places where we've got real hubs
Speaker 1: of verballers. So we'll see more to come on that front,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll you know, might be on the East coast.
Speaker 2: We might try to go Central Texas or something like that, California.
Speaker 2: We know we have a good number of listeners, so
Speaker 2: we have options. But we are for sure doing the
Speaker 2: Fantasy Things Draft show in Chicago, for sure, so.
Speaker 1: Plan on it probably a Saturday in early to mid August.
Speaker 1: Correct the final note, While we're talking about sites and shows,
Speaker 1: let's talk about shirts. Because the Solid Verbal shirts have
Speaker 1: been immensely popular over the last couple of years, we
Speaker 1: have gradually gotten both better and worse at taking those orders,
Speaker 1: and so we have a completely rethought model that we're
Speaker 1: going to be rolling out in tandem with our upcoming website,
Speaker 1: where we'll not only offer new Solid Verbal shirts, but
Speaker 1: also other show related items as well, and maybe items
Speaker 1: that are just more school or town related as well,
Speaker 1: strapless bras. Now I realize that's not exactly the most
Speaker 1: specific of details, but there will be more forthcoming on
Speaker 1: that front. We've had great response to the stuff that
Speaker 1: we sold in the past, and we're excited about what's
Speaker 1: to come in the future. Here in the immediate future,
Speaker 1: hopefully in the next couple months or so.
Speaker 2: New Solid verbal shirts, new non Solid verbal shirts, but
Speaker 2: having to do with relevant interests in a streamline package.
Speaker 1: There you go, that makes sense absolutely all right, well, Nail,
Speaker 1: And finally, the sun is out and it seems as
Speaker 1: if it's going to be much warmer by the end
Speaker 1: this week. A lot of folks are in this boat
Speaker 1: now where where spring is right around the corner, and
Speaker 1: it's starting to feel real, And so we wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of do a show on the heels of our
Speaker 1: spring forward show from a week ago something that was
Speaker 1: also spring themed. Is that right?
Speaker 2: That is correct? Can I ask you something anything?
Speaker 1: Dan?
Speaker 2: Did you go to dances in like seventh grade, junior high,
Speaker 2: middle school? Did you do you remember those dances?
Speaker 1: I didn't got a whole lot of them.
Speaker 2: Really, Okay, Well, I'm going to open up something for you.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've watched movies. I'm sure you've watched episode
Speaker 2: of Boy Meets World in two. Here's the general dynamic
Speaker 2: that you need to think about. There are a lot
Speaker 2: of shy thirteen and fourteen year olds out there, ty, I.
Speaker 1: Was one of them. That's why I didn't go to
Speaker 1: that many of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get you, and a lot goes into having
Speaker 2: a good time at one of these dances, but you
Speaker 2: know you're going through changes. You got a crush on
Speaker 2: a fella or a lady across the dance floor, and
Speaker 2: the people who generally end up succeeding at these dances
Speaker 2: in dancing and having a great time and getting over
Speaker 2: their nerves. Are the people that have things put together,
Speaker 2: that they dress up nicely, they're confident, they're shameless, they
Speaker 2: don't care about having some fun on the dance floor.
Speaker 2: They just look like they're having a good time and
Speaker 2: other people want to be around. Are you describing yourself here?
Speaker 2: Is this say? No, I'm definitely not. But there are
Speaker 2: different types of people at these dances. You mentioned that
Speaker 2: you were a shier kid. That's totally fine. I think
Speaker 2: everybody was. Basically, we spend a lot of time on
Speaker 2: this show talking about the popular kids, talking about the
Speaker 2: kids who just get out there, who have certain advantages.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're tall, maybe they're tan, maybe they're strong, maybe
Speaker 2: they're athletes, maybe they are they have great hair, maybe
Speaker 2: they're just super confident. You know, we talk about those
Speaker 2: kids a lot. Tie and we're not going to go
Speaker 2: fully shy or fully sitting in the corner with a
Speaker 2: cup of punch or something like that. But I think
Speaker 2: the majority of kids at these dances, these junior high dances, tie,
Speaker 2: they have potential. They're starting to put things together and
Speaker 2: understand how that world of the dance works world of
Speaker 2: the dance. Sure, maybe they cleaned up nicely. Maybe they
Speaker 2: made a good impression in social studies the past couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. Somebody they might have a crush on. On
Speaker 2: the other side of the dance floor. They're on the
Speaker 2: cusp tie. They're showing things, they're ready.
Speaker 1: To blow, really playing this up.
Speaker 2: Man, you know what I'm talking about here, Ty, We
Speaker 2: have ten teams here today. These are not the popular
Speaker 2: kids tie, but they're showing potential. They clean up nicely
Speaker 2: at times, they're wearing nice shoes. Hey, those pants look
Speaker 2: really nice. Brandon look like that when he wasn't covered in.
Speaker 1: Dirt, Brandon, Right. Sure, So we have.
Speaker 2: Ten teams here today that we admittedly don't talk about
Speaker 2: a lot. And I don't think and I think you'll
Speaker 2: agree with me. I don't know if that's necessarily right.
Speaker 1: It's never right. We hear from all sorts of fan bases.
Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of meeting with a longtime listener
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and his response was that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the show. I wish you'd talked more Ohio State.
Speaker 1: And we can very easily meet a Michigan fan who
Speaker 1: would say gosh, I love the show. I really wish
Speaker 1: he talked to Michigan. It seems no matter what fan
Speaker 1: base we have the pleasure of interacting with, they always
Speaker 1: wish we talked about their team more.
Speaker 2: I remember on signing day an Ohio State fan was like,
Speaker 2: they only spent five minutes on Ohio State's correct.
Speaker 1: And that's the problem because we're a national show, and
Speaker 1: so many of the teams here that we're going to
Speaker 1: discuss today aren't ones that we had as much a
Speaker 1: chance to discuss as perhaps we would have liked. An
Speaker 1: important note here on how we picked these teams. M HM,
Speaker 1: Dan and I went through in a g chat and
Speaker 1: we looked at all the teams that we think we
Speaker 1: talk a lot about the big market schools, if you
Speaker 1: want to call it that, the bigger blue blood programs
Speaker 1: that everyone is used to hearing about on this show
Speaker 1: and other shows. We eliminated them from the equation your
Speaker 1: lee high's your last yeats, your buckets. We had five
Speaker 1: round serpentine fantasy style draft. Yes, I had the first pick.
Speaker 1: I took Arkansas Welcome Hogs. I'm going to talk about
Speaker 1: them first here.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of promise Ti promising potential. This is
Speaker 2: this is the very small periodic table of elements.
Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, so let me start with Arkansas, now
Speaker 1: that I've given away the farm here, Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: The Hogs went four and eight last year. Then they
Speaker 1: fired Brett Beilamah, which is so of a long time coming.
Speaker 1: Arkansas fans were had to be done, I think, ready
Speaker 1: to see the end of Brett Bieloman. Not because they
Speaker 1: didn't like Brett Bielma, but Brett Bielima just he didn't
Speaker 1: deliver on the promise. When he came in to Faetteville.
Speaker 1: There was a sense that he was going to build
Speaker 1: this awesome ground attack, and to some extent he kind
Speaker 1: of did in spots. But the problem was defense. They
Speaker 1: just couldn't stop anybody, right, we saw that last year.
Speaker 1: They gave up something like thirty six points per game,
Speaker 1: so that being the worst in the SEC, the offense
Speaker 1: maybe not being entirely up to snuff, it just it
Speaker 1: wasn't enough to get the job done. They went four
Speaker 1: and eight, they got rid of Beilama and now they
Speaker 1: bring in Chad Morris. H Chad Morris, formerly of SMU,
Speaker 1: formerly of Clemson Fame. He comes in what sort of
Speaker 1: the mantra of Chad Morris as it relates to the
Speaker 1: scheme that he's going to put forward Dan, He's.
Speaker 2: Gonna spread things out, he's gonna take shots downfield, He's
Speaker 2: going to recruit speed. He is going to sort of
Speaker 2: have misdirection. If you remember, Chad Morris installed and succeeded
Speaker 2: with the Clemson offense that eventually not under his tutelage,
Speaker 2: but eventually won a national championship with the Shaun Watson.
Speaker 2: So he has the reputation of building offenses that can
Speaker 2: put fireworks onto the field on a national level.
Speaker 1: Can you envision an offense more different from what we
Speaker 1: saw last year from Brett Bilima.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as different. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: his offense evolved. They threw a lot last year, but
Speaker 2: it was catch as catch can. It was not at
Speaker 2: all consistent and at least it had somewhat of an identity.
Speaker 2: But in terms of what they're going to do or
Speaker 2: what we believe they'll do under Chad Morris, it is
Speaker 2: certainly a departure in terms of philogoph Yeah, take time,
Speaker 2: big time.
Speaker 1: So the Hogs, the Hogs are coming in hot here
Speaker 1: they rate played their spring game this past weekend. The read,
Speaker 1: the instant read from that game is that the defense
Speaker 1: played better than the offense, even though technically the offense
Speaker 1: won something like twenty seven to twenty five, whate whatever
Speaker 1: Byzantine scoring system they used down there. The offense won,
Speaker 1: but the defense actually came away playing a little bit better.
Speaker 1: And that that is a site for sore eyes. Because
Speaker 1: for as much has been made about the Chad Morris
Speaker 1: hiring and his style and how big a departure it
Speaker 1: might be from Brett Bielama, it shouldn't be lost in
Speaker 1: anyone that the new defensive coordinator in Arkansas is John Chavis, right,
Speaker 1: and John Chavis has been around the SEC forever. Might
Speaker 1: not have been quite the profit that folks hoped in
Speaker 1: Texas A and M when he went there after leaving LSU,
Speaker 1: but when you got the worst defense in the conference
Speaker 1: like Arkansas did a year ago, John Chaves works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that works.
Speaker 1: To see that you've got somebody in there on the
Speaker 1: defensive side who's had some degree of success coming into town,
Speaker 1: I would think he would have to improve things immeasurably
Speaker 1: and right away.
Speaker 2: Is that fair? Yeah? I think so. And The most
Speaker 2: success that he has had has been with defensive lines
Speaker 2: filled with NFL talent, So that was you know, LSU
Speaker 2: and Tennessee namely, And even though he had NFL talent
Speaker 2: at Texas A and M, I don't think the depth
Speaker 2: and consistency was necessarily there, but the talent most certainly
Speaker 2: was highlighted by Miles Garrett. The big thing for me,
Speaker 2: I mean, and the big thing I think for everybody
Speaker 2: looking at this Arkansas defense is fundamentally can they improve?
Speaker 2: They've been so bad just doing basic things, making incorrect reads,
Speaker 2: wrapping up too many explosion plays yards after contact, basic
Speaker 2: things that an SEC West defense given the available talent.
Speaker 2: And I know Arkansas is never going to recruit on
Speaker 2: LSU or Texts A and M or Alabama's level, but
Speaker 2: they should be able to put together recruiting classes of
Speaker 2: high three star defensive players who end up looking like
Speaker 2: star blue chip types every so often. So if they're
Speaker 2: able to recruit on defense and put and I know
Speaker 2: this is tough sometimes when you have an offensive minded
Speaker 2: head coach, if they can start shifting more and more
Speaker 2: of the talent to defense, you know, maybe not put
Speaker 2: a guy at receiver, maybe he's a safety, maybe he's
Speaker 2: not a tight end, maybe he's an outside linebacker. That's
Speaker 2: when I think you will see John Chavis if he
Speaker 2: is going to have success, that's when it'll come.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair this year. I think you feel
Speaker 1: better about the secondary. You hope that Drake Greenlaw as
Speaker 1: the anchor of the linebacking corps can work out. Curious
Speaker 1: about what the front looks like and their depth up front,
Speaker 1: but they got some pieces to build around offense. I'm
Speaker 1: very curious because Cole Kelly is this giant man at
Speaker 1: six seven, like two seventy, just a big freaking dude
Speaker 1: who we saw with a couple starts last year. He's
Speaker 1: probably got the best physical tools of anyone on that
Speaker 1: quarterback depth chart. Tie Story is another name who could
Speaker 1: work his way in. But if you're Chad Morris, if
Speaker 1: you're building something, you've got two quarterbacks, one who certainly
Speaker 1: has the smarts to run the offense, another one who
Speaker 1: just blows away with his physical tools, and just a
Speaker 1: lot back around those guys both along the line, all
Speaker 1: the top receiving targets the running back position, if nothing
Speaker 1: else after Brett Bielma is pretty stocked so there is
Speaker 1: so much reason here I think to be optimistic. I
Speaker 1: feel like Arkansas is gonna knock somebody off at some point,
Speaker 1: Like they might not be consistent because they play an
Speaker 1: SEC schedule and it's hard to be consistent. But they're
Speaker 1: going to catch somebody in twenty eighteen. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go on record it's LSU. It's at home, it's November tenth.
Speaker 1: That's the game that they get that opens eyes.
Speaker 2: It's a good time to be going through changes in
Speaker 2: the SEC West. We've mentioned this before, but new coach
Speaker 2: of Tech's A and M, new full time coach at
Speaker 2: ole Miss, new coach in Mississippi State, LSU's off. It's
Speaker 2: a new offensive, new old offensive coordinator. But this is
Speaker 2: right now a good time to have LSU on the schedule,
Speaker 2: given the uneven nature of recent LSU. So all things considered,
Speaker 2: it hasn't been that long since the defense of twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: right the back half that shut out Ole Miss and LSU.
Speaker 2: It's doable. It's modern doable to mount a good defense
Speaker 2: if you're Arkansas. So I don't know how much optimism
Speaker 2: I have, but I see the elements. We must move on.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about one of your draft picks, Dan, who
Speaker 1: do you got your eye on here? Budding potential?
Speaker 2: All right, so let's talk k State. I think Kseate
Speaker 2: is one of the more interesting teams and situations one
Speaker 2: because there is the element of how long is the
Speaker 2: coach going to be there that they treasure and love
Speaker 2: and has done so many excellent things for the university.
Speaker 1: The man is immortal at this point, Dan, Yes, mortal.
Speaker 2: When I was pouring through some things, just sort of
Speaker 2: getting up to date on k State, in the back
Speaker 2: of my mind, I was like, man, they are just
Speaker 2: the most seven and a half and four and a
Speaker 2: half team that exists. Sure enough. Their average record over
Speaker 2: the past five years so since the Colin Klein Fiesta
Speaker 2: Bowl team, their average record I believe is seven point
Speaker 2: four and four point six during the regular season. So
Speaker 2: that's seven and five, nine and three, six and six,
Speaker 2: eight and four, seven and five. And they beat UCLA
Speaker 2: in their bowl game last year without Josh Rosen. So
Speaker 2: here's the thing about k State, new coordinators, same head coach.
Speaker 2: They played like fifteen quarterbacks last year. Jesse Ertz is gone.
Speaker 2: But if you remember, Skyler Thompson had a really, really
Speaker 2: nice game against Oklahoma State through for a bajillion yards
Speaker 2: in a very Unkansas State way, and Alex Dalton was
Speaker 2: really good. And I think Skyler Thompson is the better passer.
Speaker 2: Alex Dalton's the better runner. No Byron Pringle this year,
Speaker 2: so that's a bummer. But they still have talent in
Speaker 2: the receiving corp and talent on offense. A lot of
Speaker 2: changes on defense, and you know it sort of is
Speaker 2: going to look more of the same because you're still
Speaker 2: talking about a Bill Snyder team, but it's more JC,
Speaker 2: it's more transfer stuff for Kansas State. But I'm intrigued
Speaker 2: with their evolution opening it up more last year, even
Speaker 2: with backup quarterbacks developing receivers as you know, even going
Speaker 2: back to Tyler Lockett recently, and if Kansas State is
Speaker 2: converting those third and twos where the quarterback sort of hesitates,
Speaker 2: everybody's calling Client, even if they're not calling Cline, they're
Speaker 2: basically unbeatable in the Big twelve. They really are. That.
Speaker 2: It's like that those fourteen and a half minute drives.
Speaker 2: Kansas State is perhaps at this point, and I want
Speaker 2: to be careful when I say this, but one of
Speaker 2: the best defined teams in college football. One of the
Speaker 2: most ironclad identities in college football, and they feel like
Speaker 2: they have that to definitive ceiling. But that ceiling includes, yeah,
Speaker 2: they'll beat anybody. They just will. They'll lose to somebody dumb,
Speaker 2: but they'll beat anybody, which is like, I respect that
Speaker 2: in a very real way. So Kansas State different but
Speaker 2: sort of the same. And schedule's pretty good this year,
Speaker 2: but we'll preview them later in the fall and stuff
Speaker 2: in late summer. But it's sort of nice to have
Speaker 2: Kansas State in your life, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: I liken the new version of Kansas State to like
Speaker 1: the new version of a golf club. All right, And
Speaker 1: I know you're not a huge golfer, but hear me out.
Speaker 2: Here, right.
Speaker 1: Every year the major golf club companies put out a
Speaker 1: new model, and they always champion some new bell or
Speaker 1: whistle that they put on it. It's ultimately the same
Speaker 1: club over the span of ten years. I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: a drastically different club, but from year to year it's
Speaker 1: basically the same thing with different packaging, different labeling. That's
Speaker 1: kind of how I feel about k State. Every year,
Speaker 1: it's sort of the same team. You have a few
Speaker 1: odds and ends here that might be a little bit
Speaker 1: different that we need to pay attention to as we
Speaker 1: try to dissect what this team's going to be twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, so on and so forth. By
Speaker 1: a large same team, same philosophy, same team, same coach,
Speaker 1: And that is part of the reason why I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I find them so damn admirable.
Speaker 2: I wish they would I know there's talent in the backfield.
Speaker 2: I wish they would do better at developing bigger time
Speaker 2: running backs because that feels like they'd be even way
Speaker 2: way better. Because defensively, I don't have a ton of
Speaker 2: questions even though there's new guys there, just because of
Speaker 2: year over year they seem to develop nicely. They need
Speaker 2: to rush the passer, they need to figure out some
Speaker 2: replacements upfront, But no, there is something very comforting about
Speaker 2: Kansas State, and I honestly it was so fun to
Speaker 2: watch them not just win games twenty to nineteen. Last
Speaker 2: year it was forty five forty over Oklahoma State. When
Speaker 2: I think it was Skyler Thompson through for it was
Speaker 2: like seventeen yards per It was ridiculous. It was so
Speaker 2: fun to watch. So I appreciate that evolution, even when
Speaker 2: philosophically things are pretty similar. I agree, budding potential, Daniel,
Speaker 2: butdding potential. Let's go to one of my picks here. Okay,
Speaker 2: I want to talk about North Carolina. Oh okay, No,
Speaker 2: Budding Potential is.
Speaker 1: Made fun of North Carolina at our last live show.
Speaker 1: You know, North Carolina had a three and nine year,
Speaker 1: and I think we sort of liken them to just
Speaker 1: the like the senior who gives up best case of
Speaker 1: senior ride. It's worst case of senioritis. You know, they
Speaker 1: get a couple of games in and it's like dog,
Speaker 1: it's over. We're moving on to college.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: It's things done. Three to nine, not.
Speaker 2: A good year, super beat up, super beat up. It
Speaker 2: was senioritis, it was tendon itis, it was larryn Je,
Speaker 2: it was everything. ITAs Carolina.
Speaker 1: Though, it's one of those teams where I looked into
Speaker 1: them a little bit more and I still don't feel
Speaker 1: like I really got anywhere. Okay, I think the outlook
Speaker 1: has to be better than it was a year ago,
Speaker 1: because you're right, the injury department was not kind to
Speaker 1: them at all. Warry Fedora as a coach, you might
Speaker 1: question what he can do defensively, but in terms of offense,
Speaker 1: he's generally got a pretty good track record. That was
Speaker 1: part of the reason why they hired him. Sure, he's
Speaker 1: a guy who knows how to develop offensive talent. I
Speaker 1: feel really good about Anthony Ratliff Williams. I think he's
Speaker 1: a stud in the makings. I really like Nathan Elliott
Speaker 1: throwing to Anthony Ratliff Williams towards the latter part of
Speaker 1: last season. What I didn't like is that it took
Speaker 1: him like seven games to get to Nathan Elliott correct
Speaker 1: something crazy like that. And from everything that I could
Speaker 1: see in the early part of the spring here, the
Speaker 1: book is not closed on Nathan Elliott being the starter.
Speaker 1: There's still a chance that they could go to Chaz Surat.
Speaker 2: I remember Chazz.
Speaker 1: For as much as I'd love to have a Chaz
Speaker 1: that we can talk about week in a week out,
Speaker 1: I think for the immediate future that Nathan Elliot is
Speaker 1: probably the guy they should go to.
Speaker 2: North Carolina very much felt last year like a team
Speaker 2: if you were looking at somebody else in the ACC
Speaker 2: their resume, and they beat North Carolina and You just
Speaker 2: hope that whoever was listening didn't fully listen or know
Speaker 2: the context of what beating North Carolina in twenty seventeen meant.
Speaker 2: It was like getting a ninety three on a test
Speaker 2: that was out of one hundred and fifty. That's what
Speaker 2: beating North Carolina was. That seems fair to me.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the injuries, and as our friend Bill Connolly
Speaker 1: has said time and time again, having injuries is bad. However,
Speaker 1: when you have the injuries, it gives you a chance
Speaker 1: to build some depth because you play a lot of
Speaker 1: the younger guys. This could be the year where North
Speaker 1: Carolina sees some fruit from that. A lot of their
Speaker 1: younger guys did get experienced because everyone was so banged up.
Speaker 1: So you know, along the lines at the skill positions,
Speaker 1: the offense has weapons. Larry Foedora knows how to use
Speaker 1: those weapons. We'll see if they're able to elevate that
Speaker 1: side of things in twenty eighteen. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: don't want to get too far out over my skis here,
Speaker 1: but a very workable schedule, sure, very workable schedule. Listen
Speaker 1: to this schedule. I'll read through it very quickly. At
Speaker 1: cal at ECU UCF could be a tough game, sure,
Speaker 1: definitely Pitt at home, Miami on the road, Virginia Tech
Speaker 1: at home Syracuse and Virginia on the road back to
Speaker 1: back weeks. Then you've got Georgia Tech at Duke Western
Speaker 1: Carolina n C State.
Speaker 2: Here's my final question about North Carolina. Do you think
Speaker 2: there's an element that North Carolina peaked a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago? Absolutely in the Larry Fedora So I guess
Speaker 2: what was it twenty fifteen in where they went to
Speaker 2: the ACC Championship game. There is there an element where
Speaker 2: obviously they had a ton of success with Seth Latrell
Speaker 2: as offensive coordinator and he's moved on quite successfully to
Speaker 2: North Texas. They had the gusmels On at defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: experiment that looked promising in year one and then sort
Speaker 2: of fell apart. That there is just an element of
Speaker 2: Larry Fedora looking elsewhere, perhaps a little bit too much
Speaker 2: to maintain that level that perhaps I wouldn't say he's
Speaker 2: checked out, that would be totally unfair, but it might
Speaker 2: seem that his heart isn't fully with North Carolina and
Speaker 2: that's reflective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thought crossed my mind in watching three and
Speaker 1: nine North Carolina last year that Larry Fedora missed his
Speaker 1: chance to truly cash out while his stock was high, Right,
Speaker 1: was he truly in on the rebuilding effort?
Speaker 2: They won what like ten straight in twenty fifteen before
Speaker 2: the AEC had a good year. Yeah, I remember talking
Speaker 2: like can Carolina beat Clemson? They were a wonky on
Speaker 2: side kick away. Yeah. I think to compare him to
Speaker 2: Sonny Dyke's and Kal isn't fully fair because he's had
Speaker 2: much more success. But Sunny Dikes was always that same
Speaker 2: guy who had eyes elsewhere, and ultimately things just went
Speaker 2: super downhill after that eight win year and they just
Speaker 2: had enough of each other. I hope that it doesn't
Speaker 2: come to that. I hope that North Carolina is on
Speaker 2: the bounce back because it's an attractive school that can
Speaker 2: attract high level talent that succeed in a big way
Speaker 2: in the ACC. So I'm hoping that's not the case
Speaker 2: that there was a window. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: They have talent coming back, They have some experience from
Speaker 1: a year ago because of the injuries coming back, if
Speaker 1: they can stay healthy, if they can build on some
Speaker 1: of that experience from a year ago, I think it
Speaker 1: puts them in a position where you know, maybe we're
Speaker 1: talking about them in a much, much different light. That's
Speaker 1: not to overlook that their offensive line isn't a bit
Speaker 1: of flux. And defensively, they too have been terrible thirty
Speaker 1: one points a game last year, awful against the run.
Speaker 1: They do have deficiency that they need to get resolved.
Speaker 1: But I think by and large I feel better than
Speaker 1: three and nine.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they should be a bowl team every year. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: Let's make a surprisingly easy transition to Cal Okay so
Speaker 2: Cal in their I guess last five years, that's four
Speaker 2: years of Sunny Dyke's and one year of Justin Wilcox
Speaker 2: one in eleven eight and five five seven five seven
Speaker 2: five seven, which is about right. I think we were
Speaker 2: pretty high on Cal early on beating North Carolina and
Speaker 2: Ole Miss early on in September, and then everything sort
Speaker 2: of came back down to earth pretty quickly. And then
Speaker 2: they slaughtered Wazoo. I think was that an Adam a
Speaker 2: mean game? I believe it was. They beat Adam, they
Speaker 2: beat at them. They beat Washington State, generating like seven turnovers.
Speaker 2: Ross Bauers starting quarterback flips into the goal line for
Speaker 2: a touchdown. Flips over the goal line, and cal is
Speaker 2: a team where they have recruiting advantages of being in
Speaker 2: California and northern California. There's a lot of talent that
Speaker 2: academically they can attract high achievers that are also football players.
Speaker 2: They have redone their facilities recently. I know the couple
Speaker 2: years ago they attracted the number one receiver in the
Speaker 2: country Demetrius Robertson, who's very good as a freshman, but
Speaker 2: got hurt early on last year. So that's a promising
Speaker 2: name coming back this year for his I think junior
Speaker 2: year unless he was given a medical redshirt last year.
Speaker 2: They have a potentially promising transfer in Brandon mckaway who
Speaker 2: comes over from South Carolina, former blue chip quarterback, duel
Speaker 2: threat guy who I think was also really good baseball player.
Speaker 2: So in terms of positive things, offense potential with Demetris
Speaker 2: Robertson and possible quarterback change who knows defense, a lot
Speaker 2: of work. They kept mostly for the most part, kept
Speaker 2: a really solid staff in place Bo Baldwin was flirting
Speaker 2: with the Oregon State job. He didn't get it, so
Speaker 2: he's back and he'll be calling plays, and I think
Speaker 2: that's a big positive that they're able to retain Baldwin.
Speaker 2: The Pac twelve North is tough. It's not a super
Speaker 2: easy conference to get better in. But with more quarterback experience,
Speaker 2: better offensive skill talent, I think they should be competing
Speaker 2: for a bowl year and a year out, if not.
Speaker 2: Beyond that, I like the defensive coaching staff. They are
Speaker 2: actually pretty strong in the back end on defense. They
Speaker 2: have a lot of work in terms of new guys upfront,
Speaker 2: but when they generated turnovers, which is like every team
Speaker 2: in the country, they succeeded. They showed their potential against
Speaker 2: Wazoo last year and Ole Miss North Carolina whatever. I
Speaker 2: am hopeful that KL is able to take advantage of
Speaker 2: things that they have that other Pack twelve teams don't
Speaker 2: necessarily have. Have you been to Berkeley, tie.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I've never been to Berkeley.
Speaker 2: I love Berkeley, but I could understand why a seventeen
Speaker 2: year old wouldn't. I could definitely understand it. So I
Speaker 2: am I am buying on cal as A because I
Speaker 2: really do like Justin Wilcox. I'm buying cal as A
Speaker 2: starting this year and beyond making bowl games.
Speaker 1: I you know what, I like cal last year? Why
Speaker 1: for all their deficiencies, and of course they weren't all
Speaker 1: that consistent, but they were damn plucky, weren't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they finished the season what they almost beat Stanford
Speaker 2: and UCLA, And I like seeing that a team that
Speaker 2: is down and beat up and losing key players and
Speaker 2: you know, getting blown out by a couple teams. I
Speaker 2: like that they showed fight deep into November. I think
Speaker 2: that's a good sign for the Bears moving forward. Oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you can say that about Cal. I should have
Speaker 1: said that about UNC. They were in the same time.
Speaker 1: They only won three games, but you could tell that
Speaker 1: they were in every game. They were trying and they
Speaker 1: were playing pretty damn hard, despite the fact that maybe
Speaker 1: the record didn't reflect it.
Speaker 2: To go back to my comparison, I think Cal is
Speaker 2: a really good looking exchange students, okay, who doesn't fully
Speaker 2: understand the concept of American dances and doesn't really speak
Speaker 2: the language. But the potential tensions there, Okay, it's a
Speaker 2: very weird, uh competiveon with you, I tye, I know
Speaker 2: it's weird, and I'm just sometimes you just have to
Speaker 2: to double.
Speaker 1: Down, tie all right, double down, Dan, I like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me stay in the pac twelve stay best. Utah
Speaker 1: went seven and six a year ago.
Speaker 2: The Pac twelve's Kansas State.
Speaker 1: That's right, seven and six a year ago. They won
Speaker 1: the Heart of Dallas Bowl, I believe over West Virginia.
Speaker 2: If memory serves, I think they were the only Pack
Speaker 2: twelve team to win a bowl game. So I let's
Speaker 2: celebrate that wind.
Speaker 1: We have this difficulty every year with teams like Utah,
Speaker 1: with teams like k State, you want to throw them
Speaker 1: in the mix as well, teams that maybe lack the
Speaker 1: sex appeal but don't ever seem to lack the consis
Speaker 1: And see every year they find a way to achieve
Speaker 1: the fundamentals and when they're out there playing the games,
Speaker 1: that goes an awful long way, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: And so what I like about this team first and
Speaker 1: foremost is the coach Kyle Whittingham. Kyle Whittingham knows how
Speaker 1: to coach those fundamentals. He knows how to get a
Speaker 1: team ready, and he knows how to be consistent, particularly
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2: With Utah over the.
Speaker 1: Years, it's really been upfront along that defensive line. This year,
Speaker 1: I think it could be a little bit different for
Speaker 1: him because he's only got one guy back along the
Speaker 1: defensive line, and much of his experience will be in
Speaker 1: the defensive backfield and as you look at like the backgate. Now,
Speaker 1: with that being said, does anyone doubt that by the
Speaker 1: end of the year, Kyle Whittingham will find a way
Speaker 1: to put together a top twenty five defensive line in
Speaker 1: college football? I don't know. Which is what he does, right,
Speaker 1: that's his thing, it's his mm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So defensively, Utah is gonna be fine, and that goes
Speaker 1: a long way in a conference that by and large
Speaker 1: is still dictated by offense. Sure, you pair some of
Speaker 1: those pyrotechnical offenses up against a quality, fundamentally sound defense,
Speaker 1: and that has That's where Kyle Whittingham's made us say, so,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be just fine on the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. What I like about them in addition to
Speaker 1: that is the fact that Tyler Huntley, their quarterback, who
Speaker 1: had a breakout year last year, he comes back. I
Speaker 1: like that they seem to have enough talent around him.
Speaker 1: Not guys that maybe have the sex appeal they might
Speaker 1: find elsewhere, but certainly plenty of depth on offense that
Speaker 1: can work around Tyler Huntley and outside of really just
Speaker 1: losing their top two weapons out wide, which is no
Speaker 1: laughing matter you lose a guy like Darren Carington who
Speaker 1: had a great year. I think Utah can be a
Speaker 1: team that is more than just consistent on defense and
Speaker 1: fledgling on offense. I feel good about their prospects that
Speaker 1: take a leap forward on offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Other than Darren Carrington, Utah offensively has been a
Speaker 2: who's who of huge depth of guys who can't get
Speaker 2: open downfield that's right, like real solid at like six
Speaker 2: yards and turn around and boom the balls right there.
Speaker 2: But as soon as you actually need to stretch the field,
Speaker 2: Utah has struggled finding those guys recently. But I have
Speaker 2: developed running backs nicely. You mentioned the lines all true.
Speaker 2: We've been able to count on a Utah November swoon
Speaker 2: pretty consistently. Like they really start impressing us September into October,
Speaker 2: maybe knock off USC or something like that, and then
Speaker 2: just get murdered by Arizona, right or just get beat
Speaker 2: up by Oregon State and you're like, where what happened
Speaker 2: to the other Utah? What we were? So you know
Speaker 2: who Utah is at the dance tie double down. Dan
Speaker 2: Utah's let's say a little larger. I think that's fair
Speaker 2: to say, charmingly large, possibly Australian, very charming, affable, big personality,
Speaker 2: convinces a crush to dance. You get close to them, ooh,
Speaker 2: should have put onto Okay, who should have checked the breath?
Speaker 2: Just those those little final touches just aren't there for Utah.
Speaker 2: And it seems to be the case year in and year out.
Speaker 2: But again, they were the only team to win a
Speaker 2: Bowl game.
Speaker 1: So so, good bones is what you're saying. Good bones,
Speaker 1: but a little rough around the edges, yes, absolutely, Maybe
Speaker 1: no defining feature, Yeah, everybody knows and loves the what
Speaker 1: of soft features? The affable big guy? Yeah, great to
Speaker 1: have around. All right, all right, so Utah, All right.
Speaker 2: That's Utah. We'll go to another team with an affable
Speaker 2: big guy. Affable big guy, appable big guy. Let's go
Speaker 2: to South Carolina. Ooh and I I'm going to take
Speaker 2: back the word affable and I'm gonna I'm going to
Speaker 2: fill it in with needlessly aggressive.
Speaker 1: Right, that would be Will musch champ Nce. Needlessly aggressive
Speaker 1: feels accurate to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just shout out to the whiteboards out there
Speaker 2: for their sacrifice. Six and six, eight and four in
Speaker 2: his two seasons in Colombia, And I guess it's relevant
Speaker 2: that Steve Spurrier in three of his four final full seasons,
Speaker 2: so not the season that he left early where I
Speaker 2: think his son took over. He won ten games. So
Speaker 2: it's a very different sec East than the end dish
Speaker 2: of the Steve Spurrier era. But winning at South Carolina
Speaker 2: is doable, is one hundred percent doable, even with a
Speaker 2: national championship contender in state as a rival. Now South
Speaker 2: Carolina and the story of their spring has sort of
Speaker 2: been the tanner leization of the offensive tempo that they're
Speaker 2: running with Brian McClendon, which is listen, we hope it
Speaker 2: works out, tigeh. I see story after story after story.
Speaker 2: They're playing with tempo, this new look offense. You know,
Speaker 2: they get rid of Kurt Roper at the end of
Speaker 2: the season last year. You know, George's Brian McClendon comes in.
Speaker 2: He's a I think receivers coach has been promoted to
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, Jake Bentley coming into his own. They get
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel back. It's all happening in Columbia.
Speaker 1: Yes, so you'll remember that Steve Spurrier in South Carolina
Speaker 1: parted ways Very early on in the cycle, we talked
Speaker 1: about the coaching carousel. South Carolina seemed like they were
Speaker 1: the first one to be out there advertising the fact
Speaker 1: that they were going to have an opening, and for
Speaker 1: a while it seemed as if they might get Tom Herman.
Speaker 1: That was the rumor initially, Tom Herman. Wow, what a
Speaker 1: get for the SEC East. That did not materialize, and actually,
Speaker 1: as this thing played out, they were one of the
Speaker 1: last teams to get a football coach. It almost felt
Speaker 1: like a bit of a letdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were rich Rod rumors I believe in there
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Sure, and so eventually when they brought in Will Muschamp,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh God, a retread. A retread does
Speaker 1: not seem like what South Carolina wanted when they announced
Speaker 1: this move very early. But I'm pretty optimistic it was
Speaker 1: not pyrotechnic. But there are the bones there again, affable,
Speaker 1: big guy, overly aggressive, big guy. What have you that
Speaker 1: I think with the SEC East, you know, getting better
Speaker 1: as a whole and more mysterious and new. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: more mysterious. Sure, there are plenty of reasons to feel
Speaker 1: like South Carolina's headed in a good direction to keep
Speaker 1: up with the Jones.
Speaker 2: South Carolina felt like a very dependable neighborhood restaurant last
Speaker 2: year where they knew that the limitations were clear. And
Speaker 2: you don't watch a South Carolina game thinking that they're
Speaker 2: going to beat up on Georgia or they're going to
Speaker 2: beat up on somebody. Great, but Chick Bentley was solid,
Speaker 2: maybe through little too many picks. Defense was nice. They
Speaker 2: lose a few key pieces, but we turned a couple
Speaker 2: of big ones up front and when they lost, they
Speaker 2: definitely should have lost, and when they won, they should
Speaker 2: have won. And we knew we were getting.
Speaker 1: So what we're describing here is the old Applebe's commercial coach.
Speaker 1: Can you can you follow me over here for a second.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't wish that on South.
Speaker 1: Can Will mush Champ? Will mush Champ hangs up the picture?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I want to say, an actual,
Speaker 2: dependably good and consistent neighborhood restaurant money and good in
Speaker 2: the neighborhood dan that has specific limitations and maybe listen,
Speaker 2: maybe this new offense is like a dope happy hour
Speaker 2: that they're starting. I don't know, but I just wing.
Speaker 2: I am hoping for good things for with the returning
Speaker 2: quarterback in the SEC because and listen, Will Musshamp. Let's
Speaker 2: if we zoom out a little bit, Florida fans are
Speaker 2: generally going to be, you know, upset about everything. They
Speaker 2: went to national championships ten twelve years ago, and that
Speaker 2: the expectations are through the roof, and to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: rightfully so, Will mus Champ was in demand. Will must
Speaker 2: Champ has succeeded with defense and recruiting everywhere he's been
Speaker 2: for the most part, or I think everywhere he's recruited
Speaker 2: super well. South Carolina signed a top twenty class, I
Speaker 2: believe this past cycle. So there are multiple reasons to
Speaker 2: believe in South Carolina as a team whose trajectory is encouraging,
Speaker 2: with a returning quarterback with a new system on offense,
Speaker 2: with which, by the way, the faster you play, the
Speaker 2: more depth you need to have on defense for when
Speaker 2: things go wrong. So I don't have their depth chart
Speaker 2: in front of me, but that's something to consider. But
Speaker 2: all things, you know, being equal, I am hopeful and
Speaker 2: encouraged by South Carolina and Debo's back. Debo's so good.
Speaker 2: Devo's back.
Speaker 1: The final point I'll bring up about Will mush Champ,
Speaker 1: and then we're going to move on to Northwestern. It
Speaker 1: does seem like, well Muschamp learned from his previous stop.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Ty, if I can draft that right now,
Speaker 2: Will mush Champ has learned from his past mistakes, I
Speaker 2: would just throwing it out. Oh my god, Ty, put
Speaker 2: me down. I'm on the clock. That's what I'm taking,
Speaker 2: all right, Sorry about Northwestern? Okay, I was just there.
Speaker 1: Northwestern was ten and three last year they won the
Speaker 1: Music City Bowl over Kentucky. I have no idea how
Speaker 1: they went ten and three. I never have any idea
Speaker 1: how they go ten and three or nine and three
Speaker 1: or eight and five. Northwestern to me is and forever
Speaker 1: will be a blind spot. Maybe when we get out
Speaker 1: to Chicago and do the live show, we can talk
Speaker 1: about this in a little bit more detail.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable new practice facility right on the lake.
Speaker 1: This is a team to me that I never get.
Speaker 1: If I'm always in on Texas, I always feel like
Speaker 1: I'm out on Northwestern.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: And as I go through and look at what the
Speaker 1: future holds for this team. I gotta be honest, I
Speaker 1: feel the same. Clayton Thorson blew out his ACL at
Speaker 1: the end of last year. He's still rehabing it. Not
Speaker 1: going to see much of him this spring.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Jackson's gone, Nate Hall also hurt and recuperating the spring.
Speaker 1: The schedule looks impossibly difficult to me. It looks seven
Speaker 1: and five at best. So I'm not sure why I
Speaker 1: feel optimistic at all about Northwestern, other than to say
Speaker 1: that I'm usually wrong about them. They weren't ten and
Speaker 1: three a year ago, and I didn't think it was possible.
Speaker 1: I look at the schedule now, I look at some
Speaker 1: of the uncertainty. I say, seven and five, Dan, they
Speaker 1: will do better than seven and five. Agree, Yes, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I'm a big believer in Dan Persa tie.
Speaker 2: Isn't he from where you are? Fromthlehem? Catholic? Yeah? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So if you if Dan Persa showed up this year
Speaker 2: and just played quarterback for Northwestern, yeah, and we tuned in,
Speaker 2: would you have any sort of inkling like is that
Speaker 2: that can't be right? Would no idea? You would have
Speaker 2: no clue. Northwestern does things and succeeds because they they're
Speaker 2: not conservative. Even though their offense has been sort of
Speaker 2: disappointing recently, it's been defense for Northwestern recently, and it
Speaker 2: feels very much like Northwestern is in a sea of
Speaker 2: volatility in the Big Ten West. I mean, with Nebraska struggling,
Speaker 2: with Iowa up and down, Wisconsin obviously has been super consistent,
Speaker 2: and Illinois has been down for a while. That Northwestern
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily succeeding because they are a very very good
Speaker 2: team just bludgeoning lesser teams. They're just a consistent team.
Speaker 2: They're like there's somebody that is existing during a depression
Speaker 2: that decided, you know what, I don't trust the banks.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to keep all my money myself and
Speaker 2: I'll see what happens. They're not making any money, but
Speaker 2: they're just getting by. They're just living their best life.
Speaker 2: And that's what I feel like Northwest. They're developing, especially
Speaker 2: upfront on defense and the developing NFL level talent. They're
Speaker 2: keeping themselves in games. They don't make a ton of mistakes.
Speaker 2: And in the Big Ten West in twenty fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,
Speaker 2: goes a long way, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big time, pretty good.
Speaker 2: Defense, not a ton of mistakes on offense year over year.
Speaker 2: The quarterbacks are always like a B plus that's great
Speaker 2: Northwestern home run hitter. And Justin Jackson he's gone this
Speaker 2: year though I know he's gone, but like it. It
Speaker 2: feels like they don't have to count on any one
Speaker 2: thing in the way that schools that have high ceilings
Speaker 2: sometimes do. The one thing is that they have the
Speaker 2: consistency of a coach, and they have the consistency of
Speaker 2: playing in a division that they can come in second
Speaker 2: in every year.
Speaker 1: The ultimate in team football.
Speaker 2: By the way, I really like Evanston. I was just
Speaker 2: there because I was in Chicago and we were kicked
Speaker 2: out of my in law's house because they were preparing
Speaker 2: for a big dinner. And it was nice. Evans is
Speaker 2: a nice college town right there on the lake. I'm
Speaker 2: sure it's just balls awful during the winter, but it
Speaker 2: was super nice in spring. I liked it all right.
Speaker 1: Stay in the Big ten West, talk to me about Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Let's set called HEJ fleck Row the boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah I am. I'm feeling pretty good. After seeing his
Speaker 2: first full recruiting class, and knowing what they might be
Speaker 2: able to do on offense, which is something they haven't
Speaker 2: been able to do in a long time. Do you
Speaker 2: know the last time Minnesota finished the season in the
Speaker 2: top twenty?
Speaker 1: Probably gotta go back seven eight years, two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: whoa Lawrence morony?
Speaker 2: Minnesota is the last time they finished in the top twenty.
Speaker 2: And you know, the Jerry Kill era had certain ups
Speaker 2: and certain downs, certainly Minnesota six and six, eight and four,
Speaker 2: eight and four, five and seven, eight and four, five
Speaker 2: and seven, and that all feels like I could have
Speaker 2: made that up up right there? Would you have known? Nope?
Speaker 2: No known? So no and apologies Nebraska fans. No decent
Speaker 2: wins in twenty seventeen, first year of the PJ. Fleck era.
Speaker 2: But obviously that transition happened was in March February, March.
Speaker 2: It was not a natural transition from Minnesota. I guess
Speaker 2: he finished out the class, so I guess it was
Speaker 2: maybe January. I don't know, but Minnesota had a expectedly
Speaker 2: disappointing first year of the PJ. Fleck era. But here's
Speaker 2: the good news. Demory Croft gone transferred to I think
Speaker 2: Tennessee State. The starting quarterback. They have a promising juco
Speaker 2: Maybe he's there, girod Evans. Maybe it's the Newish coach
Speaker 2: bringing a JC quarterback to run a certain style better
Speaker 2: than the incumbent guy. His name is vic vi Via Montes.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a phenomenal name, so I'm already rooting
Speaker 2: for him. Good size, dual threat makes sense. The big
Speaker 2: thing is PJ. Fleck recruited super well offensively, They have weapons.
Speaker 2: There's an incoming freshm and we talked to Bud Elliott
Speaker 2: about Minnesota's incoming class. I believe it's was Rashad Bateman,
Speaker 2: four star receiver from Georgia who and I know there's
Speaker 2: returning talent offensively, skill position wise, but he could come
Speaker 2: in and offer something that they haven't necessarily had in
Speaker 2: a little bit, and that's high level offensive skill talent
Speaker 2: that could be consistent over the next three or four years. So, yes,
Speaker 2: Minnesota had a struggle is year. Last year the offensive
Speaker 2: line was just totally decimated by injuries. I am I
Speaker 2: feel good about PJ. Fleck as he gets more and
Speaker 2: more of his own recruits to Minneapolis because he is
Speaker 2: somebody who is going to succeed. And they kept all
Speaker 2: their coaches from last year. He is somebody who will
Speaker 2: succeed because he gets this team ready, both physically and emotionally.
Speaker 2: If Minnesota is to win eight or nine games every
Speaker 2: so often or more often than not, it will be
Speaker 2: because this is a team that plays hard and forces
Speaker 2: turnovers and does things, and they do things that inspired
Speaker 2: teams do really well. So I feel good about Minnesota
Speaker 2: improving as it becomes more and more flecky flecky, as
Speaker 2: it becomes as that roster becomes more and more flecky,
Speaker 2: because I think he's going to be able to recruit
Speaker 2: on a top forty level. Flecky flecky baby wow. So
Speaker 2: I you know, the Big ten West not too bad.
Speaker 2: It's improving, it's improving. Wisconsin obviously the titan of the
Speaker 2: West for right now. Nebraska brings in Scott Frost. With
Speaker 2: Scott Frost comes a ton of talent on the coaching
Speaker 2: side of things, for sure, and a ton of promise
Speaker 2: being so he's an alum of Nebraska. You've obviously got
Speaker 2: Purdue in that situation, which has improved very quickly. Yep.
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about Minnesota. We talked about old Trusty Northwestern.
Speaker 2: And Minnesota can help to provide that depth, provided they've
Speaker 2: got to recruit better up front. On defense, they were
Speaker 2: so good for so long when Jerry Kill was the
Speaker 2: head coach. I think their defensive coordinators now at Washington State.
Speaker 2: He replaced Alex Grinch who goes to Ohio State. But
Speaker 2: they were so good at developing large, three star defensive
Speaker 2: men and that sort of fell off these past couple
Speaker 2: of years. So if they're able to get back to
Speaker 2: that point, I feel good about Minnesota as a once
Speaker 2: again perennial Bowl team. That is good enough. God, I
Speaker 2: just remember Mitch Leidner's existence. That is good enough to
Speaker 2: get to and win bowl games and make this And
Speaker 2: you're right, I think the Big Ten West, for as
Speaker 2: much as we've made fun of it recently, with a
Speaker 2: just the most consistent team outside of I guess like
Speaker 2: Alabama and Clemson at this point in Wisconsin, not the best,
Speaker 2: but the most consistent Ohio State. But the consistency of Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: the upside of Nebraska, the intrigue of Purdue, and I
Speaker 2: think there can be energy with Minnesota. And I say
Speaker 2: this sincerely, Tie, I want to get to Minneapolis. Everybody
Speaker 2: that I mentioned the word Minneapolis too, says, you know what,
Speaker 2: Minneapolis pretty fun? I need. I've been to a lot
Speaker 2: of places around this country. Tie, have you been to Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: No, I've heard great things.
Speaker 2: I got to get there sometime between. Yeah, exactly. So
Speaker 2: I don't know about twenty eighteen, but I can see,
Speaker 2: like through the haze, I can see a fun Minnesota.
Speaker 2: And they also got that Remember the giant. I think
Speaker 2: he's Australian, but he went to the IMG Academy in
Speaker 2: Florida and Andy Stables or a feature about him, Daniel Folele.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so he's at Minnesota. He's a project.
Speaker 2: He's only been playing football for like three and a
Speaker 2: half weeks. But if he is anything, he's like six
Speaker 2: or eight four hundred pounds. If he can get his
Speaker 2: weight down a little bit, I don't know. That could
Speaker 2: be they could have a ridiculous freak on their hands.
Speaker 2: Who knows. So all right, I'm exa stay.
Speaker 1: Let me stay in the Midwest here and talk about
Speaker 1: my final team. This was a crowd favorite last year.
Speaker 1: It's not so much a team that we didn't talk
Speaker 1: a lot about. It's a team that we haven't talked
Speaker 1: much about in the long story ten year history of
Speaker 1: the Saliver Ball. Last year was really one of the
Speaker 1: only years that we talked about Iowa State, maybe the
Speaker 1: only notable exception being when we had Paul Rhodes when
Speaker 1: he was coach on the program interviewed him one of
Speaker 1: her favorite interviews that we've done with the coach. Iowa
Speaker 1: State won eight and five last year. They won the
Speaker 1: Liberty Bawl over Memphis in a good game twenty one
Speaker 1: twenty I want to say, more of a defensive game
Speaker 1: than perhaps we expected. They were the surprise sort of
Speaker 1: breakout team of all last year. Matt Campbell, there head
Speaker 1: football coach, was in his second year, obviously paying very
Speaker 1: quick short term dividends for the Cyclones since they brought
Speaker 1: him over. What I like about Iowa State moving forward
Speaker 1: is that Kyle Kemp got an extra year of eligibility. Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't know how old Kyle kempt is, but anytime
Speaker 1: you win an extra year of eligibility, that usually means
Speaker 1: you're older than your peers. Kyle Kemp had a good
Speaker 1: season last year, took over at quarterback for Jacob Park
Speaker 1: and was it was just someone who came in and
Speaker 1: was consistent didn't shoot himself in the foot, was able
Speaker 1: to get the ball to our boy, Duke of his
Speaker 1: Ard Alanlizard. They lose him though, right, they lose the
Speaker 1: Duke Alan Bizard. They still have David Montgomery though year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: David Montgomery was pretty good. We're down a little bit
Speaker 1: down the stretch, but still pretty good. They have some
Speaker 1: returning players along the offensive line, which I think is
Speaker 1: going to give them some stability. And I think the
Speaker 1: second half of their schedule is very gettable. Gettable for
Speaker 1: Iowa State.
Speaker 2: Hit me with the second half of their schedule, Texas.
Speaker 1: Tech at home, on the road at Kansas, Baylor at
Speaker 1: home at Texas, which is a tough game, sure, but
Speaker 1: who knows what you're gonna get out of Texas anymore?
Speaker 1: And then back home against k State getible gettable.
Speaker 2: That's fine. I mean, we're talking about a team that
Speaker 2: beat Oklahoma and Baker Mayfield last year.
Speaker 1: That's right. The first half of the schedule scares me
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I think maybe there's a feeling
Speaker 1: out process till this team tries to adapt to losing
Speaker 1: guys like Duke of Fizzard, Alam Wizart. You go on
Speaker 1: the road at Iowa, I always got a pretty good
Speaker 1: quarterback in Nate Stanley. Early season. Who knows what you're
Speaker 1: going to get there early September, even though you're home
Speaker 1: against Oklahoma the following week, you're still playing Oklahoma. It's
Speaker 1: a tough game. Sure, you also got to go on
Speaker 1: the road to TCU on the road to Oklahoma. State
Speaker 1: also got a game against West Virginia with Will Greer
Speaker 1: coming back. So I think that's demonstrably tougher than the
Speaker 1: back part of that schedule. But it's getable. Yeah, it's gettable.
Speaker 1: Second half of that schedule is gettable. I'm concerned that
Speaker 1: they lose Alan Wizard. It feels like the meat of
Speaker 1: that wide receiving corps is gone. New guys are gonna
Speaker 1: have to step up. They probably will, just don't know
Speaker 1: who yet. And they need to get some sort of
Speaker 1: answer at linebacker because the Big Twelve is by and
Speaker 1: large and offensive conference, and they're gonna lose Joel Lanning.
Speaker 1: They're gonna lose other pieces around Joel Lanning. I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see how that position group shakes out. And even
Speaker 1: though I mentioned earlier that they've got some guys coming
Speaker 1: back along the offensive line, they lose their two best
Speaker 1: guys in Jake Campos and Robbie Garcia, So it's just
Speaker 1: a lot of unknowns for me to start the season.
Speaker 1: For Iowa State. I feel much better about the second
Speaker 1: half of that schedule. They'll probably be fine the full
Speaker 1: year through because they've got Kyle camp running the offense
Speaker 1: and that's gonna go a long way. But still feeling
Speaker 1: out to mystic about Iowa State. Maybe not as optimistic
Speaker 1: as I was towards the latter half of the year
Speaker 1: last year when we're talking about realistically a team that
Speaker 1: could somehow win the Big Twelve, which is weird for
Speaker 1: all of us, but Iowa State definitely played the part.
Speaker 1: If you told me that I was State went eight
Speaker 1: and four again, I would say that's a rating success
Speaker 1: and still a big step forward for Matt Campbell.
Speaker 2: I think Iowa State finished. I don't have I actually
Speaker 2: don't even know if I have access to the d
Speaker 2: analytics that may be associated with my own old work
Speaker 2: account that golduck. But I remember deep into the season
Speaker 2: Iowa State was leading the Big Twelve in points allowed
Speaker 2: or like points per drive.
Speaker 1: It was a defensive showing. Yeah, very much led by
Speaker 1: their defense last year.
Speaker 2: And one of my favorite things as somebody who watched
Speaker 2: a lot of Iowa State last year, but not closely
Speaker 2: because other games were happening at the same time. But
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things, and people have written about
Speaker 2: it these past couple weeks is Iowa State basically at
Speaker 2: some point early on in this season, against obviously Big
Speaker 2: two twelve competition, they just said screw it, running like
Speaker 2: a base dime, but not just a base dime, like
Speaker 2: a three two six, and they played I want to say,
Speaker 2: because what's his name, Jacob Park was suspended for the
Speaker 2: Texas game or no, he wasn't suspended. He played in
Speaker 2: that game, but he wasn't particularly good. It was after
Speaker 2: that game I think he got suspended and they completely
Speaker 2: shut down what turned out to be an only okay
Speaker 2: or pretty good Texas offense, but they did it running
Speaker 2: this crazy dime package where they were just sending six
Speaker 2: DB's everywhere. And apparently after that happened, Todd Orlando, defense
Speaker 2: coordinator of Texas, like went back and watched the tape
Speaker 2: and was like, what the hell was that? And then
Speaker 2: Texas and like other Big twelve teams started running this
Speaker 2: crazy three to two six that got more speed on
Speaker 2: the field. And if you had defensive tackles like Texas did,
Speaker 2: like Puna Ford, who could hold up and hold the
Speaker 2: line a little bit. You have all this speed running around,
Speaker 2: you have to have specific talent to it. But that
Speaker 2: was Iowa State. That was Iowa State's defense. I think
Speaker 2: the defensive cour is Joe Haycock whatever however you pronounced
Speaker 2: that last name. Iowa State was super fun and creative
Speaker 2: and that's why they turned so many teams over so
Speaker 2: many times. And to you what you just finished your
Speaker 2: analysis with, if they even make a bowl game this year, yeah,
Speaker 2: for the second consecutive year. If they make a bowl game.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite restaurant in the greater Allentown, Bethlehem whatever area?
Speaker 1: Probably either White Orchids, a Thai restaurant, or.
Speaker 2: You get some of that tom Kas soup.
Speaker 1: Mexican place called Cactus Blue.
Speaker 2: That's your number one. I've been there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to wager a you know, a
Speaker 2: full meal, not just an entree but appetizer, entrede is
Speaker 2: or whatever, a side dish for the table? Would you
Speaker 2: wager that on Matt Campbell returning to Ames if they
Speaker 2: go to another bowl game this year?
Speaker 1: No? God, Yeah, what sucks.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet anything on that. Yeah. I don't know
Speaker 2: where he's he'd end up obviously, you know he is
Speaker 2: in the Midwest and there are a number of huge
Speaker 2: programs there. But man, what a story. Matt Campbell is
Speaker 2: a he's a processed guy too. He must love the Sixers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he just loves the process and he has done a
Speaker 2: remarkable job.
Speaker 1: I would not bet anything on that, Dan, Okay, just
Speaker 1: making sure I would not bet anything on that.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's finish up with I mean, you mentioned a
Speaker 2: lot of Kyle Kempton his breakthrough year. I'm gonna mention
Speaker 2: the Wolford Wagon, who is not back unfortunately by Wake Forest.
Speaker 2: Wake Forest in the ACC in twenty seventeen. This is
Speaker 2: what they did. They go what seven and five and
Speaker 2: then they win the Bowl game over text A and
Speaker 2: M and the crazy shootout. So Dave Clawson's four years
Speaker 2: in Wake three and nine, three and nine, six and six,
Speaker 2: seven and five. So the line on the graph, the
Speaker 2: line of best fit, whatever the line graph we're looking at,
Speaker 2: going the preferred direction. Last year, they beat Louisville, they
Speaker 2: beat NC State, they beat A and M. They're passed
Speaker 2: away from beating Florida State, they mount a somewhat impressive
Speaker 2: comeback against Notre Dame. I know that game was sort
Speaker 2: of over, but they still scored points against a good
Speaker 2: Notre Dame defense couldn't really run, but the Wolford wagon
Speaker 2: was to this day, I feel like we do not
Speaker 2: talk about the Wolford wagon enough John Wolford and his
Speaker 2: evolution for Wake last year, and I don't know how
Speaker 2: good Kendall Hinton is going to be. I think his
Speaker 2: spring game was a little disappointing, but they have the receivers.
Speaker 2: The defense was okay to sub okay, but the ACC
Speaker 2: is in an interesting place right now that I am
Speaker 2: confident that Wake, if nothing else, can be a little
Speaker 2: bit northwestern e or they don't screw up too much.
Speaker 2: They have an efficient quarterback of Kendall Hinton works out
Speaker 2: that they can just survive games and weather A's schedule
Speaker 2: to the point. And I don't have their schedule in
Speaker 2: front of me this year, but I am confident that
Speaker 2: Wake is a perennial Bowl team under Dave Clawson for
Speaker 2: as long as he's there. Interesting because I think they're
Speaker 2: well coached. I think he's going to keep people in
Speaker 2: Winston Salem. The quarterback development has been there, and you
Speaker 2: should be able to recruit to Wake. Not on a
Speaker 2: high level, but you should be able to give in
Speaker 2: the location. This is not a desert of talent in
Speaker 2: North just both of the Carolinas. There should be enough
Speaker 2: at WAKE. And I know Florida State's obviously going to
Speaker 2: improve from where they were last year, but there are
Speaker 2: enough teams with sizeable enough questions that if Dave Clawson
Speaker 2: is able to get even above average quarterback play from
Speaker 2: whoever's under center, that they should be pretty good.
Speaker 1: The Wolford Wagon was a site to behold a year ago,
Speaker 1: and it's exciting to see a program like WAKE that
Speaker 1: has had trouble.
Speaker 2: Punching bag total punching bag.
Speaker 1: Over the last decade. It's exciting to see them go
Speaker 1: out there and can pete. And when I say compete,
Speaker 1: I mean it truly go out there and compete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, the Notre Dame game wasn't great, but they
Speaker 2: even they still acquitted themselves nicely.
Speaker 1: They quitted themselves nicely. So there you go. Are ten
Speaker 1: teams here that we discussed today.
Speaker 2: And nobody leaked their plays tie and nobody leaked their
Speaker 2: plays as far as we know. Amazing How that helps.
Speaker 1: Arkansas, North Carolina, Utah, Northwestern and Iowa State for me,
Speaker 1: and k State, cal Minnesota, South Carolina and Wake Forest
Speaker 1: for you. Yes, ten teams budding potential.
Speaker 2: I am a big believer. Tie to bring this bow
Speaker 2: back around. That's little little grease in their hair. Button
Speaker 2: up the shirts, put on some new shoes and just
Speaker 2: say screw it. I'm gonna talk to my crush across
Speaker 2: the dance floor. Good things will.
Speaker 1: Happen, good things, good Juju right here? Oh?
Speaker 2: Can I ask you one final question? And I promise
Speaker 2: we won't spend a lot of time on this.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 2: It's the off season. We can do whatever we want.
Speaker 1: Got What do you got for me?
Speaker 2: Do you have Amazon Prime Video? Yes? Have you watched
Speaker 2: any of Michigan?
Speaker 1: No? Yet?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm talking about? I do? Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: so Michigan If you don't know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: Michigan is the subject of all or Nothing, which is
Speaker 2: I think the Hard Knocks crew. If you watch Hard
Speaker 2: Knocks and HBO with an NFL team, Last year it
Speaker 2: was with the Rams. They follow them the entire season.
Speaker 2: This year it's Michigan football. When I say this year,
Speaker 2: I mean the twenty seventeen season is airing now. It's
Speaker 2: on Amazon Prime Video. It's like a behind the scenes
Speaker 2: is any good? It's really good Jody with and I
Speaker 2: doesn't love reliving some of the moments from last year.
Speaker 2: There is so I'm We're three episodes in. It's a
Speaker 2: lot of harbor understandably, right, there is something super illuminating
Speaker 2: that I just don't think I considered. Jim Harbaugh is
Speaker 2: definitely more human than he portrays himself, but there is
Speaker 2: something that is very awkward. And it's not his faults
Speaker 2: about him trying to get to know and be a
Speaker 2: human around his players, okay, because he has eighty five
Speaker 2: players plus however many walk ons, and he goes to
Speaker 2: the when Tarik Black hurts his foot, he goes to
Speaker 2: the hospital and he's just he's an awkward because you
Speaker 2: just can't know everybody, right, but you have this responsibility.
Speaker 2: So he's just like this very awkward dad around. Like
Speaker 2: he goes into like a walk On's dorm and like
Speaker 2: the walk On's like, yeah, I'm Keith, Like it's just
Speaker 2: like he's never met the coach obviously, but it's it's
Speaker 2: a really good look. And Rashaan Gary is great and
Speaker 2: his mom might be the MVP of the early episodes.
Speaker 2: Rashan Gary's mom is great. She at one point, like
Speaker 2: before maybe the Cincinnati game, Cincinnati, the air Force game,
Speaker 2: she tells Rashaan Gary, star defensive lineman for the Wolverines,
Speaker 2: bring me that quarterback ass it was. She's wonderful and
Speaker 2: like Rashon Gary's awesome. He's like a four to zero student.
Speaker 2: Like it's I'm not a Michigan fan, but I love
Speaker 2: these behind the scenes shows and I think it's worth
Speaker 2: checking out.
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll good to know. Personal recommendation.
Speaker 2: Yes, I like it. So far, so good, and you
Speaker 2: get to if you don't like Michigan, you get to
Speaker 2: watch Michigan lose a bunch, so get.
Speaker 1: To watch them lose. Yeah, all right, well, fun show,
Speaker 1: got to talk about some teams we don't always talk about.
Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone stopping by. As we said at the top
Speaker 1: of the show, a lot of exciting stuff to come
Speaker 1: here over the next days and weeks, so keep it
Speaker 1: tuned into the show. You can also find us out
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram if you'd like more updates
Speaker 1: about what's going on. My final note is that I'd
Speaker 1: like to congratulate the winner of our pick a pool, Anthony.
Speaker 1: Oh who was it, gentlemen by the name of Anthony.
Speaker 1: I could have sworn you told me of Villanova won
Speaker 1: at all? I was incorrect.
Speaker 2: Wow, and you were trusted to buy a house with
Speaker 2: that math?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not good? Right? All right, Well, congratulations to mom H,
Speaker 2: which I'm sure it was a good showing.
Speaker 1: Mama H won a different basketball pool that she was
Speaker 1: in good or came in second. I should say glad
Speaker 1: to hear it. But Anthony one hours are going to
Speaker 1: send him a shirt. Good on you, sir for winning.
Speaker 1: Long time listening to the program. We appreciate your participation
Speaker 1: in support over the years.
Speaker 2: This is true.
Speaker 1: And that's all I got, Dan, I.
Speaker 2: Think that's all I have. I'm going to Atlanta in
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks now, maybe Nashville after that. All right,
Speaker 2: let me tell you when you have extra time, Tie,
Speaker 2: you say yes to travel. I will leave it at that.
Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,
Speaker 1: for myself, Tie Hildebrand, We'll catch you.
Speaker 2: All in a week.
Speaker 1: Enjoy your week, Enjoy your weekend. And in the meantime
Speaker 1: stay solid peace,