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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid Verbal coll that for me, I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm for I've heard so many players say, well, I

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Speaker 2: want to be happy, you want to be happy for

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Speaker 2: dake Ado State? Is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal boys and girls.

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Speaker 1: My name is ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over

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Speaker 1: there in New York City, my good friend Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 2: Sir, sir, how are you? I'm pretty good. I'm slowly

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Speaker 2: but surely moving into what will eventually become the home

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Speaker 2: studio slash second room, slash soft and soundproof experience. It's

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Speaker 2: going pretty well. I've got three three shoe boxes stacked

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Speaker 2: on which I'm speaking.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't know if I've mentioned

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Speaker 1: this in the show, but I recently purchased a house.

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Speaker 1: Whoa yeah, and that means I get to rebuild my

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Speaker 1: studio in a different locale, which I'm very excited about

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Speaker 1: in all the nerdiest possible ways. You know me, I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited about it. Right, So you're building your studio

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Speaker 1: now in your new Prisi and in a matter of

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Speaker 1: weeks I'm going to be rebuilding solid Verble. I guess

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Speaker 1: it'd be West Soliverble, Pennsylvania headquarters over here on this

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Speaker 1: end of things. So exciting times ahead.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like a solid verbal compound because you like

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Speaker 2: that so much more room. So on top of everything

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Speaker 2: that I assume is horrible about moving into and buying

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Speaker 2: and dealing with all of the extracurriculars involved with buying

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Speaker 2: a house, right, I mean, it's all good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, it's not ultimately good, but I'm just saying to

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Speaker 1: truly complain about. But yeah, in addition to all the

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Speaker 1: other considerations, Yeah, we've got to consider acoustics and lighting

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Speaker 1: and things of that nature.

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Speaker 2: Sure, No, I'm thinking specifically, like there are headaches involved

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Speaker 2: with buying a house. Sure, oh, you you specific are

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Speaker 2: probably spending and I'm just guessing here seven to eight mil. Oh,

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Speaker 2: And no, you're dealing with inspectors, and you're dealing with

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Speaker 2: down payments in the bank and which neighborhood and you know,

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Speaker 2: I guess you have to consider things like school districts eventually,

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Speaker 2: that goes into it. I assume having never gone through

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Speaker 2: that process, but something that I feel like won't be

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Speaker 2: a headache. You have like a new audio pet project

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And you could ask Solid Life Kate about this,

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Speaker 1: she'd back me up. But while she's in there asking

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Speaker 1: about flooring and colors, I'm wondering, Okay, where do we

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Speaker 1: set up the internet beacons in here to get optimal coverage?

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Speaker 1: And which one of these rooms is going to be

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Speaker 1: the eventual soliverrable studios?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, the most how's the backyard? Backyard's much bigger?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can do my little Saturday Facebook things from

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Speaker 1: an actual yard. Now going a little nature walk.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible. More to come on that, but okay, I see,

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the process leading up to your web Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Every Well, we'll tell story. We'll have story time after

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Speaker 1: this whole thing is on ice.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So as it relates more to College ESA and

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Speaker 2: the Solid Verbal what's new we got? What's not new?

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Speaker 1: Dan? We got a lot going on here. You're building

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Speaker 1: a studio. I'm about to rebuild mine. Uh, We've got

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Speaker 1: a new website coming, yes at solidverbal dot com. We've

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Speaker 1: had people write in and ask about that here and there.

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Speaker 1: Our website isn't so much an attraction for people because

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Speaker 2: We have a new website. In addition to that, we've

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Speaker 2: mentioned that in August we're going to do a live

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Speaker 1: Correct, that is correct, the live show. Yeah, very exciting.

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Speaker 2: We will be doing that in Chicago, Illinois. We are boom,

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Speaker 1: That is going to be our big end of summer

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Speaker 1: shindig and gosh, you're coming in hot here. I know

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Speaker 1: you took a nap before this show. I don't even

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Speaker 1: interested at sliverbal at gmail dot com, also Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: Plan on it probably a Saturday in early to mid August.

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Speaker 1: Correct the final note, While we're talking about sites and shows,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about shirts. Because the Solid Verbal shirts have

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Speaker 1: been immensely popular over the last couple of years, we

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Speaker 1: strapless bras. Now I realize that's not exactly the most

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Speaker 2: New Solid verbal shirts, new non Solid verbal shirts, but

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Speaker 2: having to do with relevant interests in a streamline package.

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Speaker 1: There you go, that makes sense absolutely all right, well, Nail,

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Speaker 2: Man, you know what I'm talking about here, Ty, We

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Speaker 2: have ten teams here today. These are not the popular

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Speaker 2: Ten teams here today that we admittedly don't talk about

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about one of your draft picks, Dan, who

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's talk k State. I think Kseate

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Speaker 2: When I was pouring through some things, just sort of

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Speaker 1: I liken the new version of Kansas State to like

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Speaker 1: a large same team, same philosophy, same team, same coach,

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Speaker 1: And that is part of the reason why I'm with you.

433
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Speaker 1: I find them so damn admirable.

434
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Speaker 2: I wish they would I know there's talent in the backfield.

435
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: I wish they would do better at developing bigger time

436
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: running backs because that feels like they'd be even way

437
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: way better. Because defensively, I don't have a ton of

438
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: questions even though there's new guys there, just because of

439
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: year over year they seem to develop nicely. They need

440
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: to rush the passer, they need to figure out some

441
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: replacements upfront, But no, there is something very comforting about

442
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: Kansas State, and I honestly it was so fun to

443
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: watch them not just win games twenty to nineteen. Last

444
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: year it was forty five forty over Oklahoma State. When

445
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 2: I think it was Skyler Thompson through for it was

446
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 2: like seventeen yards per It was ridiculous. It was so

447
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: fun to watch. So I appreciate that evolution, even when

448
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: philosophically things are pretty similar. I agree, budding potential, Daniel,

449
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: butdding potential. Let's go to one of my picks here. Okay,

450
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about North Carolina. Oh okay, No,

451
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Speaker 2: Budding Potential is.

452
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Speaker 1: Made fun of North Carolina at our last live show.

453
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Speaker 1: You know, North Carolina had a three and nine year,

454
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Speaker 1: and I think we sort of liken them to just

455
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Speaker 1: the like the senior who gives up best case of

456
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Speaker 1: senior ride. It's worst case of senioritis. You know, they

457
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: get a couple of games in and it's like dog,

458
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Speaker 1: it's over. We're moving on to college.

459
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Speaker 2: Here.

460
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Speaker 1: It's things done. Three to nine, not.

461
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Speaker 2: A good year, super beat up, super beat up. It

462
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: was senioritis, it was tendon itis, it was larryn Je,

463
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: it was everything. ITAs Carolina.

464
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Speaker 1: Though, it's one of those teams where I looked into

465
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: them a little bit more and I still don't feel

466
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Speaker 1: like I really got anywhere. Okay, I think the outlook

467
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: has to be better than it was a year ago,

468
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: because you're right, the injury department was not kind to

469
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: them at all. Warry Fedora as a coach, you might

470
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: question what he can do defensively, but in terms of offense,

471
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: he's generally got a pretty good track record. That was

472
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Speaker 1: part of the reason why they hired him. Sure, he's

473
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Speaker 1: a guy who knows how to develop offensive talent. I

474
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Speaker 1: feel really good about Anthony Ratliff Williams. I think he's

475
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: a stud in the makings. I really like Nathan Elliott

476
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: throwing to Anthony Ratliff Williams towards the latter part of

477
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Speaker 1: last season. What I didn't like is that it took

478
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Speaker 1: him like seven games to get to Nathan Elliott correct

479
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: something crazy like that. And from everything that I could

480
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: see in the early part of the spring here, the

481
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Speaker 1: book is not closed on Nathan Elliott being the starter.

482
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Speaker 1: There's still a chance that they could go to Chaz Surat.

483
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: I remember Chazz.

484
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Speaker 1: For as much as I'd love to have a Chaz

485
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: that we can talk about week in a week out,

486
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Speaker 1: I think for the immediate future that Nathan Elliot is

487
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: probably the guy they should go to.

488
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: North Carolina very much felt last year like a team

489
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Speaker 2: if you were looking at somebody else in the ACC

490
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: their resume, and they beat North Carolina and You just

491
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: hope that whoever was listening didn't fully listen or know

492
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: the context of what beating North Carolina in twenty seventeen meant.

493
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: It was like getting a ninety three on a test

494
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: that was out of one hundred and fifty. That's what

495
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: beating North Carolina was. That seems fair to me.

496
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Speaker 1: You mentioned the injuries, and as our friend Bill Connolly

497
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: has said time and time again, having injuries is bad. However,

498
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: when you have the injuries, it gives you a chance

499
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: to build some depth because you play a lot of

500
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Speaker 1: the younger guys. This could be the year where North

501
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: Carolina sees some fruit from that. A lot of their

502
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: younger guys did get experienced because everyone was so banged up.

503
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: So you know, along the lines at the skill positions,

504
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: the offense has weapons. Larry Foedora knows how to use

505
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: those weapons. We'll see if they're able to elevate that

506
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: side of things in twenty eighteen. And oh, by the way,

507
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: don't want to get too far out over my skis here,

508
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: but a very workable schedule, sure, very workable schedule. Listen

509
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: to this schedule. I'll read through it very quickly. At

510
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: cal at ECU UCF could be a tough game, sure,

511
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: definitely Pitt at home, Miami on the road, Virginia Tech

512
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: at home Syracuse and Virginia on the road back to

513
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: back weeks. Then you've got Georgia Tech at Duke Western

514
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Speaker 1: Carolina n C State.

515
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Speaker 2: Here's my final question about North Carolina. Do you think

516
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: there's an element that North Carolina peaked a couple of

517
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: years ago? Absolutely in the Larry Fedora So I guess

518
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: what was it twenty fifteen in where they went to

519
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: the ACC Championship game. There is there an element where

520
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: obviously they had a ton of success with Seth Latrell

521
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: as offensive coordinator and he's moved on quite successfully to

522
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: North Texas. They had the gusmels On at defensive coordinator

523
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: experiment that looked promising in year one and then sort

524
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: of fell apart. That there is just an element of

525
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: Larry Fedora looking elsewhere, perhaps a little bit too much

526
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: to maintain that level that perhaps I wouldn't say he's

527
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: checked out, that would be totally unfair, but it might

528
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: seem that his heart isn't fully with North Carolina and

529
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: that's reflective.

530
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the thought crossed my mind in watching three and

531
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: nine North Carolina last year that Larry Fedora missed his

532
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: chance to truly cash out while his stock was high, Right,

533
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: was he truly in on the rebuilding effort?

534
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Speaker 2: They won what like ten straight in twenty fifteen before

535
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: the AEC had a good year. Yeah, I remember talking

536
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: like can Carolina beat Clemson? They were a wonky on

537
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: side kick away. Yeah. I think to compare him to

538
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: Sonny Dyke's and Kal isn't fully fair because he's had

539
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: much more success. But Sunny Dikes was always that same

540
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: guy who had eyes elsewhere, and ultimately things just went

541
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: super downhill after that eight win year and they just

542
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: had enough of each other. I hope that it doesn't

543
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: come to that. I hope that North Carolina is on

544
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: the bounce back because it's an attractive school that can

545
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: attract high level talent that succeed in a big way

546
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: in the ACC. So I'm hoping that's not the case

547
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: that there was a window. So we'll see.

548
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: They have talent coming back, They have some experience from

549
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: a year ago because of the injuries coming back, if

550
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: they can stay healthy, if they can build on some

551
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: of that experience from a year ago, I think it

552
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: puts them in a position where you know, maybe we're

553
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: talking about them in a much, much different light. That's

554
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: not to overlook that their offensive line isn't a bit

555
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: of flux. And defensively, they too have been terrible thirty

556
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: one points a game last year, awful against the run.

557
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: They do have deficiency that they need to get resolved.

558
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: But I think by and large I feel better than

559
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: three and nine.

560
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they should be a bowl team every year. Absolutely,

561
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: Let's make a surprisingly easy transition to Cal Okay so

562
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: Cal in their I guess last five years, that's four

563
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: years of Sunny Dyke's and one year of Justin Wilcox

564
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: one in eleven eight and five five seven five seven

565
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: five seven, which is about right. I think we were

566
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: pretty high on Cal early on beating North Carolina and

567
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: Ole Miss early on in September, and then everything sort

568
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: of came back down to earth pretty quickly. And then

569
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: they slaughtered Wazoo. I think was that an Adam a

570
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: mean game? I believe it was. They beat Adam, they

571
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: beat at them. They beat Washington State, generating like seven turnovers.

572
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: Ross Bauers starting quarterback flips into the goal line for

573
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: a touchdown. Flips over the goal line, and cal is

574
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: a team where they have recruiting advantages of being in

575
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: California and northern California. There's a lot of talent that

576
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: academically they can attract high achievers that are also football players.

577
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: They have redone their facilities recently. I know the couple

578
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: years ago they attracted the number one receiver in the

579
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: country Demetrius Robertson, who's very good as a freshman, but

580
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: got hurt early on last year. So that's a promising

581
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: name coming back this year for his I think junior

582
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: year unless he was given a medical redshirt last year.

583
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: They have a potentially promising transfer in Brandon mckaway who

584
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: comes over from South Carolina, former blue chip quarterback, duel

585
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: threat guy who I think was also really good baseball player.

586
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: So in terms of positive things, offense potential with Demetris

587
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: Robertson and possible quarterback change who knows defense, a lot

588
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: of work. They kept mostly for the most part, kept

589
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: a really solid staff in place Bo Baldwin was flirting

590
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: with the Oregon State job. He didn't get it, so

591
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: he's back and he'll be calling plays, and I think

592
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: that's a big positive that they're able to retain Baldwin.

593
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: The Pac twelve North is tough. It's not a super

594
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: easy conference to get better in. But with more quarterback experience,

595
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: better offensive skill talent, I think they should be competing

596
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: for a bowl year and a year out, if not.

597
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: Beyond that, I like the defensive coaching staff. They are

598
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: actually pretty strong in the back end on defense. They

599
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: have a lot of work in terms of new guys upfront,

600
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: but when they generated turnovers, which is like every team

601
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: in the country, they succeeded. They showed their potential against

602
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: Wazoo last year and Ole Miss North Carolina whatever. I

603
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: am hopeful that KL is able to take advantage of

604
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: things that they have that other Pack twelve teams don't

605
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: necessarily have. Have you been to Berkeley, tie.

606
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: I haven't. I've never been to Berkeley.

607
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: I love Berkeley, but I could understand why a seventeen

608
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: year old wouldn't. I could definitely understand it. So I

609
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: am I am buying on cal as A because I

610
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: really do like Justin Wilcox. I'm buying cal as A

611
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: starting this year and beyond making bowl games.

612
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: I you know what, I like cal last year? Why

613
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: for all their deficiencies, and of course they weren't all

614
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: that consistent, but they were damn plucky, weren't they.

615
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they finished the season what they almost beat Stanford

616
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: and UCLA, And I like seeing that a team that

617
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: is down and beat up and losing key players and

618
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: you know, getting blown out by a couple teams. I

619
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: like that they showed fight deep into November. I think

620
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: that's a good sign for the Bears moving forward. Oh.

621
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you can say that about Cal. I should have

622
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: said that about UNC. They were in the same time.

623
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: They only won three games, but you could tell that

624
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: they were in every game. They were trying and they

625
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: were playing pretty damn hard, despite the fact that maybe

626
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: the record didn't reflect it.

627
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: To go back to my comparison, I think Cal is

628
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: a really good looking exchange students, okay, who doesn't fully

629
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: understand the concept of American dances and doesn't really speak

630
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: the language. But the potential tensions there, Okay, it's a

631
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: very weird, uh competiveon with you, I tye, I know

632
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: it's weird, and I'm just sometimes you just have to

633
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: to double.

634
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: Down, tie all right, double down, Dan, I like it. Yeah,

635
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: let me stay in the pac twelve stay best. Utah

636
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: went seven and six a year ago.

637
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 2: The Pac twelve's Kansas State.

638
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: That's right, seven and six a year ago. They won

639
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: the Heart of Dallas Bowl, I believe over West Virginia.

640
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: If memory serves, I think they were the only Pack

641
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: twelve team to win a bowl game. So I let's

642
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: celebrate that wind.

643
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: We have this difficulty every year with teams like Utah,

644
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: with teams like k State, you want to throw them

645
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: in the mix as well, teams that maybe lack the

646
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: sex appeal but don't ever seem to lack the consis

647
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: And see every year they find a way to achieve

648
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: the fundamentals and when they're out there playing the games,

649
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: that goes an awful long way, doesn't it.

650
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

651
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: And so what I like about this team first and

652
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: foremost is the coach Kyle Whittingham. Kyle Whittingham knows how

653
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: to coach those fundamentals. He knows how to get a

654
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: team ready, and he knows how to be consistent, particularly

655
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball.

656
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: With Utah over the.

657
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: Years, it's really been upfront along that defensive line. This year,

658
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: I think it could be a little bit different for

659
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: him because he's only got one guy back along the

660
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: defensive line, and much of his experience will be in

661
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: the defensive backfield and as you look at like the backgate. Now,

662
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: with that being said, does anyone doubt that by the

663
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: end of the year, Kyle Whittingham will find a way

664
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Speaker 1: to put together a top twenty five defensive line in

665
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: college football? I don't know. Which is what he does, right,

666
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: that's his thing, it's his mm.

667
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

668
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: So defensively, Utah is gonna be fine, and that goes

669
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: a long way in a conference that by and large

670
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: is still dictated by offense. Sure, you pair some of

671
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: those pyrotechnical offenses up against a quality, fundamentally sound defense,

672
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: and that has That's where Kyle Whittingham's made us say, so,

673
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna be just fine on the defensive side of

674
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: the ball. What I like about them in addition to

675
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: that is the fact that Tyler Huntley, their quarterback, who

676
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: had a breakout year last year, he comes back. I

677
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: like that they seem to have enough talent around him.

678
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: Not guys that maybe have the sex appeal they might

679
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: find elsewhere, but certainly plenty of depth on offense that

680
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: can work around Tyler Huntley and outside of really just

681
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: losing their top two weapons out wide, which is no

682
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: laughing matter you lose a guy like Darren Carington who

683
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: had a great year. I think Utah can be a

684
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: team that is more than just consistent on defense and

685
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: fledgling on offense. I feel good about their prospects that

686
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: take a leap forward on offense.

687
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Other than Darren Carrington, Utah offensively has been a

688
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: who's who of huge depth of guys who can't get

689
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 2: open downfield that's right, like real solid at like six

690
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 2: yards and turn around and boom the balls right there.

691
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: But as soon as you actually need to stretch the field,

692
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 2: Utah has struggled finding those guys recently. But I have

693
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: developed running backs nicely. You mentioned the lines all true.

694
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: We've been able to count on a Utah November swoon

695
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: pretty consistently. Like they really start impressing us September into October,

696
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: maybe knock off USC or something like that, and then

697
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: just get murdered by Arizona, right or just get beat

698
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: up by Oregon State and you're like, where what happened

699
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: to the other Utah? What we were? So you know

700
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: who Utah is at the dance tie double down. Dan

701
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: Utah's let's say a little larger. I think that's fair

702
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: to say, charmingly large, possibly Australian, very charming, affable, big personality,

703
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: convinces a crush to dance. You get close to them, ooh,

704
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: should have put onto Okay, who should have checked the breath?

705
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 2: Just those those little final touches just aren't there for Utah.

706
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: And it seems to be the case year in and year out.

707
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: But again, they were the only team to win a

708
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: Bowl game.

709
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: So so, good bones is what you're saying. Good bones,

710
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: but a little rough around the edges, yes, absolutely, Maybe

711
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: no defining feature, Yeah, everybody knows and loves the what

712
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: of soft features? The affable big guy? Yeah, great to

713
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: have around. All right, all right, so Utah, All right.

714
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: That's Utah. We'll go to another team with an affable

715
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: big guy. Affable big guy, appable big guy. Let's go

716
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: to South Carolina. Ooh and I I'm going to take

717
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: back the word affable and I'm gonna I'm going to

718
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: fill it in with needlessly aggressive.

719
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: Right, that would be Will musch champ Nce. Needlessly aggressive

720
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: feels accurate to me.

721
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just shout out to the whiteboards out there

722
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: for their sacrifice. Six and six, eight and four in

723
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: his two seasons in Colombia, And I guess it's relevant

724
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: that Steve Spurrier in three of his four final full seasons,

725
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: so not the season that he left early where I

726
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: think his son took over. He won ten games. So

727
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: it's a very different sec East than the end dish

728
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: of the Steve Spurrier era. But winning at South Carolina

729
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: is doable, is one hundred percent doable, even with a

730
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: national championship contender in state as a rival. Now South

731
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: Carolina and the story of their spring has sort of

732
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: been the tanner leization of the offensive tempo that they're

733
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: running with Brian McClendon, which is listen, we hope it

734
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: works out, tigeh. I see story after story after story.

735
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: They're playing with tempo, this new look offense. You know,

736
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: they get rid of Kurt Roper at the end of

737
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: the season last year. You know, George's Brian McClendon comes in.

738
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: He's a I think receivers coach has been promoted to

739
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, Jake Bentley coming into his own. They get

740
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel back. It's all happening in Columbia.

741
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: Yes, so you'll remember that Steve Spurrier in South Carolina

742
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: parted ways Very early on in the cycle, we talked

743
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: about the coaching carousel. South Carolina seemed like they were

744
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: the first one to be out there advertising the fact

745
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: that they were going to have an opening, and for

746
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: a while it seemed as if they might get Tom Herman.

747
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: That was the rumor initially, Tom Herman. Wow, what a

748
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: get for the SEC East. That did not materialize, and actually,

749
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: as this thing played out, they were one of the

750
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: last teams to get a football coach. It almost felt

751
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: like a bit of a letdown.

752
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were rich Rod rumors I believe in there

753
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: as well.

754
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: Sure, and so eventually when they brought in Will Muschamp,

755
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: it was like, oh God, a retread. A retread does

756
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: not seem like what South Carolina wanted when they announced

757
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: this move very early. But I'm pretty optimistic it was

758
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: not pyrotechnic. But there are the bones there again, affable,

759
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: big guy, overly aggressive, big guy. What have you that

760
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: I think with the SEC East, you know, getting better

761
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: as a whole and more mysterious and new. Yeah, and

762
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: more mysterious. Sure, there are plenty of reasons to feel

763
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: like South Carolina's headed in a good direction to keep

764
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: up with the Jones.

765
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: South Carolina felt like a very dependable neighborhood restaurant last

766
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: year where they knew that the limitations were clear. And

767
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: you don't watch a South Carolina game thinking that they're

768
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: going to beat up on Georgia or they're going to

769
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: beat up on somebody. Great, but Chick Bentley was solid,

770
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: maybe through little too many picks. Defense was nice. They

771
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: lose a few key pieces, but we turned a couple

772
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: of big ones up front and when they lost, they

773
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: definitely should have lost, and when they won, they should

774
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: have won. And we knew we were getting.

775
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: So what we're describing here is the old Applebe's commercial coach.

776
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: Can you can you follow me over here for a second.

777
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't wish that on South.

778
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: Can Will mush Champ? Will mush Champ hangs up the picture?

779
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I want to say, an actual,

780
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: dependably good and consistent neighborhood restaurant money and good in

781
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: the neighborhood dan that has specific limitations and maybe listen,

782
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: maybe this new offense is like a dope happy hour

783
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: that they're starting. I don't know, but I just wing.

784
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: I am hoping for good things for with the returning

785
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: quarterback in the SEC because and listen, Will Musshamp. Let's

786
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: if we zoom out a little bit, Florida fans are

787
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: generally going to be, you know, upset about everything. They

788
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: went to national championships ten twelve years ago, and that

789
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: the expectations are through the roof, and to a certain extent,

790
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: rightfully so, Will mus Champ was in demand. Will must

791
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: Champ has succeeded with defense and recruiting everywhere he's been

792
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: for the most part, or I think everywhere he's recruited

793
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: super well. South Carolina signed a top twenty class, I

794
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: believe this past cycle. So there are multiple reasons to

795
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: believe in South Carolina as a team whose trajectory is encouraging,

796
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 2: with a returning quarterback with a new system on offense,

797
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: with which, by the way, the faster you play, the

798
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: more depth you need to have on defense for when

799
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: things go wrong. So I don't have their depth chart

800
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: in front of me, but that's something to consider. But

801
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: all things, you know, being equal, I am hopeful and

802
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: encouraged by South Carolina and Debo's back. Debo's so good.

803
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: Devo's back.

804
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: The final point I'll bring up about Will mush Champ,

805
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: and then we're going to move on to Northwestern. It

806
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 1: does seem like, well Muschamp learned from his previous stop.

807
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Ty, if I can draft that right now,

808
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: Will mush Champ has learned from his past mistakes, I

809
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: would just throwing it out. Oh my god, Ty, put

810
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: me down. I'm on the clock. That's what I'm taking,

811
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: all right, Sorry about Northwestern? Okay, I was just there.

812
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: Northwestern was ten and three last year they won the

813
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: Music City Bowl over Kentucky. I have no idea how

814
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: they went ten and three. I never have any idea

815
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: how they go ten and three or nine and three

816
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: or eight and five. Northwestern to me is and forever

817
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: will be a blind spot. Maybe when we get out

818
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: to Chicago and do the live show, we can talk

819
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: about this in a little bit more detail.

820
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: Unbelievable new practice facility right on the lake.

821
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: This is a team to me that I never get.

822
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: If I'm always in on Texas, I always feel like

823
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm out on Northwestern.

824
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

825
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: And as I go through and look at what the

826
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: future holds for this team. I gotta be honest, I

827
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: feel the same. Clayton Thorson blew out his ACL at

828
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: the end of last year. He's still rehabing it. Not

829
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: going to see much of him this spring.

830
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: M hmm.

831
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: Jeremy Jackson's gone, Nate Hall also hurt and recuperating the spring.

832
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: The schedule looks impossibly difficult to me. It looks seven

833
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: and five at best. So I'm not sure why I

834
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: feel optimistic at all about Northwestern, other than to say

835
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: that I'm usually wrong about them. They weren't ten and

836
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: three a year ago, and I didn't think it was possible.

837
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: I look at the schedule now, I look at some

838
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: of the uncertainty. I say, seven and five, Dan, they

839
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: will do better than seven and five. Agree, Yes, oh.

840
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I'm a big believer in Dan Persa tie.

841
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: Isn't he from where you are? Fromthlehem? Catholic? Yeah? Yeah, okay.

842
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 2: So if you if Dan Persa showed up this year

843
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: and just played quarterback for Northwestern, yeah, and we tuned in,

844
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: would you have any sort of inkling like is that

845
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: that can't be right? Would no idea? You would have

846
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: no clue. Northwestern does things and succeeds because they they're

847
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: not conservative. Even though their offense has been sort of

848
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: disappointing recently, it's been defense for Northwestern recently, and it

849
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: feels very much like Northwestern is in a sea of

850
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: volatility in the Big Ten West. I mean, with Nebraska struggling,

851
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: with Iowa up and down, Wisconsin obviously has been super consistent,

852
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: and Illinois has been down for a while. That Northwestern

853
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily succeeding because they are a very very good

854
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 2: team just bludgeoning lesser teams. They're just a consistent team.

855
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: They're like there's somebody that is existing during a depression

856
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: that decided, you know what, I don't trust the banks.

857
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: I'm just going to keep all my money myself and

858
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: I'll see what happens. They're not making any money, but

859
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: they're just getting by. They're just living their best life.

860
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: And that's what I feel like Northwest. They're developing, especially

861
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: upfront on defense and the developing NFL level talent. They're

862
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: keeping themselves in games. They don't make a ton of mistakes.

863
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: And in the Big Ten West in twenty fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

864
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: goes a long way, doesn't it.

865
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, big time, pretty good.

866
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: Defense, not a ton of mistakes on offense year over year.

867
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: The quarterbacks are always like a B plus that's great

868
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: Northwestern home run hitter. And Justin Jackson he's gone this

869
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: year though I know he's gone, but like it. It

870
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: feels like they don't have to count on any one

871
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: thing in the way that schools that have high ceilings

872
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: sometimes do. The one thing is that they have the

873
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: consistency of a coach, and they have the consistency of

874
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: playing in a division that they can come in second

875
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: in every year.

876
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: The ultimate in team football.

877
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: By the way, I really like Evanston. I was just

878
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: there because I was in Chicago and we were kicked

879
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: out of my in law's house because they were preparing

880
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: for a big dinner. And it was nice. Evans is

881
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: a nice college town right there on the lake. I'm

882
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: sure it's just balls awful during the winter, but it

883
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: was super nice in spring. I liked it all right.

884
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: Stay in the Big ten West, talk to me about Minnesota.

885
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: Let's set called HEJ fleck Row the boat.

886
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah I am. I'm feeling pretty good. After seeing his

887
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: first full recruiting class, and knowing what they might be

888
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: able to do on offense, which is something they haven't

889
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: been able to do in a long time. Do you

890
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: know the last time Minnesota finished the season in the

891
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: top twenty?

892
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: Probably gotta go back seven eight years, two thousand and three,

893
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: whoa Lawrence morony?

894
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 2: Minnesota is the last time they finished in the top twenty.

895
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: And you know, the Jerry Kill era had certain ups

896
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: and certain downs, certainly Minnesota six and six, eight and four,

897
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: eight and four, five and seven, eight and four, five

898
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: and seven, and that all feels like I could have

899
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: made that up up right there? Would you have known? Nope?

900
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: No known? So no and apologies Nebraska fans. No decent

901
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: wins in twenty seventeen, first year of the PJ. Fleck era.

902
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: But obviously that transition happened was in March February, March.

903
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: It was not a natural transition from Minnesota. I guess

904
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: he finished out the class, so I guess it was

905
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: maybe January. I don't know, but Minnesota had a expectedly

906
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: disappointing first year of the PJ. Fleck era. But here's

907
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: the good news. Demory Croft gone transferred to I think

908
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: Tennessee State. The starting quarterback. They have a promising juco

909
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 2: Maybe he's there, girod Evans. Maybe it's the Newish coach

910
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 2: bringing a JC quarterback to run a certain style better

911
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: than the incumbent guy. His name is vic vi Via Montes.

912
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: It sounds like a phenomenal name, so I'm already rooting

913
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: for him. Good size, dual threat makes sense. The big

914
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: thing is PJ. Fleck recruited super well offensively, They have weapons.

915
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 2: There's an incoming freshm and we talked to Bud Elliott

916
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 2: about Minnesota's incoming class. I believe it's was Rashad Bateman,

917
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: four star receiver from Georgia who and I know there's

918
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: returning talent offensively, skill position wise, but he could come

919
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: in and offer something that they haven't necessarily had in

920
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 2: a little bit, and that's high level offensive skill talent

921
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: that could be consistent over the next three or four years. So, yes,

922
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: Minnesota had a struggle is year. Last year the offensive

923
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: line was just totally decimated by injuries. I am I

924
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: feel good about PJ. Fleck as he gets more and

925
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: more of his own recruits to Minneapolis because he is

926
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: somebody who is going to succeed. And they kept all

927
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: their coaches from last year. He is somebody who will

928
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: succeed because he gets this team ready, both physically and emotionally.

929
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 2: If Minnesota is to win eight or nine games every

930
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: so often or more often than not, it will be

931
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: because this is a team that plays hard and forces

932
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: turnovers and does things, and they do things that inspired

933
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: teams do really well. So I feel good about Minnesota

934
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: improving as it becomes more and more flecky flecky, as

935
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: it becomes as that roster becomes more and more flecky,

936
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: because I think he's going to be able to recruit

937
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: on a top forty level. Flecky flecky baby wow. So

938
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: I you know, the Big ten West not too bad.

939
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: It's improving, it's improving. Wisconsin obviously the titan of the

940
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: West for right now. Nebraska brings in Scott Frost. With

941
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: Scott Frost comes a ton of talent on the coaching

942
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: side of things, for sure, and a ton of promise

943
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 2: being so he's an alum of Nebraska. You've obviously got

944
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: Purdue in that situation, which has improved very quickly. Yep.

945
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about Minnesota. We talked about old Trusty Northwestern.

946
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 2: And Minnesota can help to provide that depth, provided they've

947
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: got to recruit better up front. On defense, they were

948
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: so good for so long when Jerry Kill was the

949
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: head coach. I think their defensive coordinators now at Washington State.

950
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: He replaced Alex Grinch who goes to Ohio State. But

951
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: they were so good at developing large, three star defensive

952
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: men and that sort of fell off these past couple

953
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: of years. So if they're able to get back to

954
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: that point, I feel good about Minnesota as a once

955
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: again perennial Bowl team. That is good enough. God, I

956
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: just remember Mitch Leidner's existence. That is good enough to

957
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: get to and win bowl games and make this And

958
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: you're right, I think the Big Ten West, for as

959
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: much as we've made fun of it recently, with a

960
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: just the most consistent team outside of I guess like

961
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 2: Alabama and Clemson at this point in Wisconsin, not the best,

962
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: but the most consistent Ohio State. But the consistency of Wisconsin,

963
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: the upside of Nebraska, the intrigue of Purdue, and I

964
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: think there can be energy with Minnesota. And I say

965
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: this sincerely, Tie, I want to get to Minneapolis. Everybody

966
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: that I mentioned the word Minneapolis too, says, you know what,

967
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: Minneapolis pretty fun? I need. I've been to a lot

968
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 2: of places around this country. Tie, have you been to Minneapolis.

969
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: No, I've heard great things.

970
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: I got to get there sometime between. Yeah, exactly. So

971
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: I don't know about twenty eighteen, but I can see,

972
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: like through the haze, I can see a fun Minnesota.

973
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: And they also got that Remember the giant. I think

974
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: he's Australian, but he went to the IMG Academy in

975
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: Florida and Andy Stables or a feature about him, Daniel Folele.

976
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so he's at Minnesota. He's a project.

977
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: He's only been playing football for like three and a

978
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 2: half weeks. But if he is anything, he's like six

979
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: or eight four hundred pounds. If he can get his

980
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: weight down a little bit, I don't know. That could

981
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: be they could have a ridiculous freak on their hands.

982
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: Who knows. So all right, I'm exa stay.

983
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: Let me stay in the Midwest here and talk about

984
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: my final team. This was a crowd favorite last year.

985
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: It's not so much a team that we didn't talk

986
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 1: a lot about. It's a team that we haven't talked

987
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: much about in the long story ten year history of

988
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: the Saliver Ball. Last year was really one of the

989
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: only years that we talked about Iowa State, maybe the

990
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: only notable exception being when we had Paul Rhodes when

991
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: he was coach on the program interviewed him one of

992
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: her favorite interviews that we've done with the coach. Iowa

993
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: State won eight and five last year. They won the

994
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: Liberty Bawl over Memphis in a good game twenty one

995
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: twenty I want to say, more of a defensive game

996
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: than perhaps we expected. They were the surprise sort of

997
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: breakout team of all last year. Matt Campbell, there head

998
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: football coach, was in his second year, obviously paying very

999
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: quick short term dividends for the Cyclones since they brought

1000
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: him over. What I like about Iowa State moving forward

1001
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: is that Kyle Kemp got an extra year of eligibility. Sure,

1002
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how old Kyle kempt is, but anytime

1003
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: you win an extra year of eligibility, that usually means

1004
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: you're older than your peers. Kyle Kemp had a good

1005
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: season last year, took over at quarterback for Jacob Park

1006
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: and was it was just someone who came in and

1007
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: was consistent didn't shoot himself in the foot, was able

1008
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: to get the ball to our boy, Duke of his

1009
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: Ard Alanlizard. They lose him though, right, they lose the

1010
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: Duke Alan Bizard. They still have David Montgomery though year. Yeah,

1011
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: David Montgomery was pretty good. We're down a little bit

1012
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,479
Speaker 1: down the stretch, but still pretty good. They have some

1013
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: returning players along the offensive line, which I think is

1014
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: going to give them some stability. And I think the

1015
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: second half of their schedule is very gettable. Gettable for

1016
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: Iowa State.

1017
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: Hit me with the second half of their schedule, Texas.

1018
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: Tech at home, on the road at Kansas, Baylor at

1019
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: home at Texas, which is a tough game, sure, but

1020
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: who knows what you're gonna get out of Texas anymore?

1021
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: And then back home against k State getible gettable.

1022
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: That's fine. I mean, we're talking about a team that

1023
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: beat Oklahoma and Baker Mayfield last year.

1024
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: That's right. The first half of the schedule scares me

1025
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I think maybe there's a feeling

1026
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: out process till this team tries to adapt to losing

1027
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: guys like Duke of Fizzard, Alam Wizart. You go on

1028
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: the road at Iowa, I always got a pretty good

1029
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: quarterback in Nate Stanley. Early season. Who knows what you're

1030
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,959
Speaker 1: going to get there early September, even though you're home

1031
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: against Oklahoma the following week, you're still playing Oklahoma. It's

1032
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: a tough game. Sure, you also got to go on

1033
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: the road to TCU on the road to Oklahoma. State

1034
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: also got a game against West Virginia with Will Greer

1035
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: coming back. So I think that's demonstrably tougher than the

1036
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: back part of that schedule. But it's getable. Yeah, it's gettable.

1037
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: Second half of that schedule is gettable. I'm concerned that

1038
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: they lose Alan Wizard. It feels like the meat of

1039
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: that wide receiving corps is gone. New guys are gonna

1040
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: have to step up. They probably will, just don't know

1041
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: who yet. And they need to get some sort of

1042
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: answer at linebacker because the Big Twelve is by and

1043
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: large and offensive conference, and they're gonna lose Joel Lanning.

1044
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna lose other pieces around Joel Lanning. I'm curious

1045
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: to see how that position group shakes out. And even

1046
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: though I mentioned earlier that they've got some guys coming

1047
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: back along the offensive line, they lose their two best

1048
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: guys in Jake Campos and Robbie Garcia, So it's just

1049
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: a lot of unknowns for me to start the season.

1050
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: For Iowa State. I feel much better about the second

1051
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: half of that schedule. They'll probably be fine the full

1052
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: year through because they've got Kyle camp running the offense

1053
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: and that's gonna go a long way. But still feeling

1054
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: out to mystic about Iowa State. Maybe not as optimistic

1055
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: as I was towards the latter half of the year

1056
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: last year when we're talking about realistically a team that

1057
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: could somehow win the Big Twelve, which is weird for

1058
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: all of us, but Iowa State definitely played the part.

1059
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: If you told me that I was State went eight

1060
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: and four again, I would say that's a rating success

1061
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: and still a big step forward for Matt Campbell.

1062
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: I think Iowa State finished. I don't have I actually

1063
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: don't even know if I have access to the d

1064
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: analytics that may be associated with my own old work

1065
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: account that golduck. But I remember deep into the season

1066
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: Iowa State was leading the Big Twelve in points allowed

1067
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: or like points per drive.

1068
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: It was a defensive showing. Yeah, very much led by

1069
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: their defense last year.

1070
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: And one of my favorite things as somebody who watched

1071
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: a lot of Iowa State last year, but not closely

1072
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: because other games were happening at the same time. But

1073
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things, and people have written about

1074
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: it these past couple weeks is Iowa State basically at

1075
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: some point early on in this season, against obviously Big

1076
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: two twelve competition, they just said screw it, running like

1077
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: a base dime, but not just a base dime, like

1078
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: a three two six, and they played I want to say,

1079
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: because what's his name, Jacob Park was suspended for the

1080
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: Texas game or no, he wasn't suspended. He played in

1081
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: that game, but he wasn't particularly good. It was after

1082
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: that game I think he got suspended and they completely

1083
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: shut down what turned out to be an only okay

1084
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: or pretty good Texas offense, but they did it running

1085
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,479
Speaker 2: this crazy dime package where they were just sending six

1086
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: DB's everywhere. And apparently after that happened, Todd Orlando, defense

1087
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 2: coordinator of Texas, like went back and watched the tape

1088
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: and was like, what the hell was that? And then

1089
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: Texas and like other Big twelve teams started running this

1090
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: crazy three to two six that got more speed on

1091
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: the field. And if you had defensive tackles like Texas did,

1092
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: like Puna Ford, who could hold up and hold the

1093
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: line a little bit. You have all this speed running around,

1094
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: you have to have specific talent to it. But that

1095
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: was Iowa State. That was Iowa State's defense. I think

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00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: the defensive cour is Joe Haycock whatever however you pronounced

1097
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: that last name. Iowa State was super fun and creative

1098
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: and that's why they turned so many teams over so

1099
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: many times. And to you what you just finished your

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01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 2: analysis with, if they even make a bowl game this year, yeah,

1101
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: for the second consecutive year. If they make a bowl game.

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Speaker 2: What's your favorite restaurant in the greater Allentown, Bethlehem whatever area?

1103
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: Probably either White Orchids, a Thai restaurant, or.

1104
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: You get some of that tom Kas soup.

1105
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: Mexican place called Cactus Blue.

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01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: That's your number one. I've been there.

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01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to wager a you know, a

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01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: full meal, not just an entree but appetizer, entrede is

1110
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: or whatever, a side dish for the table? Would you

1111
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 2: wager that on Matt Campbell returning to Ames if they

1112
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: go to another bowl game this year?

1113
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: No? God, Yeah, what sucks.

1114
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet anything on that. Yeah. I don't know

1115
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: where he's he'd end up obviously, you know he is

1116
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: in the Midwest and there are a number of huge

1117
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: programs there. But man, what a story. Matt Campbell is

1118
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: a he's a processed guy too. He must love the Sixers. Yeah,

1119
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: he just loves the process and he has done a

1120
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: remarkable job.

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01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: I would not bet anything on that, Dan, Okay, just

1122
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: making sure I would not bet anything on that.

1123
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: Okay, let's finish up with I mean, you mentioned a

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01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: lot of Kyle Kempton his breakthrough year. I'm gonna mention

1125
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: the Wolford Wagon, who is not back unfortunately by Wake Forest.

1126
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: Wake Forest in the ACC in twenty seventeen. This is

1127
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 2: what they did. They go what seven and five and

1128
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: then they win the Bowl game over text A and

1129
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: M and the crazy shootout. So Dave Clawson's four years

1130
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: in Wake three and nine, three and nine, six and six,

1131
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: seven and five. So the line on the graph, the

1132
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: line of best fit, whatever the line graph we're looking at,

1133
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: going the preferred direction. Last year, they beat Louisville, they

1134
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: beat NC State, they beat A and M. They're passed

1135
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: away from beating Florida State, they mount a somewhat impressive

1136
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: comeback against Notre Dame. I know that game was sort

1137
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: of over, but they still scored points against a good

1138
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: Notre Dame defense couldn't really run, but the Wolford wagon

1139
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: was to this day, I feel like we do not

1140
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: talk about the Wolford wagon enough John Wolford and his

1141
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 2: evolution for Wake last year, and I don't know how

1142
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 2: good Kendall Hinton is going to be. I think his

1143
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: spring game was a little disappointing, but they have the receivers.

1144
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: The defense was okay to sub okay, but the ACC

1145
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: is in an interesting place right now that I am

1146
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: confident that Wake, if nothing else, can be a little

1147
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: bit northwestern e or they don't screw up too much.

1148
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: They have an efficient quarterback of Kendall Hinton works out

1149
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 2: that they can just survive games and weather A's schedule

1150
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: to the point. And I don't have their schedule in

1151
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: front of me this year, but I am confident that

1152
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 2: Wake is a perennial Bowl team under Dave Clawson for

1153
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: as long as he's there. Interesting because I think they're

1154
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 2: well coached. I think he's going to keep people in

1155
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 2: Winston Salem. The quarterback development has been there, and you

1156
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: should be able to recruit to Wake. Not on a

1157
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: high level, but you should be able to give in

1158
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 2: the location. This is not a desert of talent in

1159
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: North just both of the Carolinas. There should be enough

1160
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: at WAKE. And I know Florida State's obviously going to

1161
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: improve from where they were last year, but there are

1162
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 2: enough teams with sizeable enough questions that if Dave Clawson

1163
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 2: is able to get even above average quarterback play from

1164
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: whoever's under center, that they should be pretty good.

1165
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: The Wolford Wagon was a site to behold a year ago,

1166
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: and it's exciting to see a program like WAKE that

1167
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: has had trouble.

1168
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: Punching bag total punching bag.

1169
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: Over the last decade. It's exciting to see them go

1170
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: out there and can pete. And when I say compete,

1171
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean it truly go out there and compete.

1172
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, the Notre Dame game wasn't great, but they

1173
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: even they still acquitted themselves nicely.

1174
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: They quitted themselves nicely. So there you go. Are ten

1175
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: teams here that we discussed today.

1176
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: And nobody leaked their plays tie and nobody leaked their

1177
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: plays as far as we know. Amazing How that helps.

1178
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: Arkansas, North Carolina, Utah, Northwestern and Iowa State for me,

1179
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: and k State, cal Minnesota, South Carolina and Wake Forest

1180
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: for you. Yes, ten teams budding potential.

1181
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: I am a big believer. Tie to bring this bow

1182
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: back around. That's little little grease in their hair. Button

1183
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: up the shirts, put on some new shoes and just

1184
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: say screw it. I'm gonna talk to my crush across

1185
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: the dance floor. Good things will.

1186
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: Happen, good things, good Juju right here? Oh?

1187
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 2: Can I ask you one final question? And I promise

1188
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: we won't spend a lot of time on this.

1189
01:04:59,360 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: Please.

1190
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: It's the off season. We can do whatever we want.

1191
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: Got What do you got for me?

1192
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: Do you have Amazon Prime Video? Yes? Have you watched

1193
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: any of Michigan?

1194
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: No? Yet?

1195
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm talking about? I do? Yeah, Okay,

1196
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: so Michigan If you don't know what I'm talking about,

1197
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 2: Michigan is the subject of all or Nothing, which is

1198
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: I think the Hard Knocks crew. If you watch Hard

1199
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 2: Knocks and HBO with an NFL team, Last year it

1200
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: was with the Rams. They follow them the entire season.

1201
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 2: This year it's Michigan football. When I say this year,

1202
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: I mean the twenty seventeen season is airing now. It's

1203
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: on Amazon Prime Video. It's like a behind the scenes

1204
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: is any good? It's really good Jody with and I

1205
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: doesn't love reliving some of the moments from last year.

1206
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: There is so I'm We're three episodes in. It's a

1207
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: lot of harbor understandably, right, there is something super illuminating

1208
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: that I just don't think I considered. Jim Harbaugh is

1209
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 2: definitely more human than he portrays himself, but there is

1210
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: something that is very awkward. And it's not his faults

1211
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 2: about him trying to get to know and be a

1212
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: human around his players, okay, because he has eighty five

1213
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 2: players plus however many walk ons, and he goes to

1214
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 2: the when Tarik Black hurts his foot, he goes to

1215
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: the hospital and he's just he's an awkward because you

1216
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 2: just can't know everybody, right, but you have this responsibility.

1217
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 2: So he's just like this very awkward dad around. Like

1218
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: he goes into like a walk On's dorm and like

1219
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 2: the walk On's like, yeah, I'm Keith, Like it's just

1220
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 2: like he's never met the coach obviously, but it's it's

1221
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: a really good look. And Rashaan Gary is great and

1222
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: his mom might be the MVP of the early episodes.

1223
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 2: Rashan Gary's mom is great. She at one point, like

1224
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: before maybe the Cincinnati game, Cincinnati, the air Force game,

1225
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: she tells Rashaan Gary, star defensive lineman for the Wolverines,

1226
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: bring me that quarterback ass it was. She's wonderful and

1227
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 2: like Rashon Gary's awesome. He's like a four to zero student.

1228
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 2: Like it's I'm not a Michigan fan, but I love

1229
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: these behind the scenes shows and I think it's worth

1230
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 2: checking out.

1231
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll good to know. Personal recommendation.

1232
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I like it. So far, so good, and you

1233
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: get to if you don't like Michigan, you get to

1234
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: watch Michigan lose a bunch, so get.

1235
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,959
Speaker 1: To watch them lose. Yeah, all right, well, fun show,

1236
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: got to talk about some teams we don't always talk about.

1237
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone stopping by. As we said at the top

1238
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: of the show, a lot of exciting stuff to come

1239
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: here over the next days and weeks, so keep it

1240
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: tuned into the show. You can also find us out

1241
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram if you'd like more updates

1242
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: about what's going on. My final note is that I'd

1243
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: like to congratulate the winner of our pick a pool, Anthony.

1244
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: Oh who was it, gentlemen by the name of Anthony.

1245
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: I could have sworn you told me of Villanova won

1246
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: at all? I was incorrect.

1247
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 2: Wow, and you were trusted to buy a house with

1248
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: that math?

1249
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1250
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: Not good? Right? All right, Well, congratulations to mom H,

1251
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: which I'm sure it was a good showing.

1252
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: Mama H won a different basketball pool that she was

1253
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: in good or came in second. I should say glad

1254
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: to hear it. But Anthony one hours are going to

1255
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: send him a shirt. Good on you, sir for winning.

1256
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,560
Speaker 1: Long time listening to the program. We appreciate your participation

1257
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: in support over the years.

1258
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 2: This is true.

1259
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: And that's all I got, Dan, I.

1260
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 2: Think that's all I have. I'm going to Atlanta in

1261
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks now, maybe Nashville after that. All right,

1262
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: let me tell you when you have extra time, Tie,

1263
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 2: you say yes to travel. I will leave it at that.

1264
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,520
Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

1265
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: for myself, Tie Hildebrand, We'll catch you.

1266
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 2: All in a week.

1267
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: Enjoy your week, Enjoy your weekend. And in the meantime

1268
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: stay solid peace,