1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Every day. Up we click yours up the Breakfast Club. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: Y'all done. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 3: Yes, it's the world's most dangerous morning show to Breakfast Club. 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 3: Charlamagne the God DJ Envy just hilarious. Envy's not here today, 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 3: but Lauren le Rossa is and we have an amazing 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 3: guest in the building today. 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Man. You know, it's. 8 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 3: Interesting when we talk about, you know, black history, as 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 3: if it's the thing of the past, like, you know, 10 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 3: as if we don't have living legends and icons and 11 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: people who you know, actually we're there for the things 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: that we talk about. Mister Andrew Young is here. Good morning, sir. 13 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 4: Good morning. I'm really glad to be here with you. Yes, sir, 14 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 4: I'm long overdue, man, what are you telling I mean, 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 4: I need to know where you are, Yes, sir, and 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 4: I'm I'm out of the sink. A look at the 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 4: book and be honest or dine and probably you know 18 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 4: I need to read that quickly. 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: Yes. 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: John O'Brien is here as well, John Hope Ryan, Good 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 3: morning morning. Mister Andrew Young had a new documentary i'll 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 3: called The Dirty Work. It comes out on this Friday, 23 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: ten seventeen. Why was it important for you to tell 24 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: this part of your story. 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 4: Now, Well, I'm telling my story, and we see the 26 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 4: glamor of the civil rights movement, and it was very glamorous. 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 4: But for every one or two you see on television, 28 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 4: there were five hundred to one thousand of us in 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 4: the background doing the dirty work. And it's the way 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 4: I got into it. I was actually up here in 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 4: New York in nineteen fifty seven fifty eight and doctor 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: King needed somebody to move with him to Atlanta. My 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 4: wife was from Marrying, Alabama, which was a little country 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 4: town near Selma, and we saw the ms Man. It 35 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 4: was a NBC documentary on John Lewis in the Nashville 36 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 4: citing story. We just bought a house out in Queen's 37 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 4: and I was working up at the National Council of Churches. 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 4: And when the documentary came home, my wife said it's 39 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: time for us to go home. I said, we are home. 40 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 4: She said, no, this is New York. New York can 41 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 4: have will be my home. And I said, well, we 42 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 4: just bought this house and we got a good job. 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 4: She said, yeah, and I hope you'll deal with that. 44 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 4: I said, well, what are you going to do? She said, 45 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: I'm going back to my mama in Alabama, and I'm 46 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: taking my children and I said, well, what do you 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 4: want me to do? She said, I want you to 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 4: sell this house and find a job down south. And 49 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: she was the blessing in New York, though, was that 50 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 4: she got a chance to go Queen's College for eighteen 51 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 4: dollars a semester and get a master's degree. And that's 52 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 4: what supported us in those early days. But it's it 53 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 4: was the attraction of going back south that got me 54 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 4: back in the movement. And it was in that transition 55 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 4: Martin Luther King had just been stabbed and he took 56 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 4: New York. In New York, he took a month off 57 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 4: to go to India and was just coming back and 58 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: planning to move from Montgomery to Atlanta. So I ended 59 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 4: up getting pulled in to try to help him move. 60 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: And that was that was the dirty work. He needed 61 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 4: to be in a bigger city than Montgomery, and but 62 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 4: he couldn't afford to live in Atlanta except with his parents, 63 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: and so he was trying to raise funds. And that's 64 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: another story. 65 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: But no, no, that's this story. But that he never 66 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: he keeps avoiding his own He. 67 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 4: Never had he never had a million dollars a year 68 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 4: to work with the entire time we had the movement going. 69 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 4: And so I was trying to help him raise some 70 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: funds and went to my church up here, the United 71 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,119 Speaker 4: Church of Christ, and asked them. They founded a number 72 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 4: of colleges, Howard and Fisk, Talladega to Galoo, all across 73 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 4: the south, and so I said, you know, if you 74 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: would let us use some of these properties or some 75 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 4: of them, we could have a movement southwide in a 76 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 4: little of no time. And so I was sort of 77 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 4: being a bridge between him making the transition to Montgomery 78 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 4: and comeing to Atlanta. I was then moved from Atlanta 79 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 4: back to I mean from New York back to Atlanta, 80 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 4: and the first job I got, he was not there. 81 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 4: His secretary said, well once, she said, my wife's in Alabama. 82 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: She said, you can't be hanging around here loose. He said, 83 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 4: idle miners the devil's workshop, and we got a whole 84 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: lot of devils. And she said you need something to do. 85 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: I said, well, anything I can do to help, And 86 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: she gave me a great big egg crate packed with letters. 87 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 4: She put about one hundred letters in a package, tied 88 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 4: them up, and they would. There were maybe a dozen packages, 89 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 4: and so she said, if you can help doctor King 90 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 4: with his mail, Well, that's kind of dirty work, but 91 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 4: that's really if you want to get to know a company, 92 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 4: if somebody's coming in here and wants to get to 93 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 4: know it, answer to mail, or at least read a mail, 94 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 4: or know what's what's happening around. And so it gave me. 95 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 4: I mean, I ended up with the bucket of mail, 96 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 4: and that was sort of a dirty work. 97 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: So you missed a couple of pieces. First of all, 98 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: you and doctor King's wife, your wife and doctor. 99 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: My wife and Martin's wife were by coincidence, and I said, 100 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: coincidence of God's way of remaining anonymous. They were from 101 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 4: the little same country town of three thousand, Marion, Alabama. 102 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 4: But there was a good school there and actually, in 103 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 4: the nineteen forties that school turned out more black PhDs 104 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: than any school in the nation because it had a 105 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: I don't know how bad people who were studious and 106 00:06:51,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: Julian Bond's daddy got his PhD writing it on Lincoln 107 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: in school in Marion, Alabama, which is where all these 108 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 4: young people came from. And it was where the movement 109 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 4: a lot of movement. People came from there. 110 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: So Charlomagne when he also when he went to go 111 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: get the job, when he went to do it South, 112 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: the stabb didn't want them. Doctor King was out giving 113 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: speeches and on the road. The stabb didn't want them. 114 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: He was smart, he was articulated. He was like, all 115 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: the seats are taken, we all get every good. They 116 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: sent him packing, so he came back with a grant. 117 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: The grant was self funded and it was for non 118 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: violent education or something like that, but he funded his salary. 119 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: So doctor King said, you consider you paid for it. 120 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: You can sit right over here. 121 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: Well, we've been paid for it. We not only paid 122 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: for it, I brought access to all of those schools. Yes, 123 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 4: from in North Carolina King's Mountain, Georgia. It was Atlanta University, 124 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 4: Alabam Most two galu Uh Talladega, Talladega and Alabama and 125 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 4: two Glue and Mississippi. 126 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: But the key point of that in bass Young was again, 127 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: you won't take credit for this. He became the one 128 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: person nobody could fire, so he could speak truth to power. 129 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 4: Didn't anybody exactly. 130 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: Because doctor King didn't like conflict. If you let me 131 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: finish my point yes, Doctor Dean didn't like conflict, so 132 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: he was a conflict manager. So he was the one 133 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: inside the staff. You had crazy people on the left 134 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: and crazy folks sort of over here trying to do revolutions. 135 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: Doctor he didn't want conflict, so he would expecting Bashi 136 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: Young to knock his inside. That's it. And when he 137 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: came in, he wanted it to be resolved. And so 138 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: he was the resolution manager inside the movement and outside 139 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 2: the movement. Again, he doesn't take credit for it, but 140 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: that that really became one of his magic pieces was 141 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: that he was an independent thinker, just like you are. 142 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 2: Just like all you guys are independent thinkers. 143 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 4: They get that right, I guess. 144 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: You know. 145 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 4: The thing is that that the one thing you I 146 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 4: couldn't do. I couldn't move in there. I grew up 147 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 4: in New Orleans. 148 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: Uh. 149 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 4: I'd lived in the South all my life. But I 150 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 4: was up here in New York when the movement started, 151 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: So I couldn't come back down there and claim and 152 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 4: I hadn't done anything. Everybody had been beating up gone 153 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 4: to jail. Uh, and I come down with a grant. 154 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 4: Well that's no, I mean, that gives me no scoring 155 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 4: points at all, but I and I didn't need them. 156 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 4: I just wanted to be there to help because well, 157 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 4: I don't know. I left Howard and I really well, 158 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 4: I really fucked up for three and a half years. 159 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: See but I somehow got a degree. And you you 160 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 4: was fucking up because I was playing around, wasn't studying. 161 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 4: I was trying to make the swimming team, trying to 162 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 4: make the track team, even tried the wrestling team, and 163 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 4: trying to play ball, basketball in the gym. And I 164 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 4: was I went to college at fifteen, and so I 165 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 4: was trying to hit on the girls. And I wasn't 166 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: making any bragras at all. You know, a little nigga 167 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 4: from New Orleans, and I got along with people, but 168 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 4: I was trying to grow up. And when I came 169 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 4: left Howard and we stopped that you couldn't had no 170 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 4: hotels at lets you stay. We stopped at a King's Mountain, 171 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 4: North Carolina, where we had a church conference going on, 172 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 4: and I decided to run up the mountain and that 173 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 4: was where I was in good shape. But when you're 174 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 4: in the hills, you never run flat, either running downhill 175 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 4: or uphill. And I was running downhill too fast and 176 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 4: still tried to make it to the top of the mountain, 177 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 4: and somewhere along there I kind of blacked out, and 178 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 4: I looked around and everything seemed perfect. You know, it 179 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 4: was a perfect sky, perfect corn field. The green trees 180 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 4: were sparkling, and I said, damn everything. He has got 181 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 4: a purpose but me and I said, I cannot be 182 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 4: put here on this earth with no purpose at all, 183 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 4: And how do I find a purpose? Well, what I 184 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 4: came to was if there's something that I think needs 185 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 4: doing and nobody wants to do it, that becomes my purpose. 186 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: So I was looking for stuff that needed to be 187 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 4: done that nobody wanted to do. 188 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: Did that okay, Jr? Be working with him? Did that 189 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: feel like part of your purpose? 190 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 4: Well, he was the only game in town and he 191 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: had just finished, you know, the Montgomery Improvement Association. He 192 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 4: got stabbed of here in Harlem, and he was recovering 193 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 4: from He and Corretta took a trip to India to 194 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 4: study more about nonviolence. And that was sort of when 195 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: I came in and he wasn't around, so I started 196 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 4: cleaning up. But I learned that when he got to 197 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 4: be head of the Montgomery Improvement Association, he wasn't even 198 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 4: a meeting. He was back in the in the mimiograph 199 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 4: room running a Memi ray machine, turning out handbills telling 200 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 4: people that we're gonna have a one day boycott. Well 201 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 4: that one day boycott turned into three hundred and eighty 202 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 4: one days. But they went to the back room because 203 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 4: two preachers, Methodists and Baptists usually they were arguing about 204 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 4: whose turn it was to be the spokesman. And the 205 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 4: ladies in the group said, look, these brothers always fussing 206 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 4: than fighting, why don't we let this young man in 207 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: the back be the spokesman. And so they voted him 208 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 4: the spokesman. And he didn't even know it. 209 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: That's that's how he became like yeah, and he. 210 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 4: Went and they went to the back and told him 211 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 4: that he was going to chair the meeting. And he 212 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: had less than an hour. It was about seven o'clock. 213 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: The mass meeting started at eight o'clock at another church 214 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: across town, and he had to stand up and to 215 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: find this whole movement. Well, he really was brilliant, But 216 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 4: with that kind of stuff, when you run a Mimi 217 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 4: reference and all day your mind's wandering and somebody says, 218 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 4: hold up, you got twenty minutes, you got to speak, 219 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 4: and nothing you can do but go to the bathroom 220 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 4: and lock the door. 221 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: But somebody had to know he had those gifts, right 222 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: like somebody had. 223 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 4: Well they had heard him preaching in his church. But 224 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 4: it wasn't a gift like running a mass movement. And 225 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: I mean this was the first time in a long time, 226 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: well the first time, and I can remember that any 227 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 4: city got together and did an agreed that everybody would 228 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 4: stop riding the bus. Started out for one day, but 229 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 4: it was so successful that it ended up being three 230 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty one days. 231 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: That was an early uber, by the way, because it 232 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: was a black, black taxis. Everybody just decided to drive 233 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: everybody else around and not get on the bus. But 234 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: the thing he the message for your audience, Charlomagne, is 235 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: when he's running up that mountain, he was insecure. He 236 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: was lost, and he was looking for a purpose. A 237 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: lot of people are looking for a purpose, doctor, he 238 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: was looking for a purpose. He was back in the 239 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: mimeiagram machine, tried to figure out what his life was 240 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: going to be like. And he'd spend eighteen hours preparing 241 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: for a sermon. He had eighteen minutes that when his 242 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: moment came, it's that you're on and a half an hour, dude. 243 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 4: But you know, and the speeches that that speech, his 244 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 4: wife was pregnant, so she couldn't be there. She asked 245 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 4: the choir director to record it, so we have it recorded, 246 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 4: and what you see is all of the you see 247 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: references to all of the speeches he made when he 248 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: got the Nobel Peace Prize when he was at the 249 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 4: marchin on Wardington in Selma. I mean, he had a 250 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 4: repertoire and he just pulled it all together, and he 251 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: had a nice voice and a nice cadence, and he 252 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 4: knew how to move across. So he put all of 253 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 4: the stuff together and preached his way to the top. 254 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: It's such an interesting perspective when you talk about, you know, 255 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: purpose to John, because in my mind, you know, I 256 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: always thought the purpose was the liberation of black people. 257 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: But you're always just looking for something a purpose within yourself. 258 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: Well, except you've got to start liberating black people by 259 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 4: liberating the one you are. And I'm not liberated. I'm 260 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 4: I'm I'm enslaved. All of the crap that that goes 261 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 4: on on every college campus and and in every neighborhood. 262 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: And uh so let's let's let's get some into some 263 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: real talk. He's got survivor's guilt. He doesn't sleep, he's 264 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: always working because he was on that balcony when Doctor 265 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: King was assassinated, and and uh he was right. 266 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 4: There before that. Though we're all born into a mess. 267 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 4: I mean I was born into a neighborhood, well, my 268 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 4: brother with only black kids. There were three four black families. 269 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 4: But you had an Irish grocery store on one corner, 270 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 4: an Italian bar on the next. The Nazi party was 271 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 4: on the third corner. And I'm smack dad in the middle, 272 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 4: fifty yards from each one of them. And at four years. 273 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 2: Old, that's you. Yeah, that's you. 274 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: I gotta be your ful. 275 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: I don't know, Governor call turn it off for you. 276 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 4: I don't know. 277 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: So so when he when Doctor King was assassinated, the 278 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: FBI told him the instructions for the shooter. If you missed, 279 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: the dreamer killed the strategist. 280 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 281 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: So he's been this all this time. You an ambassador, 282 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: first black un ambassador of history the United States at 283 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: the Carter, first congressman since reconstruction in the South brought 284 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: the Atlantic, the Olympics to the Atlanta made Atlanta International City, 285 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: President of Medlaler freedma Wardi French foreor Legion of Wardie 286 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty hoary doctor degrees, brought a venture 287 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: Capital of Africa, liberated Zimbabwe, helped get Mandela out of prison. 288 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: But underneath all this is I'm here because my friend 289 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: was a shot, so he couldn't enjoy any of it. 290 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 2: He give all his money away. He's been a servant 291 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: his whole life, and he is He's the closest thing 292 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: we have to Nelson Mandela. 293 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 4: But he had to stay in jail for three to 294 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 4: thirty thirty years. Yes, I have, and that was one 295 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 4: of the things I was guilty about. Everybody else has 296 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 4: been been to jail, and. 297 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: They called him and uncle Tom, and the staff called 298 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: him uncle Tom. 299 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 4: Because I was managing the foundation money, I couldn't. I 300 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 4: wasn't supposed to go to jail, and so until I 301 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 4: got set up in Saint Augustine, well really even in Savannah, 302 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 4: and I ended up first time getting arrested because I 303 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 4: was walking to try to get Hose Williams out of jail, 304 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 4: and there were kids playing picketty in front of the 305 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 4: holiday inn. I mean they were twelve years old and 306 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 4: the police come up there to arrest them, and I 307 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 4: went on and I said, look, these kids are not 308 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 4: part of anybody's movement. We wouldn't put people out here 309 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: like this with no adults. I said, if you arrest 310 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 4: these kids, you ask them for trouble. And they grabbed 311 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 4: me and threw me in the paddywagon. But I was 312 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 4: glad I went because they immediately shut the thing down 313 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 4: and you got a little slit Inland. It was at 314 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: least close to one hundred degrees in Savannah, and they 315 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 4: closed the air off and I got, you know, fifteen 316 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 4: twenty kids in there, and they expected us to start, 317 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 4: you know, crying and screaming because we were. We were 318 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 4: really closed in and hot. And that's where I go in. 319 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 4: The Sunday School helped me and I said, look y'all, 320 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 4: y'all know how to sing. Wade in the water. We 321 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 4: go into the beach, close eyes see, and I said, 322 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 4: and I said, we're going down to Tybee Beach. And 323 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 4: when you get to the beach, the water's cold and 324 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 4: we're gonna get and the song goes the chills the body, 325 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 4: but not the soul. And so we started then walking 326 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 4: the like they were in their mind, walking into the water. 327 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 4: I said, we are not going to pash waist deep. 328 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 4: Then everybody's gonna get down and we're gonna cool off. 329 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 4: And so when we kind of figure out how to 330 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: stay in the oven and i'd burn, I said, let's 331 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 4: we're gonna sing, and they started singing, wade in the water. 332 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 4: God's going to trouble the water. See, and we turned 333 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 4: tragedy into a triumph. The police got mad and took 334 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 4: everybody to jail, and I had to go with him. 335 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: But then when we got to jail, it was dinner 336 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 4: time and they gave everybody a paper plate and they 337 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 4: put up grits and Greece. That's what they served them. 338 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 4: And the kids said, we don't eat this ship, and 339 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 4: they started sailing the plates across the jail. And I mean, 340 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 4: it was it was a while time. But there again, 341 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 4: that's I accidentally got into that. When you when you 342 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 4: but that was the dirty work. 343 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: When you look back, was there a moment when you 344 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 3: realize the moral weight of what you were doing could 345 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: also cost you personally. 346 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 4: I think I never worried about that, and I never 347 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 4: worried about that because I never been I mean the 348 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: school I went to in the elementary school, Belina C. 349 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 4: Jones was an all black public school, overcrowded, and I 350 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 4: could have gotten killed that in school, I mean it 351 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 4: was it was called a bucket of blood. But I 352 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 4: got along. And then between that in my schooling and 353 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: then I went to a church nursery and they taught 354 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 4: me to read and write. So when they put me 355 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 4: in public school, I was six years old, but they 356 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 4: put me in third grade and everybody else was nine ten, 357 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 4: and so I've always had a burden which I learned 358 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 4: to deal with and not you know, but I was 359 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 4: always playing ketchup? 360 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: Why did the staff call you that supposedly unpleasant phrase, 361 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: which actually, when you're doing a little research on Uncle Tom, 362 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: he was a bad brother. Actually he actually he actually 363 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: took slaves up north to Canada. He bought a home, 364 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: bought some property in Canada and actually housed them and 365 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: created self sustainability. Other folks turned the story in doing 366 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: something negative. But why do they call you some of 367 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 2: the staff uncle Tom? 368 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 4: Because my daddy taught me to live in that neighborhood 369 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 4: and to go to that school. I had to stay calm. 370 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 4: And my dadd is macho. He was a little man 371 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 4: five to four, and he said, look, you're never gonna 372 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 4: be big enough to beat up anybody, so stay calm 373 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 4: and let your mind lead you. Your mind is fat 374 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 4: is more powerful than your fist or your feet. You 375 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 4: can run from trouble, but you won't feel good about running. 376 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: And you can fight, but you're probably gonna get beat 377 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 4: But if you let your mind work, you can figure 378 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 4: out how to get through any trouble. But don't ever 379 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 4: get mad. Get smart. See and I heard that from four. 380 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 4: In fact, he took me to the movie, a segregated movie, 381 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 4: to see Jesse Owens in the nineteen thirty six Olympics, 382 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: because when Jesse Owens won one hundred meter dash, Hitler 383 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 4: got mad and he was supposed to give Jesse Owens 384 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 4: the medal, but he walked out of the stadium and 385 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 4: took all of his troops with him. My daddy said, 386 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 4: and I watched jessid what's he doing. I said, He's 387 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 4: going about his business. He said, that's the point. He's 388 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 4: not letting Hitler at him upset. He got three more 389 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 4: medals to win and he ended up coming out with 390 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 4: four gold medals and a world a couple of world records, 391 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 4: and so it was it was that preparation that that 392 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 4: made me ready to do whatever I had to do. 393 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: So they didn't understand his role. Doctor King never wanted 394 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 2: him arrested. Doctor King, he needed him on the outside. 395 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: He didn't want it was he was not useful getting 396 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: locked up like other people. He needed it was. It 397 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: was a different frequency. And he's not saying it, but 398 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 2: he was a strategist. 399 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, I think that's the interesting thing about 400 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: the doc right, like it shows you that the civil 401 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 3: rights movement wasn't just about marching, and you said this, 402 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 3: it was about strategy. So what other dirty work had 403 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: to be done quietly for the in private, for the 404 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: public victory to be probable. 405 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 4: Well, you know they bombed. They bombed sixty two homes 406 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 4: in Birmingham in nineteen sixty one sixty two, and Fred 407 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 4: Shuttlesworth came over there to see us and said, look, 408 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 4: we cannot be passively don violent. We got to find 409 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 4: a way to be more aggressive and we need you 410 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 4: to come over and help us. So we agreed before 411 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 4: Christmas that we would in January we would come over 412 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 4: to Birmingham and start a movement. And Doctor King turned 413 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 4: to me and said, Andy, do you know any white 414 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: folks in Birmingham. I said, I don't know any black 415 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 4: folks in Birmingham. I ain't been to Birmingham. And he said, no, well, 416 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 4: you got six weeks to get to know some. I 417 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 4: said why. He said, Look, if we're going to go 418 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 4: there and tab the people's town, somebody has to go 419 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 4: in early and tell them we're going to do it. 420 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 4: I said, then they're gonna kill me. I didn't say that. 421 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 4: I said, well why me? He said, because you grew 422 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 4: up with white folks. You ain't worried about white folks. 423 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 4: You get along with as good you get along with people. 424 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 4: And so I ended up by myself said going into Birmingham. 425 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 4: And I had met some people in Michigan at a 426 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 4: conference from Birmingham. So I called the Episcopal Church and 427 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 4: then one of the people I met answered the phone 428 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 4: and I said, I need you to help set me 429 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: set up a meeting with Doctor King and the Episcopal Bishop. 430 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 4: And she said, well, I can't do that. She said, 431 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 4: I don't know Doctor King, and he's got to He said, 432 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 4: I tell you what she said, you come here and 433 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 4: I'll get you to see the bishop. So then I 434 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 4: had to go see the bishop and explain to him 435 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 4: that we're about to move fifty more black folks into 436 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: your already ninety thousand people, and we intend to tear 437 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 4: up your town. We intend to boycott. We're not going 438 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 4: to buy anything but food and medicine, you know. And 439 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 4: but we want to find a way to sit down 440 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 4: with you and draw up a map where we can 441 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 4: peacefully live together and you can respect us and we 442 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 4: can respect you and everybody can get along. Well, I mean, 443 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 4: he's looking at me like I'm crazy, because he ain't 444 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 4: used to black folk talking straight to him like that. 445 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 4: But I mean that was no problem for me. And 446 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 4: so we set up a series of meetings and all 447 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 4: the stuff that they're talking about at Harvard. Now, what 448 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: is it, DEEI yeah, that came from Birmingham because at 449 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 4: the same time White Walker, who was pastor up here 450 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 4: for a while, he's gone to Glory. He was meeting 451 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 4: with the Fred Shuttlesworth and the Black preachers and they 452 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 4: wrote a Birmingham manifesto all the things that were wrong 453 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 4: with Birmingham. And I was meeting with the white folks, 454 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 4: and they were writing all the things they could do 455 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 4: to change that. You had to sit down and put 456 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 4: it to them bluntly, say, look, you got black water 457 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 4: and whitewater. Now you know that's not real. There's no 458 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 4: difference between the water. Why you got to put a 459 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 4: sign on it saying this one was for black folk 460 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 4: and that one was for white folks. It's all water. 461 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 4: Take the signs down. See if you don't take the 462 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 4: signs down. And then you got these black women, and 463 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 4: you got them in aprons and smocks, and you let 464 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 4: the white women dress up with the clothes they're selling, 465 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 4: and they get a commission, but the black folks have 466 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 4: to do all the work keeping the shop clean and 467 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: keeping the clothes. Said, why not just let everybody wear 468 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 4: their dresses on the rack and let everybody get a commission. 469 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 4: And they said, well, we could, but then they'd have 470 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 4: a thousand reasons why they couldn't do it. But we 471 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 4: had ninety thousand black folks in Birmingham. And when ninety 472 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 4: thousand black folks decided that they were going to stop 473 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 4: spending money on anything but food and medicine, they bought 474 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 4: no shoes. No, I mean that's where the blue jeans 475 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 4: came from. Everybody had raggedy blue jeans, and so nobody 476 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 4: bought any clothes. And that's when the college students who 477 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 4: had come down with us from all over the country, 478 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 4: they went back and started wearing blue jeans. Well, that 479 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 4: came out of Birmingham. The stuff that the preachers and 480 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 4: workers wrote down in the Birmingham Manifesto, the things they wanted, 481 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 4: and the things that the white folk wrote down about 482 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 4: what they could do to answer this, all of that 483 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 4: became public. But they blamed it on Martin Luther King. 484 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 4: And he was in jail, so he wrote the letter 485 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 4: from the Birmingham jail, and he didn't have any paper, 486 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 4: so he wrote it around the march. Somebody had left him. Well, 487 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 4: lawyer up here from New York left him a section 488 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 4: of New York Times, and he wrote the letter from 489 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 4: the Birmingham jail around the margins of the newspaper. When 490 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 4: he ran out of newspaper space, he wrote on toilet paper, 491 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 4: and he used to joke and said, is a good 492 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 4: thing they had tough toilet paper in the Birmingham jail. 493 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: But he smuggled it out through you. 494 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 4: But he smuggled it out and we got it. We 495 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 4: got all of these published and and that was the 496 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 4: dirty work behind the movement. 497 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: And I need you to do me a favor. You're 498 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: talking to a whole generation. This is the voice for 499 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 2: this generation. Your your habit is to talk about this 500 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: person and that person and give this person credit. Wait. Look, 501 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: they need you to tell your story crisply and bluntly 502 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 2: so they can get the memo on how they need. 503 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 2: This generation has no business plan about what you did. 504 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: What you did was absolutely historic. This is no time 505 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: to be humble. There's no time of humble pie like, 506 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 2: I'll do it. I'll set you up, but you got 507 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: to hit it out the park. There's some stories I know, 508 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: I know these stories. 509 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: We want them to watch the dirty work too. 510 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: Yep. 511 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, But like the work that you do with the 512 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 5: boycott and everybody plays a role in the movement is 513 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 5: what I've always heard and learned. I feel like today 514 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 5: when we talk about the boycotts, that that we're trying 515 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 5: to do actively. There's no real roles. We don't take 516 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 5: one thing serious, we might take the other one serious 517 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 5: because there's no there's no structure, there's no how did 518 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 5: you get people to fall along, even though not everybody 519 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 5: a growth. 520 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 4: With everybody used to go to church back then, and 521 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 4: radio black radio wouldn't let it, wouldn't wouldn't say anything 522 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 4: about Black radio was owned by white folks, and they 523 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 4: would play the music, but we'd have to slip in unannouncement, 524 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 4: there's going to be a certain meeting that you know, 525 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 4: such and such a Baptist church, or such and such 526 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 4: a Methodist church. And they finally even stopped them from 527 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 4: from doing announcements. So it went by word of mouth. 528 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 4: We knew that every night we'd have a mass meeting 529 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 4: at some church in some neighborhood and people would get 530 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 4: together about five o'clock and nothing to do, and they 531 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 4: sing these old songs that the young folk then came 532 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 4: in and modified the freedom songs. And then the preachers 533 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 4: would come in and preach a little bit and tell 534 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 4: what's going on. But it was all around the church, 535 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 4: and in the daytime when the churches were not operating, 536 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 4: the kids went to the schools, and the guys who 537 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 4: were hanging out at the pool hall, we'd stop by there. 538 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 4: In fact, Doctor King was very good pool played. Grew 539 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 4: up in the YMCA and he could get everybody's attention 540 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 4: because he would go into a pool hall and challenge 541 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 4: the guys that can I take the winner, And after 542 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 4: they saw he was he could run the table. They 543 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 4: listened to him. And it it was finding a way 544 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 4: to get to people where they are. And it didn't 545 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 4: matter what they looked like, it didn't matter what the 546 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 4: clothes were, it didn't matter anything except that I'm ready. Well, 547 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 4: they would really say, I'm ready to die for my people. 548 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 4: And it was the threat of death to almost every 549 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 4: black man in the South until just recently. And it's 550 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:50,919 Speaker 4: coming back now. It's more organized now. But we had 551 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 4: to mobilize the entire community. But in mobilizing the entire 552 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 4: community of Birmingham, that's ninety thousand black folks. We brought 553 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 4: people from Atlanta. I came from New Orleans, some others 554 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 4: came down from members, some came from New York. The 555 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 4: hospital Workers eleven ninety nine was here in New York. 556 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 4: They would come down and they would work with the 557 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 4: hospital workers and we found a way to mobilize the 558 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 4: whole city to one stop buying anything but food and medicine. 559 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 4: And you do that for six weeks and then six 560 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 4: months and the economy drives up and closed people have 561 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 4: to start closing stores. Then we finally ended up with 562 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 4: eighty businessmen, people who owned the hotels, people who owned 563 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 4: the drug stores, the shopping centers, sitting down with us, 564 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 4: and they got these two complaints together and agreed on 565 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 4: the fact that they could change. But they didn't say, 566 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 4: we're automatically gonna change everything today. We said, let's try it. Okay, 567 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 4: we're gonna take down the signs immediately, live on black 568 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 4: and white water. Everybody's gonna drink water, and okay, that's 569 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 4: a good sign. We're gonna let the ladies and in 570 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 4: the women's department, we're gonna let them take all those smocks, 571 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 4: uh and aprons, and we're gonna let them put on 572 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 4: the clothes that they sell it see, and they can 573 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 4: get a commission too, and we're gonna treat them fairly. 574 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 4: And we took apart the town piece by piece, and 575 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 4: everything that was not fair. We said, from now on, 576 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 4: let's make it fair. And people began to realize that 577 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 4: when ninety thousand people haven't been shopping and all of 578 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 4: a sudden they start showing up like you go to 579 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 4: Atlanta now, and all of these stores now, the same 580 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 4: thing happened there. We didn't have to organize it like 581 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 4: they did in Birmingham. But the brothers who start making 582 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 4: off right now, the rappers run the department store because 583 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 4: they can come in with their girlfriends and they spend 584 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 4: money by one thousands of dollars. 585 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 2: But they answer your question, there were rules just like 586 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 2: you have here. He's been humbled again. It was strategy, 587 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 2: by the way, it wasn't. We got the business people 588 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 2: to take down to whites. Only science. 589 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 4: He did. 590 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 2: Doctor King would set would shut the economy down. In 591 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: six weeks, they marched. They knew this. Six six percent 592 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 2: of the residents were black. The dollar was the same dollar. 593 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 2: So after six weeks, the merchants were the walls were 594 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 2: on fire. Then Doctor King was s Andy Young and 595 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 2: that's young Andy. He called him Andy, going there quietly, 596 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 2: take it, take it, take your overalls. I'll put your 597 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 2: business suit on, go behind closed doors, cut a deck, 598 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 2: cut a deal. Don't embarrass them, don't humiliate them. We 599 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 2: want them to win. 600 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 4: To It was a little bigger than that. 601 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: Well okay, yeah, but we had to do it. 602 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 4: We had to get. 603 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 2: Acknowledging it trying to get the blunt truth out. 604 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 4: Well, if I take credit for it, i'd be then. 605 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 2: Well you're not yeah, but you're a love yeah, but 606 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: you're alive now yeah. 607 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: But by the way, clearly they do it because they 608 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: told him that. 609 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 4: You can't. 610 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 2: Strategist. But there was there was rules, there were there 611 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 2: were the roles. Everybody had a role. He had a roll, 612 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 2: Doctor King had a roll. The crazy people had a 613 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 2: role in the movement, but the women had a roll, 614 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 2: the kids had a roll. 615 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 4: But the dirty work is getting everybody to realize their world. 616 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 2: That's right. 617 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 4: And you get the kids and you let them know 618 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 4: that they can pass out handbills. And if they happened 619 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 4: to see somebody shopping that they think that they shouldn't 620 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 4: be shopping, just go and politely hand them a handbill. 621 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 4: Don't throw it at them, say I just put it 622 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 4: on the windshield of their car. But they know that 623 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 4: the community is watching. But it's it really was classic 624 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 4: to do it in Birmingham when ninety thousand folk. We 625 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 4: had trouble when we got to Chicago on New York 626 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 4: and you got millions of folk and so that's where 627 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 4: we stumbled. And that's when doctor King. I mean when 628 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 4: we were going coming north and threatening to shut down. 629 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 4: I mean, Chicago has got more black folk. Then they 630 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 4: got folk at Alabama and and and half of Mississippi 631 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 4: and Chicago, and Alabama's gone to Chicago. So we didn't 632 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 4: have any problem doing the same things with them that 633 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 4: we did with the parents in back home. Mhm. But 634 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 4: it was on such a larger scale and and these 635 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 4: it is just getting around is different. 636 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: How do I want to this question for both of y'all? 637 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 3: How do we teach young people now that the real 638 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 3: revolution isn't in just outrage, especially the social media outrage, 639 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 3: but it's an actual organizer. 640 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 4: Well, that's short. My dadd had started telling me when 641 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 4: I was four, don't get mad, get smart. See when 642 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,479 Speaker 4: you lose your temper inter fight, you lose the fight. 643 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 4: And every time he was he liked he was a 644 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 4: boxing fan. And when who at the Sonny liston was 645 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 4: supposed to be fighting Muhammad Ali and Sonny listening with 646 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 4: a bear of a man, and my daddy said, watch 647 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 4: Muhammad a leave, he'll probably knock him out in two rounds. 648 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 4: I said, oh, Daddy, you don't know what you're talking about. 649 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,479 Speaker 4: He said, that man I said that man, I said, 650 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 4: he is a bear. And I said, Muhammed is I 651 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 4: mean he's so thin, he's light one or two punches 652 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 4: and he's gonna go down. He said no. He said, watch, 653 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 4: Mohammed is not going to lose his temper, and Muhammad 654 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 4: isn't gonna be cool, and he'll take him a couple 655 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 4: of rounds of playing with him, and then Sonny Listening 656 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 4: is out of there. Well, I said, well, he said, 657 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 4: don't forget. Same thing applies to you. If you're gonna 658 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 4: get in a fight, don't get mad, get smart. He said, 659 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 4: Sonny Listing has gotten mad, said, and you're gonna get 660 00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 4: his ass whipped. 661 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 2: Didn't your dad slap you? 662 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 4: And this is well, that's I mean, we used to. 663 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 4: It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't slapping. It was it 664 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 4: was he he always wanted a shadow box and he 665 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 4: tapped me on the face like that if I was 666 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 4: going the wrong way. Uh. But if I got lost 667 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 4: my temper and started swinging, then he knocked the hell out. 668 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 4: Let me say again, you lose your temper, you're gonna 669 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 4: lose your head. 670 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 5: That's because I always wondered, like, how did yogs so 671 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 5: for you, right, you're the strategy brings. You can't lose 672 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 5: your temper. But like there were times I went to 673 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 5: a museum in Memphis at the Lorraine Motel when I 674 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 5: was there last, and they were talking to me about 675 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 5: when Martin Luther King was in. I believe it was 676 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 5: rallying and the KKK was marching because he was in 677 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 5: the city. And times like that would happened all the 678 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 5: time when people there was death threats. There were so 679 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 5: many things coming you, guys way, I'm sure you had 680 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 5: to have sometimes face to face conversations to clear the 681 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 5: way before he got certain places. And you still stay 682 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 5: strategy and brainstrong. 683 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 4: The truth is we didn't that everybody knew. In fact, 684 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 4: the only person who would talk about it openly was 685 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 4: Martin Luther King, and he said, now you know, if 686 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 4: we go messing with Birmingham, some of us ain't gonna 687 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 4: come back. Now he knew he was the one most 688 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 4: likely targeted, but he'd start, I mean, he'd make a 689 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 4: joke out of it, and he had a real good 690 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:41,879 Speaker 4: sense of humor. He said, John, it might be your turn, 691 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 4: but it's gonna be one of the hardest things I 692 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 4: ever do. But I'll try my best to preach your 693 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 4: ass into heaven. And then he'd start preaching all the 694 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 4: things that I pick on him about. 695 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 2: See what are you pointing on me? 696 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 4: Because the illustration I'm saying that that's the way he 697 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,280 Speaker 4: did all of us. He would know and he would 698 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 4: say things you didn't know. He knew about you, and 699 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 4: he'd ask God to forgive you and please let him 700 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,760 Speaker 4: into heaven. You know, I mean, really, he really turned 701 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 4: your death into a comedy, and it was it was. 702 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 3: It was a sadistic but the fact that people knew 703 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 3: that they could potentially die and still were willing to 704 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 3: make that sacrifice is what I think is missing now also. 705 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 4: But they shouldn't have to. You shouldn't be willing to 706 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 4: make the sacrifice. You should be willing to take your 707 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 4: time and assume that you can make the world right 708 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 4: and you don't have to die. And we we we 709 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 4: maybe have made it too difficult. Most of the people 710 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:11,320 Speaker 4: who died, we can remember the names, but they're literally millions. 711 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 4: Like Martin Luther King got stabbed by black woman up 712 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 4: here in Harlem, and that with a letter opener, and 713 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 4: the let opener was pressing on the order of his heart, 714 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,879 Speaker 4: and they said if he had sneezed, he probably would 715 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,879 Speaker 4: have died. And he talked about that all the time. 716 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 4: But what he talked about, he said, but he got 717 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 4: a letter, and this is why I'm writing the letters. 718 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 4: Answering the letters was important. He said, I remember getting 719 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 4: this letter and this girl said, I'm eleven years old 720 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 4: and it shouldn't matter, but I happened to be white, 721 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,280 Speaker 4: and I just want to thank you and thank god 722 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 4: that you did not snee And he would talk. He 723 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 4: talked about that all the time because it represented a 724 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 4: fact that there's still many, many good people. And you 725 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 4: shouldn't believe that the whole world is going to hell 726 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 4: in a hand basket. See that right now, even right now, 727 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 4: in right now, the whole world is not going to 728 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 4: hell in a hand basket. I think there's Friday or 729 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 4: something that's supposed to be marches in twenty eight cities Saturday, Saturday. 730 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,359 Speaker 1: That's a protesting at the voter. 731 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 2: I think, no, no, it's they're calling it the no 732 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 2: King rally. 733 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: King Rally. 734 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, but we didn't have anything to do with that. 735 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 4: But it's it's you mean, we mean black people, black people, 736 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 4: but we'll join but that's mostly white people see and like, 737 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 4: was it the start? 738 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 2: Why are you thinking about that? Let's let's answer her question. Though, yes, 739 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 2: there there was level headedness and he was it. He 740 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 2: would go. 741 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 4: There were a whole lot of smart black folks. 742 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 2: That's young. With all due respect you're being We can 743 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 2: either have an interview or a master class. Okay, now 744 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 2: they want it either way because they're not getting these stories. 745 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 2: But the master class. But the master Jackie Robinson can 746 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 2: tell his own story yours. 747 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,720 Speaker 4: But we're telling were tell him the story of people 748 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 4: who were heroes in a crisis and who were cool 749 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 4: and didn't get mad, they got smart. 750 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 2: But they got you here in person. They can go 751 00:48:47,960 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 2: read about Jesse about okays for you too. So so 752 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 2: let me give you one example and bastly young. So 753 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,919 Speaker 2: doctor he had actually a ferocious sense of humor, but 754 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 2: he couldn't He didn't want to be like that because 755 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 2: he didn't think people were going to take him seriously. 756 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,759 Speaker 2: So he he was like boxed in. But he had 757 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 2: this important role. He needed him to play a role. 758 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 2: And the one time he didn't play his role, Doctor 759 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,319 Speaker 2: King got upset with him. The one time it was 760 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 2: only one. 761 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,399 Speaker 1: Time all the time, he didn't play a role. 762 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 4: Well when when Meredith got shot on the road walking 763 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:44,399 Speaker 4: to Mississippi, first place, he shouldn't have been walking down 764 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:50,920 Speaker 4: a highway by himself and making this point without getting everybody, 765 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 4: wanting people looking and getting somebody to help him. But anyway, 766 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,720 Speaker 4: we had a rule, if somebody gets killed hurt doing 767 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 4: something that's right for the benefit of all of us, 768 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 4: if they go down, we have to go take their place. 769 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:16,880 Speaker 4: And we were already in Chicago. We were registering voters 770 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 4: in Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia, and we didn't need to 771 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 4: have another march to show we were brave. But everybody 772 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,759 Speaker 4: was mad because Marylyith got shot, and so they said, 773 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,640 Speaker 4: let's go, let's go. We got to keep it going. Well, 774 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 4: I saw that they were leaving all of the stuff 775 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 4: we've been working on for months behind and they would 776 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,359 Speaker 4: all suffer. But I got tired of playing Uncle Tom role. 777 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 4: I said, okay, let's go, and doctor King said, Andy, 778 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 4: hold up, I got to go to John meet me 779 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,319 Speaker 4: in my office, and he came in and he said, look, 780 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,879 Speaker 4: if you're not gonna talk sense and help balance it 781 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 4: on the right side, I don't need you he said, 782 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,920 Speaker 4: I don't need another crazy negro. We got plenty. Everybody 783 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 4: can get emotional, somebody's got to stay calm. And I said, 784 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 4: but I get tired of playing that Uncle Tom Row. 785 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 4: He said, yeah, but you've been doing it all your 786 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 4: life and you ain't gonna quit now. 787 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,880 Speaker 3: Theyll being calm and level headed and using strategy of 788 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 3: being an Uncle. 789 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:40,480 Speaker 4: Tom, because when everybody's mad and you calm, then they 790 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 4: think something's wrong with you. 791 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 2: They thought the most they thought that a man thought 792 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 2: that the most courageous, manny thing he can do was 793 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 2: to go to jail. Going to prison, getting your rear 794 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 2: end whip was a badge of honor. By the way, 795 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 2: strategically they put women and children on those marches. They 796 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 2: didn't want Charlemagne or me or they didn't want because 797 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,680 Speaker 2: that was aggression against aggression. You wanted to get the 798 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,960 Speaker 2: sympathy from the TV cameras and the meet so they 799 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 2: put women in children. That was strategic. 800 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,920 Speaker 4: Well the men wouldn't come. 801 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's all okay, all right, whatever it was, 802 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 2: it worked out. But the point is the point is 803 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 2: that that he was playing a very important role. Like 804 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 2: if you look at the pictures in the civil rights movement, 805 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 2: Doctor King Andrew Young. Andrew is never looking at the camera. 806 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 2: He's looking here. He's looking here, He's looking here, he's 807 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 2: looking for he's looking for threats to his friends. He's 808 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 2: not trying to become doctor King. You guys, when you're interviewing, 809 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,399 Speaker 2: you're not trying to be the guests. You're not trying 810 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,600 Speaker 2: to be the star. That's you're You're so good at it. 811 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,840 Speaker 2: You're playing your role and you do it brilliantly. And 812 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,280 Speaker 2: as a result of that, you became stars by focusing 813 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,399 Speaker 2: on the star and basket Young wanted Andrew doctor King 814 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,919 Speaker 2: to be successful, and he deferred himself. He again, I'm 815 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 2: basically the only person that lets him that he lets 816 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 2: push him like this and just but he knows I'm 817 00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 2: just trying to pull it out of him so that 818 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,560 Speaker 2: people can benefit. He's very uncomfortable talking about himself. But 819 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 2: this is so important to understand the dirty work, the 820 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 2: stuff behind the scenes, the little things. It's everything. And 821 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 2: so this role he played of being calm and cool 822 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 2: and chill and stepping over mess and not in it. 823 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,520 Speaker 4: That's the way I was born. 824 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 3: It's a certain temperament like I don't even know if 825 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,759 Speaker 3: you can learn that, like, that's why. But you can 826 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,359 Speaker 3: learn it, I think, well, can you unlearn it? 827 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 4: I mean I learned it. Every man learns it with 828 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 4: his wife. I mean, your wife can cuss you, and 829 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,799 Speaker 4: I mean talk about you like a dog, and my 830 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:53,360 Speaker 4: wife does regularly nowstic so she but she was a 831 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 4: school teacher for thirty years, and she doe and she said, 832 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,400 Speaker 4: I've been dealing with you bad boys all my life 833 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,880 Speaker 4: and I ain't gonna let you get away with nothing 834 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 4: but okay. But I've been married twice and both of 835 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 4: them were school teachers, and both of them knew how 836 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,239 Speaker 4: to that. Well, one I knew how not to get 837 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,240 Speaker 4: get riled up with. I don't believe I've ever lost 838 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:24,040 Speaker 4: my temper with my wife, either one one for forty 839 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,800 Speaker 4: years and another one for thirty years. 840 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 2: He taught He taught me you can either be married 841 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 2: or he can be right. Those are two different things. 842 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the doc, you said, after Martin Luther King 843 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 3: Junior got shot, you knew there was no hope. 844 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,200 Speaker 4: What did you know? I don't think I said that. 845 00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,920 Speaker 4: I knew that it was gonna be hard, but I really, 846 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 4: you know, my mama used to make me go to 847 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,399 Speaker 4: Sunday school. And they one time they were talking about 848 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,239 Speaker 4: Elisha going to heaven and a flaming chariot. And I 849 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,919 Speaker 4: was about nine years old, and I said, I don't 850 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,640 Speaker 4: believe that they put me out of Center school, but 851 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,600 Speaker 4: I never forgot that. And that's what I thought when 852 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 4: I saw Martin laying there one I said, he probably 853 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,720 Speaker 4: didn't even hear that shot. The bullet Pollers travels faster 854 00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,400 Speaker 4: than the speed of sound, so it hit him right 855 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,800 Speaker 4: in his and severed his spinal cord. So he probably 856 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 4: never heard it, and he probably never felt any pain, 857 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 4: and he was dead instantly. And the thing that occurred 858 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,920 Speaker 4: to me then was, damn, my brother done gone to 859 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,799 Speaker 4: have them in a flaming chariot. And see, he used 860 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 4: to keep wanting to go back to Memphis. Well, Memphis 861 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,719 Speaker 4: is right next to the river, Mississippi River, and Missisivy 862 00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:01,360 Speaker 4: River runs through and all our spirituals, you know, my 863 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 4: home is over Jordan. Well, Jordan is the Mississippi for 864 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 4: us down south, and and it and all of the 865 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:15,360 Speaker 4: all of the spirituals talk about, you know, steal away, 866 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:20,000 Speaker 4: steal away to Jesus uh. And I just felt that 867 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:28,320 Speaker 4: he'd gone home to the Lord and and and left 868 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:35,439 Speaker 4: me here. But I knew, and I still know that 869 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 4: there's hardly a day that I don't talk about him 870 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,480 Speaker 4: and learn or remember something that he said, uh in 871 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,760 Speaker 4: a similar situation. And I passed that on to my children, 872 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 4: but to all children. And it's one of the reasons 873 00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:00,319 Speaker 4: why I'm really grateful to those folk, and Johnny, one 874 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,480 Speaker 4: of them that put together money to tell this story, 875 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,200 Speaker 4: because I don't believe it has ever been. I don't 876 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 4: believe anybody, black, white, rich or poor Ha's ever had 877 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 4: ninety minutes of TV time telling their story. And these 878 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:27,920 Speaker 4: folks came in brother from England. They backed three eighteen 879 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:34,480 Speaker 4: wheelers up into my my my driveway and unloaded the 880 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:39,920 Speaker 4: equipment and they set me down and I talked for 881 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 4: three days, eight hours a day. They came back a 882 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,880 Speaker 4: month or so later with another three days, eight hours 883 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,400 Speaker 4: a day, and I think we did that. We did 884 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,680 Speaker 4: that three or four times. 885 00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 2: He's watch. 886 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 4: And they had read everything ever written by me, and 887 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,280 Speaker 4: this this brother sat down there and he he asked 888 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 4: me questions. I said, where did you get that from? 889 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,400 Speaker 4: And he tell me where it came from? And he 890 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:25,800 Speaker 4: made me remember, and so I saw this as having 891 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,560 Speaker 4: a chance to tell a story that And I don't 892 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 4: care how much we don't read like we used to, 893 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,560 Speaker 4: if we ever did, But all the books that were 894 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 4: written by the movement are big thig books, and and 895 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,720 Speaker 4: we don't read, we don't keep still that long. So 896 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,320 Speaker 4: the mass media, radio and television is still our means 897 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:55,400 Speaker 4: of communication. And it's why you play such an important 898 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,840 Speaker 4: part in our community and why I had I mean, 899 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,280 Speaker 4: I was in a meet and last night till ten o'clock, 900 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,160 Speaker 4: went home, got me a few hours sleep, got up 901 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,600 Speaker 4: at four o'clock in the morning, got on a plane, 902 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 4: and came up back here because I wasn't coming to 903 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 4: talk to you all. You talk to more people than 904 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,280 Speaker 4: anybody I know. And when John said he's going to 905 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 4: let you talk to his people, I said, thank you Jesus. No, 906 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,960 Speaker 4: it's a privilege me. Well, it's a but it's a 907 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 4: privilege for me because I well, like I was mare 908 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:47,040 Speaker 4: for eight years and we took Atlanta from half a 909 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,680 Speaker 4: million people to five million, and we got the world's 910 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 4: business airport, and it's I went up to the airport 911 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,600 Speaker 4: is the world's business airport, and they used to complain 912 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,400 Speaker 4: that they didn't have enough women in the decision making. 913 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,040 Speaker 4: And I go into the board meeting and there's twelve 914 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:17,200 Speaker 4: people in there, and nine of them women Black women, well, 915 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:22,360 Speaker 4: eight black women, one white woman. And that's that airport 916 01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:31,160 Speaker 4: house one hundred and fourteen million people a year. See, 917 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 4: and black women are running it, and they we have 918 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:43,640 Speaker 4: worked that out and we're trying to expand it and 919 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:51,520 Speaker 4: keep it growing. But we voted, and we get out 920 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,240 Speaker 4: and vote. I got elected because and it poured down Raine. 921 01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:56,760 Speaker 2: It was like. 922 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:03,120 Speaker 4: Gladys Knight thing rating night in Georgia, and it poured 923 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,800 Speaker 4: down from Sunday and the only day was Tuesday, and 924 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 4: I said, Lord, please stop this rain. And it kept 925 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:14,320 Speaker 4: on raining Monday and rained all day Tuesday and half 926 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:22,520 Speaker 4: the night. And I went out to see how I 927 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,760 Speaker 4: was doing. And Black folk were still in lines. They 928 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,960 Speaker 4: went lines in Atlanta like they went line with Mandela 929 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,240 Speaker 4: in South Africa. They stayed in line for days in 930 01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,800 Speaker 4: South Africa. Because they got Mandela out of jail and 931 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,520 Speaker 4: elected in president. That they elected me mayor, and then 932 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,920 Speaker 4: after that they elected they elected me to Congress in 933 01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,000 Speaker 4: seventy two and then seventy three they elected mayne to 934 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,560 Speaker 4: Jackson mayor. And we've had nine black mayors in a row, 935 01:01:54,040 --> 01:02:01,080 Speaker 4: and everyone has grown the city more and and it's 936 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:02,680 Speaker 4: it's doing well. 937 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,520 Speaker 2: I have a favorite ask. I don't ask you from 938 01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,280 Speaker 2: any favors. I've never seen these folks so quiet. They're 939 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,600 Speaker 2: gonna pay you respect because you are, you are the iconic. 940 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,680 Speaker 2: They've never seen him quiet, right, yeah, yeah, but they 941 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,320 Speaker 2: got questions, right. And if you keep telling stories about Joe, 942 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,840 Speaker 2: Jack Schmoe and the other person, I need to know. 943 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,080 Speaker 2: This is a masterclass. This is an opportunity. 944 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 4: For give it one. 945 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,880 Speaker 2: John, Okay, but I know there's some jewels. 946 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,400 Speaker 4: But I've been giving him one for the lists. 947 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, they can't be said in one interview. That's why 948 01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,560 Speaker 3: the documentary is important as well. But I mean, I'm 949 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,080 Speaker 3: I'm I'm learning a lot I do. To John's point, 950 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,080 Speaker 3: do I do have a question? Do you think we've 951 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,480 Speaker 3: honored doctor King's legacy or just branded. 952 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 2: No. 953 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 4: I don't think there's anybody anybody around that doesn't respect 954 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,000 Speaker 4: what he did and what he gave his life for. 955 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,240 Speaker 4: I think that. I think he is a sacred personality 956 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:12,360 Speaker 4: in our history. But everyone is like that. I mean 957 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,200 Speaker 4: Christmas Attics. I knew about him. He's the first black man, 958 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 4: first man to die for this country in Massachusetts, and 959 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:29,360 Speaker 4: he's black, and it well, this country would not be 960 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:35,080 Speaker 4: what it is without us. And I think Martin Luther 961 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,320 Speaker 4: King represents the best of us, but he ain't the 962 01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,640 Speaker 4: only one of us. That there were people around him, 963 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,320 Speaker 4: and only a half a dozen of us have been 964 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 4: to college. I mean, most of us learn learn from 965 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,520 Speaker 4: the streets, and they learned from our experiences. 966 01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,200 Speaker 2: But the. 967 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,040 Speaker 4: I mean Louis Armstrong grew up in my neighborhood in 968 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,120 Speaker 4: New Orleans. He didn't I don't think anybody ever gave 969 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,120 Speaker 4: him trumpet lessons. He just picked up the thing and 970 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:15,160 Speaker 4: made it blow. And the thing that I'd like to 971 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,160 Speaker 4: remind people is that he's a man who grew up 972 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,960 Speaker 4: in one of the poorest neighborhoods in New Orleans, and 973 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 4: he sings It's a wonderful world, see. And there's Ray 974 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:38,040 Speaker 4: Charles who's blind, and there's a big piano out in 975 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,920 Speaker 4: all ben and Georgia where he grew up, and he 976 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:46,040 Speaker 4: sings America the Beautiful. But he doesn't start with though, 977 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,440 Speaker 4: but the spacious skies. He starts with little beautiful for 978 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:56,520 Speaker 4: heroes proved in liberating strife, who more than self their 979 01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:03,439 Speaker 4: country loved and mercy modern life. And we take the 980 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,280 Speaker 4: history of this country and the history of this planet 981 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:12,520 Speaker 4: and we turn it into a piece of music or 982 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,480 Speaker 4: a symbol of grace. If we do something, we do 983 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:21,800 Speaker 4: it with style, you know, and it's and and no 984 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:27,160 Speaker 4: matter what it is, we do it better. And I 985 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,800 Speaker 4: used to think I could play basketball. I wouldn't go 986 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,280 Speaker 4: near a basketball court with a bunch of women on 987 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:39,040 Speaker 4: it because they all would beat. The day when the 988 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:46,040 Speaker 4: Olympics wine in Korea, the women's Olympic team was playing 989 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,840 Speaker 4: an army team, and I went to the brothers. I said, now, look, 990 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:55,880 Speaker 4: don't don't y'all like too rough with these broads. I said, 991 01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:00,720 Speaker 4: you've got you've got to show them some respect. He said, man, 992 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:06,520 Speaker 4: you don't know, these brothers be the ship out of us. 993 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,920 Speaker 4: And and but I said, well, they said, no, we 994 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,080 Speaker 4: we got to try to get even. And if you 995 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:20,280 Speaker 4: look at at the way well that Atlanta airport. I 996 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:24,360 Speaker 4: can remember the lady when they said eighty percent of 997 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:25,240 Speaker 4: the work of the. 998 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:26,880 Speaker 2: No. 999 01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:33,000 Speaker 4: Eight hundred thousand dollars was made by women in the airport, 1000 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:37,439 Speaker 4: and this black woman got up and said, no, no, no, 1001 01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,600 Speaker 4: don't clap, don't clap. It should be a billion. Come 1002 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,040 Speaker 4: back when you've got a billion dollars, you've got a 1003 01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:49,000 Speaker 4: women making a billion dollars in this airport, then we'll clap. 1004 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:55,960 Speaker 4: And this it's been that. It's been that pushing and 1005 01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:04,160 Speaker 4: pulling and thinking and sweat that we have excelled at. 1006 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, as you say earlier, going back to what you 1007 01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,360 Speaker 6: said earlier, you said it's coming back right. So my 1008 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,560 Speaker 6: question to you, is this the state of this country 1009 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,480 Speaker 6: where it is now? Is it reminiscent of civil rights 1010 01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:19,640 Speaker 6: movement back in the day. 1011 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:26,240 Speaker 4: No, it's not because when I came up in the 1012 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 4: well maybe so, because I was born in nineteen thirty two, 1013 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,200 Speaker 4: that was a recession here and there were people starving. 1014 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,000 Speaker 4: That's where social security came from. That's where food stamps 1015 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,880 Speaker 4: came from, the government trying to meet people who were starving, 1016 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:53,680 Speaker 4: and they were not they were not black, I mean. 1017 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:59,760 Speaker 4: And right now, the way the government is moving, it's 1018 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:05,280 Speaker 4: not doing right for anybody. But there's some good happening. 1019 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,240 Speaker 4: And I. 1020 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,360 Speaker 6: What do you feel the good is? 1021 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,600 Speaker 4: That's a well. One I believe in this country, and 1022 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:18,599 Speaker 4: I believe in God, and I believe this country is 1023 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:24,040 Speaker 4: a God feary, God blessed country. That's something I have. 1024 01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,000 Speaker 4: I haven't seen any other country. Well, I've been to 1025 01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:34,120 Speaker 4: I've traveled one hundred and fifty one countries, and that 1026 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,599 Speaker 4: only about two hundred and ten countries in the world, 1027 01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:39,519 Speaker 4: and I've been to one hundred and fifty of them. 1028 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,960 Speaker 4: But I come right back to the United States and 1029 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,559 Speaker 4: I come back to Atlanta. I enjoyed New York, and 1030 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,280 Speaker 4: I'd like to come to New York, but it's just 1031 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,600 Speaker 4: takes too long to get places. 1032 01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:55,080 Speaker 2: And the. 1033 01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,680 Speaker 4: Traffic, now, you know, I worry about, but now the 1034 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:05,720 Speaker 4: traffic humped Atlanta. So we got to figure out what 1035 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:06,320 Speaker 4: to do with that. 1036 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,360 Speaker 2: When traffic comes to growing cities. Traffic comes to growing cities, 1037 01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,320 Speaker 2: which you built in Atlanta, by the way, eight hundred 1038 01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:15,160 Speaker 2: billion dollars sorry, five hundred and eighty billion dollars GDP, 1039 01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 2: the same Atlanta's bigger GDP than Singapore. And he built it, 1040 01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,080 Speaker 2: He and and the people he just talked about, they 1041 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,599 Speaker 2: built that into what my wife calls Wakanda, and it's 1042 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,320 Speaker 2: nothing like it in the in the entire world. Again, 1043 01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,720 Speaker 2: these are things that he doesn't talk about. It's it's 1044 01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,640 Speaker 2: some of it's in the documentary, by the way, some 1045 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,240 Speaker 2: of it's not a lot of it's not a lot 1046 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,840 Speaker 2: of us ended up on on the editing floor the bother. 1047 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,080 Speaker 2: Thanks Rachel, Thank Rachel, Mattaw Phil Griffin MSNBC for putting 1048 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,599 Speaker 2: resources behind this to make it possible. But this guy's 1049 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:51,160 Speaker 2: a walking treasure trove of strategic thought, I mean, and 1050 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:56,240 Speaker 2: most of it is unarticulated, unrecorded. He just goes about 1051 01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,439 Speaker 2: his business and he's he got to you just literally 1052 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,120 Speaker 2: pull it out of you, start talking, You ask them 1053 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,000 Speaker 2: a question, he goes in the fifty other directions. I 1054 01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,280 Speaker 2: love it, though, I love it all about other people. 1055 01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:07,280 Speaker 1: You said, just now with. 1056 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,519 Speaker 3: All of the he said, it's a God fearing country. 1057 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,920 Speaker 3: But when you think about all of the oppression black 1058 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,960 Speaker 3: people are facing this country, all the challenges be facing 1059 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,280 Speaker 3: this country, how can those people. 1060 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,080 Speaker 1: Be fearing of God treating people like that? 1061 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:28,000 Speaker 4: Welcause God's son suffered and suffering is not suffering is 1062 01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:32,720 Speaker 4: not the end. It's not acceptable, and we should do 1063 01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,519 Speaker 4: everything we can to wipe it out. But we shouldn't 1064 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,840 Speaker 4: be afraid of it. Like I just have never been 1065 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:45,519 Speaker 4: afraid to die. And and most of us that march 1066 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:53,200 Speaker 4: with Martin Luther King used to argue and and and say, Okay, 1067 01:10:54,080 --> 01:11:01,040 Speaker 4: who's Bombingham? Is Bombingham? Somebody gonna get bombed And that 1068 01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,439 Speaker 4: means I hope and and doctor King would start preaching 1069 01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:09,680 Speaker 4: your sermon, he said, Now, if it's you, saw Man, 1070 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,679 Speaker 4: I might have a hard time getting you into heaven. 1071 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:19,960 Speaker 4: But but but but he would start with finding some 1072 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,960 Speaker 4: of the things that you got. You have gathered my 1073 01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:28,120 Speaker 4: people together on this radio, and I want to bless 1074 01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,280 Speaker 4: you for that, and the Lord will bless you for that, 1075 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:35,599 Speaker 4: because you talk to more people about life than maybe 1076 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:41,400 Speaker 4: anybody else I know. And uh, we're grateful. We're not 1077 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,600 Speaker 4: gonna forget that. But we also know it took you 1078 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,240 Speaker 4: a little while to get here. And we know that 1079 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:57,000 Speaker 4: whatever got you here wasn't always you know, sunder, wasn't 1080 01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:01,200 Speaker 4: lessons you learned in Sunday School and and and and 1081 01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:06,679 Speaker 4: we we but you're forgiven the things in the struggle, 1082 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:15,559 Speaker 4: and you you got a place in glory. 1083 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,120 Speaker 1: It sounds like you have a hard time getting in heaven. 1084 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,719 Speaker 4: Well no, But. 1085 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,080 Speaker 3: Does the revolution start when people get tired of suffering? 1086 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:34,479 Speaker 4: Now, yeah, no revolution. Revolution I think is continuous. And 1087 01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:37,760 Speaker 4: like I picked up one of your books off the 1088 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:49,520 Speaker 4: table and uh what get honest a die line? And 1089 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:58,320 Speaker 4: in sometimes in history books like that would make one 1090 01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,760 Speaker 4: group of people wake up. Now it's hard to get 1091 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,599 Speaker 4: us to read. That's why you're on the radio. But 1092 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:09,599 Speaker 4: that's why we're on television also. And doctor King used 1093 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:17,639 Speaker 4: to say that news media is worth a million dollars 1094 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:22,080 Speaker 4: a minute. We we we would try to get our 1095 01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:27,880 Speaker 4: demonstrations on ABC, NBC and CBS and you know, cronk 1096 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:34,600 Speaker 4: Heit and Brink, but each one of them, if you 1097 01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,800 Speaker 4: could get on those three, that's that time is worth 1098 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,080 Speaker 4: a million dollars a minute. And so you put in 1099 01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,160 Speaker 4: some good hours here, thank you, and you built a 1100 01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:46,879 Speaker 4: good audience. 1101 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,120 Speaker 5: Is it true that you made the call to miss 1102 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,360 Speaker 5: credits Scott King after doctor King was shot? Did you 1103 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,760 Speaker 5: make the call to correct miss Corredis Scott King when 1104 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:56,639 Speaker 5: doctor King was shot? 1105 01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,280 Speaker 4: I did, but she had already heard it. But I 1106 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:06,479 Speaker 4: knew Corretta. Corretta and my wife grew up together in 1107 01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:10,240 Speaker 4: a little country town and we talked all the time, 1108 01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:17,759 Speaker 4: and they talked to each other. And she wasn't crying. 1109 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:24,000 Speaker 4: She wasn't. She said, well, there's what I've been worried about. 1110 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:30,920 Speaker 4: But now we have to carry on. And that's the 1111 01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,360 Speaker 4: way all of her children have tried to carry on. 1112 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:45,800 Speaker 4: And it's hard, and but all of us in some 1113 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:54,160 Speaker 4: way a doctor King's children. And we see the example 1114 01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:58,519 Speaker 4: that he said, and we see her she was, she 1115 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:03,240 Speaker 4: was she was up here in Boston, uh, trying to 1116 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:10,479 Speaker 4: train to be an opera singer. Mm hmm. And he said, 1117 01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,200 Speaker 4: I need you back down south with me. 1118 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,760 Speaker 2: She actually raised money. She would do concerts credit Scot 1119 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,280 Speaker 2: King would sing concerts, operated concerts and raise money for 1120 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,000 Speaker 2: the civil rights movement. For her husband behind every successful 1121 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,679 Speaker 2: man as an exhausted woman, which is why he keeps 1122 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,840 Speaker 2: telling the story of women who don't get the credit, 1123 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,400 Speaker 2: who don't get acknowledged. He keeps pulling. I do admire 1124 01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,160 Speaker 2: that he keeps pulling everybody into his story so they 1125 01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,120 Speaker 2: get their name mentioned, so that they get acknowledged. Uh. 1126 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,200 Speaker 2: His his wife now is strong. His first wife, Jeanie 1127 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:48,240 Speaker 2: childs young was strong. Uh. When he was you an ambassador, 1128 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,080 Speaker 2: they were in a they went to jean Child's hometown. 1129 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,920 Speaker 4: Little country town in Alabama. 1130 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:54,920 Speaker 2: And they were on the they were in the open 1131 01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,840 Speaker 2: opening a car and Gene child Wrong said Andy. She 1132 01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,599 Speaker 2: that's this guy I used to date in high school. 1133 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,880 Speaker 2: He's a bum. Now he's on he's on the street corner. 1134 01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,200 Speaker 4: I said, I said, go Lee, I guess you're glad 1135 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:15,040 Speaker 4: he he had a hard time in Vietnam and he's 1136 01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,760 Speaker 4: not doing right. I guess you're glad you didn't marry him. 1137 01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,960 Speaker 4: And she said she if he'd have been the ambassador 1138 01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:28,680 Speaker 4: to the United Nations. And that's that's true. That that 1139 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,040 Speaker 4: and that's a there's a John Bryant quote behind every 1140 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:40,599 Speaker 4: great man as an exhausted woman, many exhausted women. I'm glad. 1141 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,080 Speaker 3: I'm glad that you keep bringing up, you know, other people. 1142 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,080 Speaker 3: And I'm glad that what the doctors called the dirty work, 1143 01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,920 Speaker 3: because I think playing your position is a lost start. 1144 01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,559 Speaker 1: I think everybody wants to be a star now. 1145 01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,720 Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, it makes me one that 1146 01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:02,679 Speaker 3: has has social media made the struggle to performative because 1147 01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,040 Speaker 3: people don't see that unseen grind. You don't see that 1148 01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,439 Speaker 3: dirty work. You don't understand how important plan your position is. 1149 01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:20,639 Speaker 4: Well, you know those who are in music noted you've 1150 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,559 Speaker 4: got to create a certain harmony, a certain rhythm that 1151 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,799 Speaker 4: you can't do it. I mean, jazz was everybody solo 1152 01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,559 Speaker 4: and on their own. But but the music now has 1153 01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:37,160 Speaker 4: has far more well in good times. It has melody 1154 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:45,880 Speaker 4: in hard times against funky. But you've got you've got 1155 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:53,000 Speaker 4: each one expressing the way they feel and uh and 1156 01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,519 Speaker 4: somehow when you hear it and it relates to you, 1157 01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,839 Speaker 4: you go out and buy the record, so you you 1158 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 4: turn on whatever it is you have to turn on. 1159 01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:09,200 Speaker 4: Nowadays I don't have one of them. Go ahead, no, 1160 01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:18,320 Speaker 4: but it's it's this is a very complex life. I 1161 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,920 Speaker 4: mean when I lived in New York, I worked up 1162 01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:29,160 Speaker 4: on the near Harlem and near Riverside Church, and one 1163 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,599 Speaker 4: time the lights went off and I had to walk 1164 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,880 Speaker 4: from up there at one hundred and twentieth and Broadway 1165 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:42,080 Speaker 4: across the Queensbide Down Bridge to get a bus on 1166 01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,280 Speaker 4: the other side to get me. 1167 01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:44,519 Speaker 2: Up to. 1168 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:54,200 Speaker 4: Hollis And it's a huge, complicated city and there's nothing simple. 1169 01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,759 Speaker 4: But you have to figure that for anything to work 1170 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:04,240 Speaker 4: in this city, and in most great cities, there's got 1171 01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:08,479 Speaker 4: to be a series of teams that are making it work. 1172 01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,320 Speaker 4: And most of the time you don't see the ones 1173 01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,880 Speaker 4: that are in the background, and you don't, I mean 1174 01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,200 Speaker 4: you don't. You might see the cook that's preparing the meal, 1175 01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,240 Speaker 4: but you don't see the guy that had the slaughter 1176 01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:27,719 Speaker 4: the cole. 1177 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,479 Speaker 5: You know, there's all this work and you know all 1178 01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,680 Speaker 5: the sacrifice that you guys put in. When Martin Luther 1179 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,559 Speaker 5: King was here, he wasn't as liked and as revered 1180 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,040 Speaker 5: by everybody as he is today. 1181 01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,680 Speaker 6: How do you feel when you say he almost was, 1182 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,760 Speaker 6: you know, almost talking about I mean there. 1183 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:47,320 Speaker 4: Were a few people who were jealous of him, who 1184 01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:52,800 Speaker 4: wanted to be him, but they were preachers too, and 1185 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,080 Speaker 4: but he was one of that kind. I just want 1186 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,519 Speaker 4: to they've never stopped that kind of no. But he 1187 01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:13,800 Speaker 4: he did not let that bother him, and it well, yeah, yeah, 1188 01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:20,479 Speaker 4: you have to watch your enemies, but you see them 1189 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,439 Speaker 4: better if you bring them closer and try to get 1190 01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:29,840 Speaker 4: them involved in what you're doing. And you know, the 1191 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:37,519 Speaker 4: teams that win play together, and and and everything requires 1192 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,480 Speaker 4: a team. 1193 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,520 Speaker 2: Now we get into a real conversation. 1194 01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,280 Speaker 7: Can tell me about the team that you and Clarence Eve, 1195 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:48,040 Speaker 7: Oh lord, I tell you that that is one of 1196 01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,599 Speaker 7: the most He's one of the most beautiful brothers I've 1197 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,040 Speaker 7: ever met love him. 1198 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:58,719 Speaker 4: He called me and said, I'm trying to reach Andrew 1199 01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:02,800 Speaker 4: Young and the young I said, yeah, I'm in the 1200 01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:08,559 Speaker 4: He said, nigga, are you crazy? And I said, I 1201 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:09,560 Speaker 4: don't know what? 1202 01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:09,400 Speaker 3: What? What? 1203 01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,400 Speaker 4: Why? What makes you think that they tell me you 1204 01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:19,280 Speaker 4: running for congress in Georgia. Don't you know that they 1205 01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:25,040 Speaker 4: just killed medical over there in in Mississippi. How you 1206 01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,519 Speaker 4: ain't got good sense and you want to run for congress? 1207 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:33,679 Speaker 4: I said, well, before doctor King was killed, the last 1208 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,280 Speaker 4: thing we talked about was how were going to take 1209 01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:41,000 Speaker 4: our people from the streets into politics. And when John 1210 01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,640 Speaker 4: came along, it was from the streets to the to 1211 01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,400 Speaker 4: the suites and the banks, and how to how we're 1212 01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:51,240 Speaker 4: going to integrate the money, how we're going to integrate 1213 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:57,000 Speaker 4: the culture, say And he said, well, if you crazy 1214 01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,439 Speaker 4: enough to run, I'm crazy enough to help you. And 1215 01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,320 Speaker 4: I said, what would you He said, what would you do? 1216 01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,760 Speaker 4: If I could get Bill Cosby? If I could bring 1217 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,639 Speaker 4: Bill Cosby and Isaac Hayes. Now this was nineteen seventy. 1218 01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,080 Speaker 4: Bill Cosby was booming, he just got on, you know, 1219 01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:20,880 Speaker 4: and Isaac Hayes was good music or out of Memphis. 1220 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:25,800 Speaker 4: And I said, well, you know, I said, I don't 1221 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,400 Speaker 4: even have money to make a phone call to invite him. 1222 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,240 Speaker 4: He said, nigga, I didn't ask you if you had 1223 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,760 Speaker 4: any money. I said, what would you do if they 1224 01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:39,599 Speaker 4: came here? And I said, well, I'd get to baseball 1225 01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,960 Speaker 4: Stadium and we'd fill it. We'd fill it up. That'd 1226 01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,760 Speaker 4: be a great start for a campaign. I said, but 1227 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,080 Speaker 4: I told you I don't have any money. He said, 1228 01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,920 Speaker 4: I told you. I ain't said nothing to you about money. 1229 01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:58,519 Speaker 4: Money is my business. And I shut up and he 1230 01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:03,160 Speaker 4: hung up on me. But he found out who had 1231 01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,920 Speaker 4: handled the radio, I mean the Braves Stadium. And it 1232 01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:13,519 Speaker 4: was about in six weeks signs we well, four weeks 1233 01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,400 Speaker 4: signs walp all over town, that Bill Cosby and Isaac 1234 01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,360 Speaker 4: Hayes would come into the baseball stadium and he blew 1235 01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,240 Speaker 4: it out right and they filled it up in the 1236 01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,840 Speaker 4: pour and down rain and gave you the money and 1237 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,559 Speaker 4: didn't even charge didn't charge anything. I love Clarence Man, say, 1238 01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:30,360 Speaker 4: that's my idol. 1239 01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:37,080 Speaker 6: What was the issue, the real issue between Martin Luther 1240 01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:37,599 Speaker 6: King Jr. 1241 01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:38,920 Speaker 1: And Malcolm X. 1242 01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:45,880 Speaker 4: You know there was no issue. The difference was that 1243 01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:50,519 Speaker 4: Martin Luther King learned in college. Malcolm X learned in jail. 1244 01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:57,040 Speaker 4: But Malcolm X read the Dictionary and the Bible. Say, 1245 01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:02,160 Speaker 4: and when Mark and came back with the Nobel Prize, 1246 01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:08,479 Speaker 4: we worked in Harlem and the Armory. And when we 1247 01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,760 Speaker 4: came in the back door, who was standing act in 1248 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,160 Speaker 4: the back door with Malcolm X. Two people, Malcolm X 1249 01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:20,519 Speaker 4: and Nelson Rockefeller. And Malcolm X said, I just wanted 1250 01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,559 Speaker 4: to thank you for all that you've done, and I 1251 01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,600 Speaker 4: want you to know that I am with you in 1252 01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,920 Speaker 4: anything you want me to do. But I think that 1253 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:34,280 Speaker 4: it's probably better strategy if you and I don't seem 1254 01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:39,200 Speaker 4: to be so close, and said, that's why I'm not 1255 01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,559 Speaker 4: going to come in there with you in public. 1256 01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,839 Speaker 2: He wasn't trying to profile Malcolm, trying. 1257 01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:50,200 Speaker 3: To did disparate Malcolm, you see, disparaited Martin publicly sometimes. 1258 01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,240 Speaker 1: Though we'll call him Uncle Tom. 1259 01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:52,320 Speaker 2: Was his brand. 1260 01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,800 Speaker 4: It wasn't It wasn't Malcolm so much as it was 1261 01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:00,559 Speaker 4: that whole whole crowd around Elijah Muhammad. 1262 01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:02,920 Speaker 1: Now, but Martin was close to Elijah too. 1263 01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,400 Speaker 4: It seems like I know, well because we're unable because 1264 01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:12,040 Speaker 4: when we came to if we went into town, like 1265 01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,640 Speaker 4: when we went to to Chicago, we got all the 1266 01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:22,880 Speaker 4: big preachers together and got them to agree that we 1267 01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,519 Speaker 4: would be there with them and that they could tell 1268 01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,559 Speaker 4: us what they wanted us to do. Now. Some didn't 1269 01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:34,479 Speaker 4: like it, and some just didn't want anybody to have 1270 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:40,480 Speaker 4: a profile but them, and we just went on around them. 1271 01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:45,880 Speaker 4: But Malcolm, Well, I met Malcolm when I was here, 1272 01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:53,400 Speaker 4: and Mike Wallace did a story on Malcolm on Sixty Minutes, 1273 01:25:54,520 --> 01:26:00,879 Speaker 4: and the black guy who was working with Mike Wallace 1274 01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:05,519 Speaker 4: was married to one of my secretaries at the National 1275 01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:09,800 Speaker 4: Consular Churches, and they invited me and my wife over 1276 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:16,640 Speaker 4: to dinner. This was this was before Malcolm X was 1277 01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:22,400 Speaker 4: even known around and but we'd had dinner a couple 1278 01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,720 Speaker 4: of times together. Anytime he came to Atlanta, he came 1279 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,519 Speaker 4: by our office, but Martin was never there. But he 1280 01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:35,280 Speaker 4: went to He went to Selma to see Martin, and 1281 01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,160 Speaker 4: Martin got arrested that day and was in jail. So 1282 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,639 Speaker 4: he spent the day with Corretta and me and spoke 1283 01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:46,120 Speaker 4: at the mass Mass meeting that night and then went 1284 01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:46,679 Speaker 4: on his way. 1285 01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,920 Speaker 1: Malcolm and they haven't they haven't met. They met once? 1286 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, they met, No, they met several times. 1287 01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,760 Speaker 3: Was always in publicly, Yeah, publicly, Yeah, that's when they 1288 01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:58,840 Speaker 3: had got that picture together. 1289 01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,479 Speaker 2: By the way, when he became mayor, just the point 1290 01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,639 Speaker 2: about paying people playing their roles. When he became mayor 1291 01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,280 Speaker 2: of Atlanta, the civil rights leaders his friends. The second 1292 01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:10,080 Speaker 2: day he was mayor, they picketed him. So he went outside. 1293 01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,320 Speaker 2: He said, what are you guys doing? They said, well, 1294 01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,080 Speaker 2: you're the mayor now, so we you know, you got 1295 01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,120 Speaker 2: your job, we got ours And he accepted that. So 1296 01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,400 Speaker 2: Malcolm was playing his lane, is playing his role publicly, 1297 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:26,800 Speaker 2: but privately he respected doctor King and just didn't feel 1298 01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,200 Speaker 2: that he was useful to him. By the way, a 1299 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,360 Speaker 2: lot of these, a lot of the Black Power movement 1300 01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,160 Speaker 2: came out of standing right next to doctor King walking 1301 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,439 Speaker 2: in the South, the Black Power movement, that's where it started. 1302 01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:42,840 Speaker 2: They'd used Malcolm Martin's visibility to get visibility for what 1303 01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:44,759 Speaker 2: they were doing, which was easier because he were angry 1304 01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,919 Speaker 2: Black Power getting angry, so and Martin a lot allowed 1305 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,479 Speaker 2: all of that. He allowed everything to flourish around him. 1306 01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,599 Speaker 2: He wasn't insecure, but it just wasn't his It wasn't 1307 01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:55,000 Speaker 2: his way. 1308 01:27:55,160 --> 01:28:07,000 Speaker 4: What he did was on just that he invited Carmichael 1309 01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,160 Speaker 4: to come to church. So next time you're in Atlanta, 1310 01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,640 Speaker 4: if you're in Atlanta on a suddeny, please come to 1311 01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,640 Speaker 4: church and then come home and have dinner with us. Afterwards. 1312 01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:20,400 Speaker 4: We need some time to talk. And he came to Atlanta, 1313 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,599 Speaker 4: went to church, and then they went home together. Uh 1314 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,559 Speaker 4: and uh, Coretta fixed dinner with the well. Preacher's wives 1315 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:34,400 Speaker 4: always have a way of fixing food no matter who 1316 01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:35,639 Speaker 4: shows up. They got enough. 1317 01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,840 Speaker 2: But isn't it true that all of those leaders at 1318 01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,639 Speaker 2: some point criticized doctor King. Yeah, see snake snick. 1319 01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,160 Speaker 1: Uh Uh, yes, sick. I mean it's nick. 1320 01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,400 Speaker 3: That's why I love the documentary King of King King 1321 01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,720 Speaker 3: in the Wilderness, you know, because it shows that. But 1322 01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,280 Speaker 3: it seemed like it was respectful, you know, like they 1323 01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:59,000 Speaker 3: were walking together and they were disagreeing during interviews, but 1324 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,000 Speaker 3: it was respectful. 1325 01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:01,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1326 01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:06,280 Speaker 4: But people like John Lewis never disagree, you know, And 1327 01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:18,000 Speaker 4: it was it was people. I mean, you have rivalries 1328 01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:21,479 Speaker 4: on the same football team, but they all run in 1329 01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:27,120 Speaker 4: the same play and and and that's sort of that's 1330 01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,720 Speaker 4: sort of the way we were. We said, look, we 1331 01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:35,120 Speaker 4: may disagree on how to get there, but we all 1332 01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,400 Speaker 4: are trying to do the same thing, and we can 1333 01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:39,880 Speaker 4: do it best if we do it together. 1334 01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,559 Speaker 2: So Charlemagne, what I'm hearing from what I've learned from 1335 01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:48,040 Speaker 2: him is the mission back then was we? The mission 1336 01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,240 Speaker 2: now is me? This is the basically when to summarize 1337 01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,439 Speaker 2: what the problem is and what you brought up earlier. 1338 01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,880 Speaker 2: People today wake up Ago, I'm tired of talking about me. 1339 01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,720 Speaker 2: Now you talk about me, and it's all about me, me, 1340 01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,960 Speaker 2: and I'm and if it doesn't benefit me, then I'm 1341 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:04,559 Speaker 2: not interested. 1342 01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,920 Speaker 1: My likes, my engaging is my views. 1343 01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,519 Speaker 2: That's right, my opinion. And if I got to hurt you, 1344 01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,920 Speaker 2: I've got to step on you to elevate myself, then, 1345 01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,880 Speaker 2: so be it. Back then it was almost the exact opposite. 1346 01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:22,320 Speaker 4: Now, I mean, I just you're being gracious, you are 1347 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:26,120 Speaker 4: being I'm being respectful. 1348 01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:27,400 Speaker 2: Exactly the point. 1349 01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:34,559 Speaker 4: But I'm trying to find if you're going to get 1350 01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:41,080 Speaker 4: along with people, you can easily point out differences, but 1351 01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,840 Speaker 4: if you really want to work together, you got to 1352 01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:50,160 Speaker 4: find those huge things that you agree on and say, 1353 01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:54,560 Speaker 4: let's get this straight first. And that's true in the neighborhood. 1354 01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,639 Speaker 4: You know, it's true in everything we do. 1355 01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,639 Speaker 6: I totally respect what you said a little bit back 1356 01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,240 Speaker 6: when you said, I've never been afraid to die, right, 1357 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:13,400 Speaker 6: But I think it's greater that you've never been afraid 1358 01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,880 Speaker 6: to die without making a difference or without making a change, 1359 01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,000 Speaker 6: because you've got a lot of young people that aren't 1360 01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,800 Speaker 6: afraid to die either, but for the wrong reason. 1361 01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:26,200 Speaker 4: No, they afraid. They scared to death. And it's because 1362 01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:31,120 Speaker 4: they're scared that they do stupid things. See. I mean 1363 01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:36,320 Speaker 4: most street fights would be avoided if somebody could say 1364 01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:41,200 Speaker 4: blow a whistle and say just take ten seconds to 1365 01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:53,519 Speaker 4: cool off, they wouldn't shoot. But they're doing something and 1366 01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:58,640 Speaker 4: I don't really understand it because I've never had to 1367 01:31:58,680 --> 01:31:59,880 Speaker 4: be that way. 1368 01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,280 Speaker 2: Let me bridget. The most dangerous person in the world 1369 01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,559 Speaker 2: is a person with no hope. So they had hope. 1370 01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,840 Speaker 2: Loaded The most dangerous person in the world is a 1371 01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:15,680 Speaker 2: person with no hope. They had hope. They had self esteem, 1372 01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,160 Speaker 2: not just confidence. You can be great in music or 1373 01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,720 Speaker 2: great and whatever, have enormous confidence, but have low self esteem. 1374 01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,599 Speaker 2: They had spirituality. They believe it's something larger and more 1375 01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,639 Speaker 2: important themselves. Doctor King to say I'm here to say 1376 01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:29,880 Speaker 2: black people, he said, I'm here to redeem the soul 1377 01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:33,639 Speaker 2: of America from the triple evils of war, racism, and poverty. 1378 01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:38,360 Speaker 2: He wrapped everybody in his vision, and he brought everybody 1379 01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,320 Speaker 2: in and then lifted everybody up and with it. Yes, 1380 01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,759 Speaker 2: black people got lifted too, but it wasn't black people 1381 01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,000 Speaker 2: only or black people at the cost of everybody else. 1382 01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,400 Speaker 2: And so he made it hard for people to disagree 1383 01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:53,439 Speaker 2: with him. But he had his own self esteem. When 1384 01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,200 Speaker 2: you have no hope, you're willing to your life has 1385 01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:00,639 Speaker 2: no value. They were willing to die because they had hope, 1386 01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,800 Speaker 2: because it wasn't about them. It's a different new ones. 1387 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,720 Speaker 2: They value themselves enough that they valued everybody else enough 1388 01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,639 Speaker 2: that they're willing to sacrifice themselves. So that's a different 1389 01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:15,000 Speaker 2: thing than I don't value me. I don't value it 1390 01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:16,799 Speaker 2: was going I'm not gonna live to twenty five anyway, 1391 01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,040 Speaker 2: what does it matter? None of this matters, So I'm 1392 01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,840 Speaker 2: not the most dangerous person in the world. Is a 1393 01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:23,639 Speaker 2: personal no hope. That's why he said he can't relate 1394 01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:27,040 Speaker 2: to it. So it is that, Charlie, what you said 1395 01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,680 Speaker 2: earlier about has it changed, or you asked yes, I 1396 01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:33,759 Speaker 2: think it has changed. It's me and me I because 1397 01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:37,000 Speaker 2: I don't value myself. I need to keep pouring water 1398 01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,240 Speaker 2: in this cup because because the cup has no bottom. 1399 01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:41,800 Speaker 2: If the cup has no bottom, I'm pouring all the time, 1400 01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,200 Speaker 2: trying to fill up myself esteem. 1401 01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,680 Speaker 6: And people need validation and seek validation. 1402 01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:50,880 Speaker 2: Yes, through everything. And so what he's talking about is 1403 01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:51,799 Speaker 2: purpose in life. 1404 01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,240 Speaker 1: My God, what he's got his intention? It's your real purpose. 1405 01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:56,720 Speaker 1: What's your intention? What are you here for? 1406 01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:01,439 Speaker 2: Yeses and you guys are the most powerful what you 1407 01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:03,960 Speaker 2: do in the country, And I believe in the world 1408 01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:07,479 Speaker 2: because you're all about something. You don't just show up 1409 01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:11,240 Speaker 2: here me and me. It's not good. You facilitate a 1410 01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,240 Speaker 2: conversation and you wouldn't let the other person be. You 1411 01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:16,280 Speaker 2: want the other person to be the center of the conversation, 1412 01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,880 Speaker 2: to pull it out of him. And you even sacrifice 1413 01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,920 Speaker 2: yourself sometimes when the people talking mess to you. You 1414 01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,000 Speaker 2: got to know who you are. He knows who he is. Doctor. 1415 01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:27,640 Speaker 2: Can you tell him the quick story is not in 1416 01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:31,479 Speaker 2: the documentary Quick quick story about I'm just trying to 1417 01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:32,600 Speaker 2: do this quick because I want to try to get a 1418 01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,639 Speaker 2: lot in a little bit of time. When when you 1419 01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,120 Speaker 2: came back with doctor King from the Nobel Peace Prize 1420 01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,200 Speaker 2: and President the United States. This was when he saw 1421 01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:44,000 Speaker 2: Malcolm and Rockefeller, and the President United States refused to 1422 01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:47,320 Speaker 2: meet with you guys because he didn't want to ask. 1423 01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,760 Speaker 2: He knew was coming and you were in New York. 1424 01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:51,760 Speaker 2: Rockefeller offered you his jet. 1425 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,960 Speaker 4: Well, Rockefeller assumed that we were going to see the 1426 01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,120 Speaker 4: President Johnson, and he said, you all can let me 1427 01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,960 Speaker 4: know what time you want leave. I'll have my jet 1428 01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,160 Speaker 4: ready to pick you up and take you down to Origenon. 1429 01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,840 Speaker 4: And that was in the paper. So we got an 1430 01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,680 Speaker 4: appointment we thought for three o'clock and we got there 1431 01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,960 Speaker 4: on time with the President. With the President, we got 1432 01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,120 Speaker 4: there on time, but they said he was tied up 1433 01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:22,839 Speaker 4: with the generals talking about Vietnam. 1434 01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:24,439 Speaker 2: You don't want to see him, and. 1435 01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:32,880 Speaker 4: It I mean, we really didn't get to see himuntil dark. 1436 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,880 Speaker 4: It was about six o'clock, two or three hours later. 1437 01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,960 Speaker 4: But we were with the Vice president and the district 1438 01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:43,320 Speaker 4: and the Attorney General talking about voting rights. When we 1439 01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:47,040 Speaker 4: got in with the President Johnson, he was really depressed 1440 01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:54,839 Speaker 4: and he said, I agree with you, doctor King everything 1441 01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:58,800 Speaker 4: Martin says. He said, I agree with you. I just 1442 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,200 Speaker 4: don't have the power. And that was his only answer 1443 01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:05,680 Speaker 4: everything we said. He said, I agree with you. I 1444 01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,000 Speaker 4: just don't have the power. 1445 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:08,800 Speaker 1: The president who had the power if you were. 1446 01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:13,680 Speaker 4: Then well, he didn't have the votes, and he had 1447 01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,680 Speaker 4: just gotten beat up by people who were trying to 1448 01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:20,840 Speaker 4: get him to drop atomic bombs on Vietnam, and so 1449 01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:32,120 Speaker 4: he was depressed. And when we left, I said, doctor King, 1450 01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:35,679 Speaker 4: I said, you know, the president is right. He doesn't 1451 01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:40,519 Speaker 4: have the power, and we don't either. And I said, 1452 01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:43,680 Speaker 4: this is a perfect time for you to take a sabbatical. 1453 01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,320 Speaker 4: You need to take three or four months off, go 1454 01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:51,080 Speaker 4: wherever you want to go, think this through, take your 1455 01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:58,040 Speaker 4: family or not, and then after the next election we'll 1456 01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:02,720 Speaker 4: have a better position. And he said no. I said, well, 1457 01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,160 Speaker 4: what you going to do? He said, we got to 1458 01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:09,120 Speaker 4: get the president some power. And I said something else 1459 01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,960 Speaker 4: and he said no, we got to get the president 1460 01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:19,280 Speaker 4: some power. And finally I said, nigga, you more housemen. 1461 01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:22,280 Speaker 2: You broke. 1462 01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:27,799 Speaker 4: You see, because the Nobel Peace Prize was sixty thousand dollars, 1463 01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,679 Speaker 4: Rockefeller doubled it, so we had one hundred and twenty 1464 01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:34,559 Speaker 4: thousand dollars. But then Martin divided up against all well 1465 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:38,760 Speaker 4: all six. He gave everybody a sixth of it, every 1466 01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:49,040 Speaker 4: civil rights organization. He split up the money and I said, here, 1467 01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,080 Speaker 4: we ain't got a pot to pissing or window the 1468 01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:58,040 Speaker 4: throat out of. And you talking about getting the president 1469 01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:03,720 Speaker 4: some power? I said, you niggas got some nerves. And 1470 01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,439 Speaker 4: I was talking. I went to Howard, he went to Morehouse. 1471 01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:11,639 Speaker 4: So we always were picking on each other, and that's 1472 01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:18,840 Speaker 4: the only thing he'd kid you about. But when we 1473 01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:19,920 Speaker 4: got back home, he. 1474 01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,320 Speaker 2: Said, you can tell you what's about more house men. 1475 01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:23,479 Speaker 2: You can tell morehouse men. 1476 01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:27,040 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean that was my line. I said, 1477 01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,400 Speaker 4: you more houseman got more nerve than a brass ass monkey. 1478 01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,599 Speaker 4: You ain't got a pot to pisson or when did 1479 01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,920 Speaker 4: to throw it out of? And yet you're gonna get 1480 01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:36,960 Speaker 4: the presidents of Paula. 1481 01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:37,840 Speaker 3: What did he say? 1482 01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,439 Speaker 4: He just said, we're gonna get the president of paul 1483 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:45,840 Speaker 4: to have it. When we got back two days later, 1484 01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:51,000 Speaker 4: Amelia Boyton called and said she was on the way 1485 01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,639 Speaker 4: to see us from Selma. Now media Boytan had been 1486 01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:58,400 Speaker 4: in Selma since nineteen thirty two, that's the year I 1487 01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:02,920 Speaker 4: was born, and she went there at eighteen with George 1488 01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:10,280 Speaker 4: Washington Carver to teach sharecrop of women how to feed 1489 01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:15,120 Speaker 4: their children in the midst of the recession, and so 1490 01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,439 Speaker 4: they were doing things like smashing beans. 1491 01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:22,400 Speaker 2: Everybody else's story, but what happened in Selma. 1492 01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:30,320 Speaker 4: But in Selma when we got to the office, she 1493 01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:34,320 Speaker 4: called and said she was there to see doctor King, 1494 01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:40,479 Speaker 4: and she and three preachers came in and told what 1495 01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:47,400 Speaker 4: was happening in Sela and said we have to you 1496 01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:51,400 Speaker 4: have to help us. And this was just before Christmas. 1497 01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:54,880 Speaker 4: So he said, well, right after Christmas, we'll come over. 1498 01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:59,880 Speaker 4: And you know, everybody has an Emancipation Day celebration on 1499 01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:06,000 Speaker 4: the first of January, and so we didn't have it 1500 01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:12,519 Speaker 4: on the first of January because that was that was 1501 01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:17,240 Speaker 4: the first Sunday, and that's the reason was that threw 1502 01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,719 Speaker 4: everything off. But we had it on the second Sunday, 1503 01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:26,080 Speaker 4: and it was we didn't have it on Sunday, we 1504 01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:30,559 Speaker 4: had it on Tuesday. And so but that's when we 1505 01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:37,479 Speaker 4: started to sell them a movement. Ninety days later, Lynnon 1506 01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,439 Speaker 4: Johnson was on television saying we shall overcome. 1507 01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:42,920 Speaker 2: So back up. So it's an important part of this 1508 01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,200 Speaker 2: is doctor King made a commitment to go to Selma. 1509 01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:48,679 Speaker 2: If he had shown up in Selma, the police wouldn't 1510 01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:51,280 Speaker 2: have attacked John Lewis. They would't have attacked you. The 1511 01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:54,680 Speaker 2: wouldn't have attacked doctor King strategically on a bad move. 1512 01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,040 Speaker 2: They would have let doctor King march. But doctor King 1513 01:40:57,080 --> 01:41:01,280 Speaker 2: got the wrong date. That's what he That's what just again, 1514 01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,360 Speaker 2: history for him is just like talking about like that's 1515 01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:06,240 Speaker 2: a monitor. He just glossed over it. They they told 1516 01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:09,640 Speaker 2: him that lady in Selma a date, but they, oh, 1517 01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,200 Speaker 2: I can't come on that date. That's the first Sunday 1518 01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:13,360 Speaker 2: I got to be in my church. So he stayed 1519 01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,519 Speaker 2: back and sent and he sent Andy Young Bass Young, 1520 01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,800 Speaker 2: I called him Bass to go there for him, like, 1521 01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:20,920 Speaker 2: make sure that the like is in trouble. Don't let 1522 01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,439 Speaker 2: anybody march. He got there and said, well, these people 1523 01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,639 Speaker 2: will march anyway, but well they're gona probably turn us around, 1524 01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:26,599 Speaker 2: so don't worry about it. 1525 01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:28,920 Speaker 4: Well, three hundred people in the country town, that's a 1526 01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:29,559 Speaker 4: lot of folk. 1527 01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,760 Speaker 2: So they didn't turn him around. They let him march. 1528 01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,040 Speaker 2: But then the then the troopers ran. That's that famous 1529 01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,519 Speaker 2: film where they ran over everybody and they and they 1530 01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,519 Speaker 2: knocked John Lewis out. All that was an accident. I mean, 1531 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,719 Speaker 2: it wasn't supposed to happen because Doctor King was supposed 1532 01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:44,439 Speaker 2: to be there. It wasps have been a proper speech. 1533 01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,439 Speaker 2: So all of because Doctor King had to be in 1534 01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:49,080 Speaker 2: his church on first Sunday and they got the date wrong. 1535 01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,879 Speaker 1: So that called John Louis accidental trouble then. 1536 01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:57,639 Speaker 4: And then to talk about good trouble and. 1537 01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:59,360 Speaker 2: So that then triggered three months later. 1538 01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:05,439 Speaker 4: It wasn't it wasn't that that that was the first 1539 01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:10,559 Speaker 4: of March. Yeah, it was fourth of July. And what 1540 01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:15,200 Speaker 4: happened He signed the Civil Rights Bill. Wow, and that 1541 01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:16,559 Speaker 4: gave us the right to vote. 1542 01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,439 Speaker 2: Wow, got him some power to the black boys from 1543 01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:24,120 Speaker 2: from the South, flipping the President of the United States. 1544 01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:25,840 Speaker 1: You've been very generous with your time. 1545 01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:26,080 Speaker 4: Man. 1546 01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,760 Speaker 1: His interview has been longer than the documentary, by the way. 1547 01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:33,240 Speaker 3: Okay, but we appreciate it. 1548 01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,040 Speaker 1: And I want to leave on this the Dirty Work. 1549 01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:37,320 Speaker 1: If if the. 1550 01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:41,320 Speaker 3: Dirty Work documentary could teach one lesson to this generation 1551 01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,960 Speaker 3: and the next generation or organizes, what what would you. 1552 01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:44,400 Speaker 1: Want it to be? 1553 01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:49,960 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I called it the dirty Work. But 1554 01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,280 Speaker 4: when I kind of realized I had no purpose in life, 1555 01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,160 Speaker 4: and the way I decided, I said, if there's something 1556 01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,120 Speaker 4: that I think needs doing and nobody else wants to 1557 01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:05,960 Speaker 4: do it. That's my job and that's the way I 1558 01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:09,519 Speaker 4: defined my calling. When I went to work with doctor King, 1559 01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,040 Speaker 4: nobody wanted to work with him. He didn't have anybody there, 1560 01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:16,680 Speaker 4: and so I've started, well, whyt Walker was coming down, 1561 01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:24,320 Speaker 4: but he hadn't gotten there yet. And it's and once 1562 01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:28,000 Speaker 4: I got there most of the stuff that nobody wanted 1563 01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,639 Speaker 4: to know. Nobody wanted to go sit down and argue 1564 01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,280 Speaker 4: with white folks. And I didn't argue because I would 1565 01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:36,559 Speaker 4: I would be cool. But if Jose had gone, he 1566 01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,240 Speaker 4: would want to. It would have been an argument because 1567 01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:43,200 Speaker 4: he had to argue about everything. But that was my role, 1568 01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:50,320 Speaker 4: which was which I did, though I didn't necessarily like 1569 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,960 Speaker 4: it to be in that role all the time. 1570 01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:59,160 Speaker 2: But it So, what's the lesson for this generation less than. 1571 01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:05,880 Speaker 4: Just this generation, is there is some dirty work in 1572 01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:10,439 Speaker 4: any struggle for freedom. But dirty work could be hard work, 1573 01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,639 Speaker 4: dirty work could be thoughtful work, you know, whatever nobody 1574 01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:20,679 Speaker 4: else wants to do. Like we didn't want to mess 1575 01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:24,479 Speaker 4: with money. And John decided that he was going to 1576 01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:28,240 Speaker 4: teach folks how to that you can't be free without voting, 1577 01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,599 Speaker 4: but neither can you be free if you broke, and 1578 01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:35,360 Speaker 4: so teaching people how to manage money, how to save money, 1579 01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:41,920 Speaker 4: how to invest money, how to know the meaning of 1580 01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:50,080 Speaker 4: money to your salvation and survival. That's another issue altogether. 1581 01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:55,280 Speaker 4: But communications is an issue, and. 1582 01:44:56,280 --> 01:45:00,240 Speaker 2: So don't be afraid of doing the dirty work. Embrace it. 1583 01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:03,559 Speaker 2: It is noble work. It's not dirty work, yeah, is 1584 01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:03,960 Speaker 2: that right? 1585 01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:07,920 Speaker 4: That's not only is a noble work. Is is the 1586 01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,320 Speaker 4: kind of work that has to be done. 1587 01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:15,960 Speaker 2: So when when when Charlemagne was doing that internship way 1588 01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,200 Speaker 2: back when, and that in that first radio program, and 1589 01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:22,240 Speaker 2: when people noticed you, that was the dirty work. Absolutely, 1590 01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:25,599 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've done dirty work in your career. You've 1591 01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,200 Speaker 2: always not been both of you and I always been 1592 01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:30,120 Speaker 2: sitting here prime time. You've had to hustle, You've had 1593 01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,240 Speaker 2: to do things and jobs nobody else wanted. 1594 01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:37,639 Speaker 1: I still do the dirty work now, m maybe maybe. 1595 01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,839 Speaker 2: And the work you're doing with with mental health, the foundation, 1596 01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,960 Speaker 2: you're doing the stuff that nobody sees. The conversation that 1597 01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:48,200 Speaker 2: we have that at two in the morning about about 1598 01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:52,719 Speaker 2: life in general, all that's the dirty work. And raising 1599 01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:56,120 Speaker 2: your children is the most honorable version. Raising your pain, 1600 01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,600 Speaker 2: paying school fees like, we've got to be about the 1601 01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:03,080 Speaker 2: basic We got to get back to the basics and 1602 01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:06,080 Speaker 2: be about we and not just about me. That's really 1603 01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:08,599 Speaker 2: who he is. And I spent most of his interview 1604 01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:09,519 Speaker 2: trying to draw him out. 1605 01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:10,920 Speaker 1: This was good. 1606 01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:11,760 Speaker 2: You can see him. 1607 01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:13,440 Speaker 1: This is good. 1608 01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:18,000 Speaker 3: John O'Brien, thank you for bringing this, this, this walking memorial, 1609 01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,559 Speaker 3: this iconic, this icon living. 1610 01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:22,720 Speaker 1: Mister Andrew Young, thank you for coming. 1611 01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:24,439 Speaker 4: Brother, Thank you for having men. 1612 01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:26,720 Speaker 3: That's right, and check out the dirty work of this 1613 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,040 Speaker 3: Friday on What's It's a. 1614 01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:32,120 Speaker 2: Peak ib globally. 1615 01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:36,639 Speaker 4: On MSNBC globally, nine pm, nine pm this Friday. Thank you, brother, 1616 01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:41,200 Speaker 4: thank you, and thank all of your audience. Yes, sir, 1617 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:47,440 Speaker 4: this is a good This is college on the radio. 1618 01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:48,799 Speaker 1: I like that. 1619 01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,600 Speaker 4: That's a word if you didn't have money to go 1620 01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,000 Speaker 4: to college listening, that's right. 1621 01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:58,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. It's the Breakfast Club every day a 1622 01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:02,360 Speaker 1: week ago up, Breakfast Club. We are finished for y're dumb.