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Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports show. We explored

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Speaker 1: the big money issues in the world of sports on

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Speaker 1: Michael Barn I'm Scarlett Phil and I'm Damien Suns. However,

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Speaker 1: coming up on the show today, we take you back

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Speaker 1: to Lynn's sanity stops shot clocking eight clicks to defense again,

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Speaker 1: his teammates don't believe what their city and I like

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Speaker 1: you just heard with the Knicks announcers Mike Breen and

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Speaker 1: Walt Clyde Fraser courtesy of MSG was just the beginning

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Speaker 1: of Jeremy Lynn's unbelievable hot streak back in that we

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Speaker 1: now know as win Sanity. Yeah. Over the course of

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Speaker 1: that nine games stretch, Mr Barr, Jeremy Lynn average something

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Speaker 1: the field. He led his team to some very impressive wins,

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Speaker 1: but none bigger than that win against Kobe and the

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Speaker 1: and that stretch of games made Jeremy Lynn a superstar,

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Speaker 1: not just because of how well he played, but because

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Speaker 1: unknown player to do what he was doing, and especially

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Speaker 1: as an Asian American. That thirty eight point performance at

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Speaker 1: MSG is now the subject of a documentary, thirty eight

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Speaker 1: at the Garden. And to talk to us about Lynn Sanity,

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Speaker 1: the making of that documentary, and about some business ventures

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Speaker 1: involving Jeremy Lynn, a man who broke ground in the

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Speaker 1: NBA here in the United States, we welcome the film's

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Speaker 1: executive producer and founder of hyphen Capital, Dave lou Dave,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Business of sports. Lynn Sanity. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I remember it very well. And I'm watching Jeremy Lynn play,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm an old geezer sports fan. It's like,

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Speaker 1: what Jeremy dad just oh man, I you know that

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Speaker 1: was a special time. Uh. If you're a Knicks fan

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Speaker 1: it's all about, hey, you know what if you're going

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Speaker 1: going to build own houses, like I will fund people

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Speaker 1: deal with this because it's just not fair. And to

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Speaker 1: that's much harder to do than actually just you know,

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Speaker 1: funding other founders who will give others a chance. And

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Speaker 1: it's not just you know, Asians that they'll promote. They'll

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the most important thing to me.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, even the vest for me investing

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Speaker 1: this is eight plus companies, thirty million dollars so far.

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Speaker 1: There are women, Asian American women, because they're also under underestimated,

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Speaker 1: So a lot of this is about seeing underdogs who

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Speaker 1: Um and you know, give him a chance to have

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Speaker 1: that moment thirty eight at the garden. Check it out,

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Speaker 1: folks from the trailer. I love it. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: race home and look at it right now. When I

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Speaker 1: get in the door, it'll take you back. That's that's

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Speaker 1: a love of modern times to be that. That's how

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Speaker 1: old I am. David. I'm sorry, man, that's all good.

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Speaker 1: That's why we made it. That's funny. Dave Lou, you

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Speaker 1: us here at the Bloomberg Business of Sports. We really

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Speaker 1: do appreciate it. Thank you, sir, Thanks for having to

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Dave Lou. He had a story and he

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Speaker 1: And I couldn't help but to think of my mom

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Speaker 1: get in the radio, and they're like, have you lost

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Speaker 1: dad's mouth, he said, you need to go work at

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Speaker 1: in the post office, but it's like, come on, man,

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Speaker 1: it's not here. You speak out loud. You were born

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Speaker 1: for this this. Yeah. They then they made me take

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Speaker 1: out the garbage and I was like, I'm on board

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Speaker 1: with that for me. For me, the big takeaway was,

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Speaker 1: you know, he mentioned it. He mentioned Darryl Morey, who

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Speaker 1: was the Rockets GM of the time, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I remember I remember him saying that Lynn had the

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Speaker 1: fifteen pick out of college, but he never got drafted,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's amazing, you know, and like like

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Speaker 1: I remember that story when Floyd Mary Floyd Mayweather right

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Speaker 1: during during the run in feb he criticized Lynn because

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Speaker 1: you want to be talking about him. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: like he had to content with so much and such

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Speaker 1: a condensed pair of time. Um, you know, I remember

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Speaker 1: the MSG security guard wouldn't let him in the player's entrance, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's pretty it's pretty it's it's pretty awesome that

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Speaker 1: that's retelling the story and and doing it today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he didn't look the part. That's what it came down to.

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Speaker 1: I remember reading and hearing about Jeremy Lynn when he

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Speaker 1: was at Harvard um and all the hoopla around him,

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Speaker 1: this incredible player, and then it kind of just died

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Speaker 1: so it just doesn't carry the same um sense of

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Speaker 1: and then you move on and you do something else

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Speaker 1: was glued to the television every night watching Jeremy Lynn.

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Speaker 1: My kids were cheering for him NonStop. It was such

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Speaker 1: a magical time if you were an Asian American, especially

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Speaker 1: as a mom of two Asian American boys. They loved

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Speaker 1: everything about him, and it was a bit disappointing, I

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Speaker 1: think at time, but now I understand it better that

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Lynn didn't come out and embrace all that. But

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Speaker 1: also he was a kid. He was kind of just

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Speaker 1: taken aback by the amount of attention, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he had to do what he had to do on

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Speaker 1: the court, and you can't do that and be spokesperson

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Speaker 1: for all Asian Americans at the same time as as

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Speaker 1: someone young who had come into like this level of

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Speaker 1: fame so quickly. He just just class just oozed out

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Speaker 1: of him. And and I and I really, you know,

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Speaker 1: I really admire that the way he handled all of that,

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Speaker 1: handled it totally different. Yeah, the NIX is full of

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Speaker 1: stars that do that, right, he was. He was playing

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Speaker 1: you have to just kind of take this for what

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Speaker 1: it is. If if Lynn, maybe if he wasn't of

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Speaker 1: the same opportunities as others, I mean, the talent, the

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Speaker 1: you know, professional, his big knock was that he turned

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Speaker 1: the ball over so much. But that stuff goes away

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Speaker 1: if you had the right opportunities to attend Duke University,

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Speaker 1: you know, or whatever, and you know, had the right

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Speaker 1: coaching at the right formative time in your in your career,

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Speaker 1: you know, he could have been you know, he could

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Speaker 1: have been a pretty long he could have been like

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Speaker 1: Stuff Curry potentially right, Stuff Curry wasn't a big guy

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Speaker 1: coming into the NBA either, So you know, it's all

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Speaker 1: quite interesting and it gets your brain think, thinking in

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Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. And you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was I thought David lew Is spot on and

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Speaker 1: telling the story to that at the Garden. Check it out.

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