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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Okay, welcome back, Kirkpatrick, sale with us. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to your calls in just a moment as well.

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Speaker 1: So how optimistic were you, Kirkpatrick about the future? That

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Speaker 1: was indeed, and I was forced into being optimistic because

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Speaker 1: my editor at the time that you can't uh keep

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Speaker 1: on spitting into the wind. You have to give us

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Speaker 1: some hope. And so I worked very hard to do that,

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Speaker 1: and I saw, I saw even then some hopeful trends. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There was, for example, a boom in backyard gardening. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there was a boom in uh uh communes, there was

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Speaker 1: a boom in a kind of underground way, people doing

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Speaker 1: things differently that suggested some hope. Um, but I have

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Speaker 1: to say that I wasn't absolutely convinced then, and I

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Speaker 1: have since become more certain that these small steps which

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Speaker 1: do do take place. Of course, because people are being

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Speaker 1: our people. They have to try to live out at

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Speaker 1: their scale a life that they want to leave need.

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Speaker 1: But they are a minority, and a minority that does

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Speaker 1: not have sway over a majority. And so what what

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Speaker 1: I thought might happen, uh did not happen. Are people

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Speaker 1: waking up? Are they understanding that this is a problem, No,

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Speaker 1: of course not. Uh, of course they aren't. I mean

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Speaker 1: what what they consider waking up and finding a solution

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Speaker 1: is Donald Trump and uh and hoping against hope. That

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Speaker 1: is no solution as we are finding And as I say,

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Speaker 1: if Steve Bannon had a voice with Donald Trump as

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Speaker 1: he once did, he's pretty quiet these days, isn't as

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Speaker 1: he did in the inaugural speed Sure well, Uh, then

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Speaker 1: there might be a sense that things will change in

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Speaker 1: the right direction. But uh, the the establishment has proven

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Speaker 1: itself too powerful for even Donald Trump to rattle. If

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Speaker 1: they gave more authorities back to the state. And if

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Speaker 1: the Feds just got out of things, would that help?

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Speaker 1: It would help, It would certainly help. Uh, but uh,

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Speaker 1: it would need for the states to have real power

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Speaker 1: to setting their own agenda and not uh, not trusting

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Speaker 1: the federal government to take care of everything for them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at it now, there are

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Speaker 1: the majority of states take money from the federal government

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Speaker 1: in order to survive, and they're quite happy doing that.

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Speaker 1: They don't think about the consequences unless there's something like

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Speaker 1: a national I D. And they they've suddenly realized that

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Speaker 1: you've been giving us money, and now we have to

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Speaker 1: do what you say. We don't want to, but we

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Speaker 1: have to. Uh. The system at the moment is essentially corrupt,

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Speaker 1: so that the states do not have power and do

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Speaker 1: not wish to have power, and they haven't organized their

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Speaker 1: state governments in a way that would allow them to

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Speaker 1: truly have a say over the affairs of their state. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And as long as they will the states themselves beyond

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Speaker 1: the federal teat, they're not going to change in any

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Speaker 1: significant way. That the money come from the center is

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