1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Brian Curtiz. Here are the stories we're 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: following today. The FTC is poised to pause its Microsoft 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Activision Blizzard merger trial and that will open the door 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: to settlement talks. More from Bloomberg's Denise Pellegreeney. 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: This is seen as a huge win for Microsoft in 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Activision as they seek to close the largest ever gaming 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: deal in the US, and sources also tell us the 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: FTC really had to back down and withdraw its internal 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: case because under its own rules, it's expected to do 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: so after losing a last ditch fight in federal court 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: to keep the sixty nine billion dollar merger from taking place. 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: At what's next for the two companies, Watch for Microsoft 13 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: and Activision to try to persuade FTC's commissioners to accept 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: a settlement or drop their antitrust opposition to the deal altogether. 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: Denise Pellegriney, Blueberg Day Breakay Show. 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: In terms of the stocks, Activision Blizzard was flat today. 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Microsoft was caught up in the selling in big tech. 18 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: It traded down two point three percent. Well Blackstone has 19 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: become the first private equity firm to manage one trillion dollars. However, 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: the accomplishment is tempered somewhat by a deal making slump 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: that weighed on second quarter results. Distributable earnings tumbled thirty 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: nine percent to one point two billion dollars, the lowest 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: in two years. Blackstone slowed the pace of new deals 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: as more buyers and sellers struggled to agree on valuations 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: for private assets. Here's Blackstone COO Jonathan Gray. 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 3: This year, you had a lot of concern about where 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: inflation was going, a lot of concern about how far 28 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 3: the Fed would go. You had the banking crisis in March, 29 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: and naturally you see a slow down in deal activity. 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: I think the good news is the. 31 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 4: Tone has improved as we've worked through this quarter. The 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 4: deal market feels like it's unfreezing a bit, so I 33 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: think as people feel better about the overall picture a 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 4: little more certainty, I think we'll see deal volume pickup 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 4: as we move forward. 36 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Blackstone's Jonathan Gray. Private equity firms that grew rapidly during 37 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: the deal feelmaking boom now face more scrutiny from investors 38 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: on how they will weather higher interest rates. Still, Gray 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: says that markets are beginning to recognize that inflation is 40 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: under control. As the fed works to cool the economy 41 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: and bring down inflation. Some leading artificial intelligence companies are 42 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: now expecting to commit to implementing safeguards for the technology. 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: We get that story from Bloomberg's Tom Busby. 44 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 5: Open Ai, the maker of Chat, GPT, Microsoft, and Alphabet's 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 5: Google Unit all expected to voluntarily commit to White House 46 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 5: demands on Friday, pledging to responsibly develop and deploy artificial 47 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 5: intelligence capabilities after the Biden administration warn those companies that 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 5: they have to ensure the technology does not lead to 49 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 5: any harm. But the company's commitments will expire when Congress 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 5: has expected passes legislation addressing those safety issues over AI. 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 5: According to a draft of the White House document tom 52 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 5: Busby Bloomberg Daybreak Asia, the. 53 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: US Senate has adopted in an end mean that blocks 54 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: China from purchasing oil from American emergency stockpiles. The measure 55 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: was added to the must pass National Defense Authorization Act. 56 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: It's sponsored by Senators Joe Manchin and Ted Cruz. The 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: legislation is similar to a bill that passed in the 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: House back in January. It would prohibit the sale of 59 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: US oil from the SPR to any company under the 60 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: control of the Chinese Communist Party Senator Manchin said this 61 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: Senate version also borrows the sale of oil to Russia, 62 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: to North Korea and Iran. The US Senate is hoping 63 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: to finish the bill before the August recess. Taiwan's Semiconductor 64 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: has cut its annual revenue outlook and has delayed the 65 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: start of its Arizona plant until twenty twenty five. That 66 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: story from Bloomberg's Joan Wong, the. 67 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 6: Surprise cut and revenue for this year sends a warning 68 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 6: to investors suggests that despite the boom and ai the 69 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 6: global electronic slum may persist for some time. Add to 70 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 6: that the delay of the plant Arizona project that will 71 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 6: be worrisome for Washington as it tries to establish a 72 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 6: more robust chip industry at home. TSMC chairman Mark leeus 73 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 6: that the company faces several challenges at the US facility 74 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 6: that includes a shortage of skilled workers and higher expenses 75 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 6: than in Taiwan. This still comes on the heels of 76 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 6: TSMC's financial results. The chipmaker now projects a ten percent 77 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 6: fall in sales this year, versus previous guidance for a 78 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 6: single digit decline In Hong Kong, join Wong Loomberg, DA Bragasia, a. 79 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: Few other stories to keep in mind. Will get the 80 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: Japan CPI numbers out this morning. That will be of 81 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: interest for sure. The headline at three point two percent, 82 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: that's the estimate for core. If you strip out energy 83 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: and also food, that's expected to be as hot as 84 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: four point two percent. And we'll be taking a closer 85 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: look at Taiwan Semi as well. Now it's time for 86 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: global news. Russia has intensified its attacks on Ukrainian ports 87 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: and has threatened ships headed there with attack at Baxter 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: has Global News from the nine to sixty newsroom in 89 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: San Francisco. 90 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 7: Ed, Yeah, this a slowly building escalation for sure. Brian 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 7: third straight day Moscow exit of the grain deal you 92 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 7: know three days ago, began reimposing a blockade. UN Secretary 93 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 7: General Antonio Gutera says the attacks have implications that go 94 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 7: far beyond Ukraine. 95 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 8: Hundreds of millions of people face hunger and consumers are 96 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 8: confronting a global cost of living crises, and they will 97 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 8: pay the price. 98 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 7: As well as food supplied diplomatic relations. Russian bombing has 99 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 7: also damaged the Chinese consulate in Odessa. Russia's also warned 100 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 7: ships headed to Ukrainian ports that they would be considered 101 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 7: to be carrying munitions and in danger, and in response, 102 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 7: Ukraine has said that it would consider ships headed to 103 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 7: Russian ports to be carrying munitions and be in danger. Meanwhile, 104 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 7: the US says Ukraine has has begun deploying US supplied 105 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 7: cluster bombs. White House Deputy spokes from When Sabrina Singh 106 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 7: says that Ukraine is. 107 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 6: Committed to use it responsibly, to keep track and record 108 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 6: where they are using it so when this war is over, 109 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 6: they can begin those demining efforts definite escalation. 110 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 7: Though within the past few days, US President Joe Biden 111 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 7: has ordered a working group on how to avoid the 112 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 7: last minute game of chicken over the national debt. Bloombergs 113 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 7: Jonathan Tamara says pressure from the left. 114 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 8: This is something that a lot of more progressive Democrats 115 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 8: had really urged him to do, in something that he 116 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 8: rejected ahead of the most recent that limits standoff, where 117 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 8: they said, listen, we should just get rid of this thing. 118 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 8: Republicans keep holding democratic president's hostage over it, and it's 119 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 8: threatening the credit of the United States. Whenever we get 120 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 8: run into these logjams. 121 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 7: Whether or not it could withstand legal challenges is another question. 122 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 7: China has ordered its largest cities to step up preparations 123 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 7: for future medical emergencies by building leisure and recreational facilities 124 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 7: that can be used for quarantine during a pandemic. It 125 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 7: wants to handle things a bit differently than during COVID. 126 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 7: After praising former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger the 127 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 7: day before, Chinese President Chi Chimping has held a meet 128 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 7: with him, now the first known in the Chinese capital 129 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 7: in more than three years. Kristin Hahn Democratic strategists on 130 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 7: Balance of Power. 131 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 9: That there are different ways that we communicate with foreign governments, 132 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 9: particularly one that's as difficult, as complicated as our relationship 133 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 9: is with China, and you know that could be something 134 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 9: that's happening right now. 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 7: She told Kissinger that China is ready to discuss the 136 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 7: correct way for nations to talk. And let's play jeopardy. 137 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 7: The answer is one point zero eight billion dollars. The 138 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 7: question what is the lottery ticket sold in southern California? 139 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 7: You're going to pay out that. 140 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 3: Lucky player unknown to us to date, one point zero 141 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: eight billion dollars. 142 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 7: Carolyn Becker the lottery says the cash value is over 143 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 7: five hundred and sixteen million before taxes. She says the 144 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 7: lucky winner will have a lot of new friends. He 145 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 7: she they have not come forward. Global News powered by 146 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 7: more than twenty seven hundred journalists and analysts over one 147 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 7: hundred and twenty countries in San Francisco. I'm Ed Baxter in. 148 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg him, Brian Curtis. Let's get to our guest, 149 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: Matt Lloyd, chief investment strategist at Advisors Asset Management. Matt, 150 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: the dial up nine days in a row and the 151 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: laggards kind of having their day. I know you're a 152 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: value guys, so this must be music to your ears. 153 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: Does it continue? 154 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 10: Yeah? I thanks Brian, It's great to be with you. 155 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 10: We think so. I think that the shift has been 156 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 10: in place. But when anytime you have a regime change, 157 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 10: a shift from growth to value, or any international move, 158 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 10: it doesn't go easy into that good night either. It 159 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 10: doesn't go softly. It fights and it battles back and 160 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 10: it usually these patterns take times and years to really materialize. 161 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 10: So we still think it's great. I mean, with a 162 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 10: lot of the risk that's out there, the pricing of 163 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 10: the equities in the growth sector really almost perfection to 164 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 10: next year's earnings. We see a little bit better risk 165 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 10: reward in value, and value doesn't just necessarily mean here 166 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 10: in the US matching up with certain you know, basic 167 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 10: historical price book, price sales, cash blok, but also international, 168 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 10: because international is a very big value play. 169 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that, because I had in 170 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: my notes of something to put to guests this notion 171 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: that the US has all these big companies, important companies 172 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: in AI, cybersecurity, cloud software, you know, mega tech, more 173 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: so than other countries. And if these companies now have 174 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: to take a pause because they've run pretty hard, pretty fast, 175 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: that there might be good opportunities in Europe and in 176 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: other areas like Japan to sort of play ketchup as 177 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: those laggers rally laggers rally. So you mentioned that you're 178 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: looking at some of these other markets. What would be 179 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: chief among them? 180 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 10: Well, I think if you look at even with the 181 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 10: big run up in Japan, you look at Japan as 182 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 10: you know, really about sixteen percent from its all time 183 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 10: highs cording the MSCI Japan Index. You know again that 184 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 10: was set in nineteen eighty nine. For those of US 185 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 10: that can remember trials and tribulations of Japan to now. 186 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 10: This is a long time coming, which is why you 187 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 10: can see the Bank of Japan is really trying to 188 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 10: keep that yield curve control because they like a little 189 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 10: bit of the inflation. Maybe not to the degree they're 190 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 10: talking with the three to four percent on the core rate, 191 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 10: three percent on the regular, but they still feel very 192 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 10: vibrant right now. But you look at every metric in 193 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 10: their index, it's really a price. It's a value, price 194 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 10: to book, price to sales, cashblow generation, steadiness and earnings. 195 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 10: And even in Europe you're seeing the same thing, some 196 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 10: earnings revisions, but it's broad based because the MSCI World 197 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 10: Index is really done fairly well here recently. So we 198 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 10: continue to see when we see pressures on the dollar 199 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 10: up and down and so forth, some of the steadiness 200 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 10: in earnings projections look a little bit better international and 201 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 10: we continue to see a break in the dollar, which 202 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 10: should bode well for many emerging markets. China is probably 203 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 10: the only one right now with the GDP to play 204 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 10: a coming out that's pretty problematic for them because the 205 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 10: consumption level hasn't really taken off for them in general. 206 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 10: When we look at a very balanced portfolio. The values 207 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 10: really in the international play in select sectors in national, 208 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 10: and then the growth sectors really are dominated here in 209 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 10: the US outside of certain individual companies. So just by 210 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 10: that mere fact of having diversification between growth and value, 211 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 10: you're going to probably be steering more international. Yeah. 212 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: Well, the diversification is key because we don't know actually 213 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: if growth is going to correct here. I mean, you 214 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: can have a couple of bad days for sure, but 215 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: you still have the S and P five hundred well 216 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: above the fifty day moving average. I think five to 217 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: six percent above it's fifty day moving average, which is 218 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: a little hot, but there's some room to slide back, 219 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: which would be completely normal and could mean that you know, 220 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: you continue to see the same type of behavior that 221 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: we saw in the first half. Are you thinking about that. 222 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 10: Yeah, we are. We look a little bit more a 223 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 10: longer term and strategic We look at the risk reward 224 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 10: and since we cover a lot of different asset classes 225 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 10: and debt classes, we are always looking at that risk 226 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 10: reward scenario. And the only problem is the AI is 227 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 10: reminds me of the Internet back in the late nineties. 228 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 10: You know, it's a great promise, great hope, but it's 229 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 10: going to take some time to materialize and incorporate, to 230 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 10: regulate and so forth. So I think it's a lot 231 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 10: of fever on that, but it also probably has to 232 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 10: do with the run up in the technology. And two 233 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 10: things everyone's anticipated the pause by the Federal Reserve, which 234 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 10: we think is a little bit premature because inflation is 235 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 10: probably going to be a little bit higher in the 236 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 10: second half than the low print that we just got. 237 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 10: And then secondly, there's been so much cash on the 238 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 10: sidelines that the FOMO investors have kind of come back 239 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 10: into it, you know, and we get that sense where 240 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 10: people are like, I'm not going to miss the boat. 241 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 10: But if you go back in time in history, every 242 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 10: time the Fed is paused, you've seen a market rally 243 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 10: until they actually cut, and if they cut, it's usually 244 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 10: for one reason, and that's usually a recession or demand destruction. 245 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 10: And that is why you start to look at these 246 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 10: little blurbs. And this is a much more exaggerated if 247 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 10: we'd say, bear market rally. But you know, Serge, however, 248 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 10: you're just pricing too much perfection. So again when we 249 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 10: look at it, we're not against growth, and so forth, 250 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 10: we just have dialed it down a little bit and 251 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 10: been more selective, and I think the values it gives 252 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 10: you a little bit more predictability. 253 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: I know you want to buy quality companies, so I 254 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: need to. I mean, I think all investors want to 255 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: buy quality companies, but I want to hear from you 256 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: how you actually define quality. 257 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 10: Number one is cash flow when you're looking at times 258 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 10: like it is now, when you look at higher interest rates, 259 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 10: and the best thing the corporations did was like prolong 260 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 10: some of their maturity profiles in anticipation of higher rates. 261 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 10: I know they didn't expect these kind of rates, but 262 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 10: in twenty six, late twenty five, twenty six, you're going 263 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 10: to start getting some refinancing costs a bit higher, and 264 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 10: that's going to really hurt a lot of the money 265 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 10: that we go investment into capex and so forth. So 266 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 10: when we look at that thing that that measure and 267 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 10: so forth, cash flow right now is what we're looking at, 268 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 10: whether that's high yield on the short run looking two 269 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 10: years and in or in general with companies because they 270 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 10: have a little bit of pricing power, we're looking at 271 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 10: steady margins and earning. But positive cash flow is crucial 272 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 10: right now for both debt and we think equity investors. 273 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think costs. You know, if you look at 274 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: the strikes that we're seeing and some of the requests 275 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: from from workers, you know, the labor cost is continuing 276 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: to go up. Is not going to hit you know, 277 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: earnings in the stock prices, and is it already happening. 278 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 10: It already is happening. If you look at retail sales, 279 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 10: real retail sales are pretty much flat if you take 280 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 10: the inflation, the real cost of it, and really interest 281 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 10: seeing it on some of the consumer sentiment numbers, the 282 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 10: access to credit to you know, basically pay up for 283 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 10: certain things. Now it's very biprocated. You see forty fifty 284 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 10: percent really struggling, and then you're seeing discretionary income still 285 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 10: high for people that have you know, had good jobs. 286 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 10: But even going to your point, the job market, even 287 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 10: the last month, you had a large chunk of the 288 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 10: new jobs where people getting second jobs. 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