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Speaker 1: January tenth, nineteen eighty two, Candlestick Park, San Francisco, California.

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Speaker 2: Joe Montana drive begins on the eleven. They're all the

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Speaker 2: way down to the five. It's third down against the

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys. Joe rolling right in trouble looking for Freddy Solomon.

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Speaker 2: He slipped pump fake. He throws it over too tall Jones.

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Speaker 2: He's dropping back back back. Is that Dwight Clark in

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Speaker 2: the back of the end zone?

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Speaker 3: This is big cats.

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Speaker 2: That's about it. I mean, it was oh fucking amazing.

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Speaker 2: That's why when I write, I gotta write a thing,

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Speaker 2: you know, to which I always do for ESPN tow

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Speaker 2: which I don't usually anymore. But and I got stuck

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Speaker 2: with the score with those guys because it was Friday.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't even thought about it. Like fuck, I got

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Speaker 2: to pick a score and now I can't change it.

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Speaker 2: So whatever I expect somewhere in there, Seattle has to

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Speaker 2: get a one yard run. Not to win the game,

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Speaker 2: that'd be too much. They have to have a one

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Speaker 2: yard runoff right tackle or left tackle. You know why

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Speaker 2: they didn't run it. You know why I asked Pete

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Speaker 2: not to run this yet, Like in April Pete, it's

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Speaker 2: been two months. Run me through this ship, I said.

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Speaker 2: When High Tower stood up Marshawn when they were about

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Speaker 2: to go by the play before, well no, no, well

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Speaker 2: the play was down the third quarter. They were rolling,

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Speaker 2: they had not all their DB's hurt yet offensively they

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Speaker 2: were rolling. They had by seven, and they were at

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Speaker 2: about the fifteen. That could be wrong. Third and one

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Speaker 2: on High Towers stood up Marshall and off tackle and

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Speaker 2: they kicked a field goal. They went up but ten

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Speaker 2: but not fourteen? I said, was that in the back

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Speaker 2: of your mind just a little bit, Well that and there.

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Speaker 1: You remember that way the play right before the play,

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Speaker 1: High Tower got him on the ground on the hole.

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Speaker 4: On that there was like it parted like he's game

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Speaker 4: four but not but he but.

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Speaker 2: High Tower got him down. High Tower was unreal. He was.

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Speaker 1: He was like an old time linebacker. Because the linebackers

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Speaker 1: have changed through my career. From my first got in

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Speaker 1: the league. They were two forty five to fifty. Then

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Speaker 1: now they're hybrid guys that are two thirty that can

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Speaker 1: run faster than me. So he was a hybrid guy

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Speaker 1: where he was two fifty two fifty five and he

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Speaker 1: could still cover ground, you know, and he could plug those.

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Speaker 2: Holes he did. It was one of the third quarter

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Speaker 2: and ice of peace. To remember that he goes a

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Speaker 2: little bit well. Also, I don't think anybody had asked

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Speaker 2: him that.

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Speaker 1: No, the personnel group that he put in, they put

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Speaker 1: in like an ultra ultra run heavy, all all run

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Speaker 1: guys except two defensive backs that were going to be

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Speaker 1: man guys that were Browner and Butler.

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Speaker 2: We never heard of that, never hurt.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we barely heard of him, you know, right, No,

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Speaker 1: But the very first day in training camp, Malcolm Butler,

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Speaker 1: you could tell that he was going to be a ballplayer.

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Speaker 2: He was.

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Speaker 1: He was fearless at the line of scrimmage, and he

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Speaker 1: And then he had a great He had a great

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Speaker 1: got to put their arm up, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: So you naturally drop your speed. And then but he

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Speaker 1: like the play against Curse was an unbelievable play that

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Speaker 1: he had the crazy shaw, but that was an unbelievable

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Speaker 1: play by I was right there.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that story on camera. I was right

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Speaker 2: at the fight because we did prime time right after

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Speaker 2: the game. We're not on the field till like five minutes.

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Speaker 2: But then down there we saw two cheeks in. That's

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Speaker 2: why they rushed, and that they didn't there was no

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Speaker 2: no I said, well, I can say it now. I

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Speaker 2: went to Tommy Jackson. I were standing and go, he

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Speaker 2: fucking caught that Tom, And oh my god, every lip

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Speaker 2: reader just saw. But I was knees down. They never saw.

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Speaker 2: And then I went, he fucking caught that Tom, Like,

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Speaker 2: good to be with it, my buddy.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see. I'm proud of you. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. We ready, I'll start it up

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into it. Welcome to Games with Names Today,

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Speaker 1: we are looking at the name nineteen eighty one NFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game with the catch featured in it with the

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Speaker 1: man who was at the game that called the game

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Speaker 1: called the no He was at the game and he

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Speaker 1: was recapping the game.

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Speaker 2: He was on the field at the game. And we're

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Speaker 2: not talking about Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the one and only Chris Burm Chris

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Speaker 1: Berman Boom, Welcome to the show. In one question or

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Speaker 1: in one sentence, why'd you pick this game?

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Speaker 2: It was almost the start of my career. Juel's good

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Speaker 2: to see you. Goodness as buddy. You know, we've known

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Speaker 2: each other a long time, very long time. I was

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Speaker 2: a young man and I can remember things like it

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Speaker 2: were yesterday. Don't ask me what I had for breakfast today.

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Speaker 2: I'm seventy. Yeah, I was twenty six, then twenty six

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Speaker 2: right there. And there's a lot of other reasons why

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Speaker 2: we picked that game, but it was those guys became

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Speaker 2: and are still my friends because I was their age.

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Speaker 1: That was the players, you guys, you guys were kids.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this was before the Niners were the Niners.

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Speaker 1: This was the jump to what the Niners became. You

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Speaker 1: just started with ESPN and what seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've been there two years. Two years covered

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Speaker 2: the NFC Championship game. My dream, you know, is this

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Speaker 2: the greatest game of all time? Though that's a big

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Speaker 2: that's a big ask. Well that's one of them. I

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Speaker 2: mean historically it lit the match, if you want to

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Speaker 2: put it that way. So as I look back historically,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are other games of that, or you

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Speaker 2: might pick another one, and there's a few. There's obviously

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Speaker 2: quite a few. But yeah, I don't mean quite a few,

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Speaker 2: but there's super Bowls and many of you were in

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Speaker 2: not even talking about the one everyone thinks I would

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Speaker 2: be talking about, like how about the upisode of the

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Speaker 2: Rams which started the Patriots? You know. Like so now,

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Speaker 2: as a history major, not that that makes me so smart,

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Speaker 2: but that's what I studied. Jules had been Brown, you know,

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Speaker 2: So but I'm a football historian. And as I look

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Speaker 2: back at that was the start of the Niners. And

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Speaker 2: we could look back at when the Cowboys started to win,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Rose Bowl they beat the Bills, although

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Speaker 2: that was that was a shorter run but great immaculate reception.

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh didn't win the Super Bowl that year, but that

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Speaker 2: started them. This is all in retrospect now. And obviously

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Speaker 2: you beating the Rams and the Saint Louis Ram's great

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Speaker 2: show on turf, the Patriots that started something, but this

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Speaker 2: started not I'm going to get bigger than that, Bigger

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Speaker 2: than that. Football when I'm in college in the seventies

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Speaker 2: say we Okay. Seventies it was pretty much the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Bowls with the Doomday defense. The Rams were very good.

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Speaker 2: They didn't win any Super Bowl. But this is how

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Speaker 2: it was played. Miami, of course, was undefeated seventy two.

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Speaker 2: That might have had a better team in seventy three,

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Speaker 2: even though they lost two games, and they won two

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Speaker 2: Super Bowls in a row. And then the Raiders. That

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Speaker 2: was kind of it, like think of that type of football.

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Speaker 2: Somebody got nineteen in one of those games. I don't

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Speaker 2: mean like they were boring, but they were. The rules

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Speaker 2: were different. I don't have to tell you. I mean,

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Speaker 4: It was a different game. Good luck to it was

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Speaker 4: a different game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So pointer is here's the Niners eighty one unknown

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Speaker 2: six and ten the year before, playing a six and

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Speaker 2: ten team, the Bengals. Bill watsh Why wasn't the head

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Speaker 2: coach before this? What was the matter? Well, nothing was

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Speaker 2: the matter. Joe montanat Notre Dame quarterbacks, none of them

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Speaker 2: I'm there are a couple that I'm short drifting, but

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Speaker 2: at the time it wasn't. There wasn't Joe Montana yet.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and there weren't a lot of the Notre

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Speaker 2: Paul Horning will, but he really wouldn't. Anyway. We can

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Speaker 2: go on and on. Yeah, Joe Montana, Okay, hey won

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Speaker 2: the Cotton Bowl. Nice. The Niners are terrible, They've been terrible,

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Speaker 2: and there's a new kind of offense. So football at

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Speaker 2: that time was not medieval. This isn't medieval football. I

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Speaker 2: would never call that. I mean that was like you

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Speaker 2: But as that changed, not that everybody ran the rest

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Speaker 2: run the ball in the eighties, see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But nobody had a thought yards that year for the Niners.

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Speaker 2: I think Girl Cooper had like eight hundred yards, but

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Speaker 2: I think he caught ninety passes, is my point? Like

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Speaker 2: I think it.

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Speaker 1: Evolved football offensively one Thousan's that's.

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Speaker 2: Why, that's why is it one of the most important

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Speaker 2: games ever? Absolutely? You know what's the most important game

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Speaker 2: is the Super Bowl? Three would name it. That's important.

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Speaker 2: Was it a great game? No, this was a great game.

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Speaker 1: And this was you know, beating the Cowboys in eighty

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Speaker 1: one coming off of one of the great teams in

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Speaker 1: the seventies. This was the stage for the San Francisco

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers, who were in their thirty sixth year

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Speaker 1: in existence, having sniffed in a championship. Like everything associated

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Speaker 1: with San Francisco was just it was a weird city.

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Speaker 1: This was the start of San Francisco becoming a football town.

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Speaker 2: Correct, except for one little bit in the seventies, seventies,

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Speaker 2: seventy one, seventy two. No, I didn't know all this.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize what it meant to the Niner fans

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Speaker 2: when I came out there, but quickly realized that the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys eliminated him. The only three times they made it

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Speaker 2: to they were in a playoff, once for the West

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Speaker 2: of the fifties, I mean in the cow time ago

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Speaker 2: Cowboys at seventy Cowboys at seventy one title games, and

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Speaker 2: then seventy two Seon Brody was quarterback. He just passed away.

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Speaker 2: They were really good teams, so that was ooh than

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers, that's right there in the league. But

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Speaker 2: And it was. It was a huge change in the game.

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Speaker 1: Jump into that that game, We'll jump into that game.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on, uh, what are your thoughts

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Speaker 2: How fast? First off, it's fresh. Doesn't mean that we

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Speaker 2: I mean the AFC, other than the Bills, the whole

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Speaker 2: Is that true? I don't know, but I just made it.

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Speaker 2: Even though the Pope is from Chicago, so you Chicago.

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Speaker 2: The Bears would have been a long shot too, the Bears.

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Speaker 6: But anytime that is true, anytime Seahawks Steelers two thousand

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Speaker 2: I had not heard that one. So that's where I think.

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Speaker 2: That's why I come do this show, because I learned.

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Speaker 2: How would I know that popes football history? I got

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Speaker 1: Now it makes sense why the guy made the bet.

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Speaker 1: He's from New England, Irish Catholic, saw the Pope thing.

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Speaker 1: Five nice collars, grease seventeen thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Talk about a Hail Mary. Yeah, one all the time,

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Speaker 2: quick break. They're one in one all time in those

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Speaker 2: it's gotta be something more religious than that. This could

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Speaker 2: you and I are out of our league and I

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Speaker 2: don't know. But when you see that smoke coming out

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Speaker 1: I thought that was just for the home or way

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Speaker 2: I don't even know who who is wearring what. I

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Speaker 4: But pats are all way what I thought in the Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: Were all blue. First time that's ever happened. I look good.

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Speaker 2: These are good, good looking, you know, exciting game. Well,

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Speaker 2: here's the thing, it's fresh, so well, we can refer back. No,

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Speaker 2: That is the only we can refer Mike Rabel didn't

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Speaker 2: Great, No, there's not. There's probably a couple of Seahawk

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Speaker 2: You know what, it was second down, I get it.

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Speaker 1: You know, the group that they put in, they had

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Speaker 2: just can't be good.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, I'm sitting there going over my two minute

431
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: drill call sheet, like, man, how many seconds are we

432
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: gonna have here?

433
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: We're gonna have what probably maybe twenty eight it's gonna be.

434
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough. I was thinking that.

435
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: I was thinking, we're gonna have to get maybe a shot.

436
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: We can maybe get a hail Mary, how's grown feeling?

437
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: He'll be our you know, That's what I was thinking.

438
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: Then what pick? That's my line?

439
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: You could say, yeah, exactly, I mean, it was, it was.

440
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: It was crazy.

441
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: I was just and as I told you off camera,

442
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: Curse we're on the field the last four or five minutes.

443
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: Curse caught the ball right here, like right here, the

444
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: moon ball that rustle through, so right here. I said,

445
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: oh my god. Both Tommy Jacks said it with me.

446
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: Both cheeks are in, both feet are in. That's why

447
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: people said, well, I'm not going to look at that.

448
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 4: There's not to look at. I see it that's in, Like,

449
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 4: oh my god.

450
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: They it might go from twenty eight, twenty four New

451
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: England a winner to this. And then here's my memory

452
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: that you will like, here's the story I told very few.

453
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: So in the eight to five minutes, we have to

454
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: get to the field. At some point, I'm the only

455
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: one in America not watching the game because the eight

456
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: minute marking, Hey, we gotta get down to the field. Well,

457
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: there's an elevator and the TV. You gotta you don't

458
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: just run out there and go, hey, here we are

459
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: and and we're going around and this. So all I

460
00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: could hear was the PA announcer. These pass complete to Edelman,

461
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: first down. Brady's pass complete to Gronkowski first down, Brady's

462
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: pass complete to Shane Veren, first down. I didn't know where,

463
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: but that's all I had for three minutes. So I'm

464
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: the only one in America not seeing you guys going

465
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: down the field for your you know set. I just

466
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: got there for the touchdown.

467
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 4: It's weird to give everyone, you know an update.

468
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: At the time, this was the largest fourth quarter deficit

469
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl that was becoming overking right.

470
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: It was an exciting game. He don't even get to watch.

471
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable and it was bigger than that, again historical,

472
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: which was not at the time yet, but as we

473
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: look back, but Joe torre Gre upon Brooklyn, I'm really

474
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: but there's a reason he was as a teenager at

475
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: the greatest game ever played, the Colts and the Giants overtime,

476
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: Johnny uniteds Yankee Stadium and Michi off tackle they win.

477
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: That was called the greatest game, because that brought football

478
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: kind of even up a little. As an overtime game

479
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: on TV in black and white TV at Yankee Stadium

480
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty eight, said Joe, what do you I

481
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: did an interview with him, because he'd like talking about

482
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: other things, obviously, rather than who are you batting? Eighth? Right? So?

483
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: And what right? So? I said, what do you remember

484
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: from that game with Boomer? I was eleven or twelve

485
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: or whatever. We had, you know, bleacher tickets or whatever.

486
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: And he goes, I remember the Yankee Stadium announcer Yankees

487
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: and Giants was an odd guy named Bob Shepherd, the

488
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: greatest voice of all time. I mean, there are others

489
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: that might say there were, but all I can hear

490
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: Unitus is past complete to Raymond Berry, first down Baltimore,

491
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh my god, this is Tom Brady

492
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: being Johnny and iidas because I was seeing nothing give

493
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: me credit for this. And this is kind of that

494
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: to many people, they don't even get it, but it's.

495
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: It's almost refreshing. It almost brought like a nostalgia to you.

496
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know where you you know, you could

497
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: have been at the one you could have been at

498
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: the middle. I mean, here is I see nothing but

499
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: all I hear, Oh my god, he is actually going

500
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 2: to lead another one of these drives. I don't know

501
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: if the clock is, I don't know where the ball is.

502
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 2: I don't know. Hey, we finally got either. It was

503
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: just before you're touchdown. Like so I missed all that.

504
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: I mean, Jesus bad, five minutes to miss. But they

505
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: didn't air lift me in the end of the field.

506
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: So all that's my story of you've never heard that stuff.

507
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. And to the Baltimore Colts. They won

508
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 2: twenty three to seventeen in overtime touchdown. There, yes, the

509
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: Alanimci but it was the greatest game ever played because

510
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: at the time pro football was a secret. They played it.

511
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: People went. Don't get me wrong, the college stuff then,

512
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: but but still not TV, not quite. Baseball was still

513
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: the biggest. This was the that's the first game TV wise.

514
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: That oh, because the Giants had Frank Gifford and Kyle

515
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: Wrote and the Colts of Johnny and Nidas, and I

516
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: assume Mackey was the tight end. But in the end,

517
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: a lot of Hall of Fame. It was Yankee Stadium,

518
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: not just some other players Yankee Stadium, and then the

519
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 2: Uniteds won the next year, and that kind of put

520
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: and by the way, I mean this is ed not

521
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: that you need me to tell you this. The coach

522
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: of the Colts was weeb U Bank. He also coached

523
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 2: Joe Namath and the Jets arguably won the two biggest

524
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: games in the sister of pro football. Who is that?

525
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: Web U Bank? Web U back e w B A

526
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Speaker 2: NK won the two biggest games certainly of that time.

527
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: I know we had the Ice Bowl. I'm going way back,

528
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 2: you know, and Maculate you know, I mean Chuck, but

529
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: he won. He coached, you know, and then he beat

530
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: the team Colo Johnny didn't start at t W three.

531
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 2: He beat the team the United sw was the backup

532
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: and then he's the forty year old guy and he

533
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: won the two biggest games. So that's we're digressing. But

534
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: look that up. That that those two. So that's why

535
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: we say it was just the greatest historic It did things,

536
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: But so did those two.

537
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 5: Summer was a quarterback and Vince Lombardi and Tom Lansey

538
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 5: were the offensive anti yes a quarterbacks for the Giants.

539
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: Yes, one was offense, one was defense, yes, And and

540
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: for the Colts. Yeah, they were there. They were they

541
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: were the two offenses and the Tittle wasn't there yet. Boom.

542
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: Who was your team as a kid? Jets? Jets. But

543
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: I've had to I still smile if they win. My

544
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: dad would be excited. My brother and I went, it's painful.

545
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: Did it change though as you became you know? No,

546
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: the Jets will always be here because I grew up

547
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: you know what, Jewels. Not that I'm a football savant,

548
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: but didn't know at the time. We had season tickets.

549
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: But in the upper deck eight bucks eight bucks a game, okay, sixties, Okay,

550
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: the whole AFL threw John Hadl Lancellworth, Chargers Chiefs not

551
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: as much, but Dawson threw Abe really through Capelletti, George

552
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: Blanda Houston through we threw the AFO Rebels. But in

553
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: the upper deck. And I've told your coach build this,

554
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: I said, I didn't look. I'm not young Bill Belichick

555
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: watching with his father a game film Navy and then

556
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: but I didn't know. I was watching past patterns because

557
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: a lot of twenty yard pass patterns the NFL were

558
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: running off tackle and primarily and I'm watching eleven on

559
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: eleven as a kid. And it doesn't make me so smart,

560
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: but it got me an understanding that if I only

561
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: was watching football on tea, I went to seventy games. Yeah,

562
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: and that's vantage point wood and field level was up high.

563
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: So it was probably like game film you watch, that's

564
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: that's right, you're basically Ernie Adams up there. Well, well,

565
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm not as mysterious.

566
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: Okay, we built a box at the highest point in

567
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: the stadium for Ernie Adams.

568
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: We were up not all the way up out, but

569
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: at Chase Stadium. The planes were right here. Okay, like, hey,

570
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: how's are going? They're Delta. So but I have a

571
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: sawt spot for all the old AFL, meaning San Diego

572
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: Chargers meaning Buffalo part of how I went then, well,

573
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: even Patriots, they were only eight teams. We only had

574
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: eight teams. I liked them all because there are our league,

575
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: even the Raiders, who that was a rivalry with Joe

576
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: I mean they broke his chin, Ben Davidson did. I

577
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: mean they you know, And but we liked all of

578
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: those teams just because they were the AFL. We were

579
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: sixties guys, you know, man, Now you know the game

580
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: we talked about religious there it is there. It is

581
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: now we're getting way off, Pat, But I can't do that.

582
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: Where were we? Back to Joe Montana? No, no, but

583
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: back to wherever you want to go your show.

584
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: This game, this super Bowl being in San Francisco or

585
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: Santa Clara, now it doesn't have the same But who

586
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: do you got in this game? Let's just go, let's

587
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: just get this out of the way. Okay, Seahawks, Pats,

588
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: who do you got? I won't be shocked if it

589
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: goes either way. I will give you the answer. But

590
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean, because how could we be one seventeen and three,

591
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: one sixteen and three.

592
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: Well they interlea your schedule. Well they no, none of

593
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: that matters none. They know how to win it. Shadows

594
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: won like nine in a row and New England has

595
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: lost one game since the end of September. So I

596
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: don't care how you win. You win, you know better

597
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: than me. You win, you're expecting to win. You don't

598
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: know how. Oh we're going enforcement a fumble recovery in

599
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: a punt, that's how we win. Oh we're gonna kick

600
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: a sixty two years Oh my quarterback's gonna throw a bomb.

601
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: I don't know New England's defense is better than we

602
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: think because they've out defense three good defensive teams in

603
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs. As you know, you know the Chargers a

604
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: good defense, obviously denverthe less and they beat me and

605
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: you could say where they had a backup court. So

606
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: what New England didn't fumble the ball at all after

607
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: a two games of not the cleanest for clean you know,

608
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: and and the game before was Houston where May got

609
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: sacked a million times. Because those guys are really good,

610
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: They're happened to be really good. And so New England

611
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: defense there's got to be a chip on their shoulder,

612
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: don't you think, Like we're still talking about Seattle's Well,

613
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: it was the best defensive football. I will say that.

614
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: Now there you go to New England. I'm not saying, well,

615
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: therefore New England's no Seattle's branded defense. I've been watching

616
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: it all year, except against the Rams in very early

617
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay when Tampa was going to the Super Bowl

618
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: and Shadow they weren't this yet, like in mid October,

619
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: you're not this yet, no, right, still learning each other. Yeah,

620
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: so they're all hitters, all levels, unlike the Lesion of

621
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: Boom as you know, which were built from the back front.

622
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: Although Bennett and April and the guys that from were

623
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: really good, nobody's saying, yeah, they only have defensive bag

624
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: or Bobby Wagner. How's that going? Like? He was pretty good? Right,

625
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: So this is built from the front. If you look

626
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: at stat sheet and a lot of Seahawk games this year.

627
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: Last year he had a bigger standout year stat wise,

628
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: but as you know, stats sometimes rescued. Yes, oh, Leonard

629
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: Williams one tackle, he must not have done anything. Yeah,

630
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: but he threw two people over his shoulder every place,

631
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: so he made the tackle, right, So a lot of

632
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: times you're going we had one he didn't have a sack,

633
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: didn't have a sack. He had three guys on him.

634
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: So that front, and they used six ersa his father

635
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: in law. I know, I know, it's just I only

636
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: found that out within the last moment. That's crazy. That

637
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: brings the game to San Francisio. Ernod Showan's the middle

638
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: linebacker's a really good player, and some of the guys

639
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: whose names. Here's the thing. I'm giving a long answer

640
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: to it. But if you go even beginning of January,

641
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about beginning of October game in January,

642
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: as the average fan, give me six Patriots and give

643
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 2: me six Seahawks. Name them. Uh, well, I can name

644
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, okay? Uh the Walker guy man, guess Walker,

645
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: the JS I kind of heard of him, well, I

646
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: mean really led the league in yards defense him and

647
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: worry who guys, guy's a stud by the way, Witherspoon.

648
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: I heard Patriots. Well, then they pay a lot of

649
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: money for Milton Williams. I kind of remember him at

650
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. He was good. He's that booty guy.

651
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean who we certainly know Stefan Diggs, and we

652
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: know Hunter Henry, I guess, but who we don't know? Right,

653
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: That's that's the beauty of this gime. You name me

654
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: six on January first. If you're a football fan, not

655
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: a fantasy where you know, well, you're not going to

656
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: know that the strong safety if you're a fantasy football

657
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: not the Cowboys. So so cow Boys. Yeah. So in

658
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: the end, Seattle's there because of their defense, not the

659
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: New England is not. You know, you allow you know,

660
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: New England's allowed no points in the playoffs, three to

661
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: the Chargers and seven to the Broncos. I mean two

662
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: of the three games. Like hell oh, Shattle allowed some

663
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: points to the Rams, which I'm sure that in New

664
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: England that Josh is looking at because whatever the Rams did,

665
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: we got to do that because nobody else did anything right.

666
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: That's part of it. I think Donald and May will

667
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: both play pretty good games, but does one not. The

668
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: chances are they both might not be the best in games.

669
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: This is a big stage, huge stage. I picked twenty

670
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: six seventeen Seattle because I had to pick one. Like

671
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: the end of last week, I hadn't really thought of

672
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: the score yet, so now I'm stuck with it. I

673
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: just think in all phases, although New England is a

674
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: punt returner dear to your heart, and Seattle certainly just

675
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: pun and kick returner. New England has rookie kicker, young

676
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: punter is your rookie too. I don't think his first

677
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: year what's his name? Well, Borg is the kicker, the punter.

678
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: But Seattle has veteran kicker Myers and maybe the best

679
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: punter in football. Don't even look at all the stats

680
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: of the Australian guy Dixon. And why are we talking

681
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: about punters.

682
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: Well, if it's close field position in defense, that's what

683
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: these teams are both built like, so he's really good.

684
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: Just remember that when you watch it again. I'm not

685
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: telling you, but to those those Stones, like the Rams

686
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: had special teams problems, well in the end it killed them, right,

687
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: So I just think all levels, all three set all

688
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: levels of their defense. They're gonna be hard to score

689
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: on barring turnovers. Can New England get to twenty, I

690
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 2: don't know. Can Seattle get to twenty? I think so,

691
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I'm not right. I'm not wrong

692
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: in New England ones. I will not be flabbergasted because

693
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: here's the one thing I knows about New England in October,

694
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: even when they made a tackle, I think I said this.

695
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: I watched the games with Booger Jules. So they made

696
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: the tackle, but the three guys standing right there, like

697
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: their defense is never at of place. Rabes and the

698
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: staff core and you know the whole staff. Yeah, Seattle,

699
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: they're rarely out.

700
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: Of place, very very I mean, both these teams you

701
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: don't see big plays on they're and so.

702
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: But JS digs is really good, JSN he hasn't been

703
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: covered yet. What do you see in him? Because I

704
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold told me interview probably running this week that

705
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 2: I did when I went up to Seattle two weeks ago.

706
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: He's got the best body language of a receiver I've

707
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: ever seen. I don't even know what that means. Yeah,

708
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: from a quarter.

709
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: At them, Tom, I mean Tom broke it down in

710
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: one of those games that he had with him that

711
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: you know. JSN does a great job of keeping his

712
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: pad level the same by body language. Anytime he cuts

713
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: in a zone or something, it's decisive and the quarterback

714
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: always knows or you know, when he gets on the

715
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: toes of a defender in when he's running a man route,

716
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't drop his weight like his shoulders don't drop.

717
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: That's how the defensive back breaks when they see body language.

718
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: They could they they are the smartest people. When they

719
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: see figure anything's fishy, they're breaking. He does a great

720
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: job of staying smooth and staying on the same plane

721
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: so he could cut and make everything look the same.

722
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: That's when that's what the quarterback means. When when they

723
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: say he's got great body language, he got good.

724
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: You know he's he.

725
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: He always showed like that's what they're always showing. Interesting,

726
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: it's it's the pad level. Because a lot of the receivers,

727
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: you get your toes over, you know your knees, and

728
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: that's that's when you break down. And that's when the

729
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: guys are breaking. He can just go and stop and

730
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: cut and you can't tell. That's what they mean by

731
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: great body language.

732
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: Almost undred yards unreal, unreal. Year it was quiet.

733
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break a little

734
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: bit in the in the postseason. Had a big game

735
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: last week when Sam had his big game. I mean,

736
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: look that that's a that's a good call. When when

737
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: did you make Like you've been in this whole picking

738
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: game for for as long as anyone, when did you

739
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: make like do you feel uncomfortable that you made that

740
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: pick with so much time left till the game? But

741
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: you have to do it because this is this is

742
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: your this is you, this is what you do. But

743
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: like what goes into making your pick? The research and

744
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: know all that, And do you ever think that you

745
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: change your pick from when you do it because you're

746
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: talking about it maybe a week and a half before

747
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: the game. Do you ever feel like, man, I wish

748
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: I I I wish I would have put a couple

749
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: more points on that other side.

750
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: Like why didn't I see that Philadelphia was going to

751
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: be that monstrous on defense last year. But then again,

752
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: I was always going to pick the Chiefs anyway, so

753
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: what so, but I got all the others right before,

754
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 2: like exact spread, exact team winning, you know the three before.

755
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: Look nobody, that's a thousand, okay. So I used to

756
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: go to all the media days. Now it's different and

757
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: I don't cover it that way. Sometimes sometimes i'd get

758
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: a feel on a team, so I always had a

759
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: black slate, and I never made that. I picked a

760
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: Friday of the Super Bowl. Sometimes you feel a team tight,

761
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: even though they put on a good front. Something I

762
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: didn't like, and I was already like wondering. You couldn't

763
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: be like, oh, they're gonna win and then well they're

764
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: all nervous. Occasionally I get a gut feeling on something,

765
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: just so you know, no analytics from me, Okay, they

766
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: can help you. The Boomele learned a lot on the

767
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 2: show Pope's boom Olymics. I just think Seattle has less

768
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: question marks than the Patriots, and I don't think, Oh,

769
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: I wish I knew that Diggs was going to catch

770
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 2: twelve from Drake May, whose deep ball is on intermediate

771
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: deep ball. Great. Great, how you lead the league in

772
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: percentage and average yards and attempt does not happen? You

773
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: know that. You know that, So it's like, whoa. I

774
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: just think they have less question marks to me going

775
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: into the game. By the way, then they kick it

776
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: off and then we'll see what happens. So you're going

777
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: to make a pick. But you got to pick the Patriots.

778
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: However you do it. You don't have to.

779
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to. I think I am picking the Patriots, though,

780
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: I'll make my pick. I think Patriots twenty twenty four

781
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: to twenty Okay, Milt Williams Barmore in the middle of

782
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: that pocket. When does Sam Donald struggle when he has

783
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: pressure in the middle of the pocket? I know, but

784
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: like that's like how you get to Sam you know.

785
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald? Well, who wasn't there Rams, But that type

786
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 2: of play.

787
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: That kind of that type of player. Milt Williams. They

788
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: paid him a boatload of money. He's been doing a

789
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: boatload of things in these playoffs. Christian Gonzalez, you know

790
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: you got a really good secondary guy. I can see

791
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: them putting Davis on on JSN and having help over

792
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: the top.

793
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: So you got to double there.

794
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: And then you put Christian gonzalez Is on Cooper Cup

795
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: and say you're going wherever he goes. So then you're

796
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 1: taking their two best players out of the past game.

797
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: If the Patriots can get the Seattle Seahawks to be

798
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: in drop back pass game, not off their play action,

799
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: not off their run game, if they can make it

800
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: a one dimensional game, I think the Patriots have a shot.

801
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, Drake May has to have

802
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: his best game of his career.

803
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: He has to.

804
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what this game is, that's what this

805
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: team needs. And I have confidence in Josh McDaniel's having

806
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: two weeks to prepare, who's been in nine of these games.

807
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: This will be his ninth game of calling plays in

808
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: this game, which none of those coaches over there know

809
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: how to do that. This is a different game. This

810
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: is a rhythmless game. There's spurts of rhythm in this game.

811
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: There's long timeouts, there's long halftimes. There's an energy abundance

812
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: like storage system that you need to learn, like learn

813
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: and know how to save and play. Callers can do

814
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: that with how they they play a call. I believe

815
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: there will be a few trick plays. We haven't seen

816
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: any trick plays from the Patriots. You know, you don't

817
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: have had weather.

818
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: You don't want to call them that weather, right, I can't.

819
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 4: So, you know, a big play and special team.

820
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: The only reason I go Patriots is because I think

821
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: the Patriots Seattle can can out tough you with their

822
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: complementary of their what their team is. You can't do that.

823
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: You could do that against the Rams, They've been struggling

824
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: all year with special teams. You knew something was gonna

825
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: you knew that was going to be their their way out.

826
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: You could do that with a forty nine ers team.

827
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: You can.

828
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: You can bully a team that probably shouldn't have been

829
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: in the playoffs because of the roster they have, but

830
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: because of the great coaching of Kyle Shanahan and Sola

831
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: this year, they overachieved, you know what I mean. So

832
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: you could you can embarrass a team like that. I

833
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: don't think you could do that with a Patriot team

834
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: that has people that have been in this situation that

835
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: I've had play callers in this situation, that have a

836
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: team that everyone's been picking against. I think it's just

837
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: all shaping into that one Patriot feeling where they were

838
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: fourteen point spread. It was a fourteen point dogs, I think,

839
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: and I just feel Drake's gotta have that game. And

840
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: the Milt Williams bar More in the middle of the pockets.

841
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: It's very good. I could see that. See now that

842
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: you're bringing that up, Yeah, well, I could easily see

843
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: that because they're young guys in the middle. There's a

844
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: rookie although the Patriots of rookies on the line. That

845
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: the kid that drafted of North Dakota for you is

846
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: the first round pick, Zabel, but he's a rookie against

847
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: those guys that I could see that.

848
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: Happen rookie, and you've got two rookies on on the

849
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: line for the Patriots. The thing is why I trust

850
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: I trust josh on how he's gonna call the game.

851
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna see a million screens just slow Lawrence and

852
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: the boys down.

853
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: Yep.

854
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna see a bunch of reverses to get him

855
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: to spread the field out, make him have to cover

856
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: every square inch of the field. And then once that happens,

857
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna see Romandre Stevens. Romandre Stevens up those middles,

858
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: and then everyone's gonna have to come in and you

859
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: play action with Drake. You have that thief for robber

860
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field who usually is trying

861
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: to take over those those zones and stuff to stop

862
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: the passes. Well, now they got to look at Drake

863
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: may because if they don't, he's gonna run forty.

864
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

865
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: I think he hasn't played his best game. And I

866
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: understand why the spread is the spread, but I just

867
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: have a feeling two weeks to prepare with Josh McDaniels,

868
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna have his game of his life.

869
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: You ever play football, because you should to know something

870
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: about it.

871
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: A couple couple games, a couple of quarterback, right, it

872
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: was quarterback at Kent State.

873
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: I know, all right, but you don't have to tell me.

874
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 2: Let's jump back in. Yeah, we better get to this game.

875
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: When the game game took place, we go over some

876
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: of the pop culture and we talk about what was

877
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: going on around life. This game took place January tenth,

878
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, number one movie Sharky's Machine.

879
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: You ever see that boom? I have not. You would

880
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: think I would. I'm looking at this now, this is interesting.

881
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: We all know this number one song Let's Get Physical

882
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: by Olivia.

883
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: I loved her. That was like, it's my first crush. Grease,

884
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: we all did.

885
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: She was a babe Raiders at the Lost Arc was

886
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: in there, Reds were in the Boss?

887
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: Were you a movie guy? Yeah? That's yeah.

888
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 4: Ozzy Osbourne bit off the bat.

889
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that did happen des Moines. I didn't know

890
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: it was in des Moines. Wasn't at that one? All right?

891
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: And I didn't have upper decked sheets at that one

892
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: in des Moines? Okay? Oh? Ken Anderson was the up

893
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: for the Hall of Fame. We don't know yet.

894
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: Niners Supermarcus was Heisman Marcus Mark Alan Heisman and drafted.

895
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: By the way, what was your Marcus Allen? Uh? Nickname? Well,

896
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if I have one for him, but

897
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: you know, still one of the great Super Bowl runs

898
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: of all time against the Redskins.

899
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 4: And then he goes back to the big somber then

900
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 4: he comes back.

901
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: Oh god, that put that game away. I mean, this

902
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: is good. Hey, look this was eighty one who did

903
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: the Niners. They had a band hold on It's Coming

904
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: Coming halftime. They ran it about halftime. This is before

905
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: they had a halftime shows the championship games like the

906
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: back of a flatbed. I could get this wrong because

907
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: I didn't look this up to make sure I'm right.

908
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: Hold on, it's coming Rolodex. I don't even know if

909
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: you know the Bay Area band the Tubes. Did they

910
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: play halftime? You don't even know who they were. They

911
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: had a couple, I mean, Hugheie. No, Hughie was at

912
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: the game.

913
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 4: But what was life like for you in eighty two?

914
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: You're twenty you're twenty six years old.

915
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: I have no clue. Still not married yet, not parent

916
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: yet obviously, And really, ESPN, we've only been in business. Well,

917
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: let's see fall of seventy nine. So fall, so two

918
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 2: and a half years. I'm on a five day trip

919
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 2: on the company's dime to San Francisco. Oh really, you

920
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: don't do this. We're cable man, you know we don't. So,

921
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: and I'm at the NFC Championship. It's a Dallas Cowboys.

922
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: The forty nine is my favorite city because I'm the

923
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: San Francisco Giants. Would would take another hour to go into,

924
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: which we won't. You grew up in Connecticut, you like

925
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: the San Francisco Giants. Have you heard of Willie Mays.

926
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: All right, I've explained that I was seven years old.

927
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: He's my guy. He's still my you know, he passed.

928
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: I kept my team because that's what you did when

929
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: you were seven eight years old, your baseball team. You

930
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: just keep them. So even though they were three thousand

931
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: miles away. But what was life like? It was all right?

932
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: So let me tell you a story of that drive.

933
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: Back in the day, there weren't that many mini mini

934
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: camp they were actually heavier or bigger. This that cameras

935
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: on the field so we could go and shoot the

936
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 2: second half. And I went down with my producer Tom Riley,

937
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: my cameraman Greg Wade. We shot half from up front,

938
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: up top, and then half from down below. So now

939
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: you're the Niners. They're on the eleven for something to

940
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: go or shooting this and it's like a dream like

941
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: the Niners. They they're down twenty seven to twenty one.

942
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: It's fricking Randy White. There's two tall jones as Harvey

943
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 2: Martin or Tom Landry and Drew Pearson. Oh by the way,

944
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 2: Tony dor Sat you've heard of them, right, And they're

945
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: driving this unknown team who would at the best record

946
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 2: in the NFC all year, even though they were underdog,

947
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: like even the December in games like they stink, they stink,

948
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 2: Oh they wont they stink? You know it's one of those.

949
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: Now they're the twenty five with two show throws. A

950
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: pass to Freddy Solomon, got rest of fred got a

951
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: college quarterback like Tampa. Look, Tampa, you'res of Tampa when

952
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 2: they have football. How about that?

953
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 4: Wow, he was a beast. He was a good four

954
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 4: his time.

955
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: He was a good player. They do it to Freddy Solomon.

956
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: But I'm field level, like I right about even with it,

957
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 2: and I just see three white shirts Dallas. I turned

958
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: to my producer and I go, well, I guess it's

959
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: not gonna work. I see one get up, Charlie Waters

960
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 2: with one of them. I think it was the last

961
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: game Charlie ever played, one of the great safeties of

962
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: all time. Another middle linebacker gets up, and Freddy's at

963
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 2: the bottom of the twelve with the ball. I grabbed

964
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: my producer, one of my best friends still to this day,

965
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: Tom Riley, but he says, I've never seen you like this,

966
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: almost exorcism. I grabbed him by the shirt and I go,

967
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,479
Speaker 2: they're going in. I don't believe it. They're going in

968
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: and then I think an incomplete pass, then the run

969
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: to the I've right at our feet, and then the

970
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: catch and place exploded. But it wasn't over. It wasn't

971
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 2: over because Danny White completed it pass to Drew Pearson,

972
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: and had they had the college tear away jerseys of

973
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: the day, Eric Wright would have ended up with like

974
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: some fabric, but pulled them down on the next play

975
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: was a sac phone them. The place erupted and then

976
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: you'd see my stand up, which you've seen eight million times.

977
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: I had one shot to do it. It's like you,

978
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 2: I have to make the catch now because the play

979
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: would be over. No, here they come, here they come.

980
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: We got fifteen second, three to one, bah blah, and

981
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 2: you know then we had one shot, one for one,

982
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: one for one. You know you've seen it. But that

983
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: was my that was boom, that was my Well, it

984
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: had to be. Well, had you catch I mean, I

985
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 2: know you cut a million, how do you make some

986
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: of your catches? Because I had to because I had

987
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 2: because it's it's coming right now and I can't drop this.

988
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: I mean, we do drop it. But so that's my

989
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: memory of the drive after the game nine turnovers in

990
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: this nine six. San Francisco made six turnovers. Dallas May three.

991
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: Joe was picked three times like it was, but lead

992
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: changes six times. So here you go. Tom. Now I'm

993
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: a kid. I won the Niner locker room. I was

994
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: friendly with all of them, so I got everybody. I

995
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: talked to everybody and Joe, Bill Wall, Shady, De Bartlow, Freddie.

996
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: I mean we can go on around round round Dallas.

997
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: I got every Tom Landry. It's Tom Landry. First time

998
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: I ever david him was the NFC Championship came the

999
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: year before the first one I ever covered and I

1000
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 2: lost at Philadelphia. I get every Tom Hendry again, not podium,

1001
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, SoundBite from Tom Landry because I've seen

1002
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: the piece a lot of time since it was this

1003
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: one of the best games you've ever been involved with.

1004
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: I'm not saying why didn't you punt? You know it's

1005
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 2: not one of those Tom Landry. No, but I couldn't

1006
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: have a more exciting game. I mean all the lead

1007
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: changes in this like this is Tom Landry after a

1008
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: devastating loss. Class you know, of the twenty six year

1009
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: old guy that you might have we met once or twice,

1010
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: but he's not worried about Chris Berman. After the we

1011
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: lost on this, well, I couldn't have more exciting game

1012
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: for football, but best game? No? And then of course

1013
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: not what a class answer. That's my Tom Landry store.

1014
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean that was that that was a different time.

1015
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: Could Yeah, what if you ask coach Belichick right after?

1016
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: Well, I can answer that was this one of the

1017
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: best games you've ever seen? No? Might have waited three

1018
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: seconds more, hold on, just one of the best games

1019
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: you ever seen. Let me give you the look no, no,

1020
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: and not looking away looking for the next question. I'm

1021
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: looking at you like, why would you ask me we

1022
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: love Bill? I mean we ought to say that, you

1023
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: know they love Bill and I what I mean. But

1024
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: you had to know what you were going into, you know, like,

1025
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: as a football player, we're not able to run up

1026
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: the middle. Well, then don't run up the middle.

1027
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, what do you remember about this specific Cowboys team?

1028
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: The aura still the aura, But we talked about the

1029
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 2: history a little. The next year they were in the

1030
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: championship game at Washington at RFK, and that was the

1031
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: end of them, Gibbs of the Landry Cowboys. Not the end.

1032
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: He coached for the decade, but two they lost championship games.

1033
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: They were great, they could have won them all. But

1034
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: we look back as the Niners this and West Coast offenses,

1035
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 2: Dallas twice champions twice lost epic Super Bowl the Pittsburgh

1036
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: you know, not that long ago. It was the end

1037
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: of them coming. And you didn't know it at the

1038
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: time either. Yeah, so it was something beginning, something at

1039
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: the end. It just you didn't know. But look back

1040
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: and it was. That's why that game was epic on

1041
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: both sides. I mean, can you just tell us how

1042
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: good Tony Dorsett was funny, Randy? Randy Moss asked me

1043
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: the one year we worked together. I mean, we're still

1044
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: good buds and all, but he asked me and Tommy Boom,

1045
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: you know, I don't. I don't really remember him. Tell

1046
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: me about him. I've heard, but I never watched Eddy.

1047
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 2: You're going to West Virginia. He's not glued to TV

1048
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: like even some. He ran light. Tony Dorsett ran light Ballerina.

1049
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 2: He wasn't even the pure wests of Barry, but he yes,

1050
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: he ran light and we all seen that ninety nine

1051
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: yard run where at the twenty where he had eighty

1052
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: yards ago. It was over right, like he could run.

1053
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: But he was not a track star. But he he

1054
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: ran light like Emmett, a little Emmett for guy that

1055
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: gained the most yards in history. And Tony is in

1056
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: the top. I don't remember them getting nailed a lot.

1057
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: You're running back, you're gonna get nailed some right. I

1058
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: don't remember them getting nailed a lot. Emmett for sure,

1059
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: you remember. But because he was playing Tony. It wasn't

1060
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty degree turns like Barry, but he

1061
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: just on he ran light. That fair it is. And

1062
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: then Randy watched some film with them and go, boom,

1063
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: you guys had it. And Dommy went, look, I had

1064
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: to try to tackle him. You know, Tommy played for Denver.

1065
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 2: It was different than trying to tackle Earl Campbell or

1066
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: Tommy was still like this, like yeah, but but but

1067
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: Tony dr said ran light. And of course Harold did

1068
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: college player Pitt he was he was really good. Was

1069
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: too tall, too tall? He was six to eight. He

1070
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: wasn't he six eight? Yeah? I mean, and legend goes

1071
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: and I read it again preparing for this, because you know,

1072
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't remember everything Joe Pump faked on the catch

1073
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 2: to Dwight Clark, and too Tall left his feet by

1074
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: the way, so that made him like Will Chamberlain, shack right.

1075
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: And as he was coming down, then Joe threw the

1076
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: pass although he still really couldn't see. But too Tall

1077
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: had come down the Pump fake, it might have been blocked.

1078
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: Might not have this conversation. And you know the guy

1079
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: whose name we've admitted and all this is who became

1080
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: of all of those players, My best friend Clark from

1081
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: that team, all right, we lost to Yeah, lost to Als,

1082
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: and he went up pretty high.

1083
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: He did, Jackie give us a breakdown on a quick

1084
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: breakdown on both these teams were.

1085
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: Just a quick run through the Cowboys year twelve and four.

1086
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 7: Tom Landry, of course coaching this team, as we alluded

1087
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 7: to earlier, coming off a championship round loss against Dick

1088
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 7: for Meals Eagles the year before. Five out of six

1089
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 7: seasons they went the NFC East one eight of their

1090
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 7: last nine, top ten scoring offense, topton scoring Evans, four

1091
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 7: Hall of famers. In that locker room, Tony Dors said,

1092
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 7: who we just talked about? Steve Wright, Randy White, Tom Landry,

1093
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 7: Danny White under center. You may remember him from the

1094
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 7: Memphiths Southman of the World Football League. If you guys

1095
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,959
Speaker 7: are World Football League fans out there, guy Arizona State, Yep.

1096
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 7: This was a heck of a Cowboys team. And then

1097
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 7: give us these Niners, real quick run through the Niners,

1098
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 7: real quick. Thirteen and three, coming off a year where

1099
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 7: they went six and ten. The year before that two

1100
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 7: to fourteen, third year of the Bill Walsh era, first

1101
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 7: winning season in five years, first playoff season and nine years,

1102
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 7: first year that Joe started all sixteen games. You may

1103
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 7: remember the year before that, splitting with Steve de Berg.

1104
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 7: And this was really the season, the birth of the dynasty,

1105
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 7: Ronnie Lott's rookie season, Joe Montana, Fred Dean, Bill Walsh,

1106
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 7: Ronnie Lott all would going to be Hall of famers.

1107
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break. Notable who

1108
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: are their first three draft picks? Ronnie Lott one right,

1109
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: two two or three. Eric was and it was either

1110
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: or three two in the second round, and then the

1111
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: third was Williamson. All defensive backs that came of which

1112
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: well not even that, I mean it literally changed the

1113
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: whole defense. I read a story where Seaffert and another coach.

1114
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: This he was like, it was Seaffert, these three rookies

1115
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: and another coach, and he like walked them through like

1116
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: this is how you are a pro. Okay, we're gonna

1117
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: get up, We're gonna run you through the streets of

1118
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, Redwood City or whoever they were working at

1119
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: that time, my hometown, and then we're gonna go do this.

1120
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you how to watch film. But it

1121
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: just goes to show you that the San Francisco forty

1122
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: nine er teams they always talked about with these unbelievable offenses,

1123
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: but George Seaffer and that defense with these three rookies

1124
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: may have propelled this team to what it needed to.

1125
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: Be to be the dynasty. Untalked about all of those

1126
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: teams that won, all those Niners teams, even the one

1127
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: in ninety four which was a little bit different, but

1128
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: four in the eighties and Bill McPherson was the defensive coordinator.

1129
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: George there, Mike Holmgren a couple of years and not

1130
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: eighty one wasn't there, but it was a quarterback coach

1131
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: and became offensive coordinator with Seaffert. Yes, but the defense

1132
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: names that you wouldn't necessarily know. But I told you

1133
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 2: before we went on. They were one of the first

1134
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 2: to do the six or seven man wasn't a clean rotation,

1135
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,439
Speaker 2: but they played six or seven up from fresh even, yes,

1136
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 2: fresh even if they would play one fourth of the place. Well,

1137
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: you're taking him off the field for this, yes, because

1138
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: we need this guy in the fourth quarter. That was

1139
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: unheard of at the time, steal curtain. I will to

1140
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: take Joe Green out for a series. Yeah, I don't

1141
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: think so so, and maybe you wouldn't take him out,

1142
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: but you get my point, right, So they had a

1143
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 2: guy and no not on that That team was a

1144
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: lot of unknown, a lot of unknown. Dwayne Board was

1145
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 2: a good player when into coaching. I mean I could

1146
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 2: go on around around, but they were not defensively in

1147
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: retrospect the eighty one team. By eighty four they had

1148
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: they're fifteen to one. They had established more a lot

1149
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: of those guys who just mentioned, but they had a

1150
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: few different But that eighty one team, there is some

1151
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: similarity to New England, Like they had a couple of

1152
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: pieces in retrospect, but who Jack Reynolds in the middle,

1153
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: Hacksaw from the Old Ram but he wasn't the player

1154
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: that he was in the in the late seventies, but

1155
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: he was a really good player. I don't know that

1156
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: New England has that, but there is some similarity.

1157
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: They said he was like the x'es and o's guys.

1158
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: That would explain it to everyone. They said that guy

1159
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: Hacksaw Reynolds.

1160
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: Yes, Haackshaw Reynolds.

1161
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: He was an absolute savant when it came to like football.

1162
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: So he was like one of their almost like a

1163
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: green doc guy on the defensive line, meaning like he

1164
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: was helping all these guys, Hey, we're gonna go here.

1165
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 2: That's what middle linebackers did. They really were quarterbacks. Yeah,

1166
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: not to say that none of them are now. I

1167
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: mean Jones calls the green dock guy for the Seahawks,

1168
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 2: but I mean we grew middle linebacker was you knew

1169
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: all of them in the sixties seventies, and so he

1170
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: was a seventies middle linebacker. Like I mean, nobody was

1171
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: Dick Buckets or Ray Nitchki, your names that you know,

1172
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 2: and there were others that I could go back before,

1173
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: but you knew the name who's the middle linebacker of

1174
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: that team? Oh the colt said Mike Curtis he's a

1175
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: good player. Oh the Falcons, Tommy Nobles, No, he's really good.

1176
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: So they That doesn't surprise me that he had to

1177
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: know because there wasn't. Yeah, if there were signals, they

1178
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: were rudimentary, right, rudimentary.

1179
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: Now, how'd you get so close with like Dwight Clark

1180
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: and Joe Montana?

1181
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 2: That team? That age? I was, that age is because

1182
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: of this game thing near well I had. First time

1183
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 2: I met them all in person was that game. So

1184
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: my first four years at ESPN, I primarily did the

1185
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: two thirty AM show. Okay, yeah, well it's eleven thirty

1186
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: out here, but I'm in Connecticut, which in January is

1187
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: not the best drive home. Okay, So, but I was

1188
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: the Swami and I picked them like every week because

1189
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: I smelled it. I don't know why they might have

1190
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 2: started one and two like New England. I don't I'd

1191
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: have to look that up. I don't know. But we

1192
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: get out the Friday before championship game. Different then, and

1193
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: I Charlie Young was a veteran tight end. Randy Cross

1194
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: was a middle of his career, but a sharp offensive guard,

1195
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: really good player, and the two of them, So can

1196
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: I interview a few guys. You know after practice Friday,

1197
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 2: which I didn't even know them, was not much but still,

1198
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 2: Charlie Young and Randy say to me, you're the swami.

1199
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 2: You've been picking us every week. We'll line up whoever

1200
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: you want. These are the players. Whould you line up

1201
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 2: all of them? Like eleven of them, Dwight and Joe

1202
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: being two of them, not knowing that that Will Joe's

1203
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: the quarterback. Dwight Freddy was probably the more name receiver then,

1204
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 2: but they you didn't know who they were. They're like

1205
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: eleven of them lined up. I mean for four questions,

1206
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: you've been picking us every week. We have time for you,

1207
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 2: so I didn't do it. Try get interviews. It worked, yeah,

1208
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: and okay, and by the way, the owner, Eddie de Bartelod,

1209
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 2: it's like five or six years older than me, you know,

1210
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: the football team, thirty one, thirty two, and and like

1211
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 2: we're still I could call him right now, I mean

1212
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: we're still But who's a thirty one year old owner.

1213
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not mister Rooney, mister Hunt, mister Ralph

1214
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: Wilson missed. I mean we could mister Marra. I mean

1215
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 2: I knew all these guys at these owners meetings. But

1216
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: this is my age, Eddie. Yeah, I mean almost the

1217
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 2: players are my age, and they're an unknown and I'm

1218
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: an unknown. And it worked. As I look back at it,

1219
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm not smart enough to say, hey, maybe if they win,

1220
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: I'll be their guy. No, you don't do that. It

1221
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,959
Speaker 2: just works. So Dwight, as it turned out, his life

1222
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: went on and Joe and Barry Klarnnie all those guys,

1223
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this. They're my age, or maybe I

1224
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: was two years older than them, you know, I mean,

1225
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: And it wasn't he's media, be careful, careful of what,

1226
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: careful that I might spill my beer. Like, no, I'm

1227
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 2: not going to do that.

1228
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 4: What's your favorite Dwight Clark story.

1229
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: One of the sweetest you know from South Carolina, one

1230
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 2: of the sweetest people. His smile was to guys or ladies.

1231
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: I mean, and I'm not going off the rails here.

1232
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it just it was a sincere one.

1233
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't I'm going somewhere none now he went some place. Well,

1234
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: but but and I became very friendly with him and

1235
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 2: Joe and Huey Lewis, and so sometimes the four of

1236
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: us would hang out and that didn't stick. And but

1237
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 2: well and where I wouldn't hear it enough, and you know,

1238
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 2: with different life, but bay Area, I was an honorary

1239
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 2: bay Arian. And it's a Dwight mister. I could go

1240
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 2: on around about Dwight, a dear person, and mister de

1241
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 2: Barlow's hall of fame. When he went into the canton,

1242
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 2: all the Niners were the party, and Hue sang and

1243
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 2: you know, I mean it was pretty good. It was

1244
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 2: like Camelot once again. Dwight said I need to talk

1245
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: to you about something. So mister Debarla went in on.

1246
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 2: I want to say twenty sixteen. I could be wrong,

1247
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 2: but I don't think it was twenty fifty. I'd be

1248
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. I think I think said I need to

1249
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: talk to you about something in a minute. Okay, fine,

1250
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: not one of you coming out of you playing at pebble.

1251
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 2: I'll see you then, you know, I'd see all those

1252
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: guys at pebble, not Joe so much for Dwight and

1253
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 2: and Hue, you know, and mean we play at pebble.

1254
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, I shoot eighty eight. I stink,

1255
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: but whatever, so I whatever. But he goes and he

1256
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 2: pulls me in the back room. He goes, we don't

1257
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 2: know yet because I think it might have LUs what, well,

1258
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,480
Speaker 2: we don't know some other tests, this is some things.

1259
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 2: And he was fine, but that he would pull me aside.

1260
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't see, I don't live here. I need you

1261
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 2: to know that. I'm almost tearing when I say it,

1262
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: because you know, als say no more right, say no

1263
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 2: more so, and it was they didn't know yet. That

1264
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 2: was August. So I'm having some serious tests in September

1265
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: and we don't even know what that means, what I

1266
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: can do with this that. And in twenty eighteen he

1267
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 2: was dead right, I want to say twenty eighteen, So

1268
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: that was two years from when I might at a

1269
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: celebratory thing of those niners. So this isn't you asked

1270
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 2: me the question. It's a good way to almost step out.

1271
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: Is we shouldn't take anything for granted, right, Like here's celebratory.

1272
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're reunion to this and this and that,

1273
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 2: and it's all great and maybe not. So maybe I

1274
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: can't not think of that without him pulling me into

1275
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 2: a side room like I need to doc to you. Ah.

1276
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't mean to get a bummer,

1277
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 2: but no, did we miss him. We missed him. We

1278
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 2: loved him. Wife, Kelly's a good friend and we can

1279
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 2: go on around and round. He uh, he was.

1280
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: He was always a very gratitude type guy for the

1281
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: play that is talked about a million times that we're

1282
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: about to jump into, which you already broke down, but

1283
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: you weren't watching this game. Can you break down San

1284
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: Francisco Candlestick in January? Can you just put that out

1285
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: there for the listener, how cool this place was because

1286
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: I never got to play there. I went to a

1287
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: million games there.

1288
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 2: I had to.

1289
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: I got to play in Santa Clara, but going to

1290
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: the stick I net, it just paint that picture for me.

1291
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,839
Speaker 2: Well, it was an old stadium, so there were warts,

1292
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: if you will, but and he you know, like if

1293
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 2: you really want to say, so was the Orange Bowl,

1294
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: although all the Orange Bowl with the history, so it

1295
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: was the old Mile High Stadium like ooh, but I

1296
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: mean if you really looked RFK Stadium. I was there

1297
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 2: when the stands moved, when the Redskins were like whoa,

1298
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, but the game is the atmosphere, so Candlestick,

1299
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 2: you know, the weather was like worse for Giant games

1300
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: in July than it were often in November. For the

1301
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: forty nine Ros, Yeah, people wouldn't know that it was windy,

1302
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: but then against football it was windy. It was the

1303
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 2: locker rooms were, you know, because it was baseball first,

1304
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 2: they weren't worried about football. Wasn't built for both jewels.

1305
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 2: It was at the time. I mean they figured out

1306
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 2: how to move and the screech on those stands must

1307
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: have been awful when they finally moved them. But it

1308
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,520
Speaker 2: was built and it opened in nineteen sixty. Yeah, okay stadium,

1309
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,959
Speaker 2: and it's on the Auccean, so there was some rust involved.

1310
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay. But so the launxury boxes if you will,

1311
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,919
Speaker 2: which nobody cares about it in the fans. The owner's

1312
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 2: box was behind one of the goalposts because there just

1313
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 2: wasn't so it wasn't It was built with baseball and

1314
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 2: it was kind of but there was the Niners' home

1315
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 2: park seemed like it was William Mays's home park. But

1316
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 2: I was at the last game there too, by the way,

1317
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. It was great and it was not

1318
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 2: raw like Northeast. But for West Coast, this is football,

1319
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 2: and so I think that's why the Niners were never

1320
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: in West Coast offense. No oh no no. We talked

1321
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 2: about their defense and our top of a lot of

1322
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 2: these players were along, you know, and how tough minded

1323
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 2: they were. It wasn't just some hey, we're scoring a

1324
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: lot of points. It was San Francisco. It wasn't. I'm

1325
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 2: not knocking La or San Diego. I love the places,

1326
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: but especially San Diego should but whatever, But it was

1327
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: football and they towed. It towed with the New York

1328
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 2: Giants and they'd come out and play, you know, in December,

1329
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 2: and it seemed like it wasn't the West Coast, but

1330
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: it was the West Coast. Does that make sense? It

1331
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: was kind of both. Well.

1332
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: I always it's the only big city feel you really

1333
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: feel on the West Coast is in San Francisco. You

1334
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: don't feel it really in LA because it's so spread out,

1335
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:33,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I just I always have vivid memories

1336
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: of just seeing all the crazy people in the stands

1337
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: because San Francisco fans were always nuts. You see the

1338
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: guys with the long wavy hair and overalls, all the

1339
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: gold jackets that everyone used to wear, and everyone was

1340
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: like partying there. It was just this was just a

1341
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: cool feel and you got to actually live it in

1342
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: probably the biggest game it ever had.

1343
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 2: At that point, it was I mean, I don't know

1344
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: that all of Hayton Ashbury was there, but a lot

1345
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 2: of it was, but a lot of I don't know

1346
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 2: if there was a wine drinking crowd at that point,

1347
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: it was there was Northeast or Midwest toughness with West

1348
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: Coast sensibility. And I've always felt that about going to Candlestick.

1349
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: There was something about it as it aside, because we

1350
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: have good luck editing this freaking podcast, well, Dwight memory

1351
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 2: that I should say, and I hope you can find it.

1352
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 2: I have it on my phone somewhere. But the last

1353
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 2: game of Candlestick, which was a Monday night, which ESPN

1354
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 2: did so I could go Sunday I couldn't, Dwight came

1355
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 2: out and he and I I start as Joe, you know,

1356
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 2: two hours before the game hour and a half. We

1357
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: redid the catch like you know a million times. But okay, okay,

1358
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 2: this take me through it. And I wrote rolled right,

1359
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 2: you know, like I mean, I didn't pump fake too

1360
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 2: tall Jones, but I he goes typical Dwight. He goes

1361
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 2: and he played right along. I said, Wow, we're going

1362
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 2: to relive it. Oh, I'd love to do it for

1363
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 2: you guy, espn audience Boomer, you the swam you were

1364
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 2: with us. He goes, there's one question, who's going to

1365
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: be the quarterback for this? I shouldn't be. He goes,

1366
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 2: all right, we'll go with it. You know I have it.

1367
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: If I can't, I get it. You should just needs

1368
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 2: to see the light of day again. But we rolled

1369
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: right and I didn't actually threw it. Okay, he didn't

1370
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 2: even jumps, but it wasn't like at his belt, you

1371
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It was up there, got it

1372
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 2: out and he did it, and he spiked it cool,

1373
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 2: a cool, effortless spiked it was. It was. It was

1374
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 2: the same thing, and he was having a good time

1375
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: doing it with a smile on his face. He probably

1376
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 2: not that necessarily, but a million times. Yeah, as the

1377
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: lad was before the last game of candles. Think they

1378
01:15:53,960 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 2: beat the Falcons on a defensive touchdown Navarrol Bowman ball sweet.

1379
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,759
Speaker 2: I mean we laughed. I could hear his laugh. Yeah,

1380
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 2: you know, I mean it was he and he and

1381
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 2: Joe were tight off on. You know, it's just the

1382
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 2: same experiences you've had with your some of your you know,

1383
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 2: Tom and your teammates, and you've been through the wars

1384
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 2: and not all of them did you win, but you.

1385
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 4: Win them together. You went through them together.

1386
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 2: Yep. And that's what it is.

1387
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: And it's really cool that we're here at Super Bowl sixty,

1388
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: you know, getting to celebrate a guy like Dwight Clark

1389
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: who meant so much to this league and you know,

1390
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine Ers to this point, weren't

1391
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine Ers being a pillar organization

1392
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: that they are for this league's growth. And you know,

1393
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: that's another reminder of why this game is so amazing

1394
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: because you get to learn about cool, genuine people like

1395
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: Dwight Clark, goofy guys like Joe Montana who gives me

1396
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: grow vibes like there's just so many that's Oh, he

1397
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: kind of does thinks about that.

1398
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see Joe tonight, but he if you I'm

1399
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 2: saying out of like, I get it. I feel like

1400
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 2: whenever I see it. Oh, I never would have put

1401
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 2: those two in the same sund I wouldn't either, but like.

1402
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: I just did because your cat I feel like it's

1403
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: a genuineness of joy, like when you when you see

1404
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: Rob or whenever I see I've I've met Joe a

1405
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 1: few times, but he just has like a coolness about him, where.

1406
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 4: Like he's just he was Joe cool, Joe cool.

1407
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 2: I mean, he ye. We're doing a thing with the

1408
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 2: eighty nine nine ers tonight. Loach of them. I told you,

1409
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean that Ronnie and Joe and Tom Rathman Harris

1410
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 2: and John Taylor and Eric Wright. And we're doing that

1411
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 2: in the theater tonight. So I'm gonna see all those guys.

1412
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 2: That's gonna be amazing. Again. It was just you're you

1413
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 2: doing this with me today and us doing this on

1414
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 2: stage with two thousand people tonight. You've taken me back

1415
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: to my twenties, in my early thirties. Heck, yeah, thank you,

1416
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 2: no problem. I mean, I'm seventy now. So I appreciate those.

1417
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 2: We appreciate you.

1418
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you're another reason where this whole industry even

1419
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: is in place. You know, the landscape of what media

1420
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: sports media has become was you know, a lot of

1421
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: the podcast space came off of your shows that you

1422
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: produced and you wrote and that you were a part

1423
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: of a lot of the mock ops, you know, the

1424
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 1: knockoffs with like PMT and all these ways to digest football.

1425
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: Everyone wanted to be around a guy like you, and

1426
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: that's what people are drawn to to watch sport, you know.

1427
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: So Jack put a button on this, let's grade the game.

1428
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: Boom's got to get out and talk about the eighty

1429
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: nine Super Bowl.

1430
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 7: Hey man, twenty eight to twenty seven, the Niners women's thing.

1431
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 7: They would go on to Super Bowl sixteen take down

1432
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 7: the Cincinnati Bengals twenty six to twenty one. And just

1433
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 7: to give it a little bit of shine before we

1434
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 7: move on, this game, Boom was there, of course, legendary

1435
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 7: broadcaster game. You had Vernon Lundquist there calling it for

1436
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 7: Dallas Radio. You had Pat Summer, all, Vince Scully, Jack Buck, Hankstram.

1437
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 7: I mean, this was what a game, Chris Burmer. Of course,

1438
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 7: this was awesome, and this would spark a dynasty of

1439
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 7: course with the Niners. And it would also spawn two sequels.

1440
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 7: We love sequels around here, The Catch Too and The

1441
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 7: Catch Three. But like all sequels, the first.

1442
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 2: One's the best. Steve de terrell orwans to beat the

1443
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 2: Packers first time in the Division round, in years.

1444
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 1: I remember being a kid, like we play them, we

1445
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: lose all every time he dropped a bunch of balls

1446
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 1: that games.

1447
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 2: How Steve even got to throw off them, and the

1448
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 2: whole thing was man. The catch three was Alex Smith

1449
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: and Vernon Davis against the Saints who were Super Bowl

1450
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 2: champs and the Packers, who Steve bet with the depending

1451
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 2: NF she champs that year. I think you know, so

1452
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: it was yeah, three catches, but so many he's made

1453
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 2: a couple two, But but we didn't even get to that.

1454
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 2: Let's say we didn't even get to which we won't.

1455
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 2: I know. Let's name the game. Supposed to be a

1456
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 2: guy for lunch at one, he'll weigh.

1457
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: Score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?

1458
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: Let's score decimals encouraged the name of this game? Is

1459
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: the catch game?

1460
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 2: Or not even debating that stakes.

1461
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 4: Schwamp zero to ten stakes of this game?

1462
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 2: And steaks for what okay for all Sea Championship game

1463
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: you know, no, no, no, no, it especially in retrospect, steaks

1464
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 2: were as high do I give it a one to what?

1465
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: Do we do it? One to ten?

1466
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 4: Ten being the highest decimals encouraged.

1467
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 2: If it's all steaks as life as we've just experienced

1468
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 2: ten as it ten turned out. You didn't know then

1469
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 2: that it was ten because the Niners could have won

1470
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 2: or lost and we might never have heard of him again.

1471
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: So at the time, but what we know now.

1472
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: Ten ten amazing For me, it's a nine. I've hes, Yeah,

1473
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: we've done. I've done two hundred of these shows. We've done,

1474
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, World Cups where you know, women's taking their

1475
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: shirt off, Cold War Game with a miracle on ice,

1476
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: I mean those there's.

1477
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 2: A look. I thought I had to give a full

1478
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 2: number star Russian judge figure.

1479
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I'll give it a nine eight.

1480
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 4: Is that what you're in.

1481
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 2: You're in. You're already in Tana for a time. We

1482
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 2: can't do star power. You got nine eight? No, no,

1483
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 2: no star power, star power. The Niners we didn't We

1484
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 2: didn't know them, really, you really didn't know them. It's

1485
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 2: hard to say if we're judging in eighty one or

1486
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 2: even eighty two. We're judging now right now. Well, because

1487
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 2: it was the beginning of the legend of Joe Montana,

1488
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 2: I mean star power. Dallas had a lot of those

1489
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: guys of famers, Tom Wain, Tom and Bill Walsh star Power.

1490
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 2: You have Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, nine two. That was

1491
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 2: a good score. I'm gonna go with uh.

1492
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 4: For me, it's got to be a nine flat like that.

1493
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 2: I had an eight nine. I'm right there with you.

1494
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 2: I at nine Bill, Okay, that's a good start. Gameplay

1495
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 2: of the game. That's nine turnovers, Oh, gameplay, not one,

1496
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 2: not the catch the whole game, Tom Landry, what one

1497
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 2: of the one of the most exciting games, right, that's right.

1498
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 2: So gameplay although there were great plays made, so some

1499
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 2: sloppy football. Oh got nine turnovers. It's hard and it

1500
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 2: wasn't a downpour. It was it was, but it wasn't wet.

1501
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 2: It was candlestick. It's candlestickank is a good word for candle,

1502
01:22:55,360 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 2: very good word. So game play because of the turnovers,

1503
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 2: although clutches clutch, I mean, so seven five, I don't

1504
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 2: know that's as good.

1505
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 4: I think it's like an eight four.

1506
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven five is low. Nine turnovers shouldn't out over

1507
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 2: Shadow's eight one one? Is that fair? And I'll give

1508
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: you mind because I don't do this, you guys.

1509
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: I don't give you I think it's an eight four. Yeah,

1510
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: there was a lot of turnovers, but there was a

1511
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 1: lot of lead changes and what people don't realize, that's right,

1512
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,560
Speaker 1: I mean people don't realize.

1513
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 2: We didn't get to go into it.

1514
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: But Cowboys almost came back in one after they needed

1515
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: the sack fumble, which that's an anxiety.

1516
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't do this. Yeah, I mean eight one

1517
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 2: is is as low as I can go. Yeah, only

1518
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: nine turnovers, shouldn't shakers. I have to remind myself. That

1519
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 2: was sloppy. I don't remember. I remember it. I don't

1520
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 2: remember it is because a lot of them they fumbled,

1521
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: but then they got it right back, so it wasn't

1522
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: they fumbled and that was a touchdown. So a lot

1523
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: of them were no harm, no foul, although there were

1524
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 2: fumbles were picked. One last we grade the name of

1525
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: the game, the catch. You're done. I mean that's ten ten.

1526
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it a nine to one again,

1527
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: I mean we're this how long?

1528
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 2: How long ago?

1529
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 3: Is this?

1530
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 2: For? Forty five years ago?

1531
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: Films clip the catch the most expensive and nfilm.

1532
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: In the most requested to rent, Yeah, to use it

1533
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: to license, And we shouted ourselves, yeah it was a

1534
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 2: different angle. We didn't we were from the fire the

1535
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 2: other way we run hard went ten, Jack, I have

1536
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 2: a nine nine. This is a high. This is a

1537
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 2: nine on the score. We're going to be our new

1538
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 2: fourth overall. Wow. Wow, let's go game. These are any

1539
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 2: game period. I didn't know you were non football.

1540
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 5: Just behind the Malcolm Butler game and just ahead of

1541
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 5: the two thousand and one Stanley Cup Game seven with

1542
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 5: Ray Bork.

1543
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 2: This one's for Ray Wow. Twenty eight three Super Bowl.

1544
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 2: I kind of remember that Jewels super Blood Wolf.

1545
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know that I had

1546
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 1: the lowest Patriots chiefs.

1547
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 2: I mean, no, no, I believe I know them all.

1548
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 2: Who's Josh McDaniel last night game? I I okay, So

1549
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 2: how about I want to see if you've done it

1550
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 2: because it's just fun. I don't want to take too

1551
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 2: much time here. We've got low ones too. Here you

1552
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: got you got ones that were long time ago that

1553
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: like for football games. In the last we did the

1554
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: immaculate reception with Terry. The fact that that's twenty five,

1555
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 2: that's nice, pretty good. That was a fun game. Well,

1556
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 2: they didn't win the Super Bowl year, no people think

1557
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 2: they did. They but it was but it was, like

1558
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:50,560
Speaker 2: you said.

1559
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: It was the kickoff, like you said earlier in this episode.

1560
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: That's what sparked them. That was a rookie class too

1561
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: for the Steelers on that defense. Insane. Well, the draft

1562
01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: of Jack.

1563
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 2: They they're like ten Hall of famers on Pittsburgh's side

1564
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 2: in that game, like and and by the way, we

1565
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 2: could go on and on about the Raiders were probably

1566
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 2: fifteen or sixteen Hall of famers in that game. Yeah,

1567
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 2: it's pretty they wouldn't have trouble getting in. No so,

1568
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 2: and that that's our list. One of the last of

1569
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 2: the last that momes Josh Allen Division game thirteen seconds

1570
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 2: we did that. Yeah, but there were four scores in

1571
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 2: the last two minutes. Yeah, we're waiting to do that game.

1572
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 2: We want Josh for that, Josh for the only other

1573
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 2: non another one. You have to go way back and

1574
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 2: it would be looking up though the Kellen winslow overtime

1575
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 2: San Diego Miami was a joke like that goes way back,

1576
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 2: a joke twenty four or nothing, and then all of

1577
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 2: a sudden, we're in overtime. Who could ladder to look

1578
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 2: that game? Who would be the perfect guest for cut

1579
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 2: thirteen blocked the winning field goal? I mean they had

1580
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 2: to carry him off the field exhaustion came back six

1581
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 2: minutes later in his Orange Bowl. Uh, almost the end

1582
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: of the first overtime. So heat. The next game they

1583
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: had to play in fucking minus sixty nine and no

1584
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 2: wonder they lost? How could they not? Dan Fouts, don't

1585
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: your eyes like they're up twenty four? Look up that

1586
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 2: game the division. No, you don't have to look it

1587
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 2: up for you. I mean that's a long time or

1588
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:35,440
Speaker 2: or Dan Fouts who broadcaster? He would be, He would

1589
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 2: be great. Do you know him at all? We've met

1590
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 2: for but he is a broadcast. Yeah he got it.

1591
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn he kills it, Dan Fouts.

1592
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 2: That he he. I mean, I'm just thinking great foot.

1593
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean you know, now, okay, the Giants game, the

1594
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 2: one the eighteen and nine tenths in zero, we did that. Wait,

1595
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 2: the teen and one, Yeah, I go to eighteen and

1596
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: nine tenths and ozho and one.

1597
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did that with Bruski. We had Bruskie and

1598
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: Eli at the same time to do that.

1599
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 2: Was that.

1600
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: That was fun. I mean it was the first time

1601
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,560
Speaker 1: Bruski ever came on to talk about it with the

1602
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: law about the loss. So it was cool to That's

1603
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: what We originally wanted the show to be have a

1604
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: guy on both sides. We then found out it's so hard.

1605
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: It's hard, even though it's a lot. Well, it's re

1606
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: sharing enough. Yeah, and we killed Zoom too. Those were

1607
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:33,759
Speaker 1: Zoom interviews.

1608
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 2: That was, Oh my god, that was a great game. Yeah. Well,

1609
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean but and you know it was great.

1610
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 2: Tom was great. And media day someone says, well, what

1611
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 2: was the final on that? Seventeen fourteen or fourteen ten?

1612
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 2: What the hell was the final of that? How do

1613
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 2: I not know that? We tried to No, no, what

1614
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 2: was it? Seventeen fourteen, seventeen fourteen? I thought, is that

1615
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 2: what it was? Plectra glash, Yeah, seventeen fourteen zero. So

1616
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 2: Tom Tom with a smile when it was one of

1617
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 2: those mediate day questions back then, was you know remember

1618
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 2: what it was? Now they made it fucking coliguilar. It's awful.

1619
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 2: I hate it now. You guys used to be in

1620
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 2: the stadium on Tuesday in your uniform. I got all

1621
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 2: my interviews then you guys look good at the stadium.

1622
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 2: Is nice. Now it's a thing. It's fucking Caligula. Yesterday

1623
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 2: was hell on Earth. Tom, Yeah, terrible, Tom went, you're

1624
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 2: gonna hold us. Suppose you get fourteen points or something,

1625
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 2: They're gonna hold us. He didn't. He wasn't intaging anything. No,

1626
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna hold us the fourteen points. Huh okay, Well,

1627
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 2: if I were Tom, i'd say the same thing. Unfortunately,

1628
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 2: every now and you know, I mean whatever, all right,

1629
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 2: we hell this lunch. I can't even call the guy.

1630
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 5: We're talking with you one you're good, you're good.

1631
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 2: On one time we're talking with him, your producer. He says,

1632
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 2: we're good, you're good. Well he doesn't know. He doesn't.

1633
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, Boom, Thanks much, hey, Jewels. We could we

1634
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 2: could go for hours. We didn't even get to Boston Strong.

1635
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after this quick break.

1636
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: Man didn't didn't get to ask him half the things

1637
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask him.

1638
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 2: No, we need part two and three. You need fifteen hours, yes, Boom,

1639
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: when my hero is growing.

1640
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 7: Like you said, Jewels, everybody that's talking sports now is

1641
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 7: just paying a homage to Chris Berman and adding fun

1642
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 7: into it and personal talking like you talk at the

1643
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 7: bar and your personality and fun Soundvindes, what man, that

1644
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 7: was so cool?

1645
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 2: Guys? Do this?

1646
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: You imagine hanging out with Joe Montany, Huey Lewis freaking

1647
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: Dwight Clark bro.

1648
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 2: Just casually dropping.

1649
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: He was like, probably the young cool kid from from ESPN.

1650
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 7: That's right, brother, just running the town. Like you said,

1651
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 7: the San Francisco rat pack. Here the news bro. We

1652
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 7: don't even need the news man. Hugh and the boys.

1653
01:30:58,760 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 2: What a game.

1654
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: And thanks again to Chris Berman for giving us some time.

1655
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: That was a fun episode. That was a bucket list episode.

1656
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 1: And that's been another episode of Games with Names. Subscribe

1657
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,400
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1658
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,240
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1659
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:18,439
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1660
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:19,960
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1661
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,880
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1662
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:27,000
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1663
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1664
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: the best ones in the future episodes. Leave a message

1665
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: at the old hotline. That number is four two four

1666
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: two nine one two two nine zero and we'll see

1667
01:31:39,520 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 1: you guys next week.

1668
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 2: Now help he now so help well well by by

1669
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 2: buck Well how Well hell