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Speaker 1: What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff Korean Out Podcast

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Speaker 1: on a beautiful, scorching hot Thursday afternoon. How's everyone doing.

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Speaker 1: I hope everyone's having a good week. I hope everyone's

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Speaker 1: getting ready for the summer months. I hope everyone is

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Speaker 1: doing well. And uh, we're here to talk football and

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Speaker 1: the Draft is over. O. T A s are up

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll just wait and see approach on

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Speaker 1: that one. And of course Aaron Rodgers drama is still

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Speaker 1: full swing, so we will dive into that as well

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Speaker 1: as some thoughts on a on a couple other things

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Speaker 1: that something I've noticed around the draft, around the draft

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Speaker 1: content with NFL Network and ESPN that I just just

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Speaker 1: makes me want to puke. Some thing that a listener

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Speaker 1: DM me about Howie and the video that went viral

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Speaker 1: boards and it's stuff that obviously I just know, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know if everyone quite knows how that works.

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Speaker 1: And I just I wanted to dive into that Middlecoff mailbag.

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Speaker 1: Of course at John Middlecoff is the Instagram handle. Slide

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Speaker 1: up into those d m s. Get here on the show.

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Speaker 1: it's a five figure purchase. You know, you're like, wait,

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Speaker 1: you can't just fix my air conditioning for a thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's multiply that by about eight or nine.

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Speaker 1: Holy moly. But you can't be too hot, you know,

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Speaker 1: you need you need that, you need the air to flow.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to dive into Aaron Rodgers because the

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Speaker 1: story We're a week into this thing, full disclosure, I'm

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Speaker 1: already a little over it because I don't necessarily think

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Speaker 1: of stuff through the media and and that I don't

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Speaker 1: know bores me. And don't get me wrong, like I'm

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Speaker 1: I love good rumors, I love good Selasia stuff, but

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm just kind of worn out by this entire

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Speaker 1: off season with Russell, will Wilson, obviously, Deshaun Watson and

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Speaker 1: now Rogers, I think we've all kind of set our

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Speaker 1: MVP of the league. He hates the Packers. He's calling

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Speaker 1: the GM Jerry Krausse, which the irony behind calling the

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Speaker 1: general manager Jerry Krauss. Do you know what Brian Goodikins

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Speaker 1: He do a lot, Because if you watch the Jordan documentary,

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Speaker 1: big time. And if Aaron like, are you Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: losing Lambeau Home NFC Championship game. But I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: back when that was actually a story. I mean, ship,

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Speaker 1: this has been a crazy offseason. Hat tipp to Matt

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Speaker 1: He has an unlimited amount of money. Not a money issue.

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Speaker 1: That has never been an issue him and the Packers

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Speaker 1: And I've talked about this before, and I think this's difficult, right,

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Speaker 1: I keep getting back to, like, ultimately, if you don't

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Speaker 1: It's very understandable. It's actually very relatable. I think I

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Speaker 1: like his his nitpicks with the franchise are first class problems.

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Speaker 1: make sales you're making you have ideas of companies that

425
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Speaker 1: you get involved. Well, eventually you go hey, to the boss,

426
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Speaker 1: to the CEO, I think we should do this. I

427
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Speaker 1: think it's a really good idea. He may go, that's

428
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Speaker 1: a terrible idea, and you may disagree, even though if

429
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: his decision might be the right decision ultimately, but at

430
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Speaker 1: the time you're not going to agree with it. In

431
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 1: any company, the goal is for the company to make money.

432
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: In any draft, the goal is for the team to

433
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Speaker 1: draft the right players. There. Every single person in the

434
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: room potentially has different opinions on guys. We've all heard

435
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: these war stories. I was lucky enough to live it

436
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: kind of right and just see arguments, but just over

437
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: players in general. I saw it when I worked in

438
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 1: college football about recruits. I saw it when I worked

439
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL about free agency, about the draft, about whoever.

440
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: That's the nature of the business. You're arguing over players,

441
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: whether we should keep, whether we should cut, whether we

442
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: should require, whether we should draft, and then eventually you

443
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: get passionate about a player. If you're Tom Donahoe, and

444
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: clearly he wanted someone else. But that doesn't mean the

445
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: Eagles or the Eagles draft board. Because we've all seen

446
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: whatever team you like, I would imagine you've seen some

447
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: of these videos where the whole group is in the room,

448
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: and some of these teams do a better job of

449
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: it than others in terms of showing the fan right.

450
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: I think the Colts do a really good job. And

451
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: if you go to the Colt YouTube page, you can

452
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: watch draft meetings. Now they you out, they're not giving

453
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: you all the good information, but you can just kind

454
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: of all the scouts are in the room and they're

455
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: talking and arguing over players. Now one guy thinks the

456
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Speaker 1: guy's the third rounder, the other guy thinks of the

457
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Speaker 1: guy's the seventh rounder, and Chris Ballard and it could

458
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Speaker 1: be any team sitting there with a clicker and they

459
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Speaker 1: talking out and eventually, you know what they do. They

460
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Speaker 1: rank the player. So if if the GM overrides everyone

461
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Speaker 1: and goes, I think this guy is ultimately a fourth

462
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: round player. The guy with the third round draft bit

463
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: or grade feels better about where he ends up than

464
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Speaker 1: the guy that thinks he sucks. That is the nature

465
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Speaker 1: of the business. Do you know that most players that

466
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Speaker 1: are drafted, I would say in the league, there's someone

467
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Speaker 1: in that building, whether it be a scout, whether it

468
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Speaker 1: be a coach that does not agree with the selection.

469
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 1: It just happened that the cameras were on and they

470
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Speaker 1: caught the fist pounding thing. That is not only normal,

471
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Speaker 1: I would say it's it's it would probably be not

472
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: normal if everyone agrees. Now, with super high level players

473
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: in the first round, there's gonna be more agreement. But

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Speaker 1: I would still say in the first round, especially past

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Speaker 1: like the top five, there are gonna be people that like,

476
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: we should have taken the other guy. It's human nature.

477
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: Think about whatever you do. Hell, think about being a kid.

478
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: Think about if you're listening to you're a parent. No

479
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: one's ever on the same page. We're always disagreeing. Hey dad,

480
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: I want to do that. No, we're gonna do that.

481
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 1: We're to your wife, Hey I want to eat here,

482
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: Well I want to eat here. This is natural. Eventually,

483
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: I say it all the time. It's much easier to

484
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: make suggestions than decisions. Someone has to make a decision

485
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: and ultimately how he's saying, like I we have one

486
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: draft board, right, that's how we draft the players. But

487
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't like we don't erase everyone's individual draft boards.

488
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Speaker 1: They feel like they feel about the player. So Tom Donahoe,

489
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: he's not the general manager. It's not his call. If

490
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Speaker 1: it was, he clearly would have taken a different player.

491
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Speaker 1: But that is not that me. Consistently, all over the NFL,

492
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Speaker 1: every single pick, there are gonna be people in the room,

493
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Speaker 1: and this year it's weird with Corona. Not everyone's allowed

494
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Speaker 1: in the room. But if every coach and every scout

495
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Speaker 1: was allowed in every draft room, you know, most picks

496
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Speaker 1: aren't gonna be Trevor Lawrence where everyone's on board. Most

497
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: picks are gonna be like, oh, we should have taken

498
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver. We took a defensive guy. We already

499
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Speaker 1: got defensive players. Oh we took we took the wrong

500
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: right tackle. We should have taken the other guy. I

501
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: like that guy. Whether it's an area scout, whether it's

502
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Speaker 1: a director, or whether it's the offensive line coach, whoever,

503
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: there is never consensus. And I know that every general

504
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Speaker 1: manager says this. Whenever we finally set our draft board,

505
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: all the disagreements go out the window. That's kind of bullshit,

506
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean, it's you just have to agree

507
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: and like, that's where we're gonna put him. But I

508
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: don't agree with where we have them slotted. I talked

509
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Speaker 1: to a scout the other day I'm like, what do

510
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: you think about the guy you draft in the second round?

511
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Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I didn't love him. I didn't

512
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Speaker 1: love him. Don't you think that guy high fived when

513
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: he during the draft when they took him, I was like,

514
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: what should they have taken the other guy? He's like,

515
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: I didn't like that guy either. So it's just it's

516
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: that would probably be if I got every area scout

517
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: in the country and asked them about their draft, they

518
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: would probably disagree with two or three of the picks.

519
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: It's just the nature of It's what makes scouting so

520
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: healthy is you get a bunch of different opinions and

521
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: you try to make the best decision for the team.

522
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: And that's where generalman Being a general manager is pretty

523
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: difficult because you have to listen to the people giving

524
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: you the information. Plus you are watching the player, factoring

525
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: in the medical, factoring in the character, factoring it at all,

526
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: and you make a big picture decision. It is not

527
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: an easy process. It's clearly not a black and white process.

528
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna be a lot of successes and a lot

529
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 1: of misses because ultimately you're dealing with humans. You have

530
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: no clue. Tom Donahoe might have been right. They should

531
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Speaker 1: have taken the other guy. How he might have been right,

532
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: no one knows. So the reaction, you know, when everyone's

533
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: jumping up and down. We we've seen it for my

534
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: entire life. You have never watched the team take a

535
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: first round pick where they don't freak out and throw

536
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: a party unless you're Belichick. I went to Belichick's uh

537
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: not Belichick. I mean you could rename it Belichick the

538
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: Patriots Instagram account, and I swear to god, they drafted

539
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: Mac Jones Belichick and he traded up in the second

540
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: round for the Bama defensive tackle. They are not celebrating

541
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: that draft room. They I mean they do not celebrate

542
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: at all. People like you think they're all in on

543
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, well based on the based on his reaction

544
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: in there, zero celebration. You have to appreciate Belichick for

545
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: staying true to who he is. Never gets too excited.

546
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean he can't even fake it right. Most draft

547
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: rooms get excited when they make a first round pick.

548
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 1: We know half the picks are gonna fail. If I

549
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: told if I went into a draft room, just team Max,

550
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: let's just you know, choose the vikings and say, hey,

551
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: you know your first round pick. If I told him

552
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: this the moment they drafted him, I have the ability,

553
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: uh uh to to look into the future and your

554
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: guy is gonna be the biggest bust since JaMarcus Russell.

555
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a disaster. Either they would celebrate. Of course,

556
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: not everyone when they make that draft pick thinks that

557
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: they just drafted a pro bowler. We know that's not

558
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: the case. I'll I think the reactions in the draft

559
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: room like who cares? Even like I'd being mad. I mean,

560
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: I think it jolted people because we're not used to

561
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: seeing that. But it's not that that is normal protocol now.

562
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Some people don't Tom Like, as a younger scout, I

563
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: would never do that. I would pretend to be happy

564
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: even inside I thought it was stupid. Hell that I

565
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: knew I was probably getting fired my last draft and

566
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I remember them taking Matt Barkley and I was like,

567
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: what are we doing. I remember being in the draft

568
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: beside we took Lane Johnson, zach Ertz and then the

569
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: rest of the picks. I was like, what is going

570
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: on here? I didn't agree with them, but I just

571
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: keep my mouth shut. If you're an old guy. You've

572
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: been a general manager. If you're comfortable, you know, it's

573
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: it's easier when you're older to voice your displeasure. Coaches

574
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: do it all the time. Coach is are much more blunt.

575
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 1: They make way more money if you If you've been

576
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: an offensive line coach in the league for fifteen years,

577
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: you've banked millions of dollars. It's easy to be like

578
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: y if I disagree with this pick. Now, what happens

579
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: is once the player comes and I remember Jim Washburn

580
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: told me this one time. One of the best position

581
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: coaches I've ever been around. I think he's one of

582
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: the best defensive line coaches that's ever coached in the league.

583
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: He said, you know, it's always easy for the scouting

584
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: community to be like, you need to take this guy

585
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: because he's good on film. Well, it's like, well if

586
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: the guy's a bad guy. And this is the other

587
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: part about the draft is like, you know, most people

588
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: on the outside don't know all the information. I started

589
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: getting stories this last week. I'm like, I didn't know

590
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: this about this guy, to know this about that guy

591
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: good and bad. And Washburn was always like, you know,

592
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: it's easy for you to be like, coach, this guy

593
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: is a great player in the second round. He'll fucking

594
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: kick ass, will be a great pass rusher for us.

595
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: And then you read the character like terrible guy, pain

596
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: in the ass. He's like, I have to deal with

597
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: that once the pick happens. That's my problem. I sit

598
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: with him every day. You just get to stay in

599
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: your office, you know, bang out tape, do school calls,

600
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: eat snacks. I have to be around this guy every

601
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: day for six months and really for several years, and

602
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: if it goes bad, it sucks for you. You just like, oh,

603
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: just sign another guy. And it is true. I mean,

604
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: position coaches, it's the player becomes theirs. You know, scouts

605
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: are kind of done. They just get to watch. They

606
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: just get on the next draft, on the next free

607
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: agent class. It then becomes the coaches. It's why a

608
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of times in my experience and just talking to

609
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: different people, you know, friends in the league, coaches can

610
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: get pretty outspoken during this draft process. It's pretty rare,

611
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, to see now it's we just don't get

612
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: that inside information. I just think Tom is kind of

613
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: an old school, grumpy, hardass. He just disagreed. It doesn't

614
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: mean that like, I think it jolted a lot of

615
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: people because they thought, like, oh, they hate each other. No,

616
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: very very normal. Okay has been bothering me, It's always has,

617
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: but I've noticed it a lot this week because listen,

618
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: I understand television. They have to produce content and once

619
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 1: the draft ends, like what are they gonna do? Especially

620
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: the schedule releases now. Yet it's kind of boring. That's

621
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: why they do draft grades. Draft grades are basically just

622
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: a grade based on what that human thought of the player.

623
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: So it's like, if I like three of the five

624
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: players you drafted in the top four rounds, I'll give

625
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: you an E. If I hated the players you drafted,

626
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: I'll give you a D. Right. It's like everyone hated

627
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: the Doug Peterson higher. They gave him an F. They

628
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: gave Macadoo to the Giants an A. One guy won

629
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. One guy was laughed out of the building.

630
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: Like it's grades mean nothing, right, not in a classroom.

631
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: Like ultimately, you take a test, you either gotta got

632
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: the questions right or wrong. The difference is we don't

633
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: know this, a draft pick, a hiring. We're all just

634
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: giving our opinions. But to me, A grade is concrete,

635
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: Like you did, you gotta B plus based on what

636
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Speaker 1: based on what you think? Right, I don't even know

637
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: what that means. Now. I'm like anybody growing up. I'm

638
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: sure I read them all. I don't really pay that

639
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: much attention. But I was watching the other night NFL

640
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: Network and they were talking about the biggest followers or no,

641
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: it was the biggest steels. Guys that were the biggest

642
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: steals in the draft. Well, of course to be a Steel,

643
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: whether it was a former player, whether it was Charles Davis.

644
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: They think a guy that went in the fifth or

645
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: sixth round that that guy thought was a second round player.

646
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how this guy failed, but he is

647
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: a Steel. And one of the guys, it was Ohio

648
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: State linebacker uh Cooper, who I think when the sixth

649
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: round to the Denver Broncos and I'm just flipping channels.

650
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: I was watching the Yankee game. You know, it was

651
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: like it was, you know, between anything. So I flipped

652
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: to the the NFL network there right next to each other,

653
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: and it's like, I can't believe this guy ended up

654
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: with the Denver Broncos. And you know, I've watched Ohio State,

655
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: but I'm not locked in on their linebackers. So I

656
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: text somebody who does Ohio state my In my first reaction,

657
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: because I'm just reacting to the television, I go, how

658
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: did Cooper fall to the Broncos? And then I realized,

659
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: well should I and I? And then my next test

660
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: text message was well did he fall? And he goes, no,

661
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: he didn't fall. We had him in the sixth round,

662
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about this. The problem for the

663
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: draft is once they get picked, we don't know their

664
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Speaker 1: value before the draft. Besides, you know the the main names,

665
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: but once you get to the third, fourth, fifth round.

666
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: I heard Brett Beats say this in his post draft

667
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: press conference. He's like, you know, for the most part,

668
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: the top fifty picks, not in the same order, but

669
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: the majority of the league's He's the top players in

670
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: any draft, whether it's top forty picks, whether it's top

671
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: sixty picks on a given year, relatively the same, the

672
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: same now, whether you would take Leatherwood at seventeen or forty.

673
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: But they're all the top players, right, Elijah Moore here,

674
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: Quitty pay here, like, it's just different of opinion, but

675
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: we all agree these are top flight NFL talents. Well,

676
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: once you get to the third, four, fifth round, and

677
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: this Beach had a good point. He's like, it's you

678
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: really find like what different teams value. And I was

679
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: thinking about this. Let's use the housing analogy. When you

680
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: buy a house, you know the value because someone is going,

681
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: there's a million dollar home, and you look around the neighborhood.

682
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: You go, every home in this neighborhood is going between

683
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: nine hundred and one point one million. So if the

684
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: if you're trying to buy a house, in the house

685
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: a million dollars, you go, you know it's in the range.

686
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: So whether you pay nine fifty grand for the house

687
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: or whether you pay a little bit over a million dollars,

688
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: you're in the same ballpark. But like you have an

689
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: idea of what the cost is. Where in the draft,

690
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: we have no idea what the cost of most of

691
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: these players are. But yet when a player who someone

692
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: in the media views highly because the linebackers that the

693
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: Brown's got in the second round, the Notre Dame line

694
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: back and listen, I talked to people that liked the

695
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: guy a lot, but a lot of the mock drafts

696
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: had him as a top twenty player. I talked to

697
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: multiple teams. We had him in the second round. Now

698
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: he went towards the end of the second round. But

699
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: did they get some steal if the entire league dot

700
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: he was in the second round. If you buy a

701
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: nine hundred thousand dollar home in a neighborhood where all

702
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: the homes are going for nine hundred thousand to a

703
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: million dollars, is that getting a steel if in five

704
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: years that house is worth two point two million, or

705
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: did you just pay what the house was worth. Now

706
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: you get credit of knowing good neighborhood. People are moving here,

707
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: it's got good schools, It has an opportunity, you know,

708
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: to be worth a lot more. But to be a

709
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: steel at the time, you would have to get a

710
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: nine hundred thousand dollar house for six hundred thousand dollars.

711
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: That's a steel. When you draft a guy in the

712
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: fifth round who the rest of the league views as

713
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: a fourth or a fifth round player, that is not

714
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: a steal. You drafted the guy where they wanted or

715
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: where the league thought his value was. Like, did the

716
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Niners get a steel in George Kittle? Yeah, because he's

717
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: a good player. But when they drafted him the fifth round,

718
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: Now his value in the league. People thought he was

719
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: like a fourth fifth rounder. That's where he was supposed

720
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: to go. Richard Sherman became a Hall of Fame player,

721
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: but when he was coming out in the draft, his

722
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: value was not first or second. Part of being a

723
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: really high pick is you gotta check a lot of boxes.

724
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: You gotta be a big time player. You gotta have

725
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: physical attributes, you gotta test well, you gotta be productive.

726
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: You know. The character depending on the team, can be

727
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: hit or miss. But your value when you're drafted last weekend, first, second,

728
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: third round is determined by the league. So if you

729
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: go in the fifth, six or seventh round, that means

730
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: the entire fucking league, depending on how many picks every

731
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: team has had have have passed on you. Certain teams

732
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: six seven, eight times, other teams three four times. So

733
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: when you go in the sixth round, now in five

734
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: ten years you become a Pro Bowl player, that does

735
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: not change what your value was the moment you were drafted.

736
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: The reason Trevor Lawrence went one. He's an elite prospect.

737
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: He's six six, he's got a big arm, he's accurate,

738
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: he's athletic, he's high character, he's one. He can make

739
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: every throw. He's smart, he checks every box. The reason

740
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: some of these quarterbacks like Davis Mills or Kelly Mont

741
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: go the second the third round. They have questions if

742
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: one of those guys becomes a star quarterback, did they

743
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: truly get a steal or did they just draft a guy?

744
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: Where they get credit is they developed him, they saw

745
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: a big picture, but they paid the proper price. They

746
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: paid the proper price. To me, getting a steel would

747
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: be to get the equivalent in the draft, like my

748
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: housing analogy, six thousand ll home that you could immediately

749
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: sell for million dollars. But if you get a guy

750
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: in the fifth round who then you immediately like but

751
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: the entire league viewed him as a fifth round player.

752
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: You just paid what he was worth. Now you saw

753
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: the value big picture, right, but you paid the proper price.

754
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: I say it all the time about the draft. It

755
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: is a marketplace. It is not necessarily a reflection of

756
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: how good you're gonna be. It's not at all beside

757
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: the high picks. It's a reflection of what you're worth

758
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: in that given draft, which is nine of the game

759
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: you're playing in the draft. What do I have to

760
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: pay for this player. If you give me a million

761
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: dollars right now and you say you have to use

762
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: this on one house, you can't split this up and

763
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: by like three separate houses. I would go to a

764
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: market and either try to get a if I don't

765
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: have like construction friends that can do a huge remodel

766
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: and flip it. If I just have to do it

767
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: like a normal person, I don't have any built in advantages.

768
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to pay what every market bears.

769
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: I would try to go to a market that I

770
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: thought in the next ten years that was gonna boom,

771
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: but my million dollars. If I didn't know anyone and

772
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: just use a normal real estate agent. I'm not getting

773
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: any like kickbacks or no any secret you know, houses

774
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: underwater or whatever. I'm just buying a house that any

775
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: other human can buy. I would just buy into a

776
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: market ideal. If I was just gonna be a rental

777
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: or an airbnb that over the next five ten years

778
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: I thought had some upside, but I would pay the price,

779
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: which would be the proper price. So all these guys,

780
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: when you read about all these stories like oh my god,

781
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: and I get this a lot, like with the forts,

782
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: everyone's like Austen Walker, this undrafted free agent, he's going

783
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: to be the number three wide receiver for the Niners.

784
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: Well maybe more than likely, No fucking chance. Because he's

785
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. That means every team in the

786
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: league passed on him over and over and over again.

787
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: So all these fans think he's gonna be a number

788
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: three overall pick. He might end up being that, But

789
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: if everyone knew that was the case, he's getting draft

790
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: in the fourth or the fifth round. So when you

791
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: see these people talking on television that there's a steel,

792
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: that's a steel because they viewed the guy. What matters

793
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: and where you go in the draft is how the

794
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: league views to them. That is the marketplace that determines

795
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: your value, and it's not based on Obviously, if I

796
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: knew the guy was gonna be a Hall of Famer,

797
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: he'd go on the top three picks. We don't have

798
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: any of that information. We can only base the information

799
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: on draft day on what I'm working with. Your size,

800
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: your speed, your size, everything we've talked about in production.

801
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, it may turn out in ten years.

802
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: Penay Soul is the best left tackle we've ever seen.

803
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's gonna be the case. But just

804
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: let's use that hypothetical and all the quarterbacks are average

805
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: at best, Like God, you should have taken penay Soul

806
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: number one overall. But at the time, like his value was,

807
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere between five and eight, he went where

808
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: we was supposed to go. Did the lion to get

809
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: a steal or did they just they just got him

810
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: where you're supposed to go. It's no different than fifth

811
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: six rounds, same as the first round, right, You just

812
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: get a guy what he's valued at. And that to

813
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: me is where the good general managers understand the bad

814
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: one struggle with. Okay, let's get to Middlecoff mail bag.

815
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: It is uh the instagram at John Middlecoff. You come

816
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: in those d m s and you get your questions

817
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: answered here. Or if you have my phone number like

818
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: this guy named Hunter, you can shoot me a text.

819
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: What was Big Red's process for getting Mahomes ready to play?

820
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: And how do you think the forty Niners will handle

821
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: Trey Well? I don't know all the details on the

822
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: year with Mahomes, I mean I could find out. I

823
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: do know that he became the backup from day one,

824
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: like he was the backup at a training camp, and

825
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: then week seventeen, Alex had his best year ever. So

826
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: you just you just do the backup duties and you

827
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: get her. I'm sure they worked really hard individually teach

828
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: him how to watch film. He's obviously just sitting next

829
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: to the quarterback who starting and having a great year.

830
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Their team was having a great year. And weeks sixteen,

831
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: at the time, they had already clinched uh the first

832
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: round game. I think it was playing against Mariota and

833
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: the Titans. I don't think they knew who they were

834
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: gonna play, but they knew they had already won the division.

835
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: And and he's told this story publicly before, is that

836
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: Andy just took Mahomes like we're gonna approach this game.

837
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: We're going all in, and Naggie and maybe Brad Children's

838
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: some of the the offensive coordinator. They focused on the

839
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: upcoming opponent. So basically just Andy had Mahomes for a

840
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: week Week sixteen, and it was like blown away by

841
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: how much he recalled different stuff they did throughout the week.

842
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: And then if you remember, they played Denver. I don't

843
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: even know if they won, but Mahomes played really well

844
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 1: and he made a couple of throws in that game.

845
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: It was like Holy Moldy. And then the following week

846
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have a bad loss. I think Kelsey got

847
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: knocked out in that game, if I remember correctly. It's

848
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: weird how male's minds work. I can't remember what I

849
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: did two weeks ago, yet I can remember in a

850
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: playoff game five years ago Travis Kelsey getting knocked out

851
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: on wild card weekend. Yeah, just it is what it is.

852
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: These minds work in mysterious ways. So I think they

853
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: they had known in practice they had something special. I

854
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: think that week solidified it for them. Now Patrick had

855
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: been a multiple year starter, right Trey, I think they

856
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: ideally want to just ease him. I don't think they

857
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: know that. The Chiefs know what they have in alex

858
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: Or had a guy that can take them to the playoffs.

859
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: The Niners, Jimmy Garoppolo goes down like every five games,

860
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: So I think you can go in with the mindset

861
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy's gonna start, Trey is gonna be the backup. What

862
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: if Jimmy gets hurt, what if Jimmy is not that good?

863
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: I I think the Chief's plan was very, very concrete,

864
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: like they were dead, Alex was starting the whole year.

865
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: I do not think that's the case with the Niners.

866
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: I think they're going in with a fluid kind of mindset,

867
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: and the game plan is for Jimmy to be the starter.

868
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: And I was Adam and he was gonna get traded. Well,

869
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: then New England took Mac Jones and that's where he

870
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: was gonna go. So and once you take Trey Lance,

871
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: it does make some sense to bring Jimmy back. Obviously,

872
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: with Mac Jones or Justin Fields, you gotta start that guy.

873
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: But my guests, if I had to take an educated guess,

874
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: Jimmy starts ends up getting banged up. Tray comes in,

875
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: it never comes back out. Now, that could happen a

876
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: week two. That could happen week ten. But unlike Jordan Love,

877
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: like Tray, Lance is gonna be the backup day one.

878
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: He's gotta get him ready. Now he hasn't played in

879
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: the year. They's got to get him up to speed. Hey,

880
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: I doubt you have the time to read all your

881
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: d m s. Come on, Kelvin, but if you would

882
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: be willing, it would be awesome to meet you and

883
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: ask you a few questions. I live in northern California

884
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: and come to where you live. My dream is a

885
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: scout bro. I'll shoot you m after this. I think

886
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: the Vikings sometimes don't get credit for being a high

887
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: level organization since Spielman and zimmer had arrived. They consistently

888
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: draft well, moving back when necessary, replacing digs when that

889
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: situation became untenable. And they find ways to keep studs

890
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: like Hendrix Hunter Cook, and they consistently lose offensive coordinators.

891
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: Are they underrated? And is it because Zimmer is a

892
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: defensive coach and Cousins isn't the top tier guy. I

893
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: think when you never win a Super Bowl or even

894
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: get to a Super Bowl, you don't get as much credit.

895
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: But I'm with you. They make the playoffs basically every year.

896
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: Last year they were right in it when their defense

897
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: was historically terrible. They had a stretch where their defensive

898
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: backs were getting smoked. Spielman's one of the best general

899
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: managers in the league period point blank. End of story.

900
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: Zimmerman grouchy, not Zimmerman, zimmer crouchy, old school. But he's good.

901
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean he he really is. Cousins had his best

902
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: season of his career last year. I think thirty five

903
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: or thirty seven touchdowns. Jefferson was a stud, thealens of

904
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: stud Dalvin Cooks has stud. If their dbs are better,

905
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: they're a nine win team, especially if Roger is not

906
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: on the Packers. But I I think the main reason

907
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: they don't get the credit is because the one time

908
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: they got to the NFC Championship, they ran into folds

909
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: and got smoked. What do you think the Eagles will

910
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: do at quarterback next year? Given they are potential, they

911
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: have a potential of three first round picks. Consider this

912
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: only if Jalen Hurts doesn't perform well, although I don't

913
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: think he's a long term answer. I'd imagine they'll want

914
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: to take a corner and a sweet pass rusher at

915
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: least one of those picks. It's crazy. I mean, it

916
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: just shows the society we live in. We're always you

917
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: know what's next? What's next? Talking about three first round picks,

918
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: which is a big deal. I mean, if Carson Wentz

919
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: to solid, which I expect him to be, they will

920
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: have three first round picks. It is impossible to even

921
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: guess until we know if it Hurts is any good,

922
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: if hurt is terrible, they will draft a quarterback, or

923
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: they'll make a big trade for a quarterback who that

924
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: will be every year guys become available, so I I can't.

925
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. If Hurtch is really good, they'll just

926
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: use yeah, a defensive lineman, probably an offensive lineman and

927
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: a corner. It'll be pretty simple. But if he's not,

928
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: they'll just be in the quarterback business. And the best

929
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: way to be in the quarterback business is to have

930
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: a shipload of picks because you can trade up to

931
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: get one. One of these guys becomes disgruntled, you can

932
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: trade and get them. Uh, the Eagles are gonna have options.

933
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: I think one thing that's gonna be big for this

934
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: year is find out about Sirianni Canny coach. Is he

935
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: an offensive innovator? What can you do with Jalen Hurts?

936
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: How good is Jalen Hurts' was the offense gonna look like?

937
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated? So are the Eagles. Listen to you and

938
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: Haberman talk about the forty wide receiver three Austin Watkins.

939
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: This is the guy I'm talking about will be their

940
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I'd put money on it. Blows my mind.

941
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: He went undrafted, said Colts, couldn't scoop him up, Sad

942
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: Colts couldn't scoop him up? Great short intermediate route round

943
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: our best hands in the class with Davante Smith as well. Yeah,

944
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: I'd have to do some digging on this guy. If

945
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: he has the best hands in the class, he doesn't

946
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: go undrafted like you go undrafted for a reason to

947
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: not get picked in the six or seventh round. I know,

948
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: I've gotten a bunch of people d M and me

949
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: and texted me this guy is gonna be the number

950
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: three wide receiver on the team, and that that's I've

951
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: been around this business long enough now to know you

952
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: cannot say that. One if we knew this guy's the

953
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: number three wide receiver, he's not making it past the

954
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: fourth round. So I and maybe he becomes that, but

955
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: then the entire league with I agree the Bengals should

956
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: have focused on building the offensive line for Borrow. Do

957
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: you think that some of these franchises that expect to

958
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: lose most of their games feel more inclined to take

959
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: swings on position players like Chase For the revenue side

960
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: of things, we have established that this is a revenue

961
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: based business, and the thing that old Linman don't do

962
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: well sealed jerseys and put fans in the stands. How

963
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: do you think this plays into some of those picks

964
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: love the pod? Good question, that's a great fucking question. Yeah.

965
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: I mean in a place like Cincinnati where you know

966
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: they don't have big side businesses, their entire business is

967
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: the team and they're struggling. I I couldn't even blame

968
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: the team right now. Ultimately, what sells the most is winning.

969
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: I've been Mike Brown never made more money from jersey

970
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: sales from season tickets those four or five years with

971
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton when they were winning, competing

972
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: to win divisions every year. That's how you move the

973
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: needle in this league, win games. So it makes sense, like, yeah,

974
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: but I would if if it was pure on money,

975
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: like if that was your number one goal, you would

976
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: always take a wide receiver out of an offensive lineman.

977
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: I've never heard that story in a draft room. I

978
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: don't even think I've ever read it, but it's you

979
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: might be onto something. I think what I heard is,

980
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: and it's I mean on a podcast or read somewhere,

981
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: is that Mike Brown told Zach Taylor he can make

982
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: the pick take Joe Burrow or or I mean, take

983
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase or take Penney Sewal. I don't know why

984
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: I'd let the coach make the pick, but they did,

985
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: and that might be true, that might not be true.

986
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: They just went the wide receiver. Now, Joe Burrow was

987
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,479
Speaker 1: really pushing for Jamar Chase, right, I mean he played

988
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: with them. They've had a lot of success, they won

989
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: the National Championship. But like Joe, let's just focus on

990
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: getting you healthy. We don't need you to be the

991
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: assistant GM. I live in the Bay Area, but I'm

992
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: a huge Packer fan. I've got family in Wisconsin. I

993
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: think Rogers just gets butt hurt a little too easily.

994
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: Let's say we traded him to Denver after June one.

995
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: The Packers will request multiple first round picks and take

996
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: either Judy or Sutton plus an edge rusher in return.

997
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 1: His roster won't be as loaded everyone thinks. My thoughts

998
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: are he dwindles away the rest of his career going

999
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: up against the a f C West quarterbacks and will

1000
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: regret the trade and missed the stability of Green Bay

1001
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: and playing in the weak ass NFC North thoughts. Like

1002
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: I said earlier, he's got it really good. He's got

1003
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: it really really good. The the New England Patriots sold

1004
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: their soul for Brady. Brady's best wide receiver over the

1005
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: last decade was Edelman, a seventh round former quarterback who's

1006
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: obviously an excellent player. That's the best wide receiver he

1007
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: had in his three Super Bowls in the two thousand tens.

1008
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: His best wide receiver the first three UH Super Bowls

1009
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: was Torey Brown. People like, what about Randy Moss? They

1010
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: never won a Super Bowl Randy Moss, Aaron Rodgers, they

1011
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: never take a first round wide receiver, well, because they

1012
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: nailed second and third round wide receivers Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson,

1013
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, Like, these guys are star players

1014
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: back there their offensive lines big time. Does Aaron are

1015
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: the Packers a perfect team of was not? Does he

1016
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: have it better than in the league? You bet your

1017
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: ass he does. He's got a great now. Like I said,

1018
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: if he hates Gudakins, which it feels like he does,

1019
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: then you know I get it. I don't know why.

1020
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: I need a little more details than just they drafted

1021
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: Jordan's love, But to act like Gudakins and the Packers

1022
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: of the village idiots. It's just not true. Now Aaron's

1023
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: their best player. I will never dispute that. But he's

1024
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: played with awesome players, like I remember when he got

1025
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: Greg Jennings. It's really good Donald Driver bowler he has

1026
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: played with. I remember two thousand thirteen opening weekend Niners Packers,

1027
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson made one of the best catches I've ever

1028
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: seen in person. Jordy Nelson was really freaking good. Davante

1029
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: Adams is arguably the best wide receiver in the NFL.

1030
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones is a pro bowler. It's like, yeah, if

1031
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: they had Reggie White and ray Lewis, their defense would

1032
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: be awesome. You can't have unlimited good players in every position.

1033
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: There's a salary cap, and Aaron takes up thirty five

1034
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: million dollars. All this talk about Trey Lance has got

1035
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: me thinking this. If you're North Dakota State, how much

1036
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: longer do you stay at the FCS level? Do you

1037
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: ever get tired of kicking the ass and decided to

1038
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: jump to FBS and hosts of becoming a bigger national

1039
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: brand with higher revenue. Where are you content with? Where?

1040
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: You're at right now. Boise State, Apple ash and State

1041
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: have made the jump successfully. I would argue North Dakota

1042
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: State would be better than either of them. Interested to

1043
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts, you could make the argument for Applelashan State.

1044
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: Boise has been a power for almost two decades. To

1045
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: think that North Dakota State could be Boise State, to

1046
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: me is pretty bold. Boise has consistently won the Whack

1047
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: and Mountain West since they made the move and produced

1048
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: a ton of NFL players. I get they've produced a

1049
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: couple of quarterbacks in North Dakota State and they're awesome program.

1050
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: But to think that they would be Boise State would

1051
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: be I would much rather live in Boise than Fargo.

1052
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: It's easier for them to recruit. Uh. Now, I'm with you.

1053
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: The key is what conference do you join? Does the

1054
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: Mountain West letchi in? Because if they would, if the

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Speaker 1: Mountain West, Fresno State, Nevada, San Diego State, that makes sense,

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Speaker 1: I find them. I try to do that. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I don't you'd have to get like an a D.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are requirements. I know Boise like when

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Speaker 1: they were interested in Fresno State and trying to join

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Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. Pack twelve wouldn't let him in. Academics

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Speaker 1: aren't good enough now obviously the Mountain West with Fresno State,

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Speaker 1: San Diego State, Boise State, Reno, they don't care about academics.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't know. You need to

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Speaker 1: have even numbers. It's probably a little more complicated than

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Speaker 1: just we all think. Okay, enjoy the weekend. You guys

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Speaker 1: can fire me d M S whenever at John middle

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Speaker 1: like a good grassroots marketing organic, keeping it organic and

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Speaker 1: uh and yeah, I will talk to everyone later. Godspeed, peace,