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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: Home for me.

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Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say,

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Speaker 3: well I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: Edo state?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And then and tie.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls, My

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Speaker 4: name is Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there

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Speaker 4: in beautiful sunny southern California, the one and only to

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Speaker 4: an Rubenstein.

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Speaker 5: Sir, how you.

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Speaker 1: Doing, I'm pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Ty.

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Speaker 1: Are you into time travel movies? Back to the Future.

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Speaker 5: Not Looper?

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no no no. Back to the Future, yes, Looper,

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Speaker 4: not so much, Interstellar jump case, Interstellar bookcase, yes, and no.

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Speaker 4: I really span, I really span the full spectrum here

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Speaker 4: when it comes to time travel.

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Speaker 1: All right. I'm just I'm getting more and more interested

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Speaker 1: in it because we're in what late June. We don't

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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen tomorrow, July, August, early September

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Speaker 1: in the world in football, I'm getting a little antsy.

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Speaker 1: I wish we just had answers. I just wish everybody

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Speaker 1: would be as safe as humanly possible and healthy as

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Speaker 1: humanly possible. That would be amazing. I just want to

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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen TI, and that makes two

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Speaker 1: of us, I know. And I also mentioned this because

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Speaker 1: I've already conducted the interview that you're about to hear.

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Speaker 1: And by saying that, I mean people listening to the

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Speaker 1: show and you yourself are going to hear it, and

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Speaker 1: we talk about you really and I think you're going

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Speaker 1: to like it. I think you're gonna like it. So

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Speaker 1: and I say that to people listening and to you specifically,

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Speaker 1: but I'm very excited for people to hear this show.

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Speaker 1: And the interview we did with Fox Sports is now

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports is Adam Amin about what goes into broadcasting

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Speaker 1: might that change this fall with public health restrictions and

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Speaker 1: adjustments to the broadcast. So I'm excited for you all

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Speaker 1: to hear that. But that was in the past though, it's.

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Speaker 5: The future for you, all right.

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Speaker 4: Well, I am excited to hear that as well. Don't

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Speaker 4: drill at this point. If you're a I don't know

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Speaker 4: a listener of the last few weeks, we are doing

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Speaker 4: two shows a week. At some point in the very

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Speaker 4: near future, we're going to be switching that up to

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Speaker 4: three shows a week once we start talking previews.

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Speaker 5: Once we start getting ready for the season again.

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Speaker 1: We're going to drag Bill Barnwell in here, maybe to

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Speaker 1: do a segment, a full episode, a series of episodes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got the human time to kill here.

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Speaker 4: We are going to just happy talk ourselves into believing

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Speaker 4: to be somewhat normal. We'll find out in due time,

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Speaker 4: be recording more feverishly than usual here in this I

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Speaker 4: guess young preseason now, if you want to call it that,

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Speaker 4: as we finally flipped the page onto the summer months

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Speaker 4: and finally hit us up on social media Instagram, Twitter, Facebook.

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Speaker 5: Are we working on the TikTok thing yet? Are we

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Speaker 1: I think we have to tie. We're combined seven years

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Speaker 4: I also just called it the TikTok thing, so maybe

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Speaker 4: how it looks on your picture tube in your living room.

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Speaker 4: But before we even get there, Dan.

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Speaker 1: More time travel movies.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to breaking news. Be beep.

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Speaker 4: Not so breaking, I guess, but no, some notable things

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Speaker 4: I start with Penn State coach James Franklin. James Franklin

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Speaker 4: told HBO's Real Sports that his family is going to

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Speaker 4: the coronavirus pandemic. So James Franklin has a twelve year

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Speaker 4: because it's quote the right thing to do for my daughter.

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Speaker 1: No, come fall, No, it's the human element of what's happening.

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Speaker 1: And I think we are very very quick, and I'm

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Speaker 1: that in an important way. Where James Franklin's life is

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Speaker 5: But man, that's.

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Speaker 1: Rough, tough.

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Speaker 4: That is stuff, rough tough stuff, all right. Yeah, we

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Speaker 4: wish Coach Franklin, We wish all coaches. Yeah, Coach Franklin's

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Speaker 1: Did you read the Pete Themil piece I believe in

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Speaker 4: In other news, we mentioned the vic caning thing on

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Speaker 4: CAJ in this sense is Kerrie Martin Junior. He's the

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Speaker 4: Per my understanding, the investigation is still ongoing, so we'll

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Speaker 4: only fair to announce that mister Canneg has since apologized

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Speaker 1: I hope it works out for all again. Never never

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Speaker 4: Adam Nelson on Twitter tweets out heard from a lot

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Speaker 4: The Maricopa County Community Colleges in Arizona have canceled all

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Speaker 4: Thirdly, it does beg the question what is major college

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Speaker 5: And so a.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, essentially, I mean, remember it's late June. This isn't

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Speaker 1: nine months athletics. So when you said that term major

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Speaker 4: Well, the interesting tidbit I think that this pushes up

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Speaker 4: much to the surface.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: Of course, So Toledo.

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Speaker 1: And with that I always kind of say like, it's

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Speaker 3: I fear that all of this is still just some

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Speaker 1: As do I, as do we, as does everybody listening,

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Speaker 3: these systems inside and out. Uh, they're usually local. I

439
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 3: would say there are core groups part of the production

440
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: groups that are regional. So you might get uh, you know,

441
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: folks that will work the SEC network. Uh, they'll work

442
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: the SEC CBS package. Uh, they'll do uh you know

443
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 3: Big ten for Fox and Big ten Basketball for ESPN.

444
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: Like they'll they'll kind of stay regionalized. And then you

445
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: have the people that are flying in who are the

446
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: main production people, the core of the of the truck, director,

447
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: graphics people. More often than not, these are people that

448
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: are traveling with the announcing crew every single week. And

449
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 3: that is the section of the crew. Again, we're talking

450
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: about core people, the people that are in charge of

451
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: all these different elements that are now working out of

452
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: studios that usually would be getting on a plane every

453
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: single week to travel to a football game. They may

454
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Speaker 3: be working or maybe have been adjusting to working out

455
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: of a studio now that's based in Connecticut, North Carolina, Florida, Atlanta,

456
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, whatever.

457
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Speaker 1: How many of these crew members, these core crew members,

458
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: be it producer, director, graphics people that are that are

459
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: making these on the fly decisions. How many of them

460
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: are employees of the networks, and how many of them,

461
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: and I didn't know this until pretty recently, are union

462
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: members that are specifically they work for unions that you know,

463
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Speaker 1: are camera ops or editors or graphics unions, whatever. So

464
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: when there are decisions that come down from networks regarding

465
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: whatever this fall looks like, how many of them are

466
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: actual employees of ESPN, Fox, CBS, NBC, whatever.

467
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: I would say a good chunk, but there are a

468
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: few people. I think it's it's gotten less and less

469
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: over time where networks have opted to hire more full

470
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 3: time people to have you know, especially with you know

471
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: what I saw at ESPN, with with the growth of

472
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: the ACC and SEC networks, that's a lot of inventory

473
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Speaker 3: that suddenly you are handling. Like it's not just football

474
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: and basketball, We're talking about softball, baseball, across, volleyball, gymnastics,

475
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: all of it. So I think getting more people into

476
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: full time roles has been a goal, and then assigning

477
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: those people who work full time into these you know,

478
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: multiple sports. They're working you know, ten months out of

479
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: the year producing content, producing games. There is a small

480
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 3: group still remaining that that works at somewhat of a

481
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Speaker 3: freelance level, but if listen, if you're Bill benet L

482
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 3: and you're producing the college football National Championship. If you're

483
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: Phil Dean and you're the Monday Night football guy, like

484
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: you've been an employee of ESPN or Disney or whatever

485
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: or in the past.

486
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: ABC for a long period of time.

487
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: So usually if you're working one of the big ones,

488
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 3: been one of the big events, you have a title

489
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: of some sort at ESPN, as a senior producer or

490
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: as a coordinating producer, something like that. And I imagine

491
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: it's I don't know all the intricacies and nuances of

492
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: Fox yet I'm learning I don't. I can't speak for

493
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: CBS directly, having never worked for them, but I think

494
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: this is fairly common across the board for most of

495
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: these broadcast networks.

496
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Speaker 1: How many people are typically and again we'll stick with

497
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: your like the three crew, the Number three crew, or

498
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: the sea crew for college how many people are typically

499
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: inside a stadium at any given time helping production. So,

500
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: and I'm sure I'm gonna miss people, but camera operators

501
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: and audio people and people shooting on the fly and

502
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: running back and forth between truck and field, any sort

503
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: of assistance helping out any of these people. How many

504
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: people are of these crew members are traveling two sites,

505
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: and how many of them are local? And how many

506
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: of them are just in a stadium and in Lane

507
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Stadium in Death Valley at any given time.

508
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think here, let's walk through it, right, I mean,

509
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: I think people will appreciate some of the inside baseball

510
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: of this. And you know this fairly well, Dan. So

511
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: what we've gotten past the compound, we're already you know,

512
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: in the low one hundreds maybe in terms of a

513
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 3: number of personnel. And I don't think I actually answered

514
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: it before. If I gave you a percentage on who's traveling,

515
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: I would probably tell you it's about thirty to forty percent,

516
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: depending on the show, Okay, are traveling in And I

517
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: would tell you that probably, you know, anywhere from forty

518
00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: to maybe the remaining sixty percent might be regionalized or local.

519
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 3: So I'm lumping in more people than than I think

520
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: you're asking. I divided it into two groups, but I

521
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: think the core production it's probably about thirty thirty of

522
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: those people.

523
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: And when are they getting into town? Related to kickoff?

524
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: Usually a couple days before same usually like if it's

525
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: a Saturday noon game, we're probably getting in sometime Thursday

526
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: during the day it's a Saturday night game or a

527
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: bigger game. You know, maybe you'll come in for practice.

528
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: So usually Thursday for a Saturday game, and the hours vary,

529
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: but to so we're in the low one hundred just

530
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: talking about that number. Now, let's walk into the stadium

531
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Speaker 3: we're dealing with on a big show, even on a

532
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: on a you know, second quote unquote second tier show,

533
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: like you're still looking at like nine cameras, nine or

534
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: ten cameras. So that's nine camera people. That's nine utility

535
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: people that may need to help out. Let's say four

536
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: of these are are are set cameras, you know, four

537
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: or five of them. Then you have four roaming cameras

538
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: that you're gonna need one to two assistants for.

539
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: So you know, if you're.

540
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: Looking at two for each, you know, three people per

541
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: there's twelve another four or five cameras. You know, you're

542
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: getting close to about twenty people just for camera alone.

543
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: Audio you probably need about five to ten people depending

544
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: on the number of microphones you have. You know, those

545
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: people that stand with the parabolic microphone, that big plastic

546
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: looking shield with the things sticking out that's a parabolic microphone.

547
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: You have to have somebody holding that and somebody carrying

548
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: the utility for that, the cable for that. So if

549
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: there's five of those or four of those on the field,

550
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: there's another eight to ten people that we're talking about.

551
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: So you're getting into between audio and video, audio and camera,

552
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: you know, anywhere from twenty to thirty five people probably,

553
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: and this counts people in the booth as well. And

554
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: then let's add in the announcers for another five including

555
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: support personnel, so me analyst, reporter, there's three stat spotter,

556
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: and you know on field producer, booth coordinator, somebody who

557
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: might be stage managing something like that. There's probably a

558
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: runner or an assistant. So we're getting into an additional

559
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: twenty or so people. So we're getting into the two

560
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: hundred range of personnel that are on site for a

561
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: typical decent tiered college football game. And obviously those numbers

562
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: vary with the show. Different sports are going to have

563
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: lower numbers. Indoor sports usually have lower numbers if it's

564
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: like a basketball game, just because you're contained a little

565
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: bit more.

566
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: But we're talking about.

567
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: Two hundred people, two hundred and fifty people for this

568
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: level of games. So it is a lot of people

569
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: that suddenly are in close quarters with one another. It's

570
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: groups of people that are in very close quarters with

571
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: one another. And I know that's kind of what you're

572
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: getting at with asking about this, just the level of concern.

573
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: You might have.

574
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: And I've again, as I know, we'll discuss this as well.

575
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: I've been on shows that don't have everybody on site.

576
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: In fact, two of the last four years of working

577
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: college football, I've been on a show that is announcers

578
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: on site, audio and camera on site, utilities and satellite

579
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: on site, but the core production crew audio, you know,

580
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: the main audio, the producer, director, graphics people, they're back

581
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: in Charlotte or Connecticut or Florida or La or whatever

582
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: it may be.

583
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: And so you mentioned that it's a couple of days

584
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: before that you'll generally get into town and close quarter wise.

585
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: Since this is relevant now, is what is happening beforehand?

586
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: What are where are meetings? Who's how many people are

587
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: in these meetings? Obviously, people I think have a concept

588
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 1: for announcers meeting with coaches and sort of significant players

589
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: ahead of ahead of time to sort of get a

590
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: sense for where they are mentally and to be able

591
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: to talk about Hey, I talked to the offensive coordinator

592
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: and you mentioned that they've had success doing X, Y

593
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: and Z whatever. So you have these meetings, how many people?

594
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: You know, how often are people sort of coming into

595
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: contact planning in the say, thirty six hours before kickoff?

596
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: Sure, Like I said, there's all these groups, right, So

597
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: here's the camera guys all setting up here, and they're

598
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: going to talk to the director. They're going to go

599
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: in the booth, they're going to be around the audio guys.

600
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: Then they're going to go back to the truck to

601
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: talk to the director. Then they're going to hang out

602
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: with the utility guys for lunch. So there's there's just

603
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: production people right, there's close quarter contact now the announced

604
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: announcer and production personnel that's in the meeting.

605
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: So it's usually.

606
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: The announced team, three to four people there, two to

607
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: four people there, producer, director, and yeah, I mean usually

608
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: that you want to limit it obviously, for just for

609
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 3: comfort sake for the coaches, like you want coaches, you know,

610
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: you don't want them to feel like you know, you

611
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: got it. They're telling twenty different people and stuff that

612
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: they're talking about might get out, so we try to

613
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: minimize the amount of people already. So let's let's say

614
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: there's five, you know, the three announcers. You know, two

615
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 3: announcers are reporter, the producer director. There'll be an SID

616
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: sports information director from the school that's the media relations

617
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: or PR person that handles that particular sport, maybe one

618
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: or two people from the media relations staff the SID staff,

619
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 3: and maybe one other person, you know, one other staff member.

620
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: So this number is going to range anywhere from seven

621
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: to let's say, six to twelve people for an hour

622
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: and a half. And then now let's bring in the

623
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: other coordinator. Now, let's bring in the other coach. Now,

624
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: let's bring in the quarterback who's coming back from class

625
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: after talking with his thirty classmates. Let's now talk to

626
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: the middle linebacker who's in a study hall and he

627
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: was around you know, ten or fifteen of his classmates

628
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: in the library. So, you know, like we're we're getting it.

629
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: You're sharing to see the depth and the scope of

630
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: the number of people that are involved, not only on

631
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: our broadcast, but now who else is coming into contact

632
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 3: like this on a typical week, We're we're in close

633
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: contact with some group of people, not just some person,

634
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: some group of people people on a Friday before the

635
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: Saturday game for probably a good ten to fifteen hours.

636
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: I would say, okay. And so you mentioned that in

637
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: some of your experiences that producers and graphics people and

638
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: you know people crew involved in the broadcast have been remote,

639
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: be it you know, in Florida, Charlotte's, Connecticut, whatever. What

640
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: what does that dent look like in terms of sheer

641
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: number of people you sort of talked about, you know,

642
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: getting upwards of two hundred people total when you when

643
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: you calculate everything local and people who come in for

644
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: the game. When you have that more express version, which

645
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: I assume is for financial purposes, what does that do

646
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: to your your numbers?

647
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: Right?

648
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: It significantly does minimize it. It is probably just getting

649
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: into utilities. And typically these are smaller shows quote unquote

650
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: in terms of resources, we're not typically doing you know,

651
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: if you have this designation, you're probably not on one

652
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: of the main networks every week, or if you are,

653
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 3: you know, you're it's just not that as many resources.

654
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: So you're already kind of cutting down on the number.

655
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: But let's say you're doing a seven camera game, so

656
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: you need all the camera people in their utilities. You're

657
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: gonna need you know, on site audio people, but not

658
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: the people that are in the truck, not the A

659
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: one and the audio engineers themselves. So you can probably

660
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: cut a crew somewhere between like anywhere from like a

661
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: like into half or like forty percent of and sometimes

662
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: depending on the level of show, maybe especially if you're

663
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: doing something like basketball where it's a smaller group, you

664
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: might get rid of like sixty percent of the crew

665
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: that needs to be on site. So they're Yeah, the

666
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: advantages in the past have been I mean, let's not

667
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: live about it, has been strictly fiduciary like they've been financial,

668
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: like like you said, you're trying to cut costs for

669
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: games that aren't getting as much attention. That's listen, it's

670
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: it's part of the business. It's the cost of doing it.

671
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: These days, it's unfortunate in a lot of senses. And

672
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: I'll play you know, the whiny announcer here. Sure, I

673
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: think you know it's tough tougher for us. There are

674
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: technical problems in terms of delay in terms of when

675
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: we're seeing something on a monitor during a replay compared

676
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: to calling the game in front of us so that

677
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: it matches up live with what you're.

678
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: Seeing at home.

679
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: There's a lot of like technical mumbo jumbo that that

680
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: you don't need to be as a fan, should not

681
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: concern you. It is not your job to be concerned

682
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: about it. Maybe you'll notice it now that I've told

683
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: you about it, but for the most part, people watching

684
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 3: don't really care. They're not really noticing it. So I

685
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 3: get that there's a lot of technical issues with it

686
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: that really hamper the full ability to do our job.

687
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: But I get the reasoning why I'm not. I'm a

688
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: I'm an understanding person in that sense, but it's not

689
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: ideal for most of us. But in the sense of

690
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: what you're talking about right now, when we have far

691
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: more important circumstances and certainly higher stakes than just the

692
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: camera delay, Like we're talking about people's health and all

693
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: that now, which is clearly much more important. You can

694
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: get rid of a significant number of people on site

695
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: that are going to be associating with one another. The

696
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: thing is, it's still a pretty large group that is

697
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: going to be associating with one another regardless.

698
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: I was at I visited one of the conference networks.

699
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: I guess I won't say which it doesn't really matter.

700
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: But I visited one of the conference networks once to

701
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: meet with a bunch of people there that I've known

702
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: for a long time, and they showed me the control

703
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: room and that a lot of their college basketball production

704
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: and switching, so cutting between camera angles and cutting too

705
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: graphics are actually done in that production facility, the home

706
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: of the conference network. And it got me to thinking,

707
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: how much could you do in the way with football,

708
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: with I suppose more moving pieces than basketball. Could we

709
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: be talking about a situation either Fox, ESPN, somebody that's

710
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: broadcasting a number of games on a given Saturday, potentially

711
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: how many games I guess at the same time could

712
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: they be producing. Are these these places outfitted to have

713
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, a Fox Sports game, a Fox game and

714
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: a Fox Sports two game or whatever, yeah, going on

715
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: at the same time, sam with the ESPN family of networks,

716
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: Is that logistically possible? Are are there the control rooms

717
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: to do it?

718
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: So I'm speaking out of turn here strictly because speculates

719
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: this is this is my own experience. This is my

720
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: own experience, So improvements may have been made since, and

721
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 3: I know that's certainly something that the folks at ESPN

722
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: and Disney do want to think about they they want

723
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 3: to improve these control rooms. So let's let's discuss that first.

724
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: These control rooms are really nice, Like you go to

725
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: Texas A and M, where they've been doing stuff like

726
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: this far before the SEC network, Like they're they're advanced,

727
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: Like they have one of the best facilities in the country.

728
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: The stadiums and the facilities are outfitted for production like this.

729
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: They're outfitted for that.

730
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: And that's what was done at a lot of these

731
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: SEC and ACC schools. It was done with this in

732
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 3: mind to produce games for the network from campus and

733
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: to not obviously that saves you cost in the long run,

734
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: but it's also a really good opportunity for people who are.

735
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: Nineteen twenty twenty one, twenty two years.

736
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: Old to obviously broadcast, be on air or get on

737
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: a production track and learn how to produce games and

738
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: learn what like each part of the truck or in

739
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: this case, control room does for a live broadcast, work

740
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: a camera, work a you know, like there's a lot

741
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: of great opportunity here.

742
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 2: Now.

743
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: When this was initially done, it was never done with

744
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: football in mind, because football, as you said, a lot

745
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: more moving pieces but the grandeur of the board itself,

746
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: the meaning and wait on each game every single week

747
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: and listen. Obviously, there are some clunkers every single week regardless,

748
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: like you're just going to have them based on record

749
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: and chance. But I think the level of pageantry that

750
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: goes with football is on a much bigger scale than

751
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: I think a control room is truly capable of handling,

752
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: at least the ones that I saw on site and

753
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: the ones that you've seen probably at various schools like

754
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 3: Notre Dame is a little bit better. They have some

755
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: connectivity to their football stadium because it's so close. I'm

756
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: sure there are schools that have some level of connectivity.

757
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: And again we're getting into some real inside baseball.

758
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: But like the.

759
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: Cable systems, the fiber systems that transfer information from one

760
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: place to another at a very quick rate, that's why

761
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: you can do control room broadcasts of basketball, softball, soccer,

762
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: where you may not have volleyball, especially the indoor stuff.

763
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: Maybe not even soccer, but the indoor stuff it is

764
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: a lot easier to handle. It's just smaller. It's easier

765
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: to have that level of capability. You can do it

766
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: for bigger sports. Notre Dame has done it for lacrosse,

767
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: field hockey, things like that. But there's just still something

768
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 3: about the grandeur of football and the expectation that you

769
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: as a fan have when you're watching football on a Saturday,

770
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: you expect a certain level of production, and I don't

771
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: think those control rooms are made for that. The other

772
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: part of this is the networks themselves that have control rooms.

773
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: Now.

774
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: Fox has done an excellent job I think of handling NASCAR,

775
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: CBS and Turner have done it with some golf where

776
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: they've been able to handle this, I think, you know,

777
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: I think you can do this at these networks, like

778
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: ESPN has handled it with.

779
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 2: College football pretty well.

780
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: I would say, I don't know if I asked a

781
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: casual fan watching at home if they knew our Thursday

782
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: night broadcast had any type of technical or malfunction. We

783
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: had our own issues, But the hope is that you

784
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: don't recognize that now that I've told you. You may

785
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 3: actually notice it if you go back on YouTube and

786
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: watch Baylor, West Virginia or North Carolina Wake Forest. But

787
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: the networks themselves have capabilities. I think ESPN has two

788
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: or three in Bristol. I think they have two or

789
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: three in Charlotte. They have two or three in Florida.

790
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: That's why the Wide World of Sports compound is the

791
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: attractive destination for the NBA because their infrastructure is in

792
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: place to handle that at a high level. So that's

793
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: what we're talking about. I know that was a lot

794
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: of information, Dan, but I think that's what you're looking for.

795
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: That's kind of where all these these networks are at

796
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: in terms of capability. You can handle two or three

797
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: games a day, but you may not be able to

798
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: do two or three games at a time from the same.

799
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: Campus.

800
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: You can do two, you know, you can do one

801
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: at a time from Connecticut, one at a time from Orlando,

802
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 3: maybe two out of Charlotte at the same time. So,

803
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: like that's what we're talking about in terms of capability.

804
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: The odds are, if you're listening to this and you're

805
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: a fan of sports, that you've watched a game, maybe

806
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: even probably recently, in which the broadcasters are not on site.

807
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: The broadcasters are in Connecticut or LA or Charlotte or whatever,

808
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: while the game might be in Soeul, South Korea, or

809
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: just thousands of miles away from where the broadcasters are.

810
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: My assumption is you've called a game remotely, just because

811
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: most broadcasters at some point seem to have had that experience,

812
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: have you, And if so, what's it like to call

813
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: a game and a quiet both very far away from

814
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: the actual field.

815
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a stretch of time where you know,

816
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 3: let me, let me give you a little bit, a

817
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: little bit of.

818
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: Jargon here.

819
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 3: Sure, So we have what we call remy productions are

820
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: E M I. That essentially means remote integration RIM remote

821
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: I integration. So what that means is integrating a studio

822
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 3: setup with a remote setup to broadcast the same thing.

823
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: Like usually, how this works is the people on site,

824
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: the whole production team creates the broadcast and then the

825
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: satellite truck beams it back all in one piece to

826
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: the campus site Bristol, let's call, let's use Bristol for

827
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: the example here. In these REMY productions, that production is

828
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 3: done completely out of the completely from the campus, out

829
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: of the studio. What is called remy pro is what

830
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: I've done mostly is I'm on site, announcers are on site.

831
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: It's what we just discussed, Dan, Yeah, the core production

832
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: crew is back in a studio. So now instead of

833
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 3: producing out of the same site, you are produce sing

834
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: the same item, the same game, the same event, from

835
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: two different sites, and you're trying to integrate those and

836
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: that's where all the technical issues come into play delays

837
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 3: and things like that. So I just told you about

838
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: Remy pro with what we were doing announcers on site

839
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: production back at campus. Remy is when all of us

840
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 3: are on campus and I'm in a control room with

841
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: four monitors, maybe five monitors in front of me. Typically

842
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: when you're doing these shows, it's a smaller show, so

843
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: you're only looking at a basketball game, of baseball game, softball, soccer, volleyball,

844
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: something a little bit more contained. I've never done a

845
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 3: football game like this, and I think the only football

846
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: game I can recall was that game in Australia. I

847
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: want to say it was like, oh yeah, Sanford and Hawaii.

848
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: Maybe I can't remember that thinks call in Hawaii. Ye,

849
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: so yeah, I think we remember that. I think that

850
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: was done with the annow every buddies in Connecticut and

851
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: they're just getting a feedback, right. That's what a REMI

852
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: show is when it's all done. That's what Olympic broadcasts

853
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: have done for years.

854
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: You know.

855
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: Olympic field hockey has been done like that forever.

856
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: Smaller tennis tournaments. I know, tennis tournament, I've seen pictures.

857
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve's done that out of the Tennis Channel studio

858
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: in California, when something is happening in Paris, like you

859
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 3: can do that. That's been going on for a long time,

860
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: so it shouldn't be anything of shock value to any fan.

861
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: It's been done for a long period. It is easy,

862
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: fairly easy to do. For something self contained like basketball.

863
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: Typically you're only getting a four camera setup for most

864
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 3: basketball games. You know, there's so many there's so many

865
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: games happening on any given night, so you're producing a

866
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: lot of games I think having you know, four cameras,

867
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 3: so each camera, each monitor in your little control room

868
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: has one of the camera views on it that are

869
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: moving at various times. And then you have what's called

870
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: the program feed, and program is the same thing that

871
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: you are getting at home. Everything I'm seeing is what

872
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: you're seeing at home. That's where the cuts happen, you know,

873
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: from camera to camera, that's where the graphics pop up.

874
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: That's the feed that you and I are both going

875
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 3: to see if we were to watch it on our couches.

876
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: So we're trying to take things that we would typically

877
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: be looking at physically while we're on site, Like I'm

878
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: going to look at the bench to see what the

879
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 3: coach's reaction is to his star player committing his second

880
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: foul in the first half. I would typically just look

881
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: at the coach. Here, I'm at the mercy of the cameras.

882
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: So if the camera's looking at a coach, great, I

883
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: can comment on that reaction and be able to say, man,

884
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 3: Bob Huggins is apoplectic after that last foul call. If

885
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm not looking, if the camera isn't looking at that,

886
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 3: then I can't be looking at that. So I'm at

887
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: the mercy of the camera crew. And what's hard about

888
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: that in football is usually these shows have more cameras.

889
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 3: There's a lot more going on, there's a lot more

890
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: to look at.

891
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

892
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 3: You know that that you're you're looking at personnel shifts

893
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 3: constantly after every play to so you know, if it's

894
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: four receivers, there are three. If they're bringing in the

895
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 3: third tight end, like, you're paying attention to these things

896
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: in the booth, and I can see that from the

897
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 3: bird's eye view, Here comes the tight end package, Here

898
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: comes the full back whatever. I it's hard to do

899
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: that in football when there are so many more elements

900
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: that you need to pay attention to. It's a lot

901
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: easier for something like basketball, baseball, soccer, Like it's just

902
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: easier to do it when it's a little bit more

903
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: self contained.

904
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: Right, You're always going to have a camera trying to

905
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: find the quarterback who just threw a backbreaking interception on

906
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: the sideline so you can react and like, oh gosh,

907
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: it's brutal to see this guy as he's you know,

908
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: sulking at the end of the bench on the phone

909
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: with the coordinator. That those are the That's what sort

910
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: of the it feels like the difference might be between

911
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: a full production with all of the elements and all

912
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: of the cameras and all of the visuals and what

913
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: an express production might look like. Yeah, I think.

914
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 3: I think the other part of it too is you

915
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: can't really One thing that I think separates really great

916
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: announcers is the level of anticipation that you can recall

917
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 3: from like when you when you can anticipate something big

918
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 3: happening in the game, uh, or even something small as

919
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: substitution whatever, you can be out in front of it

920
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 3: and be able to relay that to your audience. Part

921
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 3: of anticipation, Like on a big throw, long throw, deep

922
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: throw down the sideline, right if AJ McCarron's thrown to

923
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 3: Amari Cooper and I see the separation that Cooper already has.

924
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 3: The cameras may not see that, so you may not

925
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: see it at home. You're looking at the offensive line

926
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: and AJ mccheron scanning the field, but I from the

927
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 3: booth can see Amari Cooper start to separate, and I

928
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 3: can add that into the call. When mcaren lets go

929
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: of the ball, go, you know, mccaren downfield, he's got Cooper.

930
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: Cooper's got steps. And now the camera is catching up

931
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: as the ball is thrown, and you're already and you're

932
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: already excited because my voice is going up. That means

933
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: you're feeling like, oh, something important may happen. And then

934
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: you're looking for a Mari Cooper. He gets a separation.

935
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 3: There's a seventy five yard touchdown, and you and I,

936
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 3: as a broadcaster and fan of connected on that. You

937
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: lose some of that when you're doing these games from

938
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: a control room. You lose a lot of that. When

939
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: you can't feel you may get the fan noise on

940
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 3: a typical broadcast, when fans are in the studio in

941
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: the stands right, you may get that noise piped in,

942
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: but you don't feel it. So let's say we're doing

943
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: games without fans, we're going to lose that. We're not

944
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: going to have that feel from the crowd, which makes

945
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: our job that much more important to you at home.

946
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: But we're still if.

947
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: We're limited by not being on site or if you

948
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: have to work with you know, being in a control

949
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: room and just looking at the cameras in front of you,

950
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 3: the monitors in front of you, you're not going to

951
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: have that same bird's eye view, that omnistion point of

952
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 3: view that allows for that level of anticipation. So that's

953
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: what That's a really deep dive into what broadcasters in

954
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: particular and broadcast crews in general are battling to try

955
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: to give you, as a fan, the same experience that

956
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 3: you're used to.

957
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: From what you've seen so far. With sports leagues who

958
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: have begun playing once again, be it tennis, be a golf,

959
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: be it Bundesliga or Premier League overseas, the Korean baseball,

960
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: what do you anticipate an express football broadcast looking like

961
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: that you know, has has lessoned stadium, has fewer people

962
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: in stadium crew wise, has fewer you know, toys to

963
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: play with, cameras, audio graphics wise, if you had. I mean,

964
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: I assume part of this is speculation, because I assume ESPN, Fox, CBS, whoever,

965
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: they have not fully made their decisions about who's essential

966
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: what's essential. But if you have to speculate on how

967
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: any of these networks in presumably empty or emptier stadiums,

968
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: what those college football broadcasts might look like, where's the

969
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: fat to cut? And what is essential?

970
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think certain camera. Again, as you said, I'll

971
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 3: reiterate just for my own for posterity sake. Again, I'm

972
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: speculating off this just based on my past experiences and

973
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 3: just trying to read the room a little bit. But

974
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: if I'm having to make that decision, it's not an

975
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 3: easy decision to make what to cut what not to cut.

976
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 3: I imagine you still need I think four or five

977
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: cameras minimum to be able to properly give you the

978
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: same X and O football that you want, you know,

979
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 3: the replays that you need and want. You know, you

980
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: could probably have a cart camera. The cart camera is

981
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: important because oftentimes those are the camera that are lined

982
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: up on the goal line or on the first down marker,

983
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 3: you know. And obviously the bigger the show, the more

984
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: opportunities and entry points you may have into that and

985
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 3: the more angles you can cover. But for the most part,

986
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: even on the smallest football shows, you're trying to have

987
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: a cart cam or a line cam. You're trying to

988
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: have what's called a slash which is an angled camera

989
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: so you can see a lot. You know, you can

990
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 3: get a lot of a picture. I know a lot

991
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 3: of you have probably heard of All twenty two.

992
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: You know, the one of the.

993
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: First extra resources we look for when the show or

994
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: game is bigger as the All twenty two cam, yep,

995
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: which we like to use. Got no, no, that's a different one.

996
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 3: So that's skycam.

997
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: When I say skycam, I mean it's shot from the

998
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: top of the stage, a stationary camera, a stationary.

999
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 3: ALL twenty two cam with with you know, you see

1000
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: All twenty two players and then yeah, the skycam as well,

1001
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 3: like will we see Will we use a skycam anymore?

1002
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: Because because you know, part of the reason we use

1003
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: it is because it has great access to shots of fans,

1004
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: But I think the main purpose for it is you

1005
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 3: kind of see what the quarterback seas. You get it's

1006
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 3: cool views like it's usual you can't get. That's why

1007
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: it's on the big shows, the big college shows and

1008
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: the big NFL shows. It just looks awesome. So will

1009
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 3: we even bother with that anymore? If fans aren't in

1010
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: the stands, we won't need the fans in the crowd

1011
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: or the camera people in the crowd anymore that are

1012
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: kind of roaming because there's no fans to look at.

1013
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 3: So you may only need one or two of your

1014
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 3: camera guys. After a goal is scored in a soccer match,

1015
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: all right, you know what often the communication is like is,

1016
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 3: let's say a touchdown scored, and you have five cameras

1017
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: to work with, one of them being the game camera

1018
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 3: that's following the main action, so that's one knocked out

1019
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: the other four. You might tell them if you're the director, hey,

1020
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 3: let's get Steve Spurrier after a touchdown. Let's get Paul

1021
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 3: Johnson after a touchdown. Give me the quarterback who threw

1022
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: the pass and the receiver who caught it. If you

1023
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 3: have a fifth camera, that can go, all right, give

1024
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: me fans in the student section, if you get another camera,

1025
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: give me the fans in the in the road teams

1026
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: student section that are celebrating of the road team touchdown.

1027
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: Like these are the priority checklists that you do, and

1028
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 3: you're lopping a lot of these off now, trying to

1029
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 3: figure out what angles do I get after the touchdown?

1030
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: Before?

1031
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 3: Where am I parking these cameras? What can I use

1032
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: as a replay? What's essential? So that's kind of the

1033
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 3: thought process of of that. You're you're gonna lose a

1034
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: lot of audio in general, I would imagine, or let's

1035
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 3: say you get a bigger show that says we want

1036
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 3: to have players Mike doub Well, now you need people,

1037
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 3: you know, you need audio people to serve that purpose

1038
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: and to serve that role. So you know, we may

1039
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: hear the interactions on the bigger shows, maybe you won't

1040
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: hear them on a third third level, you know, a

1041
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 3: C level or D level games. So that's I can't

1042
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 3: tell you exactly what the priority list is right now,

1043
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: but I think that's some of the thought process as

1044
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: to where you're trying to what you're looking at in

1045
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 3: terms of keeping and cutting.

1046
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: We briefly mentioned the skycam, wirecam. The it's the as

1047
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: people know, the camera that is flying literally flying on

1048
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: a wire over the field, capturing plays, you know, sideline

1049
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: fans whatever, as you mentioned. That's that's remote controlled by

1050
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: I believe, two people and a producer in a booth.

1051
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's the X and X Y and then

1052
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: z Axcess, I believe is what people are controlling. Cameras

1053
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: can be automated in that way? Can cameras throughout the

1054
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: stadium that are you know, on whether the tripods or

1055
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: stands or whatever. Can those be automated? From a technological standpoint,

1056
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: can somebody remote control those? Can they be automated? From

1057
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: a union standpoint? Are they allowed to be automated given

1058
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: union contracts with with these networks? What is the status

1059
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: of unmanned personed cameras? I think again, I'm speaking just

1060
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: from my own angle here, because I don't know everything

1061
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: about this, and I've talked to a lot of camera

1062
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: guys about it because I am fascinated by it. So

1063
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm speaking as a somewhat educated fan of this, of

1064
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: this angle of it. But I don't know if.

1065
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 3: We're at manned unmanned cameras for wide game action. So

1066
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 3: for a football game, you'll typically have three cameras up top,

1067
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 3: you know that give you all of the angles. Usually

1068
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 3: there's one at midfield and then there's one somewhere on

1069
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: both sides between the twenty and the thirty. So that's

1070
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: how you get the full field coverage, just depending on

1071
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: where the ball is, what yard line it's spotted at.

1072
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: So those cameras are really hard to leave unmanned. They're

1073
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: the bigger cameras, yeah, that you see. You know, you'll

1074
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: see the shots you know during Thanksgiving like hey, look

1075
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 3: at our great camera crew and they're I mean it's

1076
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 3: both arms. You're you got to do a lot of work,

1077
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: you know, to rotate that. If you're a cameraman or

1078
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 3: camera woman, you got a lot of a lot of

1079
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: work to do there, and you have a lot of

1080
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: ground to cover because if there is a seventy yard

1081
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,479
Speaker 3: pass you or a forty yard pass in the air,

1082
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: you got to cover that. And that is that's a

1083
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 3: human element that is really hard to recreate sure with

1084
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: just a remote control. And then you're getting into the

1085
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: delay aspect of it, where somebody regardless is going to

1086
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 3: have to be on site because if you're trying to

1087
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: Let's say there is a person back in Connecticut that

1088
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 3: is manning the skycam, but the.

1089
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 6: Picture you need someone they're setting it up. You need

1090
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 6: someone setting it up. Might as well have them using it. Yeah,

1091
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 6: you might as well have them use that. And then,

1092
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 6: by the way, there's also the five to seven second

1093
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 6: delay that now I'm like, you can't make up for that.

1094
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 6: So I think those specific cameras are really hard to

1095
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 6: not have a human on them. Like, it's just too

1096
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 6: many reactions, there's too many permutations that cannot be predicted

1097
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 6: and can't. We don't have that technology yet, you know,

1098
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 6: and I think someday we might, But I also think

1099
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 6: that's a long ways away. That's a really long ways away,

1100
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 6: and you're gonna have to have somebody on site anyway.

1101
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 6: So I feel like that's a moot point. I think

1102
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,959
Speaker 6: there are some cameras as Slash maybe in All twenty

1103
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 6: two that can be unmanned or used via remote control.

1104
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 6: I do think there's a capability of that, But the

1105
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 6: main cameras that we care about that are essential to

1106
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 6: the game, I don't think are at a point yet

1107
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 6: where they can be unmanned.

1108
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: So if I am sort of reading between the lines

1109
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: that you're writing. I'm hearing there are going to be

1110
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: fewer camera angles, there are going to be fewer audio personnel.

1111
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: Much of the production will be remote, as especially the

1112
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: networks build up their capabilities in the remote way. I

1113
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: think we'll probably not see sideline reporters with the protesting

1114
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: that they'll have to be at two players and even

1115
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: postgame post game is it's not gonna look like what

1116
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: we're used to. We're gonna have to have I suppose

1117
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: feeds of reporters asking questions to coaches and players in

1118
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: a school studio, a school you know, you have a

1119
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: backdrop whatever that we're used to, and that's gonna have

1120
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: to be fed and controlled, and that's going to be

1121
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: an intricate dance.

1122
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, the to go back a

1123
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 3: little bit, even into the prelude to the games themselves,

1124
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 3: like the conference call or the coaches meetings that we

1125
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 3: were talking about, where all these people are in like

1126
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 3: zoom zoom and Skype and FaceTime and all of it,

1127
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 3: like that's gonna be used and that's that may not

1128
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 3: go anywhere that that that actually and which by the way,

1129
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 3: I had an interesting conversation with somebody about this. Do

1130
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: you need that to necessarily do the job? Do you

1131
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 3: do you need to be in person to really do

1132
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 3: the job. I think there's a level of comfort that

1133
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 3: comes with being face to face. I think there is

1134
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 3: a level of trust that comes when you're in the room.

1135
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 3: But there are also NFL and college coaches, and this

1136
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: depends on the coach themselves. Like they may be they

1137
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 3: may not care. They say, oh, it's all good. I

1138
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 3: know you're just trying to do your job. We're on

1139
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 3: a zoom call or a phone call or a conference

1140
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 3: call or whatever. I'll give you the info that you need.

1141
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 3: Some coaches are more tight lipped on the phone than

1142
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: they are in person. They're you know, there's the trust

1143
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 3: factor is there. Some coaches don't care at all and

1144
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: they're not going to give you anything anyway. So, like

1145
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 3: I think the mileage varies on that from depending on

1146
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 3: which angle you're coming from.

1147
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: But I do think that's going to be a main

1148
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: thing that's used.

1149
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 3: And then to go back to what you were talking

1150
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 3: about in the post game, I think that's that's going

1151
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: to continue to be used as well. I think that's

1152
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 3: going to be every beat writer may just get the

1153
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: zoom link in their email ten minutes after the close

1154
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 3: of the the you know, the final horn, and it's like, hey,

1155
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 3: here's the zoom link. Coach Mike Leach will join you, you know,

1156
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 3: ten minutes after the final whistle sounds and just be

1157
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: ready to go. Like we may end up doing it

1158
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 3: that way. So the technology is there for a lot

1159
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 3: of these things, and that can be a good thing.

1160
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: Obviously.

1161
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 3: My honest concern for the future is that networks and

1162
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 3: companies are going to go, well, we saved a lot

1163
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: of money doing it this way. Should we just do

1164
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 3: it like this all the time? And I'm sure we're

1165
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 3: gonna have to find a little bit of a balance there.

1166
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 3: I hope they would ask for our input, and I

1167
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 3: think I would be honest in my assessments. I think

1168
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 3: I've been honest so far in this to say, like, there, listen,

1169
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 3: I don't need to meet with every coach to do

1170
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 3: my job properly. I don't have to sit down with it.

1171
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 3: And if it's the right type of person who's cool

1172
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 3: and in the NFL where you have broadcast crews, I've

1173
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 3: been doing NFL games for ten to twenty years with

1174
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: coaches that have been there or been in the league

1175
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 3: for five to fifteen years. Like, everybody knows each other

1176
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: in some of these circumstances, so you don't need to

1177
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 3: be in person. Everybody trusts one another. And again, my

1178
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 3: concern is that the financial benefits are going to completely

1179
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 3: overtake the benefits of doing it the old way. I

1180
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 3: understand the financial benefits of this, you know, the cost

1181
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 3: cutting benefits of this, but I also think in some

1182
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 3: of these elements it's way better just quality wise, quality wise,

1183
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 3: to be there and to be in person and to

1184
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 3: be on the same page. And I got to tell you,

1185
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 3: I've done it with the producers and core crew back

1186
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 3: in Connecticut or whatever, and I've done it with everybody together,

1187
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: and man, everybody together is just so much better. It

1188
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 3: just is the camaraderie that we have on these groups,

1189
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 3: on these crews, the friendships that I've made that last

1190
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: forever because of the people I went through. You know,

1191
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 3: was was crawling through the proverbial trenches through of these broadcasts.

1192
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 3: You know, this is this is I think you described

1193
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 3: it perfectly in that video you're referencing that that piece

1194
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 3: you put together, it's a symphony of chaos or something

1195
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 3: along those lines.

1196
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: And when you have any type.

1197
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: Of people who've abandoned you in the Yes.

1198
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mac all the way from our booth coordinator to

1199
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 3: Mac Brown himself.

1200
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: So correct.

1201
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 3: When you go through those those full seasons with people together,

1202
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 3: you really gain a camaraderie and the quality of the

1203
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 3: product is higher. I truly believe when you're all together.

1204
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that we get back to some form or

1205
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 3: fashion of that as soon as possible. I understand if

1206
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 3: it's not going to be the case for twenty twenty.

1207
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: So one of the things you mentioned was you didn't know,

1208
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps people didn't even realize that some of

1209
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: the production elements were out of Bristol this past season

1210
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: when you're doing Thursday nights. So let's say you are

1211
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: a smart fan. Let's say you are you know, you're

1212
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 1: really attentive, and you're perceptive, and you sort of can

1213
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: can spot things or pick up on things that seem

1214
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: a little bit off a Tie hilden Brandt type. You know,

1215
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: you're watching your game in.

1216
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: You can't you can't get You can't get anything past

1217
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 3: the man on his couch in Eastern Pennsy and the

1218
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 3: man does loyal and next to him he is is

1219
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 3: noticing all of this stuff.

1220
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: That's true, it's it's I wish we could get but no,

1221
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: Tie is very perceptive about this stuff. So you're you're

1222
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: a Tie hilden Brant type, You're on your couch, you're

1223
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: watching your your sixty five inch led TV, a Minnesota

1224
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: Penn State game or whatever. Sure, what do you believe,

1225
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: with again informed speculation, what will be the most noticeable

1226
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: difference between a game you're used to in twenty sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

1227
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: nineteen and potentially what that experience where you're you'll say

1228
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 1: something in your head like, huh, that's definitely different, that's

1229
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: definitely a new way of doing things in these very

1230
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: strange times. What's going to be the most obvious visual difference?

1231
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously if there aren't fans in the stands,

1232
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 3: that'll be the most jarring, certainly, so kind of kind

1233
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 3: of disregarding that more on the technical side, and you're

1234
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 3: sitting on your couch, I would say, the kind of

1235
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 3: in between plays shots that you're really yes, I think so.

1236
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 3: But even then in a big baseball game, in a

1237
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: playoff game, like one of the reasons Joe Buck is

1238
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: so revered amongst the people in the industry is because he,

1239
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 3: especially on baseball in his entire career, has been tremendous

1240
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 3: at letting the director be one of the stars of

1241
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 3: a broadcast, because you're when you're three and two, two out,

1242
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 3: seventh inning, one run, game tying run at second home

1243
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 3: team is pitching, and you know you got to that

1244
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 3: two strikes point. Between every pitch up until the end

1245
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,479
Speaker 3: of the inning, there is a shot of a fan

1246
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 3: with their hand buried and head buried in their hands.

1247
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 3: There is a fan going nuts. You know, there are

1248
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 3: people that look shot, I mean surrender. Cobra is a

1249
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: director and camera person finding that guy. That's true, you know,

1250
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 3: like the LSU girl with the unimpressed look on her face. Yeah,

1251
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 3: that is skycam and a really good director on that

1252
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 3: CBS show finding her. You don't get those moments without

1253
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 3: a great director and a great camera person and a

1254
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 3: great crowd. And those shots not only smooth out the

1255
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 3: edges of the broadcast. And when I say that, I

1256
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 3: mean coming back from the commercial or going to the

1257
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 3: commercial break or whatever it may be. Not only do

1258
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 3: they smooth out those rougher edges, with great shots, beautiful

1259
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 3: shots of fans or whatever. In game, you're building tension somehow.

1260
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 3: If it's third down and eight and LSU is playing

1261
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 3: in death Valley against Ole Miss or Auburn and it's

1262
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 3: third down and eight and those edge guys are going

1263
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: to pin their ears back and Dave Randa's calling for

1264
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 3: a blitz, the crowd is gonna let you know that

1265
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 3: that stuff's about to go down, and the announcers will

1266
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 3: play off of that. If I'm hearing that, I'll just say,

1267
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 3: third down and eight, LSU loves to blitz here, Let's

1268
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 3: see what they bring. And then it's seven seconds of

1269
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 3: crowd shots and the noise, and then you know Bowl

1270
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 3: Bonnicks going up to the line of scrimmage and trying

1271
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 3: to battle the crowd and point to the sideline and

1272
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 3: point to the receivers. Like all of that is part

1273
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 3: of the build up to some of the more fun

1274
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 3: moments of the night that you're watching and listening to

1275
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 3: on your couch. Those go away and that will probably

1276
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 3: be the most jarring thing that I think will will

1277
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 3: be affected to, like the like the most visceral thing

1278
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 3: that I think you'll feel the lack of noise, the

1279
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 3: lack of fans, but the visual and psychological and oral

1280
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 3: effect that has on your enjoyment of the game as

1281
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 3: a as a fan watching the broadcast.

1282
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: So it'll have the emotional energy of big Sky baseball.

1283
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 3: Like I'm thinking back to my days of doing minor

1284
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 3: league baseball. Yeah, and listen on a Friday or Saturday

1285
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 3: night when there's fireworks.

1286
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: Or it's it's dancing.

1287
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 3: Every those days you might get you're gonna get two

1288
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 3: thousand to six thousand people, depending on the team and

1289
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 3: the night. But if it's Monday night for a team

1290
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 3: that's two games under five hundred, you're not gonna have

1291
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 3: more than maybe five hundred to one thousand people in

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Speaker 3: the stands anyway, and they're probably not gonna be overtly engaged.

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Speaker 3: The Oregon will play, the PA guy will will introduce

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Speaker 3: every bat, or the walk up music will play. As

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Speaker 3: a broad either and there's a broadcaster, you just kind

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01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,799
Speaker 3: of work off that, and then you know your bigger

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Speaker 3: calls are not gonna be as big. They have to

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Speaker 3: be relative to the atmosphere. And I remember that from

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Speaker 3: nine years ago doing minor league baseball. I remember that

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Speaker 3: from doing games where there frankly, just aren't that many

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Speaker 3: people in the crowd. I've done plenty of games like

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Speaker 3: that in my life, and I understand that I'm still

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01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: going to be excited to do games. I'm still gonna

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Speaker 3: have fun. I'm still gonna enjoy a four hundred and

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01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 3: fifty foot home run. I'm still going to enjoy a touchdown,

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01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 3: you know, a seventy five yard run for a score.

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Speaker 3: But the noise that you hear coming out of my mouth,

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01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 3: and I imagine my analyst and and every broadcast career

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01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 3: you watch is going to shift relative to the atmosphere.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I'm I feel like everybody is smarter for this.

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01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: I hope just fifty some odd minutes, because this stuff

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01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 1: is fascinating to me. It really is, and it's going

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01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: to be so strange because where college football really differentiates

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01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: itself is the energy around the game, be it tailgating,

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 1: be it bands, cheerleaders, you know, people you know, leaving

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01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: the stadium in the middle of the game to go

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01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: drink some more outside of the stadium. And the traditions

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01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: and the mascots and the bells that are shaken by

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State fans, and so it's going to you know,

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Speaker 1: we sort of joke about how different it's going to be,

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01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: but it's not going to be college football. It'll be football,

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: but there is going to be the seasoning is going

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01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: to be gone. For sure.

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Speaker 3: It'll be college football in the sense of there are

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Speaker 3: colleges playing football, and that's why it will be college football,

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01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,520
Speaker 3: but college football with a capital C and a capital

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01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 3: F the way you and I have fallen in love

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 3: with it, or the way you and I have enjoyed it.

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 3: It is. It's just gonna be different, and and and

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01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 3: and what I would also say is, listen, I'm hoping

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01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 3: that we get to the point where this is an

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Speaker 3: interesting one year experiment.

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Speaker 1: Great.

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01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 3: And by the way, if you want this to be

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 3: an experiment, wear your damn masks please, like I like, please,

1336
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 3: just do what smart people are trying to tell you

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01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 3: to do for the sake of having If you don't

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01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 3: want to, if you don't care about the guy next

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 3: to you, so be it, care about the team that

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01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 3: you're root for, because I would like to be at

1341
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 3: these places to call games for you. It's you may

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01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 3: not be in the stands regardless, but let some of

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01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 3: us be there, including the players. Themselves so that we

1344
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 3: can bring these games to you. That that's why I

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01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 3: implore you, so I'll get off my soapbox.

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01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: Not a controversial statement to me.

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01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a controversial statement.

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 3: I really I don't feel like I'm going out to

1349
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 3: limb to say listen to medical people. But anyway, Like again,

1350
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 3: the point of this is, it's going to be different.

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01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 2: No matter what.

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01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 3: It is going to be odd. It will be jarring

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01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 3: for a sure, and it will feel at times and

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01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 3: I don't use this word facetiously, it will be eerie

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01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 3: to kind of see. Let's even say there's capacity to

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01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 3: see twenty thousand people at neil And Stadium instead of

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01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 3: one hundred and seven thousand people. That is that is weird.

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01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 3: It is strange. So just be ready for that. Let's

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01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 3: let's still operate with them. I'm going to operate under

1360
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 3: the positive assumption that we will have some level of

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01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 3: college football season until they tell me otherwise. I'm I'm

1362
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 3: gonna try to be positive yet maybe not optimistic about it,

1363
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 3: but it's I'm preparing myself myself mentally for what it's

1364
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 3: going to sound and feel like and look like for

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01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 3: for some strange possibilities and I would I would implore

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01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 3: you to just prepare yourselves for it.

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: Adam Imain, thank you very very much for your time,

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01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 1: your insights, your your expertise, your informed speculation once again

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01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: on all things that have not I don't think been

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01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: decided yet by the power of that page.

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Speaker 3: I haven't and I haven't had conversations with with my

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01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 3: employers Fox about this yet because the broadcast networks, again

1373
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: I'm giving you insight and some some informed speculation just

1374
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 3: based off of experience, The broadcast networks are in a

1375
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 3: holding pattern. You know, I think you guys discussed it

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01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 3: on your latest episode. You know the broadcast networks are

1377
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 3: holding back. This is that they're at the mercy of

1378
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 3: the sport itself in a lot of aspects, including the

1379
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 3: playoff selection, which there's there's my one parting shot as well,

1380
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,799
Speaker 3: like the networks are at the mercy of the game

1381
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 3: and until the game decides, we have a plan, we

1382
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 3: know how we're going to do this, and we're going

1383
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 3: to make it happen. Let's and here's the data will happen.

1384
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 3: The networks themselves are in a holding pattern as well,

1385
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:57,520
Speaker 3: So I I I end with that. So my apologies

1386
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 3: for for that final ramble.

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Speaker 1: No worries once again, Adam Amin, who is new to

1388
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: Fox Sports, who is new to the Chicago Bulls, and

1389
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: hopeful at some point we're going to get some basketball

1390
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: with Adam Amean calling it, and an improved Bulls team

1391
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: because I am dearly married to a hardcore Chicago sports family,

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01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: so that would be great, an improved Bulls team. I

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01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: speak for myself only, and good luck with everything. Good

1394
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: luck with however it is that you're able to navigate

1395
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: everything personally and professionally.

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01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, and I wish the same and hope

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01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 3: the same for you and all of yours.

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01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 4: Alrighty Dan, that is Adam Amin from Fox Sports. Good

1399
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 4: to hear his voice again, Glad to hear he's doing well,

1400
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 4: really good info. He's our kind of guy. Oh, he's

1401
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 4: the best.

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01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: I love when we're able to hit upon something in

1403
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: a guest in whoever that you can tell that they

1404
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: could speak on the subject for three hours, they could

1405
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: give an extended ted talk. And we've known Adam forever

1406
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,040
Speaker 1: and we just happened to know this about him, that

1407
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: he is so passionate about how broadcasts come together that

1408
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: he was a perfect choice and just knowing him as

1409
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: we do so really cool to tap into that expertise

1410
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: that informs speculation. As you know, networks still don't know

1411
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: fully what they're going to do, what their plan is.

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01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: I thought it was it was fascinating, and I was

1413
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: one who interviewed him. I was thought it was fascinating listening,

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01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to keep listening. So thank you

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01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: so much to Adam A Mean of Fox Sports for

1416
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: coming on. Can't wait to see what happens, TI cannout.

1417
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: Fingers are crossed, right, fingers are crossed. Thank you, mister

1418
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: Amen for stopping by, for sharing some of your wisdom

1419
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,919
Speaker 1: with us. Don't forget to subscribe to the show.

1420
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 4: If you haven't already, Spotify, Apple, Google, anywhere you get

1421
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 4: your podcasts, you can find our show, The Solid Verbal.

1422
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 4: We're going to continue broadcasting Rain or Shine here, I

1423
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 4: don't know. We got all sorts of plans drawn up,

1424
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 4: so we're excited to keep rolling. At some point in

1425
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 4: the next couple weeks, I think we start up with

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01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 4: our season previews. Right, we got to do we do

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 4: on the calendar, so we're ready, We're ready to go.

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01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 4: I'm excited, starting to a ready, do some research mm hmm,

1429
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 4: and get ready for the twenty twenty season in whatever

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01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 4: form it takes.

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01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to put you on the spot here, Ty,

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01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: but you were just telling me specifically about what you

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01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: think Tennessee is gonna do different along the offensive line, Yeah,

1434
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: than what they've done the last three years. So I'm

1435
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 1: in Flora's yours to just sort.

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01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 5: Of you know, I don't want to spoil it. You know,

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01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 5: that's why people come in.

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01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 4: So we're gonna We're gonna wait a bit until we

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01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 4: get to the SEC East preview. But okay, don't forget

1440
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 4: to follow us out there on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook.

1441
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 5: Gonna work on that.

1442
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 4: TikTok, aren't we?

1443
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely? We are, come on, gonna work.

1444
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 5: On that TikTok. I just grabbed a handle the other day.

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01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, on it. Have you watched through popular popular talks.

1446
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: I've tried.

1447
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: It's not bad.

1448
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: It's not bad.

1449
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 5: It is not bad.

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01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: That's what I've heard. I mean, I've I've seen the

1451
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: clips come across mostly Twitter. People will paste a talk,

1452
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: a tick that they enjoy, and I've laughed, Ty, I've laughed.

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01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 4: We will be back in your ears on Wednesday morning

1454
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 4: of next week. In the meantime, wish everybody a very

1455
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 4: happy weekend. Stay safe, wash your hands, hope you don't

1456
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 4: develop any kind of ominous cough, all right, and that

1457
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 4: goes for.

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01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: You too, Dan, Yeah, thank you, and you as well.

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01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 4: For that guy over there all the way in sunny

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01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 4: southern California, for myself, Tie Hildon Brand over here in

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01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 4: eastern Pennsylvania. We will catch you all soon. In the meantime,

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01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 4: stay solid, peace,