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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys have and now your hosts, Mickey Spagnola, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: Nate Newton, and Bill Jones.
Speaker 2: Oh, what a beautiful morning in southern California. We're at
Speaker 2: the corner of Ventura and Vineyard in Oxnard, California, and
Speaker 2: it is day number two of padded practices. Here for
Speaker 2: your Dallas Cowboys, Bill Jones, along with the star of
Speaker 2: our show, Mickey Spagnola and really now the star of
Speaker 2: our show, just arriving about thirty six hours ago on
Speaker 2: that long drive west, Nathaniel Newton is here. Hello, Nate,
Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited ever since. I'm not
Speaker 4: taking your job. I'm just sitting in your seat. Okay,
Speaker 4: It's about time you got here.
Speaker 5: That's the way I look at it.
Speaker 4: Well, it was anybody hitting. I saw a bunch of
Speaker 4: guys arounding that underwear.
Speaker 2: I heard the head coach yesterday he said that the
Speaker 2: real training camp, training camp really starts Todaynday right, and Nate,
Speaker 2: I I said, well, why didn't you tell us that
Speaker 2: a week ago with my TV station could have saved
Speaker 2: a lot of money and we would have just shown
Speaker 2: up yesterday. See Nate's the veteran here. Yeah, he's smart.
Speaker 2: He knows exactly when to show up for camp.
Speaker 3: And man, it was a great first day, two fellas,
Speaker 3: I think you liked it.
Speaker 4: It was a Chris great first day, and I think
Speaker 4: coach McCarthy did a great job and not only telling
Speaker 4: us as media that ten padded practices, I think he
Speaker 4: got that over to his players because the temple was
Speaker 4: great yesterday.
Speaker 2: And you're hesitant to say that any team has a
Speaker 2: Chris practice.
Speaker 4: So the first day definitely, definitely you look for a
Speaker 4: lot of errors, and the parts of practice I saw
Speaker 4: did see a lot of errors. It seemed like they
Speaker 4: kept the plays limited a small number so guys could
Speaker 4: really concentrate on what they needed to do and be
Speaker 4: physical and it turned out pretty good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I thought, you know, usually when you have
Speaker 5: that first padded practice, the defense really dominates. I thought
Speaker 5: both sides did a nice job out there. Defense got
Speaker 5: some pressure on the quarterback when they were blitzing and
Speaker 5: when Parsons was rushing, and then the offense made plays,
Speaker 5: made some nice runs, a couple of deep passes. I
Speaker 5: thought Dak and CD were right on point most of
Speaker 5: the day. So yeah, I thought overall, for a first
Speaker 5: padded practice of training camp, and as Nate said, you
Speaker 5: only get ten of them, I thought it was a
Speaker 5: really good day for him.
Speaker 2: I should also add we have producers Supreme Chris Beam
Speaker 2: Beam as well.
Speaker 4: He gave me a thing too. I want to say this.
Speaker 4: He gave me some stuff and I asked him how
Speaker 4: much he is? What did it cost for my ear
Speaker 4: floats and all of that?
Speaker 3: Uh? And he said you can just keep him while
Speaker 3: you're out here in camp.
Speaker 5: While you're out here in camp, yeah, he won't get.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Chris, super producer. Did you know?
Speaker 2: Did you know this about producer Supreme Chris Beam What
Speaker 2: is that? He has got to be a world champion
Speaker 2: corn hole player?
Speaker 3: Yes? He is.
Speaker 2: Have you seen him play? He and Isaiah Standbeck were
Speaker 2: out here last night, huh, and they yelled at me
Speaker 2: from a distance, so I came over. I mean, you
Speaker 2: make seventy five percent of your throat.
Speaker 5: He's amazing, so that's what I heard the pounding when
Speaker 5: I had my windows over last night, all the way
Speaker 5: over there and Building nineteen and stand back is not.
Speaker 2: A bad player, but it was like every single time
Speaker 2: I've I watched him make how many how many throws
Speaker 2: are in one round? Eight?
Speaker 5: Four?
Speaker 2: I mean four? And I saw two rounds he made
Speaker 2: six out eight.
Speaker 5: I mean it was amazing, like right in the hole
Speaker 5: on the board, so on the fly or sliding in.
Speaker 2: It's just like he's down. Now we know what he
Speaker 2: does all day, right, I mean the corner hole game
Speaker 2: is right around the corner right over here, and that's
Speaker 2: what he does all day. So he spent all off
Speaker 2: season doing that.
Speaker 5: It's amazing talking about giving me to play him, so
Speaker 5: we finally got got time to do it.
Speaker 2: At who won? What do you think he was pulling
Speaker 2: the curtain back behind the score.
Speaker 5: Of the last game because it was getting out of control.
Speaker 3: I'm asking him about that, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So Mickey, did you go in your bike ride
Speaker 2: this morning?
Speaker 5: Stationary bike? Stationary bike because this starts at like eight o'clock,
Speaker 5: so to take a well.
Speaker 2: Last Tuesday you on a bike ride or Wednesday? It
Speaker 2: was last Wednesday? Wednesday? The first day we did the show.
Speaker 5: When I had a flat time we had a flat tire. Yeah,
Speaker 5: well that's probably gonna factor that into the workout equation, right,
Speaker 5: So I figured to do that. I have to get
Speaker 5: up like at five point thirty.
Speaker 2: Yep, Nate, Hell was your drive out here?
Speaker 3: It was nice.
Speaker 4: I took off and about ten o'clock Saturday and drove
Speaker 4: all the way to about eight or nine that evening.
Speaker 4: I got the Demons Arizona, pulled over and you know,
Speaker 4: got some sleeping, and got up the morning at five
Speaker 4: and came on in just having fun stopping.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I feel like my mom and dad or my grandfathered
Speaker 4: them when they used to stop and take twenty five
Speaker 4: minutes just to gas up, walk around and see the
Speaker 4: same type stuff over and over, the little souvenirs in
Speaker 4: each little town.
Speaker 3: But it was great. I love it.
Speaker 4: I'm refreshed, I'm ready to go. It's just like I
Speaker 4: jumped on the plane and jumped.
Speaker 2: Off, and you're gonna be out here for the rest
Speaker 2: of the time.
Speaker 4: All the way to the eighteen all right, all the
Speaker 4: way to the eighteenth of August.
Speaker 5: Oh, so you're gonna have a break here when we
Speaker 5: go back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you to Colorado, drive down to see Dion and
Speaker 4: then come back.
Speaker 5: Come back. That's wrong, Just go to Colorado. How long
Speaker 5: is the drive?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 3: You don't know his driving happening?
Speaker 5: Oh I do, I do.
Speaker 2: How have you looked at it? How long is the
Speaker 2: drive from?
Speaker 3: Probably about eight nine maybe ten hours.
Speaker 2: And they're going through preseason training.
Speaker 5: I got to see that at least ten hours, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's doing all right, He's doing great.
Speaker 3: I spoke with him about a week ago after second
Speaker 3: surgery and he's doing well.
Speaker 4: And uh, the doctor comes right to the office where
Speaker 4: he's at early in the morning check him out. And
Speaker 4: he's rehabbing and he had to go into both close
Speaker 4: not all you know, just right outside is growing into
Speaker 4: both eyes and go down and pull the clocks out
Speaker 4: right in his quad lower quad. So he's doing fine. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so he's doing great.
Speaker 2: You're looking forward to going into the Big twelve next year?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: He told me that about a month ago that he
Speaker 4: was going into the Big twelve, and.
Speaker 2: I just kind of so I could break that story.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, the thing about it is, I don't like to
Speaker 4: be that one. You know, He's like, don't break it Nate.
Speaker 4: He said it kind of laughingly, and I was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't want to take a chance
Speaker 4: to say, you know, so I should have called you
Speaker 4: a deal.
Speaker 3: I got some inside. Big twelve is the Big twelve
Speaker 3: is it is gonna be a good I think conference.
Speaker 5: Everybody's coming back.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: By the way, Dennis Thurman is on his staff.
Speaker 3: Yes he is.
Speaker 2: He was. He was at Jackson State with him too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know how I know that?
Speaker 5: How did you know that you ran into him?
Speaker 2: Because well I knew that he was with him at
Speaker 2: Jackson State. I didn't realize he's got friends in Colorado.
Speaker 2: But I interviewed Stefan Gilmour yesterday and loved it. I
Speaker 2: mean it was it was. You know, he's a quiet guy.
Speaker 2: Stephan is a quiet guy, but if you get him,
Speaker 2: if you hit his hut buttons, you know, he'll start talking.
Speaker 2: And I went back and looked us at his history
Speaker 2: with Buffalo. You know, the guy that probably made as
Speaker 2: big an impact as anybody on Stefan Gilmore in his
Speaker 2: career in the NFL was Dennis Thurmott.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 2: Thurman was the defensive coordinator with the Bills in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: and sixteen, and that's Gilmore's third and fourth year in Buffalo,
Speaker 2: and he made the Pro Bowl in sixteen, and then
Speaker 2: he went to New England after that, and in seventeen
Speaker 2: in New England they go to the Super Bowl and
Speaker 2: lost to Philadelphia. At eighteen, they win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: In nineteen, Gilmore wins the NFL Defensive Player of the
Speaker 2: Year award. But he said that Dennis Thurman was a
Speaker 2: guy that really he learned a lot from him and
Speaker 2: it really put him over the top in his career.
Speaker 4: You know, Dennis's coordinator, coordinator over the information. I don't
Speaker 4: know what you call in college guys that gather information
Speaker 4: due to out work, do the film work. I don't
Speaker 4: know what you call those guys. But he's the coordinator.
Speaker 4: They got about six of those guys. He's the coordinator,
Speaker 4: like quality control guy over the college. John very nice scouting,
Speaker 4: so uh, he's big time. And him and him, him
Speaker 4: and Dianna close because when Dion came home a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks ago after the first surgery, the guy that
Speaker 4: was in the office was Dennis. You know, we called
Speaker 4: him and was talking to him like Dennis, what's up?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: Like hey, man, I'm just here trying to make sure
Speaker 4: everything is running right. And I got to look at
Speaker 4: these players they talking about to see how they how
Speaker 4: they fit, you know, like, okay, then like those the guys.
Speaker 3: I'm looking for.
Speaker 2: So I was telling Stephan all about Thurman s thieves.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah wow, And so.
Speaker 2: I gave him a history. Listen. I felt good to
Speaker 2: being able to tell him again about it.
Speaker 5: So, uh and he can't wait.
Speaker 2: To meet Everson to Stepan, well.
Speaker 3: He will yeah, yeah, he will meet Everton.
Speaker 5: You also had your interview with Jerry. Yeah, was that
Speaker 5: in the car wash yesterday?
Speaker 2: It was Saturday, specially for you.
Speaker 5: No, that was oh that was Saturday that I saw.
Speaker 5: They got Saturday.
Speaker 2: They ran Sunday night on all the stations. You know,
Speaker 2: Jerry is amazing. He okay on just think of what
Speaker 2: he did on Saturday. Okay. He had the opening ceremonies
Speaker 2: out there and uh that's when he kissed them Bartie Trophy,
Speaker 2: and then they had practice and after practice, I bet you,
Speaker 2: and even he was doing interviews on the field after
Speaker 2: the opening ceremonies, he was doing interviews with the NFL
Speaker 2: network was out here. It was back together Saturday all
Speaker 2: across the on the NFL network and then on ESPN
Speaker 2: he does something with that order over there, and then
Speaker 2: after practice. There were probably close to ten TV stations
Speaker 2: that he did. My interview with him went eight minutes,
Speaker 2: you know, five to eight minutes with in stations, and
Speaker 2: then he gets on a plane and before he flew
Speaker 2: and then he gets on a plane, flies to Vegas
Speaker 2: and he's in the locker room and uh right before
Speaker 2: aerol Spence went out there and so and then got back.
Speaker 2: I guess at two o'clock in the morning. I don't
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 3: So who was who you thought was the tires that
Speaker 3: the end?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 3: Jerry Arospen.
Speaker 2: Was going there.
Speaker 3: I didn't see the fight. Mick told me. I'm like,
Speaker 3: he should give his money back from what told me
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 5: A that was a whipping.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what I just saw it on Twitter? So
Speaker 2: what was all I had to see was I saw
Speaker 2: the knockdowns on Twitter?
Speaker 5: Oh man, they had all three of them.
Speaker 2: People just illegally or whatever.
Speaker 5: They waved the three knockdown rule. Yeah, because it would
Speaker 5: have been over earlier. Uh So, what was the best
Speaker 5: thing Jerry told you? Oh? Or what was the most
Speaker 5: important thing he told you.
Speaker 2: You know, there wasn't anything controversial like there was yesterday
Speaker 2: with when he talked to the writers about Ring of
Speaker 2: Honor stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, a couple of coaches.
Speaker 2: I decided not to not to go down the trite
Speaker 2: Ring of Honor road with him. Although it has been
Speaker 2: a long time since Gil Brant in twenty eighteen was
Speaker 2: the last one I went to the Ring of Honor
Speaker 2: and before that was Darren Woodson in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5: So there's only been two and two in.
Speaker 2: The last eight years, eight nine years. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: you go back further than that, there's been two in
Speaker 2: what twelve thirteen years? Right, So you know, one thing
Speaker 2: that I've been struck by just I liked listening to
Speaker 2: serious NFL Radio and they've got a lot of former
Speaker 2: GMS and former head coaches on there, and to a man,
Speaker 2: those guys all talk about the Cowboys and say that
Speaker 2: this they like this Cowboys roster, they love this Cowboys
Speaker 2: coaching staff. And so that first question to him was, Jerry, I,
Speaker 2: I'm here in former GMS and coaches around the league
Speaker 2: saying this is a Super Bowl roster. Do you agree?
Speaker 2: And well, I like hearing that, and of course he's
Speaker 2: not gonna go on record and say.
Speaker 5: Right, he agrees, I mean he's but he's right. If
Speaker 5: you look at the roster, I mean, there's not many holes.
Speaker 5: Obvious holes. They got to figure out the kicking deal.
Speaker 5: But other than that, you.
Speaker 2: Know, backup running back or the running back.
Speaker 5: Tell him what they said about Elliott.
Speaker 2: They there's a hole right there at who's they're gonna
Speaker 2: pair with Tony Pollard in the backfield? Because you know,
Speaker 2: I look at Deuce Vaughan as a guy that I mean,
Speaker 2: we saw the.
Speaker 5: Bursts, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: But he's more of a gadget guy, you know, to
Speaker 2: start off with, especially in his NFL career, at his size,
Speaker 2: and I think he's going to make an impact his
Speaker 2: rookie season. But you know, Ronald Jones now suspended the
Speaker 2: first couple of games or violation of the performance enhancing
Speaker 2: drug policy. You got Ronald Jones the running back.
Speaker 3: You checked the wave of wire this morning. Oh sorry,
Speaker 3: I thought he was on.
Speaker 5: He's still he's still here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: Love him on the roster anyway. Final Rick o'dowdell and
Speaker 2: Maleik Davis. But so I asked Jerry, I said, uh,
Speaker 2: can you see a scenario where because that day Zeke
Speaker 2: was was interviewing with the Patriots. I said, can you
Speaker 2: see a scenario where Zeke could return to the Cowboys?
Speaker 2: And he said that yes, as we get along into
Speaker 2: the season. He used the term as we went along
Speaker 2: into the season, he could. He hasn't closed the door
Speaker 2: at all on that possibility. He brings a lot in
Speaker 2: many ways to any NFL team and had nothing but
Speaker 2: praise for him. But what he said was as we
Speaker 2: get on into the season. That was what was kind
Speaker 2: of the terms that he used that kind of couched
Speaker 2: it a little bit.
Speaker 5: Well when I listened to it when he said that,
Speaker 5: I took it as maybe not in training camp, yeah,
Speaker 5: but as we move.
Speaker 2: Forward and in the mindset of Jerry, is going into
Speaker 2: the season means after.
Speaker 5: They break camp right right exactly.
Speaker 2: Because you're starting to get into season mode then.
Speaker 5: Because the other thing that gets a misconception when they
Speaker 5: start talking big on some of these rookie free agents,
Speaker 5: well they're not looking at it just as solely as
Speaker 5: the fifty three. They're looking at it sixteen guys in
Speaker 5: a practice squad, and we got to find those guys.
Speaker 5: And a lot of times when he embellishes some of
Speaker 5: those guys. It's for the practice squad two And there's
Speaker 5: a bunch of those guys that they basically gave him
Speaker 5: guaranteed money, but the guarantee was to cover their practice
Speaker 5: squad salary for a year. So when they do that,
Speaker 5: then it's almost certain those guys are going to be
Speaker 5: on the price.
Speaker 2: And we've talked about it throughout the off season on Zeke.
Speaker 2: If you go back and look at Zeke's season last year,
Speaker 2: he was averaging four point one four point two yards
Speaker 2: of carry right up until the Terrence Steel injury, and
Speaker 2: then the last five games of the season he wasn't
Speaker 2: going anywhere in the running game. Tony Poller wasn't going
Speaker 2: anywhere in the running game. The whole running game fell
Speaker 2: off at that point. They both averaged under three yards
Speaker 2: of carry the last five games of the regular season
Speaker 2: last year. And I don't when I look at this
Speaker 2: roster behind Tony Pollard, who had nine rushing touchdowns last year,
Speaker 2: I don't know where those other twelve rushing touchdowns are
Speaker 2: coming from that zikad last year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and if you look at it, I mean, if you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna have the same kind of success in the red
Speaker 2: zone that you had last year, Then you got to
Speaker 2: be able to run the football down there.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 5: I thought from the little bit that Malik Davis got
Speaker 5: to play and it was only thirty eight carries for
Speaker 5: one hundred and sixty one yards in a touchdown, I
Speaker 5: thought he had a little something for a rookie free
Speaker 5: agent from Florida?
Speaker 3: Is that right? Yes?
Speaker 5: Yeah? And then rico' donell, we just don't get to
Speaker 5: see him. He's been hurt and on the I injured reserve.
Speaker 2: On the walk off yesterday, he was a first name
Speaker 2: out of the coach's mouth that I really like what
Speaker 2: I was in from Rico.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The thing is, Fellas, you have to play these two guys,
Speaker 4: and I'm speaking only the two guys, Rico dald and
Speaker 4: Malik Davis, Right, play them, find out as much as
Speaker 4: you can of who they are. It's a lot of
Speaker 4: guys on my list. Who are these guys? Well, I
Speaker 4: believe that if we leave training camp and we're not
Speaker 4: satisfied with those two guys. As to back up, I
Speaker 4: told Mickey, guys, I was traveling and you you didn't
Speaker 4: have time to call me back, and I was traveling
Speaker 4: twenty hours here too, California. I wanted to let Nick, No,
Speaker 4: we have the running backs ric o'donald and Malik Davis.
Speaker 4: Now we have to play them during the preseason. And
Speaker 4: if either one of them get nicked to the point
Speaker 4: where you see they may miss any games, then Zeke
Speaker 4: is your guy. You call Zeke, say, get Zeke here.
Speaker 3: We're here.
Speaker 4: Here's three million dollars and we'll give you this amount
Speaker 4: if you surpriss these numbers.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, we don't know how much, how
Speaker 2: much willing to play for.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 4: In today's NFL market, even Big Henry, if he get released,
Speaker 4: you will find out and he will find out that.
Speaker 3: The market is not there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So right now, the going rate for an older gentleman,
Speaker 4: that's a little season, yeah back, yeah, but who's averaged
Speaker 4: around three hundred carries. So now you gotta you gotta
Speaker 4: factor all of that in. You have another year, and
Speaker 4: you gotta look at it from the old man point.
Speaker 4: You're building on your pension. You just building on your
Speaker 4: NFL pension. You gotta look at it from a different
Speaker 4: angle and get Zeke back in here.
Speaker 3: If these two guys, because besides the hunter guy full back.
Speaker 3: We set.
Speaker 4: We're set at every position, sept Dolphins line, we are set.
Speaker 4: If these two guys don't give you what you needed
Speaker 4: and you're not one hundred percent sure, get Zeke.
Speaker 3: Bring him in here, and that's roll. We don't need
Speaker 3: a new guy.
Speaker 4: We don't need a new guy because he's got to
Speaker 4: learn our system and learn how he fits and coach
Speaker 4: got to look at him and break him down. We
Speaker 4: know what these three guys are are these four guys
Speaker 4: are depending on we have Zeke and.
Speaker 5: Not And Zeke fits in this locker room right as
Speaker 5: you know. And I think he would come in know
Speaker 5: his place. I think he's smart enough to do that
Speaker 5: and just add that that locker room energy that he adds. Yes,
Speaker 5: you need a guy like that, right, You need a
Speaker 5: guy to break up the monotony of football. You need
Speaker 5: a guy like Nate.
Speaker 3: In the locker Kevin go yeah.
Speaker 4: But if the thing about this, uh, you know, and
Speaker 4: I and I tell people, man, it's just I hate
Speaker 4: this feeling of and they spent a lot of years
Speaker 4: for me where I think we got a real chance
Speaker 4: to do something special this year, and I hate that
Speaker 4: feeling because it's been a long time.
Speaker 2: See, That's why I feel the same way, and that's
Speaker 2: why I'm concerned. If something happens to Pollard, then what yes,
Speaker 2: you know and not Zeke is the same type running
Speaker 2: back that Pollard is by any means as far as
Speaker 2: his home run threat or anything, but a guy that
Speaker 2: has done it and is reliable back there. All right,
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Speaker 2: Oh, very nicely done, Mickey.
Speaker 4: And we just put this together off air him and
Speaker 4: the supreme producer Chris.
Speaker 2: Normally Mickey's got some reefs that are that are written
Speaker 2: out for him. And you just did that off the
Speaker 2: top of your head, that was.
Speaker 4: Out, Oh okay, back in the old old day with
Speaker 4: the do you say you did off the.
Speaker 3: Top of your dome back in the old old days.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they say these days.
Speaker 2: All right, we were talking about Zeke and h the
Speaker 2: market out there for him. The other thing that the
Speaker 2: Cowboys are going and are all NFL teams right now
Speaker 2: as you're getting through training camp and you you've kept
Speaker 2: money aside in case of injury. And so that's the
Speaker 2: other thing the Cowboys have to factor into this is
Speaker 2: let's get to the end of camp. I mean, you've
Speaker 2: got people that are dropping in other camps without any contact.
Speaker 2: You know, they just take a snap from center and
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow goes down, and uh, so you don't know
Speaker 2: where the next injury is going to come from. And
Speaker 2: uh They've got a short list of guys at every
Speaker 2: position group in the league that they would call upon
Speaker 2: at that probably at that veteran minimum salary.
Speaker 5: And what everybody needs to understand is there is a
Speaker 5: salary cap, right when we talk about bringing in somebody
Speaker 5: or whatever, And if a guy goes on IR, he
Speaker 5: gets paid. And now you've got to bring in somebody
Speaker 5: else to take his spot, and that guy's got to
Speaker 5: get paid. So sometimes, you know, I know what the
Speaker 5: Cowboys like to do when they go into a season.
Speaker 5: They want to have ten to twelve million dollars of
Speaker 5: cap space to operate through the entire season. You got
Speaker 5: to pay your practice squad, You got to pay guys
Speaker 5: that are on r if they get injured and they're
Speaker 5: done for the season. If they give them an injury settlement,
Speaker 5: you got to pay those guys. So you have operating
Speaker 5: costs that you have to have money in reserve.
Speaker 4: You You all also have to have just in case
Speaker 4: you have a clean year if you need that one guy.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, so you got like they tried last year
Speaker 5: with ty Hill.
Speaker 4: Yes, we got that one guy, and you got to
Speaker 4: be able to pay him a satisfy factory deal because
Speaker 4: a lot of guys do say I'm gonna sit home
Speaker 4: and if it don't come, it don't come.
Speaker 3: But if it do, you know they'll they'll take it.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't and I don't.
Speaker 4: Want just any guy coming to this team. I think
Speaker 4: Coach Johnson has made me kind of this way. If
Speaker 4: you don't if I bring you in here, my guys
Speaker 4: don't feel you, and we don't feel you. We got
Speaker 4: to have enough room to get rid of you. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying Now it's a cap but you
Speaker 4: can't do that now. But that's how we uhould do
Speaker 4: it back in the day. You know, we want the
Speaker 4: right type of guy because this team is poised to
Speaker 4: do something special.
Speaker 5: Because guys that have sweat equity, right, they they're they're
Speaker 5: maybe more reliable then bringing in a carpetbagger. Right, he's
Speaker 5: gonna come in for for you know, four games, three games.
Speaker 5: He hadn't gone through all the hard work with everybody
Speaker 5: through your list right here. Yeah, yesterday, So yesterday Sam
Speaker 5: Williams goes down, got a shoulder strain. I was told
Speaker 5: they didn't think it was that serious. So, uh, we'll
Speaker 5: see where that one goes. Dorance Armstrong was out with
Speaker 5: a hamstring. He was working on the side, uh, with
Speaker 5: the with the trainers. So those were kind of the
Speaker 5: two new ones. Obviously they've had the previous injuries with
Speaker 5: Donovan Wilson. I saw Israel Mkwamu was out doing a
Speaker 5: little bit yesterday, so maybe his isn't as serious. Uh.
Speaker 2: Lewis and Jordan.
Speaker 5: Lewis still on pop and school work is on non
Speaker 5: football injury.
Speaker 2: So what about Trayvon because.
Speaker 5: He ran on the field, he did individual, Yeah, but
Speaker 5: he did his work with the trainers, uh and after
Speaker 5: the individual. So he's got a bruised toe. Somebody said
Speaker 5: he heard it. Try and carry all that twenty one
Speaker 5: million dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 4: To wow, somebody had to take a shot, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I don't think he's serious. I know there was
Speaker 5: some conflicting reports. Mike McCarthy said, yeah, he should be out,
Speaker 5: you know, he'll get back into doing something in practice
Speaker 5: Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 2: And that's basically what has happened, right, And so I'm
Speaker 2: taking that maybe what they're the way they're dealing with Trayvon.
Speaker 2: And here's what Mickey's getting at is. On Saturday, McCarthy
Speaker 2: at his press conference or in the walk off, said
Speaker 2: that he was asked when Trayvon might get back out there,
Speaker 2: and he said early next week. I mean him Monday Tuesday. Well,
Speaker 2: he was out there on Monday doing individual stuff, not
Speaker 2: not thirty minutes later. We're asking Jerry as he came
Speaker 2: off the field after the opening ceremony, saying when do
Speaker 2: you expect Trayvon back and he said probably it might be,
Speaker 2: could be when we get back to Dallas.
Speaker 5: And so that was.
Speaker 2: Span of anywhere between two days and twenty two days.
Speaker 2: Well it turns out, yeah, he is back on the
Speaker 2: practice field two days later what Mike said after the
Speaker 2: press conference, But it might not be until we get
Speaker 2: back to Dallas before he's doing everything unless he has
Speaker 2: a sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and watching him do that stuff, he looks, he looked.
Speaker 2: They're gonna take it slow with it, right, And the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 5: The same thing with Terrence Steele and Tony Pollard coming
Speaker 5: back from their surgeries. Mike said they would be limited
Speaker 5: in Monday's padded practice. Well, both of them were out
Speaker 5: there and team they had the pads and out. They
Speaker 5: might have not done as many reps as they normally
Speaker 5: would have, but Pollard looked really good running the ball.
Speaker 5: Steele was doing a nice job at right tackle, and
Speaker 5: then when he wasn't out there, well, let's go was
Speaker 5: getting those reps and that helps him out because he
Speaker 5: They're looking right now for a backup offensive tackle. Now,
Speaker 5: think if it's ends up being a long term deal,
Speaker 5: your backup offensive tackle most likely is Tyler Smith and
Speaker 5: then you figure out the guard spot. But right now
Speaker 5: they would like to have a game day guy ready
Speaker 5: to go, and well, let's Go had missed all that
Speaker 5: time last year on injured reserve, and they're giving him
Speaker 5: a good chance, and you need a backup guard and
Speaker 5: they're giving Josh Ball a chance at that so, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, somebody, somebody remarked to me that they were
Speaker 5: watching the second team offensive line. And I don't know
Speaker 5: how closely you got the chance to watch it, but
Speaker 5: they felt like this was the most depth maybe the
Speaker 5: Cowboys have on the offensive line than they had in
Speaker 5: a while.
Speaker 4: Well, they got a rookie Richards. He ran a lot
Speaker 4: when they did the pressure drill to pass the drill.
Speaker 4: He ran a lot with the first team and the
Speaker 4: second team.
Speaker 5: And they liked and they liked TJ. Bass too. He's
Speaker 5: been getting a lot of snaps. And Hoffman at center.
Speaker 3: At the right guard was right.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know Fourniac, I think he's your solid backup center.
Speaker 3: But the thing that's amazing about about.
Speaker 4: All of this is I watched coach Mike Clauri work
Speaker 4: these guys and uh, he had their full attention, you know,
Speaker 4: he he he commands respect.
Speaker 3: It's it's a different type deal here.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I don't agree one hundred percent which you make. I
Speaker 3: think the left side is what it.
Speaker 4: Is in Tyrone and and Smith that that that playout,
Speaker 4: and even if a guy get injured, Uh, you got
Speaker 4: to pick between Indaga Idaga and and it's well let's go.
Speaker 5: Well, let's go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I was meaning like if something happened to Tyrant
Speaker 5: putting Tyler back at no.
Speaker 3: No think so no, let's let's find us a swing
Speaker 3: tackle between uh In Daga.
Speaker 5: Let's know. I'm worried.
Speaker 4: We can be worried, but this is where the preseason
Speaker 4: games are truly meant for these guys. You you you
Speaker 4: have to find out who these guys are. I mean,
Speaker 4: and it's good to have the best five out there,
Speaker 4: but you still have to find.
Speaker 3: Out who these guys that these guys are.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm okay, went out When when?
Speaker 3: When?
Speaker 4: When When the Butcher, the president all world Martin comeback.
Speaker 3: It's gonna settle this offensive line down.
Speaker 4: And then uh still still is gonna be okay, I
Speaker 4: just got you gotta have faith. The only person that
Speaker 4: we worry about is is Tyron and we can kind
Speaker 4: of control what he does out here in practice, but
Speaker 4: when the game started is what it is. But you
Speaker 4: don't I don't like moving two guys to make for one.
Speaker 4: Just move a guy to left tackle that can play
Speaker 4: left tackle. You went out and got these guys. You
Speaker 4: gotta trust in the process.
Speaker 5: Well won't find out. Yeah, in training camp and in
Speaker 5: those preseason games. That's why they're not gonna play Tyron Smith.
Speaker 5: That much in presets, not at all.
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 5: So you're gonna get a chance to see somebody there
Speaker 5: pract see what they can do, see the thing with
Speaker 5: a dog gut. His contract was similar to Ronald Jones.
Speaker 5: It was a one year veteran exception. Okay, And that
Speaker 5: tells me if that's all they're paying them, they're not
Speaker 5: convinced that he is the guy to sink their teeth
Speaker 5: into if something happens. But he's got to prove something.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, and that's what it is. Right.
Speaker 3: Uh my deal is this right here.
Speaker 4: What hurt us in the long run in the bigger
Speaker 4: games are the games that count the most, the playoff
Speaker 4: games or the division games, because our division is the best,
Speaker 4: one of the best in the game. The East is
Speaker 4: one of the best in the game from paper, looking
Speaker 4: at paper, you can't afford to come into third place
Speaker 4: and hope you get in the playoffs. You got to
Speaker 4: be in first or second place in our division to
Speaker 4: make sure you get you get a spot in this thing.
Speaker 3: And our OFFENSEE line has to be solid. Our offensive
Speaker 3: line has to be on point. If you got a
Speaker 3: lot of moving around in there. You look at the.
Speaker 4: Strength of all our teams that we in our division,
Speaker 4: and every one of them has one thing that's consistent
Speaker 4: a defensive line.
Speaker 5: All right, you just let me ask one. Okay, you
Speaker 5: mentioned and you had him for a couple of years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was we came in together, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: came He came in as a coach, uh, special teams
Speaker 4: and offensive line assistant. And I was a rookie, first
Speaker 4: year guy, brother, and uh, he was a note taking dude.
Speaker 3: And over the.
Speaker 4: Years you see every coach that he's touched, he's got
Speaker 4: a lit bit of this stuff in it.
Speaker 3: And but he's a hard working guy.
Speaker 4: He's a guy that's easy to get along with, but
Speaker 4: he's not gonna take any stuff when it comes time
Speaker 4: to work to make the steam better.
Speaker 5: And when Zach Martin in the off season was asked
Speaker 5: about what his impression was of Solari, uh, he said
Speaker 5: he brings a lot of energy into the room, and
Speaker 5: I think that's a good quality for the offensive line.
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Speaker 3: So you said that was Captain Martin.
Speaker 5: Oh, Captain Martin? Yeah, speaking of captain, speaking of the
Speaker 5: Captain the president.
Speaker 2: With Jerry how much?
Speaker 5: Wait what ay tell you about him?
Speaker 2: Same thing he told everybody else about his contract. I
Speaker 2: think I asked him, how does this thing get resolved?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And of course he didn't answer that.
Speaker 5: Well, I think he said, well, it doesn't need to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what he said. It doesn't need to
Speaker 2: be resolved. He just needs to come back to But
Speaker 2: his point is they've got Parsons to pay. They've got
Speaker 2: well they just paid Digs to pay.
Speaker 3: They still next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Terry Steele and Dak and whoever, Yeah, got up here.
Speaker 5: And that was his point. He wasn't saying they can't
Speaker 5: give Martin any money because of solely Michael Parsons. If
Speaker 5: we met everybody down the line, they got all these
Speaker 5: guys that they got to take there.
Speaker 2: We redid, if we redid all our long term contracts
Speaker 2: because of the market ships, we wouldn't have a team.
Speaker 5: Basically, it'd be like Nate walking into Jimmy and said,
Speaker 5: I need more money.
Speaker 3: I did do that and and he says, Son, You're
Speaker 3: lucky to have a job. The door where you leave out.
Speaker 5: All right, so make sure no one else comes in. Yes, right.
Speaker 2: For Zach Martin, how many how how late can it
Speaker 2: go for him to be ready to play in the
Speaker 2: season opener?
Speaker 4: All the way uh, all the way up into the
Speaker 4: week of the game, because he needs to prepare to
Speaker 4: play the game the butcher is going to do. They
Speaker 4: call him the butcher. I call him the president. But
Speaker 4: Zach Martin is He's a beast. He's gonna have some
Speaker 4: rusts because and I'm more worried about the rust between
Speaker 4: him the center, uh the oddish and Terrence Steele or
Speaker 4: whoever may be playing that right tackle, because he is
Speaker 4: the glue to this whole offensive line. He I mean
Speaker 4: all the way out to your left tackle. He is
Speaker 4: the glue. He is the guy when things go wrong,
Speaker 4: his calmness settles everything down.
Speaker 3: Hey know.
Speaker 5: And one of the things they talk about it in
Speaker 5: the off season was with this McCarthy taking over the offense,
Speaker 5: they were changing up some of the protections. Yes, and
Speaker 5: remember he didn't get a chance to work in the
Speaker 5: OTAs or the mini camp because supposedly he was rehabbing
Speaker 5: a soft tissue injury. Well, this might have been the
Speaker 5: start of him balking at his contract. So if he
Speaker 5: doesn't get all this work, I think it's not his ability.
Speaker 3: But it's language.
Speaker 5: You may hurt him and coordinating with the other.
Speaker 4: Guys and then he right make the language coming from Dak.
Speaker 4: You can get the language from Coach Salari because they're
Speaker 4: probably talking and keeping him abreast. The language coming from
Speaker 4: Dak may may be a little bit different. How quick
Speaker 4: he get a play and how you know to rush
Speaker 4: the time on the clock, and you know how you
Speaker 4: can say hey, da da da da and you know
Speaker 4: what he means, you know, but you can't dae da
Speaker 4: da da.
Speaker 3: But a guy who been out of camp, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So for both of you who cut your eye yesterday.
Speaker 5: Immediately the hookup between Dak and CD doesn't look like
Speaker 5: they've missed the step. But what I really liked seeing
Speaker 5: was the energy and the ability to get open with
Speaker 5: Cavante Turpin as a wide receiver. We know he's kind
Speaker 5: of the return guy right now. They said they were
Speaker 5: gonna get him into this offense. Well, when he's got opportunities,
Speaker 5: especially in these padded practice he made two or three
Speaker 5: really nice catches and he was getting open. So that
Speaker 5: caught me eye immediately. That and the ability to hit
Speaker 5: deep balls, not just Dak, but Cooper Rush to connecting
Speaker 5: Michael Gallup who beat Stefan Gilmour down the field, and
Speaker 5: then Dak. I don't know that he can overthrow Brandon
Speaker 5: Cooks on a deep ball.
Speaker 4: The whole practice itself, I I I I I just
Speaker 4: from coach Tuh translating from ten padded practices to the
Speaker 4: field and enthusiasm that guys had just to be out
Speaker 4: on the field.
Speaker 3: I like how they opened it.
Speaker 4: I wish they would open up with the combo runs
Speaker 4: at the beginning of practice once they straight I wanted
Speaker 4: to straight to combo runs because we had to wait
Speaker 4: too long to watch Mazzie Smith and all of these
Speaker 4: guys play and get and get into some physical stuff
Speaker 4: and that that was very impressive. The first play took
Speaker 4: off to the left side and it broke. I mean,
Speaker 4: now Tyron didn't get a great block, but he held
Speaker 4: it enough where the running back just shot through the
Speaker 4: apolot shot through there for a touchdown.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: But I did see a young fifty eight Massie do
Speaker 4: what he's supposed to do one time when he jammed
Speaker 4: up the guard Smith and U and Tyrone couldn't get
Speaker 4: off and it just spent fourteen just run free, make
Speaker 4: a big play for a big hit, and.
Speaker 3: Uh that stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Is you looking at this kid because he is eating
Speaker 4: up bodies And I saw him do that a couple
Speaker 4: of times, So that really jumped at him and Mazie
Speaker 4: ed up enough blocks so them linebackers can run through Love.
Speaker 5: I mean, you got to do a lot to move him.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: You can just look at him. I mean you could
Speaker 2: tell how strong he without him even moving a muscle.
Speaker 3: And he ain't. He ain't.
Speaker 4: Uh, he ain't sloppy, fat man, He ain't. He ain't
Speaker 4: fat out. But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: looked at him, man, man, man, it kind of made me.
Speaker 4: It's you know a lot of times when I look
Speaker 4: at players and I'm not saying what this kid is
Speaker 4: gonna be during the season, but if you look at
Speaker 4: if I look at a player and I'm sixty one.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 4: If I look at a player and he kind of
Speaker 4: makee the hackles grow up on the back of the neck.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he may got a little something
Speaker 4: in him that make me want to get at him.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Did you have somebody Well, I was just gonna say
Speaker 2: this about Mazzi, if you have somebody that he's got
Speaker 2: the person he's got, He's got some Mica in his personality.
Speaker 2: He's got a confidence about him and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that going to become a Michigan guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, genuineeness about him or I mean when you talk
Speaker 2: to him, he's real when he's when he talks to you,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, and.
Speaker 4: He's so you're saying that the other sixty guys are
Speaker 4: not really just only him and Parsons.
Speaker 5: Wow, what do you And by the way, Parsons, he
Speaker 5: didn't take no prisoners yesterday either, yea his pass rush.
Speaker 5: They were having trouble blocking man, and I'm sitting there going, oh,
Speaker 5: I don't know about these tackles, and I'm thinking, no,
Speaker 5: it's Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: I had to check myself the same way, right, I Mean,
Speaker 4: I saw him flinch a calf muscle in the whole
Speaker 4: right side, jump outside.
Speaker 3: He just flinched a calf muscle and the whole right side.
Speaker 5: And here's another thing.
Speaker 3: I noticed what they're doing.
Speaker 5: Uh, keep an eye on what they're doing with Leyton Vandersch,
Speaker 5: especially in some nickel situations when they feel confident on
Speaker 5: a linebacker taking over that middle. If they're only in
Speaker 5: one linebacker, they've lined him up as a defensive end
Speaker 5: and he's rushing. He's not blitzing, he's rushing. And I
Speaker 5: asked him about it, and he didn't want to talk
Speaker 5: about it, and then he turned around and smiled. He goes,
Speaker 5: just watch you see it just like.
Speaker 2: That, right, And that also it tells you what how
Speaker 2: they feel about the other linebackers like Clark.
Speaker 5: Right, you know that Clark can handle it in the middle,
Speaker 5: or they're kind of starting to use Cocks a little
Speaker 5: bit more in there.
Speaker 3: He can run.
Speaker 5: And he is so athletic, he can flat well if
Speaker 5: they keep him healthy and you can use you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, they've got linebackers that are versatile can do
Speaker 5: other things.
Speaker 3: I saw him hit a hole. He hit it too soon.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's still fell back, I'm telling you. And on
Speaker 4: they laugh at me because I'm always missed optimistic.
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you, fellas.
Speaker 4: If we fix this offensive line and we have minor
Speaker 4: injuries our defense man, it is, it is ready out
Speaker 4: from the I see no weak points. People keep talking
Speaker 4: about the linebacker line. No, there's no weak points because
Speaker 4: coach I talked to Coach Quinn yesterday. He has a
Speaker 4: plan for everybody. All you need is for the players
Speaker 4: to stay motivated and play within the scheme that is
Speaker 4: designed for him.
Speaker 5: Well. And just remember if if they have a problem linebacker,
Speaker 5: Michael Parsons can still play linebacker, right, you can still
Speaker 5: use him there. He's got to be on the line
Speaker 5: of scrimm.
Speaker 4: Now, he's got to be on the line of scrimmas
Speaker 4: for everything to work. It's like Lawrence Taylor. They would
Speaker 4: move I remember playing against the Giants. They would move
Speaker 4: Lawrence everywhere on the line because it made everybody else
Speaker 4: play free.
Speaker 3: But if you lock him into.
Speaker 4: A certain spot, and I don't want him to ever
Speaker 4: linebacker because.
Speaker 5: If he has got a line, but he gotta move
Speaker 5: them around some more.
Speaker 3: But he gotta fight through something.
Speaker 5: Well, he could get double team on the line.
Speaker 4: I don't want him thinking see the first few years.
Speaker 4: I didn't mind him thinking, now, see ball, get ball,
Speaker 4: have no responsibility. You have no responsibility. The other the
Speaker 4: other ten guys, you have responsibility.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 2: We have a responsibility. Our responsibility is to be done
Speaker 2: with the show right now.
Speaker 5: Did Chris give you the high side? No?
Speaker 2: I just looked at that.
Speaker 3: Roofing.
Speaker 2: It's no longer Miller life time.
Speaker 3: Well you've been saying that middle of light at all times.
Speaker 5: You all right, we'll be back on Thursday.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Thursday. Thursday, it is, and the
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