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Speaker 1: This week we are talking about black face and white face.
Speaker 1: This is an age old discussion. We've been having this
Speaker 1: conversation in our community for many, many years. For some reason,
Speaker 1: white folks really want to be able to say the
Speaker 1: N word, especially when they rap in, and they.
Speaker 3: Want to end up in black face.
Speaker 1: So Jake Paul, just like all of us, were completely
Speaker 1: enamored with Drew Ski's skit about white conservative women and
Speaker 1: how they be like and Jake Paul wanted to answer it.
Speaker 3: Let's roll the clip of Jake Paul.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you something because I've been over
Speaker 4: the last couple of days calling makeup artists and I
Speaker 4: was going to do a response to this and like,
Speaker 4: go and do like the fool on darker, Yeah, and
Speaker 4: do it and just do it back because why not? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 4: are we on the same Blaine field?
Speaker 5: Like I think if you if there's a way to
Speaker 5: do it, oh singing in well this even this sentence,
Speaker 5: but if there's a way to do it, I've been
Speaker 5: here many times, if there's a way to do it,
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, I think there needs to be some
Speaker 5: black support for the character. I think like I'm saying,
Speaker 5: like say, if uh, Drew Ski, or I'm trying to
Speaker 5: think of somebody else, Charles Barkley, Charles Barkley, if you
Speaker 5: got one of those guys to be like, hey, if
Speaker 5: you don't want you to do this skit with me,
Speaker 5: let's do this.
Speaker 4: But but still, that's that's pussing out you think it is? Yeah,
Speaker 4: to me, there's a level of like that, doesn't that make.
Speaker 6: Us more.
Speaker 4: Like prejudice? Like more prejudice again makes us if we
Speaker 4: have to partner with someone. Drew Ski just dropped this
Speaker 4: and he's done it a couple of times, exactly. I
Speaker 4: love it. This is great. This is how humans should be.
Speaker 4: I agree, we should fucking make fun of each other.
Speaker 4: And I don't see in color. I see in truth
Speaker 4: and comedy. So like, what are we talking about? So
Speaker 4: you're saying what era are we living?
Speaker 3: So can I can?
Speaker 6: I just can tim real quick?
Speaker 3: I watch you, I watch you to time here real quick.
Speaker 1: And then I want to roll what they are responding to,
Speaker 1: which is Drewski's original skit I want to hear that.
Speaker 6: Well, part of the part of the reason that what
Speaker 6: THEO vonn and one of the Pauls and I have
Speaker 6: a whole reason with understanding why Logan and Jake and
Speaker 6: I don't know which one that is are actually famous,
Speaker 6: right because they don't do anything really well.
Speaker 2: I've heard of him.
Speaker 6: So one of them is a professional wrestler in w
Speaker 6: w E and the other one is a boxer, but
Speaker 6: he's not a real professional. He just was like a
Speaker 6: reality show guy that started being a mullet one. No,
Speaker 6: that's the THEO von is the one to the left
Speaker 6: with the mullet. Okay, Jake or Logan, whichever one that
Speaker 6: is is the bigger one. Okay, but let me just
Speaker 6: explain to you what racism is really quick. Drewski is
Speaker 6: a comedian who does skits. Right, Paul would be a
Speaker 6: random white guy dressing up in blackface. Do you understand
Speaker 6: the difference between the two. Like one is actually in
Speaker 6: his lane doing the work that his lane does, which
Speaker 6: is make people laugh in every way shape form that
Speaker 6: he can. Logan Paul just wants to That's Jake, Paul. Jake.
Speaker 6: Paul just wants to dabble like I said, I don't
Speaker 6: know diff between. Yeah, he wants to dabble in stereotypes
Speaker 6: and just not necessarily do comedy. He wants to do racism.
Speaker 6: So my whole point is that Drewski's doing comedy, the
Speaker 6: Paul guy is doing racism. So I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I kept trying to listen no, because where I was,
Speaker 2: I was kept listening for like, what does he want
Speaker 2: to do this? Like what is he he do? You
Speaker 2: just want to put on black face? I mean there's no,
Speaker 2: He's just like, well, they did it and for us
Speaker 2: to go full sell, then we got to do it
Speaker 2: and we can't put it out. We got to do
Speaker 2: it by ourselves. It's got to be just white people.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, have you not seen centuries of that?
Speaker 2: And even when it was done for centuries, it was
Speaker 2: also done And anyway.
Speaker 1: I think, and and the one thing I and we're
Speaker 1: going to take issue with you Bakari before we played
Speaker 1: Drew Ski's what he did, and then the women who
Speaker 1: he's making fun of, and he's on point with by
Speaker 1: the way, the comedy the comedic exception. I also don't
Speaker 1: I won't allow because I remember when Ted ted Danson
Speaker 1: did this. He was dating Woopy Goldberg. Woop be Goldberg
Speaker 1: was defending it. And I don't think it's ever funny
Speaker 1: for white people to be in black face because of
Speaker 1: the historical reasons that it's problematic and I actually endangered us.
Speaker 1: Whereas white people who are in positions of power privilege,
Speaker 1: if we are mocking them.
Speaker 3: Dave Chappelle mocked.
Speaker 1: Them in white face, if that's what you want to
Speaker 1: call it, white chicks, which I respectfully I love the ways,
Speaker 1: but that's the worship job of it.
Speaker 3: Did you know they did it? Are there are other
Speaker 3: moments where this has happened.
Speaker 1: But it's not to make fun of the.
Speaker 3: Human being you are.
Speaker 1: It is to make fun of some of the characteristics
Speaker 1: that you embody. And to that point, yes, and to
Speaker 1: that point, let us go ahead and roll the juic
Speaker 1: ski mashup that nick so wonderfully put together.
Speaker 3: I serve a righteous God. We did what we usually
Speaker 3: did before towards we said our prayer, and that is
Speaker 3: why we say our prayers, and we asked the Lord
Speaker 3: that his will be done.
Speaker 2: We have to protect all men in America, especially all
Speaker 2: white men in America.
Speaker 3: Don't let anyone disenfranchise you because you're.
Speaker 2: A young man, especially a young white male man.
Speaker 3: Don't ever let anyone talk down to you. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to find a lie.
Speaker 2: But that's what, right, that's exactly well. He didn't even
Speaker 2: have to exaggerate much. He just basically repeated the lines.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's but that's what.
Speaker 6: That's what comedy is, right, comedy. He's done it to
Speaker 6: Black Pastorge. Comedy is taking a mirror to the lives
Speaker 6: we live and allowing us, through all of our trials
Speaker 6: and tribulations, in trepidations, to at least be able to
Speaker 6: find the humor in some of our you know, faults,
Speaker 6: some of our pimples, some of our warts. Right now,
Speaker 6: what what the Paul boy is doing is saying, no,
Speaker 6: I want to I want to just land bass white people,
Speaker 6: I mean black people real quick, because I feel like
Speaker 6: I have that privilege and that ability. I don't even think,
Speaker 6: you know, racism is so prevalent now, I don't even
Speaker 6: know why. He was really asking Theovion for permission, like,
Speaker 6: just go out Dan and be racist, do the black
Speaker 6: face thing that you want to do. Go to go
Speaker 6: to Detroit. Why don't you go to Detroit and post
Speaker 6: up downtown in black face and let's see how that.
Speaker 6: Let's see how that work out well.
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing that is important here is,
Speaker 1: you know, Jake Paul's rise to fame is you know,
Speaker 1: plotting these different boxing matches. With all due respect to
Speaker 1: Nate Robinson, who's a hometown legend and basketball superstar, he
Speaker 1: got his ass not completely out on stage by Jake Paul,
Speaker 1: and I just got to say, you know, this is
Speaker 1: something where I'm like, not only are you not in
Speaker 1: your lane, you're showing how you have benefited from black culture.
Speaker 1: I know he's got a ton of black followers, and
Speaker 1: now you've made the mistaken assumption that now you are
Speaker 1: one of us, that you can do what we do.
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't separate this desire to do
Speaker 1: blackface from the desire to say the N word.
Speaker 6: So somebody explained that to me, Why do they want
Speaker 6: to say it's so bad? Why do people want it?
Speaker 6: Why do want to say we.
Speaker 3: Need a white guess for that? Because I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, why do they want to be so bad? The
Speaker 2: same question, by the way, you know what I what
Speaker 2: I interpreted from this man's interest in wanting to do
Speaker 2: this is to make the point that if you can
Speaker 2: do it, so can we. Like, there was no higher
Speaker 2: message than that. It's like, if it's okay for them
Speaker 2: to like Drew Ski just did, then what's the problem
Speaker 2: if I just want to do it with no I mean,
Speaker 2: no fidelity to history, no understanding or grounding and where
Speaker 2: blackface came from. And it wasn't just satirizing, it was
Speaker 2: also the exaggerated exaggeration of our features, our looks our again,
Speaker 2: not comedy, but insults so far as that they were
Speaker 2: attempting to levy. And moreover, they took work from us.
Speaker 2: They put you know, you had characters on plays, on
Speaker 2: stages in performance halls that were painted black because they
Speaker 2: refused to bring black people into the establishments. And then
Speaker 2: they again in those same places, used our skills and
Speaker 2: talents exaggerated them for their own pleasure. So I just
Speaker 2: think that the guys should just read a little bit
Speaker 2: of history or something. And typically the way societies work
Speaker 2: is that the majority acts to protect the minority. You
Speaker 2: don't use your majorities to pummel those who don't have
Speaker 2: your same numbers and representation. That's why I took issue
Speaker 2: with governors deciding to create legislation to go after three
Speaker 2: four people in their state. You don't do that when
Speaker 2: you're in the majority position. And for the time being, sir,
Speaker 2: you all still happen to be in the majority, and
Speaker 2: not just by a number, but by representation and power.
Speaker 6: What I don't want is for the difference between what
Speaker 6: Jake was talking what we're talking about with Jake Paul,
Speaker 6: and what what Andrew was talking about. Is I believe
Speaker 6: what Andrew was talking about in terms of government structure
Speaker 6: deserves a proper outrage. I would prefer people just to
Speaker 6: ignore Jake Paul m treat it with the level of
Speaker 6: respect that I think it deserves.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you gonna use your other great quote,
Speaker 2: which was the more skilled you are, the more you get,
Speaker 2: the more runway you get, the more talent, the more talent,
Speaker 2: the more run So, brother, your time's up.
Speaker 1: So on this, Jake Paul says in this podcast with
Speaker 1: the ovonn he says, I'm obviously Republican, and all the
Speaker 1: Republicans being mad about this is like an l for
Speaker 1: Republicans because this is hilarious and even though it's dark
Speaker 1: and twisted, this is what comedy is.
Speaker 3: So he at least acknowledges where they're you know, is.
Speaker 1: A flat side for the Republican Party because you know,
Speaker 1: they were up in arms saying, you know, well, what
Speaker 1: about that? You guys were mad about this Obama ape comparison,
Speaker 1: But how are you not outraged by this?
Speaker 3: There were black Republicans who were doing that.
Speaker 1: And I think that the other thing that's that's really
Speaker 1: fascinating here is he talks about in that clip that we.
Speaker 3: Played that he doesn't see color, but he.
Speaker 2: Wants to be black.
Speaker 1: Face, but wants to be put in black face. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty dog gone fascinating. And the
Speaker 1: other thing that he says, and I would love to
Speaker 1: hear y'all weigh on on this part. He says like,
Speaker 1: are we on the same playing field?
Speaker 3: He wants to know.
Speaker 1: Why he can't wear blackface? If quote, are we even
Speaker 1: on the same playing field? What is you all educated
Speaker 1: answer to Jake Paul on whether or not Jake Paul,
Speaker 1: this white man is on the same.
Speaker 3: Playing field as Drewski or any other black mirror.
Speaker 2: DoD you know a black person who wears black face?
Speaker 3: Yes, we can't take it off.
Speaker 2: No, but but even us we're different.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we can't. But I know, like wait a
Speaker 6: minute now, like Bamboozle Man, Tannah, Sleep and Eat a
Speaker 6: legendary black face characters, but.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: And then to serve a certain perfect purpose to.
Speaker 2: Certain I would just do, but we don't. We don't
Speaker 2: go around painting our face with shoe leather polish as
Speaker 2: a general rule. So part of them, even in drisky skin,
Speaker 2: he could have been the women he was imitating.
Speaker 3: He didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, it may have been exaggerated only because he's
Speaker 2: a heavier man or whatever, so he can't be the
Speaker 2: same size as what's his names, you know, widowed wife.
Speaker 2: But he didn't go in there doing anything other than
Speaker 2: reflecting what these women had done in real life. So
Speaker 2: I just I'm confused by them. I think my point
Speaker 2: at the beginning is still the same, which is is
Speaker 2: there's no point that they are trying to make other
Speaker 2: than if they if it's if they can do it,
Speaker 2: so can I. Yeah, And unfortunately I don't get to
Speaker 2: make that same judgment in society. I just want to
Speaker 2: make a walk down the street with a lemonade in
Speaker 2: his hand and confront whoever he wants to and have his.
Speaker 6: Way I just want to make I want to make
Speaker 6: a new native. Let's not talk about uh, let's not
Speaker 6: talk about Jake Paul anymore.
Speaker 2: It's not really about him. It really.
Speaker 1: I wanted to play the Drewski skit and we never
Speaker 1: got to it. And I thought, what was interesting here
Speaker 1: is this return not just of Jake Paul, but of
Speaker 1: white people desiring to put on black face and of
Speaker 1: white people desiring to say the N word. What can
Speaker 1: I say it if I'm rapping.
Speaker 2: The actor who said that because he just well you
Speaker 2: used it. I mean, he said negro, but you all
Speaker 2: see it all the time. Why can't we say he said,
Speaker 2: go ahead and say it?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, that with.
Speaker 6: Delroy Linda Say. He did say, Well, I want to
Speaker 6: do with the news, he said, just say it?
Speaker 3: Was that a real Was that a real news clipper?
Speaker 3: Was that an from a show?
Speaker 2: International shows?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: This also happened on like a comedic. I don't know
Speaker 1: what show that was, but I know that Chris Rock
Speaker 1: was on there, Jerry Seinfeld and this other white man
Speaker 1: and he says the N word and Chris Rock laughs,
Speaker 1: And in that moment I wanted to pop him like
Speaker 1: Will Smith did.
Speaker 2: Again, we have a lot of us who are performative
Speaker 2: still and a lot of spaces, A lot of us
Speaker 2: are still performing in a lot of lists. But my
Speaker 2: only like forget all the They they they want to
Speaker 2: reset the clock when they want to reset the clock.
Speaker 2: They want to reset the conditions, when they want to
Speaker 2: reset the conditions. Why didn't you want to reset the
Speaker 2: conditions to create the same easy entry to the same colleges,
Speaker 2: to the same schools, to the same jobs, with the
Speaker 2: same pay, with the same expectations and skills and performances. No, no,
Speaker 2: no, no no, you didn't want to reset the table. Then
Speaker 2: you didn't want all things being equal. Then it's only
Speaker 2: when you want to do when you want to defame us,
Speaker 2: demure us, remind us of our lesser place in society,
Speaker 2: then all things need to be equal so that you
Speaker 2: could play that role.
Speaker 1: You know what, Andrew, this reminds me just to get
Speaker 1: us back into one of the topics from the main show,
Speaker 1: and you're slightly off center. I guess so, am I
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure we don't make it
Speaker 1: so hard for Jordan to cut later and Bacari's blurry,
Speaker 1: but I know they can figure that out.
Speaker 3: But you know.
Speaker 1: The thing that I just thought about is when I
Speaker 1: posted the thing from my solo pod on Tuesday about
Speaker 1: Tucker Cross, and I'm like, this is your guy reminding
Speaker 1: them that they've been on the wrong sides of the issue.
Speaker 1: One thing that keeps coming up and I don't know
Speaker 1: if y'all have seen this, but they keeps coming up.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, don't you want them on our side now?
Speaker 1: And my thing is they're not really on our side.
Speaker 1: They're on our side about one particular issue. But let's
Speaker 1: ask them about DEI, Let's ask them about affirmative action.
Speaker 1: Let's ask them about access to housing. Let's ask them
Speaker 1: if our paycheck should be the same. Let's ask them
Speaker 1: if they support the freaking save acts. Right, So, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you will see MAGA colors still shining
Speaker 1: through on all of these other issues that matter. It's
Speaker 1: great that we can align on an issue or two,
Speaker 1: but they still are problematic across the board on a
Speaker 1: lot of other things. And on this issue we see
Speaker 1: Jake Paul being problematic, but this ain't the only place
Speaker 1: where he's problematic.
Speaker 2: Sure, right, And as my response to that is, we
Speaker 2: can ask those questions that I'm going to ask it
Speaker 2: after the election, so long as I believe that the
Speaker 2: issue that we share in common is the issue that
Speaker 2: is powering your vote, because too often we may have
Speaker 2: an issue in common, but it's not the one that
Speaker 2: is decisive to how you're going to choose. So I
Speaker 2: need you to We're gonna ride so long as our
Speaker 2: common shared cause, very in which we are in common cause,
Speaker 2: we also make the right common decision in the elections.
Speaker 2: But I get the fact that their alliance is temporary.
Speaker 2: It's not even temporary. It's not formalized.
Speaker 6: It's transational, transactional.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I'm just saying I don't want to make
Speaker 2: the bar too high for I see you for who
Speaker 2: you are. It just so happens on this occasion we
Speaker 2: are in common cause, and so long as that common
Speaker 2: cause drives your vote, I'm riding. But let's be clear,
Speaker 2: I haven't forgotten who you are.
Speaker 6: I also just hate this because I'm going back to
Speaker 6: this comment because mediocrity is like one of the banes
Speaker 6: of my existence. Like I just I despise it in
Speaker 6: every form. And Drew Ski is very skilled at what
Speaker 6: he does. And here we are comparing this white boy
Speaker 6: who wants to do a skit to somebody who has
Speaker 6: worked diligently since buying videos to grow a platform, to
Speaker 6: be able to hit the marks, to be able to
Speaker 6: do the makeup the right way and hit the language
Speaker 6: the right way, and do the church get the right
Speaker 6: way and outrage people and respond to him the right way.
Speaker 6: And now somebody wants to jump in his lane, and
Speaker 6: everybody's like, oh, he's just like Drew Ski. No the
Speaker 6: fuck he's not the Yes.
Speaker 2: How is how awesome is it to move throughout the
Speaker 2: world assuming that whatever it is that you see done
Speaker 2: regardless of whatever barriers existed for the person who's doing it, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just I woke up today, and therefore I should Right,
Speaker 2: it's the same thing, like, oh, because they can do it,
Speaker 2: then so should I. Shouldn't we also just be able
Speaker 2: to do it? Were you ignoring a whole bunch of things?
Speaker 2: All right, a whole bunch of stuff that goes into
Speaker 2: this thing? But you woke up today? Okay? I get
Speaker 2: it myself.
Speaker 3: I ain't got no necessary I don't either. I feel
Speaker 3: like we beat this dead horse.
Speaker 2: The horse is dead. It's on the horses dorses.
Speaker 1: But if you guys see these people in my comments
Speaker 1: saying like you should be.
Speaker 3: Glad that they came along. That's true, Andrew.
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