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<v Speaker 1>Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly

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<v Speaker 1>source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice. Hearty

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<v Speaker 1>Hoe and Welcome back to another offseason edition of Fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>Football Weekly with your host, nurse John mcaza and medical

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<v Speaker 1>specialist MD fantasy doctor Jake Tropo. What we're talking about today,

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<v Speaker 1>We've talking some injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake, how are you? Hopefully you're well?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm great. I don't know when I got

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<v Speaker 3>this medical degree that we're touting. It must have been

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<v Speaker 3>while I was sleeping, perhaps, but I'm happy to try

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<v Speaker 3>to fake my way through it for this No, John, John,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like more I'm a little bit more like

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<v Speaker 3>weather specialists.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been getting pummeled by storms here in Wisconsin for

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<v Speaker 3>like two months straight. I'm tired of it. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if I'm more tired of that though, or tired

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<v Speaker 3>of the storm of bad injury news that we've been

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<v Speaker 3>getting on NFL players, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the segue though. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was going to be able to get

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<v Speaker 1>away from weather talk. You know, I do baseball work,

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<v Speaker 1>and this weather really affects games being played and how

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<v Speaker 1>the ball moves and everything, and I'm like crash coursing meteorology. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>our medical degrees come from the medical school of Upstair Hollywood, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the Upstairs Hollywood degree from doctor Dick Riviera High everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Been most of the news. Of course, football season means.

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<v Speaker 1>Like hidden injuries, Drake, and they're coming in fast and furious.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always joked the best way to find the injuries

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't know about that we will know about

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<v Speaker 1>are on my roster ship page, and of course that's

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<v Speaker 1>been the case. Of course I've drafted guys we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know we're hurt. First up would be mister Ali Pearce

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 2>For the Colts.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about him, and right they move away from Pittman,

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<v Speaker 1>they gave Alec Pierce the bag, and I assumed, even

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<v Speaker 1>with questionable quarterback return from Daniel Jones, Pierce would be

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<v Speaker 1>the focal point of the passing offense well. Coach Shane Steichen,

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<v Speaker 1>when asked about Pierce's offseason surgery, he opened up the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility from not to be ready for the start of camp,

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<v Speaker 1>said it could be a quote unquote a couple weeks

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<v Speaker 1>in Pierce, this is just today said there was no

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<v Speaker 1>definitive timetable and when to be back. He was given

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<v Speaker 1>a four to six month recovery time after the March surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>March is the third month, six months is nine?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, we could be talking about a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks plus ramp up time, possibility of a setback.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like to invite injuries. The Alex Pierce sharfs

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<v Speaker 1>that I have are probably it. Let's look at the

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<v Speaker 1>other wide receivers really quick. Josh Down's ADP. Ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Westbrook a Keene adp. Two sixteen. Are there any values?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you off the colts? Do you like the incoming

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<v Speaker 1>Pierce discount?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? I think that's also on the way. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think, Jack?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess there will be a discount with Pierce,

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<v Speaker 3>although I just can't imagine even taking advantage of that

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<v Speaker 3>because the discount is not going to get him to

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<v Speaker 3>where I think his proper value is. I think he

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<v Speaker 3>was so overinflated based on the contract and I just

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<v Speaker 3>thought he should have come down anyways. This is going

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<v Speaker 3>to get him further down, but not far enough for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think the price tag for Josh Downs obviously

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<v Speaker 3>goes up a ton, So it's gonna be interesting to

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<v Speaker 3>see how far I'm in it right now based on

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<v Speaker 3>where he is, because I think he was undervalued. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually more curious to see what happens with Tyler

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<v Speaker 3>Warren out of anybody on this team. Westbrook A. Kine

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<v Speaker 3>is interesting because he does play a similar downfield, explosive

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<v Speaker 3>play type of guy, although a very low grade version

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<v Speaker 3>of it compared to Alec Pearce. But I thought Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Pittman's departure would actually help Warren more than anybody else

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<v Speaker 3>on this team, and I think he's maybe being a

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<v Speaker 3>bit overlooked in all of this, even though he's being

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<v Speaker 3>drafted very high. I could see an argument for him

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<v Speaker 3>like tight end four kind of seemed too high at

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<v Speaker 3>one point. Now I feel like maybe it's not even

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<v Speaker 3>high enough.

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<v Speaker 1>John Yeah, Warren I thought would thrive anyway. Any opening

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be a for him. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>really mentioned the key piece for me is Josh Downs.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I knew if he was gonna play in

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<v Speaker 1>two wide receiver sets, and the thing that kills me

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<v Speaker 1>with some of these guys, maybe like a Jayden Reid also, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>why can't we get these guys into two wide out sets,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when there's an opening right that. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>that to be a concern. I'm telling myself the story

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<v Speaker 1>that Downs is gonna be an every down player. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>see what he did there, at least to start the season.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of staying away from a keen a, although

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<v Speaker 1>I think in reed draft, especially in kind of deeper formats,

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably been an opening for him. You mentioned the

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<v Speaker 1>archetypical fit there kind of downfield, and that's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>open for Pierce. Even if Josh Downs is playing every down, Jake,

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt he's running go routes, right, That's not really

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<v Speaker 1>his thing. I don't think we want him doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I kind of stepped on the rake with Pierce,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't really overpaying, but if I was heavy

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<v Speaker 1>running back up front, I did think he'd fit a role.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm gonna get off that. The next bit of

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<v Speaker 1>news was another guy who's drafting and I have the

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<v Speaker 1>receipts because we spoke about it. Was Chris Rodriguez over

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<v Speaker 1>in Jacksonville. Remember he spent five seasons at Kentucky and

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<v Speaker 1>his best season was with Leen Cohen, who was the

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<v Speaker 1>offensive coordinator at the time. Right, so there was I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's a shower narrative, but something like that. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>according to team sources, the Jaguars Chris Rodriguez had a

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<v Speaker 1>procedure on his left foot ready in an injury early in

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<v Speaker 1>the off season program. He's expected to be ready for

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<v Speaker 1>the start of training camp in late July. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>so the obvious question is where do you stand on

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<v Speaker 1>the Rodriguez and are you pushing up Basil.

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<v Speaker 2>Touton, who I felt was already.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of expensive at thirty three maybe now right, if

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't worried about Rodriguez, that's where he should be

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<v Speaker 1>if he's moving up any more. Jake, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>any further that thirty three feels rich, maybe even fair,

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<v Speaker 1>but especially if Rodriguez returns and I still think he

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<v Speaker 1>could get the ends of work, that's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>too expensive for me. Loo quent Out at EIGHTYB two sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you make of the Jaguars backfield situation.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you brought up Bachel Tuton because is somebody

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<v Speaker 3>that I have been high on this offseason, even with

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<v Speaker 3>the addition of Chris Rodriguez, But it does feel like, boy,

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<v Speaker 3>he really took a balloon ride up in ADP, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you make a good point. If he starts getting into

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<v Speaker 3>the I don't know beginning of the fifth round. Am

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<v Speaker 3>I comfortable doing that For Bachel Tuton, a guy that

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<v Speaker 3>I liked coming out of college but didn't exactly thrive

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<v Speaker 3>last year, I'd be scared of that. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think I'm gonna follow him up in ADP much.

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<v Speaker 3>With Chris Rodriguez, though, I always hate these ambiguous, undisclosed

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<v Speaker 3>injury types of things. I just have flashbacks to Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Mixon and his mysterious foot injury from last year, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was supposedly no big deal until it was, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it kept him out all season and it might

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<v Speaker 3>have ended his career. I'm not saying that's the exact

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<v Speaker 3>case with Rodriguez, mind you, but I am staying away

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<v Speaker 3>because I don't think he's worth the headaches. Like I

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<v Speaker 3>think he's a fairly low ceiling play, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna go through all that unless the guy just has

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<v Speaker 3>massive upside, and I don't really see that with Rodriguez.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, let me do a quick correction. I was quoting

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<v Speaker 1>a minpick. The ADP is not far off as in

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<v Speaker 1>forty three. It wasn't thirty three, it's forty three. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen him go there now because people are immediately

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<v Speaker 1>overreacting to something, I think that initial price was already

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<v Speaker 1>discluding Rodriguez from.

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<v Speaker 2>The party here.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I mean you make a great point being

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<v Speaker 1>weary of injuries, I very much am. I'm trying not

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<v Speaker 1>to invite them. I'm certainly not paying premiums for them.

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<v Speaker 1>It just was funny as I was getting into Twoton.

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<v Speaker 1>If I saw him in the fourth or even sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>early five, if I was early wide receivers, I'm thinking, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a guy who could explode a really good offense.

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<v Speaker 2>But now, yeah, I don't know. We know he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>move up.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to decide if if I want any piece

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<v Speaker 1>of Rodriguez, is there anywhere that he could go chake again?

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<v Speaker 1>This is an offense we're expecting a lot from. But

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<v Speaker 1>there is Luquina Allen. I know I mentioned him twice.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who else is talking about him in June,

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<v Speaker 1>but he can be annoying. Sometimes it's that it's that

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<v Speaker 1>third thorn in the side, right or I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>second form. But either way, that extra, that third mouth

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<v Speaker 1>to feed can kind of kill everybody. Those are the

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<v Speaker 1>running back committees that I'm looking to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get off of.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my rostershipt for the Jaguars is gonna decline.

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<v Speaker 2>You pretty much signing off on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, John, it's like the band Poison said a long

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<v Speaker 3>time ago, every rose has three thorns. We know this.

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<v Speaker 3>They knew it to be true, We know it to

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<v Speaker 3>be true. I do think in the case of backfields

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<v Speaker 3>like this, where there is still a lot of ambiguity,

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<v Speaker 3>that's actually crazy. I didn't realize I misheard about Baseil Tuton.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe he's even going up higher than I thought.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm all the way out on tooton now, which

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<v Speaker 3>is too bad. Lo quent to Ellen, Yeah, why not, right,

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<v Speaker 3>because there's so few running backs that have a legitimate

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<v Speaker 3>shot at this much of the pie going that late.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a couple of guys you could maybe

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<v Speaker 3>make an argument for around his area. But I'll take

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<v Speaker 3>some shots. Why not let me load up on wide

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<v Speaker 3>receivers towards the middle rounds and I'll scrape together some

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<v Speaker 3>more running backs than the late part.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guy like George Laani kind of comes to mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Also that look into Allen. Okay, we're talking very much endgame,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you're doing the best ball thing or the

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<v Speaker 1>roto thing right now, those guys are bodies, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>already kind of projectable.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a lot of projectible volume, but it's some

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<v Speaker 1>projectible volume. And I think everyone is so eager to

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<v Speaker 1>draft these sixth and seventh round running backs that very

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<v Speaker 1>often are zeros and like a like a hard zero,

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<v Speaker 1>like they didn't see the field. They don't actually make

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<v Speaker 1>the team sometimes, where a guy like lucn Awen is

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<v Speaker 1>already shown that he can earn work in that offense.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, you know, say the Rodriguez thing really

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<v Speaker 1>goes poorly. You mentioned mixing, so it's not out of

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<v Speaker 1>the realm where it was an ankle injury to worry.

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<v Speaker 1>He's fine, it'll be back week one, don't worry, be

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<v Speaker 1>back out. Thea's all week three, Week five, week seven,

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<v Speaker 1>he may never play again. More like what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>How right? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>That escalated quickly, but de things happen. That's why I

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<v Speaker 1>tryed to invite any injuries if they're going on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>If Rodriguez does continue to drop, then I and he

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<v Speaker 1>comes back and please, then yeah, I might scoop him

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<v Speaker 1>at the end game.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Jake goes to.

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<v Speaker 1>A little lightning round doctor play I was gonna play

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<v Speaker 1>doctor or whatever. I already made that joke, so again.

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<v Speaker 1>The one thing I don't want to do is pretend

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<v Speaker 1>to be a Yeah, I don't want to pretend him whoo.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't want to come off like I

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<v Speaker 1>understand much, if anything, about medicine. But I have been

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<v Speaker 1>playing fantasy for a long time. We have a list

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<v Speaker 1>of players that would could and should have fantasy impact,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had season ending injuries. So each one is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be different than the other one. I have

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<v Speaker 1>found I feel comfortable ignoring, not say ignoring, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want any part of the late season injuries, right

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<v Speaker 1>if they happened late the recovery time. I worry about setbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>We've already had a couple of those. So I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of put that out there. First Off, Patrick Mahomes,

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting a ton of love in the industry streets

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<v Speaker 1>right now. You know, ADP ninety is pretty much the

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<v Speaker 1>cheapest you've ever been able to get him. But he

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<v Speaker 1>got hurt week fifteen, that's mid December to A and LCL.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the reports.

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<v Speaker 1>He's working out seven hours a day and he's ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of schedule. Not like he was running much. But the

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<v Speaker 1>running he did do was effective, meaning when Mahomes ran,

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<v Speaker 1>he made it to the marker, extended to drive, very efficient,

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<v Speaker 1>part of why his.

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<v Speaker 2>EPA stuff is so great.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm off Mahomes. I think they've telegraphed they don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want him running. Plus, I'm worried, I think, as I

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<v Speaker 1>should be when they brought in ken Walker. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm out Mahomes at the price is way too

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<v Speaker 1>many quarterbacks all going at the same time. He's going

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<v Speaker 1>right next to Jackson Dirt. I'd rather have Dirt, who's

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<v Speaker 1>running and for all intensive purposes is healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about.

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<v Speaker 3>Mahomes that's so interesting take. I think the exact opposite

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<v Speaker 3>approach on this player. I don't know that we've ever

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<v Speaker 3>been so divided on a player as Patrick Mahomes. We

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<v Speaker 3>should also mention very briefly, he just became the NFL's

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<v Speaker 3>first half a billion dollar player with that contract that

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<v Speaker 3>they gave him, so clearly they are comfortable with their investment.

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<v Speaker 3>And obviously we didn't expect this to be a long

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<v Speaker 3>term injury regardless. I remember Mahomes say that he's been

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<v Speaker 3>practicing with a brace on his left knee and something about,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I wore a brace in college and it's

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<v Speaker 3>on the same knee and it's not too different. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>we want him to be unencumbered by the injury. For

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<v Speaker 3>what you said about his rushing ability, it's not like

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<v Speaker 3>he's Lamar Jackson and you're gonna get nine hundred rushing

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<v Speaker 3>yards out of him in a season. But even his

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<v Speaker 3>ability to scramble, extend plays, that sort of thing very

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<v Speaker 3>important for him. But you also said this is the

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<v Speaker 3>cheapest we've ever been able to get Patrick Mahomes, and

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I've been saying this so much this offseason,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm gonna keep saying it because Mahomes used to

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<v Speaker 3>be this locked in top five fantasy quarterback and then

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<v Speaker 3>his decline coincided perfectly with Eric Bienemy leaving as offensive

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<v Speaker 3>coordinator and Matt Naggy coming in. Matt Naggy will do

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<v Speaker 3>that to a quarterback. He will cause them to slide,

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<v Speaker 3>especially for fantasy purposes. But the enemy is back, and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe Mahomes isn't as hungry as he used to be

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<v Speaker 3>as a young buck out there now that he's got paid.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm willing to be wrong and take him as

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<v Speaker 3>late as he's going, acknowledging that maybe I'll scoop up

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<v Speaker 3>a really late quarterback for those first couple weeks, so

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<v Speaker 3>I don't feel like I have to play Mahomes right away,

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<v Speaker 3>so we can kind of gauge it. But I'd rather

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<v Speaker 3>have him over Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart. The vibes are

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<v Speaker 3>bad with the Giants. He's injury I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>say injury prone, but he's certainly inviting injuries than the

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<v Speaker 3>average quarterback does. So I think I'm going Mahomes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, listen, I could buy all that because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in the farious cheapskate and he's cheap, so I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. If Mahomes was going up near those top

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<v Speaker 1>two or three qbs, then I'd be a hard out.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just pivoted towards the more running quarterbacks. That's always

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<v Speaker 1>how I've built again, having best ball brain on right now,

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<v Speaker 1>my QB two or QB three. I want guys that

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<v Speaker 1>can run. In redraft, you may have me. I may

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<v Speaker 1>want Mahomes over a guy like Dart, who really feels

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<v Speaker 1>very erratic and for me kind of built for best ball,

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<v Speaker 1>where we want all the spike weeks. We don't want

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<v Speaker 1>any of the floor weeks. Best ball affords you that

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<v Speaker 1>luxury where in redraft you could see Mahomes just consistently

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<v Speaker 1>doing his thing. I'm looking last year. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>realize how great he was. You know, from week was

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<v Speaker 1>it four through nine? He had five straight top five

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<v Speaker 1>QB weeks. So it's still in there. No one understands

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<v Speaker 1>a game better. I think I just worried that they

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<v Speaker 1>might be funneling it more through. But I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>start taking shots at Patrick Mahomes again if he's cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, another quarterback. This is bow Knicks ADP. One

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<v Speaker 1>oh five. He got hurt even later. That happened right

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<v Speaker 1>unlike the second to last play or whatever that AFC

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<v Speaker 1>Divisional round game. He fractured his right angle ankle. He

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<v Speaker 1>had surgery with a follow up procedure in April. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that kind of worries me. They're still saying

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<v Speaker 1>he's considered ahead of schedule and Week one looks likely.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have to take him over starting quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>like Matthew Stafford is going right there, Jared Goff, even

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<v Speaker 1>Kyler Murray, Jordan Love, Tyler Shuck, all guys I'd probably

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<v Speaker 1>rather have than bow Knicks, who, again, we need him

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<v Speaker 1>to run. What is that going to be?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't seen him do much of anything yet. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about bow Knicks?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I get why he's going so much

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<v Speaker 3>later than Mahomes, because the injury happened later, and because

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<v Speaker 3>he needs his mobility much more than Patrick Mahomes to

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<v Speaker 3>be fantasy relevant. He's only played two years. In those years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he finished his QB seven, which is great back to

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<v Speaker 3>back years. That's amazing. He added Jalen Waddle to his arsenal.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all good stuff. But here's a fun fact, John,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you know this. I didn't until today.

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<v Speaker 3>Bo Nix is one of only thirteen quarterbacks in NFL

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<v Speaker 3>history to throw the ball six hundred plus times in

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<v Speaker 3>a season without reaching four thousand passing yards. That's bad

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<v Speaker 3>rare air for a guy like him to be in

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<v Speaker 3>if he gets his mobility zapped away from him this year.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I like Wattle helping him out, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna help him be a top ten QB if

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<v Speaker 3>he has to try to stand in the pocket or

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<v Speaker 3>if he's really encumbered. And I know Sean Payton said

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<v Speaker 3>he came out. There's not gonna be any hiccups. Once

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<v Speaker 3>training camp starts, you decide for yourself how much you

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<v Speaker 3>want to trust Shundon. I trust him about as far

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<v Speaker 3>as I can block him across the NFL field. And

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<v Speaker 3>you might not know this listeners, although you probably do

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<v Speaker 3>because my voice gives away. I'm a pretty slight guy.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not gonna go far. So I'm out on

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<v Speaker 3>Bonix probably entirely, unless we get some crazy good, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>PR coverage coming up here in the next few months.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust him as far as you could push him off

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<v Speaker 2>the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, you are right about the QB price like

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<v Speaker 1>he is going much later than Mahomes. But it is

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<v Speaker 1>worth noting for anybody that maybe hasn't done fifty. Some

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<v Speaker 1>are drafts like I have. I have never seen such

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<v Speaker 1>consolidation for QB pricing. Josh Allen is an anomaly. He

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<v Speaker 1>goes way up top. Then you get Lamar and it's

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<v Speaker 1>been late for him. But Lamar in like the mid

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<v Speaker 1>to late fifties, and then come pick sixty five. It

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<v Speaker 1>just begins. I think I counted eighteen quarterbacks have a

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<v Speaker 1>ADP between sixty five and like one to oh five,

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<v Speaker 1>So in a forty pickspan, more than one out of

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<v Speaker 1>every three picks is a QB for like three or

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<v Speaker 1>four rounds in a row. So it just worth if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody is kind of doing some preseason work, maybe thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about doing basketball stuff, be ready. You have to really

0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.280
<v Speaker 1>choose between these guys. You really have to pick a pair, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're picking a guy you like in the sixties and seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe one more that you like in that ninety

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<v Speaker 1>or one hundred range because the cover really empties out

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<v Speaker 1>very fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Worth noting. If you do get.

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<v Speaker 1>Caught waiting really late, you might want Daniel Jones our

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<v Speaker 1>next quarterback EDP one forty five. He also got hurt

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<v Speaker 1>in late in the season. That was December first week,

0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.800
<v Speaker 1>torn right achilles. Those can be really bad. We've also

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<v Speaker 1>seen that you know, sap running in power The next season,

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing seven on seven drills, which is encouraging, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really sure I'm trusting anything I'm seeing from DJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Also worth noting the team's success was so directly correlated

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<v Speaker 1>to him. I didn't think I'd ever be saying that

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<v Speaker 1>about Daniel Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>They were breaking all King differential records, all the EPA records, everything.

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<v Speaker 2>They were a wagon. And then he goes away and Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor, who was arcing for like greatest fantasy season ever,

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<v Speaker 1>like the smash pick you needed all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>was costing people playoff matchups. So what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>about Daniel Jones? And then, more specifically, because he's going

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<v Speaker 1>late enough that we can make a cost argument, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you think it impacts the rest of the Colts.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm really thinking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, we can't blame the Colts too much

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<v Speaker 3>when their reserve option was a guy who'd been coaching

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<v Speaker 3>high school football for like the last four seasons. Philip

0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Rivers comes off off the bench, off the bench, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was crazy from the distant pass to come and

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<v Speaker 3>try to save the season. So I'm not gonna really

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<v Speaker 3>hold it against any of the pass catchers on this

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<v Speaker 3>team if they have to go out there without Daniel Jones.

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<v Speaker 3>Riley Leonard for all intents and purposes, I still think

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<v Speaker 3>is a decent backup option if they decide to ride

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<v Speaker 3>with him. We don't know if it will be him

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever Gardener Minshew, but I do think Daniel Jones

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<v Speaker 3>is gonna be a tough sell. We don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>quarterbacks are really affected by ACL stuff that are of

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<v Speaker 3>his caliber, because the last few ones it's like Aaron

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<v Speaker 3>Rodgers towards ACL. But he was on a new team

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<v Speaker 3>and on the verge of ten thousand years old. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't know that his exact follow up season is going

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<v Speaker 3>to translate to a guy like Daniel Jones. Necessarily. This

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<v Speaker 3>is where our lack of doctoring really shows. Probably, But

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<v Speaker 3>I do think Daniel Jones, if he's even not mobile,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a good enough passer, as he showed last year that,

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<v Speaker 3>like we were just talking about Josh Downs, I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's still gonna be fine, Tyler Warren, He's still gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be fine. So I'm not actually impacting the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>the cast because of this injury. It's just a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of do I even want to dare try Daniel Jones

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<v Speaker 3>with the last pick of my draft, you know, because

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<v Speaker 3>you can decide between him and a guy like Geno Smith.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically at this point, I'd rather at least take the

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<v Speaker 3>upshot of Daniel Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that last point is a good one. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also glad you mentioned the downs and warrant thing. They

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<v Speaker 1>are two players. I don't want to see that QB proof,

0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:13.440
<v Speaker 1>but those style of player can overcome quarterback quality because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it is getting open near the line

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<v Speaker 1>of scrimmage and canting kind of lay up targets, high

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.520
<v Speaker 1>probability targets. I think they're both really skilled and have

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<v Speaker 1>that ability to do so. If and when Daniel Jones

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<v Speaker 1>comes back, I think you're getting an immediate I don't know,

0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:31.040
<v Speaker 1>a wide receiver two in downs and definitely a tight

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<v Speaker 1>end one. I think you're getting a tight end one

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of Warren. I think you're getting a high end

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<v Speaker 1>tight end one with Jones back. So worth it with

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<v Speaker 1>those guys, I think to you know, still be buying

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<v Speaker 1>in even with question marks. As far as Jones himself, again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's laid enough if it fits the build. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you do it, Jake. Of course we ran on longer

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<v Speaker 1>than I wanted to. I don't know if we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to make it. Everybody, let me shuffle some papers, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take it. Let me take a quick breath. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get into some running backs. And if this takes

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<v Speaker 1>too long, because I want to give everything the attention

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.440
<v Speaker 1>that deserves, maybe we'll just break this episode into two

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 1>and do the pass catchers next time around. With whatever

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<v Speaker 1>news and no so ho going. We need to take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick broth. I got right back to you, all right, Jakes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for that. I know I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have enough time to do any medical studying, but we

0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.879
<v Speaker 1>can't talk about some running backs, right. The lack of

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<v Speaker 1>medical training is really kind of showing through today.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's do the.

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<v Speaker 1>Running backs again. I want to give the attention here

0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.399
<v Speaker 1>because this stuff matters, right, Chaos is a ladder, and

0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 1>these opportunities and these players are going to be impactful

0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.240
<v Speaker 1>one way or another. Right, either they hit the ground

0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.320
<v Speaker 1>running they're really good. We wanted them, or in a

0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:35.120
<v Speaker 1>case like cam Scatabo, let's say this goes wrong. You're

0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.640
<v Speaker 1>paying a top forty five overall pick and it could

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:39.800
<v Speaker 1>really hurt you, right, so impact kind of goes both ways.

0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Scatabo was hurt in week eight, so this is quite

0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.439
<v Speaker 1>a bit earlier than some of the other ones. That

0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.399
<v Speaker 1>two months can make a big difference. That was verse Philly.

0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.600
<v Speaker 1>He disslocated his ankle. It was a compound fracture, a

0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.960
<v Speaker 1>deltoid ligament tear, not that I know what that is now.

0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.400
<v Speaker 1>He had emergency surgery, which is like both good and bad, right,

0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.320
<v Speaker 1>we want these procedures immediately. The worst thing I think

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.679
<v Speaker 1>is when teams and players try and heal things with

0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.120
<v Speaker 1>rest only to find out, oh, that didn't work.

0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Surgery is a good thing.

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.240
<v Speaker 1>He showed up to all voluntary workouts. He has a

0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>chance at week one. They're saying unlikely to be one

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.400
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent. We know Scatabo, and this is the guy

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.399
<v Speaker 1>you want in fantasy catches the ball, all the end

0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.400
<v Speaker 1>zone work, and best friends with the quarterback. The two

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.680
<v Speaker 1>of them together are like a you know, line share

0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:26.679
<v Speaker 1>of all the yard of and all the fantasy points.

0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:28.240
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about Scatabo.

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 1>He's a guy I had been drafting with my best

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:35.439
<v Speaker 1>ball brain because I think we saw Tyrone Tracy get

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.320
<v Speaker 1>you know the full workload, so I think those two

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 1>guys are fairly priced as a tandem. Talk to me

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 1>about the giants, scatabo you think about Big.

0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:47.240
<v Speaker 3>Blue, Well, John, I actually did take my MCATs over

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:49.720
<v Speaker 3>the break, so I've come back with much more knowledge

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:51.520
<v Speaker 3>now and I'm ready to break this down. Yes, and

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:55.439
<v Speaker 3>here's what I've discovered with Cam Scataboo. His injury was

0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 3>gross and gnarly. It was one of the worst injury

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 3>that we've seen in the last couple of years. I mean,

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:07.120
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that they want to get him as involved

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 3>as possible. I appreciate that he wants to be as

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.840
<v Speaker 3>involved as possible, but the dude still runs like the freakin'

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Juggernaut from X Men first, and I can't imagine he's

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:21.199
<v Speaker 3>necessarily putting his health as priority number one. Uh So

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm still he's doing backflips, and of course he's doing backflips,

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 3>and they joked.

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:28.880
<v Speaker 1>They were like, okay, Harball was like, all right, let's

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 1>let's it's good to see the mobility, but let's cut

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:33.199
<v Speaker 1>back on the gymnastics. Sorry to cut you off, but

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:35.800
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned it could I couldn't believe it when I

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:36.359
<v Speaker 1>saw that.

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.960
<v Speaker 3>If he backflips his way into another injury, I unfortunately

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.919
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't all be that surprised by it, which is the

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 3>thing that scares me about drafting a guy like Cam'scattaboo

0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 3>is he's going so high, and yes, the expectation can

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 3>be he's going to be seventy percent of the backfield

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 3>or maybe even he's going to be fifty percent of

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 3>the team production at this point if Malik Neighbors has

0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 3>worse issues, which we'll discuss later, but I I'm still

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:03.120
<v Speaker 3>just the only Giant that I'm really comfortable drafting right

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 3>now truly is Isaiah Likely and Tyrone Tracy, as you

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 3>mentioned very late, because the possibility of injuries so high.

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 3>With Skataboo, he's also one of those pieces obviously, along

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 3>with Jackson Dart who has his own injury concerns, and

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Milig Neighbors, who has his own injury concerns, they feel

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.639
<v Speaker 3>like a team one injury away from looking like the

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, fricking Miami Dolphins this year. So I'm pretty nervous.

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:30.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm taking Isaiah Likely and I'm just staying away pretty

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 3>much from the rest of his crew.

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would definitely say not overloading on giants is

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:38.399
<v Speaker 1>a good idea, though, I have to be honest.

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Transparency is kind of my thing.

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 1>I have lots of giants spread out, right, so I

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:47.359
<v Speaker 1>have some Scatabo and Tracy tandems. But I'm trying not

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:51.919
<v Speaker 1>to do that with Dart and Likely. I'm with you, Unlikely.

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Those are teams that I like to have Jackson Dart

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 1>when I have a running quarterback, especially when I could

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 1>get a little bit later, I like to pay them

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:01.879
<v Speaker 1>with the tight ends. I was talking about Ulsage and

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Malik Willis also. I think that's a cool kind of

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.359
<v Speaker 1>late pairing. That's like a team move version of the Giants,

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:09.679
<v Speaker 1>which maybe says something about either of them.

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm not quite sure, but it's not good whatever it says.

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 1>See, I think Scatibo is a bit of a risk.

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.639
<v Speaker 1>I think you should be worried. I think I like

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>him more in redraft right, if he's healthy. You want

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:22.399
<v Speaker 1>that week one stuff. We're all gonna be dealing with

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.159
<v Speaker 1>injuries and figuring out waiver stuff as we go. I

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.959
<v Speaker 1>want the guy that could get me off to a

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>great start. I mean, the type of usage he was

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.920
<v Speaker 1>getting is hard to find, especially that part of the

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 1>draft board, though there is another player and he's going

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.120
<v Speaker 1>around later. He's the next on our injury board here.

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>It's Quinn Shawn Jenkins for Cleveland, who really impressed me

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:47.440
<v Speaker 1>given the late start and lack of preparation last year.

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 1>He got hurt in late December Week sixteen versus Buffalo.

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:51.439
<v Speaker 2>It was nasty.

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:56.399
<v Speaker 1>Also dislocated right ankle and a fractured fibula. I couldn't believe.

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I was watching videos of him right now. He looks awesome.

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 1>They're over the moon for him and his prospects. What's

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the problem. One team's live players, lie Jake, but also

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 1>it's the ecosystem of the Browns.

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 2>This is ADP fifty.

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Five, which, if you think you're getting one hundred percent Judkins,

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I think is good. My worry is how good are

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>they gonna be? And his pass game work has been

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:24.359
<v Speaker 1>threatened by Samson, So given the late time of the

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>injury with Judkins, and I think, like I mentioned, bad environment,

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.199
<v Speaker 1>with the threat of the backup losing some passwork, I

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:32.399
<v Speaker 1>think I'm out on Judkins.

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm letting other people go that way. What

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>do you think?

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:39.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if literally everything goes perfectly for him, then I'm

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 3>comfortable at his ADP, but I'm still not even necessarily

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.199
<v Speaker 3>over the moon at his ADP. So yeah, that to

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 3>me just says back off. And I know that. Yeah,

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 3>it's it's team lying offseason, it's coach speaks season. They're

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 3>gonna say he's confident and explosive and ahead of a schedule,

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 3>because what are you supposed to say about your star

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 3>running back? And I know that supposedly his injury was

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 3>higher up on the ankle, so it was like a

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 3>best case scenario for him. I think best case scenario

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:12.119
<v Speaker 3>is that he actually turns into a pass catching running back,

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 3>which I don't think is on the table because you

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 3>mentioned Dylan Sampson still there. And best case scenario would

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:19.679
<v Speaker 3>be he's in an offense that has a lot of

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.639
<v Speaker 3>scoring potential, which I just don't see with this year's

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:25.160
<v Speaker 3>version of the Brown. So if he's one hundred percent

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 3>good to go and there's no setbacks, fine, But like you,

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:33.200
<v Speaker 3>I will probably just bypass that position around where he's

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.120
<v Speaker 3>being drafted and pivot to something else.

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>So Jokins is going right next to Daring Price, who

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm over the moon for, and I will not be

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>fielding any you know, one v one questions on him,

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 1>because to me, that's already a given. What the answer is,

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I do have another injured player. He's not on our

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 1>list because he didn't finish the year injured.

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Where are you? How about Bucky Irvin.

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>This is a decision lots of people have to make,

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and the answer could be neither. That's my answer, not

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>to bury with the lead Bucky Irvin v. Quinchin Pupkins

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 1>at the same ADP.

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 3>Jake, Yeah, I wonder if we're overreacting a bit too

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 3>much to Bucky Irving.

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 3>I've been worried about Bucky Irving and so I understand

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 3>and understood his initial decline in ADP. I just wonder

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 3>that we're over correcting now because if he's going this

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 3>far down and we know that he is a good

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 3>pass catcher, obviously Kenny Gainwell is there, and we've talked

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 3>a lot about Kenny Gainwell being somebody to target later

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 3>in drafts because he's an improvement I think over a

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 3>shod white. But if Bucky does look like he did

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 3>a year and a half ago, I think we're gonna

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 3>feel a little foolish. So based on upside, I would

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 3>much rather have Bucky Irving than Quinn Shod Judkins. I

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 3>don't know that I'm gonna trip over myself to click

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 3>draft on him, but if he keeps slipping down even

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more, I might have to.

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I was really big at the Bucky the first year.

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 1>That was a hit king back for the Encore. That

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't work out. The injury kind of lingered. I ended

0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:00.080
<v Speaker 1>up getting stung, And now this year the points they

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>make are very good. Hard not to worry about gainwell

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and then Talker is back there. But I would agree

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>a one hundred percent Bucky Irving wins that the job.

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know one's getting one hundred percent of carries right.

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Those days are over, but yeah, I think he could

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 1>still be great with a price that's moving down. Right,

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>That's when my antenna starts to pop. So it'll be

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>interesting to see. But I think we're in agreement. Neither

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>of us are going to end up with a lot

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of Judkins at cost too many red flags, or we

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>got two more running backs. I want to get through

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>them both. And again we'll give the pass catchers their

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 1>due next week because this is really good stuff, where

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, talking about a lot of process stuff, pulling

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the curtain on what we think about these players and

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>then all the subsequent stuff. Next up is Jonathan Brooks,

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>who I've been lucky enough to completely avoid because I'm

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of a curmudgeon when it comes to injuries. The

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>second I hear guys injured right now, I'm not interested.

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Brooks is not injured right now now. He did retear

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>a right ACL in December, but it was of twenty four, right,

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>so we haven't seen him. He's had the time. They

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>are just gushing over him right now. I mean not

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>only are they gushing over him right now, they've telegraphed

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 1>it with the roster move right allowing ric o'dowdell, who

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 1>was gosh, Barry Sanders. You know, when Walter Peton rolled

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>into one for like a three week stretch last year,

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>they moved on from him with with Truba Hubbard. He's

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 1>still there. But the way they're talking about Brooks is

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 1>man he could maybe be a one A and again,

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 1>pricing is really tough. He's at pick one oh eight.

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>He's very polarizing player. I feel like people are either

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>way on it, in on him, or all the way out.

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Where do you stand on Jonathan Brooks for the Panthers.

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 3>Jonathan with two o's Brooks is that how Jonathan is

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 3>always spelled by the way I thought there was it

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 3>was a thha N, not thh o N. And I

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 3>can't stop looking at it.

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, I didn't notice that till just now,

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I was gonna say, I think you

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:01.959
<v Speaker 1>have a typo.

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 2>It's j O N. I thought that's where you were

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>placing the second. Oh you don't, No, no, no, no, no,

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 2>you're right. I've never seen that.

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 3>Now I'll never draft him. I can't even understand the

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 3>concept of how his name spelled. I can't believe in

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 3>him for my fantasy team. No, I do think that

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 3>there's obvious risk. He's a running back coming off of

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 3>consecutive torn acls, and remember how long it took for

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Javonte Williams to get back to his old self after

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 3>just one ACL tear. But the better news for Brooks

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 3>is that he's so young. He's still only twenty two

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 3>years old, so maybe his recovery timeline looks a lot

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 3>faster than a guy that's even three years You know

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 3>that seat.

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's had ample time at this point.

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 3>Now, yeah, he's he's had tons of time, and if

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 3>he's not out there sort of beleaguering the injury further,

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 3>like he's not being asked to run through the injury

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.120
<v Speaker 3>in games, which could probably be a set pack for

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 3>a lot of guys. Then the freshness probably does account

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 3>for something, John, and I will say, Rico Daldo you

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 3>mentioned he outpaced Toba Hubbard last year. Granted part of

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 3>that was because of Hubbard's own calf injury that flared up,

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 3>but the team showed confidence in Brooks. You don't let

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 3>Rico Daudo walk because it's not like he was gonna

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 3>have to get a massive payday. You could afford to

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<v Speaker 3>keep both chubbered chubbered Hubbard.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a good one. I actually like that we should.

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<v Speaker 3>Just cut through it and call him chubbered from here

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<v Speaker 3>on out. I think save space, save you know, vowels.

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<v Speaker 3>In any case, I think that Brooks has the vote

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<v Speaker 3>of confidence. And at this range, who has this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of upside around where he's being drafted. Not a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of guys, So I get the appeal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the name of the game. In the triple

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 1>digit picks, Remember most of these guys are going to

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<v Speaker 1>get dropped or hurt before the first month of play's over.

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 1>So if you have a chance at player to check

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<v Speaker 1>the box is to be the big breakout. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Brooks is that I don't know if it's gonna happen.

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if I'm making a week one,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is the type of play that could hit,

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<v Speaker 1>so I depending on my build.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where I've been. Let's do this last player really quick.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Zach Charbonnay on the Seahawks ADP one sixty five.

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I believe he's gonna start moving up now. He tore

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<v Speaker 1>on ACL in January in the wild card game. That's

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 1>part of why I've been so high on Price. I

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 1>normally give twelve months for recovery. Is kind of what

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 1>we were mentioning why I'm into the early injuries. I

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>want the twelve month recovery time to land in the

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 1>off season so there's no pressure to return to early.

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I always feel like everybody, the player, the staff, the coaches,

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>everybody has a vested interest in getting these guys on

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the field. They don't know better, you know. They they

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.840
<v Speaker 1>want to win, they want to play, and I worry.

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>So when I see the timeline, that's what I'm into.

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>This is the opposite. This feels totally rushed. I don't

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:00.839
<v Speaker 1>know how we could get this guy back. He had

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>surgery in late February. Nine month recovery usually minimum that's October,

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:07.959
<v Speaker 1>November or and now they're like they're trying to talk about

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 1>having him available early. There was a mention of week

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>one today. Yeah, right, not gonna happen. So I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 1>that people run with that week one narrative and it

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>hopefully will knock price down around where I'll be there

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to scoop him up on one hundred percent of teams.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that I don't like sharbon Ay. I just

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:29.879
<v Speaker 1>think this is putting the cart before the horse way.

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Too many things can go wrong, and you risk the

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 1>reaggravation if you rush back too fast. So I'm out

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 1>on Sharves even at pick one sixty five.

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I'd rather have Halani one v one right now. Where

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<v Speaker 2>are you on, Charboney? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I mentioned Devonte Williams and his like two

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 3>year process to looking as good or close to as

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 3>good as he did initially. CHARBERTA doesn't have even like

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 3>you said a full year to get back to his

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 3>old self, and let me remind you his old self

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 3>was not anything fantas astic for your fantasy teams. A

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:05.279
<v Speaker 3>healthy Charbone never finished higher than RB twenty nine in

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:09.719
<v Speaker 3>PPR points per game. Yeah, they let Kenneth Walker go

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:12.359
<v Speaker 3>in free agency, but they spent the first round pick

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 3>on Jendarian Price. So unless Price just completely winds up

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 3>an unexpected bust, they're not gonna give Charbonet the workload

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.919
<v Speaker 3>that you want to be this invested in a guy.

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, give me Price, give me Halani, give me

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 3>Emmanuel Wilson if you want to just take a contrarian

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:33.280
<v Speaker 3>shot later on in your drafts. But there's no chance

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 3>that I'm doing anything with Charbonet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, an Emmanuel Wilson mentioned means it's time to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of here, mister Jake.

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 2>You know what. I'm glad that we took the time. Though.

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<v Speaker 1>We will sever the back end of the outline and

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 1>we'll go back to it next week with pass catches

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever news and olds come up. Thanks so much

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 1>everybody for hanging along with us. Enjoy your weekend. Thanks

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>for listening to Fantasy Football Weekly and we'll see you soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I know no, you know no.