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Speaker 1: Hoe and Welcome back to another offseason edition of Fantasy
Speaker 1: Football Weekly with your host, nurse John mcaza and medical
Speaker 1: specialist MD fantasy doctor Jake Tropo. What we're talking about today,
Speaker 1: We've talking some injuries.
Speaker 2: Jake, how are you? Hopefully you're well?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm great. I don't know when I got
Speaker 3: this medical degree that we're touting. It must have been
Speaker 3: while I was sleeping, perhaps, but I'm happy to try
Speaker 3: to fake my way through it for this No, John, John,
Speaker 3: I feel like more I'm a little bit more like
Speaker 3: weather specialists.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: We've been getting pummeled by storms here in Wisconsin for
Speaker 3: like two months straight. I'm tired of it. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I'm more tired of that though, or tired
Speaker 3: of the storm of bad injury news that we've been
Speaker 3: getting on NFL players, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I love the segue though. It's funny.
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be able to get
Speaker 1: away from weather talk. You know, I do baseball work,
Speaker 1: and this weather really affects games being played and how
Speaker 1: the ball moves and everything, and I'm like crash coursing meteorology. Anyway,
Speaker 1: our medical degrees come from the medical school of Upstair Hollywood, right,
Speaker 1: the Upstairs Hollywood degree from doctor Dick Riviera High everybody,
Speaker 1: all right, So that's.
Speaker 2: Been most of the news. Of course, football season means.
Speaker 1: Like hidden injuries, Drake, and they're coming in fast and furious.
Speaker 1: I've always joked the best way to find the injuries
Speaker 1: that we don't know about that we will know about
Speaker 1: are on my roster ship page, and of course that's
Speaker 1: been the case. Of course I've drafted guys we didn't
Speaker 1: know we're hurt. First up would be mister Ali Pearce
Speaker 1: wide receiver.
Speaker 2: For the Colts.
Speaker 1: We talked about him, and right they move away from Pittman,
Speaker 1: they gave Alec Pierce the bag, and I assumed, even
Speaker 1: with questionable quarterback return from Daniel Jones, Pierce would be
Speaker 1: the focal point of the passing offense well. Coach Shane Steichen,
Speaker 1: when asked about Pierce's offseason surgery, he opened up the
Speaker 1: possibility from not to be ready for the start of camp,
Speaker 1: said it could be a quote unquote a couple weeks
Speaker 1: in Pierce, this is just today said there was no
Speaker 1: definitive timetable and when to be back. He was given
Speaker 1: a four to six month recovery time after the March surgery.
Speaker 1: March is the third month, six months is nine?
Speaker 2: Uh oh?
Speaker 1: Like I said, we could be talking about a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks plus ramp up time, possibility of a setback.
Speaker 1: I don't like to invite injuries. The Alex Pierce sharfs
Speaker 1: that I have are probably it. Let's look at the
Speaker 1: other wide receivers really quick. Josh Down's ADP. Ninety five,
Speaker 1: Nick Westbrook a Keene adp. Two sixteen. Are there any values?
Speaker 1: Are you off the colts? Do you like the incoming
Speaker 1: Pierce discount?
Speaker 2: Right? I think that's also on the way. What do
Speaker 2: you think, Jack?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess there will be a discount with Pierce,
Speaker 3: although I just can't imagine even taking advantage of that
Speaker 3: because the discount is not going to get him to
Speaker 3: where I think his proper value is. I think he
Speaker 3: was so overinflated based on the contract and I just
Speaker 3: thought he should have come down anyways. This is going
Speaker 3: to get him further down, but not far enough for me.
Speaker 3: I do think the price tag for Josh Downs obviously
Speaker 3: goes up a ton, So it's gonna be interesting to
Speaker 3: see how far I'm in it right now based on
Speaker 3: where he is, because I think he was undervalued. But
Speaker 3: I'm actually more curious to see what happens with Tyler
Speaker 3: Warren out of anybody on this team. Westbrook A. Kine
Speaker 3: is interesting because he does play a similar downfield, explosive
Speaker 3: play type of guy, although a very low grade version
Speaker 3: of it compared to Alec Pearce. But I thought Michael
Speaker 3: Pittman's departure would actually help Warren more than anybody else
Speaker 3: on this team, and I think he's maybe being a
Speaker 3: bit overlooked in all of this, even though he's being
Speaker 3: drafted very high. I could see an argument for him
Speaker 3: like tight end four kind of seemed too high at
Speaker 3: one point. Now I feel like maybe it's not even
Speaker 3: high enough.
Speaker 1: John Yeah, Warren I thought would thrive anyway. Any opening
Speaker 1: is going to be a for him. I think he
Speaker 1: really mentioned the key piece for me is Josh Downs.
Speaker 2: Gosh.
Speaker 1: I wish I knew if he was gonna play in
Speaker 1: two wide receiver sets, and the thing that kills me
Speaker 1: with some of these guys, maybe like a Jayden Reid also, Man,
Speaker 1: why can't we get these guys into two wide out sets,
Speaker 1: especially when there's an opening right that. I don't want
Speaker 1: that to be a concern. I'm telling myself the story
Speaker 1: that Downs is gonna be an every down player. Oh
Speaker 1: see what he did there, at least to start the season.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of staying away from a keen a, although
Speaker 1: I think in reed draft, especially in kind of deeper formats,
Speaker 1: there's probably been an opening for him. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: archetypical fit there kind of downfield, and that's gonna be
Speaker 1: open for Pierce. Even if Josh Downs is playing every down, Jake,
Speaker 1: I doubt he's running go routes, right, That's not really
Speaker 1: his thing. I don't think we want him doing that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I kind of stepped on the rake with Pierce,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really overpaying, but if I was heavy
Speaker 1: running back up front, I did think he'd fit a role.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna get off that. The next bit of
Speaker 1: news was another guy who's drafting and I have the
Speaker 1: receipts because we spoke about it. Was Chris Rodriguez over
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. Remember he spent five seasons at Kentucky and
Speaker 1: his best season was with Leen Cohen, who was the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at the time. Right, so there was I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a shower narrative, but something like that. Now,
Speaker 1: according to team sources, the Jaguars Chris Rodriguez had a
Speaker 1: procedure on his left foot ready in an injury early in
Speaker 1: the off season program. He's expected to be ready for
Speaker 1: the start of training camp in late July. I mean,
Speaker 1: so the obvious question is where do you stand on
Speaker 1: the Rodriguez and are you pushing up Basil.
Speaker 2: Touton, who I felt was already.
Speaker 1: Kind of expensive at thirty three maybe now right, if
Speaker 1: you weren't worried about Rodriguez, that's where he should be
Speaker 1: if he's moving up any more. Jake, I'm not going
Speaker 1: any further that thirty three feels rich, maybe even fair,
Speaker 1: but especially if Rodriguez returns and I still think he
Speaker 1: could get the ends of work, that's a little bit
Speaker 1: too expensive for me. Loo quent Out at EIGHTYB two sixteen,
Speaker 1: what do you make of the Jaguars backfield situation.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up Bachel Tuton because is somebody
Speaker 3: that I have been high on this offseason, even with
Speaker 3: the addition of Chris Rodriguez, But it does feel like, boy,
Speaker 3: he really took a balloon ride up in ADP, And yeah,
Speaker 3: you make a good point. If he starts getting into
Speaker 3: the I don't know beginning of the fifth round. Am
Speaker 3: I comfortable doing that For Bachel Tuton, a guy that
Speaker 3: I liked coming out of college but didn't exactly thrive
Speaker 3: last year, I'd be scared of that. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't think I'm gonna follow him up in ADP much.
Speaker 3: With Chris Rodriguez, though, I always hate these ambiguous, undisclosed
Speaker 3: injury types of things. I just have flashbacks to Joe
Speaker 3: Mixon and his mysterious foot injury from last year, and
Speaker 3: it was supposedly no big deal until it was, and
Speaker 3: then it kept him out all season and it might
Speaker 3: have ended his career. I'm not saying that's the exact
Speaker 3: case with Rodriguez, mind you, but I am staying away
Speaker 3: because I don't think he's worth the headaches. Like I
Speaker 3: think he's a fairly low ceiling play, so I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna go through all that unless the guy just has
Speaker 3: massive upside, and I don't really see that with Rodriguez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1: Oh, let me do a quick correction. I was quoting
Speaker 1: a minpick. The ADP is not far off as in
Speaker 1: forty three. It wasn't thirty three, it's forty three. But
Speaker 1: I've seen him go there now because people are immediately
Speaker 1: overreacting to something, I think that initial price was already
Speaker 1: discluding Rodriguez from.
Speaker 2: The party here.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean you make a great point being
Speaker 1: weary of injuries, I very much am. I'm trying not
Speaker 1: to invite them. I'm certainly not paying premiums for them.
Speaker 1: It just was funny as I was getting into Twoton.
Speaker 1: If I saw him in the fourth or even sometimes
Speaker 1: early five, if I was early wide receivers, I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a guy who could explode a really good offense.
Speaker 2: But now, yeah, I don't know. We know he's gonna
Speaker 2: move up.
Speaker 1: I have to decide if if I want any piece
Speaker 1: of Rodriguez, is there anywhere that he could go chake again?
Speaker 1: This is an offense we're expecting a lot from. But
Speaker 1: there is Luquina Allen. I know I mentioned him twice.
Speaker 1: I don't know who else is talking about him in June,
Speaker 1: but he can be annoying. Sometimes it's that it's that
Speaker 1: third thorn in the side, right or I guess the
Speaker 1: second form. But either way, that extra, that third mouth
Speaker 1: to feed can kind of kill everybody. Those are the
Speaker 1: running back committees that I'm looking to.
Speaker 2: Get off of.
Speaker 1: I think my rostershipt for the Jaguars is gonna decline.
Speaker 2: You pretty much signing off on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, John, it's like the band Poison said a long
Speaker 3: time ago, every rose has three thorns. We know this.
Speaker 3: They knew it to be true, We know it to
Speaker 3: be true. I do think in the case of backfields
Speaker 3: like this, where there is still a lot of ambiguity,
Speaker 3: that's actually crazy. I didn't realize I misheard about Baseil Tuton.
Speaker 3: I can't believe he's even going up higher than I thought.
Speaker 3: So I'm all the way out on tooton now, which
Speaker 3: is too bad. Lo quent to Ellen, Yeah, why not, right,
Speaker 3: because there's so few running backs that have a legitimate
Speaker 3: shot at this much of the pie going that late.
Speaker 3: I think there's a couple of guys you could maybe
Speaker 3: make an argument for around his area. But I'll take
Speaker 3: some shots. Why not let me load up on wide
Speaker 3: receivers towards the middle rounds and I'll scrape together some
Speaker 3: more running backs than the late part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guy like George Laani kind of comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Also that look into Allen. Okay, we're talking very much endgame,
Speaker 1: but if you're doing the best ball thing or the
Speaker 1: roto thing right now, those guys are bodies, and they're
Speaker 1: already kind of projectable.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of projectible volume, but it's some
Speaker 1: projectible volume. And I think everyone is so eager to
Speaker 1: draft these sixth and seventh round running backs that very
Speaker 1: often are zeros and like a like a hard zero,
Speaker 1: like they didn't see the field. They don't actually make
Speaker 1: the team sometimes, where a guy like lucn Awen is
Speaker 1: already shown that he can earn work in that offense.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, say the Rodriguez thing really
Speaker 1: goes poorly. You mentioned mixing, so it's not out of
Speaker 1: the realm where it was an ankle injury to worry.
Speaker 1: He's fine, it'll be back week one, don't worry, be
Speaker 1: back out. Thea's all week three, Week five, week seven,
Speaker 1: he may never play again. More like what's going on here?
Speaker 1: It's crazy?
Speaker 2: How right? Oh?
Speaker 1: That escalated quickly, but de things happen. That's why I
Speaker 1: tryed to invite any injuries if they're going on right now.
Speaker 1: If Rodriguez does continue to drop, then I and he
Speaker 1: comes back and please, then yeah, I might scoop him
Speaker 1: at the end game.
Speaker 2: All right, Jake goes to.
Speaker 1: A little lightning round doctor play I was gonna play
Speaker 1: doctor or whatever. I already made that joke, so again.
Speaker 1: The one thing I don't want to do is pretend
Speaker 1: to be a Yeah, I don't want to pretend him whoo.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to come off like I
Speaker 1: understand much, if anything, about medicine. But I have been
Speaker 1: playing fantasy for a long time. We have a list
Speaker 1: of players that would could and should have fantasy impact,
Speaker 1: but they had season ending injuries. So each one is
Speaker 1: going to be different than the other one. I have
Speaker 1: found I feel comfortable ignoring, not say ignoring, but I
Speaker 1: don't want any part of the late season injuries, right
Speaker 1: if they happened late the recovery time. I worry about setbacks.
Speaker 1: We've already had a couple of those. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just kind of put that out there. First Off, Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: he's getting a ton of love in the industry streets
Speaker 1: right now. You know, ADP ninety is pretty much the
Speaker 1: cheapest you've ever been able to get him. But he
Speaker 1: got hurt week fifteen, that's mid December to A and LCL.
Speaker 2: I mean the reports.
Speaker 1: He's working out seven hours a day and he's ahead
Speaker 1: of schedule. Not like he was running much. But the
Speaker 1: running he did do was effective, meaning when Mahomes ran,
Speaker 1: he made it to the marker, extended to drive, very efficient,
Speaker 1: part of why his.
Speaker 2: EPA stuff is so great.
Speaker 1: I'm off Mahomes. I think they've telegraphed they don't really
Speaker 1: want him running. Plus, I'm worried, I think, as I
Speaker 1: should be when they brought in ken Walker. So I
Speaker 1: think I'm out Mahomes at the price is way too
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks all going at the same time. He's going
Speaker 1: right next to Jackson Dirt. I'd rather have Dirt, who's
Speaker 1: running and for all intensive purposes is healthy.
Speaker 2: What do you think about.
Speaker 3: Mahomes that's so interesting take. I think the exact opposite
Speaker 3: approach on this player. I don't know that we've ever
Speaker 3: been so divided on a player as Patrick Mahomes. We
Speaker 3: should also mention very briefly, he just became the NFL's
Speaker 3: first half a billion dollar player with that contract that
Speaker 3: they gave him, so clearly they are comfortable with their investment.
Speaker 3: And obviously we didn't expect this to be a long
Speaker 3: term injury regardless. I remember Mahomes say that he's been
Speaker 3: practicing with a brace on his left knee and something about,
Speaker 3: you know, I wore a brace in college and it's
Speaker 3: on the same knee and it's not too different. Obviously,
Speaker 3: we want him to be unencumbered by the injury. For
Speaker 3: what you said about his rushing ability, it's not like
Speaker 3: he's Lamar Jackson and you're gonna get nine hundred rushing
Speaker 3: yards out of him in a season. But even his
Speaker 3: ability to scramble, extend plays, that sort of thing very
Speaker 3: important for him. But you also said this is the
Speaker 3: cheapest we've ever been able to get Patrick Mahomes, and
Speaker 3: I feel like I've been saying this so much this offseason,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna keep saying it because Mahomes used to
Speaker 3: be this locked in top five fantasy quarterback and then
Speaker 3: his decline coincided perfectly with Eric Bienemy leaving as offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator and Matt Naggy coming in. Matt Naggy will do
Speaker 3: that to a quarterback. He will cause them to slide,
Speaker 3: especially for fantasy purposes. But the enemy is back, and
Speaker 3: maybe Mahomes isn't as hungry as he used to be
Speaker 3: as a young buck out there now that he's got paid.
Speaker 3: But I'm willing to be wrong and take him as
Speaker 3: late as he's going, acknowledging that maybe I'll scoop up
Speaker 3: a really late quarterback for those first couple weeks, so
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I have to play Mahomes right away,
Speaker 3: so we can kind of gauge it. But I'd rather
Speaker 3: have him over Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart. The vibes are
Speaker 3: bad with the Giants. He's injury I don't want to
Speaker 3: say injury prone, but he's certainly inviting injuries than the
Speaker 3: average quarterback does. So I think I'm going Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I could buy all that because
Speaker 1: I'm in the farious cheapskate and he's cheap, so I
Speaker 1: get it. If Mahomes was going up near those top
Speaker 1: two or three qbs, then I'd be a hard out.
Speaker 1: I've just pivoted towards the more running quarterbacks. That's always
Speaker 1: how I've built again, having best ball brain on right now,
Speaker 1: my QB two or QB three. I want guys that
Speaker 1: can run. In redraft, you may have me. I may
Speaker 1: want Mahomes over a guy like Dart, who really feels
Speaker 1: very erratic and for me kind of built for best ball,
Speaker 1: where we want all the spike weeks. We don't want
Speaker 1: any of the floor weeks. Best ball affords you that
Speaker 1: luxury where in redraft you could see Mahomes just consistently
Speaker 1: doing his thing. I'm looking last year. I don't even
Speaker 1: realize how great he was. You know, from week was
Speaker 1: it four through nine? He had five straight top five
Speaker 1: QB weeks. So it's still in there. No one understands
Speaker 1: a game better. I think I just worried that they
Speaker 1: might be funneling it more through. But I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: start taking shots at Patrick Mahomes again if he's cheap.
Speaker 1: Next up, another quarterback. This is bow Knicks ADP. One
Speaker 1: oh five. He got hurt even later. That happened right
Speaker 1: unlike the second to last play or whatever that AFC
Speaker 1: Divisional round game. He fractured his right angle ankle. He
Speaker 1: had surgery with a follow up procedure in April. That's
Speaker 1: the thing that kind of worries me. They're still saying
Speaker 1: he's considered ahead of schedule and Week one looks likely.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to take him over starting quarterbacks
Speaker 1: like Matthew Stafford is going right there, Jared Goff, even
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, Jordan Love, Tyler Shuck, all guys I'd probably
Speaker 1: rather have than bow Knicks, who, again, we need him
Speaker 1: to run. What is that going to be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: We haven't seen him do much of anything yet. What
Speaker 1: do you think about bow Knicks?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I get why he's going so much
Speaker 3: later than Mahomes, because the injury happened later, and because
Speaker 3: he needs his mobility much more than Patrick Mahomes to
Speaker 3: be fantasy relevant. He's only played two years. In those years. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he finished his QB seven, which is great back to
Speaker 3: back years. That's amazing. He added Jalen Waddle to his arsenal.
Speaker 3: That's all good stuff. But here's a fun fact, John,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this. I didn't until today.
Speaker 3: Bo Nix is one of only thirteen quarterbacks in NFL
Speaker 3: history to throw the ball six hundred plus times in
Speaker 3: a season without reaching four thousand passing yards. That's bad
Speaker 3: rare air for a guy like him to be in
Speaker 3: if he gets his mobility zapped away from him this year.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I like Wattle helping him out, but it's
Speaker 3: not gonna help him be a top ten QB if
Speaker 3: he has to try to stand in the pocket or
Speaker 3: if he's really encumbered. And I know Sean Payton said
Speaker 3: he came out. There's not gonna be any hiccups. Once
Speaker 3: training camp starts, you decide for yourself how much you
Speaker 3: want to trust Shundon. I trust him about as far
Speaker 3: as I can block him across the NFL field. And
Speaker 3: you might not know this listeners, although you probably do
Speaker 3: because my voice gives away. I'm a pretty slight guy.
Speaker 3: So it's not gonna go far. So I'm out on
Speaker 3: Bonix probably entirely, unless we get some crazy good, you know,
Speaker 3: PR coverage coming up here in the next few months.
Speaker 2: Trust him as far as you could push him off
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 1: Right now, you are right about the QB price like
Speaker 1: he is going much later than Mahomes. But it is
Speaker 1: worth noting for anybody that maybe hasn't done fifty. Some
Speaker 1: are drafts like I have. I have never seen such
Speaker 1: consolidation for QB pricing. Josh Allen is an anomaly. He
Speaker 1: goes way up top. Then you get Lamar and it's
Speaker 1: been late for him. But Lamar in like the mid
Speaker 1: to late fifties, and then come pick sixty five. It
Speaker 1: just begins. I think I counted eighteen quarterbacks have a
Speaker 1: ADP between sixty five and like one to oh five,
Speaker 1: So in a forty pickspan, more than one out of
Speaker 1: every three picks is a QB for like three or
Speaker 1: four rounds in a row. So it just worth if
Speaker 1: anybody is kind of doing some preseason work, maybe thinking
Speaker 1: about doing basketball stuff, be ready. You have to really
Speaker 1: choose between these guys. You really have to pick a pair, right,
Speaker 1: You're picking a guy you like in the sixties and seventies,
Speaker 1: then maybe one more that you like in that ninety
Speaker 1: or one hundred range because the cover really empties out
Speaker 1: very fast.
Speaker 2: Worth noting. If you do get.
Speaker 1: Caught waiting really late, you might want Daniel Jones our
Speaker 1: next quarterback EDP one forty five. He also got hurt
Speaker 1: in late in the season. That was December first week,
Speaker 1: torn right achilles. Those can be really bad. We've also
Speaker 1: seen that you know, sap running in power The next season,
Speaker 1: he's doing seven on seven drills, which is encouraging, but
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure I'm trusting anything I'm seeing from DJ.
Speaker 1: Also worth noting the team's success was so directly correlated
Speaker 1: to him. I didn't think I'd ever be saying that
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They were breaking all King differential records, all the EPA records, everything.
Speaker 2: They were a wagon. And then he goes away and Jonathan.
Speaker 1: Taylor, who was arcing for like greatest fantasy season ever,
Speaker 1: like the smash pick you needed all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: was costing people playoff matchups. So what do you think
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones? And then, more specifically, because he's going
Speaker 1: late enough that we can make a cost argument, how
Speaker 1: do you think it impacts the rest of the Colts.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm really thinking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we can't blame the Colts too much
Speaker 3: when their reserve option was a guy who'd been coaching
Speaker 3: high school football for like the last four seasons. Philip
Speaker 3: Rivers comes off off the bench, off the bench, and
Speaker 3: I was crazy from the distant pass to come and
Speaker 3: try to save the season. So I'm not gonna really
Speaker 3: hold it against any of the pass catchers on this
Speaker 3: team if they have to go out there without Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3: Riley Leonard for all intents and purposes, I still think
Speaker 3: is a decent backup option if they decide to ride
Speaker 3: with him. We don't know if it will be him
Speaker 3: or whatever Gardener Minshew, but I do think Daniel Jones
Speaker 3: is gonna be a tough sell. We don't know how
Speaker 3: quarterbacks are really affected by ACL stuff that are of
Speaker 3: his caliber, because the last few ones it's like Aaron
Speaker 3: Rodgers towards ACL. But he was on a new team
Speaker 3: and on the verge of ten thousand years old. We
Speaker 3: don't know that his exact follow up season is going
Speaker 3: to translate to a guy like Daniel Jones. Necessarily. This
Speaker 3: is where our lack of doctoring really shows. Probably, But
Speaker 3: I do think Daniel Jones, if he's even not mobile,
Speaker 3: he's a good enough passer, as he showed last year that,
Speaker 3: like we were just talking about Josh Downs, I think
Speaker 3: he's still gonna be fine, Tyler Warren, He's still gonna
Speaker 3: be fine. So I'm not actually impacting the rest of
Speaker 3: the cast because of this injury. It's just a matter
Speaker 3: of do I even want to dare try Daniel Jones
Speaker 3: with the last pick of my draft, you know, because
Speaker 3: you can decide between him and a guy like Geno Smith.
Speaker 3: Basically at this point, I'd rather at least take the
Speaker 3: upshot of Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: I think that last point is a good one. I'm
Speaker 1: also glad you mentioned the downs and warrant thing. They
Speaker 1: are two players. I don't want to see that QB proof,
Speaker 1: but those style of player can overcome quarterback quality because
Speaker 1: a lot of it is getting open near the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and canting kind of lay up targets, high
Speaker 1: probability targets. I think they're both really skilled and have
Speaker 1: that ability to do so. If and when Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: comes back, I think you're getting an immediate I don't know,
Speaker 1: a wide receiver two in downs and definitely a tight
Speaker 1: end one. I think you're getting a tight end one
Speaker 1: regardless of Warren. I think you're getting a high end
Speaker 1: tight end one with Jones back. So worth it with
Speaker 1: those guys, I think to you know, still be buying
Speaker 1: in even with question marks. As far as Jones himself, again,
Speaker 1: it's laid enough if it fits the build. I think
Speaker 1: you do it, Jake. Of course we ran on longer
Speaker 1: than I wanted to. I don't know if we're going
Speaker 1: to make it. Everybody, let me shuffle some papers, let's
Speaker 1: take it. Let me take a quick breath. I want
Speaker 1: to get into some running backs. And if this takes
Speaker 1: too long, because I want to give everything the attention
Speaker 1: that deserves, maybe we'll just break this episode into two
Speaker 1: and do the pass catchers next time around. With whatever
Speaker 1: news and no so ho going. We need to take
Speaker 1: a quick broth. I got right back to you, all right, Jakes,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for that. I know I didn't
Speaker 1: have enough time to do any medical studying, but we
Speaker 1: can't talk about some running backs, right. The lack of
Speaker 1: medical training is really kind of showing through today.
Speaker 2: So let's do the.
Speaker 1: Running backs again. I want to give the attention here
Speaker 1: because this stuff matters, right, Chaos is a ladder, and
Speaker 1: these opportunities and these players are going to be impactful
Speaker 1: one way or another. Right, either they hit the ground
Speaker 1: running they're really good. We wanted them, or in a
Speaker 1: case like cam Scatabo, let's say this goes wrong. You're
Speaker 1: paying a top forty five overall pick and it could
Speaker 1: really hurt you, right, so impact kind of goes both ways.
Speaker 1: Scatabo was hurt in week eight, so this is quite
Speaker 1: a bit earlier than some of the other ones. That
Speaker 1: two months can make a big difference. That was verse Philly.
Speaker 1: He disslocated his ankle. It was a compound fracture, a
Speaker 1: deltoid ligament tear, not that I know what that is now.
Speaker 1: He had emergency surgery, which is like both good and bad, right,
Speaker 1: we want these procedures immediately. The worst thing I think
Speaker 1: is when teams and players try and heal things with
Speaker 1: rest only to find out, oh, that didn't work.
Speaker 2: Surgery is a good thing.
Speaker 1: He showed up to all voluntary workouts. He has a
Speaker 1: chance at week one. They're saying unlikely to be one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. We know Scatabo, and this is the guy
Speaker 1: you want in fantasy catches the ball, all the end
Speaker 1: zone work, and best friends with the quarterback. The two
Speaker 1: of them together are like a you know, line share
Speaker 1: of all the yard of and all the fantasy points.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Scatabo.
Speaker 1: He's a guy I had been drafting with my best
Speaker 1: ball brain because I think we saw Tyrone Tracy get
Speaker 1: you know the full workload, so I think those two
Speaker 1: guys are fairly priced as a tandem. Talk to me
Speaker 1: about the giants, scatabo you think about Big.
Speaker 3: Blue, Well, John, I actually did take my MCATs over
Speaker 3: the break, so I've come back with much more knowledge
Speaker 3: now and I'm ready to break this down. Yes, and
Speaker 3: here's what I've discovered with Cam Scataboo. His injury was
Speaker 3: gross and gnarly. It was one of the worst injury
Speaker 3: that we've seen in the last couple of years. I mean,
Speaker 3: I appreciate that they want to get him as involved
Speaker 3: as possible. I appreciate that he wants to be as
Speaker 3: involved as possible, but the dude still runs like the freakin'
Speaker 3: Juggernaut from X Men first, and I can't imagine he's
Speaker 3: necessarily putting his health as priority number one. Uh So
Speaker 3: I'm still he's doing backflips, and of course he's doing backflips,
Speaker 3: and they joked.
Speaker 1: They were like, okay, Harball was like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: let's it's good to see the mobility, but let's cut
Speaker 1: back on the gymnastics. Sorry to cut you off, but
Speaker 1: you mentioned it could I couldn't believe it when I
Speaker 1: saw that.
Speaker 3: If he backflips his way into another injury, I unfortunately
Speaker 3: wouldn't all be that surprised by it, which is the
Speaker 3: thing that scares me about drafting a guy like Cam'scattaboo
Speaker 3: is he's going so high, and yes, the expectation can
Speaker 3: be he's going to be seventy percent of the backfield
Speaker 3: or maybe even he's going to be fifty percent of
Speaker 3: the team production at this point if Malik Neighbors has
Speaker 3: worse issues, which we'll discuss later, but I I'm still
Speaker 3: just the only Giant that I'm really comfortable drafting right
Speaker 3: now truly is Isaiah Likely and Tyrone Tracy, as you
Speaker 3: mentioned very late, because the possibility of injuries so high.
Speaker 3: With Skataboo, he's also one of those pieces obviously, along
Speaker 3: with Jackson Dart who has his own injury concerns, and
Speaker 3: Milig Neighbors, who has his own injury concerns, they feel
Speaker 3: like a team one injury away from looking like the
Speaker 3: you know, fricking Miami Dolphins this year. So I'm pretty nervous.
Speaker 3: I'm taking Isaiah Likely and I'm just staying away pretty
Speaker 3: much from the rest of his crew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would definitely say not overloading on giants is
Speaker 1: a good idea, though, I have to be honest.
Speaker 2: Transparency is kind of my thing.
Speaker 1: I have lots of giants spread out, right, so I
Speaker 1: have some Scatabo and Tracy tandems. But I'm trying not
Speaker 1: to do that with Dart and Likely. I'm with you, Unlikely.
Speaker 1: Those are teams that I like to have Jackson Dart
Speaker 1: when I have a running quarterback, especially when I could
Speaker 1: get a little bit later, I like to pay them
Speaker 1: with the tight ends. I was talking about Ulsage and
Speaker 1: Malik Willis also. I think that's a cool kind of
Speaker 1: late pairing. That's like a team move version of the Giants,
Speaker 1: which maybe says something about either of them.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure, but it's not good whatever it says.
Speaker 1: See, I think Scatibo is a bit of a risk.
Speaker 1: I think you should be worried. I think I like
Speaker 1: him more in redraft right, if he's healthy. You want
Speaker 1: that week one stuff. We're all gonna be dealing with
Speaker 1: injuries and figuring out waiver stuff as we go. I
Speaker 1: want the guy that could get me off to a
Speaker 1: great start. I mean, the type of usage he was
Speaker 1: getting is hard to find, especially that part of the
Speaker 1: draft board, though there is another player and he's going
Speaker 1: around later. He's the next on our injury board here.
Speaker 1: It's Quinn Shawn Jenkins for Cleveland, who really impressed me
Speaker 1: given the late start and lack of preparation last year.
Speaker 1: He got hurt in late December Week sixteen versus Buffalo.
Speaker 2: It was nasty.
Speaker 1: Also dislocated right ankle and a fractured fibula. I couldn't believe.
Speaker 1: I was watching videos of him right now. He looks awesome.
Speaker 1: They're over the moon for him and his prospects. What's
Speaker 1: the problem. One team's live players, lie Jake, but also
Speaker 1: it's the ecosystem of the Browns.
Speaker 2: This is ADP fifty.
Speaker 1: Five, which, if you think you're getting one hundred percent Judkins,
Speaker 1: I think is good. My worry is how good are
Speaker 1: they gonna be? And his pass game work has been
Speaker 1: threatened by Samson, So given the late time of the
Speaker 1: injury with Judkins, and I think, like I mentioned, bad environment,
Speaker 1: with the threat of the backup losing some passwork, I
Speaker 1: think I'm out on Judkins.
Speaker 2: I think I'm letting other people go that way. What
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, if literally everything goes perfectly for him, then I'm
Speaker 3: comfortable at his ADP, but I'm still not even necessarily
Speaker 3: over the moon at his ADP. So yeah, that to
Speaker 3: me just says back off. And I know that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's team lying offseason, it's coach speaks season. They're
Speaker 3: gonna say he's confident and explosive and ahead of a schedule,
Speaker 3: because what are you supposed to say about your star
Speaker 3: running back? And I know that supposedly his injury was
Speaker 3: higher up on the ankle, so it was like a
Speaker 3: best case scenario for him. I think best case scenario
Speaker 3: is that he actually turns into a pass catching running back,
Speaker 3: which I don't think is on the table because you
Speaker 3: mentioned Dylan Sampson still there. And best case scenario would
Speaker 3: be he's in an offense that has a lot of
Speaker 3: scoring potential, which I just don't see with this year's
Speaker 3: version of the Brown. So if he's one hundred percent
Speaker 3: good to go and there's no setbacks, fine, But like you,
Speaker 3: I will probably just bypass that position around where he's
Speaker 3: being drafted and pivot to something else.
Speaker 1: So Jokins is going right next to Daring Price, who
Speaker 1: I'm over the moon for, and I will not be
Speaker 1: fielding any you know, one v one questions on him,
Speaker 1: because to me, that's already a given. What the answer is,
Speaker 1: I do have another injured player. He's not on our
Speaker 1: list because he didn't finish the year injured.
Speaker 2: Where are you? How about Bucky Irvin.
Speaker 1: This is a decision lots of people have to make,
Speaker 1: and the answer could be neither. That's my answer, not
Speaker 1: to bury with the lead Bucky Irvin v. Quinchin Pupkins
Speaker 1: at the same ADP.
Speaker 3: Jake, Yeah, I wonder if we're overreacting a bit too
Speaker 3: much to Bucky Irving.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I've been worried about Bucky Irving and so I understand
Speaker 3: and understood his initial decline in ADP. I just wonder
Speaker 3: that we're over correcting now because if he's going this
Speaker 3: far down and we know that he is a good
Speaker 3: pass catcher, obviously Kenny Gainwell is there, and we've talked
Speaker 3: a lot about Kenny Gainwell being somebody to target later
Speaker 3: in drafts because he's an improvement I think over a
Speaker 3: shod white. But if Bucky does look like he did
Speaker 3: a year and a half ago, I think we're gonna
Speaker 3: feel a little foolish. So based on upside, I would
Speaker 3: much rather have Bucky Irving than Quinn Shod Judkins. I
Speaker 3: don't know that I'm gonna trip over myself to click
Speaker 3: draft on him, but if he keeps slipping down even
Speaker 3: a little bit more, I might have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was really big at the Bucky the first year.
Speaker 1: That was a hit king back for the Encore. That
Speaker 1: didn't work out. The injury kind of lingered. I ended
Speaker 1: up getting stung, And now this year the points they
Speaker 1: make are very good. Hard not to worry about gainwell
Speaker 1: and then Talker is back there. But I would agree
Speaker 1: a one hundred percent Bucky Irving wins that the job.
Speaker 1: I don't know one's getting one hundred percent of carries right.
Speaker 1: Those days are over, but yeah, I think he could
Speaker 1: still be great with a price that's moving down. Right,
Speaker 1: That's when my antenna starts to pop. So it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see. But I think we're in agreement. Neither
Speaker 1: of us are going to end up with a lot
Speaker 1: of Judkins at cost too many red flags, or we
Speaker 1: got two more running backs. I want to get through
Speaker 1: them both. And again we'll give the pass catchers their
Speaker 1: due next week because this is really good stuff, where
Speaker 1: you know, talking about a lot of process stuff, pulling
Speaker 1: the curtain on what we think about these players and
Speaker 1: then all the subsequent stuff. Next up is Jonathan Brooks,
Speaker 1: who I've been lucky enough to completely avoid because I'm
Speaker 1: kind of a curmudgeon when it comes to injuries. The
Speaker 1: second I hear guys injured right now, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: Brooks is not injured right now now. He did retear
Speaker 1: a right ACL in December, but it was of twenty four, right,
Speaker 1: so we haven't seen him. He's had the time. They
Speaker 1: are just gushing over him right now. I mean not
Speaker 1: only are they gushing over him right now, they've telegraphed
Speaker 1: it with the roster move right allowing ric o'dowdell, who
Speaker 1: was gosh, Barry Sanders. You know, when Walter Peton rolled
Speaker 1: into one for like a three week stretch last year,
Speaker 1: they moved on from him with with Truba Hubbard. He's
Speaker 1: still there. But the way they're talking about Brooks is
Speaker 1: man he could maybe be a one A and again,
Speaker 1: pricing is really tough. He's at pick one oh eight.
Speaker 1: He's very polarizing player. I feel like people are either
Speaker 1: way on it, in on him, or all the way out.
Speaker 1: Where do you stand on Jonathan Brooks for the Panthers.
Speaker 3: Jonathan with two o's Brooks is that how Jonathan is
Speaker 3: always spelled by the way I thought there was it
Speaker 3: was a thha N, not thh o N. And I
Speaker 3: can't stop looking at it.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I didn't notice that till just now,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I was gonna say, I think you
Speaker 1: have a typo.
Speaker 2: It's j O N. I thought that's where you were
Speaker 2: placing the second. Oh you don't, No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you're right. I've never seen that.
Speaker 3: Now I'll never draft him. I can't even understand the
Speaker 3: concept of how his name spelled. I can't believe in
Speaker 3: him for my fantasy team. No, I do think that
Speaker 3: there's obvious risk. He's a running back coming off of
Speaker 3: consecutive torn acls, and remember how long it took for
Speaker 3: Javonte Williams to get back to his old self after
Speaker 3: just one ACL tear. But the better news for Brooks
Speaker 3: is that he's so young. He's still only twenty two
Speaker 3: years old, so maybe his recovery timeline looks a lot
Speaker 3: faster than a guy that's even three years You know
Speaker 3: that seat.
Speaker 2: Well, he's had ample time at this point.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, he's he's had tons of time, and if
Speaker 3: he's not out there sort of beleaguering the injury further,
Speaker 3: like he's not being asked to run through the injury
Speaker 3: in games, which could probably be a set pack for
Speaker 3: a lot of guys. Then the freshness probably does account
Speaker 3: for something, John, and I will say, Rico Daldo you
Speaker 3: mentioned he outpaced Toba Hubbard last year. Granted part of
Speaker 3: that was because of Hubbard's own calf injury that flared up,
Speaker 3: but the team showed confidence in Brooks. You don't let
Speaker 3: Rico Daudo walk because it's not like he was gonna
Speaker 3: have to get a massive payday. You could afford to
Speaker 3: keep both chubbered chubbered Hubbard.
Speaker 2: And that's a good one. I actually like that we should.
Speaker 3: Just cut through it and call him chubbered from here
Speaker 3: on out. I think save space, save you know, vowels.
Speaker 3: In any case, I think that Brooks has the vote
Speaker 3: of confidence. And at this range, who has this kind
Speaker 3: of upside around where he's being drafted. Not a ton
Speaker 3: of guys, So I get the appeal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the name of the game. In the triple
Speaker 1: digit picks, Remember most of these guys are going to
Speaker 1: get dropped or hurt before the first month of play's over.
Speaker 1: So if you have a chance at player to check
Speaker 1: the box is to be the big breakout. I think
Speaker 1: Brooks is that I don't know if it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm making a week one,
Speaker 1: but that is the type of play that could hit,
Speaker 1: so I depending on my build.
Speaker 2: That's where I've been. Let's do this last player really quick.
Speaker 1: It's Zach Charbonnay on the Seahawks ADP one sixty five.
Speaker 1: I believe he's gonna start moving up now. He tore
Speaker 1: on ACL in January in the wild card game. That's
Speaker 1: part of why I've been so high on Price. I
Speaker 1: normally give twelve months for recovery. Is kind of what
Speaker 1: we were mentioning why I'm into the early injuries. I
Speaker 1: want the twelve month recovery time to land in the
Speaker 1: off season so there's no pressure to return to early.
Speaker 1: I always feel like everybody, the player, the staff, the coaches,
Speaker 1: everybody has a vested interest in getting these guys on
Speaker 1: the field. They don't know better, you know. They they
Speaker 1: want to win, they want to play, and I worry.
Speaker 1: So when I see the timeline, that's what I'm into.
Speaker 1: This is the opposite. This feels totally rushed. I don't
Speaker 1: know how we could get this guy back. He had
Speaker 1: surgery in late February. Nine month recovery usually minimum that's October,
Speaker 1: November or and now they're like they're trying to talk about
Speaker 1: having him available early. There was a mention of week
Speaker 1: one today. Yeah, right, not gonna happen. So I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that people run with that week one narrative and it
Speaker 1: hopefully will knock price down around where I'll be there
Speaker 1: to scoop him up on one hundred percent of teams.
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't like sharbon Ay. I just
Speaker 1: think this is putting the cart before the horse way.
Speaker 1: Too many things can go wrong, and you risk the
Speaker 1: reaggravation if you rush back too fast. So I'm out
Speaker 1: on Sharves even at pick one sixty five.
Speaker 2: I'd rather have Halani one v one right now. Where
Speaker 2: are you on, Charboney? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean I mentioned Devonte Williams and his like two
Speaker 3: year process to looking as good or close to as
Speaker 3: good as he did initially. CHARBERTA doesn't have even like
Speaker 3: you said a full year to get back to his
Speaker 3: old self, and let me remind you his old self
Speaker 3: was not anything fantas astic for your fantasy teams. A
Speaker 3: healthy Charbone never finished higher than RB twenty nine in
Speaker 3: PPR points per game. Yeah, they let Kenneth Walker go
Speaker 3: in free agency, but they spent the first round pick
Speaker 3: on Jendarian Price. So unless Price just completely winds up
Speaker 3: an unexpected bust, they're not gonna give Charbonet the workload
Speaker 3: that you want to be this invested in a guy.
Speaker 3: So yeah, give me Price, give me Halani, give me
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Wilson if you want to just take a contrarian
Speaker 3: shot later on in your drafts. But there's no chance
Speaker 3: that I'm doing anything with Charbonet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Well, an Emmanuel Wilson mentioned means it's time to get
Speaker 1: out of here, mister Jake.
Speaker 2: You know what. I'm glad that we took the time. Though.
Speaker 1: We will sever the back end of the outline and
Speaker 1: we'll go back to it next week with pass catches
Speaker 1: and whatever news and olds come up. Thanks so much
Speaker 1: everybody for hanging along with us. Enjoy your weekend. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening to Fantasy Football Weekly and we'll see you soon.
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