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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. You

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Speaker 1: were up close and personal with the rap beasts because

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Speaker 1: I and my nineteen eighty seven we had an intermeal

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Speaker 1: basketball team and the name of my team was the

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Speaker 1: Juice Crew All Stars featuring Oh my Goodness. I wish

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Speaker 1: mister Magic was allowed to hear that man, and I

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Speaker 1: would try I would try to find I would try

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Speaker 1: to find that shirt because that was the day. But

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Speaker 1: Juice Crew All Stars and and I go when I

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Speaker 1: go back and look, bro y'all were loaded, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Cougie Rap, j Polo.

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Speaker 1: Yourself, Uhismark Bismark Yes, yeah, glamorous that Molly Mack Master

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Speaker 1: Ace Craig g Yeah, tragedy Yeah, how y'all?

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Speaker 2: How did all y'all come together?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I would, I would because that kind

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Speaker 1: of where you got your start, right, Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: credit that to fly Tie and Marli mal Okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: did you realize that you were a part of something special?

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Speaker 2: Then? Absolutely you did you knew it? Well?

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Speaker 1: I mean, mister Magic was the official voice of hip

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Speaker 1: hop radio, Okay, you know, like he's the person that

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Speaker 1: broke hip hop records and I'm part of his crew, right,

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Speaker 1: so I don't have to wait outside BLS.

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Speaker 2: He is. Yeah, you know, just a new joint.

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Speaker 1: I'm part of the grow, right, you know what I'm saying, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I knew I was part of something special lyricists.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned in nineteen eighty six, rock him thinking of

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Speaker 1: a master playing but it ain't nothing but sign my hand.

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Speaker 1: So I that song that took rap to another level

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Speaker 1: because at that point in time, nobody had ever really

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Speaker 1: sounded like him. I mean, he was very methodical. You

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Speaker 1: could hear every every word he said. You could hear it.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't no this now came.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think that what rock Kim did was brought lyricism

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Speaker 1: back into the game because you know, it's like it

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Speaker 1: was to me, the most important m see ever is

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Speaker 1: Melly Mel. Okay, you know, because I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Cats in the seventies was basically trying to either sound

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Speaker 1: like DJ Hollywood, Eddie Cheaper A love Buck Starsky, and

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Speaker 1: Mellie Mel is the one that presented lyricism. He started

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Speaker 1: lyricism in the game with the message no No long

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Speaker 1: before that. Yeah, and it was like, you know, when

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Speaker 1: he did that, I think it made people start really

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Speaker 1: paying more attention to the MC because back then it

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Speaker 1: was really all about the DJ Flash Africa, bambody, yep,

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Speaker 1: who heard you know breakout? It was about the DJ.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think Mellie Mel gave the MC an identity because

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Speaker 1: he put lyricism in it, you know, so it's like

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Speaker 1: he he created something that that that gave us an identity.

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Speaker 1: But then as we started making records at seventy nine

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Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, the records had more of a

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Speaker 1: party feel, so the focus wasn't really on the lyricism.

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Speaker 1: And then like when rock Kim come in eighty six,

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Speaker 1: he brought it back to that. Yes, you know, but

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Speaker 1: he felt that you told you rapped about a song

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Speaker 1: and he's, I see leaders in that laugh, and he

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Speaker 1: thought you was taking a shot atty say what yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: He thought you were subliminately dissing him in a song

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Speaker 1: by saying I see leaders in that laugh.

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Speaker 2: Nah. What happened was he what was the line? He

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Speaker 1: Word to Daddy? It was a di song. No no, no,

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Speaker 1: he had I think follow follow the Leader. He had

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Speaker 1: a song called follow Leader, and he said word to Daddy. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: I took it as a this, you know. So I

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Speaker 1: did write, you know, a line. But what happened was

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Speaker 1: one night because you got to say it. Eric be

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Speaker 1: Brother was my road manager, so like me and Eric,

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Speaker 1: you know, was solid.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: So this girl got in the car one night and

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Speaker 1: she gave me a photo and the photo said, did Kane,

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Speaker 1: I want to set it off and get r a

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Speaker 1: w Ain't no half stepping because.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna break your wrath in half.

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Speaker 1: So when I saw it, because at the same time

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Speaker 1: had a song called break the Raft in Half.

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Speaker 2: Just in me. Oh okay, So.

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Speaker 1: I gave a picture of that Eric Brother and he's like, yo,

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Speaker 2: And she like, oh, yeah, Eric got this here song.

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Speaker 1: I mean Eric and Rock Kim got this song called

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Speaker 1: break the Raft in Half trying to diss you.

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Speaker 2: I heard it and he's like, you heard it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He played it for me on Jamaica Avenue and I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting here crying, laughing. I'm crying laughing, like and every

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Speaker 1: time I'm looking at Eric brother aunt, you know, we

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Speaker 2: So finally the girl she looks at Aunt.

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Speaker 1: She's like, yo, why he keep looking at you and laughing,

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Speaker 1: saying what you work with Eric or something?

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Speaker 2: And Aunt was like, no, I live with him. That's

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Speaker 1: And she said, well, you know how niggas talk. So

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Speaker 1: Aunt was like, yo, it's going too far. Y'all need

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Speaker 1: to talk. When you talked to him, I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't care. So he called Rock Kim put him on

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Speaker 1: the phone and but Rock Kim, see you telling me

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Speaker 1: new stuff. I never he never mentioned that line when

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Speaker 1: when I said rap soloist, you don't want none of this.

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Speaker 2: I want to send it off.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, no, no, no, I'm saying that

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Speaker 1: I'm a rap soloist. Competition, don't want none of this, right,

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Speaker 1: because he had a song where he said and you

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Speaker 1: know that I'm the soloist. So I was clamming it

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Speaker 1: up like nah nah, I said, I'm the rap soloist, competition,

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Speaker 1: don't want none of this. Anybody that ram alone is

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Speaker 1: a rap soloist, right, And he was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about anybody in particular. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: saying I'm rapped total. No. Well, when I'm playing competition, right,

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Speaker 1: whoever can get it right? You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. But you you were saying

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Speaker 1: I was not specifically talking about you, Rocky. I was

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Speaker 1: from me, right, I was calling myself a rap solo right,

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Speaker 1: not saying that you are rap soloist.

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Speaker 2: You don't want none of this.

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Speaker 1: So he said okay, And I'm like, well, what about

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Speaker 1: this word to daddy? Indeed, like that sounds I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm big daddy Kane. Yeah, that's not like you're coming from.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, nah, you know other cats say,

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Speaker 1: word to daddy. That's like, you know, just that's that's

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Speaker 2: I was inter it. Ever since then, we've been cool.

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Speaker 2: Why can't guys do that today? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know you see how you just got to

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Speaker 1: hey picking up the phone, because everybody know everybody. If

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Speaker 1: I don't know you personally, I know your manager, I

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Speaker 1: know somebody close to you, and then I can pick

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Speaker 1: up the phone and say, man, look here, man, this

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous. Man. Let's let let's talk this thing. Hey, bro,

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Speaker 2: check this out. Man.

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Speaker 1: Well that was a fortunate situation because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, me and Eric was cool, right, and his

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Speaker 2: So his brother, you know, orchestrated it where like, you know,

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Speaker 2: let me get him.

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Speaker 1: That could have a lot of different ways had that

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Speaker 1: not been the case, okay, because you probably would have responded.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah I did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I had the line, but you know,

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Speaker 1: once we talked, I took it out and he told

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Speaker 1: me that he had some stuff that you know, he

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Speaker 1: took out.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we was good. Right.

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Speaker 1: This mixed probably fifty to fifty beefts this Are they good?

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Speaker 1: Are they bad for rat? I think that they're bad

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Speaker 1: for careers. I think they're good for MC's. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm a battle rapper, so I love you know, you

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Speaker 1: love that one on one. You love to back your

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Speaker 1: fad because it keeps you on your toes. Oh he said, what.

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: It keeps as an MC keep you on your toes

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Speaker 1: career wise. It can be career ending and it and

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Speaker 1: it can cause someone's death or you know, someone seriously

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Speaker 1: getting hurt because the fans can take it too far.

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Speaker 1: It's not the individual, it's the people around the individual.

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Speaker 1: You're right, And now if we just gonna keep this

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Speaker 1: thing on wax, I'm cool with it long as it

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Speaker 1: don't bleed into reality. Yeah, that's the problem that you

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Speaker 1: have because we thought Jay z Knov battling and now

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Speaker 1: they cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Bigger in Park would have been cool.

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Speaker 2: I doubt that. I don't. I doubt that.

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Speaker 1: Because sometimes you have a line you go too far.

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Speaker 1: You talk about you talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into that, but yeah, I doubt

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, can can Drake and Kendrick

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Speaker 2: come back? I think so? I think so, I think so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I know some some crazy things

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Speaker 1: was well, there were some crazy allegations, but you know.

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Speaker 2: On both sides.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean if if, if, if, if none

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd you mean? Hold?

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Speaker 1: Uh? There were these guys and queens called the shirt Kings,

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Speaker 1: and one of them they made spray paint shirts, and

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Speaker 1: one of them asked me about doing a mixtape with

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Speaker 1: jazz O, and I was like, all right, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: do it. So we went to Brooklyn to my man

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Speaker 1: Fresh Gordon Crib. He's supposed to be doing this mixtape

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Speaker 1: and then jazz O was like, Yo, can my man

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Speaker 1: rhyme on the tape too?

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Speaker 2: And that was jay Z. So we did was it

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Speaker 2: don't know how old he was.

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Speaker 1: don't know, could have been twenty nineteen, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But he asked his man rhyme on the tape and

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Speaker 1: I was like yeah, So we did the tape. And

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Speaker 1: then when we're riding back to my crib, my man

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Speaker 1: Night from the Shirt Kings, He's like, Yo, we really

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Speaker 1: wanted you to do this because we want you to help,

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Speaker 1: you know, to get jazz another deal. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I was like, honestly, I kind of like the light

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Speaker 1: skin do better.

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Speaker 2: As I came from work with him.

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Speaker 1: You know, and that's how you know, we connected, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, and we uh we started you know, working

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Speaker 1: I was shopping his music, you know, the different labels

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Speaker 1: and things of that nature. And then I ended up

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Speaker 1: doing the Feels Like Another one with Patty LaBelle right.

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Speaker 1: And while we were on tour, you know, I'm noticing

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Speaker 1: So I guess you better get everything you can in

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Speaker 1: He's an anomaly. He's to wrap what Tiger Woods was

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Speaker 2: He came in.

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Speaker 1: Eminem is like, you know, when hip hop began, you know,

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00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: this was we're talking about a New York thing, right, Yeah, Okay,

437
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you.

438
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: Got n w A talking about straight out of Compton. Yeah.

439
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: Now it's on the West Coast. You hearing about a

440
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: West Coast hood. You know what I'm saying, That ain't

441
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: our hood. You know, we don't do that in New York.

442
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: But you're hearing about you know, the low Riders and

443
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: all this thing. But you're learning about the hood in

444
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: the West Coast. Correct got the ghetto boys, you know,

445
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: talking about you know, the Wards whatnot, you know, and

446
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: like now you hear about you know, the Texas the

447
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: hood in Texas, you know, atl they talking about you know,

448
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Lil Wayne master P talking about

449
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: new workers. Yeah, it's like you hearing about these hoods

450
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: in all these different regions.

451
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: Right. Eminem talked about his.

452
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: Hood, talked about eight Mile, but he not talking about

453
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, the projects in Detroit.

454
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: He talked about trailer parks stuff. He talked about white

455
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: hood shit. Yep, you know what I'm saying. Yep.

456
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: I thought that that was just so dope. You know

457
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because this is this is white ghetto stuff.

458
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that we're learning about that.

459
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, this is this is so this is

460
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: so dope, you know. And I respect him for that

461
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: because he wasn't trying to pretend to be something he wasn't.

462
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: He talked about his hood, hood, you know what I'm saying,

463
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: where he grew up, at his life experiences.

464
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean I have a lot of respect

465
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: for him. Man, What what did em get right that

466
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: Vanilla I's got wrong? I think that last part I said.

467
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 2: But but I.

468
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: Mean, hey man, you know Vanilla Ice. You know he

469
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: put that song bad. Hey, Yeah, he became very successful.

470
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: He had a you know, a mega hit. I mean,

471
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: it's dude had a movie, you know, you know, you

472
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: know he had you know, one hit and they had

473
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: a movie. I mean, so he did his thing. Man,

474
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: so saluted for their lives.

475
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 2: Man. Hip hop is hip hop dying? Is hip hop dying?

476
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: Ah? I don't think that hip hop is dying because

477
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: what you gotta understand is that when hip hop first started,

478
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: it was nothing but block parties.

479
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't all wax, Yes, it was just block parties.

480
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: So looking at what's going on right now when they

481
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: have those type of hip hop festivals or intimate hip

482
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 1: hop events, you know you hearing that classic material, you

483
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: know that that you know that defines what hip hop

484
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: is really about.

485
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: Right, So I don't know. Maybe I don't think it's dying.

486
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: Maybe it's going back to where it's supposed to be, right,

487
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, what is the substance? Because you talked about

488
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: like how m spoke about things that he experienced. He

489
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to be somebody else. Yeah, he talked about

490
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: the trailer parks. That's where he grew up, That's what

491
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: he knew, that's what he experienced. He talked about his

492
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: mother's situation, he talked about things that were there. It

493
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: seems like now the substances is that the hot thing.

494
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: And let's talk about this even though I haven't experienced it.

495
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: Oh you said, even though I haven't experience you know

496
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that's what the rap is now. Yeah,

497
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 1: a lot of rapper about the brow. You not no gangster.

498
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah in the studio you wields, but you are, but

499
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: not in reality.

500
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

501
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, we we live in you know,

502
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: a social media world. So it's like whatever's trending, whatever topic.

503
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, whatever's trending, that's you know,

504
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: like I I was leaving, I was at I can't

505
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: know where I was. I was vegaus weballs. I have

506
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: my my Dora case with me. Yeah, I'm checking it

507
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: at the airport, and the lady at the airport talking, okay,

508
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: you got your cowboy hat, you got your your boots

509
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: and your luggage. I'm like, nah, sweet, my boots ain't

510
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: on the ground. I'm just that's just a regular for door.

511
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: It's not a cowboy hat. But you know, that's what's trending.

512
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying right now, that's what's trending.

513
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: So everybody in their mama coming out to the concert with.

514
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: And the hat.

515
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, it's whatever's trending. Drake called

516
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: the stir. He said, UK rappers are better than us

517
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: A rappers lyrically. I'm just saying, you can't say you

518
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: looking at me, man, I ain't got no h You

519
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: wanted me to respond, Yeah, yeah, I ain't got but

520
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: one head, man, You look at me like I had

521
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: three heads.

522
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: He said that.

523
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: I I feel that with the amount of success that

524
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: Drake has had in this game, he's entitled to his opinion.

525
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: You know.

526
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm sorry, I think that everything. Everybody is

527
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 1: entitled to their opinion. You know, that's the beautiful thing

528
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: about an opinion. Everyone can have one. Rather I just

529
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: whether I agree or disagree, You agree or disagree. Everybody's

530
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: entitled to have an opinion, correct, you know, But I mean,

531
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: if that's what Drake feel, Hey, man, go ahead on me.

532
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: You were trends that are because you had the high

533
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: top fade, you drafted, had the rags on. How did

534
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: you determine what would your persona going to be on

535
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: the stage? Well, as I was saying earlier, you know,

536
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: like you see, like the pimps and the hustlers pull

537
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: up and deduceive, I saw how all the other kids

538
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood gravitated to that.

539
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: That was a look, you know what I'm saying. And

540
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: then my pops was a fancy dresser.

541
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: My pops wore three four piece suits, you know, Persian

542
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: lamb coats. You know the duster that's the four piece. Yea,

543
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: so I saw you Yeah. I was like, yeah, yeah, nah,

544
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: this the pants, the vest, blazer, and the duster. Okay,

545
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: that's the four piece. But you know I saw, you know,

546
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: this is this is what I saw. Like for example,

547
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: I did our senior hall and they had built the

548
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: whole set with garbage cans and graffiti and all this

549
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: this stuff.

550
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: And I had them tear down and I.

551
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: Told them to put me some of that sexy shit

552
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: back up, like how you had it when I was

553
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: here with Quincy. You know, it wasn't because I was

554
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: against graffiti or or the street. It was because it's

555
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: like me, as a kid, I'm used to seeing, you know,

556
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the pimps, the hustlers pull up with the fur coats

557
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: on that type of stuff.

558
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: And when we went to block parties.

559
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: We put on the ol pack of sweaters, the mock necks,

560
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: the British Walker shoes.

561
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: You know, we wanted to look fly, you know what

562
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, I mean I didn't. I didn't.

563
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: I didn't actually see breakdancing until the movie Wild Style

564
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: came out.

565
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean, like, I mean actually on the street, right,

566
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, I didn't. Actually you don't

567
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: see it, you know.

568
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: So it was like, I'm like, that's not the background

569
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: that I'm a philiate, it's it's it's hip hop, right,

570
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: it's hip hop. It's you know, one of the graffiti

571
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: is one of the elements of hip hop. But I

572
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: mean it's like, that's not what we did on Lewis

573
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: Avenue where I came from.

574
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: So I wanted to represent my hood. You know what

575
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

576
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: Yep, fashion today, What do you like or dislike? But

577
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: what you see today because you know LLL was in

578
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: the sweat suit, had his shirt off, he had you know,

579
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: had a tracksuit on, taking shirt off, big gold chain

580
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: run DMC had the Adidas outfit, uh, the shell told

581
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: fast shoes. All it all depends are you, I mean,

582
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: are you still you still yeah, I'm sure. I mean,

583
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: look at you coming today. You come to White Path

584
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: as well, you know ALB kicks. So you're still a

585
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: fashion like. You're still in the fashion like that, right?

586
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Do you like the way fashion is headed? You see

587
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: kind of where its going now. I'm gonna say this,

588
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: I feel that we as the Black youth were trend setters.

589
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: We were trend setters, you know, and not just the artists.

590
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: Shout out to Dappa Dan, April Walker called Kanai. You know,

591
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: we were on the Shabbaz Brothers. You know, we were

592
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: all trend setters. And I think that now I see

593
00:31:54,600 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: uh a lot of younger cats catering to you know,

594
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: what's popular or fashion week as opposed to your own creativity. Correct,

595
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, taking those those hood elements

596
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: and mixing them together, making them look fly, especially if

597
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: you're a rich artist, because you can take it to

598
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: the whole next, a whole other level, because you got

599
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: the money to do so to become that trendsetter. You know,

600
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: when Dappa Dan took the job at Gucci, you know,

601
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: all he had to do was just remake the stuff

602
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: he was making in the eighties, you know, what I'm

603
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: saying that Gucci never made you see what I'm saying. So,

604
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, I feel like you

605
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: have that power to just grab those street elements, that

606
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: stuff that you know look hood sexy, and you know,

607
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: bring it together and create a Look.

608
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: How do you become a ladies man? The hell of

609
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: I know. Shiner just rode with it.

610
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I know you rode with it because you

611
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: had two shows that they apollowed. They sold out for

612
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: women only. Yes, sir, I only know two other another

613
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: artist only. One of the artists that I know of,

614
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: Teddy Pendograd, used to have women only.

615
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: That's what we got the idea from.

616
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: It was an idea from lady to work the Warner

617
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: brothers uh Kiera and we uh yeah, we decided to

618
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: do two shows at the Apollo for ladies only because

619
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: she she broke it down cause she went to the

620
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Teddy show.

621
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: So she was like so she was like, well, you know.

622
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: He had Teddy bears in every seat that said, you know,

623
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: hug on Teddy. So I was like, okay, we gotta

624
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: flip that. Put candy canes in every seat and let

625
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: us say suck on cane.

626
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: So that's you know, that's that's what we did, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

627
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: I remember his documentary where he was they were telling

628
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: the story. He was telling that story part of it.

629
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: And then man, do you think, I mean, think about it,

630
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: came a rapper sow that shows women only? A rapper

631
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: to sow that shows women only? Is that possible today?

632
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: Drake? Do you think Drake could do it? Hell? Yeah,

633
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: hell yeah and do it first?

634
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, rap wise, yeah, I was the first,

635
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: but I mean Drake, yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know,

636
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, dude has a massive crowd. He has so

637
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: many hits for the ladies. Yes, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

638
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: Drake could do it.

639
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: How do you even get into modeling?

640
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: I can't remember whether it was April Walker or oh man,

641
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was who asked me to wear.

642
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: There's stuff on the runway and like I was in

643
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: my zone. I was in my and honestly, I was

644
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: nervous because because I know how my bop walk is.

645
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: I know, and I didn't want to do that on

646
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: the runway and what I did because I remember when

647
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: I when I told them afterwards, they was cracking up laughing.

648
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: I was like the.

649
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: Whole time, even though the house music stuff was playing

650
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: or whatever was playing, the whole time, I was humming

651
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: the baseline to Richard Pryor Which way is up? While

652
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: I was walking Boom boom boom boom boom boom.

653
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom boom boom. That's what I was

654
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: humming in my head so that I walked straight, you know.

655
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that well, yeah, anytime, anytime I was on

656
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: the runway, that's what I would do. But you was

657
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: also offered an opportunity for to be and playgirl. No, no, no,

658
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: you took it. Yeah, we went for it. It started

659
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: as a joke, right.

660
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: Uh.

661
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: The publicist from Warner Brothers, Jeane Shelton, he had just

662
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: got me an Essence magazine and he was like, man,

663
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: young blood, I've done so many things for you and

664
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: your rap career that I never thought I could do

665
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: for no rap artists. Man. You know, like I'm having

666
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: so much fun working with you. Like we don't we

667
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: done been in Jet magazine?

668
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: We doesnet been?

669
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: You know, so that's all that we done? Did everything? Yeah,

670
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, I was He's like, ain't nothing left?

671
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: You know.

672
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: I was like, and I'm just I just made a joke.

673
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: I was like, Lessen is like, you like like Playboy magazine.

674
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 1: He's like, you mean Playgirl. I'm like, yeah, yeah, play girl.

675
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: I was like, unlet's we go do something like that.

676
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: And we laughed and then we we look at each other.

677
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: You were laughing though you were dead a ship. Let's

678
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: do it, you know. Yeah, Ma Donna asked you to

679
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: pose for our sex books.

680
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Warner brother sent us on a promotional tour.

681
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: Okay myself, Madonna color me bad. And we were like

682
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: going to like you know, Upscale hospital, you know, you know,

683
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: like the patients in there were like, you know, young

684
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: white kids. They didn't really know who I was. And

685
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, uh, Madonna's sitting there talking me. You know

686
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: who that is. That's Big Daddy Kane. He's a famous rapper.

687
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 2: Here.

688
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: Let me hear you say, ain't no halfs And I'm like,

689
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: Madna know my shit, Oh wow, I'm bugging man. So

690
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: afterwards were outside and I'm like, hey, thank you so much,

691
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: you know for acknowledging me. I appreciate that. And she

692
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: was like no, no, my pleasure. She was like, listen,

693
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing a book. It's just photographs. Not you know,

694
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: talking just photographs. I would love to have you involved.

695
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: I would like, I would be honest, And she was like,

696
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: but it's you know, probably gonna be real racy, like

697
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: nude photos.

698
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: I was like, shit, even better, let's do even better.

699
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let me tell you how real Madonna up.

700
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: Was bag.

701
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like the day started off so

702
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: much fun where I'm like, okay, yeah, this is the

703
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: place to be.

704
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: This is cool. Okay.

705
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: When I got to the set, Madonna comes running across

706
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: the room for the ass snackerd Gane.

707
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: So glad you made it. Let me tell you.

708
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: I was just standing outside in the middle of the

709
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: street in between them divide her just like this, no

710
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: clothes on, with my thumb out, taking photos. But not

711
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: one single car stop. Can you believe that fucking Madonna?

712
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: Nobody stopped for me.

713
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, this is gonna be an amazing day, right,

714
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: I'm like this, they gonna be amaze because she won

715
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: ten already. I'm like, yo, yeah, she wild already. I'm like, yeah,

716
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun.

717
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: Do you believe there's a rapper today that could do

718
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: play girl or do a sex book photos? Like what Madonna.

719
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: Did I think that there's rappers to day that's coming

720
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: from doing that to become of that movies Brown Sugar,

721
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: you also equalized with Coueen Latifa. Is that something you

722
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: wish you had a partaken in more?

723
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I wish I would have.

724
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: Stayed, you know, focused on that and you know, can

725
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, continued pursuing, you know, my film career.

726
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: I think that I could have.

727
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: I could have done a whole lot more, had a

728
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: much bigger impact. But I mean, you know, hey man,

729
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: you know it ain't too late, you know, I mean

730
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, look how you know where Age Morgan Freeman

731
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: was when he made.

732
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: His bones, So you know it ain't too late. It's

733
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: not because I remember he was an easy reader and

734
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: let your company. Yeah yeah, that's right.

735
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I do. And the next thing,

736
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, I get older, here the move like hold on,

737
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: that's easy reader.

738
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

739
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: But I mean right now, with this hit point, I

740
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: probably was more focused on, you know, my son, you know,

741
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: his film career, because I truly believe that he's more

742
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: of a natural than I am.

743
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: Right, he just got it, had it.

744
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, you thn Dave Chappelle's block party.

745
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: What was that experience, like.

746
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean to actually see Dave Chappelle in his element. Yeah,

747
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean when I saw the movie, I was upset

748
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: about so much funny stuff that didn't make the movie

749
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: crazy stuff I heard him say, you know while we

750
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: were there, you know, filming, But it was great to

751
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: be a part of it because Dave Chappelle is that

752
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: dude right now. He is I think he is, you know,

753
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: the best comedian of today. And he's such a hip

754
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: hop fan and eligible. Yeah you know what I'm saying. Yes, knowledgeable,

755
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: he knows, he know the history. So you know, I

756
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: have nothing but the upmost respect hunt and I thank

757
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: him so much for, you know, include me in that

758
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: your song was featured in Grand Theft, Auto and Andreas.

759
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean that when you when you hear your music

760
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: and things like that, how does that make you feel?

761
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's amazing because you gotta understand these

762
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: are kids, yes, and it's like you're saying, this is

763
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: big Daddy Kane and it's like who And then they

764
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: find they hear a woman upcine and then that that's you.

765
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I know that from Grand Theft. You know, so

766
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

767
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: It gives me that feeling of of my girl. Yeah,

768
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: it's children today that know my girl from top to bottom,

769
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: but don't know the temptations, correct, you know what I mean?

770
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 2: Yeah?

771
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: Women rappers? I mean you you the exception you mentioned,

772
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: you know Rock sand Shante, give me, give me your

773
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: give me your five. I mean there's a great one.

774
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: They're not And you know you're probably gonna take some

775
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: people off because you have. When you say five of anything,

776
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: that means you leave something off. Give me your five

777
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: women's rappers. That's right. That's why I'm not gonna give

778
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: you my five. But I will say that some of

779
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: my favorites I'm gonna try to go from then till

780
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: now would be uh Shah, Rock, Wut Rock, Sane, Schante,

781
00:42:48,760 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: Salt and Pepper, Queen, Latifa, m C Light, Eve, Foxy Kim,

782
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: uh Lady of Rage, Lady of Rage, they forgot If

783
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: if you call Lauryn Hill a rapper, I like to

784
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: because she's a monster with the bars. Yes, yes, I'd

785
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: say Lauryn Hill, Lady London low Lebrook.

786
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm probably forgetting a few. But yeah, who is this said?

787
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: I forget who said it that he believes female rappers

788
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: are becoming over sexualized. Well, I mean it's like, you know,

789
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: that's what they did to them back in the days,

790
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, trying to force them, you know,

791
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: to to to be sexy. That's that's one of the

792
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: main things that you know, I've always respected about Queen Latifa, right,

793
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, she was like, I'm gonna keep it apros

794
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: centric and I'm gonna be the Queen. I'm not putting

795
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: that tight shit on, you know, I'm you know, that's

796
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: that's That's what about Queen the teeth I've always respected. Yes,

797
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: she did it her way. Queen has always been to queen.

798
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean you meet I mean, when you meet her

799
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, in front, she the queen. Yeah, bro,

800
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I need to know we you got me in North

801
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: Carolina from you, from you, from Brooklyn, New York. There

802
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: could not be anything more different than Brooklyn, New York

803
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: than North Carolina.

804
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: How why.

805
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: Well, you know, yeah, I'm from Brooklyn, best style of Brooklyn,

806
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: but I hadn't lived there since nineteen eighty seven. Really, yeah,

807
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean I said the same same thing the biggie

808
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: said when I first made a record I ain't never

809
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: leave in the Hood, but then I realized that I had,

810
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: you had to, you know what I'm saying. I felt

811
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: like I wanted to be here with my people. You

812
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We're gonna walk this walk together.

813
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: But then I realized that, you know, your people start

814
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: looking at you different differently. So, you know, I hadn't

815
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: lived in in the Hood since eighty seven. I moved

816
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: to Jamaica Estates and Queens. Okay, so I was, you know,

817
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: in like kind of like a suburban area almost, you know,

818
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: and I had a lot of friends in Long Island

819
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: that lived in the real, real suburbs, you know what

820
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So when I came down here in the

821
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: nineties and did a show, because like my family is

822
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: from South Carolina, Okay, you know what I'm saying, we're

823
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, dirt roads and stuff like that. You know,

824
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: people don't know you gonna walk up and be where

825
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: your name is. You know, that's where you know where

826
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: I spent my summer in South Carolina. So when I

827
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: came to North Carolina and sawt it, Nah, this ain't country,

828
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, just laid back. Yeah, it looked just like

829
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: long hour raised a family. I was like, I actually

830
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: live here, right, and I did it? Wow, when you

831
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: were growing up, did you want to do anything else

832
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: other than music? Did you want to play sports? Did

833
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: you think that basketball or any like a sport was

834
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: gonna be your avenue out of the hood.

835
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: I played basketball the seventh grade. But you know I.

836
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: Got, I got, you know, kicked off the team and

837
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: out the school.

838
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: So what did you do?

839
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Came, Uh, I did something bad. How you tell your mom?

840
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: How you tell your mom you got kicked out of school?

841
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: You go home and tell your mom and you randm

842
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: on your parents. How you tell them I ain't gonna

843
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: be able to go to school tomorrow. I don't know

844
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: when I will be able to go to school.

845
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: To gain.

846
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: Nah, I you know, I explained, you know, what I

847
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: was upset about, and you know, she understood where I

848
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: was coming from. But it was like, you know, like

849
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: you still shouldn't have did that. You should still shouldn't

850
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: have handled it that way. You should have just you know,

851
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: so you know, it was what it was, and it

852
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: ended up going to a different school and by the

853
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: time you know, I got to like arm.

854
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: Like finished eighth grade. I wanted to be an MC,

855
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: so sports didn't matter anymore. Yeah, because see, like.

856
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: I said, when I sit in like in the seventies,

857
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: when I saw Master D, I wanted to be a DJ.

858
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: So that's how it started.

859
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: I was like DJ Sir Romeo, and someone broke in

860
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: my grandmother crib stole my turntables.

861
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: Well, you're not the DJ themore.

862
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I became you know, Tony T. Okay, Yeah,

863
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: I left that name of all right, I became Yeah,

864
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: I became Tony T. And you know, then when I

865
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: became MC came, you know, that's when I started, you know,

866
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: really like like focusing holding on the craft of that.

867
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: You know. But I mean, so I wasn't really thinking

868
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: about basketball anymore. So you're a Knicks or Hornets fan? Now, Knicks?

869
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I mean you you I come from

870
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: where with Michael Jordan's come and drop fifty five on

871
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: the Knicks, he got to leave with a thirty four

872
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: D on his eye. That's where I come from. You know,

873
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: I come from from Oakley, Anthony Mac Yeah, Patrick Ewing, Yeah,

874
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: come on, man. That legacy alone, Yeah, that legacy alone.

875
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: Gotta love the Knicks, man, regardless of who come afterwards,

876
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: just for what they they was gangsters.

877
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: So you're Giants or a Jets fan. I don't watch football.

878
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: You don't watch you don't watch nah man, no disrespect

879
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: about it, can I can? I just explain, all right?

880
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: And again no disrespect.

881
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: But it was like I couldn't wait to go to

882
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,479
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl party because I'm always hearing about them, right,

883
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: So finally I go and we're sitting there.

884
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: Finally watch a football game.

885
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: We're watching and the cameras zoomed in on the dude

886
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: ass and span dex and all of a sudden, the

887
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: play happens and everything happened in like five seconds, it's over,

888
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: back to the dude ass and span dex. I'm like,

889
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: and this is what y'all watch all day. I'm like,

890
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I'm good, I'm out good. I

891
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: just couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it. Yeah,

892
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it. I didn't cause you like,

893
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: with basketball, you seen him running up down yeah, you

894
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: know the court, you know, you know, even like hockey,

895
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: you know.

896
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 2: It was like I just felt like, nah, I can't

897
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: watch this. Yeah, you use.

898
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: A a lot of boxing references in your in your songs,

899
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: you boxing, clearly you got to be a boxing fan.

900
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: I guess is that that's my favorite sport. That's your

901
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: favorite spot. Yeah, who's your favorite boxing?

902
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: Ali?

903
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: Like that's how I used a lot of Ali stuff

904
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: to win battles. Because you know you're going to somebody

905
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: else's turf. Yes, so already, Like when I go there,

906
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: I want to make him uncomfortable on his own turf.

907
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: Or I want to make his boys be into me,

908
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I want his boys

909
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: to like be like you know, to to to to

910
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: to like what I'm saying, you know, yeah, because you

911
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: know they they did to boom me anyway, right because

912
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: they would with with this guy. You know, you got

913
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: Canelo or you got budd.

914
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 2: Mhmm. I want to say, I want to say, but.

915
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: I I can't really say until I until I see

916
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: the weight, right, I can't really say until I see

917
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: the weight right, But I mean just awful, like so

918
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: far what I've been putting together. Right, I would say,

919
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: but wow, that's you were really close with Beers. Be

920
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: has passed away with type two diabetes. I think irv

921
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: Gotti had diabetes. And you become very very health conscious.

922
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: What when when did you start prioritizing your health because

923
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like I said, you were very close being.

924
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: Bes I mean I was, you know, with that uh

925
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 2: way way way prior. You know, like when I started

926
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: like learning you know, like what how long beef stays

927
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: in your system? You know, like that was like eighty

928
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: seven when I stopped eating beef? Yeah really yeah? So

929
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: you chicken, turkey fish.

930
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: I stop eating chicken. I stop eating poultry period in

931
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: eighty nine. Just pescatarian. So your pescatary. Okay, so you pescatary.

932
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: You've pescatarian before it was even in bold. I mean

933
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: now you know.

934
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: You peskeytarian, you vegan or you know, whatever the case

935
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: may be. But yeah, yeah since eighty nine.

936
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, you were a member or you were in

937
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: the five percenter? What did you learn from your time

938
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: in that?

939
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I still I still flame five percent?

940
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

941
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: It's it's like, I mean, well, first of all, knowledge yourself,

942
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: yes you know what I'm saying, understanding who you are

943
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: as a black man, and you know, and your power,

944
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: how much power you have? You know, and you know

945
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean, so that's that's one of the main things.

946
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: But then also you know, how to you know, try

947
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: to deal in equality with others. You know what I'm saying,

948
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: how to try to inequality and try to bring others

949
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: up and teach the youth all that stuff you learn

950
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know from Islam. Okay, thoughts on councel

951
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: culture that you know, you have a mistake, you have

952
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: a slip up, and then that's the.

953
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: End of it.

954
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that anybody is entitled to make mistakes.

955
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, the name of the game is do better. Yes,

956
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, don't make that same mistake twice. Yeah, you know,

957
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: anybody is entitled to make mistake. You know, it's just

958
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,479
Speaker 1: do better. You made this mistake, What did you learn

959
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: from it? You know what I'm saying, What did you

960
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: learn from it? Don't make this mistake again? You know

961
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. How you're going to do better, How

962
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: you're going to improve on the relationship you destroyed? Or

963
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: what's you the black crowd cloud that you created? How

964
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: you gonna what you're gonna do to fix that? Right,

965
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But anybody is entitled to

966
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: make a mistake. And I'm saying, let me add one

967
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: more thing to that. What's funny to me is that

968
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: if the whole cancel culture thing, they'll do that to

969
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: someone over the slightest little thing that they did wrong,

970
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: and it'd be.

971
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: That one thing. But I know of a guy that do.

972
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 1: Wrong things every day that everybody just sweep under the rug.

973
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: So, I mean, you know, what the hell really is

974
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: cancer culture? True? What's your favorite era of music? My

975
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: favorite era of music? Mm hm.

976
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, that one's hard, Shannon. It's like, I like

977
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: the music better in the seventies, but the sixties had

978
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: some hellified stories like oh man, Smokey Robinson. Well sixties

979
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: with motown, Yeah, Smoky Robinson. But I mean, like I'm

980
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: just talking about the stories like Smokey Robinson. Uh uh,

981
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: Chris Christofferson. There was there was, There was there were

982
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: some writers that were their pen was just goodness that

983
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: Like what was you thinking? Man?

984
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: Seventies had some good music too, though.

985
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: No, it's not saying like music and even like in

986
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: the with the writing in the seventies you had some

987
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, some amazing people Ashvin and Simpson.

988
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: Uh, hell of a pen game, I see, I like

989
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: the big band in the seventies. See, I like cooling, the.

990
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: Gang, Ohio Players, the stylistic, the Barka's lakeside.

991
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: Okay, seee, I'm just talking about the right side music shide. Now,

992
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 2: the music side. I mean yeah, he waves, yeah, waves, yeah, cameo.

993
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, cooling the game, cooling, cooling the game, yeah

994
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: yeah all that. Who the uh can't see in the

995
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: Sunshine band can't? I mean everything was bands back then,

996
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: and they and they could do it. I still, you know,

997
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: I still like to go. I still, you know, occasion

998
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: if I can catch them, you know, go see Ohio Players.

999
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: I love I love band. I want to catch excuse me,

1000
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: cooling the game. I want to catch the Ohio Players

1001
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: because they were the first group. I mean, all these

1002
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: songs one word, roller Coaster, entire fire, Firecracker, you know

1003
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying they didn't have, but that slow song

1004
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: they had rig House nah less Love. Yeah it's al

1005
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: and oh yeah that was my joint.

1006
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on New York losing the.

1007
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: Crowd is best rap city? You know we got that

1008
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: at Ma. I'm just saying that that we got it now,

1009
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: we got it. Absolutely, No. I mean, you know, I

1010
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: think that, you know, hip hop is universal, and you know,

1011
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: everybody you know deserved it shot, you know. I remember

1012
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: when the West Coast had it, you know. Yeah, I

1013
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: mean it's like this here. If it's entertaining, I'm there

1014
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: for it. I'm here for it, right, you know, like

1015
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: Out of the South. I love listening to se Loo.

1016
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: I love listening to Outcast.

1017
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: T I.

1018
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: You know, I love t I. You know, just Luda

1019
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: oh Man, Luda. Forget about it, love Luda.

1020
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: You know. I mean, I've always youen. I tell you

1021
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: a funny story.

1022
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: I remember when Juvenile first came out with her Yeah,

1023
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: and the video came on video jukebox, and I'm, you know,

1024
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: in New York with you know a lot of my boys,

1025
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, from the hood, and they came on and

1026
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: they like, Yo, this is what hip hop is becoming.

1027
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: This ship here, this is what we gotta listen to now.

1028
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: And I just turned my back. I turned my back.

1029
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: I started doing some other stuff because I like the back.

1030
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It was right, you know

1031
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I don't. I think I'm the only

1032
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: one that I'm like, am I the only one to

1033
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: think this shit is hut, you know, and I'm sitting there.

1034
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: Are you about to treat your nose? You know what?

1035
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 2: I love that song, man, I loved it. You know.

1036
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned you said you like like because when

1037
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: I ask you about the women you like, you named

1038
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: off for about ten or twelve. You feel the same

1039
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: way about the guys that's like like like five of

1040
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: your if I gave you, If I gave you five

1041
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: guys and say came for the next ten years, you're

1042
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: gonna listen to five?

1043
00:58:59,000 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: Who you playing?

1044
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: You only got five guys? You only got five rappers

1045
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: past or present that you could listen to who you rocket?

1046
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: First of all? Now you you you're you're you're getting

1047
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: real grade at this wording that.

1048
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you down on something. You got five?

1049
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: You got five? Well, I mean, you know, honestly, it

1050
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: may not be the five that I think are the

1051
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: greatest lyricists, right.

1052
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: It might be it would probably be the ones who

1053
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: I just like like listening to. Correct you know what

1054
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1055
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: So you know we be talking about you know, Chuck

1056
00:59:47,760 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: d Uh slick Wreck uh uh jay z h.

1057
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't know Chuck geez. Look Meck jay Z. I

1058
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know.

1059
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't know. Oh, I would say Celo and

1060
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: chub Rock. Okay, but see, like I said, man, because

1061
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: it's like I love Selo voice.

1062
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: Man, you love Selo voice? Yeah? And I love Chuck

1063
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: rock voice. You know. Yeah.

1064
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: Have you ever met Chuck Rock? I have never met

1065
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: Chub Rock. Do you know he talks like that in

1066
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: real life? Really?

1067
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he talks like that in real life.

1068
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: Like my brother tripped out when the first time heard

1069
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 1: Chuck Rock because he's he's in the studio and Chuck

1070
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: Chuck just walked into the studio.

1071
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: He's like, Yo, okay, that's John Blaze. Man who did

1072
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: that mob? He talks like that in real life.

1073
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Speaker 1: I tell people the same thing about Eve forty. Yeah, yeah,

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01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: yeah forty exactly like you here him.

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Speaker 2: That's how Faulty talked. Like we met, we're doing a

1076
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: movie together, and like I'm sitting there just staring at him, like, yo,

1077
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 2: is he messing with me? Or he really talked like this? Yeah? Yeah.

1078
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: You once said Eminem is the Kobe of rap? Who's Mike?

1079
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: Who's Lebron?

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01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't honestly don't know how

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01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: to answer that, Shannon, I don't know how to answer

1082
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: that because I don't I don't know what's the qualifications

1083
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: of a mic, what's the qualifications of a Lebron. I

1084
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: don't know what the qualificifications off of Kobe when you're

1085
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: making a reference to Rapp.

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01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: So I don't really know how to answer that one.

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01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: You're still performing and Uh, there's a situation where I

1088
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: think it was bow Wow. I think it was Fat Joe.

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Speaker 1: They had a coup at Sea World. Did you see that?

1090
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: No? I heard about it. You you you hop on

1091
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 2: the mic and see world? Not now? Not now? Not now.

1092
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 2: I mean they got a little check. They got a

1093
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: little check for you, kn't you know?

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01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, man. I'm just gonna say this, man,

1095
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: Fat Joe is a hip hop legend by while it's

1096
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: a young hip hop legend man, and both those guys

1097
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: did a lot for the game. Whatever decisions they make

1098
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: or they decide to do, I respect it.

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01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1100
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: The next fifty years, I think RAP just had its anniversary,

1101
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: fifty year anniversary. The next fifty years, what would you

1102
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: like to see for Rap?

1103
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: Rap?

1104
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: I would like to see young hip hop artists that

1105
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: focus on writing songs that impact their fan based life

1106
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: and step on stage and be great performers, whether they

1107
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: got production behind them or not.

1108
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: You know, even if you don't have.

1109
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: No led lights and stuff, you still know how to

1110
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: rip that stage apart.

1111
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: Right.

1112
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Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna wrap. Thank you for coming on

1113
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: Club Sha shay. Anything. You got a book Just Rhyming

1114
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: with Beers, a documentary paragraphs I manifest any new music.

1115
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: I heard you dropping your own wine and cookie show.

1116
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah long wine, yeah, am Ontario.

1117
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah that.

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01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1119
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: The book Just Rhyming with beis talking about, you know,

1120
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: is discovering me and getting me a record deal and

1121
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: all the madness we went through trying to get on,

1122
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: you know. And I'll tell you about the documentary docuseries

1123
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: rather you know, right Lyricists kr Is One, J G Rock,

1124
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: cam Rizzer, Method Man.

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01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: L O J.

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Speaker 1: Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Low, Wayne Big Daddy, Kane, Slick Red.

1127
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: Will we ever because KRS One rock him y'all in

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Speaker 1: the LLL. A lot of you guys were in the

1129
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: same era, same It's kind of like if you'd had Lebron,

1130
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: Kobe Jordan's Bird Magic, Johannis Yo Kicch. If you'd had

1131
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: the ten you know, ten and all of them in

1132
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: the same same era.

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Speaker 2: Ja.

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01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: Let mean just think you Jay z all you got

1135
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: J Cole method all your guys in the same era.

1136
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: You ever thought about that, what it would be like if,

1137
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: like man if man, what.

1138
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: Would it be like if I was in this era

1139
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: with J Cole and Kendrick Lamar and Lil Wayne. What

1140
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: would it be like if they were in my era

1141
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: with X Y and Z You Have you ever thought

1142
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: of it like that?

1143
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I could tell you what it been like.

1144
01:04:50,320 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: You know, I would have been on the sneaker tongue.

1145
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: Ben goaty k K. Thank you man for jo the club.

1146
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 2: Shait yere bab. We appreciate it. Broth all my.

1147
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: Life and grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back the

1148
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: price Wanta slice, got to brow the dice, swap all

1149
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 3: my life.

1150
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life. Yeah, all my life

1151
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: and grinding.

1152
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 3: All my life, sacrifice, hustle, pay the price in Wanta Slice,

1153
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 3: got to brow the dice, swap all my life. I've

1154
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 3: been grinding all my life, h.