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Speaker 1: Your hosts Mickey's Fagnola, Brian broad Ess, Taylor Stern, and
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. Hello, everyone, and welcome into today's edition of
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys, finally at our normal time of eleven thirty
Speaker 1: am Central Time, coming to you live from the SWBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage Studio, of course, joined by Mickey, Rob, Brian myself.
Speaker 1: We are going to finally really dive into this Rams game.
Speaker 1: But before we do that, I have to know, how
Speaker 1: are you guys doing? Fantastic? Mickey's wearing some Rams colors
Speaker 1: over there? Is that a fantastic? Yeah? O? Our brothers
Speaker 1: at one of five three gold do you see this?
Speaker 1: They're wearing blue and green on the other side, Ramsey,
Speaker 1: and and you're wearing the gold Rams over there. And
Speaker 1: what do you got on white? I'm just neutral black
Speaker 1: and white here the visiting white, visiting white. So, if
Speaker 1: you guys are listening, sorry, but if you watch on
Speaker 1: connected radio or our app, yeah you see that, because
Speaker 1: I should all download our connected TV devices. You are
Speaker 1: kind of ramtastic, aren't you? Ramtastic? Yeah, well I just
Speaker 1: needed a little blue. But I've got that tie to
Speaker 1: wear today for TV. That's the Michael Irvin approach, you know.
Speaker 1: He wears on the NFL game day, the opposing opponent Colors.
Speaker 1: And yesterday we cleared some things up here in the
Speaker 1: training table. We're lucky to have Michael Irvin around sometimes.
Speaker 1: And he was he was walking with Mickey and I said, hey, Michael,
Speaker 1: Mickey gave me a hard time today because I said that.
Speaker 1: You know, the other day Todd Griley was giving you
Speaker 1: a hard time about whooping up on the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: it goes he was seriously joking. It's like when you say, like, hey,
Speaker 1: that shirt doesn't look that good. Yeah, just kidding, Yeah,
Speaker 1: are kidding, just kidding. There's always a little truth in
Speaker 1: every joke, you know. Is yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: truth in every joke. Well, that's that's pointant. That's a
Speaker 1: that's another quote for Mickey. That will write that down
Speaker 1: in the book of quotes. All right, So Shaun Lee
Speaker 1: didn't do anything yesterday. Of course, it was just basically
Speaker 1: a walk through practice and air quotes. He didn't do anything,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are starting to worry of course,
Speaker 1: with the short week, and if he will be able
Speaker 1: to play this week, what do you guys think. I
Speaker 1: think they should be worried. I bet he doesn't do
Speaker 1: anything today, yep, and he may not do anything tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and then about ten o'clock on Sunday they'll check and
Speaker 1: see if he can do a lot on Sunday. I
Speaker 1: just think that they're going to let him rest as
Speaker 1: much as he can. And I think he's the one
Speaker 1: player who probably can get away with playing a game
Speaker 1: without practicing a whole heck of a lot. So I
Speaker 1: just don't expect him to do much this week. Very
Speaker 1: similar scheme to what the Redskins have done over the years,
Speaker 1: you know, and Shaun Lee's faced the Sean McVay Redskin attack,
Speaker 1: you know the last couple of seasons. Kind of understand that, hey,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be about a lot of play action passes,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of big players in the game,
Speaker 1: and you gotta be ready for all that. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm from the approach that usually when guys don't
Speaker 1: practice Friday, they don't play. Yeah, that's you know, you've
Speaker 1: seen me. Mickey likes to make fun of not make fun.
Speaker 1: He always you're out and I I'm one of those
Speaker 1: guys that you know, but we've we've seen. I mean,
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins was a game time guy one time against
Speaker 1: the Colts. But hey, Piot didn't really do much. I
Speaker 1: had to do anything. Well, he he worked out on
Speaker 1: his own out. Yeah, and I just it's one of
Speaker 1: those things with Sean Lee. And you know with the
Speaker 1: hamstring you're going to you're gonna win the battle or
Speaker 1: you want to win the war. You know that that's
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta buye week coming up and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So I mean, you know, do you get
Speaker 1: him ready for Green Bay? Do you feel like and that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna win. Well I shouldn't say not win.
Speaker 1: You're gonna lose the hamstring battle here, but is it
Speaker 1: gonna help you maybe win that war against Green Bay?
Speaker 1: I've been dealing with those hamstrings. Were you there when
Speaker 1: he talked about it yesterday? It's a little off the
Speaker 1: locker room. I heard secondhand. It wasn't off the record.
Speaker 1: It was off to the side. Yeah, Well, so what
Speaker 1: he said what he said, it wasn't he said it
Speaker 1: wasn't as bad as some of the other ones he had,
Speaker 1: but he said, I'll just test it and we'll see.
Speaker 1: So well to Brian's pretty vague about just where he
Speaker 1: was at Brian's point whenever, and they've had some injury
Speaker 1: hamstring issues with guys already this camp. They always say,
Speaker 1: you don't want to turn into a six week injury.
Speaker 1: He is too important to what they do, absolutely, so
Speaker 1: I think if they need to err on the side
Speaker 1: of caution, they will. The interesting thing to Meeta is
Speaker 1: you look at this roster and if Hitchens isn't ready
Speaker 1: to go, which Garrett said as well, if he does
Speaker 1: anything today, he'll be very limited. You got four healthy
Speaker 1: linebackers on your roster right now, so what do you
Speaker 1: do if you don't have either one of them? And
Speaker 1: you know, you've got a fullback who used to play linebackers,
Speaker 1: so there's some things they can do, but you're awfully
Speaker 1: thin at that position. I talked to Anthony Hitchins in
Speaker 1: the locker room yesterday, was off to the side and
Speaker 1: Anthony but on the record, yeah, he's a great guy.
Speaker 1: I really enjoy him and he's very just trying to
Speaker 1: be accurate, that's all. Hey appreciate it. Ramsey anyway, So
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins, great guy, he's talking. You know, he's excited
Speaker 1: to get back to practice this week. You know, he
Speaker 1: said that he feels like he will be able to
Speaker 1: do stuff this week, get out there, get more comfortable.
Speaker 1: He obviously didn't know if he was going to be
Speaker 1: able to play. That's really not his decision, right, but
Speaker 1: he was anxious to get out to practice. I mean,
Speaker 1: he looks good. He's been working out every day here,
Speaker 1: even when they've been on the road. You know, he
Speaker 1: said he's just hungry to get back there because he
Speaker 1: was so happy with what was going on in the
Speaker 1: preseason's outstanding, great camp. Yeah, so he's ready to get back.
Speaker 1: The linebacker situation might be really good. We get to
Speaker 1: this Screen Bay game next week. Yeah yeah, wait a
Speaker 1: little longer and it might turn out. Now, this is
Speaker 1: some you have to think about as well. They play
Speaker 1: a lot of Mickey's Dime stuff. You know that that
Speaker 1: Deacon front they play, and you only need two linebackers
Speaker 1: to play that. So if all of a sudden and
Speaker 1: I asked to Cooper cup question today, you know they're
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of eleven personnel for the for
Speaker 1: the rams. That's how they attack you. And so it
Speaker 1: might mean let's kay, let's play three down lineman, two
Speaker 1: linebackers and then the rest, you know, defensive backs. You
Speaker 1: feel good about those young guys. Now you got a
Speaker 1: couple of those cats nicked up a little bit, but
Speaker 1: that might be their way of getting around things where
Speaker 1: they can go where they don't have to have but
Speaker 1: four linebackers to dress. The cool thing about this discussion,
Speaker 1: and like you said, you play those subpackas at least
Speaker 1: in base and maybe in some subwork. We're not talking
Speaker 1: about Jalen Smith as like a liability snaps Wise's pencil
Speaker 1: and him in for however many snaps you need me
Speaker 1: to play well. The liability question became asked to Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett today was Justin Durant. Does Justin Durant play enough?
Speaker 1: And he played thirties. I think you looked thirty two
Speaker 1: snaps the other day. That's okay, that's what you're going
Speaker 1: to need Justin Durant to do. So, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: Should you be worried about Sean Lee, Yes, absolutely, because
Speaker 1: of what he brings every week to the defense. Other
Speaker 1: ways they can work around it. Yes, there are ways
Speaker 1: they can work around it, but you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: how they have to go to that route. Yeah. On
Speaker 1: the more positive note, Jordan lewis pretty much ready to
Speaker 1: go now. A lot of people were worried about his
Speaker 1: hamstring and he wasn't even on the practice report yesterday,
Speaker 1: so it's good to see that, especially with those secondary woes.
Speaker 1: I think that Orlando Scandrick, you know, a couple of
Speaker 1: people were worried when he went out of the game,
Speaker 1: but really that was just yeah thinks, So you know,
Speaker 1: I do feel better about that. Obviously. Cheetos still dealing
Speaker 1: with the hamstring, and Nolan Carroll, you know, still limited
Speaker 1: with the concussion, but they're getting back to a little
Speaker 1: bit of where they wore. I think we find out
Speaker 1: more today. Yeah, because yesterday was a walkthrough. Yeah, good point,
Speaker 1: and you could walk through Hitchens can walk through che
Speaker 1: could walk through, you could walk through it. Luis probably
Speaker 1: could do the whole thing. Very similar what coach was
Speaker 1: describing as an ox stard practice. And I know fans
Speaker 1: that have gone out to ox start and watch practice
Speaker 1: don't get an opportunity to watch the morning practice. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of Baseball Caps and shorts
Speaker 1: and T shirts and stuff like that, and you're kind
Speaker 1: of moving around and not not really trying to knock
Speaker 1: balls down, you know, not trying to run your route
Speaker 1: with full speed or anything coming off the line, but
Speaker 1: you know, it was it's moving around, and I think
Speaker 1: there was some positive things with it. Sound like that
Speaker 1: Carroll was limited. It sounded like that you talked about
Speaker 1: it Tay with Hitchens and a Woozier and Mickey's right,
Speaker 1: you're going to know a lot more today of how
Speaker 1: they're gonna probably go forward here with their practice. Can
Speaker 1: I ask a question real quick and and it's it's
Speaker 1: it pertaining to Nolan Carroll. If Nolan Carroll, does Nolan
Speaker 1: Carroll get his starting spot back from what you've seen
Speaker 1: guys with so far with Jordan Lewis and though with
Speaker 1: with Anthony Brown, you've got a solid starter in Scandrick.
Speaker 1: Is this one of those things where you know Nolan
Speaker 1: Carroll is gonna probably be put to the side because
Speaker 1: of better play. I would be awfully hesitant the way
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis is playing to all of a sudden cut
Speaker 1: down his snaps, because it seems like so far, the
Speaker 1: more he plays, the better he gets. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think and this is something you push four
Speaker 1: all camp. Like. The frustrating part with these guys, these
Speaker 1: young guys being hurt was that there wasn't that competition
Speaker 1: that you expected to see, right, So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: guys can continue playing into more snaps. That's what we
Speaker 1: expect from these rookies is to eventually play. And we've
Speaker 1: seeing it was Xavier Woods as well. And I up
Speaker 1: the Annie on the question, go ahead, do you expect
Speaker 1: him to keep his fifty three man spot? That's that's
Speaker 1: and you know what, I appreciate that's going to be
Speaker 1: a question next No, I appreciate you bringing that up.
Speaker 1: I really do. That's a big picture thought right there
Speaker 1: for next week. Wow, Well if you but him or
Speaker 1: Ben Wickery, David David Irving. Yeah, he's he's trying to
Speaker 1: get a defensive tackle on the on the roster that
Speaker 1: could help you, you know with some of that Deacon stuff.
Speaker 1: Put him at nose, let him go, I mean, or
Speaker 1: find it, you know, or I know you got Collins
Speaker 1: in there, but you know, maybe they don't have to
Speaker 1: play as much Deacon and maybe a day more. Nickel.
Speaker 1: When did they sign him ben Wickery was right before
Speaker 1: the season started. They picked him in the final cuts.
Speaker 1: So he and Carroll in the same boat of if
Speaker 1: they wanted to take their guaranteed bass salary right got cut,
Speaker 1: they would get it right. I was thinking he came later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the thing wouldn't save you any money. Yeah, I'll say this.
Speaker 1: You look around the roster. There's not an easy cut there,
Speaker 1: you know. There there's every guy's either a young guy
Speaker 1: you like, or there's they might have to find a
Speaker 1: linebacker too. If we're thinking, I mean we we talked
Speaker 1: about kind of hinted that things maybe better next week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I admire you for saying that, because that's a
Speaker 1: bigger picture thought right there, you know, has no discussion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as Nolan Carroll done enough. And that's the thing is,
Speaker 1: you know he got hurt unfortunately, bad game okay against
Speaker 1: the Giants, bad game against Denver. Didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to play this week. You know, he might be healthy
Speaker 1: enough that something. Coaches like those crutches, like the crutch
Speaker 1: and ben Wickery, he was active, but he really didn't
Speaker 1: get but a couple of snaps didn't do it, didn't
Speaker 1: get any They played special teams. Yeah, so because yeah,
Speaker 1: who is who would you rather have? That their their
Speaker 1: choice is going to be who would you rather have
Speaker 1: Ben Wickery or would you rather have Nolan Carroll? And
Speaker 1: obviously with Nolan Carroll being the starter, you know that
Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, you know, that's that's easy. That's easy
Speaker 1: to do. So I don't know, I think it's a
Speaker 1: I think it's a really when you're looking big picture,
Speaker 1: you think about you know, Garrett likes to talk about
Speaker 1: we think about today, but like the personnel, guys kind
Speaker 1: of think of, Okay, what's going to happen in the future,
Speaker 1: you know. By the way, the Rams now they had
Speaker 1: a regular practice yesterday they did and they had a
Speaker 1: lot out of a bunch of guys. Connor Barwin they're
Speaker 1: starting outside linebackers, but he didn't practice. LaMarcus Joiner had
Speaker 1: a hamstring. Their starting safety, he didn't practice. John Sullivan
Speaker 1: the center with a yep, that's key right there. In practice,
Speaker 1: um Andrew Whitworth took a rest day as well, resting
Speaker 1: Cavan Austin out with a concussion. Yeah, you're getting healthier
Speaker 1: in the secondary though, Webster they're starting corners back to practice.
Speaker 1: He missed the last two games. Yeah, right, and that's
Speaker 1: that's when we were talking about that Robie Coleman. It's
Speaker 1: two names, a hyphenated name, Roman Robie Coleman. He's number
Speaker 1: twenty three. He's been their starter. This team has given
Speaker 1: up a lot of big plays in the secondary. I
Speaker 1: mean they've given up a lot For a team that
Speaker 1: has as good a pass rush as they have, they
Speaker 1: give up some big, big, big play. Well, let's get
Speaker 1: to there. And they actually have less Oh okay, that's
Speaker 1: what I was going to get to. They actually have
Speaker 1: less sacks right now than the Cowboy. Yeah, that's ubsaying
Speaker 1: they do. Yeah, ten to eleven. Okay, So I don't
Speaker 1: start start with you, Mick. We are going to place
Speaker 1: and tell me more, tell you more. What do you
Speaker 1: want me to tell you more about? I got a
Speaker 1: lot to say today, do you. I don't know more
Speaker 1: about the Rams defense if I know enough about Michael Rockers.
Speaker 1: But that's my guy. The nose tackles six five, three
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, was the fourteenth pick in the twenty twelve
Speaker 1: draft out of LSU, by the way, and he's a
Speaker 1: load in the middle. And so everybody wants to talk
Speaker 1: about Donald and the linebackers Quinn um, but this guy
Speaker 1: you got to be able to neutralize him otherwise he
Speaker 1: will mess up your offense. Right now, he's got sixteen tackles,
Speaker 1: thirteen of them are solos. It's got four tackles for
Speaker 1: a loss. And I've ran into a new stat stuffs
Speaker 1: not just stuff, stuff stuff. He've stuffed three runs. I
Speaker 1: guess was without five years about right, so watch out
Speaker 1: for him. Stuffs. I appreciate, Mickey, Travis, Travis Frederick. You
Speaker 1: could have his hands fair and match all line up
Speaker 1: on him. Now. I assume they go to a four
Speaker 1: man line when they go to their their nickel. But
Speaker 1: again then he's in gaps and now you've got a
Speaker 1: problem there you go, this guy. Appreciate that, Mickey, because
Speaker 1: today in matchups, if you go on Dallas Cowboys dot com,
Speaker 1: Michael Brockers and Travis Frederick check it out two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty words of how and why. So that's you know,
Speaker 1: he's absolutely right. People focus on really on Quinn and
Speaker 1: Donald rightfully so, but Michael Brockers can wreckt your running
Speaker 1: game with that. With his size, he is unusually big
Speaker 1: nose tackle, I mean tall with length and you know
Speaker 1: He's probably better built to play as a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: which the Rams were very good defense as a four
Speaker 1: three front. But I really, uh, he's going to be
Speaker 1: a handful for Frederick to have to deal with, you know,
Speaker 1: when they have to try and snatch him to get
Speaker 1: that running game going so they can get the ball
Speaker 1: in behind him. Now bull have done it. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: they're they're twenty ninth against the run right now. Right,
Speaker 1: But he's he is a factor. He's a guy Carlott's
Speaker 1: hide pretty easily last week. Yeah, and I mean, granted
Speaker 1: that's a divisional game, but yeah, Brockers is for real.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that Cowboys might have drafted in twenty
Speaker 1: twelve if they hadn't trade up form Claiborne. That's a
Speaker 1: guy they were really look let him or Fletcher Cox.
Speaker 1: Yeah too, so many different matter of fact, the Rams,
Speaker 1: Sorry Tay, the Rams. I'm just walking all over you today.
Speaker 1: The Rams drafted him in Dallas's spot, So that just
Speaker 1: tells you, you know what they you know they could
Speaker 1: have got Yeah, sure, yep, and longtime guy, All right, Rob,
Speaker 1: who's your guy? Well, Brian, you stole mine on the
Speaker 1: email chain this morning, so I went with an obvious guy,
Speaker 1: but a guy that is so key to what they
Speaker 1: do defensively. The key is Aaron Donald absolutely left defensive end.
Speaker 1: He's he's moving to a slightly. It's technically he's a
Speaker 1: different position in the three four defense for Wade, but
Speaker 1: he's really so far he's doing the same things. He's
Speaker 1: playing the three technique one gap system. He's shaded over
Speaker 1: the guard and he's get up the field and trying
Speaker 1: to rush the passer. And he's one of the best
Speaker 1: interior linemen in the league, maybe the best at doing it.
Speaker 1: He's got twenty nine sacks in his first three plus
Speaker 1: seasons in the league, taking a few picks before Zack Martin,
Speaker 1: by the way in twenty fourteen, three Pro Bowls, All
Speaker 1: Pro the last two years. Question is is he rounded
Speaker 1: into shape? You know, he missed Week one, he's been
Speaker 1: holding out for a new deal. Played the last two
Speaker 1: games went in a span of four days, and ESPN
Speaker 1: reported he got one hundred and fifteen snaps in those
Speaker 1: two games, So he's getting a lot of work despite
Speaker 1: the fact that he wasn't with the team the entire summer.
Speaker 1: An interesting story. He worked out all off season with
Speaker 1: the same guy that trained him on away from high
Speaker 1: school and then in college, a guy who's a family friend.
Speaker 1: So you know, not your typical pro training in the office,
Speaker 1: and but it's gotten him ready for the season. He
Speaker 1: still looks good. He got a sack last week and
Speaker 1: you wrote about this yesterday. He almost got a pick
Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers two. Yeah, you know this.
Speaker 1: This is one of those guys to me that Rob
Speaker 1: gave it really good nail of what this player is
Speaker 1: and he's absolutely right. Wade plays that scheme when you
Speaker 1: play three four. He doesn't play a two gaps scheme
Speaker 1: table what we were talking about. When you extend and
Speaker 1: look and look, he is a gap player and go
Speaker 1: and I have a feeling that we're gonna see Wade
Speaker 1: put him over Chaz Green in this game. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: see if Chads Green can handle him one on one.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be. He plays both sides, but you watch
Speaker 1: him playing that three on the outside shoulder of Chaz Green,
Speaker 1: and he is a very disruptive player. Another one of
Speaker 1: those guys like Brockers, that once they get up the field,
Speaker 1: they cause the ball and the block and the blockers
Speaker 1: to have to go sideways and the ball goes back
Speaker 1: instead of going towards the line of scrimmage, it goes
Speaker 1: away from the line of scrimmage, and you know he
Speaker 1: can he can cause a lot of problems that way.
Speaker 1: Here's how good Aaron Donald is. When he was at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, even I could tell that guy was special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. He was the best player we saw that year.
Speaker 1: And he's only like six feet tall. He's Leroy Glover.
Speaker 1: He's le Roy Glover to me, he's a He's that
Speaker 1: similar type of a sick And I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: Garrett this question today and Christie Scales kind of got
Speaker 1: into the Aaron Donald question. I wanted to ask him
Speaker 1: because Zack Martin when they evaluated Zack Martin in that draft,
Speaker 1: Zack Martin, like Mickey said, we were at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl watching those reps every day, and Zach Martin was
Speaker 1: the only guy that can block him. He's the only guy.
Speaker 1: And it's all of a sudden you're thinking, Wow, we
Speaker 1: really love Aaron Donald. But here's this guard tackle from
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Yeah, yeah, we're thinking this looking at this
Speaker 1: tackle of Notre Dame playing guard and he's blocking him
Speaker 1: every single snap. So you're sitting there thinking, Wow, that's
Speaker 1: pretty special right there. But yeah, Aaron Donald, he reminds
Speaker 1: me so much of what le Roy Glover was when
Speaker 1: he played for the Cowboys, that disruptive kind of a player. Hey, well,
Speaker 1: we're going to get to the last two. Tell me more, guys.
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Speaker 1: that draft with you we talked about with Fletcher Cox
Speaker 1: and Brockers and Clayborn. Mark Barron was selected by the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers right after the Cowboys pick. There was
Speaker 1: a safety at Alabama and really never ever played well
Speaker 1: enough at safety to you know, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now there's a position switch and you know he's he's
Speaker 1: put on weight. He's still a little bit of a
Speaker 1: liability in the run. And now if the ball's going
Speaker 1: sideways and he has to go chase that, Mark Baron
Speaker 1: can do that. Mark Baron is one of those guys
Speaker 1: that you know, he's got a little he's got some
Speaker 1: quickness to him, he's got that ability to run. But
Speaker 1: his take on and you've seen offensive lineman when they
Speaker 1: get into him, and I'll be really interested to see
Speaker 1: in this football game because if he's not able to avoid,
Speaker 1: that's where I would take this football. I would run
Speaker 1: it right at Mark Baron. And you know, Alec Ogletree
Speaker 1: is a good linebacker for them as well. He was
Speaker 1: out of Georgia that was taken the year before, and
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that to me, I mean,
Speaker 1: I like I like Ogletree. But Baron is the liability.
Speaker 1: And so let's see how he plays in this game.
Speaker 1: The past coverage stuff underneath not a problem. But let's
Speaker 1: see him t having to take on Chaz Green. Let's
Speaker 1: see him having to deal with Travis Frederick. Let's see
Speaker 1: him having to deal with Zach Martin and see if
Speaker 1: he can get off those blocks, because if he can't,
Speaker 1: that's that's your soft spot where you need to run
Speaker 1: the football absolutely. All right, Well, I like what you
Speaker 1: said about him. Look out for Mark Baron and look
Speaker 1: out look out for him in a way that maybe
Speaker 1: take advantage of him. Let's let's pressure it that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Redskins game, when Redskins put up two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: yards rushing, was that those inside because out that Tree
Speaker 1: is a he's a converted outside. He's an outside linebacker. Two.
Speaker 1: When you make these switches to schemes sometimes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's not a perfect fit for every guy. So
Speaker 1: is that kind of the weak spot? Yeah, I the
Speaker 1: liability their defensive line, like you guys have talked about
Speaker 1: with the two players you mentioned, that's that's the strength.
Speaker 1: That's the strength of their group. But you get past
Speaker 1: that first level. In the second level, Ocal Tree can
Speaker 1: make plays, Baron can make plays, but it has to
Speaker 1: be a lateral play. The plays that go at them,
Speaker 1: they tend to have their their problems. So that's that's
Speaker 1: why I wanted to point that out. Giving up one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty nine yards of rushing a game, Like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go say it right now that I said
Speaker 1: the opposite when the cowboy he's played the Broncos, and
Speaker 1: I said, if the Broncos run for one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty yards, Cowboys are getting beat. If the Cowboys run
Speaker 1: for one hundred and forty yards, they win this game.
Speaker 1: This game, Z Gilly. It's the only running back out there.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go with a guy. We've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about the Redskins familiarity with this team. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Sean mcvagh coming from over there, Joe Barry, all those guys.
Speaker 1: But somebody from the Eagles came over to the Rams
Speaker 1: this past offseason and his name's Connor Barwin. Yeah, Connor
Speaker 1: Barwin has played the Cowboys eight times and had a
Speaker 1: lot of success when he goes up against them. He's
Speaker 1: had five sacks and thirty tackles. When he goes up
Speaker 1: against them, he would kind of, you know, get that
Speaker 1: DeLine going if it wasn't Fletcher Cox and everything. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Mickey told you a little bit earlier he had a
Speaker 1: rest date or yesterday because he is an older guy.
Speaker 1: But that familiarity, you know, sometimes breeds that competition. We
Speaker 1: saw Von Miller get hyped and those guys get hyped
Speaker 1: on that. But I just want to tell you guys.
Speaker 1: Connor Barwin is over there. If you guys have heard
Speaker 1: his name, what you have if you've been listening to
Speaker 1: this podcast. So yeah, I'll tell you what. That's good.
Speaker 1: That's good, and that's going to get Lyle Collins. They're
Speaker 1: on that right side. So yeah, good matchup over there.
Speaker 1: Another one of those guys that has quickness, length, all
Speaker 1: the things you described him perfectly, Tay, and you know
Speaker 1: he's a guy you definitely have to account for in
Speaker 1: the running game. He doesn't always play with a strong edge.
Speaker 1: He always doesn't set the edge. But when he gets
Speaker 1: in if it turns into a passing game, watch out
Speaker 1: because he can't attack that corner. No rest for the
Speaker 1: wicket over there for Loye Collins. Now keep rolling. Hey,
Speaker 1: I like what Mickey said about one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: nine yards rushing, and you know, if the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: get that in this game, they will they will come
Speaker 1: away with a win. So Zegiellett had a bounce back
Speaker 1: game on Monday night. We've just talked about how strong
Speaker 1: this d line is and how these guys can stop
Speaker 1: the run and block them. Hey, look away from Brockers.
Speaker 1: That was a lot of blocking and right there. But
Speaker 1: how can a Zigellett continue on pace and hopefully get
Speaker 1: back to the norm of of getting those hundred yard
Speaker 1: games in this game against this strong D line. Well,
Speaker 1: against the D line they've got the cable. Mickey's right though,
Speaker 1: they even up yards, But you know, you gotta still
Speaker 1: you gotta be alert of what's going on over there.
Speaker 1: I think with Elliot though, and I keep asking this,
Speaker 1: you know, and keep wondering this, it's about making those
Speaker 1: guys miss. They can't account for every single guy that
Speaker 1: the Rams or any defense is going to put in
Speaker 1: the box. They just can't do it. And so you know,
Speaker 1: if the Rams are committed, they've got to figure out that, Okay,
Speaker 1: do you want to do you want to give up
Speaker 1: the run to maybe hold up your your secondary Against
Speaker 1: the past, we've seen what Dak Prescott's been able to
Speaker 1: do throwing the football on the move. You know, that's
Speaker 1: that's something that that's been very very especially like the
Speaker 1: Arizona game, that was something We're starting to see those
Speaker 1: plays going down the field. The Rams got to figure
Speaker 1: it out, are we going to commit somebody down and
Speaker 1: we're going to try You know that we talked about
Speaker 1: Baron and him being a little bit of liabilly. Do
Speaker 1: they bring a safety down, do they allow the big plays?
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's it's about a little bit
Speaker 1: about Ezekiel Elliott. You know he got a little taste
Speaker 1: of some success last week. Again, get back to making
Speaker 1: those guys miss you know again, they can't account for everybody.
Speaker 1: I keep saying that they can't account for everybody. Here's
Speaker 1: how you account for everybody. First play a game. They
Speaker 1: better go four wide, play action and throw the ball
Speaker 1: forty yards down the field and see if they can
Speaker 1: stop it. Well, you know what makes start loosing it?
Speaker 1: It up? Yeah, to make people back off. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you can't keep banging your head against the wall. The
Speaker 1: wall's gonna win, right, So they've got to get away
Speaker 1: from handing Zeke the ball on first down to start
Speaker 1: the game. I want to see play action and just
Speaker 1: wing it and I don't care if it's incomplete or not.
Speaker 1: Just plant the seed that we ain't messing around here.
Speaker 1: Well they plant in the scene with Bryce Butler. I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, Bryce Butler showed him that they
Speaker 1: could do that this week. But also, you notice, guys,
Speaker 1: you didn't name anybody in their secondary when we did
Speaker 1: to tell me more game. And that makes me very
Speaker 1: excited because for the first three weeks there have been
Speaker 1: some big playmakers for the Apoure offences, especially in the secondary,
Speaker 1: and Dez Bryant has had a lot of hard matchups.
Speaker 1: This is the first week that I feel more comfortable,
Speaker 1: especially with him going up against a guy like Truemain Johnson.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's a good guy. You know they put the
Speaker 1: franchise tag on him. But will it be to Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant your first play. I don't care who it's too.
Speaker 1: I just want the ball going down the field to
Speaker 1: set the tone. And I don't want to wait to
Speaker 1: the third quarter to find Bryce Butler down the field
Speaker 1: right off the bat, and I don't care if it's incomplete,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Yeah, just wing it down the field
Speaker 1: and give them something to think about because they they've
Speaker 1: got to loosen up the front. And if you can't
Speaker 1: run through it, then you got to pass over it,
Speaker 1: and you might as well start there. And sometimes you
Speaker 1: got to use the pass to open up the run.
Speaker 1: Go ask Troy Aikman. It happened a lot use the pass.
Speaker 1: It helped the Arizona game. Yeah, dack him off and
Speaker 1: then start handing them. You know they talked about wearing
Speaker 1: him down. Well, okay, maybe they wore him down late
Speaker 1: in the game, but that what they also did is
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden Arizones going, oh yeah, maybe we better to vote
Speaker 1: somebody else to be back there and cover those deep passes.
Speaker 1: So Yo, Renny, go after them, Yo, Renny. I like that.
Speaker 1: You didn't you guys don't know who are you? TV
Speaker 1: show was called Rin Tin Tin Ben Tin Tintin. Good one, Mick,
Speaker 1: But can they capitalize on this poor secondary? Not poor secondary,
Speaker 1: but just a week give it? Big play? Yeah? But
Speaker 1: big play? Yeah? I mean you block, you blocked the
Speaker 1: front and you know you don't you keep the pressure
Speaker 1: off them. Yeah, absolutely they can. They've got the ability.
Speaker 1: Mickey's right, they could throw the ball down the field.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's in Dallas's DNA, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I just I just don't know if it's in scotland
Speaker 1: Ahan's DNA. Want to they want to run the ball.
Speaker 1: They want to run the ball. And I love what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Mickey, I really do, But I don't want
Speaker 1: to keep running into the wall. Yeah, what about more
Speaker 1: screens and quick outs? Well, you know, anything to you know,
Speaker 1: anything to kind of back them out of there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that they I just I just don't see Lenahan
Speaker 1: going that route, Tay, I really don't. I think he's
Speaker 1: I think he's like saying, Okay, we're gonna try and
Speaker 1: run this football, especially on first down. You know, you
Speaker 1: could play with numbers however you want, but this is
Speaker 1: one of those things. One of these times Dallas's offense
Speaker 1: is still seventh in the league when it comes to
Speaker 1: you know, forty six percent of the time they get
Speaker 1: four plus yards on first down. I know it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like that, but you know, if you look at there,
Speaker 1: if you look at their numbers, that's what it tells
Speaker 1: you that the problem is, Brian, is when they run
Speaker 1: the ball on first down, they're averaging like three three
Speaker 1: and a half yards. Yeah, well yeah, put them in
Speaker 1: second and long. Well, this is this is rushing. This
Speaker 1: is just I'm just saying, Macky, this is just rushing
Speaker 1: for four plus yards on first down. It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: You're right, it seems like they're banging their head against
Speaker 1: the wall. I totally agree with you on that, But
Speaker 1: is it any different than it was last year? I mean,
Speaker 1: this team ran the ball on first down last year
Speaker 1: and ran it effectively. Let me see you this though,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're devoting ten guys in the box here.
Speaker 1: I mean they've had trouble the last two games on
Speaker 1: the road. How many guys you think are in the
Speaker 1: box when they line up to two tight ends, Mickey,
Speaker 1: they're going eight? Can I can I give you? Can
Speaker 1: I give you a little stat here, Mickey, I think
Speaker 1: this is gonna make you smile. They've run against eight
Speaker 1: two thousand, two seventeen play selection on first and ten Ready,
Speaker 1: they've had seventy of them thirty five runs, thirty five passes.
Speaker 1: That puts them eighteenth in the league. They're fifty fifty
Speaker 1: the team that runs the ball more than they pass
Speaker 1: on first down, as Indianapolis Colts at seventy two. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys are at thirty five runs thirty five passes. They've
Speaker 1: averaged three point nine one on first down runs, like
Speaker 1: Mickey said, and they've averaged six point eight six on
Speaker 1: pass attempts in first down. Okay, so we've got conflicting
Speaker 1: stats because I looked up the first down stuff on
Speaker 1: NFL Jesus and they had thirty six runs averaging three
Speaker 1: point two eight yards and forty four passes averaging six
Speaker 1: point three nine. Yeah. This is from this is from
Speaker 1: stats Inc. This is what the team. This was from
Speaker 1: the NFL. So anyway, three three point two eight it's
Speaker 1: a lot different than four. Yeah. That means there's a
Speaker 1: lot of less than threes in there to get you
Speaker 1: to three point two eight. So he's gonna fight for
Speaker 1: balance when you're not. When you're not getting something on
Speaker 1: first down, you're struggling because then it's second and long.
Speaker 1: And even even if they're averaging six and a half
Speaker 1: yards passing on first down, that's that's dumping the ball underneath.
Speaker 1: I know you're saying to take a shot, but you're
Speaker 1: also risking an incompletion and being in second and ten
Speaker 1: and then I just want to plant the See. I
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, but I didn't say the whole time.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, first play, right. But you know the
Speaker 1: Denver game, they tried a little. They dip their toes
Speaker 1: trying to run the ball, didn't work, got away from it.
Speaker 1: Then they got behind. Well the first then you have
Speaker 1: no rhythm going in your running. What happened the first
Speaker 1: three plays against Arizona. I have to go back and
Speaker 1: look at it, you know, off the top of my
Speaker 1: head it was. It was a pint out, it was
Speaker 1: incompletion and the a three yard passed to Witton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just need to get some traction early. They need
Speaker 1: to get it. You know, this team led the league
Speaker 1: in five minute drives last year and we're I think
Speaker 1: right up there in terms of ten play drives. And
Speaker 1: that's their offense and they've just gotten out of they
Speaker 1: haven't been able to getting sync early in games. That's
Speaker 1: because they and then their other problem is they can't
Speaker 1: convert on third down. There. Last year they converted forty
Speaker 1: two percent of their third downs. This year they're at
Speaker 1: thirty four. Yeah, well the last two weeks they've been
Speaker 1: down seven nothing before they knew it too. Yep, you
Speaker 1: know that's been a problem. Absolutely, they have had some
Speaker 1: slow starts that way. Defensively, they just haven't you know,
Speaker 1: they haven't got anybody off the field. You well, win
Speaker 1: the coin toss, Win the coin toss. I like what
Speaker 1: Mickey saying though about, you know, giving him some different
Speaker 1: reads and something that the Cardinals saw last week, and
Speaker 1: that a couple of Cowboys fans have been rooting for
Speaker 1: maybe a couple more than that. But Dak Presscott had
Speaker 1: a rush touchdown, and he's had seven in his career.
Speaker 1: Four have come in primetime games. And when he does that,
Speaker 1: when he has a rush touchdown, the Cowboys are six
Speaker 1: and oh very good. Yeah, oh no, this is a
Speaker 1: noon start. This is a start. So you know, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe what I see though, is that his legs will
Speaker 1: be fresh, You'll be ready to go. So you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are now prepping with Dak learning to get
Speaker 1: more comfortable with the run. Right. Maybe you know he
Speaker 1: doesn't see the long pass, Mick, But what do you
Speaker 1: feel about him running on first down? I never don't
Speaker 1: want to start that. Well, I love it in the
Speaker 1: red zone. I love the zone read stuff they do
Speaker 1: there because it takes some of the pressure of Zeke
Speaker 1: and and we saw it last year. They're really effective
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm with Mickey, I don't I don't want
Speaker 1: him being RG three and running around and really risking
Speaker 1: his body when you think certain situations. Absolutely, when you
Speaker 1: think of that, you just think of two plays. The
Speaker 1: tackle he got pretzeled Denver and the dive into the
Speaker 1: end zone when he almost landed on his head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want a heavy dose of that. You're gonna
Speaker 1: lose your quarterback. Sure, look cool though, he boy, it
Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, fi a lot of that. And Cam
Speaker 1: Newton lilipped right over him, didn't he? Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is that Dak is a good
Speaker 1: rusher himself, and hey, hopefully if they get one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty nine yards plus, he's part of that. It's
Speaker 1: certainly an element they have to account for. And and
Speaker 1: this is is Brian point. I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: run defense. This is it's funny. And we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: with the Rams offense tomorrow. That's been the strongest part
Speaker 1: of this that has been the best part of their team.
Speaker 1: And Wade is an unbelievable defensive coordinator. But they haven't
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've quite figured it out yet.
Speaker 1: So what have they done wrong? I mean, they gave
Speaker 1: up thirty nine points to San Francisco. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a twenty seven to Washington. That what's been wrong? It's
Speaker 1: been the big place they are. They're one of the
Speaker 1: worst in the secondary when it comes to giving up
Speaker 1: big plays. They they their offense is one of the
Speaker 1: best when it comes to big places, especially on first down.
Speaker 1: But when they get when they get in, when they
Speaker 1: get in like long yardage situations, or they can't handle it, yeah,
Speaker 1: they give up place. They're one of the worst tackling
Speaker 1: teams after catch in the league. Actually there their thirty
Speaker 1: second in the league. Run after catch. They give up
Speaker 1: more yards than anybody else in the league. That's that's
Speaker 1: troubling right there. You throw a ball to somebody, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden's a seven yard game turns into a
Speaker 1: thirty seven yard game. Yeah, that's that's that's that's bad
Speaker 1: defense right there, big time. Now, a guy that has
Speaker 1: been active for the past two weeks, Noah Brown, we
Speaker 1: saw a little bit of last week. What can he
Speaker 1: really do in this game at all? How can Noah
Speaker 1: Brown contribute to the Cowboys offense this week? I think
Speaker 1: they like to use Noah Brown in their running situations.
Speaker 1: The crack toss, we saw the ball go on the outside.
Speaker 1: They liked the big body coming inside. It's a bigger
Speaker 1: body than what you normally see with Terrence Williams. Now,
Speaker 1: what they've got to do is they throw him a
Speaker 1: ball the other day, which is good. Get him in
Speaker 1: a route you know they're gonna they were gonna try
Speaker 1: and throw the ball to Terrence Williams underneath, and that
Speaker 1: the linebackers drove on him and it allowed it allowed
Speaker 1: Noah to go over the top. They had two level
Speaker 1: read and so Dakt was able to hit him. You've
Speaker 1: got to find ways to throw the ball to him
Speaker 1: if you can, because you don't want it to be
Speaker 1: one of those tendencies where all of a sudden, Noah
Speaker 1: Brown's coming in the game and you're running crack toss,
Speaker 1: crack toss, crack toss. Devin Street was here. When Street
Speaker 1: came into the game, you knew they were running. Yeah,
Speaker 1: same thing with Dwayne Harris. Yeah exactly. I mean big,
Speaker 1: but sometimes coaches are very cavalier and they say, you
Speaker 1: know what, We'll put him in there and we're gonna
Speaker 1: run the ball and we don't care with Noah though
Speaker 1: he is a big body guy. He can get the edge,
Speaker 1: you know, but make sure, like they did the other day,
Speaker 1: throw him a pass. That was a huge play in
Speaker 1: the game. It was a huge play in the game.
Speaker 1: Set up the touchdown, but yeah, absolutely helps. Definitely. All right, well,
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Speaker 1: we heard that Mickey did vote in today's poll. So
Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see if he got right with the
Speaker 1: face or if I remembered who I voted for exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: tell us, Mick, which RAMS player are you most concerned
Speaker 1: with in this matchup? Aaron Donald, Jared Off, Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: or Robert Quinn another pass rusher for the Rams. I
Speaker 1: believe I voted for Todd Gurley. M hmmm. Anybody got
Speaker 1: to vote, I would say Todd Gurley, Odd Gurley, I've
Speaker 1: voted for Golf. Wow, nobody's got Donald. The fans forty
Speaker 1: nine percent say Aaron Donald and Donald the biggest concern,
Speaker 1: followed by Gurley Golf at nine percent. Yeah, oh nine percent,
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn only four percent. Wow. I think because Robert
Speaker 1: Quinn will be going against Tyrant Smith. That's a pretty
Speaker 1: favorable matchup for you right there. It's interesting to me
Speaker 1: with about with golf and what they've able with McVay
Speaker 1: has been able to do with him. You gotta get
Speaker 1: him off off sequence though he's inside the thirty yard line.
Speaker 1: He's been incredible. He hasn't missed inside. They get it.
Speaker 1: They convert a lot of third downs inside the thirty.
Speaker 1: They they finish a lot of drives. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: they That's why they score. Their scoring has been so
Speaker 1: good is because the fact that golf has taken advantage
Speaker 1: of the receivers they got Watkins, Woods, Cooper Cup. These
Speaker 1: guys make plays for him and Gurley they throw the
Speaker 1: ball to him in the flat and he makes a play.
Speaker 1: You know, you got to find a way to disrupt
Speaker 1: him a little bit. I'm worried about him, especially if
Speaker 1: they if they get into a situation like we had
Speaker 1: early in the game against Arizona where free access and
Speaker 1: routes and no real rush and here we go just
Speaker 1: kind of players you go. Jared Goff has one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty three quarterback rating when thrown into type windows
Speaker 1: one yard or tighter open for him. So, hey, you're
Speaker 1: right what you're saying. Yeah, they's made some place. Would
Speaker 1: you vote for I didn't vote Mack. I just make
Speaker 1: the poll vote. You don't vote for your own pole
Speaker 1: master master you ever vote? You never do sometimes that's
Speaker 1: what I mean, bias. I think that's a fair you know,
Speaker 1: I want to just want to see very fair. I've
Speaker 1: vot it forgot with nine percent. That's terrible. Hey can
Speaker 1: you vote? I may say it's a pretty good poll.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty good poll because this team has a
Speaker 1: lot of talent the ball. You think you got a
Speaker 1: key on this guy. They may have to get girly
Speaker 1: conscious they're in trouble. Yeah, okay, well we're not in
Speaker 1: trouble because we have a color on the line. Nebbi
Speaker 1: is on the line, nebe what's your question? Uh uh
Speaker 1: uh hi, everyone listen. I know the Rams have a
Speaker 1: high powered um offense, so so so quite honestly, uh
Speaker 1: uh uh uh uh uh. In order to beat the Rams, uhh,
Speaker 1: we have to uh uh uh uh. We have to
Speaker 1: make our big plays in the passing game. Uh I
Speaker 1: could I convert on third down? Make sure that we
Speaker 1: get off the field on third down and limit the
Speaker 1: number a big place we give up, take care of
Speaker 1: Thanks for being patient with me, and have a great
Speaker 1: weekend and a great week bye. Thanks to Herrifemian nab
Speaker 1: Where you've been, Yeah, I bet he's been listening. Can't
Speaker 1: get through Yeah, hey, Nebbi knows. Okay, Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: recipe for Victor here. Yeah, he's He's right, though, you
Speaker 1: gotta get out. You can't take advantage of the rams.
Speaker 1: They're big place, get take advantage of their defense like that,
Speaker 1: but in limit limit what they do. And we just
Speaker 1: talked about golf and Woods and Watkins and and Gurley.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely right. You can not let those guys get
Speaker 1: rolling in this football game. Well, I like what Nebbie
Speaker 1: said about converting on third down. We know we just
Speaker 1: talked about that a little bit of struggle at exhaust.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's so unlike this Cowboys offense and
Speaker 1: with all the parts there. I think people are getting frustrated.
Speaker 1: Why that is, They're they're in way more. I need
Speaker 1: to go look at it. But they've got to be
Speaker 1: in more way more third and ten third and long
Speaker 1: than they were last year. For sure. It comes down
Speaker 1: we've talked about it down do that better. They'll be
Speaker 1: in much more run or pass. But winning on first
Speaker 1: down there, that's what you need to find. Went went
Speaker 1: on first down? Run or pass? They've been in too
Speaker 1: many third and six or longer. Yeah, and they're not
Speaker 1: converting very many of those. Absolutely not. Hey, I know
Speaker 1: we talk about staffs and we haven't really got to
Speaker 1: the NFC's because right now the Cowboys are pretty much
Speaker 1: up at the top with the Eagles. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: Washington one, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, everybody's at the top. Everyone's
Speaker 1: Giants exactly all has currently with statistically showing the Giants
Speaker 1: have the worst rushing offense and the worst rushing defense
Speaker 1: in all of football. That's surprising. A lot of pressure
Speaker 1: put on Eli manning this. Yeah, I mean that's surprising
Speaker 1: about the run defense. That really it is because you
Speaker 1: look at that d line that they put what two
Speaker 1: hundred million in it's it's that's true. It's they've spent
Speaker 1: a lot of money on that. Uh. Money can't buy
Speaker 1: you happiness. Yeah, but they didn't know. I'd like to
Speaker 1: try though a helicopter. Just give me a shot and
Speaker 1: make you give me that. I'll be fine. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: it's not it's it's not surprising that their offenses struggled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're one of the they're one of those teams
Speaker 1: when you look at and you talk about teams that
Speaker 1: have the ability to convert inside the thirty yard line
Speaker 1: to get into the red zone. Giants don't have a
Speaker 1: Giants don't have a conversion yet inside the thirty yard line.
Speaker 1: They're over four and converting, you know, and they just
Speaker 1: they don't And it's it's been it's a problem they
Speaker 1: don't score. You know. Then ultimately it's a you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're losing games. I mean, they got beat on
Speaker 1: a sixty one yard field goal the other day, but
Speaker 1: but they had when your season is not going, but
Speaker 1: they had to score twenty four points in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter just to get back in the game. Well, we
Speaker 1: talked about it before week one. I mean, they didn't
Speaker 1: really address their offensive lines. They didn't help your running game.
Speaker 1: You got a thirty six year old quarter back who's
Speaker 1: under pressure. It's not a good don't run. Yeah, even
Speaker 1: gonna have all the weapons in the world, Yeah, field
Speaker 1: girls aren't gonna win games. They've been kind of their
Speaker 1: enemy because Matt Prater made that one that looked like
Speaker 1: it was just not going in at all. And then
Speaker 1: Elliott gets the sixty one yarder and did you guys
Speaker 1: see that Carson Wentz was miked up during the game
Speaker 1: and they were filming him during this, you know, while
Speaker 1: Elliott was going out there lining up and he goes
Speaker 1: he makes this, I'm giving him my game check. I'm
Speaker 1: giving him my game check. Did you see that? I
Speaker 1: heard about it? Yeah. And then so what happened? Did
Speaker 1: charity run up very closely? Yes, charity giving it the chair.
Speaker 1: That's cool charity, I mean, even though I'm sure Elliot
Speaker 1: would have been happy to be ninety seven thousand dollars
Speaker 1: plus more. Thinking if I'm a rookie kicker, I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta take that. There's my money right there, Mickey,
Speaker 1: Mike chairit. Yeah, no, they're gonna that's what I heard.
Speaker 1: They're gonna do his choice of charity. It's yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: I like that, yeah hey. And then Deshaun Watson, obviously
Speaker 1: quarterback who almost was able to beat the Patriots last week,
Speaker 1: is giving his game check to three employees of Energy
Speaker 1: Stage m who were greatly affected by Hurricane Harvey. And
Speaker 1: they had a very nice video. Obviously, Texas we came
Speaker 1: together strong for that. So check out that video because
Speaker 1: that was a nice thing for the rookie quarterback. So
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of really good guys
Speaker 1: in this league. There are there are a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that have come from nothing and appreciate the fact
Speaker 1: that they there are where they are right now, and
Speaker 1: they're willing to share. If you remember Deshaun Watson, his
Speaker 1: family got a house from work Done. You remember the
Speaker 1: running back. I don't know, Tay, it might be a
Speaker 1: little maybe, Yeah, Yeah, work Done with the Florida State
Speaker 1: and started a program building homes for single moms and
Speaker 1: he was one of the first that was able to
Speaker 1: get or he got a home from work Done. So
Speaker 1: he benefited from an NFL player stepping forward. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: a lot of really guys with big hearts in this league.
Speaker 1: Work Done was like doing that on a once a
Speaker 1: year once a year. Yeah, he was building a home
Speaker 1: for a single mom. It isn't he You know, I
Speaker 1: think we'd talk a lot about this game, and this
Speaker 1: game is very important, but I think it's nice sometimes
Speaker 1: when we have this opportunity to talk about and highlight
Speaker 1: these great guys. You know, there are different guys around
Speaker 1: the league who are continually trying to do better. So absolutely,
Speaker 1: but that was neat to see Deshaun Watson yesterday. Very cool.
Speaker 1: I knew that in a little bit earlier. I know,
Speaker 1: we were talking about Todd Gurley and we'll really get
Speaker 1: into the Rams offense tomorrow, but Todd Gurley is the
Speaker 1: only player in the NFL to lead his team and
Speaker 1: carry his touchdowns and reception. So if you shut him down,
Speaker 1: he's just a great flat Yeah, we'll talk about him tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but man, he's one of those guys. It's probably benefit
Speaker 1: the quarterback has benefited the most, Yeah, from the coaching
Speaker 1: change and then the fact that the Rams went out
Speaker 1: and helped him with some better talent around him. Offensive
Speaker 1: line talent, receiver talent. You know. That's that's that's a
Speaker 1: big commitment. And the quarterback talent there too. So how
Speaker 1: we've been talking to dumped the ball to him that much.
Speaker 1: He's a leading scorer in the NFL. Flat pass, Mickey,
Speaker 1: get ready for it, up the field, flat and up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll really get into but how you guys are talking today.
Speaker 1: It kind of gives me some optimism because two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: we're sitting here getting ready for the Broncos game, and
Speaker 1: we're talking about how insane this Broncos defenses and how
Speaker 1: they're just so powerful. No one has the personnel like
Speaker 1: them in the league. And you know, the Cowboys, their
Speaker 1: offense was still struggling a little bit, but the Cowboys
Speaker 1: defense was doing better and everything, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of a mismatch game and it ended up being a
Speaker 1: lopsided score at the end of the game. But on
Speaker 1: the other side of this, it sounds like this game
Speaker 1: could be more in the favor of the Cowboys having
Speaker 1: a strong defense, but a strong offense, an offense that
Speaker 1: can attack their weak defense. Right now, Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think being at home too will help the crowd and
Speaker 1: the silent count and all that stuff, and especially Denver,
Speaker 1: but Arizona too. It creates problems for your communication offensively,
Speaker 1: I think being at home should be able to help.
Speaker 1: And you pointed out, you know, they haven't been perfect defensively.
Speaker 1: They do have a good defensive front though, and it
Speaker 1: is going to be imperative to block those guys up front.
Speaker 1: I like what you said about home field home field
Speaker 1: advantage was something that a lot of people questioned at
Speaker 1: the beginning of last season. Obviously, after the Week one
Speaker 1: lost to the Giants, they went on to win all
Speaker 1: of their home games. Has it greatly improved? Well, A
Speaker 1: noon game on Sunday against the Rams give them that
Speaker 1: edge this week? I think so. I think. I think
Speaker 1: it's a big people will still be sleeping. They'll be sleeping,
Speaker 1: not us. Mickey will be there at seven thirty am.
Speaker 1: Rather play there at Denver? Oh No, I'd rather play
Speaker 1: at home. Okay, I'm just saying, don't think that. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I'm talking about offense too much
Speaker 1: of noon games at home here that the fans aren't
Speaker 1: real fired up for. Yeah, I you know, I I
Speaker 1: There's been a time, you know, before even Dak and
Speaker 1: Zeeke came where it was a struggle at home. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett had to ask answer a lot of questions about,
Speaker 1: you know, why are you playing so well on the
Speaker 1: road and not playing well at home? And you know,
Speaker 1: last year kind of turned things around. If you look.
Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, when the crowd, you know,
Speaker 1: he always says though this too, and it just came
Speaker 1: in my head. You gotta give them reason to cheer. Yet,
Speaker 1: you gotta give them reason to get into the football game.
Speaker 1: And you know, if they have a start like they
Speaker 1: did against Arizona that that I'm from Dallas, I'll admit this.
Speaker 1: We're a front running team. We're a front running crowd,
Speaker 1: you know, and so you know, if things are going well,
Speaker 1: we tend to kind of go with it and be
Speaker 1: part of it. If not, then we struggle with that.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like they need to get off
Speaker 1: to a really good start. That's captain obvious. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: about that, but but they really do need to get
Speaker 1: it off to it, especially with the noon game. You know,
Speaker 1: get off to a good start, get the crowd into it.
Speaker 1: You know, the last time I remember the Rams playing here,
Speaker 1: they weren't very good, and you know, uh Sam Bradford
Speaker 1: was playing quarterback and a back went for two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards or something like that, and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it was a great win for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Brian moment, Oh no, that was in That was the
Speaker 1: the game. It was played. That game was played in
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. The Proud Brian god Bryan was born in St. Louis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Proud Brian at home against the Rams was the
Speaker 1: the Marco Murray game and they just they mauled Sam
Speaker 1: Bradford that game, and they need that similar type of
Speaker 1: They need to get going on a role again like
Speaker 1: they did last year. Hey, I like hearing that. I
Speaker 1: like hearing that. Well, Dak be able to maul this
Speaker 1: defense though. I just want to see Dad have another
Speaker 1: consecutive good game. Yeah, it's to me, it's it's about
Speaker 1: the balance. It's about and I appreciate what Mickey said
Speaker 1: about throwing the football. I think he's right about that.
Speaker 1: I think you have to take advantage of the situations
Speaker 1: that are played to you. The Rams, you know, they've
Speaker 1: got the front. I mean, they're capable of making play.
Speaker 1: Have they made plays defensively? Know, all it takes is
Speaker 1: one game. You know, we saw what happened to Cowboys
Speaker 1: against Denver. They got mauled in that game where they
Speaker 1: do to Arizona. They mauled Arizona once they settled down
Speaker 1: and started, you know, playing the assignments and they got
Speaker 1: pressure and things started clicking for him a little bit better.
Speaker 1: So all it takes is one time. You don't want
Speaker 1: to poke the bear with a stick too much. But yeah,
Speaker 1: take advantage of what you're gonna and that means Dak,
Speaker 1: if it means having to read option outside throws, be consistent.
Speaker 1: Don't put him in a lot of situations where he's
Speaker 1: the one having to make every single play that that's
Speaker 1: not fair to him. This their quarterbacks Golf, Jarrett Golf
Speaker 1: has has thrived with guys around him making plays. We
Speaker 1: thought coming into the season, Dak Prescott was not going
Speaker 1: to have a sophomore slump because of the players around him.
Speaker 1: Those guys need to make some placeful They need to
Speaker 1: pick up their game. Yeah, Wide receivers need to run
Speaker 1: better routes and catch the ball. Yeah, they got They
Speaker 1: got a couple of guys that made plays the other day,
Speaker 1: you know they had They had a couple of When
Speaker 1: you look at what Bryce Butler was able to do
Speaker 1: and Williams is able to do that, that goes to
Speaker 1: Mickey's point. That just shows you right there, when they
Speaker 1: do have receivers that make plays, they're capable of having
Speaker 1: success on offense and the run game. When they won
Speaker 1: thirteen games last year, he averaged thirty attempts a game.
Speaker 1: And that's when you think about he plays is in
Speaker 1: a football game that's fifty fifty and they need to
Speaker 1: get back to that. Fifty attempts in Denver was crazy.
Speaker 1: Eighteen is an anomaly too. You never get forty four
Speaker 1: plays in a football game. So they need to win
Speaker 1: and win. Yeah, I mean, that's that's what's incredible. They
Speaker 1: need to get back to that balance. Just don't fall
Speaker 1: behind by twenty five points. Yeah, talked about Cole Beasley getting,
Speaker 1: you know, more protection than he's ever seen a lot
Speaker 1: in this Arizona game. How can he take advantage of
Speaker 1: the defense for the Rams to kind of have the
Speaker 1: production we've seen from him with Dak. Yeah, he thinks
Speaker 1: about winning on the outside, but if des can win
Speaker 1: on the outside, that kind of clogs saying a little
Speaker 1: things a little bit in the middle for him. I
Speaker 1: mean that that and the running game. To me, if
Speaker 1: Dez can take care take care of his opportunities outside,
Speaker 1: that would that would really help things. Yeah. They He's
Speaker 1: come ups against some really some very good slot players
Speaker 1: and even last week Arizona put a safety inside on
Speaker 1: third down. Teams have understood that Cole Beasley might not
Speaker 1: beat you on first and set down where Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: can kill you is on third down, especially third and six,
Speaker 1: third and five, whatever, he can kill you on those
Speaker 1: pivot routes and stuff like that. So people have figured
Speaker 1: out that, hey, don't let him have the ability to
Speaker 1: change directions on you don't let him if you put
Speaker 1: a guy inside and a guy outside, you're gonna take
Speaker 1: away his ability to play to his strength, which is
Speaker 1: his lateral quickness. So yeah, he's gonna you know, he's
Speaker 1: now gonna find a way to Okay, I know I'm
Speaker 1: getting some double coverage down on third down. You know,
Speaker 1: I've gotta be a little bit smarter what I need
Speaker 1: to do, how I need to escape, you know, And
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have to be a little bit smarter saying okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's find somebody else here, Let's find you. If guys
Speaker 1: like Williams start making plays and Butler starts making Witten,
Speaker 1: you know, is going to make a play throwing the
Speaker 1: ball to Ezekiel Elliot outside on the screen and him
Speaker 1: making a play that all of a sudden now will
Speaker 1: spread things out and now will no longer allow people
Speaker 1: to double team Cole Beasley. Yes, exactly. Now we have
Speaker 1: going to get into the Cowboys defense versus the Rams
Speaker 1: offense became is. Yesterday we told you that DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: one NFC Defensive Player of the week. Well now he
Speaker 1: has one NFC Defensive Player of the month of course,
Speaker 1: with six point five sacks, he is leading the league.
Speaker 1: But on the other side of that, we just told
Speaker 1: you Todd Gurley's doing great. So now we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into it tomorrow. But you've got Todd Gurley the NFC
Speaker 1: Offensive Player of the month and now you've go righting
Speaker 1: up against DeMarcus Lawrence. So it'll be a great show
Speaker 1: and you guys should join us tomorrow at eleven thirty am.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back here in the SWBC Morgage studio.
Speaker 1: So for Mickey, Rob Bryan, I'm Taylor and we'll see tomorrow.
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