WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Recipe For A Week 4 Win 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:09.000 This. He is Talking Cowboys Screaming live on Dallas Cowboys 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:17.799 dot com and the official Dallas Cowboys as Joys No 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:23.239 Your hosts Mickey's Fagnola, Brian broad Ess, Taylor Stern, and 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:28.120 Rob Phillips. Hello, everyone, and welcome into today's edition of 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:32.560 Talking Cowboys, finally at our normal time of eleven thirty 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.760 am Central Time, coming to you live from the SWBC 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:40.040 Mortgage Studio, of course, joined by Mickey, Rob, Brian myself. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.600 We are going to finally really dive into this Rams game. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:45.760 But before we do that, I have to know, how 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:50.360 are you guys doing? Fantastic? Mickey's wearing some Rams colors 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.880 over there? Is that a fantastic? Yeah? O? Our brothers 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:56.960 at one of five three gold do you see this? 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.520 They're wearing blue and green on the other side, Ramsey, 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.320 and and you're wearing the gold Rams over there. And 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.600 what do you got on white? I'm just neutral black 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.560 and white here the visiting white, visiting white. So, if 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.759 you guys are listening, sorry, but if you watch on 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.880 connected radio or our app, yeah you see that, because 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.319 I should all download our connected TV devices. You are 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.800 kind of ramtastic, aren't you? Ramtastic? Yeah, well I just 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:21.840 needed a little blue. But I've got that tie to 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.319 wear today for TV. That's the Michael Irvin approach, you know. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.840 He wears on the NFL game day, the opposing opponent Colors. 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.160 And yesterday we cleared some things up here in the 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.600 training table. We're lucky to have Michael Irvin around sometimes. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:40.200 And he was he was walking with Mickey and I said, hey, Michael, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.080 Mickey gave me a hard time today because I said that. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.200 You know, the other day Todd Griley was giving you 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.080 a hard time about whooping up on the Cowboys, and 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:53.440 it goes he was seriously joking. It's like when you say, like, hey, 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.120 that shirt doesn't look that good. Yeah, just kidding, Yeah, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.560 are kidding, just kidding. There's always a little truth in 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.160 every joke, you know. Is yeah, there's a lot of 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:05.240 truth in every joke. Well, that's that's pointant. That's a 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.880 that's another quote for Mickey. That will write that down 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.360 in the book of quotes. All right, So Shaun Lee 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.040 didn't do anything yesterday. Of course, it was just basically 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:19.639 a walk through practice and air quotes. He didn't do anything, 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.040 and a lot of people are starting to worry of course, 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.160 with the short week, and if he will be able 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.760 to play this week, what do you guys think. I 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:28.800 think they should be worried. I bet he doesn't do 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.040 anything today, yep, and he may not do anything tomorrow, 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.600 and then about ten o'clock on Sunday they'll check and 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.360 see if he can do a lot on Sunday. I 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.280 just think that they're going to let him rest as 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.760 much as he can. And I think he's the one 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.119 player who probably can get away with playing a game 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.240 without practicing a whole heck of a lot. So I 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.480 just don't expect him to do much this week. Very 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.160 similar scheme to what the Redskins have done over the years, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.240 you know, and Shaun Lee's faced the Sean McVay Redskin attack, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.760 you know the last couple of seasons. Kind of understand that, hey, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.720 it's gonna be about a lot of play action passes, 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.519 there's gonna be a lot of big players in the game, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.239 and you gotta be ready for all that. So you know, 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:13.040 I'm I'm from the approach that usually when guys don't 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.320 practice Friday, they don't play. Yeah, that's you know, you've 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.600 seen me. Mickey likes to make fun of not make fun. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.239 He always you're out and I I'm one of those 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.160 guys that you know, but we've we've seen. I mean, 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.920 Anthony Hitchins was a game time guy one time against 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.280 the Colts. But hey, Piot didn't really do much. I 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.160 had to do anything. Well, he he worked out on 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.800 his own out. Yeah, and I just it's one of 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:37.560 those things with Sean Lee. And you know with the 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:41.240 hamstring you're going to you're gonna win the battle or 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.520 you want to win the war. You know that that's 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.880 you know, you gotta buye week coming up and stuff 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.240 like that. So I mean, you know, do you get 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.720 him ready for Green Bay? Do you feel like and that, Okay, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.440 I'm not gonna win. Well I shouldn't say not win. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.040 You're gonna lose the hamstring battle here, but is it 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.880 gonna help you maybe win that war against Green Bay? 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.160 I've been dealing with those hamstrings. Were you there when 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.680 he talked about it yesterday? It's a little off the 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.240 locker room. I heard secondhand. It wasn't off the record. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.200 It was off to the side. Yeah, Well, so what 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.200 he said what he said, it wasn't he said it 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:22.239 wasn't as bad as some of the other ones he had, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:26.200 but he said, I'll just test it and we'll see. 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:30.240 So well to Brian's pretty vague about just where he 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.040 was at Brian's point whenever, and they've had some injury 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.400 hamstring issues with guys already this camp. They always say, 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.520 you don't want to turn into a six week injury. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.240 He is too important to what they do, absolutely, so 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:43.800 I think if they need to err on the side 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.520 of caution, they will. The interesting thing to Meeta is 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.800 you look at this roster and if Hitchens isn't ready 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.520 to go, which Garrett said as well, if he does 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.400 anything today, he'll be very limited. You got four healthy 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.200 linebackers on your roster right now, so what do you 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.440 do if you don't have either one of them? And 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.400 you know, you've got a fullback who used to play linebackers, 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.440 so there's some things they can do, but you're awfully 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.800 thin at that position. I talked to Anthony Hitchins in 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.640 the locker room yesterday, was off to the side and 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:13.960 Anthony but on the record, yeah, he's a great guy. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.720 I really enjoy him and he's very just trying to 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.760 be accurate, that's all. Hey appreciate it. Ramsey anyway, So 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.159 Anthony Hitchins, great guy, he's talking. You know, he's excited 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.440 to get back to practice this week. You know, he 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.720 said that he feels like he will be able to 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.040 do stuff this week, get out there, get more comfortable. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:32.920 He obviously didn't know if he was going to be 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.000 able to play. That's really not his decision, right, but 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.640 he was anxious to get out to practice. I mean, 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.039 he looks good. He's been working out every day here, 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.520 even when they've been on the road. You know, he 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.200 said he's just hungry to get back there because he 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.560 was so happy with what was going on in the 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.400 preseason's outstanding, great camp. Yeah, so he's ready to get back. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.320 The linebacker situation might be really good. We get to 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.320 this Screen Bay game next week. Yeah yeah, wait a 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.719 little longer and it might turn out. Now, this is 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.280 some you have to think about as well. They play 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.599 a lot of Mickey's Dime stuff. You know that that 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.479 Deacon front they play, and you only need two linebackers 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.880 to play that. So if all of a sudden and 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.320 I asked to Cooper cup question today, you know they're 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.000 gonna get a lot of eleven personnel for the for 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.640 the rams. That's how they attack you. And so it 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.360 might mean let's kay, let's play three down lineman, two 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.760 linebackers and then the rest, you know, defensive backs. You 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.039 feel good about those young guys. Now you got a 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:30.960 couple of those cats nicked up a little bit, but 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.240 that might be their way of getting around things where 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.560 they can go where they don't have to have but 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.960 four linebackers to dress. The cool thing about this discussion, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.560 and like you said, you play those subpackas at least 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.680 in base and maybe in some subwork. We're not talking 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:50.159 about Jalen Smith as like a liability snaps Wise's pencil 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.280 and him in for however many snaps you need me 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.839 to play well. The liability question became asked to Jason 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.440 Garrett today was Justin Durant. Does Justin Durant play enough? 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.240 And he played thirties. I think you looked thirty two 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.560 snaps the other day. That's okay, that's what you're going 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.479 to need Justin Durant to do. So, Yeah, I don't 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.480 Should you be worried about Sean Lee, Yes, absolutely, because 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.960 of what he brings every week to the defense. Other 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.679 ways they can work around it. Yes, there are ways 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.960 they can work around it, but you know, we'll see 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:21.760 how they have to go to that route. Yeah. On 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.440 the more positive note, Jordan lewis pretty much ready to 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.200 go now. A lot of people were worried about his 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.600 hamstring and he wasn't even on the practice report yesterday, 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.800 so it's good to see that, especially with those secondary woes. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.280 I think that Orlando Scandrick, you know, a couple of 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:36.800 people were worried when he went out of the game, 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.000 but really that was just yeah thinks, So you know, 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.160 I do feel better about that. Obviously. Cheetos still dealing 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.160 with the hamstring, and Nolan Carroll, you know, still limited 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.080 with the concussion, but they're getting back to a little 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.960 bit of where they wore. I think we find out 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:56.280 more today. Yeah, because yesterday was a walkthrough. Yeah, good point, 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.280 and you could walk through Hitchens can walk through che 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.200 could walk through, you could walk through it. Luis probably 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.440 could do the whole thing. Very similar what coach was 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.760 describing as an ox stard practice. And I know fans 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.000 that have gone out to ox start and watch practice 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.920 don't get an opportunity to watch the morning practice. So 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.000 you know, it's a lot of Baseball Caps and shorts 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:17.840 and T shirts and stuff like that, and you're kind 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.560 of moving around and not not really trying to knock 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.040 balls down, you know, not trying to run your route 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.920 with full speed or anything coming off the line, but 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.600 you know, it was it's moving around, and I think 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.800 there was some positive things with it. Sound like that 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.880 Carroll was limited. It sounded like that you talked about 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.679 it Tay with Hitchens and a Woozier and Mickey's right, 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.080 you're going to know a lot more today of how 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.520 they're gonna probably go forward here with their practice. Can 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:48.920 I ask a question real quick and and it's it's 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:53.760 it pertaining to Nolan Carroll. If Nolan Carroll, does Nolan 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.520 Carroll get his starting spot back from what you've seen 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:02.439 guys with so far with Jordan Lewis and though with 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.800 with Anthony Brown, you've got a solid starter in Scandrick. 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.720 Is this one of those things where you know Nolan 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.240 Carroll is gonna probably be put to the side because 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.960 of better play. I would be awfully hesitant the way 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.160 Jordan Lewis is playing to all of a sudden cut 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.680 down his snaps, because it seems like so far, the 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.520 more he plays, the better he gets. So yeah, I 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.719 mean I think and this is something you push four 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.280 all camp. Like. The frustrating part with these guys, these 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.600 young guys being hurt was that there wasn't that competition 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.280 that you expected to see, right, So yeah, I think 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.680 guys can continue playing into more snaps. That's what we 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.719 expect from these rookies is to eventually play. And we've 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.560 seeing it was Xavier Woods as well. And I up 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.200 the Annie on the question, go ahead, do you expect 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.320 him to keep his fifty three man spot? That's that's 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.440 and you know what, I appreciate that's going to be 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.079 a question next No, I appreciate you bringing that up. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.760 I really do. That's a big picture thought right there 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.920 for next week. Wow, Well if you but him or 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.599 Ben Wickery, David David Irving. Yeah, he's he's trying to 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.880 get a defensive tackle on the on the roster that 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.839 could help you, you know with some of that Deacon stuff. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.560 Put him at nose, let him go, I mean, or 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.600 find it, you know, or I know you got Collins 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:15.680 in there, but you know, maybe they don't have to 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.880 play as much Deacon and maybe a day more. Nickel. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.920 When did they sign him ben Wickery was right before 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.720 the season started. They picked him in the final cuts. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.880 So he and Carroll in the same boat of if 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:30.760 they wanted to take their guaranteed bass salary right got cut, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.800 they would get it right. I was thinking he came later. Yeah, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.079 the thing wouldn't save you any money. Yeah, I'll say this. 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.040 You look around the roster. There's not an easy cut there, 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.200 you know. There there's every guy's either a young guy 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.480 you like, or there's they might have to find a 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.640 linebacker too. If we're thinking, I mean we we talked 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.679 about kind of hinted that things maybe better next week. Yeah, 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.560 but I admire you for saying that, because that's a 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:57.559 bigger picture thought right there, you know, has no discussion. Yeah, 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.760 as Nolan Carroll done enough. And that's the thing is, 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:04.440 you know he got hurt unfortunately, bad game okay against 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.160 the Giants, bad game against Denver. Didn't get a chance 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.720 to play this week. You know, he might be healthy 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.840 enough that something. Coaches like those crutches, like the crutch 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.640 and ben Wickery, he was active, but he really didn't 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.720 get but a couple of snaps didn't do it, didn't 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.800 get any They played special teams. Yeah, so because yeah, 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.079 who is who would you rather have? That their their 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.160 choice is going to be who would you rather have 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.800 Ben Wickery or would you rather have Nolan Carroll? And 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.080 obviously with Nolan Carroll being the starter, you know that 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.000 you're thinking, well, you know, that's that's easy. That's easy 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.559 to do. So I don't know, I think it's a 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.680 I think it's a really when you're looking big picture, 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.040 you think about you know, Garrett likes to talk about 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.520 we think about today, but like the personnel, guys kind 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.080 of think of, Okay, what's going to happen in the future, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.679 you know. By the way, the Rams now they had 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.360 a regular practice yesterday they did and they had a 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.440 lot out of a bunch of guys. Connor Barwin they're 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:05.839 starting outside linebackers, but he didn't practice. LaMarcus Joiner had 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.400 a hamstring. Their starting safety, he didn't practice. John Sullivan 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.679 the center with a yep, that's key right there. In practice, 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.559 um Andrew Whitworth took a rest day as well, resting 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.080 Cavan Austin out with a concussion. Yeah, you're getting healthier 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.600 in the secondary though, Webster they're starting corners back to practice. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.040 He missed the last two games. Yeah, right, and that's 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.040 that's when we were talking about that Robie Coleman. It's 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.200 two names, a hyphenated name, Roman Robie Coleman. He's number 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.040 twenty three. He's been their starter. This team has given 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.640 up a lot of big plays in the secondary. I 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.199 mean they've given up a lot For a team that 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.840 has as good a pass rush as they have, they 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.319 give up some big, big, big play. Well, let's get 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.600 to there. And they actually have less Oh okay, that's 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.199 what I was going to get to. They actually have 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.600 less sacks right now than the Cowboy. Yeah, that's ubsaying 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.480 they do. Yeah, ten to eleven. Okay, So I don't 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.240 start start with you, Mick. We are going to place 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.320 and tell me more, tell you more. What do you 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:05.920 want me to tell you more about? I got a 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.679 lot to say today, do you. I don't know more 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.480 about the Rams defense if I know enough about Michael Rockers. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.360 But that's my guy. The nose tackles six five, three 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.600 hundred pounds, was the fourteenth pick in the twenty twelve 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:23.760 draft out of LSU, by the way, and he's a 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.839 load in the middle. And so everybody wants to talk 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:33.000 about Donald and the linebackers Quinn um, but this guy 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.280 you got to be able to neutralize him otherwise he 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.200 will mess up your offense. Right now, he's got sixteen tackles, 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.600 thirteen of them are solos. It's got four tackles for 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:48.120 a loss. And I've ran into a new stat stuffs 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.760 not just stuff, stuff stuff. He've stuffed three runs. I 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:58.960 guess was without five years about right, so watch out 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:03.480 for him. Stuffs. I appreciate, Mickey, Travis, Travis Frederick. You 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.880 could have his hands fair and match all line up 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.079 on him. Now. I assume they go to a four 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.640 man line when they go to their their nickel. But 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.839 again then he's in gaps and now you've got a 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.480 problem there you go, this guy. Appreciate that, Mickey, because 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.000 today in matchups, if you go on Dallas Cowboys dot com, 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.160 Michael Brockers and Travis Frederick check it out two hundred 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.400 and fifty words of how and why. So that's you know, 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.360 he's absolutely right. People focus on really on Quinn and 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.440 Donald rightfully so, but Michael Brockers can wreckt your running 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.360 game with that. With his size, he is unusually big 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.480 nose tackle, I mean tall with length and you know 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.400 He's probably better built to play as a defensive tackle, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.040 which the Rams were very good defense as a four 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.480 three front. But I really, uh, he's going to be 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.800 a handful for Frederick to have to deal with, you know, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.720 when they have to try and snatch him to get 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:58.760 that running game going so they can get the ball 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.840 in behind him. Now bull have done it. Yeah right, 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.960 they're they're twenty ninth against the run right now. Right, 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.640 But he's he is a factor. He's a guy Carlott's 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.600 hide pretty easily last week. Yeah, and I mean, granted 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.920 that's a divisional game, but yeah, Brockers is for real. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.720 He's a guy that Cowboys might have drafted in twenty 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.080 twelve if they hadn't trade up form Claiborne. That's a 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.080 guy they were really look let him or Fletcher Cox. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.080 Yeah too, so many different matter of fact, the Rams, 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.640 Sorry Tay, the Rams. I'm just walking all over you today. 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.800 The Rams drafted him in Dallas's spot, So that just 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.920 tells you, you know what they you know they could 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.280 have got Yeah, sure, yep, and longtime guy, All right, Rob, 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.800 who's your guy? Well, Brian, you stole mine on the 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.120 email chain this morning, so I went with an obvious guy, 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:42.800 but a guy that is so key to what they 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.960 do defensively. The key is Aaron Donald absolutely left defensive end. 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:51.000 He's he's moving to a slightly. It's technically he's a 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.680 different position in the three four defense for Wade, but 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.160 he's really so far he's doing the same things. He's 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.120 playing the three technique one gap system. He's shaded over 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.880 the guard and he's get up the field and trying 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.200 to rush the passer. And he's one of the best 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.160 interior linemen in the league, maybe the best at doing it. 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.960 He's got twenty nine sacks in his first three plus 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.920 seasons in the league, taking a few picks before Zack Martin, 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.800 by the way in twenty fourteen, three Pro Bowls, All 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.080 Pro the last two years. Question is is he rounded 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.680 into shape? You know, he missed Week one, he's been 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.320 holding out for a new deal. Played the last two 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.920 games went in a span of four days, and ESPN 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.240 reported he got one hundred and fifteen snaps in those 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.920 two games, So he's getting a lot of work despite 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.320 the fact that he wasn't with the team the entire summer. 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.960 An interesting story. He worked out all off season with 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.680 the same guy that trained him on away from high 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.680 school and then in college, a guy who's a family friend. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.480 So you know, not your typical pro training in the office, 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.920 and but it's gotten him ready for the season. He 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:52.840 still looks good. He got a sack last week and 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:54.760 you wrote about this yesterday. He almost got a pick 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:56.520 against the forty nine ers two. Yeah, you know this. 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.000 This is one of those guys to me that Rob 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.520 gave it really good nail of what this player is 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.639 and he's absolutely right. Wade plays that scheme when you 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.879 play three four. He doesn't play a two gaps scheme 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.320 table what we were talking about. When you extend and 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.119 look and look, he is a gap player and go 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.919 and I have a feeling that we're gonna see Wade 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.200 put him over Chaz Green in this game. Yeah, and 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.200 see if Chads Green can handle him one on one. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.040 That's gonna be. He plays both sides, but you watch 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.040 him playing that three on the outside shoulder of Chaz Green, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.720 and he is a very disruptive player. Another one of 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.760 those guys like Brockers, that once they get up the field, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.040 they cause the ball and the block and the blockers 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.640 to have to go sideways and the ball goes back 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.959 instead of going towards the line of scrimmage, it goes 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.240 away from the line of scrimmage, and you know he 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.080 can he can cause a lot of problems that way. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.760 Here's how good Aaron Donald is. When he was at 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.760 the Senior Bowl, even I could tell that guy was special. Yeah, 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.600 it was. He was the best player we saw that year. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.840 And he's only like six feet tall. He's Leroy Glover. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.600 He's le Roy Glover to me, he's a He's that 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:04.960 similar type of a sick And I wanted to ask 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.560 Garrett this question today and Christie Scales kind of got 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.560 into the Aaron Donald question. I wanted to ask him 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.720 because Zack Martin when they evaluated Zack Martin in that draft, 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.359 Zack Martin, like Mickey said, we were at the Senior 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.840 Bowl watching those reps every day, and Zach Martin was 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.800 the only guy that can block him. He's the only guy. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.119 And it's all of a sudden you're thinking, Wow, we 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:28.159 really love Aaron Donald. But here's this guard tackle from 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.600 Notre Dame. Yeah, yeah, we're thinking this looking at this 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.320 tackle of Notre Dame playing guard and he's blocking him 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.600 every single snap. So you're sitting there thinking, Wow, that's 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.040 pretty special right there. But yeah, Aaron Donald, he reminds 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.959 me so much of what le Roy Glover was when 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.720 he played for the Cowboys, that disruptive kind of a player. Hey, well, 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.840 we're going to get to the last two. Tell me more, guys. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.879 Right after this first break, you guys can call us 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.760 the numbers two one, four eight seven two twenty one 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:57.160 O two. We will be right back. We the entertainment 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.840 loving people demand the best unlimited wireless plan ever from 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.359 AT What else do you want? Are you in a car? 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