WEBVTT - 7/24/25: Trump Exposed In Epstein Files, Judge Denies Release Of Epstein Docs, Nelk Boys Scripted Bibi Interview 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.599 Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.240 Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.840 and we are so excited about what that means for 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:08.720 the future of this show. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.760 This is the only place where you can find honest 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.280 perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.680 not exist anywhere else. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.080 So if that is something that's important to you, please 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.599 go to Breakingpoints dot com. 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Some interesting new note Boys fallout too. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.680 We are learning God to save them that they were 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.760 actually given a list of interview questions before their big 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.760 Net Nyahuo interview. They're sort of still spiraling there, so 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.160 interesting to dig into that. As a media story, I 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.759 think a significant one. Actually some very dire news coming 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.839 out of Israel. We now have a whistleblower coming forward 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.520 from that so called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation talking about the 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:22.240 unbelievable and horrifying force being used against Palestinians in the 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.600 context of them trying to obtain AID. We also have 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.600 another significant media story here involving Candace Owens, who is 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.880 now being sued by the first family of France. Candace 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:38.800 did a long piece alleging that Brigitte Macron, the first 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.000 Lady of France, is actually a man, was born a man, etc. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.440 And so they are suing her over those and other claims. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:50.520 We also have significant economic news. Home prices are continuing 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.680 to go up, home sales continuing to go down. In fact, 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.600 a significant number of deals that were originally struck in 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.240 the housing market fell apart last month, record high member 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.440 of those deals falling apart, So still really dire there. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.200 This comes also as Trump has announced a new quote 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.680 unquote trade deal with Japan's We'll dig into all of 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.000 that and we're going to have a guest onto breakdown 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:12.480 if there is any there there. 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.000 With this big Russia Gate. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.480 Document drop obviously being used as an attempt to distract 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.799 from Epstein, it's not working very well, but we did 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.120 want to sift through and see if there's anything we should. 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:26.560 Know Obamagate as an original Obama Gator myself. Yeah, it's 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.960 been difficult, you know, we're having to go back and 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:30.480 reread all the files, etc. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.040 But yes, we will allow Isaac. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.720 Isaac has done a fantastic job here from Tangle. He's 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.560 actually read through everything, covered the stuff for years, and 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.040 so we're going to outsource some of our knowledge over there. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.640 Thank you Eiaac for having us to go. I just 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.360 shot into this all right, let's go before we get 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.480 to that. 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So with that, let's go 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.959 ahead and start here with the Epstein story. This is 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.400 again a very remarkable, very interesting leak coming to the 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.320 Wall Street Journal. Let's put it up there on the screen. Quote, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.800 the Justice Department told Donald Trump in May that his 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.400 name is among many in the Epstein files. There's a 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.680 lot here, and I'm going to go through both the 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.040 exact details of the story, but also the timeline, because 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:39.560 the timeline matters a lot. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:40.000 Quote. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.960 When the Justice Apartment reviewed the Attorney General Pam Bondi 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.480 called a truckload of documents, they discovered that Donald Trump's 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.680 name appeared multiple times. In May, her and her deputy 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.480 informed the President at a meeting in White House that 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.160 the name his name was in the Epstein files. Quote, 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.840 many other high profile figures were also named. Trump was 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.960 told being mentioned in the records is not a sign 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.200 of wrongdoing. That's obviously correct. And then something that we've 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.280 talked about here for quite a long time, they said. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.280 The official said it was part of a routine briefing 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.760 covered a number of topics, and that Trump's appearance in 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.440 the document was not even the focus. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:12.240 They told the. 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.080 President at this meeting that the files contained what officials 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.719 felt was quote unverified hearsay about many people, including Trump, 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.960 who had socialized with Epstein in the past, some of 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.479 the officials said. One of the officials familiar, said that 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.479 they contain hundreds of other names. They also said that 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.320 Trump told They also told Trump the senior Justice Department 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.240 officials didn't plan to release any more documents related to 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.599 the investigation of the convicted sex offender because the material 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.440 contained child pornography and victim's personal information. Trump said at 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.040 the meeting he would defer to the Justice Department. Now 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.000 I want to sit on that for a second. So 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:48.000 first and foremost is this Number One is that obviously 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.160 they told Trump his name was in the Epstein files. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.800 But the thing is is that within the context, it 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.840 makes it even more bizarre about Trump's decision not to 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.600 release it, and really why this is a pr crisis 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.960 of his own making. Now at the point if he 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.880 had released it, where his name in hundreds of other names. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.400 There would be quite literally hundreds of stories to be 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.600 able to go into this right and we could all 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.120 diagnose and we could take a look at all of 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.200 these different connections. By doing the cover up and also 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.760 claiming that you were going to release everything, you now 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.040 make it so that the singular focus is on you, 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.080 the president, for the person here, and actually make it 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.960 more likely in my mind, in many people's minds who 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:27.960 are analysts here are like, I don't know, man, maybe 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:29.680 there is some ben a hell of a lot more 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.080 which is causing all these journalists. You know, the Epstein 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.120 birthday book, all of these old clips were going to 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.120 place some here in a little bit just to show people, 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.480 like some of the past scrutiny on Epstein and Trump's 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.480 own relationship, this is all because of your own actions. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.840 Second is Crystal, Remember this meeting was in May. We 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.679 did not get the Epstein memo until almost a month later, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.039 ahead of the visit of the Israeli Prime Minister. So 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.679 it seems that they made the decision some one month earlier, 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.120 basically around the time cash Ptel and others were going 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.599 around on podcasts kind of laying the groundwork for this 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.039 but what happened in that one month period They said 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.599 they weren't going to release anything, and then a month 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:10.800 later they come out and. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.080 Kind of say it. So the timing of it is 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:12.800 very suspect. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.000 Remember also in that interim month, they still were claiming 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.039 that they were doing and investigation. So it basically makes 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.000 the government look like a whole bunch of liars. It 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.839 obviously makes Trump himself look dramatically more implicated in a 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.680 cover up, probably makes him now at this point more 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.520 intransigent to not release the files, which makes him look 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.360 even more guilty. And so it's just a spiraling thing 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.800 where again the simplest answer is one which would probably 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:37.960 be to his own benefit and to everybody else. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:39.960 Just release everything that what's in there. That's all you 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.600 got to do. Man, that's what you said you were 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:41.960 going to do. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.720 It depends what But that's my point. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.240 I mean, and now they're making it sketchy. 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.839 But you're yeah, but maybe it's get like you're assuming 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.920 that what's in there is just oh, he was at 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.839 his wedding and they sent him a birthday card or whatever. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:54.920 We don't know that. 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.000 I mean, I wat Trump is acting would indicate that 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.480 there may be some much worse things. That is Okham's 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.760 razor at this point, just based on the way that 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.880 he's acting. But I mean, this story is it is 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.000 probably the least surprising story that we've seen thus far, 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.640 because and by the way, Elon apparently totally vindicated at 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.000 this point. When Elon first said that Trump is in 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:18.920 the Epstein files, what do we say? We said, of 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.680 course Trump is in the Epstein files. They were very 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.360 close friends for a lot of years. There is zero 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.400 doubt that Trump is in the Epstein files. Question mark 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.240 of what that means and what the implications are and 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.000 what you know all of that, but there's was never 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.600 any doubt. We know he flew on Epstein's plane at 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.320 least seven times, so it should be no surprise to 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.360 anyone that he is quote unquote in the Epstein files. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.120 Whatever you know, that really means. The question is what 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.040 you know? What are the specifics here? And why are 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.840 you acting so incredibly bizarrely? That's really what it comes 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.960 down to. And you're right, that has opened up a 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.040 can of worms of people going back, because there was 0:07:58.080 --> 0:07:59.680 a lot of memory holding. There was a lot of 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.040 deni on the right about just how close they were, 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.040 and how much, how long the association lasted, and all 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.560 of those sorts of things, and so now you know, 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.280 let's go ahead and play. This was Jeffrey Epstein when 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.240 he was being deposed, got asked specifically about his relationship 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.520 with Donald Trump and about whether or not they had 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:20.120 ever been together in the presence of underage girls. Let's 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.160 go ahead and take a listen to how he's fun that. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.280 Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump? 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.080 What do you mean by personal relationships? 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.040 Have you socialized with him? 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.520 Yes, sir, Yes, yes, sir. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:41.200 Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of. 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.240 Females under the age of eighteen? 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.880 Though I'd like to answer that question at least today, 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.840 I'm going to have to assert by fifth, sixth, and fourteenth, 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.040 and then the radser. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.760 If they're to be the Midas, touch networking, all kinds 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:01.079 of stuff. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.040 Well, listen to that. As you said, it's been out there. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.000 I don't deny it either. 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.160 I mean my assumption, perhaps naively, was Yeah, Look, he's 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:08.920 one of the most scrutinized public figures in the world 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.520 at this point. Yeah, they went to each other's weddings, 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.000 et cetera. I'm not saying I believe Trump in its face, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.040 but I was like, I think we kind of know. Yeah, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.000 they were obviously friends, they had all these you know, 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:22.160 sketchy personal connections in certain ways. But at this point, 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.560 considering both his rhetoric and the rhetoric of his administration, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.240 I was like, yeah, they'll probably release it. I mean, again, 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.480 I could be totally wrong, and perhaps they are, but 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.080 at this point, his behavior is such that is really 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.520 vindicating a lot of what you're saying. And that's why 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:37.240 I actually think at this point, you really do have 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.400 no choice but to release it, in my opinion, and 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.240 also just because of the way that the political wins 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.800 continue to shift, both in Washington. Remember they literally had 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.800 to shut down the House of Representatives to stop vote. 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.439 And even with that, I mean, I got to give 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.760 some of the Republicans some credit here, because you know, 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.640 just yesterday was the House Oversight Committee, multiple Republicans broke 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.880 with the administration. They voted eight to two to subpoena 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.880 Glene Maxwell, who have some testimony before them. There are 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:03.559 actually people who are there who are like, no, I'm 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.719 not We're not stopping this is going to happen. The 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.720 reason they had to shut down the House was because 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.640 there were enough Republicans who were willing to join the 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.240 Democrats as say no, screw it, yeah we're going forward. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.720 Well let's let's pause on Glaine for a second, because 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.800 I know Ryan and Emily covered this, But the administration 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.520 is talking to her. I mean, it's very very very possible, 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.880 and she's obviously working to try to get a deal, 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.040 try to get a pardon. Yes, And I think that's 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.800 very possibly the direction that we go in where she 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.440 effectively in exchange for quote unquote exonerating Trump, is let 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.319 out of her, has her person sentence commuted it, or 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:36.480 get some sort of a deal. 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.559 So you know, that's possible as well. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.680 And she has an appeal up to the Supreme Court 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.280 right now that right now the government is taking the 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.360 position no, you know, she needs to stay in prison. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.800 And that previous sweetheart deal that was struck with Epstein 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.720 that said none of your co conspirators could be charged either, 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.000 that doesn't apply here for this various various technical reasons. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.440 So I think that is possible as well. I mean 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.280 that's the thing is like what regards whatever's in the files, 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.040 the way they have played. This is so incredibly stupid. 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.800 It's like the worst possible way you could do, because 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.199 these people are obviously not above line. We're about to 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:10.679 show you Trump coming out and being like, well, of 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.120 course this. You didn't tell me that I was in 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.880 the Epstein files. So they could have released some subset, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.840 you know, this ploy that they're doing now with the trial, Oh, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.480 let's release the grand jury testimony, which the courts are 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.079 already you know, saying no, we're not going to do 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.920 that because there's no you know, we're basically not allowed to. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.480 They could have done that ploy previously to make it 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:32.160 look like they're trying for transparency, but gosh darn at 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.640 the court system is just standing their way or something, 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:36.480 or just run out the clock, as you and I, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.720 you know, it's fully expected them to do. And instead 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.040 you have made it look like you are so guilty 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.079 and maybe you are, and drawn so much attention and 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.920 scrutiny that now everybody is going back through every picture, 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:54.360 every video, every deposition, everything that has ever connected you 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.080 to Jeffrey Epstein and to that world and looking at 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.800 it through a totally different lens. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.920 At this point, right, And that's actually another thing, which 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.199 I think is important to align with the Gallaine stuff. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.280 So Gallaine is actually meeting with the Justice Department today. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.120 But the problem is, at this point you've poisoned the 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.880 well right for any substance, I mean, at. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.520 The end of this is part of what does to 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:16.880 me again point to a cover up. 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.320 Gallaine Maxwell's attorneys and the government say, we never asked 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.800 her if she ever had any third what you. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.680 Never asked her in ninety twenty twenty. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.120 You never asked her, and now you're asking her at 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.840 a time when she's directly asking for a pardon from 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:31.440 Donald Trump. 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:32.400 What She's stupid. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.400 She can't look at the news and say, hey, I 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.640 need to know what I said if they had released 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.240 the files and then come to Gallane. Also, by the way, 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.280 at this point, I mean, Ghlaine Maxwell, just on the 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.920 merits of what she's been convicted of, it's heinous. She 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:45.920 should never be allowed to parton or any of this. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.920 I'm talking about just her crimes with relation to Jeffrey Epstein. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.040 And so let's just leave it at that and say, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.079 all right, Gallaine, maybe we can talk sentence reduction and 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.760 all of this, but you have to be able to 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.199 give US prosecutable you know, verifiable evidence. I think it's 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.199 called like a rule thirty five or something like that, 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.679 where a judge can take into consideration your cooperation with 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.920 the government but has to uh, it has to like 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.719 lead to actually something, Whereas now they've poisoned the well 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.160 through their cover up actions. And now if she does 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.400 come out and say, oh Trump and she's never an 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.319 intelligence asset or none of this, We're like, yeah, come on, man, 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:18.760 I mean, this is just as sketchy as a non 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:19.560 prosecution degree. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.400 Right, you really couldn't believe anything she says at this point, 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.839 because who are you leaving? I mean, you know, she 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.720 is not going to implicate Trump, regardless of however much 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:29.160 they're there. 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.320 Blaen's because she wants to deal with it. Glene has 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:32.720 had a year. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.800 She even gave interviews from her jail cell, right, Like, 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.160 It's not like she couldn't say something if she didn't 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.959 want to. She's keeping it all in And look, she 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.439 was at the Clinton wedding. She knew Donald Trump. She 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.880 meant elon her father literally a Mosad asset, you know, 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:47.640 I mean, I could go on forever in terms of 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:48.800 this woman's background. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.760 It's nuts. All right, I mean Lourene Powell jobs like 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:53.480 she's got all kinds. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.560 Of stuff on all kinds of people, regardless of, by 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.439 the way, whether they're implicated in sex trafficking or not, 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.360 just their mere association. We saw with Elon Loreen Pole 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.160 job it's a problem. No, it's a problem. And here 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.040 we have with Donald Trump again like it's just instinct 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.760 to just, you know, basically just come out and lie 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.040 about a lot of the information. Here he was asked repeatedly, 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.600 did you, but Pam Bondi, ever tell you your name 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:16.600 was in the Epstein files? 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.719 And he said, no, let's take a listen on a 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.000 DJ and what subject. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.960 There were a few of the files, turning Donald pamponi. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.200 Very very quick briefing. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.280 Did she tell you what did she tell you about 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.720 what you specifically? Did she tell you that all that 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.160 your name appeared in? 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:37.720 No, No, she's she's given us just a very quick briefing. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.840 And in terms of the credibility of the different things 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.880 that they've seen. And I would say that you know, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.920 these files were made up by Komi, they were made 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.680 up by Obama, they were made up by the Biden 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.440 from you know, uh, we and we went three years 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.320 of that with the Russia Russia Russia hoax. 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.280 So you know, he's literally said, no, she did not 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.120 tell me that I was in the Epstein files. Another 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.120 person who a lot of people have been looking to 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:08.000 here is Mark Epstein, the brother, and he directly talked 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.680 about some of the contradictions from the president's claim saying 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.680 he'd never been in his office, and he said, no, 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:14.600 that's just absolutely not true. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:15.680 Let's take a listen to that. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.280 And the White House their response to us Mark, they 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:18.960 were categorical. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.760 They said, quote, the President was never in Epstein's office. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:25.800 Is that true? 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.000 That the blatant that's just another blatant lie because he 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.800 was there. The people that work for Jeffrey in his 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.560 office you can find and they can testify that they 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.360 saw Trump and Jeffrey's office on numerous occasions, you know, 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.680 So for him to say he wasn't there, all I 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.520 could say is that's just just another lie. 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.160 So you can say he said that's just another lie. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.880 I mean, look, Mark Epstein, I understand he's got his 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.160 own personal agenda and everybody should keep that in mind. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.000 But a lot of the stuff that Marcus said has 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.200 actually turned out to be true. Remember it's Mark also 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.520 who has really driven the train of my brother did 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.320 not commit suicide. By the way, if everybody want so, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.600 they should go and watch the interview that Ryan and 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.320 Emily did yesterday with a former inmate at the MCC. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.560 I mean, this guy, the case that he lays out 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.040 about the cameras and the way that everything he works there, 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.640 it's just again, it's just not credible. I mean I 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.240 knew that, and I'd heard from other people, but to 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.960 hear from such an intelligent and articulate person who was 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.080 also literally an inmate in this facility, a deep association 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.560 knowledge of a lot of these cameras and himself is 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.840 a technology expert. You know, you could take it for 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.280 you could take it with whatever grain and salt. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:28.920 I guess that you want. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.120 I don't think he has a particular agenda that he's pushing. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:32.560 He's just like listen, I was there. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:33.680 This is how it all worked. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.920 And I'm telling you the government story doesn't make any 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.880 sense whatsoever at all that fits with the original OIG investigation. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.000 And now all this fake footage that's been put out 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.920 by Pam Bondi so and the very least you know 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.960 with Mark Epstein. A lot of what he has said 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.560 has turned out at the very least to be correct. Now, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.480 don't forget, you know, he's also trying to whitewash some 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.360 of his brother's crimes and his record. 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:53.640 So let's put that out there. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.800 But broadly, I mean what the Trump administration and again, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.520 in all their actions, and this will get to the 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.040 kind of the Russia Gate, Obama Gate stuff and even 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.520 the MLK files is it's pretty clear they're desperate to 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.200 release or to try and distract, at the very least 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.480 a lot of their base from what's happening. And yet 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.359 the Director of National Intelligence, Tulca Gabbard, she delivered this 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:19.880 long presentation yesterday about Obamagate and referring Obama to criminal prosecution, etc. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.080 As we said, we'll get to that at the ladder 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:23.560 end of the show because we have a guest on 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:25.280 who's going to break it all down for us. But 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.320 she's asked here directly about Jeffrey Epstein and intelligence connections. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:29.240 Let's take a listen. 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.200 I haven't seen any evidence or information that reflects that. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:38.520 If anything comes before me that changes that in any way, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.879 support the President's statement loud and clear that any credible 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.320