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Speaker 3: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. Have an amazing

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do many things to talk about this morning,

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Speaker 2: including a new Wall Street Journal bombshell. Trump is officially

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Speaker 2: in the Epstein files and was informed of such, so

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Speaker 2: we will break all of that down. Also have a

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Speaker 2: little bit of pulling to dig through on all of

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Speaker 2: those matters as well. Some interesting new note Boys fallout too.

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Speaker 2: We are learning God to save them that they were

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Speaker 2: actually given a list of interview questions before their big

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Speaker 2: Net Nyahuo interview. They're sort of still spiraling there, so

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Speaker 2: interesting to dig into that. As a media story, I

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Speaker 2: think a significant one. Actually some very dire news coming

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Speaker 2: out of Israel. We now have a whistleblower coming forward

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Speaker 2: from that so called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation talking about the

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Speaker 2: unbelievable and horrifying force being used against Palestinians in the

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Speaker 2: context of them trying to obtain AID. We also have

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Speaker 2: another significant media story here involving Candace Owens, who is

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Speaker 2: now being sued by the first family of France. Candace

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Speaker 2: did a long piece alleging that Brigitte Macron, the first

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Speaker 2: Lady of France, is actually a man, was born a man, etc.

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Speaker 2: And so they are suing her over those and other claims.

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Speaker 2: We also have significant economic news. Home prices are continuing

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Speaker 2: to go up, home sales continuing to go down. In fact,

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Speaker 2: a significant number of deals that were originally struck in

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Speaker 2: of those deals falling apart, So still really dire there.

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Speaker 2: This comes also as Trump has announced a new quote

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Speaker 2: unquote trade deal with Japan's We'll dig into all of

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Speaker 2: that and we're going to have a guest onto breakdown

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Speaker 2: if there is any there there.

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Speaker 4: With this big Russia Gate.

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Speaker 2: Document drop obviously being used as an attempt to distract

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Speaker 2: from Epstein, it's not working very well, but we did

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Speaker 2: want to sift through and see if there's anything we should.

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Speaker 3: Know Obamagate as an original Obama Gator myself. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: been difficult, you know, we're having to go back and

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Speaker 1: But yes, we will allow Isaac.

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Speaker 3: Isaac has done a fantastic job here from Tangle. He's

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Speaker 3: actually read through everything, covered the stuff for years, and

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Speaker 3: so we're going to outsource some of our knowledge over there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Eiaac for having us to go. I just

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Speaker 3: ahead and start here with the Epstein story. This is

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Speaker 3: again a very remarkable, very interesting leak coming to the

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal. Let's put it up there on the screen. Quote,

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Speaker 3: the Justice Department told Donald Trump in May that his

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Speaker 3: When the Justice Apartment reviewed the Attorney General Pam Bondi

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Speaker 3: like some of the past scrutiny on Epstein and Trump's

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Speaker 3: own relationship, this is all because of your own actions.

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Speaker 3: Second is Crystal, Remember this meeting was in May. We

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Speaker 1: Kind of say it. So the timing of it is

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Speaker 1: Just release everything that what's in there. That's all you

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Speaker 1: got to do. Man, that's what you said you were

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Speaker 1: I mean, and now they're making it sketchy.

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Speaker 2: But you're yeah, but maybe it's get like you're assuming

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Speaker 4: We don't know that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I wat Trump is acting would indicate that

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Speaker 2: there may be some much worse things. That is Okham's

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Speaker 2: course Trump is in the Epstein files. They were very

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Speaker 2: of what that means and what the implications are and

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Speaker 2: Whatever you know, that really means. The question is what

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and play. This was Jeffrey Epstein when

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?

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Speaker 3: What do you mean by personal relationships?

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Speaker 1: Have you socialized with him?

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Speaker 3: Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of.

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Speaker 1: Females under the age of eighteen?

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Speaker 7: Though I'd like to answer that question at least today,

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Speaker 7: I'm going to have to assert by fifth, sixth, and fourteenth,

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Speaker 2: If they're to be the Midas, touch networking, all kinds

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Speaker 1: Well, listen to that. As you said, it's been out there.

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Speaker 1: I don't deny it either.

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Speaker 3: at this point. Yeah, they went to each other's weddings,

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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, they'll probably release it. I mean, again,

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Speaker 3: She even gave interviews from her jail cell, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: he put out a statement saying, hey, we were told

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Speaker 3: by FBI agents to flag when Donald Trump's name was

439
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Speaker 3: in the files. But now it kind of makes sense, right,

440
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,200
Speaker 3: because this is part of probably why they were coming

441
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 3: to Trump just be like, hey, just don't you know,

442
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,920
Speaker 3: you know your name is in here, But that is

443
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Speaker 3: all just it's such a massive conflict of interest and

444
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,639
Speaker 3: for people, you know, the streisand effect of this story

445
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 3: now is unbelievable.

446
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Speaker 1: It's one of the top stories in the country. I'm

447
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Speaker 1: not joking.

448
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,840
Speaker 3: If you look at Google traffic, and if especially if

449
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Speaker 3: you look at people who are quote a political or

450
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,399
Speaker 3: you know, kind of online, a lot of them probably

451
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,359
Speaker 3: voted for Trump and may not necessarily consider themselves maga.

452
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,399
Speaker 3: They're really starting to break for you know, if you

453
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 3: want evidence, the QAnon shaman has now broken with Donald Trump.

454
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Speaker 1: It said, this beats his shit.

455
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Speaker 3: Just saying it all right, Listen, you could say whether

456
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Speaker 3: or not, you know, I mean, he's stormed the capital,

457
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Speaker 3: you know, on behalf of Donald Trump. I think it's

458
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Speaker 3: a constituency of some sort for these types of people.

459
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Speaker 1: He was a hero, you know, if you'll recall.

460
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Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, yeah, all these types of people,

461
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Speaker 3: this is a very important story is not going away.

462
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Speaker 2: Well, and I think it's it's really the first time

463
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Speaker 2: I can think of where all of Trump's go to

464
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 2: tactics are just really not working. Yeah, you know, he's

465
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Speaker 2: normally so good at being able to change the conversation

466
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Speaker 2: and get us chasing after something else than having to

467
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Speaker 2: deal with someone.

468
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Speaker 4: And obviously he's trying.

469
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Speaker 2: I mean I've seen the lists of like all the

470
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Speaker 2: attempted distractions, the cane sugar and the coke and the

471
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Speaker 2: Rosi o'donald should be denaturalized and loser citizenship and you know,

472
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Speaker 2: the now we've got the Obama Gates stuff, the MLK

473
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Speaker 2: files and whatever, and it's like, Nope, people are still

474
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Speaker 2: focused on this. And it's so obvious too what he's

475
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Speaker 2: trying to do. That not to say that the right

476
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 2: isn't interested in the Russia Gates stuff and whatever. We're

477
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Speaker 2: going to cover it in the show, but it is

478
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 2: not throwing people off of this particular case, especially as

479
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 2: the story just continues to drip drip drip.

480
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Speaker 4: Drip continues to develop.

481
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Speaker 2: And then the other thing is, and you and I

482
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 2: were talking about this a little bit before we started

483
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Speaker 2: the show, like, I don't think Rupert Murdoch is the

484
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Speaker 2: type of media figure who's just gonna be terrified and

485
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Speaker 2: and you know, run away from the case because of

486
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Speaker 2: the threat of a lawsuit. You know, Trump is already okay,

487
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 2: he's already played that card. He said he threatened them

488
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Speaker 2: before they publish their birthday card scoop. He threatened them,

489
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Speaker 2: said this is absolutely fake. I will sue you, I

490
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Speaker 2: will ruin you, et cetera. They went forward with it anyway,

491
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Speaker 2: and so he's already played that card with them. And

492
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Speaker 2: then that's the other thing that's significant about this coming

493
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Speaker 2: out in the Wall Street Journal after that initial scoop

494
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Speaker 2: is it's sort of, you know, a message to him

495
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Speaker 2: too of like, Okay, well we're gonna keep out like

496
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Speaker 2: you're not slowing us down. Yeah, let's play, let's go.

497
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Speaker 2: I'm not afraid we're moving in this direction. And Murdoch, obviously,

498
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Speaker 2: you know, has all media empire, including Fox News, including

499
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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal, including the New York Post, all of

500
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Speaker 2: which are incredibly important and influential. And I think he

501
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Speaker 2: also is someone who does not see Trump as being

502
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Speaker 2: bigger than him.

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Speaker 3: Murdock always hated Trump or in a secret way like

504
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Speaker 3: they despise him. It's it is an alliance of convenience

505
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Speaker 3: at the very best. Trump both fears and respects of

506
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Speaker 3: Rupert Murdoch and vice versa.

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Speaker 6: Right.

508
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Speaker 3: But the thing is people need to understand about Murdock

509
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Speaker 3: is and I was reading from Dylan Byers. He works

510
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Speaker 3: at POG He's one of the best, like true inside

511
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Speaker 3: the room media journalists, and he pointed this out. If

512
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Speaker 3: you look at the previous settlements ABC settles with Donald Trump,

513
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Speaker 3: why they were gonna win. There's no question that they

514
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Speaker 3: were going to win the George Stephanopolis case. Why do

515
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Speaker 3: they settle because ABC is owned by Disney. Bob Iger

516
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Speaker 3: is like, look, sixteen million, and I get to keep

517
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Speaker 3: my theme park permits which print hundreds of millions of

518
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Speaker 3: dollars a year. Easy trade, right, even because they don't

519
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Speaker 3: care about journalism. They care about business. CBS owned by Paramount,

520
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 3: which needs to merge with Skydance, which needs the FTC

521
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Speaker 3: and the FCC to approve their merger. Yeah, sixteen million

522
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: is nothing for a multi billion dollar deal. Sherry Redstone

523
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Speaker 3: has been trying to offload this shit for years. She's like,

524
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Speaker 3: I will pay anything to get rid of this. Oh

525
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Speaker 3: and by the way, she's super pro Israel, so at

526
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Speaker 3: the same time she's like, I don't care whatever, let's

527
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Speaker 3: make a deal. Murdoch, people forget this. He sold the

528
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Speaker 3: bulk of the Fox empire, the Fox Networks and all

529
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Speaker 3: the other stuff years ago, and he sold it to Disney.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't need the regulators nearly as much. He still

531
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Speaker 3: owns Fox, still owns News Corp.

532
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Speaker 1: That's basically it. A lot of his personal empire has

533
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Speaker 1: been offload.

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Speaker 3: He's sitting on a shitload of cash as well as

535
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Speaker 3: as foreign media empire. He doesn't need the same regulatory approval. Now, Listen,

536
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Speaker 3: the FCC can make life miserable for anybody. So I'm

537
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Speaker 3: not saying it's theoretically possible. But also what Dylan said,

538
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Speaker 3: if you note inside the lawsuit that Trump filed, it

539
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Speaker 3: specifically doesn't go after Fox News, It actually doesn't touch

540
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Speaker 3: Fox News very carefully. It was crafted to make sure

541
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Speaker 3: it only goes after Murdoch, the two journalists, and others.

542
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Speaker 3: Another thing is is that Trump may actually have filed

543
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Speaker 3: the lawsuit in such a way that it will require

544
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Speaker 3: immediately dismissal. Because Florida law basically requires that you have

545
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Speaker 3: to wait like five days or something after a story

546
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Speaker 3: to be published to actually publish to file suit. They

547
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Speaker 3: did it obviously before the five days was up. They

548
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: may have actually crafted the lawsuit in a way where

549
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Speaker 3: it will require dismissal and then both sides can claim victory.

550
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Speaker 3: So it may be possible that they knew it was

551
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Speaker 3: a fake lawsuit from the very beginning. It was all posturing.

552
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Speaker 3: And also what I mean, let's think about the implication here.

553
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Speaker 3: Trump would literally have to sit as President of the

554
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Speaker 3: United States for a deposition.

555
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Speaker 1: For hours about Jeffrey his relationship.

556
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Speaker 3: With deposition you really want to go through with that?

557
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: And then Murdoch zero, it's not happening.

558
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Speaker 1: You're not happening.

559
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Like the risk for Trump is exponential, the

560
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Speaker 3: risk for Murdoch is not that high. He's sitting on

561
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Speaker 3: forty or fifty billion dollars and he's ninety four years old.

562
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Speaker 1: And by the way, he loves to fight.

563
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Speaker 3: As you can look at all of his past wreck

564
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Speaker 3: I really recommend people go and look at some of

565
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: the past legal broiling. This guy has gotten himself into

566
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: here in the UK and in Australia. This is what

567
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Speaker 3: animates them, you know. And so I put that all together.

568
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying Murdoch may not settle. He may do

569
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Speaker 3: it just to basically bribe Trump. Maybe Trump will say

570
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Speaker 3: no more Trump administration officials on Fox News.

571
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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

572
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Speaker 3: They need each other. It's a symbiotic relationship. So anyway,

573
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Speaker 3: I'm betting on Rupert.

574
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Speaker 9: On this one.

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Speaker 2: I really well, Like I said, I think the fact

576
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Speaker 2: that they published this scoop so soon after the original one,

577
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Speaker 2: it really does send a message of like, we don't care.

578
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Speaker 4: Go ahead, we don't buy.

579
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Speaker 2: That you and your fake threats that this is any

580
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Speaker 2: sort of a real risk for us, and we're proceeding.

581
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Speaker 2: There are a couple other details that are worth pulling

582
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Speaker 2: out in this Wall Street Journal piece that were interesting

583
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Speaker 2: as well. First of all, they had some details about

584
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Speaker 2: Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi.

585
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Speaker 4: Fighting, so let me read this section.

586
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: They say that Bongino has told colleagues his association with

587
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: the administration's decision to keep the files private has eroded

588
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: his credibility among the basive support that fueled his rise

589
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Speaker 2: as a successful podcaster and media personality on the right.

590
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Speaker 2: So he's concerned that this is all damaging his brand

591
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Speaker 2: as a podcaster, which is important thing for high level

592
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Speaker 2: FBI official to be worried about. Bongino did not respond

593
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Speaker 2: to request for comments. They also have these details of

594
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Speaker 2: this fight. So on July ninth, they say, after ABC

595
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Speaker 2: News reach out to the White House about Bondi's briefing

596
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Speaker 2: to the President, Bongino and Bondi clashed in a meeting

597
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Speaker 2: in which Bondi alleged Bongino was secretly providing information to

598
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Speaker 2: the media to damage her reputation. Bongino in term exploded

599
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: about Bondi his face read and called her a liar.

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Speaker 2: A senior administration official said, they also have some details

601
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Speaker 2: in here about FBI Director Cash Battel, who apparently is

602
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Speaker 2: privately going around and spreading the information, gossiping about the

603
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: fact that Trump's name is in the file. So this

604
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: is becoming common knowledge, you know, in DC, and so

605
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Speaker 2: no surprise that Elon.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think almost certainly the source of where

607
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Speaker 1: Elon came from.

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Speaker 3: And it makes sense because FBI director was the one

609
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Speaker 3: who gave the order to the agents to all Remember

610
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Speaker 3: they said hundreds of agents and said, hey, guys, flag

611
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Speaker 3: anything there that's in Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, look, I mean, nobody can deny this.

613
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Speaker 3: The actions of the administration are so unbelievably sketchy now

614
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Speaker 3: at this point that you know, I don't even know

615
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Speaker 3: how they dig themselves out of it again other than

616
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Speaker 3: a full release.

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Speaker 1: But even at that.

618
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Speaker 3: Point, there's just going to be so much scrutiny, so

619
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Speaker 3: much requirement for transparency to say, what the hell are

620
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Speaker 3: you guys hiding? You have nobody to blame but yourselves.

621
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the second part here, because this is

622
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Speaker 3: equally important, kind of gets to the whole cover up situation.

623
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Speaker 1: Can't say you weren't warned here on this show. Let's

624
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Speaker 1: put it up there on the screen.

625
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Speaker 3: The judge lo and Behold has denied Donald Trump's request

626
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Speaker 3: to release the Epstein transcripts in Florida. This is the

627
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Speaker 3: grand jury transcripts that are relating to the Epstein case.

628
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Speaker 3: You'll remember previously that they had said, quote that the

629
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Speaker 3: court said its hands were tied because she could not

630
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Speaker 3: release the files from the grand jury convene because transcripts

631
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Speaker 3: are quote typically kept secret except in very narrow circumstances,

632
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Speaker 3: and that the Department was not requesting the transcript for

633
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Speaker 3: use in a judicial proceeding, which actually would have opened

634
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Speaker 3: the pathway to disclose the jury records. So, I mean,

635
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Speaker 3: this is where a lot of the ways that these

636
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of the way in which they

637
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: even like said that they were going to request the transcripts,

638
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: it was obvious basically from the beginning that it was

639
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: almost certainly likely to fail just moving through the court system.

640
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Speaker 3: It just gets to this whole fakery about what the

641
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: Epstein files are like. It's in the irs in the

642
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: Treasury data and inside of the FBI, which you have

643
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Speaker 3: executive purview. You don't need no judge to release any

644
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: of that. You can release all of it yourself. If

645
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: you want to look at the MLK files, right, you

646
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: can release all of this data three to two s etc.

647
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Speaker 1: For the public interest.

648
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: There's direct you know, executive uh, there's executive purview for

649
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Speaker 3: all of this.

650
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Speaker 1: You have that ability today.

651
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Speaker 3: You don't be putting this on some judge, and especially

652
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: here the grand jury documents. Part of the reason why

653
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: I said even that would be dramatically insufficient is that

654
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Speaker 3: those grand jury documents and transcripts are specifically about the

655
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Speaker 3: narrowly tailored charges against Epstein, which only involve him and

656
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Speaker 3: the sex traffic allegations against him. It doesn't get to

657
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Speaker 3: any of the broader implication. Senator Ron Wyden, who, by

658
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Speaker 3: the way, you gotta give credit to the guy's been

659
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: working on this story for multiple years now at this point,

660
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: so you know, long before it was convenient. He literally said,

661
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Speaker 3: I personally looked at Treasury documents which show one point

662
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Speaker 3: five billion dollars suspicious activity reports that were filed after

663
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Speaker 3: Epstein's death.

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Speaker 1: One point five.

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Speaker 3: Billion dollars in wire transfers from the richest and most

666
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Speaker 3: powerful people in the world, also connected to sex trafficking

667
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Speaker 3: rings all across the world, including Eastern Europe. That fits

668
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Speaker 3: with the New York Financial Services document. The government has

669
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Speaker 3: it in its ability to release that document, those documents

670
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Speaker 3: today if they want to.

671
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Speaker 1: Where is it?

672
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Speaker 3: You know, this is what I'm getting at in terms

673
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Speaker 3: of the they're trying to fool the public with stunts

674
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Speaker 3: like this, and genuinely is very important for people who

675
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Speaker 3: are interested in this to be able to parse and

676
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: say and say like, oh, Trump tried, no he didn't. Okay,

677
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: this was guaranteed to fail basically from day one. And

678
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Speaker 3: you know, it's a stunt. There's no other way to

679
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Speaker 3: put it. It's a stunt.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, if they had pulled this stunt first, yeah,

681
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Speaker 2: then fine, then yeah, not fine.

682
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Speaker 4: But I think people would have bought it more.

683
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Speaker 1: I think you're right, would have been like, oh, we're.

684
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Speaker 4: Trying and the courts of standing in our way in

685
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Speaker 4: these liberal Marxist judges blah blah blah.

686
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Speaker 2: And by the way, there's still a question of whether

687
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Speaker 2: the Grandeuri transcripts from Manhattan will be released but that

688
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: judges also already said basically like, my hands are tied

689
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Speaker 2: unless they provide additional submissions and rationale for why we

690
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: would do that. So listen, this is very very very

691
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Speaker 2: unlikely to happen, and even if it did happen, what

692
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Speaker 2: it would provide would not be the quote unquote Epstein files.

693
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Speaker 2: But you know, the Ron Widen thing is actually really important.

694
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Speaker 2: And this is the thing that Julie K. Brown, who

695
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: has been focused on this case down in Miami for

696
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: years and years at this point, this is what she

697
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 2: always says. I heard her interview with rosstauthat over at

698
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: the New York Times. She said, I've always insisted that

699
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: the government has tried too hard to rely on the

700
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Speaker 2: victims to build the case instead of following the money.

701
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Speaker 4: She's like, if you really.

702
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Speaker 2: Want to know what was truly going on here, follow

703
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: the money. And that's why the Ron Widen piece is

704
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: so important.

705
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Speaker 1: I've said it here too, and that's why it's just

706
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: it's so preposterous. The money. It is the center of

707
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: the Epstein store because that's where the arms.

708
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: Trafficking stuff comes in, his connections with Maxwell, all of

709
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: his fake wealth, the you know, the Leslie Westerner stuff.

710
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: And it's because of the money. It's because of what

711
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: I believe.

712
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: What I believe is work with these intelligence assets is

713
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: what leads to the sweetheart deal of the non prosecution.

714
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: It's not that the government was running the quote blackmail

715
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: ring or whatever. It's not the government was, you know,

716
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: running his sex trafficking operation. It's that when he got

717
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: in trouble for that, they're like, all right, guys, we're

718
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: gonna help this go away. There are documented instances of

719
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: this going back, you know, for decades. Multiple times CIA

720
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: officers and others have been let off for sex crimes

721
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Speaker 3: because they don't want to release sources and methods. The

722
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Speaker 3: actual financial documents and others I believe would show a

723
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: vast array of sketchy financial transactions which have basically no

724
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Speaker 3: other explanation other than intelligence.

725
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: Yeah where did where did all the money come from?

726
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 6: Well?

727
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And who did it go on to go to?

728
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: And for what purposes? Why was it all offshore?

729
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 6: You know?

730
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: Why did all these banks just look the other way?

731
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Speaker 1: This is this is the story.

732
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Speaker 3: And yeah, you're right, I'm glad that Julie K. Brown

733
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: continue used to beat that drum as well, because that

734
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: is the beating heart of why you're allowed to get

735
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Speaker 3: away with everything. And also I think that's what would

736
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: implicate way more. And this is where look, I mean,

737
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Speaker 3: no offense is Donald Trump, but he's not actually even

738
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Speaker 3: all that wealthy compared to the people who were actually,

739
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: wait now, I was gonna say it now, but at

740
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Speaker 3: that time, that's when he's filing for bankruptcy and all

741
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: of that dealing in the nineteen eighties with the Atlantic

742
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Speaker 3: City and all that, he didn't actually have the chops

743
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Speaker 3: to be dealing at the highest levels of global finance.

744
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Speaker 1: The people who did, they have a lot to lose

745
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Speaker 1: if those files.

746
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Speaker 2: And I think it was Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, who

747
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: said that Trump always wanted to fly on Jeffrey's plane.

748
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: They wanted to say again, yeah, So you know, I

749
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: think probably the seven times on his plane is probably

750
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Speaker 2: an understatement because remember they were basically neighbors in Palm Beach,

751
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: lived like a mile away from Manchester, and then you know,

752
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: obviously they were they were in Manhattan together as well,

753
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: So a lot to pull back there. Trump says, though soccer,

754
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: this is all coin great for him, and his approval

755
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: rating has never been higher, and take a listen to that.

756
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Speaker 7: We've achieved incredible things in a very short period of time.

757
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 7: And then polling released just last week, it was announced

758
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 7: that the approval for Congressional Democrats under Hakim Jefferies has

759
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 7: reached the lowest ever recorded nineteen percent. And Republicans are

760
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 7: doing well, and I have the best numbers I've ever had.

761
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Speaker 7: You know, it's amazing. I watched people on television, well,

762
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 7: what about Donald Trump's polling numbers? Hat that the best

763
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 7: numbers I've ever had. And with this made up hoax

764
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 7: that they're talking about, my numbers have gone up four

765
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 7: and five points. It's they want to do anything to

766
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Speaker 7: get us off the subject of making America great again, and.

767
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Speaker 9: We're not going to put up with it.

768
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 7: And remember, don't let them forget it's so important. Obama

769
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 7: cheated on the election. Look, the camera just went off, Obama,

770
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 7: the red lighte just went off. Can you believe these

771
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 7: people are bad?

772
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Speaker 2: They are so Obviously, approval rating is not going up,

773
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: although it is important to have parts these things, because

774
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 2: the polls that have come out so far do show

775
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 2: that with his base, his numbers have stayed the same

776
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: or gone up I mean all within the margin of error.

777
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: But he certainly hasn't fallen off with like Trump supporting

778
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: MAGA based self identifying Republican voters. His numbers haven't fallen

779
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: off at all. If anything, they have actually gone up.

780
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: But Harry Enton broke down the numbers of how his

781
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: approval rating is actually doing at this point overall.

782
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Speaker 4: Let's take a listit to that.

783
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 5: Look.

784
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 8: He started off back in January plus six points on

785
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 8: the net approf rating, minus three in March, minus seven May,

786
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 8: and now he's at a term too low at minus

787
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 8: eleven points. His net approval rating has dropped nearly twenty

788
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 8: points in the aggregate since the beginning of his presidency.

789
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: Is he's underwater on all the major issues of the day?

790
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 8: Trump's net approval rating on all the major issues minus

791
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 8: five points. In immigration is best issue, he's underwater. How

792
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 8: about the economy that was what he was elected for?

793
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 8: Minus fourteen points, how about four and posse minus fourteen points,

794
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 8: how about trade and those terrorforce minus fifteen points, and

795
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 8: of course the Epstein case the lowest of the bunch

796
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 8: minus thirty seven points. I do have one piece of

797
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 8: good news for Donald Trump, and that there is one

798
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 8: other presidency that has a lower net approval rating at

799
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 8: this point than this one. The bad news is that

800
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 8: it was Donald Trump's other presidency. His first presidency net

801
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 8: approval rating six months and the worst was in twenty

802
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 8: seventeen donald Trump was sixteen points underwater. The second worst, however,

803
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 8: is this Donald Trump presidency eleven points underwater. The average

804
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 8: president at this point since nineteen hundred and fifty three

805
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 8: has a plus twenty seven net approval rating.

806
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 9: So there you go.

807
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: That's the reality of where he actually is. I mean,

808
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: with regard to the base numbers. I was talking you

809
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: a little bit about this before, but look, I'm sorry.

810
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: The liberals were right. It is a cult.

811
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: And I see this as sort of whether it's an

812
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: intentional or unintentional, it's basically a test for his base,

813
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: like will you stay with me even as these sort

814
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: of like core central mythology of Maga and trump Ism,

815
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: even as that is completely blown apart, and it does.

816
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the you know, grabber by the

817
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: P word moment. It reminds me of these like doomsday

818
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: cults that you know, the day that the world is

819
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: supposed to end comes and goes and you would think

820
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 2: that faced with this evidence that like you've been lyed

821
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: to and this is all ridiculous and low and behold,

822
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: you're in a cult that people go with sort of

823
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: snap out of it and go about their lives.

824
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: And some of them do.

825
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: But many of times what happens is they actually, because

826
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: they've dedicated so much of their life and their being,

827
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: their identity this, they.

828
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: Double down on it.

829
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: And there's some rationalization of, oh, well, actually, God has

830
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: given us another chance to recruit more members to are call.

831
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: There's some rationalization that's spun. Why didn't happen this time?

832
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: But now you have to believe even harder, and when

833
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: you look at the numbers just among his base, that

834
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: process is unfolding right now as we speak.

835
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: I don't disagree. I mean, I just don't think it's

836
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: all that unique, I guess. I mean, it's one of

837
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: those where let's think about Russiagate, right, I mean, I mean,

838
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about Russigate later, put the actual

839
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: thing and all that aside.

840
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, even at the after.

841
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: The release of the MULA report, the vast majority of

842
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: the Democratic base still believe that Russia stole the election

843
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: and directly influenced the vote count in twenty sixteen.

844
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: Bullshit, but they still believed it.

845
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: If you look at the cult around a lot of

846
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: political figures, Obama is probably a good example.

847
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you have somebody who literally ran on well.

848
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I think his approval rating with the Democratic

849
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: Party never suffered a significant blow up until the day

850
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: that he left office, and in fact, his affinity at

851
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: this point is still one of the highest within the

852
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: party right. And so I mean that kind of is

853
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: unfortunately a deep part of the American system. But this

854
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 3: is why I do think that the base argument is

855
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 3: an irrelevant one, because the base doesn't matter. Bases always

856
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: stick together, they always are cultish in their support of

857
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: political parties. If Obama had the Democratic base in his pocket,

858
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: or the Democrats had their base in their pocket, then

859
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 3: they would have won the election. They did not win

860
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: the election. Why because there are independents. There are other

861
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: people who still vote, especially in these lower or in

862
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 3: these higher turnout elections like presidential elections. And that ultimately

863
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: is how Donald Trump came to the Oval office. I mean,

864
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: the MAGA base is not going to win you the

865
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: state of Pennsylvania. The MAGA base is not going to

866
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: win you Georgia. It's not gonna win you, Michigan, it's

867
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: not gonna win you, Wisconsin. It's not gonna win you

868
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: North Carolina, Nevada. I could go on Arizona. Right, it's

869
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: the swing two to three percent. Go look at the

870
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: margins in PA. It's not like it was a blowout.

871
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 3: It was like one percent that he won the state.

872
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 3: Those are the people that matter. I think this is

873
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: an important moment for them, and that's part of why

874
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: I get frustrated with the conbo because, yeah, political bases

875
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 3: are buying large cults. Now Trump, I'm not going to deny. Okay,

876
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 3: the guy is unique for sure, Like within the context

877
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: of all he has.

878
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: I think I think Obama is probably the closest analog.

879
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: But I still think.

880
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: Trump is unique, and you're in my lifetime, He's the

881
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: closest analog. I'm trying to think about it. Reagan actually

882
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 3: came pretty close in terms of his cult.

883
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: With the because I was young when Reagan and you

884
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: weren't even alive, So it's hard for me to like

885
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: have a real sensitive Well, I've read her.

886
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: People should read the Nixon Land books that kind of

887
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: go into the rhyme of Reagan. That's it's important. I mean,

888
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: he was the most beloved figure in the Republican Party

889
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: before Donald J.

890
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: Trump.

891
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I sort of feel like though

892
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: his mythology was almost more after the fact, though.

893
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: In some part, I mean, he's still very popular and

894
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: they left. I'm trying to actually, Okay, let's put it

895
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 3: this way.

896
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: FDR.

897
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: FDR is probably the most analogous example. Or JFK is

898
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: another one where you know, even after he died in

899
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties, he'd walk into a Boston coffee shop

900
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 3: or something, there'd be a picture of JFK up there

901
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: with the Saint Metal or.

902
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: Something like that. That's that's a cult, Okay. I mean

903
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: he was a market too, is fair? Yeah, JK amongst Catholic.

904
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that type of stuff is I wouldn't

905
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 3: say normal, but you know, it rhymes throughout American history.

906
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: But that's not enough to win elections. To win elections,

907
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: you still have to appeal to a broad enough, you

908
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: know base. This is probably a good segue to our

909
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 3: Nelk Boys segment, because that is a watershed cultural moment

910
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: for the future of the country and for a lot

911
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 3: of these people who did vote for Donald Trump, putting

912
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: NELK the guys out of it.

913
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about young people.

914
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: Remember young men specifically broke hard for Trump in the

915
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four election.

916
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: Now will they come out to vote again?

917
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: Nobody knows, all right, I think so, especially people, especially

918
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: age that gain some you know, grasp in society. They

919
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: start to and I think this NLK boy's moment is

920
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: a very important one for I think both in the

921
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: Israel conversation, but really politically and media wise as well.

922
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 3: So it's been let's transition here. Now the NELK boys

923
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: continue to talk both about the details of their interview

924
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: with Bibing Yahoo, but more importantly the incredible amount of

925
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: remorse that they show that they have never done before.

926
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: Remember, these guys have had on Trump. They had Trump

927
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: on in twenty twenty.

928
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: I remember when their episode got taken down after he

929
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: was talking about, you know, the stolen election or whatever

930
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: they had on canvas. They've had, They've had on all

931
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: the most controversial people. They've never apologized. And yet this

932
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 3: time the level of freak out from their own audience

933
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: and within their own cohort is such that they are

934
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: doing public Maya culpas. Here we have Kyle from the

935
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: Milk Boys basically not only expressing remorse, but saying he

936
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 3: would have changed everything about the way.

937
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: That he did his interview with Beebie. Let's take a listen.

938
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 6: I wish we could go back in time and fucking

939
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 6: grill him a thousand times harder. And we just went

940
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 6: in there fucking unequipped to fucking interview him. We have

941
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 6: a lot of Muslim friends. We fucking we've been to

942
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 6: fucking Dagistan. We all know what's in our hearts. We

943
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 6: don't hate anybody. We're not taking sides in this shit.

944
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 6: We love everybody. I'm sleeping great because I know how

945
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 6: I actually feel on the inside. So and I know

946
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 6: a lot of you guys are fucking and this is

947
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 6: not an apology.

948
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 5: This is just.

949
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 9: We fucking walked in.

950
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 6: There and we weren't fucking ready for it, man, and

951
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 6: we were just we walked in there uneducated, and I

952
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 6: can admit that.

953
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 9: But life goes on.

954
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 6: There's nothing you could do.

955
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: It's an apology.

956
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 4: He's sleeping great. You can tell barely even thinking about.

957
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: That, you're thinking, I mean, in some ways I'm saying,

958
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: you know, I'm like, look, you got a bunch of

959
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: prank frat d jen morons who were walking in there.

960
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: And they didn't know what they're doing, but they haven't enough.

961
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 4: Okay, these are thirty year old men.

962
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay.

963
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: This is the other thing, is the like infantilizing even

964
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: like that. No, maybe we're right, I know that's how

965
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: that's their name or whatever, but like you're a grown

966
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: ass man, yes, and people warned you. You knew going

967
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: in that's fair, and you didn't do like a day

968
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: of research, Like you didn't do five minutes of research

969
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: into Oh here's what he's gonna say and here's actually

970
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: what all the organizations say about whether or not they're

971
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: starving Palestinians. Oh look, here's a picture of a dead

972
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: baby who's been starved today, and it's clearly amazing.

973
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: You couldn't be bothered to do that.

974
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: And the part where it's oh, i've been to dagistans

975
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: like I mean, and then he's well, we don't take

976
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: anybody's side still just in the you know.

977
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: We'll just let people speak their truth.

978
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: You just it's I think it's important because this is

979
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: the logical conclusion of the idea that you just platform anyone.

980
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: And this is not like against platforming people, but that

981
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: you just have anyone on and just let them spin

982
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 2: some bullshit and let them use your platform for their

983
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: own ends. And the heartening part about it is that

984
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: their audience was not having it like that is actually heartening,

985
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: but it's still displays that this approach is completely morally bankrupt.

986
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: And I don't care that you're gonna have quote unquote

987
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: the other side on. Like you had the biggest monster

988
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: on the planet on your podcast and asked him about

989
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: Burger King and McDonald.

990
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: No, that was the only time that they pushed back.

991
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: Crysal was on Burger King exactly. I mean, it's just

992
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 4: like unbelievable.

993
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: And you know what, You're right at the end of

994
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: the day, Kyle Signe. You guys are thirty years old,

995
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: you have built businesses, you're multi millionaires.

996
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 9: You're right.

997
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: I shouldn't get I shouldn't excuse their idiot because they

998
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: were also self aware enough where if you remember, because

999
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: you watched the whole thing in the beginning, though.

1000
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: We're so not glorified to do this, bro, you know,

1001
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: like we shouldn't even be doing this.

1002
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: I can't believe it, right, and you're like, well, if

1003
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: you have the self awareness to be saying something like that,

1004
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 3: they're like, maybe you shouldn't be saying it. And in fact,

1005
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: the details are coming out of this make them look

1006
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: so bad. Here they are admitting that they got a

1007
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: script from the Israeli government when they walked into the room.

1008
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

1009
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 6: So we walked in and there was just like twenty

1010
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 6: people in suits there. Yeah, the setup was already there,

1011
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 6: the like both flags. We couldn't touch anything or move anything, and.

1012
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: They don't give you any restrictions like don't ask this.

1013
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: I'll be honest.

1014
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 6: They gave us a paper with questions to ask, but

1015
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 6: they also said you like they kind of you know,

1016
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 6: they gave us a script to ask, but we didn't

1017
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 6: really follow it. We tried our very best to ask

1018
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 6: some questions, but I think I liked the questions.

1019
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we tried our pet but we had this script. Now, look,

1020
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 3: I will defend them in a certain respect. I have

1021
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: interviewed Trump on multiple occasions where the White House will

1022
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: hand me it's ridiculous, literally looks like it's from Microsoft paint,

1023
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: and it'll be like Trump accomplishments.

1024
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: And it's like a single space document of all of

1025
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: this stuff. You're just like, oh, thank you.

1026
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: And you just you know, put it off or whatever

1027
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: to the side. But you know, I was prepared. I

1028
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: had a list of questions that actually wanted to ask.

1029
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: And it's like, brother, I don't think.

1030
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: You asked the questions that you wanted to ask.

1031
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 9: And that's the problem.

1032
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 4: It's not like it's not like he was like, yeah,

1033
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: they gave us a script in the trash.

1034
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: We had no He's like, well, we we didn't like yeah.

1035
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: And it also gets to the preconditions, right, so when

1036
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: you walk in there, so for example, they're like, oh,

1037
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: we weren't allowed to touch anything.

1038
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: Everything was set up. There's twenty guys in the room.

1039
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: It basically sounds like what happened is that the Israeli

1040
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 3: and White House set this The Israeli government and the

1041
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: White House set this interview up. Yeah, they were like, sure,

1042
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 3: no problem. They didn't give any conditions. They didn't ask

1043
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: for the ability to ask.

1044
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: For whatever they want.

1045
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: Apparently, you know, the whole set is there. By the way,

1046
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: why they're twenty people in the room. That's fucking crazy.

1047
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: I would never agree to an interview like that, it's

1048
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: insane to have all these people in there. They didn't

1049
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: exert any of like the interviewer's prerogative in my opinion. Yeah,

1050
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: and then you put all that together now with what

1051
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: we're about to show you, which is that they were

1052
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 3: basically used as useful idiots here by the White House.

1053
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: This was revealed when Hassan started talking with the Nelk

1054
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: boys about the exact circumstances.

1055
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: And here's what they had to say.

1056
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 9: All right, so you guys interviewed the.

1057
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 11: Incarnate Benjamin in Yahoo and now everybody's yelling at you guys.

1058
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 9: Okay, So, first and foremost, who the fuck set that up?

1059
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 12: Some communications team at the White House hit us up,

1060
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 12: connected us with communications team, and presented us the opportunity

1061
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 12: to do it, but with the full time podcast Hater

1062
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 12: to Love It right or wrong. If we ever get

1063
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 12: the opportunity to have a controversial guest on, we're never

1064
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 12: going to turn it down because, in my opinion, what

1065
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 12: we want to do with a full time podcast on

1066
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 12: is we're not afraid to have controversial people on. We're

1067
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 12: gonna ask some questions. Sure, we're probably not the best

1068
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 12: at asking questions. We're not the best journalists never claimed

1069
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 12: to be, so we might not be the best at

1070
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 12: pressing them. But in my opinion, it's it's up to

1071
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 12: the viewer to form their own educated opinion. Just because

1072
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 12: we have someone on, we're sitting beside someone, people are

1073
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 12: gonna be like, oh my god, noaks with them, Like

1074
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 12: I love this person.

1075
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 11: My question is do you feel like there is a

1076
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 11: culpability that you have because like, look, Donald Trump is

1077
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 11: a contentious figure, and obviously he's responsible for a metric

1078
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 11: ton of pain and violence as well, but so was

1079
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 11: every other American president.

1080
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 9: That's one thing.

1081
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 11: But Benjamin Nyaho is like unique in the sense that

1082
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 11: he's also a foreign leader because he's getting something out

1083
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 11: of this, right, he's getting something out of this where

1084
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 11: he gets to, I guess, like try and humanize himself.

1085
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 5: That's the thing.

1086
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 12: That's honest. We'll have anyone on, like next episode, we're

1087
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 12: going to have someone on with the complete opposite ideology.

1088
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Speaker 12: We're talking to a few different people and we want

1089
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 12: to choose the right person to kind of represent, you know,

1090
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 12: the opposite side.

1091
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 9: Okay, but is it just like a podcast, you know

1092
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 9: what I mean?

1093
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 11: Like he's literally the prime Minister that is a war

1094
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 11: criminal by the International Criminal Court.

1095
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 9: He's like literally branded as a war criminal.

1096
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 12: I think I think if you watch it though too,

1097
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 12: I think yes, I mean, I think being signing could

1098
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 12: have pressed them a little bit harder. But we did

1099
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 12: ask him, what is your response to when people say

1100
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 12: you're starving children in Gaza? Do you think October seventh

1101
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 12: could have been prevented? Are you trying to implement regime

1102
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 12: change in Iran? We definitely did ask him some questions

1103
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 12: that I think people wanted to go out.

1104
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 9: Okay, what did he What did he say? I mean,

1105
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 9: of course he said.

1106
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 12: He's for starving children in Gaza. He said that they

1107
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 12: bring the food in and Hamas steals it and then

1108
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 12: sells it.

1109
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 9: That's a lie.

1110
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 11: No human rights organization that works on the ground, from

1111
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 11: the UN to the World Food Program has ever agreed

1112
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 11: to the Israeli position that this is all Hamas stealing

1113
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 11: eight or whatever.

1114
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: And that that really is what gets to it is like,

1115
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: you know, just tossing things out without being prepared on

1116
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: the facts of it is actually worse because it means

1117
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: that you just get their response and and you know

1118
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: he gets It's not I actually think put it quite well.

1119
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: Trump again, It's one thing, but baby, in the prosecution

1120
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: of a war, it really is another. When the stakes

1121
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: are so high for millions of people, and people are dying.

1122
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: As a direct result.

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00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: Every single minute of every hour of every day that

1124
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: this continues, the death toll goes exponential.

1125
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: That's another level, right, And I just come. I said

1126
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: this in our original thing.

1127
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 3: I was like, look, he doesn't sit with his own

1128
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: goddamn journalists in his country for a reason, because they

1129
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: would ask him.

1130
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: He only he only agrees to interview with the.

1131
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: Fucking Milk boys and Brett bay Or who are all

1132
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 3: going to glaze him about Iran. They don't even ask

1133
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 3: him anything sump to But you know, to the Fox

1134
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: point sit down with Trey Yings, my brother, go go

1135
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: sit down with Trey in your own damn country and

1136
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: see how that goes for you. It's not gonna go well,

1137
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: like for anybody even who has a quote, you know,

1138
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: neutral stance or whatever, who's prepared with information.

1139
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: And that's the part that just gets me so hard

1140
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: with this now thing.

1141
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: They said something, they say something else interesting there, which

1142
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: I think is very illustrative of their mindset. They're like,

1143
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: we'll have on any controversial figure, like they see him

1144
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: as in the same lane as like candae O Weathers

1145
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: or like you know, Nick Fuentes or whatever, like they

1146
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 2: see him in that same bucket. And I was watching

1147
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: arm Brown, who has a YouTube channels comedian, his take

1148
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: on this, and he was like, in their brains there

1149
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: were two types of people, people who get clicks and

1150
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: people who don't get clicks. And in their view was like, Oh,

1151
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: this is someone who it's like the ultimate example of

1152
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: content brain sure, and it's like, you know, I think

1153
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: I think either Adam Friedlin or Hassan Piker said this

1154
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: to them too. They're like, not everything is content, Like

1155
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: not everything is just about generating clicks and getting eyeballs

1156
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 2: and stoking some sort of controversy. So you're the center

1157
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: of attention, like some things actually matter. This man is

1158
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: doing a genocide right now, in real time, with the

1159
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: support of our government, and you are not equipped at all.

1160
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: You acknowledge you are not equipped at all to actually

1161
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: know what's going on and be able to ask him

1162
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: intelligent questions or even more importantly, ask intelligent follow ups

1163
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: when he lies to your face, as he did multiple times.

1164
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: And so I think That's what this comes down to,

1165
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: is like this incredibly a moral view of the world

1166
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: where it's just about like, who's going to get eyeballs

1167
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: to my channel. This will be hot, hot topic, this

1168
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: will get me attention, this will get eyeballs to my channel.

1169
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: Therefore I'm going to do it. I'll sit down with

1170
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: any controversial figure. That's what they say, as if this

1171
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: is just you know, some podcast or somebody like, you know,

1172
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: trying to sell some merch or sell a book or whatever.

1173
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: And not to say those things aren't consequential as well,

1174
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: but this is so different. This is on such a

1175
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: different scale, and so I hope that it's a cautionary

1176
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: tale because this did not go well for them. I mean,

1177
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: their own audience, their subcount has gone down somewhat, their

1178
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 2: own audience completely revolted against them. I haven't seen anyone

1179
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: come out and say I haven't even seen the Israeli

1180
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: Like they're humiliating, like, oh.

1181
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 3: This was great, and you guys they compared him to

1182
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: Adolf Hitler afterwards, in what world did that go well

1183
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: for you?

1184
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 8: Great?

1185
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: Like in their post in their post interview Spin, they're like, yeah,

1186
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: you're somebody wrote in and was like, yeah, you just

1187
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: interviewed modern day Adolf Hitler, and he's like, yeah, you

1188
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: kind of got a point there.

1189
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 4: So it's just no one is defending this.

1190
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: Let this be a cautionary tale of like, if you're

1191
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: going to play in these waters.

1192
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: Number one, you could bring someone in you could have

1193
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 4: as a condition for the interview.

1194
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 2: I need to have whoever it is that you trust

1195
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: that you think is insightful on this to ask them

1196
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: real questions. You know, I'm going to have this person

1197
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: in the room to I'll do it, but we're going

1198
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: to have this person.

1199
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 4: In the room too, or just don't do it.

1200
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: That would have been infinitely superior to this absolute mess

1201
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: for yourselves and for the world.

1202
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: I think it was a good turning point, though in

1203
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 3: the culture of I think it could be too. Let's

1204
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: put this final one up here. This is from Mike Sternovich.

1205
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: I actually thought it was very insightful. And what he

1206
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 3: says is the NLK boys, who were widely popular with Zoomers,

1207
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 3: far more than any political or MAGA influencer, had on Netsagna,

1208
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 3: who in their audience is furious nets on Ya, who

1209
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: is deeply hated.

1210
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: We are talking ninety ten hated more so than even

1211
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: I realized.

1212
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: He actually followed it up with if you spend time

1213
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: on Twitter, you would think it's like sixty forty and

1214
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: he's like, no, guys, it's ninety ten. And in fact,

1215
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 3: if you look at the like dislike ratio on the video,

1216
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: I mean, look to be fair, East can be brigaded.

1217
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: And all that, it's like somewhat you know, uh indicated.

1218
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: I dug deefens that comment section. I did not see

1219
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 2: a single positive comment.

1220
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: Here's not one thirty three thousand likes upvotes, one hundred

1221
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 3: and sixty eight thousand down. I mean that's insane, you know.

1222
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: Now again you can be brigaded from outside and all

1223
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 3: of that book.

1224
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: That's it speaks.

1225
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 3: It speaks to the point where there's not a single defense.

1226
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 3: In fact, every single person in their cohort either is

1227
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 3: ignoring it or condemning it, right, And that is really like,

1228
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 3: very very indicative to me. I also think it's a

1229
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 3: bat signal broadly to everybody on this issue, where like

1230
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: you said, it's not just content. It's really not even

1231
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: I hesitate to say ditch neutrality, but it's about confrontation,

1232
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: and it's really about holding facts like like holding people

1233
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: accountable for facts and really, if you're going to agree

1234
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: to it, to actually get into the nitty gritty and

1235
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 3: not allow some alighting lies.

1236
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: And that really was like the biggest problem with them.

1237
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is what pisses me off to is

1238
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: because you and I have done many con confrontational interviews.

1239
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: Neither of us likes doing it. Doing it's not fun.

1240
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: You have to prepare a lot, it's uncomfortable. You know,

1241
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 2: there are some people out there who like enjoy the

1242
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: are the like debate broads, and they interest me.

1243
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: I use peers and all these peo by hate.

1244
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think.

1245
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: Glenn loves to get it and make it like there

1246
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: are people who are wired that way. Most people are

1247
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: not wired that way. I'm not wired that way. But

1248
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: when you have someone who's sitting in front of you,

1249
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: who aspires to power, has some position of prominence, it

1250
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 2: isn't a responsibility that you have to be prepared and

1251
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: to be uncomfortable if that's what the interview requires. And

1252
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: so this idea that it's somehow like noble and good

1253
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: to do none of that and just let people spout

1254
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 2: off whatever they want it actually pisses me off because

1255
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: it's a cowards and a lazy way out.

1256
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not fun to have to do those things.

1257
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: I get it, but that is actually if you want

1258
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: to play in these fonds, if you want to swim

1259
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 2: in these waters.

1260
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 4: That is actually what is required. And you don't have

1261
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 4: to be an asshole about it.

1262
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be personal, but you need to

1263
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: come equipped with facts and replies and think about, Okay,

1264
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: here's what they're going to say, and here's how I'm

1265
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: going to follow up. You have to game all of

1266
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: that out in advance and be willing to sit in

1267
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: that discomfort and just do it anyway.

1268
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 3: So I agree, and that's why the Nelk guys would

1269
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: be better off not doing it, and they would have

1270
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: been off passing. And by the way, the fact that

1271
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: the Israelis would only agree to Nelk and not to

1272
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 3: anybody else.

1273
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he tells you something, right, Yeah, it really does.

1274
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: Like, honestly, I'm being serious, this will sound crazy to say,

1275
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: even like a pro Zionist political person might have actually

1276
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 3: done a better job because they are going to be

1277
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: equipped with some or they're going to know what to

1278
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: tee him up on and they're going to actually get

1279
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: him on the record for various things instead of generic

1280
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: stuff like what's up with all these people starve it

1281
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 3: in Gaza or.

1282
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: What did he say?

1283
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: He's like, why does everybody hate you? That's a stupid

1284
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 3: fucking question.

1285
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: He didn't even ask, like why are people starving? He said, yeah,

1286
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: why if people.

1287
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: Say yeah, that's right, yeah, exactly.

1288
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 2: And then Bibe could just go, oh, well, they're lying

1289
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: and we were love the Palestinians and we're trying to

1290
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: get them made and Hamas is stealing it. It's just

1291
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 2: like