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Speaker 3: But when it comes to other guys, every now and

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Speaker 2: But man, thirty visits are not a lot of visits, no,

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Speaker 2: So let's think about this and how many times we've

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Speaker 2: When you get to thirty million dollars, you have to work, man,

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Speaker 3: And so this is a chance for Josh Allen to

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Speaker 2: And before everyone kind of panics, let's remember what the

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Speaker 3: But that's it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Buck, We're gonna go through these positions here,

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Speaker 2: Devin Leary. I would say, I think Devon Leary has

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Speaker 2: better arm talent, So I'm gonna go with Devon Leary.

436
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,000
Speaker 2: And I know that it's been sideways for him since

437
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 2: he went to Kentucky, but at NC State he was

438
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,880
Speaker 2: like a real dude. So I'm gonna go with him

439
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,359
Speaker 2: and say that in the right situation, Devin Leary over

440
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,720
Speaker 2: those other guys, has a chance to be a start

441
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,720
Speaker 2: in the league. There would be a surprise starter if

442
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Speaker 2: he came off to Border on Day three.

443
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Speaker 1: Okay, I would, I would. They're touching each other. Gave

444
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 1: them the same grade, So same two guys. For me,

445
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,359
Speaker 1: I have Rattler just a hair over him, but I

446
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: I could uh, I could be that's one of those.

447
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,119
Speaker 1: Fine with either one of them if they were so.

448
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 2: My natural inclination was to go with Spencer Radit because

449
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 2: I felt like I've talked about him for so long.

450
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,120
Speaker 2: But then I think, if I am going to draft

451
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Speaker 2: a quarterback, uh late right, that I'm that I'm a

452
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 2: throwd dart. I think I'm a a dart with a

453
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Speaker 2: guy who may have more talent, And normally that would

454
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Speaker 2: lead me to Joe Milton, But I don't know if

455
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,239
Speaker 2: Joe Milton can play the game like Devin Leary can

456
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Speaker 2: play the game at the next level.

457
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Speaker 3: I think he has extraordinary tools.

458
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can ever make those tools

459
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Speaker 2: into production at the NFL level.

460
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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm going to give you some more names

461
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,199
Speaker 1: at wide out here, Buck, and then we're going to

462
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you two options. You get two

463
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Speaker 1: picks here, so give me two day two guys. I'm

464
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Speaker 1: gonna read off some names here for you. I'm going

465
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Speaker 1: to go with Pearsall from Florida. I'm gonna go Franklin

466
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Speaker 1: from Oregon. I'm gonna go Kean Coleman from Florida State.

467
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Malachi Corley from Western Kentucky, Roman Wilson

468
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 1: from Michigan, Savier look At from South Carolina. So those

469
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Speaker 1: are your options. Can give me two of those guys

470
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Speaker 1: that you that you dig. Oh man, this is a

471
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Speaker 1: million wideouts. Man.

472
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. So I'm going to go

473
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Speaker 2: with Pearsall in the number one hole. Yeah, And then

474
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Speaker 2: I feel like the market is over corrected when it

475
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Speaker 2: came to Kean Coleman. Kean Coleman went from being the

476
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: talk of the town like the entire process to now

477
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 2: we don't even talk about him.

478
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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go with Kean Coleman late.

479
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say that in the right environment, as

480
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: a big body pass catcher, he finds a way to

481
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Speaker 2: get it done. But he's going to be drafted much

482
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Speaker 2: later than I think many people thought. But in the

483
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Speaker 2: right situation, he'll make us regret the decision to not

484
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Speaker 2: take him early.

485
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Speaker 1: So there was a guy that was mentioned to me

486
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Speaker 1: by a head coach, an offensive minded head coach, of

487
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Speaker 1: what he you know, one of the things they were

488
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Speaker 1: looking for in the offseason, whether it was in free

489
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Speaker 1: agency or in the draft. Kind of caught me off guard,

490
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Speaker 1: but he said, John Jennings. John Jennings with the forty

491
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Speaker 1: nine ers has that big, big physical slot because of

492
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Speaker 1: what he does for their run game and then also

493
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Speaker 1: for what he does from a mismatch standpoint, I think,

494
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Speaker 1: you know, Michael Thomas is probably the original one there.

495
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: Jennings doesn't get it the same targets in that Niner

496
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Speaker 1: offense because of all the other weapons. But he was

497
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Speaker 1: looking for that profile of a player, and I thought,

498
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Speaker 1: you know what, Kean Coleman could He could be that guy.

499
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: Uh that big fitsal slot if you want to use

500
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Speaker 1: him in there.

501
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you talk about Michael Thomas, but let's think

502
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: about like the Saints going back Marcus Colston.

503
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Speaker 3: Remember having yes, Marcus.

504
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 2: Another one big role played like Ken Coleman can do

505
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: some of those things.

506
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Speaker 1: That's a great comp I'm gonna use that comp by

507
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 1: the way from a baseball card. Ai.

508
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that the buzz has come off his like,

509
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: no one talks about it. We haven't talked about him.

510
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 2: We've been on math all week, haven't brought him up.

511
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: But during the year, this dude made a bunch of

512
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: acrobatic catches, catches. I think he's the one that we

513
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: was sleeping on. And you're right about the big slot receiver.

514
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: Larry Fitzgerald transitioned to that late in his career because

515
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Speaker 2: he can block and do that other stuff.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's something to that for sure.

517
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Speaker 1: I like it. All right, let's go to the tight

518
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Speaker 1: end position. I'll give you a couple of names here, Buck,

519
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Speaker 1: I'll go Jatavian Sanders, I will go with THEO Johnson,

520
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: and I will go with Jared Wiley. I'll get you

521
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: those three guys. Give me one of the three.

522
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Speaker 3: Okay, give me, give me the three names.

523
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: We have Jatavian Sanders from Texas, We've got THEO Johnson

524
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: from Penn State, and we've got Jared Wiley from TCU.

525
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: Oh man, man, this like because typically in these situations,

526
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 2: the guys that you think are gonna pop like athletically.

527
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't go because my natural thing is like, oh man,

528
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: if you can just get THEO Johnson to just he

529
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: would do it. I'm gonna go with Sanders from Texas.

530
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: Uh so when you watch him play on tape, like, uh,

531
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: this dude just gets open, he catches the ball naturally,

532
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: he makes plays. His production leads him to believe he'll

533
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Speaker 2: be able to replicate that at the next level. THEO Johnson,

534
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Speaker 2: I've never seen it, and it just makes me wonder

535
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Speaker 2: if we haven't seen it to this point.

536
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Speaker 3: Will we ever see it at a high level as

537
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: a playmaker?

538
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Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, I would have believe I've got Sanders there too,

539
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: So that's uh, that would be mine. But I think

540
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Speaker 1: Jared Wiley's intriguing just because the size of the length

541
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Speaker 1: actually down the red zone. He's a you know, both

542
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: him and THEO Johnson big big dudes. All right, let's

543
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: keep it rolling here. Let's go with the running back position.

544
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Speaker 1: I can give you the pick buck, So I'm not

545
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: going to even give you the names because I don't

546
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: think any running back in Nord to you believe any

547
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: of these running backs are going in the first round.

548
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: So if we're gonna say the bulk of these guys

549
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Speaker 1: I think go in the third round. Make the case

550
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Speaker 1: for one of them to go in round two.

551
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Speaker 3: Mmm.

552
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: Look, I'm gonna say this. I would like to think

553
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: that Will Shipley goes ahead of that. But DJ, when

554
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: I watch him, like and I know you're.

555
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: A Will Shipley guy, which is tough for you, is

556
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: a Carolina guy to be all in like this on

557
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: the class it is.

558
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: But you know what, man like DJ, you know how

559
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: we always do the thing and I'm always into the

560
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: background of what man, this dude was a high level

561
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: lacrosse player, right, So I started thinking about like the

562
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: Chris Hogan's of the world, the other players of the

563
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: world that have kind of played lacrosse and football. It

564
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: just kind of makes me think that he's gonna find

565
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: a way if I take him off the board. Though,

566
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: the guy that I would cast my lot with would

567
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: be Blake Korm from Michigan. And the reason why is

568
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: I think from a running just from his running style, djit,

569
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a more natural runner than

570
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: Blake Korm. His vision, his ability to jump cut, the

571
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 2: way he slithers in and out. I know he lacks

572
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: like all some of the things like we talk about,

573
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Speaker 2: like the elite speed and all that, but in terms

574
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Speaker 2: of just being a pure running back, Blake korm impresses me.

575
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 3: Every time I watched the.

576
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Speaker 1: Tape, I like it. We had The guy on I

577
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: would pick the other day was Marshawn Lloyd, just because

578
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: I like his I like the two hundred and twenty

579
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: pounds that he brings. Yeah, I like the fact he

580
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: can get through. He's got unbelievable contact balance, and he's

581
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: he's just strong, plays big. I just liked his profile,

582
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: so I would go with it.

583
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: So it's funny, so so and I can go with

584
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: both because with Marshawan and also with korm there is

585
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: something too, like the thick guy I just saw on

586
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: our network. They just replayed a thing of like Doug

587
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: Martin right from Boys. Yeah, and I'm thinking about Doug

588
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: mord and how I wasn't in love with him when

589
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: I when I watched him in colley, He's fine, But

590
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: then you watch him in the league and he has these

591
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: two hundred yard games and you can see the physicality

592
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: and the size of whatever. There's something to the guys

593
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: that have a little more to them in terms of

594
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: running the football between the tackles.

595
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Speaker 1: Do you know who my Blake Koram compass.

596
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so funny.

597
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: I literally just saw that yesterday and I'm looking at

598
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: it and it's a game he's playing against the Ry.

599
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: He goes for two hundred and some of yours with

600
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 3: Greg Ciano as the head coach. I'm like, man like,

601
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: I remember it. Boise I was not like.

602
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: He was just so strong. He was just so strong

603
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: and tough. You know, the same Blake Korm, the same guy. Now,

604
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: Blake Korm had more juice before the injury, so I'm

605
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: hoping that maybe some of that comes back the year

606
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: a year later now, but just the same kind of toughness,

607
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: compact strong. So that's funny that you said that, because

608
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I have in my notes for Blake Koram.

609
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: All right, how about uh, let's go let's go just

610
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: offensive line across the board buck. So if I'm gonna

611
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: go date two, I mean there's tackles. Uh, the interior guys,

612
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: you know who the interior guys are. Let's say, maybe

613
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: Fraser could be there. JPJ from Oregon could potentially be there.

614
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: I think those guys probably go one. Uh, look the

615
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: the the duke dude is going. He is gone. Yeah,

616
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: he's going, He's going in one. So those are the

617
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: interior guys and then the tackles. You know, people have

618
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: different opinions on the tackles, but I would say, Jordan

619
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: Morgan from Arizona, You've got uh b Yu, You've got

620
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame kid Fisher like those are you know

621
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: some of those guys.

622
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Hayes from Yukon to me is interesting.

623
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: The interior guy. Yeah, yeah, I think.

624
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: He's interesting just because, look, in offensive linemen are really

625
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: tricky because they really benefit from where they go in

626
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: the system that they plan. I think he has enough

627
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 2: toughness to go with just enough athleticism to kind of

628
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: fit in the right system. I think he's more of

629
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: a gap scheme player than his own scheme player, but

630
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: he has some of that mauler brawler to him.

631
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 3: It tends to play and play for a long time

632
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: in the league.

633
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's stay on the let's go stay

634
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: up front. I should say, let's go to the defensive

635
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: side of the ball. I'll give you ed your dts,

636
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: any of them that you can go with here as

637
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: a as a day to player the DTS, like we'll

638
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: see what happens with Fisk, Mason Smith, You've got You've

639
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: got Big Sweat from Texas. You've got Dwayne Carter from Duke,

640
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: Chris Jenkins from Michigan, or Row Row Row from Clemson.

641
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: Those are some of the dts. That's a great job,

642
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: the edge of the job. Thank you. I'm gonna go

643
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: with you of the dts and then real quick to

644
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: edge you guys, Marshawn Neeland probably goes into Braswell, probably

645
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: goes into you get into like Jonah ellis you getting

646
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: the Brelan Trice? Like those are those types of guys.

647
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: Let's go.

648
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 2: Let's go with Chris Jenkins from Michigan. And here's what

649
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: I'll say about Michigan guys. Man, I'm telling you my

650
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: perspective on Michigan guys changed with Rashan Garrett because I

651
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: used to be so hung up on the production and like, man,

652
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: they should be able to produce more, Like why don't

653
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: they have more?

654
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: And then he gets to the league and becomes a

655
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: pro bow caliber player.

656
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins has freakings athleticism, even though it's weird because

657
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: like he makes Bruce Felman's Freaks list and you see

658
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: all the numbers or whatever. And then he didn't really

659
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: dazzle on the press of the combine, like, didn't do that,

660
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: didn't even show the combine. It was fine, but it

661
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: wasn't that. But where he benefits to me, he benefits

662
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: from the family business. His dad Chris, his uncle Cullen.

663
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: Those guys played for a long time in the league,

664
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: and so much of being able to play in the

665
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: league is the knowledge and know how. I think he

666
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: becomes a much better player as a prodem was a

667
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: collegiate because he will be equipped with that knowledge in

668
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: terms of how to survive and thrive inside.

669
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he ran well. I mean he ran

670
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: four nine to one at two ninety nine. That's that's

671
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: pretty good. I think it's because maybe the expectation was

672
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: he was going to like go crazy.

673
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: I thought, I thought he's gonna blow it out. I

674
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: thought he's gonna do it brand Brandon fisted. That's what

675
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: I was. I was sitting there like, all, right, here

676
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: we go, you're one of my guys. I got my.

677
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: Little star on you. And yeah, so but he's talented.

678
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: Who do you think?

679
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: So when I look at those guys. If I was

680
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: going to pick a Day two guy that I think

681
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: is gonna hit, I'm gonna stick with this this kind

682
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: of I've been riding this train the whole time, and

683
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: that's with Marshawn Neeland from Western Michigan. I just think

684
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: that that rough, rugged profile I saw it with tweet

685
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: Polo two last year doing the Charger games. That translates. Man.

686
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, power is in vogue

687
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: right now as these offensive linemen do nothing but you know,

688
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: play kind of a finesse brand of football. In college,

689
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: you get you get a rough, rugged, two hundred and

690
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: seventy five pound guy who wants to just go through

691
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: your chest down after down after down after down. He

692
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: just he beats people up. Man, So I liked him.

693
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: I think he goes probably he maybe even goes in

694
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: the early third. I think he'll go mid to late

695
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: second to early third. But I just love I love

696
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: that style. I think that place well, the the Ravens

697
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: have drafted this type of player every year.

698
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: Well, look, I don't think you can ever go out.

699
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: I don't think you can ever go wrong with tough,

700
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: high effort guys. I think they just kind of find

701
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: a way to get it done and like for teams,

702
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: and I.

703
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: Mean, we'll talk about your guy later.

704
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: I've never been more impressed with a press conference than

705
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: Jim Harbor and the strength coach from the new strength

706
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: coach for the Chargers.

707
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen this whole coach? That's the first DJ.

708
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: It was like it was like catnip for a guy

709
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: that like coaches got He's talking about like, hey, I

710
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: got to teach.

711
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: Him like great, like just everything.

712
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: No Roder, you want to be.

713
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: Just everything.

714
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: And so DJ and I think about that, and you

715
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: talk about Baltimore and now I'm like, Okay, the Chargers

716
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: have one of those tough guy coaches, and you know,

717
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: we like toughness plays and it matters. And I just

718
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: think about all the guys, you know when you think

719
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: about like the Max Crosbies of the world, where they're

720
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: laid around guys, but man, their toughness and effort is

721
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: never questioned when you watch them on tape, Like you

722
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 2: never have any questions about how tough they are and

723
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: how hard they play. That goes a long way because

724
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: I think effort is a skill. It is a skill

725
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: that we have to rate. So yeah, I'm with you

726
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: on that all.

727
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: Right, linebacker wise, second round, third round type linebackers you

728
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: get to, uh, let's go. I mean, I think we

729
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: can really have your pick because I think there's a

730
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: chance we don't have one going one. So that's you're

731
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: talking about Edgerrin Cooper, You're talking about Peyton Wilson Junior, Colson,

732
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Cedric Gray, Trevin Wallace. You know, that's a whole host

733
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: of guys there. If you if you've got yeah, I've

734
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: already said one of these guys. One of these guys

735
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: is a pro bowler next year. Which one is?

736
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, let me take Peyton Wilson off.

737
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: I felt like I've had the Peyton Wilson party for

738
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: like last two weeks, So let's take him off. When

739
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: I look on tape and some of this is bloodlines

740
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: or whatever to me, Jeremiah Trotter makes a lot.

741
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: Of plays just on instincts and those things.

742
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: Jeremi Trodde Junior, he makes a lot of plays on

743
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: instincts and awareness, and he just kind of has an

744
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: innate feel for the position. And as we always talk about,

745
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: like so much of like success is tied to where

746
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: you go and what style you play DJ. I think

747
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: if Jeremi had tried to, Junior gets into a system

748
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: that allows him to kind of do what he does best,

749
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: which was seaball getball like he did at Clemson's. He

750
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: can be an impact player. Now we talk about Pro

751
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 2: Bowl stuff. I put my Pro Bowl stuff on Peyton Wilson,

752
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: but I think this guy would be a solid starter

753
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: who at the end of the year, we're like, man,

754
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: this dude really played really well for this team.

755
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would go Peyton Wilson too. As if I

756
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: was going to say one of these guys is a

757
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl or next year, that'd be probably my most

758
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: popular pick because he'll make splash plays that'll get attention

759
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: what he does there. I think Junior Colson just in

760
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 1: a similar vein of David Harris when he was come

761
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: out of Michigan. Oh yeah yeah, and inside linebacker Green

762
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: Dot running the show.

763
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 2: Make the call physical, Yeah all that like profile, and I.

764
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: Think we're getting to the world.

765
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: We've been at the point where you know what the

766
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: Michigan players have been through, so you know when they

767
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: come to the league it ain't gonna be too much one.

768
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: It's very similar to the way that we feel about

769
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: Georgia guys when they had the G on the helmet,

770
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: we kind of know. We talked to Lat McConkie the

771
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: other day and Lat McConkie was just like, hey man,

772
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: the DNA two time national champion, all the stuff that

773
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: we went through. I feel like when I get to

774
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: the league, I kind of know what it's like to win.

775
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: I feel the same thing comes with the guys in Michigan.

776
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: Those guys kind of know they've been through it. They're

777
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: tough enough. So Jimmy Colston certainly has a bright career.

778
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: No, that's good stuff, all right. Secondary I'll love them

779
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: together because we're almost out of time. I'll give you

780
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: your choice corners. Safety's a Day two player that you love,

781
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: I told you the other day mine. So Max Melton's

782
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: one that I've come up on, and he's my fiftieth player.

783
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: I just think he's somebody that could go middle bottom two,

784
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: maybe three, but somebody you look up next year and

785
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he started seventeen games and a

786
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: really good player.

787
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a really good one. How about Javon

788
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: Bullet from Georgia DJ when we just talk about it

789
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: and I feel like we've talked about this for years.

790
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: We kind of coined the term positionless football, and we're

791
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: seeing so many of these dbs that play the quote

792
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: unquote star position for their teams. Well, Bullet is one

793
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: that has bounced around, play safety, play star, done some

794
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 2: different things. That versatility is everything now because we're seeing

795
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: people use big nickel, little nickel safety, plays high, safety,

796
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 2: plays low.

797
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 3: Having that guy that has that.

798
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: Experience, like a Bullet, He's gonna have a lot of success.

799
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: He's gonna have a lot of success in the system

800
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: that plays it.

801
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: And I've learned a lot watching the Ravens and how

802
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 2: they did Cayle Hamilton and how they've done other safeties

803
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: and allowed them to get going.

804
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 3: So Bullet is a guy that I would kind of

805
00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: cast my lot with.

806
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. See we've got some new names

807
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: in there. Fun to talk about those guys. Anything else

808
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: you want to throw in their buck before we get

809
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: out of here. I know you got to go do paths,

810
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: so I gotta let you cut you loose here.

811
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: No, like DJ, this is the fun time of year.

812
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: And you talked about we talked about at the beginning

813
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: people have to ignore the noise. So those who are

814
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: kind of keeping score at home, doing their own evaluations

815
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: in those things, don't get caught up trying to chase

816
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: the latest mock drafts. Like whatever you feel about a player,

817
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: stick and pick, because when we get to it and

818
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: we start talking about these players in October, you're gonna

819
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 2: kick yourself if you change because you were influenced by

820
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: the latest mock draft of what people are saying, they're hearing.

821
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: Trust what you've seen on tape. Put the pen down.

822
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: Don't make extra switches and changes.

823
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: The mistakes that I feel like I've made are the

824
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: last minute switches a week or two ahead of the draft, Like,

825
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 2: go ahead and stay true to what you believed months ago,

826
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: because a lot of times that initial instinct is the

827
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: right one.

828
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: A lot of times I'll start with an opinion on

829
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: a player round and then I drifts and floats, and

830
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you get back to the very end.

831
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: You're like, I want to wait, Just go back to

832
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: where I had it the first time. Man, That's that's

833
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: usually the best way.

834
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 2: It is funny because I've seen you have conversations about

835
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: the Drake may thing. I think d made the conversation.

836
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: It's I think it's going to come back to what

837
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: the evaluation was, what we talked about in the fall,

838
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: and people that look through all the other stuff and

839
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: at the end of the day we're like, hey, what

840
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: what what are we talking about? Like, Hey, he s

841
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: four two twenty five, he's a good kid, IQ this

842
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: and that. Yeah, I know we talked about a production,

843
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: but I know this. They don't grow on trees doing

844
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: the stuff that he can do, so I be interested.

845
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: I would get to it.

846
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: On that note. I was talking to a gim about

847
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: him the other day and he said, look, I want

848
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: watched him play live last year and I was like,

849
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: this will be a tough decision Caleb Drake, you know,

850
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: a year from now. And he's like, what am I

851
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: just supposed to flush that out of my brain? Like

852
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: that's what I watched him play live, and that's what

853
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: I thought, Like, this is that this is what you're

854
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: looking for. This guy can do all that stuff.

855
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: So so so so that's the thing, and I look

856
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: and I feel like, as the tar Hill Homer, I'm

857
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: probably harder on him because I've seen every game that

858
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: he's ever played in, you know, so sometimes as an evaluator,

859
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: you can have too much exposure to him, and I

860
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: feel like I'm at the point where I'm nitpicking because

861
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: the dude has talent, and we've talked about the things

862
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: that you need to have arm talent, athleticism, IQ, toughness, UH,

863
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: the ability to get along with everybody.

864
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: He has all that stuff. So you're right kind.

865
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: Of one thing because I know we're gonna leave, but

866
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: I was going to bring this up because I was

867
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Speaker 1: looking at taking some notes from this conversation that I

868
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: had but on Drake, last thing on that and we'll

869
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: we'll wrap it up. But one of the things that's

870
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: kind of annoyed me, I guess about this draft process.

871
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: Not maybe that's not the right word, but just m hm,

872
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: when when we when you've heard this take, and I'm

873
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: sure you've heard it on Caleb, Caleb Williams didn't play

874
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: in the bowl game and Miller Moss do for three

875
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards and six touchdowns. So what does that mean?

876
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 1: Like he counted Caleb Williams. Why didn't Caleb Williams play

877
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: that good? A couple things on that number one that

878
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: was a backup bowl. Okay, that was Louisville wasn't playing

879
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes, no s. He was missing some

880
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: piece s. He putting new guys in. It's a different

881
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: it's a different atmosphere. And if you're going to do that,

882
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: did you see what neuss Meyer did playing for LSU

883
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: and their bowl game against Wisconsin? Because I looked it up,

884
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is anybody talking about that? Neus Meyer

885
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: was thirty one or forty five for three hundred and

886
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: ninety five yards, three touchdowns and a pick. I'm like,

887
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: it just feels like Caleb just gets picked on with

888
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: that stuff. And then I went back and I was like,

889
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: let me look at the let me look at the

890
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: Carolina Bowl game.

891
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: They played Virginia West Virginia.

892
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: It could get a first down, they scored ten points

893
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: and the backup was eighteen of twenty seven for one

894
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety nine yards, one touchdown and two picks.

895
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: And it was I'm like, if you're going to do

896
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: anything with these bowl games, you ought to give Drake

897
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: may a credit for being competitive with what he was

898
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: playing with no offense to your tar heels. But that

899
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: was not a good team in it.

900
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: And it was all early and I think the other

901
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: thing that people miss first time with a new offensive coordinator,

902
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: so he had Bil Longo the previous year, who Sam

903
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 2: Howell had, so he spent two years of field long ago.

904
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: They get a new offensive coordinated, new system, meaning new

905
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: emphasis and no matter what you say, air raid whatever like,

906
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: everyone runs it differently.

907
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: I think he struggled with that.

908
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: I also think that the part where people have to

909
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: understand Drake May has only played football in two of

910
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: the last four years, didn't play a senior year, only

911
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: played in four games as a resser freshman, didn't really

912
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: play much because Sam Howell was there and then he

913
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: started the last two. You pointed out what he did

914
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: that twenty twenty two year DJ. Look, man, you just

915
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: don't do what he did. Thirty five hundred thirty five touchdowns,

916
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: seven hundred rushing year, like six hundred rushing yard, seven

917
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: touch like the dudes that Kylin Murray, Deshaun Watson, Marcus Mario,

918
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: all those guys, and all those guys have played in

919
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: the league.

920
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: So he has special talent.

921
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: And even the drop off, when we talk about the

922
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: drop off, the drop off isn't terrible. The drop off

923
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: isn't what he was in twenty twenty two, and I

924
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: just believe, and some of this is clouded by the

925
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: fact that in the industry and the business that we're in,

926
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: everyone is looking for like the hot take, for something different.

927
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm gonna put jayde and Daniels number one over

928
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: Kayler Williams. I'm gonna drop this. JJ McCarthy goes over

929
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: Drake May.

930
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: Whereas if we go back and we sit and think

931
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: about what we really said in the fall, what we

932
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: said in the fall is that this is gonna come

933
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: down to Kayler Williams and Drake May. And there are

934
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: people that have real conversations about Drake May being number

935
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: one overall at the quarterback spot. When he talks about

936
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, he talks about all that other stuff. I

937
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: just think, even for me, I need to pause and

938
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: go back and say, hey, man, when we talk about

939
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: checking off the box, it's not about production all the way.

940
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's the projection. And if we want to project

941
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 2: who typically plays in the league. The guy who plays

942
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 2: in the league is six four, twenty five pounds, big

943
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: time arm talent.

944
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: You who has athleticism, that would be Drake Man.

945
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just again, this is just all off the

946
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: cuff you. We weren't even planning on talking about all

947
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: this stuff. But to me, my whole point was like,

948
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: I just don't like it when people use one cherry

949
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: pick thing to try to know.

950
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of those because there's a lot

951
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: of that because the other thing that is not true

952
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: in the business as a scout, it ain't just the

953
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: last season that they play, and I know I should

954
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: yeah it's not the last, but it's not.

955
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: It's the entire audioity of the work.

956
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: We're supposed to look at him the entire way and

957
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: use all of that information to make the evaluation.

958
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 3: So all of that comes into it.

959
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: Just like with Caleb Caleb's freshman year, his sophomore year

960
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: also counts with this year, so all of this stuff

961
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: has to be a part of the evaluation. It's not

962
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: just the final time that we see him. Because I

963
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: had an old Scott Timmy. If they've done it once,

964
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: they certainly can do it again. So that's why you

965
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: got splashes.

966
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. So it'll be interesting. I've had Drake going

967
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: to the whole time and I and I look, all

968
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: three of those quarterbacks are top six players for me,

969
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: so I like all of them. I hope they're all successful,

970
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: but that I don't know. That's where I've been on that.

971
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: We'll see how it all, how it all comes down,

972
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: all right, I kept you long, Buck, appreciate it. Man,

973
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: go crushing on path and we'll catch up again early

974
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Speaker 1: next week