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Speaker 1: Trade number three the Bucks get a two way guard

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Speaker 1: to put next to Damian Lillard. So the framework of

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Speaker 1: this trade would be Marjon Bouchamp and a second round pick,

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Speaker 1: specifically a second round pick they have from Portland that

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Speaker 1: is going is projected to be in the upper half

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Speaker 1: of the second round, so effectively is like a very

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Speaker 1: late first round pick, if that makes sense. But the

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Speaker 1: framework of the trade wuld be Marjen Bouchamp and a

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Speaker 1: second round pick for Chris Dunn. Now Chris Dunn for

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Speaker 1: those of you guys who have been following the league

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Speaker 1: in a more broad sense. This year with the Utah

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Speaker 1: Jazz has been one of the best perimeter defenders in

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Speaker 1: the league. He's got super long arms, he's got like

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Speaker 1: a six nine to sixty ten wingspan. He's very physical,

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Speaker 1: he's very athletic, he's very active. He can actually guard

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Speaker 1: up a little bit. But he's just one of the

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Speaker 1: better point of attack defenders in the league. And he's

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Speaker 1: actually been shooting really well this year. He's got one

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Speaker 1: point twenty five points per catch and shoot jump shot

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Speaker 1: this year. That's outstanding. He's converting spot at possessions at

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Speaker 1: one point to one points per possession, albeit not super aggressive,

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Speaker 1: but if you leave him open, he has been making

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Speaker 1: teams pay this year. He also has like a little

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Speaker 1: bit of off the dribble pop where he like late

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Speaker 1: light clock like rescue possessions and stuff. He's a guard.

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Speaker 1: He can make a dribble combination into a bolt jumper

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Speaker 1: if he needs to. He's actually had a pretty solid

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Speaker 1: offensive season at super super low volume. But the idea

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Speaker 1: here is like that, that's what Chris Dunn does for

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Speaker 1: a living. He defends this is an example of a

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Speaker 1: player because, like you, when you look at Andre Jackson

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Speaker 1: Junior and Marjon Bochamp and some of the other options

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Speaker 1: that the Bucks have tried at the two this year,

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Speaker 1: they're athletic wings that have potential to be outstanding options

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Speaker 1: in those spots. But it's the classic trade off, and

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers has shown you he's not interested in playing

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Speaker 1: the young guys anymore. He wants to lean into the vets, right,

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Speaker 1: So like, the potential that those guys have doesn't really

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Speaker 1: match up with what the actual goal is of this

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Speaker 1: team within this season. And so obviously you're giving up

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Speaker 1: a young potential wing in Marzn Bolchamp, You're obviously giving

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Speaker 1: up a pretty high quality second round pick, but you're

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Speaker 1: putting yourself in a situation where you have a different

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Speaker 1: look in your backcourt. To be clear, Malik Beasley's having

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Speaker 1: an amazing season, shooting the basketball ridiculously well. I personally

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Speaker 1: have been impressed with this just level of commitment and

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Speaker 1: trying to get the defensive end right, especially in the

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Speaker 1: last month or two after it was a little dicey

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Speaker 1: down with it. You may decide that you prefer the

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Speaker 1: offensive upside of Malik Beasley over the defensive upside of

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Speaker 1: a guy like Chris Dunn. But the idea is you

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Speaker 1: doesn't have it, that the shots not falling, and you're

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Speaker 1: in a tough spot if you don't have a reliable

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Speaker 1: option you can go to there and like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure Pat Conington is that I'm not sure campaign is

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Speaker 1: that right? But you can imagine a universe. We've seen before,

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Speaker 1: by the way, the combination of like really active perimeter

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Speaker 1: defense with rim protection with Giannis and Brook Lopez and

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Speaker 1: we were just talking about this with the Phoenix Suns

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Speaker 1: a minute ago, but like, excuse me, with the Boston

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Speaker 1: Celtics a minute ago. But like real active perimeter defense

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Speaker 1: combined with real rim protection can go a long way

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Speaker 1: towards disrupting an offense. And so that's an example of

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Speaker 1: a deal that allows the Bucks to have a real

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Speaker 1: option to go lean more into defense. At the two

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Speaker 1: spot next to Dame, you might have to again, we

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Speaker 1: talked about winning different ways. The Bucks can outscore people.

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Speaker 1: We know they can, although their offense is faltered out

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Speaker 1: of late. But the truth of the matter is is

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Speaker 1: it'd be really helpful if you could win in the

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Speaker 1: mud too, and Chris Don would just give you a

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Speaker 1: better chance to do that. All right, two more trades

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Speaker 1: and then we're out here. Next one, the Lakers form

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Speaker 1: a Big four, so that you guys have probably all

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Speaker 1: seen the framework of this trade. It's been thrown around

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Speaker 1: by a million people, but the basic gist of it

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Speaker 1: would be Dangelo Russell to the Brooklyn Nets, Spencer Dinwiddie

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Speaker 1: and the Lakers twenty twenty nine first round pick to

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Hawks, and Dejonte Murray to the Lakers. Now,

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Speaker 1: Deonte has been playing pretty well as of late, so

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Speaker 1: the Lakers might even have to throw more draft compensation

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Speaker 1: on top of that. But basically the gist of it

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Speaker 1: is draft compensation and D'Angelo Russell with the Nets fulfilling

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Speaker 1: the third team role in that to take on D'Angelo

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Speaker 1: Russell and send Spencer Dinwiddie to the Atlanta Hawks. But

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Speaker 1: draft compensation is essentially what Atlanta is getting in the process.

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Speaker 1: So a couple different things. First of all, I actually

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Speaker 1: season of his career and specifically is good with offensive organization,

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Speaker 1: which is a point of weakness for the Brooklyn Nets,

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Speaker 1: And so at ways like, I actually just think Dangel

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Speaker 1: Russell's a better fit for Brooklyn than Spencer Dinwoodie as

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Speaker 1: a player that they've been pretty frustrated with this year

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Speaker 1: for the Hawks, you get a highly valuable first round

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Speaker 1: pick to use in your rebuild around Jalen Johnson and

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Speaker 1: Trey Young. Now, remember, for the Lakers at twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: nine first, that's after Lebron leaves. This is an organization

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Speaker 1: that has we're gonna get into it today, but they

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Speaker 1: they have really really screwed the pooch on this one

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Speaker 1: in so many different ways over the course of the

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Speaker 1: last you know, five years, between letting Brook Lopez go

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Speaker 1: for nothing, letting Julius Randall go for nothing, letting Alex

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Speaker 1: Caruso go for nothing, the Russell Westbrook trade, just the

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Speaker 1: sheer lack of understanding or appreciation for how important quality

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Speaker 1: role players are alongside your stars. It's very possible that

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Speaker 1: when Lebron James retires that this thing goes nose diving

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Speaker 1: into the ground. I would imagine if you ask the

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Speaker 1: general managers around the league that twenty twenty nine Lakers

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Speaker 1: first is very, very valuable, and again especially if they

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Speaker 1: in lieu of how well de Jhontay Murray's been playing. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: and things along those lines to tie games, to win games,

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Speaker 1: to ice games. He's just been a really, really good

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Speaker 1: late game shot maker, and I think that's added some

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Speaker 1: value to him around the league. I think teams are

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Speaker 1: seeing just how important it is to have guys like that,

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Speaker 1: that real firepower in the lineup right. So again like

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Speaker 1: some highly valuable draft compensation to help you rebuild around

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Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson and Trey Young. Jalen Johnson so exciting. He

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Speaker 1: had tip dunk against the Warriors the other night, where

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Speaker 1: like he literally dunked it with his arms like out

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Speaker 1: in front of him like this, like his head was

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Speaker 1: at the rim, and I was like, this is just

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Speaker 1: a disgusting athlete that you're building around with Trey. So

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Speaker 1: the idea for the Lakers de Jontay Murray would help

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Speaker 1: the Lakers improve in a bunch of key ways. Number One,

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Speaker 1: he would anchor their perimeter defense. This is something that

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Speaker 1: has been an issue for them all season, was an

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Speaker 1: issue again in the next game when they were having

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Speaker 1: trouble finding a body to throw Jalen Brunson. It's an

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Speaker 1: even bigger issue now that Jared Vanderbilt out of the lineup.

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Speaker 1: Jontay Murray is not the best perimeter defender in the world.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't been ass committed in those areas, but just

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Speaker 1: in terms of actual physical tools for the position, he's

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Speaker 1: way better than anything the Lakers have had there in

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Speaker 1: a long time in the guard spot. So basically since

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Speaker 1: Alex Caruso and so that to me is the first

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Speaker 1: and biggest way to Jante Murray can help number two.

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Speaker 1: You provide more reliable dribble penetration. Jontay Murray can actually

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Speaker 1: stare eyed eye with some of the best perimeter defenders

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Speaker 1: in the league beat them off the dribble, which is

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Speaker 1: immensely valuable in a bunch of different ways. One, it's

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Speaker 1: getting the defense into rotation, creating advantage situations to rim pressure.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about rim pressures of value before. That's what

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Speaker 1: kind of opens up that second wave of athleticism with

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Speaker 1: Lebron and with you know, some of their other active

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Speaker 1: Things along those lines. You got to actually engage rim

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Speaker 1: Lakers have not been very good at this year. The

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Speaker 1: Lakers have been one of the worst teams in the

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Speaker 1: game shot making to the table in a big way

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Speaker 1: this year and it's been super, super helpful. We just

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Speaker 1: in that area. Austin Reeves can make some big time shots,

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Speaker 1: league is it's gonna be a little more challenging for

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Speaker 1: him to create those looks. Anthony Davis can be inconsistent

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Speaker 1: with his over the top shot making. De Jontay Murray

644
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: and his ability to just hit those tough pull up

645
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: fifteen footers, would go a long way towards just adding

646
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: some margin for error in the Lakers clutch offense. And then,

647
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: last but not least, he would get you a gigantic

648
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: step closer to a clear cut starting lineup. In a

649
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: clear cut closing lineup, I personally would put Vanderbuilt in

650
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: that group, but I even think you could get away

651
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: with Torrian Prince in a bigger way. One of the

652
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: big things I've noticed with Torrian Prince, and this is

653
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: something I've talked about all season. My issue with starting

654
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: Torrian Prince is gigantic minutes and playing him next to

655
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: two non athletes and D'Angelo Russell and Austin Reeves. I

656
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: don't think Torrian Prince is not good enough to start

657
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I think I think it's one of

658
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 1: those things where if he's very clearly your fifth best player,

659
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: and if you can slot him properly, meaning like he's

660
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: not guarding the other team's best perimeter offensive weapon but

661
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: maybe their second best perimeter offensive weapon. If he's getting

662
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: higher quality looks because you're generating more dribble penetration, a

663
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: lot of that can work. I even think we've seen

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Speaker 1: that this season in some of the better moments for

665
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: the Lakers, when you know that stretch right before the

666
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: n season Tournament, when Cam Reddish was at the two,

667
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: having a real athlete that could slot Torrian Prince properly.

668
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: As of late, it's been Max Christie. Having Max Christie

669
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: out there is a real athlete that can take those higher,

670
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: higher difficulty of perimeter defense assignments. Slotting Tory Prince properly

671
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: is the biggest issue. Like he just was in a

672
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: situation where next to D'Angel Russell and Austin Reeves, he's

673
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: the guy that has to do all the dirty work

674
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: and that's just not his strength. That's not something that

675
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: he that's not what he gets paid to do in

676
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: the NBA. And so to me, Dejontay Murray just kind

677
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: of like balances so many different things for the Lakers.

678
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: Lakers have won ten of their last sixteen games and

679
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: things are starting to trend in the right direction again.

680
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: One of those losses was with Anthony Davis out of

681
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: the lineup as well. The offense in particular is getting

682
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: way better. It's really interesting about a month ago, I

683
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: was just about all out on the idea of the

684
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: Lakers five out offense. One of the big things that's

685
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of stood out to me over the years is

686
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: like they prefer to play a real slow down, bullieball

687
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: style of basketball. It's much more brute force offense than

688
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: you would think. And I always was I kept coming

689
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: back to the same thing, like they move the ball

690
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: around and play like some fluid basketball and then they

691
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: just kind of like degenerate down into their brute force

692
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: offense again. And so I was skeptical as to whether

693
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: or not the five out would ever work for this group,

694
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: simply because of the fact that they did not seem

695
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: to be you know, wired like that, if that makes sense.

696
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: And a lot has changed on that front over the

697
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: course of this end of January and early portion of February,

698
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: Like it's starting to look like this team is actually

699
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: comfortable moving the ball around a lot, staying in that

700
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, pass, screen, cut, drive, kick kind of like

701
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: five out system, which is which which requires a commitment

702
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: to ball movement. And I've been impressed just with their

703
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of leaning into it in a lot of ways,

704
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: especially Lebron James and Anthony Davis, because them in particular,

705
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's the way that they've liked to

706
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: play the most over the course of the last half decade,

707
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: but it's leading to some real offensive results. We're seeing

708
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: some really high assist games for the Lakers there consistently

709
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: getting these like thirty five thirty seven assist games that

710
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: are just that just weren't happening early on in the season,

711
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: and so a lot of encouraging stuff on the Lakers front. Again,

712
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: like I said, I want to see a twenty five

713
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: game stretch where they're truly dominant. Ten and six over

714
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: sixteen is good, but it's not good enough. They've got

715
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: more work to do, and it could go a long way.

716
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: You beat Denver on Thursday and you beat the Pelicans,

717
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: I think it's on Saturday. Both of those games are

718
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: at home. You win both of those games. Now we're

719
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: talking about a twelve and six stretch capped off by

720
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: some real quality wins between beating Boston and Boston, beating

721
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: the Nickson Madison Square Garden, getting the monkey off your

722
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: back by beating Denver, beating that Pelicans team that just

723
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: beat them pretty badly when they went down to New Orleans.

724
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: That's what stands in front of them an opportunity to

725
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: demonstrate a clear like we won sixty six percent of

726
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: our games over the course of a month and a

727
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: half and beat a bunch of quality opponents. That to

728
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: me is like one of those like checkboxes that you

729
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: have to check if you want to really have a

730
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: chance to win the NBA title. And I thought this

731
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: last week was a good step in the right direction

732
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: for the Lakers, And then last week my last trade

733
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: for today's show, the Oklahoma City Thunder finalize their core.

734
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: So the structure of this trade would be something like

735
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: Josh Giddy and Alexei Pokashevski plus some large amount of

736
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: draft compensation, whether that's you know, five first round picks

737
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: or four first round picks or whatever it is. But

738
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: that's what I would offer if I was Oklahoma City

739
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: for Lori Markinen from the Utah Jazz. So to me,

740
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: the Thunder core is clear. Shake Yodess, Alexander and Jalen

741
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: Williams are your offensive initiators. They're your number one option

742
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: and your number two option in terms of the guys

743
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: that are gonna bring the ball up the floor and

744
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: basically create that initial advantage. Right, lou dort Is the

745
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: textbook three and D wing. He's as good an option

746
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: in the league as you can find to throw out

747
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: the other team's best player, and he's very good at

748
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: knocking down catching shoot threes in attacking closeouts. Right and then,

749
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: chet Holmgren is the ideal stretch that can run pick

750
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: and pop, which is one of the most difficult actions

751
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: to guard in the NBA, while also providing you real

752
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: rim protection on the other end of the floor. But

753
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: what they don't have. The one thing they do not

754
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: have on the roster is a big, athletic forward that

755
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: can help them hold up better in the physicality areas

756
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: of the game. Even despite being the number one seed

757
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference, the thunder are still the second

758
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: worst defensive rebounding team in the league. And so Laurie

759
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: could not be a better fit. And to me, there

760
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: are three reasons why. Number One, he does not need

761
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: the basketball. He's averaging twenty four points per game on

762
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: sixty five percent true shooting despite only running one hundred

763
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: and seven ISOs, post ups, and pick and rolls this year,

764
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: So he's not a guy that is initiating the offense.

765
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: He's doing almost everything as a play finisher, He's made

766
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty five field goals this year, one

767
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two of them, so basically half have

768
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: been catching shoot jumpers. Another eighty of his made field

769
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: goals have been off of cuts in offensive rebounds, so

770
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: like well over two thirds of his offense basically scoring

771
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: off the catch, scoring off the cut, scoring off the

772
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: offensive rebound. That's significant. He's only made thirty six pull

773
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: up jumpers, floaters, and hooks all season. To me, what

774
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: that means is he's super easy. Just to add into

775
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: the mold, I wanted to shout out a buddy of

776
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: mine just to provide this example. So my buddy Chas

777
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: Mac he played at Cornell and he plays with me

778
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: and my men's league team on Sundays. And it's funny

779
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: because our team has an interesting construct like me and

780
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: this guy named Josh are basically the two primary ball

781
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: handlers on the team. We both played in college. Josh

782
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: is more of like a past first guy. I'm more

783
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: of like a score first guy. So we compliment each

784
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: other in that way. But Chaz is like a perfect

785
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: fit for us because he never puts the ball on

786
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: the floor. He often leads our team in scoring, but

787
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: it never disrupts the flow of our team because he

788
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: only plays off the catch, and so he'll sprint the

789
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: floor in transition every single time. So if you see

790
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: him up the floor, you can push the bat ball ahead.

791
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: He's gonna get a layup or hit a corner three

792
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: while he's running in transition. If you are running pick

793
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: and roll and you draw an extra defender over and

794
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: Chas's man SAgs, you throw the ball to him. He's

795
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: gonna either knock down to catch the shoot three or

796
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: is gonna be able to attack the clothes out. Oh,

797
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: they run his zone against us. He's really good at

798
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: just catching and turning and hitting shots at like fifteen feet. Oh,

799
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: he can run the baseline and finish there too. He's

800
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: got good size. He's like six ' four and pretty

801
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: big and strong. And like, it's so funny because I

802
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: always talk I always compliment Chazz when I'm talking basketball

803
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: with the guys around town, because like, I can't tell

804
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: you just how much better he's made us, because he's

805
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: just super easy to play with. He defends, he plays

806
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: his role. He can score the shit out of the basketball,

807
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: but in a way that doesn't disrupt the flow of

808
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: your team at all whatsoever. And that to me is

809
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: what Lorii Marknen can do for the Oklahoma City Thunder.

810
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: He can help them in the physicality areas. He can

811
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: shore up the defensive glass. Lourie averages nine rebounds a

812
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: game and just thirty two point thirty two point six minutes.

813
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: He's an excellent athlete. He's like seven feet tall, brings

814
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: like real power and force to the position. But he

815
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: also has the ability to just be a shoeing fit

816
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: on the offensive end and make everything easy for them

817
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: on that end of the floor. I think you can

818
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: also craft a pretty easy and achievable defensive role for him,

819
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: Like you don't need him to guard on the perimeter.

820
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: Lou Dorton, Jaylen Williams and Shay got that under control, right,

821
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: Like you don't need him to anchor your pick and

822
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: roll defense or protect the rim. Because Chet's got that

823
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: under control. You can give him a classic low man

824
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: type of role, or he's always guarding the fifth best shooter,

825
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: where he's always in that weak side, just stepping over

826
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: to help whenever Chet gets engaged, whether that's cleaning up

827
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: after a pump fake to block a shot, or that's

828
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: cleaning up the defensive glass or rotating back out to

829
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: the weak side. I think it's an obvious fit. And

830
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: most importantly, he fits your timeline and you can afford him.

831
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: You have the assets to go out and get him,

832
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: and again the case. So the last piece of this,

833
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: and this is something that I'm sure a lot of

834
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: Thunder fans have thought about, is like, yeah, but what

835
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: about like the urgency element, Like do we need to

836
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: overpay for Lori Markenen. We still have so much time

837
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: with this core. They're still so young, we still don't

838
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: know anything about what they're going to look like in

839
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: the long run. And to me, it really comes down

840
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: to this, He's literally perfect. He's the perfect player for

841
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: this position. And then two, the way I look at it,

842
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: repetition matters, losing and building scar tissue matters. This year,

843
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: the Thunder will have in all likelihood like they'll probably

844
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: be favored in their first round series, so they're gonna

845
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: get at least two weeks of playoff basketball, maybe four

846
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: weeks of playoff basketball. That could be very, very important

847
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: to the development of this core. And to me, I

848
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: would I'd prefer to have my core five guys available

849
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: for that and rather than kind of like getting a

850
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: playoff run in with this core and not knowing what

851
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: the construct of the team is going to look like.

852
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a more clear cut five man

853
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: group to run with long term than Shay, Jalen, lou Lourie,

854
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: and Chet. But those five together, let them start their

855
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: battles now, let them start their awards, let them build

856
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Speaker 1: their scar tissue, let them learn what they're made of.

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Speaker 1: I think that, probably more than any other trade on

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Speaker 1: this list, is the one I want to see the most,

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Speaker 1: simply because I just think. I think it's one of

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Speaker 1: those ones where it would be an overpay in all

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Speaker 1: likelihood because Utah would have all the leverage, but the

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Speaker 1: thunder have the assets. To me, they have the group.

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Speaker 1: There is no more question marks surrounding the team at

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Speaker 1: that point. That to me is the direction that they

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Speaker 1: should go. All right, guys, that is all I have

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Speaker 1: for today. I will tweet out later this afternoon when

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Speaker 1: whatever I record with Chris Mannix is finished, and then

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Speaker 1: also this evening when me and Colin get our show out,

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Speaker 1: I will tweet that one out as well. As always.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, guys, and I'll see you. Then the

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Speaker 1: volume