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Speaker 2: By Gosh, welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm

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Speaker 2: That movie is called Undefeated. Guys, I sincerely believe our

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Speaker 2: you and me seeing a place in need and deciding, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know what I can help. That's what Charmaine Solomon,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: What did you get here this morning? Did you yeah?

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Speaker 1: I was born and raised in South Africa and came

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Speaker 1: In ninety nine and so we came here. We went

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Speaker 2: I got it. So what did he do in South Africa?

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Speaker 2: I got it. So have you worked outside the home before?

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Speaker 1: what are you going to do with Carl. I'm like,

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00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, what can I do with Carl? And

437
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: the same thing back, I don't know what And so

438
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: they give me some little list with that head names

439
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: on and I went out and did some homework and

440
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: I was even more depressed by that because the places

441
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: that I went to, I was just devastated to see

442
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: the states of the facilities that they were in. They

443
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: were in some back room.

444
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: It almost feels like the scene out of one Flow

445
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: over the Cocaoinile.

446
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: I promised you. It felt like institutions and it smelled badly.

447
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: It smelled, you know, of urine, and I was like,

448
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even put my dog there, and there's no

449
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: way that I'm going to put my child there. And

450
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,239
Speaker 1: that began the journey. All I remember thinking, I'm going

451
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: to get a bus. These people are coming with me.

452
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know where they're going, but they're coming with

453
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: me because I can't leave them in this place.

454
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Speaker 2: I remember the same, not verbatim and certainly not with

455
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: your accent, but almost the same. My mother in law,

456
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: Peggy Ben's mother. I remember her same anxiety, her same stress.

457
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: What am I going to do? And the options are few,

458
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: exactly and honestly, and I you know, minus the drama

459
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: of the movie One flo Over as a cuckoon us,

460
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: but if you think about an institutionalized, barred up place

461
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: with seats and a TV in a corner and a

462
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: bunch of people sitting around doing nothing, staring at that TV,

463
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: that's what these places feel like to me.

464
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: And they were not, I mean, and it's not even

465
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: a decent facility. It's like a little back room somewhere.

466
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

467
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we live in Texas, so we

468
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: still have a state school, and I don't know why.

469
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Somebody invited me to come to the state school to

470
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: come and see if that could potentially be an option

471
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Speaker 1: for my child. I remember going to visit that state

472
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: school and I was like, Oh, my gosh, exactly what

473
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: you're describing, except that everybody was highly medicated. And so

474
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: I was looking at this and I was like, you know,

475
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: that's how they, I guess, do compliance is with medication.

476
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this? How is this? How

477
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: is this even allowed to be a thing that we do.

478
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: These are human beings. They have the same ones in

479
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: designs and needs as you and I. Why would that

480
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: be denied to this population? And it's a silent population.

481
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: Nobody says anything.

482
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: I want to share with our audience. And you may

483
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: or may not have heard this, but you probably do.

484
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: You're far more of an expert at this than I am.

485
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: But I once asked about the medication and the answer was,

486
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: there's five or six staff. There's seventy or eighty people here,

487
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: and when they have behavioral problems or outbursts, we can't

488
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: handle them, so we just dumb them down with MUDs.

489
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: And then the question is, well, why in the world

490
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: are they acting out well? I don't know. Let's forget

491
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: special needs. Everybody listen to us. Take your two or

492
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: twenty three year old child and stick them in that

493
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 2: environment and see if they don't get frustrated pretty quickly exactly,

494
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: And see if they don't start acting out, And see

495
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: if they don't start start acting out on their own

496
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: frustration and boredom and all of that. It is no different.

497
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: These special needs people. Don't think they don't know what's

498
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: going on. They do, they do.

499
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: And also the lack of dignity, you know, you take

500
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: that piece as well.

501
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: The dignity is such a good way.

502
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: That somebody is touching you, you know, doing all these

503
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: things to you, and you can't say yes or no.

504
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: It's just done. I mean, can you imagine. I don't

505
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: think I would do well. They'd have to medicate me too.

506
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't do well with that kind of stuff.

507
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: So no, it was it was really a hard I

508
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: mean I just remember thinking to myself, oh my gosh,

509
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: I am so depressed. What am I going to do?

510
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm working full time. I mean, I'm a career person.

511
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: I've always worked. What am I going to do? Because

512
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, at school and we said well, what happens

513
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: when the bus stops. Because the bus comes in the morning,

514
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: it brings them home in the afternoon. You can manage

515
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: working when that happens, But what happens when that goes away?

516
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: And that was you know that that's what happens when

517
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: school's over.

518
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: And anxiety sets in, frustration sets in. And then we

519
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: ask ourselves, knowing all this while, would parents put their

520
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: kids in that spot? Well, if desperate, if you're making

521
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: a living and barely hanging in there, and you have

522
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: a special needs child, especially if you're a single parent,

523
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: what other option do you have? Even though it breaks

524
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: your heart?

525
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: And what I came to understand is that people had

526
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: become kind of like, it's kind of like the same thing.

527
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: You just get used to this, this lack of service

528
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: or this this well, this is what there is really

529
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: and people have become quite okay with that. Even parents

530
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: had come to the point where they're like, well, they

531
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: resigned themselves too that this could potentially be the only

532
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: place for them. And you're like, really, how does that happen?

533
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: You think, oh, well, this is the only thing that

534
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: they can do, and you need something to help you,

535
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: So you're going to take this, and you kind of

536
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: settle for that. I was so surprised to see that

537
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: people would even be okay with that, if they would

538
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 1: settle for something like that. But desperation, right, you need

539
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: to work, you're a breadwinner, or you know, the child

540
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: is a lot to handle all the time. You need

541
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: a break. I can see why people are forced into

542
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: those situations.

543
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: But you weren't having it.

544
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, the Good Lord made me very stubborn, and

545
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: so that's part of that's part of the thing is stubbornness.

546
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: So I want to read these numbers. There's two hundred

547
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand in North Texas with an intellectual and

548
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: or development. This development, it's really IDD two hundred and

549
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: fifty thousand in North Texas.

550
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: And that's an old census report there, or that is

551
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: not the most current census report where that data comes from.

552
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: Only eight percent of adults with IDD are employed in

553
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: the community. Nationally, it's not good either. Only fifteen to

554
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: twenty percent correct. Fifty two percent of adults with the

555
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: cognitive disability leave high school without a diploma. Sixty two

556
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: percent of parents of adults disabilities do not have a

557
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: plan for the future, and that does not. Don't take

558
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: that as the parents aren't thinking about it. It's just

559
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: there's no option.

560
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: It's options.

561
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: And so you said, na, we're going to do something different,

562
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: and that became my possibilities and this thing I love.

563
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: What began as a vision of three months looking for

564
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: a better future for their children has turned into first

565
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: of its kind continuing education and job placement program for

566
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: adults with intellectual and development disability in North Texas aim

567
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: to give adults with IBD the chance at a higher

568
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: education and an opportunity to let their untapped possibilities shine.

569
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: That's what began. That was your vision. Yes, so tell

570
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: me about the beginning and that and how easy that was.

571
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: You know, nothing came easy. It was hard. We had

572
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: no money, we didn't know what to do. And there

573
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: was so much criticism as well, you know.

574
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: From the cared that okay, here's a squirrel, I'm chasing

575
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: up a tree. I read that when you when you

576
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: when you were looking for a building, that when people

577
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: found out you were going to be trying to teach

578
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: people beyond high school and get them job readiness for

579
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: special needs folks, that people didn't want to rent that

580
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: to you because that was what. I guess I was

581
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: going to screw up the neighborhood.

582
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what they were thinking.

583
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: But yes, we could not find anybody that release us

584
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: a facility that we could start.

585
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: We went criticized for even the criticize. Explain that, who

586
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: who was criticizing you? And why?

587
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: Well, a when we first started the school district, who

588
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: were like, what do you guys know about this? To

589
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: start something like that? So we had that whole life

590
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: exactly where their caring system knows better than the correct

591
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: so what do you know? What do you know about that?

592
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: And then some of the other parents because what we

593
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: were trying to do wasn't what they wanted for their children,

594
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: so then it was a selective few or something like that.

595
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: So it's so interesting because it's such a need and

596
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: the portfolio of people that we serve are so large.

597
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: There's space for everybody, but it's that deficit model that says,

598
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: there's nothing out there, so I'm just going to take

599
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: everything that you know I wanted my way, And you're like, well,

600
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: it's for the great of good. It's not just for one,

601
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: it has to be for everyone, right, And so that

602
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: was the interesting thing to be able to do that.

603
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: We went to churches to ask them your big you

604
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: know Texas has got megachurches on corners, and said, listen,

605
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: you've got these big buildings. During the week, those buildings

606
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: stand opened. You think you could give us some space. Nope,

607
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: not a mission, not a ministry, nothing like that.

608
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: And we were like, why it is this?

609
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: So we really struggled to find a vacation.

610
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: Why was it? What were the excuses given?

611
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm curious one was that. The one in particular was

612
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: it was not their mission. And you're like, really, it's

613
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: human beings. The church is not that mission. And you've

614
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: got all these vacant buildings that you could use during

615
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: the day, Why on earth would you not? I mean,

616
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: we were willing to pay for it. It wasn't we

617
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 1: going to you know, it would help the church, but nope,

618
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. And we went to multiple churches. They

619
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: were not open to it. Again, I think it's our population, right.

620
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: They were concerned about the risks because that's what everybody.

621
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: They don't say it to your face, but indirectly they're

622
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: talking about the risks because I think there's so many

623
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: misconceptions about people with special needs. Often mental health and

624
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: people with special needs are tied together, so when people

625
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: are thinking of somebody with an intellectual disability, they're actually

626
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: thinking about people that have serious mental illness and have

627
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: those kind of things. So I think those were some

628
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: of the things that we had to do because we

629
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: had to fix up those stereotypes to say, Gosh, these

630
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: guys have an intellectual disability, they're not dangerous people. They

631
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: are loving and kind and just want whatever. So we

632
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: had to do a lot of education. So I think

633
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: it's that misperception between mental illness and someone with a disability.

634
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a huge difference, right.

635
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 2: And finally you found a crappy building with wires hanging

636
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: from the roof.

637
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely and a gentleman in Houston had a daughter that

638
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: had special needs, so he understood and allowed us to

639
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: use this building. But it was an old, dilapidated building.

640
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the wires were hanging down from the ceiling,

641
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: and he was like, okay, you can take it, but

642
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: then you'd have to fix it up. Was this Plano

643
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: in Plano our very first location, and so we were

644
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: going to fix it up. I put my therapy office

645
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: in the back of it because we couldn't afford the rent.

646
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: So that we could offset some of the rent, I

647
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: subleas some of the space. And we went to a

648
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: community and said, hey we could In the middle of

649
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: a winter, were sitting there with blankets, no lights on. Hey,

650
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: this could be the future home of my possibilities. But

651
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: can you help us? And that's when that community started

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Speaker 1: to come around us, I can do paint, Shirman. There

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Speaker 1: was a gentleman networked for Sherman Williams. Hey I could

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Speaker 1: do the paint. Hey, I could do the carpets, Hey

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Speaker 1: I could do this, I could do that. And so

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Speaker 1: we began to think, Wow, this could be a potential

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Speaker 1: to do this. And the owner of the building was

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Speaker 1: so sweet to do a graduated least for us so

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Speaker 1: that we could get on our feet and to be

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Speaker 1: able to start and do this kind of thing stuff.

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Speaker 1: So we had to fix up this building where to

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Speaker 1: paint it. My first media ever is me and my

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Speaker 1: son cleaning the most horrendous male toilets in this building.

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Speaker 1: It was just disgusting, and there somebody snapped us and

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Speaker 1: there's a photo of him and I cleaning up the

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Speaker 1: male bathrooms. It was the most disgusting thing we've ever experienced.

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Speaker 1: But again, when you start something, you have to be

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Speaker 1: willings to put all that sweat equity and do everything

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Speaker 1: that you need to do. And we had to raise money.

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Speaker 1: We had to raise two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: to get the doors open.

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Speaker 2: And that concludes part one of my conversation with Charmaine Solomon,

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Speaker 2: and you don't want to miss part two that's now

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Speaker 2: available to listen to. Together, guys, we can change this

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Speaker 2: country and it starts with you. I'll see in part

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Speaker 2: two