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I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.640 Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. So this is 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:34.400 stuff you should know the Computer addiction episode. Yeah. So 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:44.479 computer addiction, as it turns out, is many things. Mhm uh. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:49.080 And I'm gonna include smartphone addiction in this as computer addiction. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.240 Yeah for sure, because this was written before there were 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:56.760 computers in people's pockets. But it is porn addiction. It 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:02.560 is online porn. Yeah, um, yeah, exactly. Um. Is there 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:07.400 any other way there's gent Well, that's like when when 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.919 poor Fred Willard went to uh like a a porno 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:17.600 theater and was caught or something, and like everybody felt 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.160 so bad because everyone loves for Fred Willard and it 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.840 wasn't like some big scandal. Everyone's just like, oh, poor Fred. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.440 Somebody needs to like explain to him how this has 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.360 done these days, Like you don't need to leave your house. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.440 How are there even porno theaters? Least? I don't know. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:36.320 Is it like kitchy retro vintage kind of thing. Maybe 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.400 I would go to one of those okay, just as 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.680 you know, just to go look around and be like, hey, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:45.400 nice to meet you. I was just wanting to shake 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.280 your hand. Won't be shaking hands, but I think it 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.280 would be interesting. Like, you know, this is what it 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.920 was like in the nineteen seventies, you know on Times Square. 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:57.919 All right, I'm gonna find me a porno theater. I'm 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.320 totally going. You know, Georgia Theater used to be one. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.720 That's how it started out in Athens. I don't think 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.520 I knew that. And then God burned it down a 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.440 few years back because of that, and Dave Matthews built 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.359 it back up. I remember when he used to play there, 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.200 like it seems like every three months. When like I 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.440 was in school there before he was a big deal. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.400 I was like, who are these guys? Why is her 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.360 name always up on that marquee? They said, you'll understand Sunday. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.720 I still don't. When is that day coming? Uh? Well, 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.919 now it's not going to if it hasn't yet. So 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.640 it is porn addiction. It is uh maybe gambling addiction, 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.960 video game addiction, gaming addiction for sure, social media addiction, 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.880 YouTube addiction. Yeah, and all a lot of things wrapped 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.440 up under this big banner of computer addiction, right, and 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:52.520 everything you just UM mentioned is what's called collectively computer 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:59.640 mediated communication, right. Or there's another subgroup called Internet Addiction disorder. 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.120 And we should point out right here that none of this, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.880 there's some controversy with some of this, and none of 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.840 it is officially listed yet. Still, as far as I 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:15.120 can tell, no, there was a push to get UM 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.880 computer addiction of some form or another, at least Internet 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:23.400 Addiction Disorder UM put into the d s M five, 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.320 which they put together a couple of years back, the 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:32.920 American Psychological Association UM. But they said, no, we should 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.880 do a show just on that because yeah, well no 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.320 the DSM period because I was looking at the year 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.280 because I was curious when the next one was due, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.200 and then I looked at him throughout time, and I 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.640 don't think there is unless I'm wrong. It didn't look 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.160 like there was any like set like every ten years 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.200 we're gonna put one out. No, I don't know what 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.160 schedule it's it's on. Maybe when enough of the stuff 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.600 turns out to be bunk. Yeah, They're like, I was 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.320 probably write this thing. Yeah maybe so like, yeah, homosexuality 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.720 isn't comparable to insanity any longer. We should probably rewrite 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.480 the handbook, you know. And I wonder if they make 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.800 addendums or if it's just like, Nope, it's locked the 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.760 next until the next one comes out you're insane because 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.320 you're gay, But then the next day it comes out 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.880 it's like, oh, you're cud anyway. So they tried to 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.159 get something like that in the DSM five and and 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.760 it did not correct. Apparently. What I saw is that 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.720 there's a basically a note in there that says, like, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.520 we understand that this is a thing that people are researching, 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.200 so we're going to keep an eye on it, and 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.440 it just needs more what we need to do more 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.360 research on it. It's just too misunderstood or not well 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.280 understood enough to morerant being included as which is how 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.839 it should work. Like, because all the different studies I 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.400 looked at was they're all pretty lame, to be honest. 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.600 There's a ton of them though, right, Yeah, but everyone 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.320 I saw was and we'll go over and was like 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.680 we asked twenty people question I saw. I saw others 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.800 that were legitimate. Um, And there are also apparently a 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.120 lot of neurological studies as well, because there's a big 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:13.880 controversy not just in whether, um, you could actually be 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:18.120 addicted to computers or if it's just an impulsive of 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.720 failure to control your impulses. Um. So people say, well, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.640 they're just lazy, they just want to sit around in 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.599 front of a computer all day. That doesn't make them addicted. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.000 Is that what all addiction is? Though? Is it failure 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:32.760 to control your impulse? No, I should go back and 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.320 re listen. You could. And I think some people make 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:40.400 the case that behavioral addictions, which are non substance addictions, 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.960 are failures to control your impulse. Right. Other groups say, no, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:49.400 it's way off. These behaviors are still releasing dopamine in 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.719 your brain. Um, in which case that it's following the 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.600 same mechanism of addiction that heroin or cocaine creates. It's 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.279 just a behavior. So there's still kind of like got 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.120 a little bit of budding heads over that even which, 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.279 of course, then that means that something as a morphous 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.560 is Internet addiction disorder couldn't possibly be agreed upon at 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.800 this point. Uh. And you can tell this article is 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.360 dated too because it talks about instant messaging. So every 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.240 time it said that, I just crossed it out and 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.320 put texting nice. It's kind of the new I am. So. 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.160 One other thing that got me too is I went 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.600 and looked at the citation. It was written in two 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.920 thousand seven. And what's scary though, is a lot of 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.480 the stuff he's describing is taken as like totally normal 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.520 and among the general population in the West. Now, yeah, 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:42.240 you know it is. It is pretty interesting. Um, all right, Well, 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.440 obviously if we're talking about the smartphones and computers, laptops, desktops, 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:52.000 whatever your device. Um, we are talking about basically if 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.320 you look down the list of of what happens if 0:07:55.400 --> 0:08:00.360 you are quote computer addicted in quote, it's basically the 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.080 same as any alcohol or drug addiction. Um, do you 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.840 stay on the computer front? It's longer than intended or 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:10.000 not noticed? Notice the passage of time. You could say 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:14.000 that with drugs. Uh. Do you make conscious efforts to 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.120 cut back on computer time and repeatedly fail? That's a 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.640 big one, big one. Uh. Do you think about your 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.360 computer a lot when you're not using it or constantly 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.240 look forward to the next opportunity use it? Drugs and alcohol? 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:29.920 That is why I don't play video games in Yeah, 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:36.640 in like seven whenever the Clone Wars with that episode 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.160 one who knows Okay, well whatever episode, the one with 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:45.320 jar Jar binks, probably the greatest Star Wars character ever created. Um, 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.960 the that video game that came out in association with it, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.800 I found myself like thinking about how to play it 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.080 better when I wasn't playing it, and I was like 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:01.240 was this on the PlayStation? And uh, I was like 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:02.880 this is this is no way to live. I'm not 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.840 doing this anymore. So I stopped playing games altogether. Well, 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.480 they definitely like I think anyone who ever played a 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.600 lot of Tetris had Tetras streams or would look at 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:16.080 the world in some ways as a Tetris grid. Um, 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.320 some games really have a knack for getting into your 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.280 crawl that way. Like you know, I've been playing a 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.839 lot of I can't even think of the name of 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:31.319 it now. Um, they're very immersive, you know, dude, Especially now. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.440 I mean like that that Star Wars game was was cruddy. Yeah, 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.439 Like I that wasn't the first and only game I'd 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.160 ever played. I'd played plenty of other games, and I 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.520 could tell you that was not a good game, But 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.520 I still that I think that made it even more 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.320 Its strengthened my resolve even more that Like, if I 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.280 was sitting there thinking about how to play this cruddy 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.320 game better, Um, I should probably just stop playing games altogether. Yeah, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.120 so you haven't played any games since? Yeah, I don't 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.040 play a lot. I think I've mentioned this before. I'll 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.440 usually get every couple of years, I'll get one game 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.680 that's the best reviewed game, and I will play that 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.160 obsessively for a little while then quit. So I'm sure 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.240 you have like track the progress of games these days, 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.440 and now that we're starting to move into virtual reality, 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:16.520 it's like you're we're gonna be totally lost as a species. Alright. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:20.280 So continuing on how it mirrors drug addiction, UM, hiding 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.280 the extent of your computer used from family and friends. Yeah, 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.760 that's totally use a computer as an escape when feeling 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.840 depressed or stressed. That one, to me is kind of like, Okay, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.200 I don't I don't see that as a sign of addiction. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.520 But this is a grabstor article, so I'll take it 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.360 as gospel fact. I was a scrabstor too, all right. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:43.240 Um missing events or um failing at non computer tasks 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.480 because you're on the computer, poor job performance, family activities. 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.959 You miss that family reunion because you're playing jar jar 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:56.520 banks charge r binks is candy crush, bonanza rodeo uh. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.559 And then it could lead to things like marital problems, 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.800 um negative consequences, getting in trouble at work. The same 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.679 can be said of alcohol and drugs for almost all 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:10.240 these Bryant uh. And then sadly, there have been cases 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:16.160 where computer addicted or gaming addicted people have either died 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.719 or had their children neglected such that they either had 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.439 health problems or died. And if you look it up, 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:28.240 just look up gaming death or game binge death and 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.400 they are all kinds of stories. It seems like it 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.120 seems like Taiwan is one of the worst. Taiwan had 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:38.120 two two people die within two weeks of each other 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.719 from gaming binges in two thousand. Yeah. Well they had 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.600 three total, and I think all three were in internet 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:50.319 cafes even so, not even at home where they can't be, 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:54.120 you know, disturbed, this out in public. Yeah, and apparently 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.520 one guy was laying there for ten hours before they 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:02.080 realized and another I couldn't believe this. One other um 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.960 note that I saw in this article was that when 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.240 the police and the paramedics came in to retrieve this 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.280 dead body from the internet cafe. The other people playing 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.319 didn't even stop. I think they just were basically didn't 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.360 even pay attention to the fact that a dead body 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.840 was being removed from the internet cafe. So there's a 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:25.080 book called Death by Video Game and um, it's actually 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.280 not new. This is this happened in the nineteen eighties. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.840 Even ever since, there have been games. People have played 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.600 them until they died. And Uh, I was just curious 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.640 about Taiwan. And the author basically says Taiwan in particular, 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.760 um at these internet cafes, which is a cheap way 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:45.120 to get online and stay online. Yeah, so they've got 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.920 these cafes. There's a lot of smoking going on in there, 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.920 a lot of caffeine drinking. Um, the humidity in the 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.160 country is really tough. And basically says all of this 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.240 adds up to UM and you know, of course you're 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.600 not eating well, you're not exercising at all, uh, and 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.480 all of this adds up to really increased likelihoods of 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.760 things like blood clots and UM. Because you think, like, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.559 how do you literally die from like a nineteen hour 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.120 bench of a video game? It's it's all the other 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.959 things that go into how you've treated your body really 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.199 neglect essentially. Yeah, I mean, a blood clot makes sense 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.080 to me. I saw exhaustion. I'm like, is this the 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.920 eighteen nineties. You don't die of exhaustion from sitting around. 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.080 Maybe you die of the vapors, you know, blood clot? 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.120 I get that makes sense, And it does too because 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.800 your legs are sitting there immobilized. Um, so of course 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.920 you could get a blood clot. Pulmonary thrombosis, right yeah, 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.800 or pulmonary Yeah, pulmonary thrombosis not good, not good at 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.679 all because it travels to your heart or your brain, 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.960 and all of a sudden, your World Warcraft character is 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.760 just standing there not doing anything because you're debt. Uh. 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.120 I see what you're saying though about this article being 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.760 written a while ago and then hearing it to today, 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:04.280 because it says even when people do interact with friends, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.240 they may become irritable because they're away from their computer. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.800 And now people aren't away from their computer ever because 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.760 of the smartphone. And it's just morphed into this thing 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:18.160 where it's just accepted that it's okay to be having 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.520 a conversation with someone while they're looking at something else right, right, 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.560 And I mean the idea that you're sitting there physically 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:32.760 with somebody and they're hanging out online with other people. Um, 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.960 and that's who they're actually hanging out with, even though 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.840 they're physically with you in the room. Yeah, it's weird, 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.960 but that's become basically, I mean, that's accepted behavior now. Yeah, 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.280 I know, it's not hard to step back one degree 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.760 and say this is odd. Yeah, And I wonder what 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.880 the long term, Like we're right in the infancy of 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:51.680 this thing, Like what are things going to be like 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.480 in fifty years. I was in a bar the other 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.120 night getting some take out dinner for the family, take 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.760 out beer, I don't know, take out food, bar, restaurant, 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.920 and um, and I got this place all the time 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.120 and go sit out the bar, order drink, order the food, 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:08.960 have my one drink, and get the food to go. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.840 So I'm there for like twenty five minutes, thirty minutes maybe. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.960 And I I used to love going to sitting down 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.160 in a bar and talking to strangers next to me, 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.960 striking like the good bar conversation is, like it's the best. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.800 And I sat down I was between these two dudes. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:27.720 I looked at my left, I was staring on his phone. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.800 Looked at my right, I was staring at his phone. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.400 People beside them were staring at their phones. Nobody was 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.360 talking to each other. So I ended up having a 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.240 good conversation with the bartender, which was fine. How Yukowski, 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.880 yesk of you. Yeah, that's true, But um, I don't know, man, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.520 it just depressed me. Yeah, no, I know what you mean. 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.880 When you step back and look around and stuff like that, 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.480 you can make the case that they're still connecting with 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.760 whoever they're talking to, who they'd rather be talking to. 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:55.680 I guess right, And that's actually I mean, that was 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.760 one of the things that that Ed touches on in 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.600 the negative effects of this is that you you start 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:06.120 to prefer your online friends. Well, I mean, there are 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:10.200 it's entirely possible that your online friends are better friends 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.960 from the people you're surrounded with in real life, you know. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.720 So I don't know that that's necessarily a drawback, but 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.440 there is definitely a case to be made in plenty 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:23.040 of studies that suggest that we are growing ironically more 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.800 socially isolated the more connected we become. Yeah, but also 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.640 get the feeling that in that bar, if I would 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:36.000 have said, hey, man, like, let's get a conversation going, 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.680 of course I wouldn't do it that offer, because it 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.320 would have been that's a great conversation, sir, would you 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.880 like to speak with me? Hey man, let's get a conversation. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:49.040 But if I got a conversation going and these people 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.840 put their phones away for a minute, they might be like, oh, 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.479 well this, you know, I'd rather be talking to this guy. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.520 Because a lot of times, I mean, we're assuming people 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.520 are interacting with friends on social media. It might be 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:06.000 watching cat videos or reading uh news sites angry about 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.520 the election, just feeding into their anger over and over 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.959 and over. Um, they might be like, dude, thank you 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.679 for talking to me. And because that was so much 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.520 more pleasurable than like, it's sort of the de facto 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.280 go to of well, I have thirty seconds to stand 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.080 here and wait for the elevator, right, so let me 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.920 check my social meds. The thing is, I don't necessarily 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.400 agree with you. I think that the more we are 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.919 drawn into our devices to communicate with others, the harder 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:38.560 it becomes to talk to somebody who says, hey, let's 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.119 get a conversation. Go no, no no, I agree. In real life, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.160 I agree with that, you know, I think they would 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.800 if people did it, though they might be surprised and delighted, like, wait, 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.679 I can still do this, you know, not me. I 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.400 find I'm failing at it more and more these days. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.520 So it just makes me feel So we're getting way 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.200 into the opinion category and where irking a few people. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:25.760 Let's take a break, all right, we are back with 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:31.160 facts and figures, okay. So um. One of the other 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.240 things that struck me to chuck was was that losing 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:38.040 losing touch with the people in your physical life in 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.399 favor of people online that you're friends with. You're also, 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.440 in a lot of cases doing way more spectacular things 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.400 with the people online than your in your real life, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.520 like going into simulated combat. You know. That's that you 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.240 do interesting stuff with the people you're ine online with 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.520 rather than you know, um well, especially if you lead 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.240 kind of a boring life, you know, and that's all subjective, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.240 of course, but um, I don't know if your life 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:10.040 is really boring. Everybody can um. I saw this ESPN 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:15.280 Outside the Lines episode on this wrestler at University of Michigan, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.119 Go Wolverines. Name is Marshall Carpenter and I think he 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.640 was a twin if I'm not mistaken. But he would 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.320 spend eight to fourteen hours a day gaming on his 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:29.440 computer and was done. Like he washed out of wrestling, 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.560 quit Michigan and went to rehab and like had a 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.080 guy come into his house every day to rehab him 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.360 out of it. Uh. And there was a football player too, 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:42.119 named Quinn pitcock Um that quit the NFL. He played 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.000 one season for the Colts because he was playing Call 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.720 of Duty and only wanted to play Call of Duty. 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.639 It's sad, but it's it is like, how can that? 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.040 How can you not call that an addiction? You know right? No, 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.840 it's true. And examples like that are the ones that 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.439 the people point to say, yes, there is such a 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.400 thing as computer addiction, and it does have pronounced effects 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.120 not just on you know, your NFL career, but if 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.800 you're just an everyday schmo, it can have pronounced effects 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:17.040 on your relationships to like for example, um, yes, you 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.119 might prefer your online friends who you're playing Call of 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:24.239 Duty with to your wife, but you are married to 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.280 your wife and if you neglect or ignore her long 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.679 enough in favor of your friends for call of duty, Um, 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:35.560 she may divorce you. And there's actually there's never been 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.919 from what I've seen, a study that definitively showed it, 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:47.000 Um that yes, uh, online time equals higher divorce rates. 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.320 But I found one that came pretty close, as a 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:53.439 two thousand fourteen study that appeared in Computers in Human 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:57.120 Behavior a journal, and it found a two point one 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.560 eight percent to a four point three two percent. Those 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:04.080 those like decimal points that you know it's legitimate, um, 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:09.720 And that that level rise in divorce rates correlated with 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:14.800 a annual increase in Facebook use in a given area 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.919 in the US. Right, So every that Facebook increased up 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.360 to four percent and change, Um, there was a four 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.679 percent and change increase in the divorce rate for that 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.919 area too. It's entirely possible the two had nothing to 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:32.320 do with one another. It's also entirely possible that yeah, 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.439 it totally did. Yeah. But then there are people that 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.720 say that. Um. The people that say that, well, it's 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:41.760 no different than sitting down and watching TV every night 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:43.920 for four or five hours. Well, you can be addicted 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:48.639 to television too, I think, um, but I think the 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:55.360 internet is a bit more immersive than TV, especially especially 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.520 because you don't interact with the TV the way you 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.440 do online usually, right unless your Elvis and Bob Goolays 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.879 on TV and you with your hand going, was it 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:10.400 Bob Goulay? It used to drive him when oh Man 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:15.200 Will Ferrell, the Bob thing was so great, remember that. Yeah, 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.080 I didn't know who was on TV when Elvis shot it. 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.320 And sometimes he would just be like with the TV 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.200 wasn't enough. He'd shoot his toaster or the dishwasher. Yeah, 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:27.240 I'm Robert grew because he would see Gooley everywhere. Wow. Yeah, 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:30.280 els is on a lot of drugs. Yeah, but they 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:34.000 were legal. God bless my grandmother, God rest her soul. 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.119 She you know. They were from Memphis, and it was 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.840 always like, oh, Elvis, you know, he was still Memphis's son. 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.159 Like all his doctors, they had him going every which way. 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.199 His doctors killed him. He was a big, big fat junkie. 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:50.280 He loved his drugs. I don't want to like be 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:51.760 the one to break it to you, so I never did. 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:53.919 I just let her think that. What's funny is that 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:58.479 horribly ironic um but also hysterically ironic thing that he 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.280 hated drug dealers. Like he would get wasted on prescription 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.240 drugs and get so worked up thinking about drug dealers 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.760 living in his town and you want to go shoot him, 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:09.760 and his boys would have to like restrain him and 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:14.560 calm him down. So he didn't drug dealers sit down 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.640 to put this under your tongue on biggie sit back then, 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:20.359 Well didn't he wasn't he like an honorary d A 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:23.320 guy from Nixon. He tried to make it. I think 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:25.920 they know there's that famous picture of him shaking hands 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:30.560 with Nixon. He got that that meeting arranged. Nixon didn't 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:32.679 wanted to happen because he's like, this is a preposterous 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:34.879 I'm not gonna make this guy d E agent. But 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:40.119