Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison Lauren Zema coming to you from the home
Speaker 1: office in Austin, Texas on this Christmas Week.
Speaker 2: Christmas Week, Christmas time is here? Are there not songs
Speaker 2: from holiday movies that just stick in your head?
Speaker 3: Are lines that do?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: There's probably I would say there is no genre of
Speaker 2: movie rewatched more than holiday movies. I was reading the
Speaker 2: other day about how valuable the like ip is on
Speaker 2: holiday movies because people just watch them over and over
Speaker 2: and over again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to think of a holiday or
Speaker 1: something else as like a genre.
Speaker 3: You quote ELF all the time, year round. You quote ELF.
Speaker 1: It's one of the greatest movies period. It's it's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite movies of all time, not like holiday movie,
Speaker 1: just one of my favorite movies of all time. I
Speaker 1: think it's genius.
Speaker 3: I think, what is your favorite line from ELF?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the one that gets me every time.
Speaker 1: Is the coffee shop he walks in and yeah, you're
Speaker 1: walking he's walking through New York for the first time, obviously,
Speaker 1: and he sees if you've ever been to New York,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, world's best pizza, world's best cup
Speaker 1: of coffee. And he sees that and he jumps in
Speaker 1: and he says, congratulations, everybody, you did it. It's just
Speaker 1: in the looks. It's not as much Will Ferrell's delivery,
Speaker 1: which is genius, but the looks of the employees and
Speaker 1: everybody in there is just like so New York.
Speaker 2: And that so.
Speaker 3: Applies year round.
Speaker 2: If someone does something, Chris goes, congratulations, you did people.
Speaker 1: Are like, you're an idiot. But I also like the
Speaker 1: use of New York, like it was a really good,
Speaker 1: real character and there was a very good New York.
Speaker 2: Movie best uses of New York, well not best, but
Speaker 2: up there Sex and the City and Elf the movie.
Speaker 1: It really is they did it. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: solid legit New York.
Speaker 2: I would like to speak to someone about this, the
Speaker 2: chemical thing in our brain that instantly makes you remember
Speaker 2: like a quote or a song lyric. It will pop
Speaker 2: in your brain like I did it. I just got
Speaker 2: my haircut. I just came back from a haircut and
Speaker 2: the wonderful woman. And by the way, if you're in Austin,
Speaker 2: I love Deep Roots Salon. Specifically, the Cedar Park location
Speaker 2: is incredible. Shout out to Tara and Mallory. But she
Speaker 2: was coloring my hair and she just said, you know,
Speaker 2: yeah on my own, and in my brain I instantly
Speaker 2: go lay miz and I go on my own and
Speaker 2: I did it, and I'm like, oh, I said to her.
Speaker 2: She and I this is the first time she colored
Speaker 2: my hair and said, well we know each other. Well,
Speaker 2: now you know that I can't not go to musicals.
Speaker 3: What is that in your brain?
Speaker 1: Mike Trico, the Great, I don't know. There's there are
Speaker 1: certain songs and I was thinking about Mike Terrico, the sportscaster.
Speaker 1: He said this week he's like I watch Home Alone
Speaker 1: every year, and someone was giving him a hard time, like,
Speaker 1: come on, you really don't. And I'm like, we watch
Speaker 1: Home Alone.
Speaker 2: Every d You and I, with no kids in sight,
Speaker 2: decorated the tree together and watched Home Alone.
Speaker 1: We watched elfin Home Alone as we decorated the tree
Speaker 1: and we cooked dinner.
Speaker 2: I love background movies. You've seen them so many times
Speaker 2: that you don't have to be actively watching. You were cooking,
Speaker 2: I was putting up the tree, and we were half watching,
Speaker 2: half listening.
Speaker 1: My question for you, what's the Home Alone song that
Speaker 1: pops in your head when you think Home Alone, what
Speaker 1: is the song, what's the scene? What's the song? Because
Speaker 1: that's your favorite movie.
Speaker 2: It's the When you hear the chorus of the kids,
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of like when he's building up to
Speaker 2: fight back against the you know, the Wet bandits, and
Speaker 2: you hear the little kids.
Speaker 3: Schoir, they go, they go, fall on your knees. I
Speaker 3: can't hit that. That falsett I.
Speaker 1: Is fall on your knees, the same as Dobby is free. Wow.
Speaker 3: If we're talking about movies, everybody.
Speaker 2: I don't know if marriage has changed Chris Harrison, but
Speaker 2: I was taking a bath the other day, which I
Speaker 2: could get into that whole thing.
Speaker 3: Are you a bath person or not?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I am not, and yet I try to make myself
Speaker 2: do it sometimes because I think you but all I
Speaker 2: do is get stressed out.
Speaker 3: You appreciate that I'm.
Speaker 1: Not a bath Frost, No, I appreciate that You're like,
Speaker 1: you have this beautiful bathtub in this beautiful house, and
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm going to be this person and you're not, Like,
Speaker 1: but you've tried.
Speaker 2: It's wasted on me. I feel bad, Like my sister
Speaker 2: loves baths. Some you you either are a bath person
Speaker 2: or or not.
Speaker 1: But I like that you go in with the intention
Speaker 1: of I'm going to have a real moment to myself
Speaker 1: and this spa like moment. And guys, five minutes later,
Speaker 1: I'm getting text messages. I hear her in there and
Speaker 1: it's not going well. She's she's a caged animal in
Speaker 1: a bathtub.
Speaker 3: It's so boring.
Speaker 2: I'm sweaty. I'm like, am I cleaning? I'm just sweating
Speaker 2: in here. I don't think here's a real question.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: Little kids aside, Like kids are different. If you're an
Speaker 2: adult and you take a bath, are you clean afterwards?
Speaker 1: No, you're just stewing in your own juice.
Speaker 3: That's what I think. I'm like, I got to take
Speaker 3: a shower.
Speaker 1: There's no good. Yeah, you have to show I always
Speaker 1: if I can't remember the last time I took a bath,
Speaker 1: maybe when I was What.
Speaker 3: Can you use our bathtub? Because then someone will be No,
Speaker 3: I do not like baths.
Speaker 1: Why not If I'm sore or sick and it's like
Speaker 1: we have a hot tub, I'd rather go get the
Speaker 1: hot tub.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Well, yeah, you know what I agree with you?
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, okay, Well I'm in the bath and I
Speaker 2: come out and I realize, well, I've been wasting my
Speaker 2: time in the bath. You have been on your own
Speaker 2: watching a Harry Potter.
Speaker 3: Movie, which is why he just brought up Dobby Dolby
Speaker 3: is Free.
Speaker 1: I take Apparently it's the worst one. Your least favorite
Speaker 1: Chamber of Secrets.
Speaker 2: Chamber of Secrets is it's not my least favorite book,
Speaker 2: but I do think it's maybe the worst movie.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, acting wise, the kids didn't know how to
Speaker 3: act yet.
Speaker 2: In the first movie, you forgive them. You're like, these
Speaker 2: are young kids, they're acting for the first time. I
Speaker 2: don't expect it to be that great. The third movie,
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, the acting is still.
Speaker 3: Not that great. The story, some of the lines, some
Speaker 3: of the shots, it's just not great. What did you
Speaker 3: here's my question, what made you just actively on your
Speaker 3: own when watching Harry Potter movie?
Speaker 1: Marriage has changed me. The only reason I ever stop
Speaker 1: at Harry Potter movies is because of you.
Speaker 3: But what is the reason?
Speaker 1: I just want to? And it's funny because I don't
Speaker 1: sit and watch all of them, and I have still
Speaker 1: not watched all of them, and then and it's kind
Speaker 1: of fun. And I wonder if you're envious of me
Speaker 1: because I was watching Chamber of Secrets for the first
Speaker 1: time last night, what.
Speaker 2: I would give to experience the reveals of the Harry
Speaker 2: Potter series again.
Speaker 1: I did not know who opened the Chamber of Secrets,
Speaker 1: and I knew it wasn't Hagrid. He's too lovable, and
Speaker 1: because I've seen him in other parts of the movies
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nope, he's a lovable figure. The only
Speaker 1: way he would have done it is stupidly on accident,
Speaker 1: because he is a bumbling fool at times times and
Speaker 1: well all the time. That's his character. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, maybe he did it on accident, but
Speaker 1: I knew he was being set up. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: because of you that I've just I will watch these
Speaker 1: and I will eventually watch them.
Speaker 3: All that makes me feel so loved.
Speaker 2: When that makes me feel so loved, and it makes
Speaker 2: me wonder if I should be watching more.
Speaker 1: Sports for you, okay, hot take. I have also not
Speaker 1: watched the other ones, the New Zealand ones, because we
Speaker 1: went to New Lord of the Rings. I have not
Speaker 1: watched Lord of the Rings either. I've seen parts of
Speaker 1: it were you.
Speaker 3: The Lord of the Rings movies were so big.
Speaker 1: I.
Speaker 3: Know what we're doing.
Speaker 1: They just don't appeal to me. I guess that that
Speaker 1: type of sci fi does not appeal to me. I
Speaker 1: was definitely in the Star Wars generation that came out
Speaker 1: when I was seven or eight years old. That captured
Speaker 1: my imagination. Never a Star Trek.
Speaker 3: You think you didn't go?
Speaker 2: Is that it? Or I have heard from people because
Speaker 2: when the Lord of the Rings movies came out, you
Speaker 2: had young kids, and I do feel like when you're
Speaker 2: a parent and you have young kids, you're so busy
Speaker 2: with that that you kind of miss out on like.
Speaker 1: Cultural is that when those came out early two thousandar
Speaker 1: two thousand, then I if it wasn't animated, I can
Speaker 1: tell you about every animated movie from two thousand and
Speaker 1: one through twenty ten, like all the Cars, and by
Speaker 1: the way, it was an unbelievable Hall of Fame home
Speaker 1: run set of animation at that time, like all the
Speaker 1: great movies came out at.
Speaker 3: That time time, Like I'm trying to think of one,
Speaker 3: but I was all the.
Speaker 1: Cars, all the Nemos, all the toy stories.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean well, toy stories started mid nineties
Speaker 2: and then first toy stories like ninety four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, maybe Josh just got caught the tail into those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we had a great run. Enchanted another one that
Speaker 1: was good, we got weir got animated, half anime.
Speaker 3: Half of it was it finding mema. I'll give you.
Speaker 1: Cars, okay, but anyway, so we digress.
Speaker 3: So thank you for watching the Harry Potter movies. It
Speaker 3: makes me feel loved.
Speaker 2: And also thank you for saying I don't have to
Speaker 2: start watching sports. Can I make an argument for something.
Speaker 2: I think movies are a more neutral thing than sports,
Speaker 2: Like it's a more all encompassing, like there can be
Speaker 2: sports moviessier to say on common ground, right, But so
Speaker 2: I think a person should be more inclined, Like if
Speaker 2: someone's like who you're dating says I love this movie,
Speaker 2: I think you should be more inclined to give that
Speaker 2: movie a shot than like a whole type of activity.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I agree. I see where you're coming. And
Speaker 1: I'm just making the case for myself not watching sports movie. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a good chance I'm gonna like something about your movie.
Speaker 3: I would watch a sports movie with you. I like
Speaker 3: a lot of movies about sports.
Speaker 1: Like if you say to me, you may not love
Speaker 1: this movie, but Chris Pine's in it, or Stanley Tucci's
Speaker 1: in it, I'm like, okay, I'm in.
Speaker 3: You can find an entry. Yeah, exactly, Really sports, I
Speaker 3: got nothing the touch.
Speaker 1: And so Merry Christmas. Weeke to everybody. I hope everybody's
Speaker 1: kind of heading home wherever you are, and the kids
Speaker 1: are coming home. Lauren and I just tried to drive
Speaker 1: from Fort Worth yesterday back home to Austin, and it's literally,
Speaker 1: I think everybody in the world was on the road,
Speaker 1: so truly everyone's heading home for the holidays.
Speaker 3: And so it's by the way, you casually dropped in
Speaker 3: that we went to New Zealand.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't want to go on about
Speaker 2: it too long as we have so much to get to.
Speaker 2: But beautiful country. I ran around quoting the Hobbit as
Speaker 2: I guess you just have to gorgeous beaches, gorgeous mountains,
Speaker 2: the kindest people. And the whole reason we went was
Speaker 2: because these dear friends of ours. Actually the guy who
Speaker 2: officiated our wedding and his wonderful wife who sang at
Speaker 2: our welcome dinner.
Speaker 3: She is from there and they have a home there
Speaker 3: that they just finished.
Speaker 2: But what this kind of got us talking about, like
Speaker 2: we were there for a while, we went there for
Speaker 2: a week, is what is a gauge of a friend
Speaker 2: you can really travel with? Like I think it's so
Speaker 2: important for couples to have couple friends. And we've talked
Speaker 2: about this, but it's a whole different thing when you're
Speaker 2: talking about going to dinner with another couple versus traveling.
Speaker 3: And you have a great phrase for.
Speaker 1: This boat people, yacht people, boat people.
Speaker 3: Can you explain that it is?
Speaker 1: If you are stuck on a boat, you're traveling, You're
Speaker 1: not stuck with them. Who would you choose to go
Speaker 1: on vacation with? And say you're on a yacht. You're
Speaker 1: on a boat that has two rooms, four rooms, whatever,
Speaker 1: so you were in pretty confined quarters. These are people
Speaker 1: You're going to be on top of a lot on
Speaker 1: this boat, going to have to eat, drink and sleep
Speaker 1: with them. You will not sleep sleep with them, but
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You're going to see each
Speaker 1: other close quarters, Yes, close quarters.
Speaker 3: In a hotel, you can escape on a boat, you can, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, Hey, we're gonna we're gonna walk
Speaker 1: into town. We're gonna and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't I can't get away from Bob and Marie
Speaker 1: fast enough. Who are you know? You can't You're stuck.
Speaker 1: You can't walk on water, you can't disappear. You're stuck
Speaker 1: with these people who are your boat people? Because I
Speaker 1: would contest there are people you would travel with that
Speaker 1: still aren't boat people.
Speaker 3: This is the best level, yes, of Like I mean,
Speaker 3: is it the best level of friendship?
Speaker 2: It's definitely just a certain level of friendship where it's
Speaker 2: someone you can easily be around NonStop.
Speaker 1: These are your I guess the kids would call it
Speaker 1: your ride or die.
Speaker 2: What are the parameters for this? What are the boxes
Speaker 2: to check if to know if someone's your boat person?
Speaker 1: After three days you don't want to murder them?
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: It's three day tests.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a three days you call it boat people,
Speaker 3: or you could call it won't murder them people.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's the three day fish test. You know,
Speaker 1: you leave leaf fish out on the dock for three days.
Speaker 1: At third day it's it's spoiled.
Speaker 3: Really, you think they're the first two days.
Speaker 1: So I'm just learning that that test of just not
Speaker 1: wanting to do physical harm of like I can't be
Speaker 1: with these people for one more minute that laugh or
Speaker 1: that obnoxious whatever, or they drink too much or they
Speaker 1: whatever it is, those annoying, annoying characteristics that you just
Speaker 1: can't stand after three days, that's it.
Speaker 2: I think the people generally have to be positive people,
Speaker 2: Like that's a huge part. You can't have someone who's
Speaker 2: a complainer or negative like you know every day, yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Person that finds the you know, gray cloud in the
Speaker 1: silver line.
Speaker 2: Well, or even if it's their sense of humor, like
Speaker 2: some people are really funny, but their sense of humors
Speaker 2: kind of making fun of things that can get old.
Speaker 2: I think you have to be around people who are
Speaker 2: generally positive. I think critically they have to be up
Speaker 2: for things like yeah, let's go to dinner, Yeah let's
Speaker 2: try that hike. It can't be like, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: just the stay at home person or they and they
Speaker 2: have to go with the flow of the group.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you got to match I think the energies
Speaker 1: and ideas and activities like you got to match up
Speaker 1: and whatever that is. If you're all we sit by
Speaker 1: the pool all day, people great but if if one
Speaker 1: group or one couple is we sit by the pool
Speaker 1: and sip on my ties and just get sun, and
Speaker 1: then the other group is we like to go spearfishing
Speaker 1: and yeah, and surfing and hiking and they're very active,
Speaker 1: that will not work.
Speaker 2: You're right, you've defined the I mean it's like a relationship,
Speaker 2: and just like a relationship, I think with friendship, traveling
Speaker 2: together can be a real test of a friendship.
Speaker 1: But the most difficult thing is it's easy to find.
Speaker 1: It's easier to find that in a relationship because you're
Speaker 1: finding it with one person. It is so hard to
Speaker 1: find husband and wife, man and well or whatever, just
Speaker 1: just the both of a couple. You're finding two humans
Speaker 1: that you get along with. How often is it, you know,
Speaker 1: we love her, but oh the or we love him,
Speaker 1: but oh the w and so you got to match up.
Speaker 2: It's more challenging to find boat people than it is
Speaker 2: to find the life partner. Yeah, not only is it
Speaker 2: a big week because of the holiday, but we're coming
Speaker 2: off of some pretty big podcast episodes for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a huge response. Thank you to everyone
Speaker 1: who listened to the Jason Tarctic podcasts. We did two
Speaker 1: episodes because it was just too good. We had to
Speaker 1: break it up and to sit down with Jason. Was
Speaker 1: received very well. Overall, it was received well. You know,
Speaker 1: I did. I talked a little bit about this on
Speaker 1: social media. I got a couple of messages, where's the tea,
Speaker 1: I'm not learning anything new. I dealt with that a
Speaker 1: little bit of that's not what this was about. That's
Speaker 1: not that wasn't my goal, and I will admit there's
Speaker 1: a little hypocrisy for twenty years. That is what I did.
Speaker 1: You know, I would go for some of that meat
Speaker 1: because that was the show and that was the advice.
Speaker 2: You know what, though you told me after the interview,
Speaker 2: I did not listen to it. I was in the
Speaker 2: other room, and I was just kind of because you
Speaker 2: and Jason have a great relationship. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: let you do it because I knew that you were
Speaker 2: going to probably get into some stuff about Caitlin. But
Speaker 2: after you guys recorded, you told me later who said, look,
Speaker 2: before we went into it, I did think maybe we'll
Speaker 2: really dig in and maybe we'll get some answers on things.
Speaker 2: But in the moment, and I think this is commendable
Speaker 2: to you because you got both types of moments. For
Speaker 2: years on the show, you got the emotional moment and
Speaker 2: the revealing moments, sometimes both in one. But you made
Speaker 2: the call in the moment with Jason to just say,
Speaker 2: you know what, he's still so emotional and raw about this,
Speaker 2: that this is not the time as both his friend
Speaker 2: and someone interviewing him to dig deep like he's still
Speaker 2: his emotions are still so at the serve this, that
Speaker 2: this isn't the let's dive in and I want you
Speaker 2: to spill all the team moments well.
Speaker 1: And we set some parameters as we started, because he
Speaker 1: was really concerned and respectful about Caitlin. He did not
Speaker 1: want this to come off as start this whole he said.
Speaker 1: She said thing, And I didn't either, because you know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting when you're doing an interview. And again I
Speaker 1: said this, it was a guy who broke up with someone,
Speaker 1: but it's a guy who broke up with a friend
Speaker 1: of ours, like I like Caitlyn, I respect her. This
Speaker 1: wasn't about let's bury Caitlin and.
Speaker 2: Who's right ahead of the wedding, we were both texting
Speaker 2: both of them like, hey, how are you guys at?
Speaker 3: Where are you guys at? We wanted both of them
Speaker 3: to feel super comfortable at the way, and.
Speaker 1: He did actually give me a lot of leeway to
Speaker 1: go there, and I could have asked some of these
Speaker 1: kind of pointed questions, and you're right in that it
Speaker 1: didn't feel right now. We did dig deep in a
Speaker 1: different direction. We just got so emotional and it got
Speaker 1: so heavy and the show really became about loss and
Speaker 1: about breakups. And I thought it was so much more
Speaker 1: effective and really latable to all of you that this
Speaker 1: wasn't the time for that. And we even said after
Speaker 1: because it was exhausting, and we had a drink and
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, maybe someday we revisit this and
Speaker 1: when things aren't so fresh and you know that the
Speaker 1: wounds have healed a little bit for both of them.
Speaker 2: Well, they were together for I mean, we started dating
Speaker 2: like at a similar time they did, so they'd been
Speaker 2: together four years.
Speaker 3: Five yeah, four or five years. I mean, I remember,
Speaker 3: because I think I think I broke the news.
Speaker 2: I remember I interviewed Jason like right when they'd kind
Speaker 2: of first flirted, and I'm pretty sure I broke the
Speaker 2: news at the time, like, oh no, they're really going
Speaker 2: out together, right, So I remember that moment, and you know, again,
Speaker 2: we love them both and want the best for both
Speaker 2: of them, but it does seem like, like I want
Speaker 2: to get into We actually have a couple of really
Speaker 2: good questions from all of you that we pulled from
Speaker 2: our DMS to ask because there are still follow up questions.
Speaker 2: But my first question is, after that interview, do you
Speaker 2: think there's any reconciliation to happen in the future between
Speaker 2: the two of them?
Speaker 1: I mean you romantically, oh, as I say, because the've
Speaker 1: they've reconciled, which I really appreciated. And I will add
Speaker 1: that Jason even talked to Caitlin post, you know, to
Speaker 1: let her know this is coming out. But we were
Speaker 1: very respectful and Caitlin, to my knowledge, has no problem
Speaker 1: with anything that was said, which is wonderful. And it
Speaker 1: also shows how much they've both grown and they can
Speaker 1: be respectful and start talking. And I think our wedding
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with that. We did joke
Speaker 1: about that in the podcast. You know, there was that
Speaker 1: moment you were sitting there too with me when they
Speaker 1: were by our refrigerator in our kitchen and they were.
Speaker 3: Both kind of you know, on the wedding weekend body.
Speaker 1: Language was palpable at the party we had here the
Speaker 1: night before our wedding, but it didn't go there. He
Speaker 1: did admit that I don't see it going there. I
Speaker 1: don't think they should. I think they have made a
Speaker 1: clean break. And while I think sometimes we and I
Speaker 1: say we as fans of them, want that to happen,
Speaker 1: like it would just make us all feel good, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's what's best for them. I think
Speaker 1: they are growing and going in different directions, and I
Speaker 1: respect that for both of them.
Speaker 2: Well, that's this leads into Christa's question. Christa says Chris
Speaker 2: Jason didn't make it clear why he and Caitlyn decided
Speaker 2: to break up. What happened, or I'll add, what do
Speaker 2: you think happened?
Speaker 1: I know some stuff that happened, you know, from both
Speaker 1: of them, and it's not I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: it was her fault, his fault. It does not matter.
Speaker 1: And I guess that's my main takeaway from the podcast
Speaker 1: was I don't care, and I don't want you to care.
Speaker 1: And I know we all kind of have this insatiable
Speaker 1: appetite for come on, man, give me the dirt, but
Speaker 1: it just I it wasn't about that for me in
Speaker 1: that interview, and I didn't want it to become about that. So,
Speaker 1: you know, none of our business. And I thought about
Speaker 1: myself in my divorce or breakups I've had, and like,
Speaker 1: we don't want to talk about that. I don't care
Speaker 1: whose fault it is. I don't want that to come out.
Speaker 3: I also think that when people have been together that long,
Speaker 3: it's not just one thing, of.
Speaker 1: Course, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, if somebody's in just a relationship a couple
Speaker 2: of months and you could you break up, you could
Speaker 2: write it off as you know, he was just too
Speaker 2: full of himself, right, Or maybe you're dating six months
Speaker 2: and you find out somebody cheated, Well, I thought I
Speaker 2: knew him and he didn't he cheated, And I don't
Speaker 2: even want to waste any more time. But years and
Speaker 2: years in, it's about it's not that simple. It's about
Speaker 2: more than just an easy answer. I think in every situation,
Speaker 2: and there's rumors out there. You can go online and
Speaker 2: go on the deep reddit web.
Speaker 1: And reddit web, you can go go on drws. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's plenty of rumors and in your windows. I'll
Speaker 1: leave that to the tabloids.
Speaker 2: Next up, Ashley says, Jason talked about his age and
Speaker 2: how he wants to find his person and start a family.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's for me, She says.
Speaker 2: I have a question for Lauren. Before meeting Chris after
Speaker 2: your divorce, did you panic about meeting someone?
Speaker 3: Great question, Ashley.
Speaker 2: Jason and I talked about this just like before and
Speaker 2: after you guys went into record as well, because I
Speaker 2: think we're about the same age. I just turned thirty six,
Speaker 2: I think Jays thirty five, and he was telling me that,
Speaker 2: you know, I know he told you that too, and
Speaker 2: I said, like Jason, the answer, the quick answer is no,
Speaker 2: I was not worried about it. Now. Granted, part of
Speaker 2: that was probably that I'd been married and I'd just
Speaker 2: gotten divorced, and I was sort of like, you know,
Speaker 2: I was. I was ready to be out of this
Speaker 2: situation I was in, So I was just feeling some
Speaker 2: relief there.
Speaker 1: Yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you're at in your early mid
Speaker 2: thirties and you have not been married yet, it's impossible
Speaker 2: to not feel that.
Speaker 3: There's that societal pressure.
Speaker 2: You're scared you're losing time, you feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: I should be having kids, and you feel all that.
Speaker 2: But no, I wasn't, and I guess I would say
Speaker 2: to everybody, really try to not be. I think losing
Speaker 2: my dad taught me this. You just don't know what
Speaker 2: life has planned for you. I mean, my dad died
Speaker 2: in his early fifties, like pretty close to your age,
Speaker 2: and there were a bunch of things he still wanted
Speaker 2: to do, you know, but there are also a bunch
Speaker 2: of things he did. And I've really taken that lesson
Speaker 2: with me of like, I think you can find happiness
Speaker 2: and sorrow at any age in life, and this, you know,
Speaker 2: panic is really just a product of what we think
Speaker 2: our cultural norms are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you had some advice for Jason.
Speaker 1: Well well, and Jason did say He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we wasted some good years and we've lost some good years.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, thirty to thirty four, you.
Speaker 3: Know, you know you're looking at it going, dude, you're
Speaker 3: still a baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have the benefit and experience of time,
Speaker 1: so I can look back and realize thirty to thirty four, man,
Speaker 1: I was still figuring things out, and so is he,
Speaker 1: And so I get that obviously you don't know what
Speaker 1: you don't know, and he hasn't lived those those extra years,
Speaker 1: in that extra decade, and so, you know, I look
Speaker 1: at myself and to your point you just made fantastically
Speaker 1: Did I think I would meet the love of my
Speaker 1: life at forty seven. No, I thought it would happen
Speaker 1: a lot earlier. I thought I would have met the
Speaker 1: love of my life and someone who you know. But
Speaker 1: that's when it happened, and that's when I gave myself
Speaker 1: the grace and allowed that to happen. And now I'm
Speaker 1: the happiest I've ever been in my early fifties. And
Speaker 1: so who's to say when it's supposed to happen, And
Speaker 1: who's to say if it had worked out with Caitlin
Speaker 1: and they did get married, that that would have been
Speaker 1: the one. You don't know what life's going to throw
Speaker 1: at you, so give yourself a little bit of a break.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just talking to somebody the other day about,
Speaker 2: you know, because like a lot of young people have
Speaker 2: been through the pandemic right now, Like this was someone
Speaker 2: who's in their twenties and they were like, well, my
Speaker 2: twenties are supposed to be this really fun time, but
Speaker 2: the pandemic screwed it up. And I get that my
Speaker 2: twenties are supposed to be really fun.
Speaker 3: My dad dud and the.
Speaker 2: Recession happened and there were no jobs. But like, my
Speaker 2: thirties have been amazing, you know. And I would also
Speaker 2: hope that life only keeps getting better. I know life
Speaker 2: will also continue to send hardships our way, but I've
Speaker 2: just always approached it with like the outlook of it's
Speaker 2: only going to get better from here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and look, when you take the knife out
Speaker 1: of the wound, it's pretty raw. It's hard to have
Speaker 1: perspective of what I'm grateful for. But you and I
Speaker 1: have this already about our first marriages. There are things
Speaker 1: we're both grateful for, and you can take that later.
Speaker 1: And I think Jason will look back and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that relationship with Kitlyn wasn't wasted time. I'm grateful that
Speaker 1: I learned this. I learned this about myself. Even if
Speaker 1: it's only learning about yourself and you were with someone
Speaker 1: who was bad, then you're still learning and now you're
Speaker 1: growing and you are a better, bigger person. As you
Speaker 1: head into the next relationship, Jason will know what he's
Speaker 1: looking for more so so well, Caitlin. Next time they'll
Speaker 1: be better prepared well.
Speaker 2: That leads into Laurie's question. She says, Chris, what type
Speaker 2: of partner do you think would be the right fit
Speaker 2: for Jason.
Speaker 1: Jason's a big he's a big lover man. He's a
Speaker 1: big Buffalo lover. He's he's from Buffalo. He's from Buffalo.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, he's a down home boy. Family means
Speaker 1: everything to him. Loyalty, that that type of person that's
Speaker 1: just going to really kind of dive in with him.
Speaker 2: Jason is such a good dude. Can I say, like, so,
Speaker 2: when you guys did the podcast, he stayed at our house.
Speaker 1: Yes, not all guests get to sleep over.
Speaker 3: We've never wait, we've never had someone from the show
Speaker 3: no sleep.
Speaker 1: Oh you're right, yeah, no one has. Yeah, he is
Speaker 1: the first to fly to sleep over. Yeah, Firestones here.
Speaker 3: No, oh, you know what they did at our house
Speaker 3: in La Okay, Firestone, I know.
Speaker 1: Well, people have spent the night at my house in
Speaker 1: La before, but no one in Austin. Yeah, no one
Speaker 1: in Austin. I told him he was the first one
Speaker 1: I've interviewed here in Austin. And then obviously he stayed
Speaker 1: and we went to dinner afterwards.
Speaker 3: Well, it was great.
Speaker 2: To get I had never had that, like one on
Speaker 2: one hangout, just not interviewed time with him as much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and little things you can tell. I think they're a
Speaker 2: little basic, tried and true tests of what kind of
Speaker 2: person somebody is. Manners, helpfulness. Jason left his room. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give him a shout out. Jason Tartik left his
Speaker 2: room spotless. He made the bet, he hung up his towel.
Speaker 2: His room was spotless when he left. Not only did
Speaker 2: he do that, he said, Hey, you guys are going
Speaker 2: to the airport too.
Speaker 3: Well, I have a car. Do you want to just
Speaker 3: jump in with me?
Speaker 1: Not only did he do that, getting him to the
Speaker 1: airport three hours early for his flight and on time
Speaker 1: for ours.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a sacrifice.
Speaker 1: And I went to the gym, worked doubt, and then
Speaker 1: we came back and we were leaving town going to
Speaker 1: the airport, and I had to, you know, put out
Speaker 1: the trash, and so I was breaking down boxes. So
Speaker 1: Jason started breaking down boxes. He literally took.
Speaker 3: Out our trash.
Speaker 2: He broke down my many Amazon cardboard boxes that I'd
Speaker 2: had from wedding stuff.
Speaker 3: Jason just helped break down boxes at our house. So
Speaker 3: he is he's just as good as he seems.
Speaker 1: You know, he's good people, and he's going to do
Speaker 1: just fine. He'll find somebody. It's it's weird.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3: This might go into Hannah's question.
Speaker 2: Oh, Hannah asks Chris, do you think Jason would be
Speaker 2: good on another reality dating show one?
Speaker 1: I think he'd be fantastic on a reality dating show.
Speaker 1: I would love to produce a show for Jason Tartick
Speaker 1: to help him find love. I think that would be
Speaker 1: a great show. And I think he'd be wonderful because
Speaker 1: he's so sincere, he's so honest. You're going to get
Speaker 1: such raw emotion from him. What you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of people of what you see is what
Speaker 1: you get. You know, Sean Lowe was that whether you
Speaker 1: like him or not, it's like, what you see is
Speaker 1: what you get. That that was him, and so I
Speaker 1: think he would be wonderful.
Speaker 3: And I think h championing for Jason to be the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was me and Bennett one of the other
Speaker 1: executive producers at the time, benn At Grabner also also
Speaker 1: from Buffalo, So I think there was a Buffalo thing.
Speaker 1: Some the other people just weren't having it, probably because
Speaker 1: we did like him, and I forget who we went
Speaker 1: with instead, care member. Oh gosh, Welton, Well we did
Speaker 1: get the bench. It's all as a Jason. You couldn't
Speaker 1: have made that jump. You're not that athletic. But no,
Speaker 1: and answer to your question, yes, I think he would.
Speaker 1: It would be too soon to do it right this minute,
Speaker 1: but he would be really good.
Speaker 3: All right. Just two more quick questions they kind of
Speaker 3: go together, Brett says Chris. I have a question. Do
Speaker 3: you think crying is a weak thing for men to do?
Speaker 3: This is a quick answer.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. Take it from a guy who bawled
Speaker 1: like a baby at both of my weddings. I cry
Speaker 1: all the time with my daughter, and yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: it is not only not a weak thing, it's necessary
Speaker 1: and it's the most empowering, wonderful thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know that you want to be the one
Speaker 2: who's always crying, right, but I think there's nothing stronger
Speaker 2: than showing your emotions, and crying is so vulnerable, and
Speaker 2: there's strength in that vulnerability.
Speaker 3: Colleen.
Speaker 2: I will finish off with this question from Colleen and
Speaker 2: at piggybacks off, bretts Chris, how did you learn how
Speaker 2: to handle people crying to you. You were so good
Speaker 2: at this on the show and on this podcast episode
Speaker 2: with Jason.
Speaker 1: It was off putting it first. It was something I
Speaker 1: had to learn. It was a skill I had to learn.
Speaker 1: I was a dad and so I had a crying
Speaker 1: baby at the time. Josh was very young, so I
Speaker 1: wasn't used to really people crying to me on an
Speaker 1: emotional level like that. So I really didn't know how
Speaker 1: to handle it. But I just think it fit in
Speaker 1: with my Midwestern disposition and the way I grew up
Speaker 1: to be a caretaker, to be empathetic, to listen it.
Speaker 1: It really taught me to just shut up and listen
Speaker 1: because in that moment, people don't need to be fixed.
Speaker 1: They don't need to be told what was right, what
Speaker 1: was wrong, whose fault it was, or they definitely don't
Speaker 1: need the I told you so, they just need to
Speaker 1: cry and they need to just vent, and so just
Speaker 1: being there and it's a skill I learned for sure
Speaker 1: over the last twenty years and has helped me be
Speaker 1: a better husband, a better parent, a better friend, and
Speaker 1: a better podcaster. Sitting with Jason, it allowed me to
Speaker 1: not be uncomfortable and not be awkward. I was like,
Speaker 1: I love you, man, Like let it out, like, let's
Speaker 1: talk about this and not try and jump in and
Speaker 1: ease the moment. Let him cry, like, let him have
Speaker 1: that moment he needed to get that out. It was
Speaker 1: really cathartic.
Speaker 2: And I hate and I do this myself too. For
Speaker 2: some reason, when we all cry, we go to the
Speaker 2: like I'm sorry, Like I'm sorry, I'm crying. This is embarrassing,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Jokey, yeah, And I think especially guys, you know,
Speaker 2: they're like, I'm sorry this, I hate this. And I
Speaker 2: guess that just comes from somewhere in society that tells us,
Speaker 2: you know, don't cry, and that's weak. But I'm so
Speaker 2: ready for that to be a mindset of the past.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the questions, by the way, everybody, and thanks
Speaker 1: for I mean, these were two of our biggest podcasts
Speaker 1: that we have ever dropped, and a lot of that
Speaker 1: COEs to the demand that Jason is in his popularity.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I reciprocated and did a Trading
Speaker 1: Secrets podcast with Jason that'll be dropping soon where we
Speaker 1: got into kind of my life in more so business
Speaker 1: as well and told him some things I've never shared before,
Speaker 1: so look for trading secrets his podcast. And again, my
Speaker 1: love to Caitlin, my love to Jay and all of
Speaker 1: you for taking the time to DM message me right
Speaker 1: into at the most dramatic pod ever and give us
Speaker 1: these questions. But thank you very much. We have to
Speaker 1: before we wrap this up. Huge news Oprah.
Speaker 3: Oprah's always huge news.
Speaker 1: The Oprah. She turned seventy. First of all, Happy birthday, Oprah.
Speaker 3: An icon. It's a trailblazer.
Speaker 1: It's weird. I know she's been in our lives for forever,
Speaker 1: but she's so timeless. To me, she doesn't grow old.
Speaker 1: It's does she like I mean, I saw a picture
Speaker 1: of I.
Speaker 2: Think she looks amazing, but b she is always so
Speaker 2: energetic and positive that I think it feels youthful.
Speaker 1: One of the things I want to talk about. And
Speaker 1: she's an icon and someone I respect and I know
Speaker 1: you do too, as far as a journalist and things
Speaker 1: she accomplished in this business. But besides that, there's a
Speaker 1: reason she looks so fantastic, and she talked about that,
Speaker 1: and she has been very open about being on a
Speaker 1: weight loss drug.
Speaker 2: We wanted to talk about it because I feel like
Speaker 2: you and I talk about this a lot, like I mean,
Speaker 2: for everybody the ozembic weight loss drug conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the other one? Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, not with maybe.
Speaker 2: I think you're right, but it has been I mean
Speaker 2: I've listened to other podcasts on it, and what's fascinating
Speaker 2: is the conversation keeps continuing.
Speaker 3: And I think it's because this drug is not done.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked to friends of ours who own
Speaker 2: a pharmacy and they're telling us, well, this is bigger
Speaker 2: than the biggest drug ever is known as viagra. And
Speaker 2: this is bigger because it can apply to both, you know,
Speaker 2: sides of the population, men and women, and because you
Speaker 2: know a lot of people want to be on it,
Speaker 2: whether it's for health issues or just for aesthetic purposes.
Speaker 2: It's controversial, but also you know, are people on it
Speaker 2: in secret? A lot of celebrities seem to be. So
Speaker 2: the conversation just keeps happening, and we have more questions
Speaker 2: than answers, I think because I've been hearing and reading
Speaker 2: articles about how you know it's going to be start
Speaker 2: to be used on kids if it isn't already. So
Speaker 2: lots of questions, lots of backlash, and I was fascinated
Speaker 2: by and I said, we got to talk about the
Speaker 2: Oprah of it all, because my question here is can
Speaker 2: a reveal from Oprah that she is on a weight
Speaker 2: loss medication and a proud reveal she said, she's the
Speaker 2: quote is I am absolutely done with the shaming end quote.
Speaker 2: She said she is using weight loss medication as a
Speaker 2: maintenance tool. And you know she touches on in this
Speaker 2: in this It's People magazine cover story, she touches on
Speaker 2: her past because Oprah's known for being open about her
Speaker 2: weight struggles. Right that the famous Your career, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: famous episode she pulled out the wagon that had like
Speaker 2: the representation of all the fat on her body that
Speaker 2: she'd lost.
Speaker 1: And she's yo yo through the years. So the marathon
Speaker 1: stuff and all that that, it's always been a thing
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 3: So she said, quote, it was public sport to make
Speaker 3: fun of me.
Speaker 2: For twenty five years, I have been blamed and shamed,
Speaker 2: and I blamed and shamed myself. She talks about being
Speaker 2: called dumpy and frumpy by tabloids, and now she says
Speaker 2: that as she is set to term seventy, she wants
Speaker 2: to maintain a healthy weight long term be done with
Speaker 2: the shame and that she is on a weight loss
Speaker 2: medication after what she calls weight fluctuations over fifty years
Speaker 2: of her life. She says, yes, I did the yo
Speaker 2: yo thing. She said, I believe my willpower was failing
Speaker 2: and she's done with it. So can Oprah being this
Speaker 2: open and this positive turn the tide, can it stop
Speaker 2: the backlash?
Speaker 3: Does she have the power to do that?
Speaker 1: She does for sure? If I'm being Devil's advocate, this
Speaker 1: is a wonderful find and an invention that we discovered this,
Speaker 1: And I do want to talk to medical experts to
Speaker 1: see is it a ninety nine percent chance that it's
Speaker 1: going to be okay and there's really only a one
Speaker 1: percent chance this can happen to you?
Speaker 2: Or is it?
Speaker 3: Those are the big questions that I have.
Speaker 2: I feel the percentage Well, I just want like the
Speaker 2: real story from someone, because I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of arguing, a lot of probably misinformation
Speaker 2: out there. I'm just like, I want to know that.
Speaker 2: I'll use myself as an example because we do want
Speaker 2: to have someone if I went on this tomorrow, what
Speaker 2: would the risks be for me? Like, That's what I
Speaker 2: want to know, and I know the answer isn't going
Speaker 2: to be the same for everybody, but I just want
Speaker 2: to know what are the risks if you're kind of
Speaker 2: a healthy weight in only taking it to lose some weight. Now, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, listen, Oprah, this was her choice,
Speaker 2: Like she said, she struggled with.
Speaker 3: It for years.
Speaker 2: I bring this up and I was fascinated by it because,
Speaker 2: like how some real housewives have admitted to being on it,
Speaker 2: some have been accused of being on it and haven't
Speaker 2: admitted whether they are or not. But I do think
Speaker 2: Oprah has the power to maybe quiet some of the
Speaker 2: backlash because I think people respect that she's already shared
Speaker 2: her journey and spent years of struggle.
Speaker 1: There is a new podcast called Two Jersey Jays with
Speaker 1: Jackie Goldschneider and Jennifer Fessler. By the way, with iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: happens to be under the most dramatic pod umbrella, so
Speaker 1: our shout out to the Two Jersey Jays, who are
Speaker 1: in the top ten of all podcasts. So congratulations, ladies.
Speaker 1: But they are talking a lot about ozempic. One of
Speaker 1: them very much on it, the other one not quiet and.
Speaker 2: Was she the one who had the major medical issue.
Speaker 2: There was a real housewife who was hospitalized and.
Speaker 1: So I'll let you look that up. And they're talking
Speaker 1: a lot about that. So give give two Jersey Jays
Speaker 1: a listen where all podcasts can be found. I'm proud
Speaker 1: of them for doing a great job. And another medical
Speaker 1: question I really want to dive into is what is
Speaker 1: the percentage of fat you're losing? What is the percentage
Speaker 1: of muscle you're losing? Are you losing the muscle mass?
Speaker 1: And you know, everyone kind of has this ozimpic body
Speaker 1: they're talking about, and that is the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that because I'm really into the health stuff and so
Speaker 1: are you and eating healthy and all that, and I
Speaker 1: encourage people to get that info. But we are going
Speaker 1: to have these medical experts on very soon on one
Speaker 1: of our episodes to dive more into this. But I mean,
Speaker 1: this is how crazy it is. I went to breakfast
Speaker 1: with two of my buddies this morning. We were talking
Speaker 1: about it. We were talking about ozimpic. So it's at
Speaker 1: every breakfast table and every dinner table, and it's a
Speaker 1: big hot topic and I am a big fan, and
Speaker 1: so is Lauren of Let's get the facts.
Speaker 3: Like what is the ch you'll see if it comes
Speaker 3: up at your Christmas dinner table, past.
Speaker 1: The yams and the ozembic and in that vein. Merry Christmas, everybody.
Speaker 1: It's a big week, Laura and I send our love
Speaker 1: to you to your families. I hope it finds you
Speaker 1: in good health and we all have a wonderful holiday
Speaker 1: week and head into a phenomenal new year. Thank you
Speaker 1: for being with us. It's been a great year to
Speaker 1: celebrate with you. Have a great holiday, and we'll talk
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