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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about one of Rider's favorite subjects today. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's loosely is that medical stuff?

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Speaker 2: Food?

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Speaker 1: No food? Do you see food? Okay? So yes, food.

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Speaker 3: So here's why I traveled to go get some food

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Speaker 3: when my ankle was hurting.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm kidding. No, So because it kind of is.

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Speaker 3: Going to go into what we're talking about today with

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Speaker 3: our guest and with the recap that we've just done,

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Speaker 3: because Sue and I have kind of been on a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a hunt for just a great we're

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Speaker 3: big cheeseburger fans. We don't like, we don't eat them

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Speaker 3: a lot, but a hunt around to go find the

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Speaker 1: And somebody told us about a place called the munch Box.

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Speaker 3: Now, the reason that the Munchbox is so famous not

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Speaker 3: only because it makes you giggle every time you say it.

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Speaker 3: It's been around since the fifties, but it is where

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Speaker 3: so it used to be across the street from a

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Speaker 3: strip club. And all this is a this is all truth.

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Speaker 3: You can all look at all this up. And it

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Speaker 3: is where Charles Manson used to hang out when he

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Speaker 3: dropped his girls off at the strip club to make money.

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Speaker 1: And when you go there.

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Speaker 3: Now, there's actually a stone that he wrote he'd like

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Speaker 3: carved his name in, so it says Charles Manson was here.

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Speaker 1: So we're like.

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Speaker 3: Eating our burgers in like this culty kind of place.

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Speaker 1: So it goes all with all the cold stuff.

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Speaker 3: So I saw a stone the other It was a

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Speaker 3: great burger and they put chili on everything. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: this hint of smokiness. It was quite wonderful. The history

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Speaker 4: That is great. So you don't mean chili's like you

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Speaker 4: mean chili chili.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they put chili on their burgers, on their dogs

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Speaker 4: When you get it with culture, you.

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Speaker 1: Can you can.

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Speaker 3: You can also know because they put just the right

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Speaker 3: amount on it, you could still taste the meat.

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Speaker 1: Is very wonderful. And I was very wonderful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you recently told me about a great burger place

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Speaker 4: near our house.

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Speaker 1: Let's smash. Yeah awesome.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's marvelous. It is a marvelous, marvelous place.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, I do love a good cheeseburger. I know

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Speaker 4: this is writer has nothing to add to this, except

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Speaker 4: for the fact that he told us about a great

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Speaker 4: cheeseburger place near his place that's like a like a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is not possible. Burgers never say die.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of round things that you eat, we won't call

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Speaker 3: it food. But I have a question for you, Danielle,

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Speaker 3: because it's a question my wife and I post to

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Speaker 3: each other. We often ask ourselves very deep philosophical questions

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Speaker 3: that then lead.

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Speaker 1: To other things.

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Speaker 3: It's our own form of pre show chatter that my

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Speaker 3: to give up either donuts or bagels for the rest

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Speaker 3: that's not a word for me, I know, because I

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Speaker 3: know how much you love donuts.

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Speaker 1: But you'd never have a bagel again. That would you

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Speaker 4: I say to. You can do so much more with

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Speaker 4: bagels than you can. Sure, And I do like bagels.

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Speaker 4: I like sweet bagels, I like everything bagels. I like

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Speaker 4: I like it. Would never even don't do it. Don't

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Speaker 4: do it. And we talked about munch box. That's an ash, guys. No,

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Speaker 4: I would never. I wouldn't even I wouldn't miss it.

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Speaker 1: But doughnuts, Okay. It's like the food or sex question.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's so easy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah again, if we can magically not die, you'll take sex.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like, yeah, so you never you'd keep sex

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Speaker 1: If you would, if you'd still be alive.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I would so miss sex while covered in

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Speaker 1: I like sex, I do. That's great. But oh man,

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Speaker 1: have you ever had a let smash? They're phenomenal. Put

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Speaker 1: a little chili on it perfectly.

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Speaker 4: Just don't get the chili near the munchbox. Welcome to

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Speaker 4: Bobby's world. I'm Danielle Fishall.

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Speaker 1: Wilferdell.

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Speaker 4: We knew that tackling an episode as iconic and as

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Speaker 4: bt ish crazy a cult fiction would bring up a

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Speaker 4: totally unanswered, and one of them was, who is this

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Speaker 4: Sherry and where is she now? She may have ensorceled

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Speaker 4: Sean into a cult, like she's a Los Angeles pastor

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Speaker 4: putting together a TikTok dance crew to abandon their families,

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Speaker 4: but she also was so good in the episode we

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Speaker 4: wanted to know more about her, and so we tracked

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Speaker 4: classic movie She's All That and as Lily Esposito in

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Speaker 4: the early career Ryan Murphy TV show Popular. She was

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Speaker 4: also seen on Seventh Heaven, Jag and Psych and in

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Speaker 4: the criminally underrated Brady Bunch movie. Later, she would decide

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Speaker 4: in a weird twist of fate, the week we found

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Speaker 4: back into acting, a decision we for one, are happy about.

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Speaker 4: Today on Meets World, we welcome a terrible influence on Sean,

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Speaker 4: but someone we are very excited to reunite with anyway,

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Speaker 4: it's Tamra mellow. Yeah, well, welcome. We are so excited

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Speaker 4: to see you. Well, we are so excited that you're

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Speaker 4: joining us today. This is a very rare occurrence for

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Speaker 4: us where a guest star had an even crazier storyline

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Speaker 4: on Boy Meets World than they did on Seventh Heaven.

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Speaker 5: I seem to consistently play a creep.

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Speaker 4: Is Sherry your creepiest character?

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Speaker 5: You know? I gotta say so. I watched it last night.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I've seen it since it aired. It's

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think it was.

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Speaker 5: I think it was my first job. I think it

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Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, So I have so many questions. Do you

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Speaker 5: I do, because I had to audition so many times,

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Speaker 5: But I remember it being a lot of times.

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Speaker 3: They tended to do that for this special episodes we've had.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah, other guest cast come on, who say, like

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Speaker 3: So I think they were putting all their eggs in

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Speaker 1: There were really this episode. They're pushing that one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a very special episode.

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Speaker 4: Had you watched any Boy Meets World before you auditioned

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I knew the show. You guys were like iconic

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Speaker 5: stakes were very high, Like getting this job was a

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Speaker 4: Do you remember what your thoughts were the first time

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't because it was so long ago.

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Speaker 5: But it's funny because watching it back last night, when

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Speaker 5: four times. You're laying a cult member like that was

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Speaker 4: During our rewatch, we were really impressed by you because

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Speaker 4: Do you remember any approach you had going into the

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Speaker 5: I honestly don't. I think I was so nervous. I

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Speaker 2: It's like that when you're in your we were commented

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's what we because we already did a recap

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Speaker 5: Takes you an hour to be convinced that even though

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Speaker 4: I mean even said, like you even point out, oh

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Speaker 4: you remember there being any specific mentions of Scientology during

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Speaker 1: So was behind the seeds Loki converting you.

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Speaker 5: Well, I I wanted the love and affection of my father.

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Speaker 5: That's privileges origin story exactly. Yeah. I just I started

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Speaker 4: Will loves locations most.

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Speaker 5: They were nice. They were really really nice to me.

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Speaker 6: Yes, okay, while doing a show about joining I mean,

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, then you would also star in Ryan Murphy's

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Speaker 2: right in and it was like very smooth, and I don't, oh, well.

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00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 5: That makes me feel so happy. When I was watching it,

446
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 5: I just I noticed at one point, like you're in

447
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 5: the shot and you just see my creepy little hand

448
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 5: on your shoulders claiming you. Well. One thing I remember

449
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 5: though I'm working with you is people kept telling me

450
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 5: you look like Writer's girlfriend.

451
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 4: M m oh, you heard the story.

452
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 5: You heard about this, Well I only heard I look

453
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 5: like writer's girlfriend. But now Rachel Lee Cook said girlfriend.

454
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 5: She's one of my best friends.

455
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: Really, ye still very cool because she came to set.

456
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: She definitely came to set while we were filming the episode.

457
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: Oh she did, yes, And I remember talking about it

458
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: and like having that and that's why it was so

459
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: funny that you guys ended up being and she's all

460
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 2: that after the fact, you know what, like two years

461
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,719
Speaker 2: later yea, so oh that's so funny.

462
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were just at a wedding together and we

463
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 5: were walking down the street and people go, those are twins.

464
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 5: I mean, mind you. We were in New Orleans and

465
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 5: everyone was very drunk.

466
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: So gosha.

467
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 4: People never seen twins before I'd never seen two twins

468
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 4: and then screamed, Joy, it's.

469
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 5: Just drunk people in New Orleans, and we don't really

470
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 5: look that much alike.

471
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 4: We're just tiny, petite brunettes.

472
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, were the siblings brother and sister? Were they?

473
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:20,719
Speaker 1: Were they both? I can't stop? All right?

474
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean in any parent knows if you walk

475
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 4: in and see something weird going on with your kids

476
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 4: and you say, what's going on, and they say, it's fine,

477
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 4: don't worry about it. Everyone knows you're you accept that

478
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 4: and you leave you you leave them alone, you turn

479
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 4: off the lights, absolutely leave them alone, and say got it. Thanks,

480
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 4: thanks for letting me know. I just wanted to check in.

481
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 5: Everyone knows about parenting.

482
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 4: That's where I get all my advice. So were there

483
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: any roles you auditioned for in your career that were

484
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 4: roles you really wanted, but were roles that got away?

485
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: Oh?

486
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,120
Speaker 5: God, yeah, probably most of them.

487
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 4: Honestly, I know, anything anything you actually auditioned.

488
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 5: For I didn't really wanted it.

489
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

490
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: That is that is our that's what we do. I

491
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 4: remember so many rules, reading a thing and being like

492
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 4: this one, I really want this one, and then you're

493
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 4: just they I saw you and took your head shott

494
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 4: and throw it into the garbage the door.

495
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like you've worked on it, you've memorized the script,

496
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 5: you've written your backstory, and you're like, this is it,

497
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 5: this is my moment. And I one time, I can't

498
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 5: remember what the job was, but I I went to

499
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 5: the audition and I was so pumped. I was so excited,

500
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 5: and I could hear them through the door.

501
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 4: You yes, I hate that feeling the worst.

502
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 5: And this director was talking to this actress and laughing

503
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 5: and they were in there for twenty minutes.

504
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm sweating. I'm sweating at the bott of it.

505
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 4: I already. Yeah, it's like.

506
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 5: So I walked in and I you know when they

507
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 5: give you like three scenes and you read the first

508
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 5: one and they go thank you, thank you, thanks all,

509
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 5: and I went no, yes, which I said, I heard

510
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 5: you in here chatting this girl up for twenty minutes.

511
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 5: I want to read the other two scenes. And they went, okay,

512
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 5: I'm not going to shut you up.

513
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: Listener.

514
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 5: I didn't get that job.

515
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I cast.

516
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 5: The director never brought me in again.

517
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 4: Oh that's a that's a rough feeling. I once had

518
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: an audition where I was doing the scene and the

519
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 4: casting director stopped me in the middle of it and

520
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 4: then gave me a note and said, I want you

521
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: to start again, and I want you to take that

522
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 4: note that I just gave you. And I said okay,

523
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 4: and I started it again, and he stopped me again

524
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 4: in the same place. He gave me the exact same note,

525
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 4: told me to start it again. I started the scene again,

526
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 4: and halfway through the scene, he goes, Wow, you're really visceral,

527
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 4: aren't you.

528
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: Visceral visceral?

529
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: And I went and he went okay, thank you.

530
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 5: Oh God.

531
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 4: I was like, I never want to do this again.

532
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: I just never want to I just don't want to

533
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 4: do this anymore.

534
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, I had.

535
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: I had somebody actually that had thrown my picture away

536
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 3: right after I walked out of.

537
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: The room because I went back.

538
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 3: I was with my parents and I went back and

539
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, no, I'm sorry. I think I

540
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: gave you the wrong headshot. And she's like, it's in

541
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: the trash you can cut out. And I literally had

542
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: to grab it from the trash can, like rooting through

543
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: trash to find my picture to walk to walk out.

544
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a casting director answer her phone, put

545
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: their finger up, answer the phone and then talk. But

546
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: mid scene just have to sit there and then put

547
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: it down. Okay, let's keep going. You're listening.

548
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: This is important to you.

549
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 5: It's the system that it's really setting you up for failure.

550
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 5: And like when they say, like you just go in

551
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 5: there and you act like you already have the job,

552
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 5: but it's impossible. Yeah, when people are you know, like

553
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 5: I've had people eat during like network tests. I've had

554
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 5: people like sitting in the back eating their lunch, and

555
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: you know, it's like the best thing I think that

556
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 5: has happened is is the COVID pandemic. It's the best

557
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 5: thing that's ever happened for actors because like now you

558
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 5: just get to talk to help tape.

559
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: I got to get back into the industry. It's now

560
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: built for me.

561
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 4: I know of all the time, I know it is

562
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 4: true because I remember that is part of the frustrating

563
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 4: feeling is all the time you've spent prepping, memorizing your lines,

564
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 4: doing all the stuff you mentioned, the backstory and all

565
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: the all that work, and then a minimum of a

566
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 4: forty fifty sixty minute drive to wherever you're going in traffic,

567
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: waiting in the waiting room, then going in being inside

568
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: the room for maybe a couple of minutes, yeah, maybe

569
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: even less if it's if it doesn't go well, and

570
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 4: then you have all that time to drive.

571
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: Back, drive back again.

572
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: And now you can self tape and that comes with

573
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 4: It's all with its own host of issue.

574
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: Done it. But I would hate it. Yeah, I mean

575
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: I think, well, yeah, I'm just not. Yeah, I always.

576
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: I always hated, Like I mean, I'm going to old school,

577
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: Like I liked auditioning without cameras in the room, Like

578
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 2: I liked it when it used to be you just

579
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: met person. And I remember, like during Boys, when they

580
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: started filming you every time and it was all to

581
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: a tape for other people to see. And I remember

582
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: hating that because it changed the vibe. Like, you know,

583
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: I liked it more theatrical, like where it's like, oh

584
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: do we connect, do we talk? You know, it just

585
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: it was more of a person to person connection. Being

586
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: from auditioning out of New York, we couldn't do that.

587
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: You were always all the shows are in LA.

588
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: So we had to we had to be put on

589
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: tape every single time. The opposite is also true with auditioning, though,

590
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: when you have those great auditions, if you had the

591
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: ones when you leave the room and they come running

592
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: after you like.

593
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: Wait a second, can you come back here?

594
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: And they do that in front of everybody else in

595
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: the room, and you're like like, okay.

596
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 5: That went well, it's the best.

597
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: It's an amazing feeling, and you can get that.

598
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: But I always feel like those are set up with

599
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: so much respect, right like usually, like for me at least,

600
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: if I ever showed up for an on and they

601
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: knew I was coming and had anything any sort of

602
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: like identification of like you're a.

603
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Human being, I would do better.

604
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: Like you know, if I showed up and had to

605
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: wait like an hour and a half, invariably it was

606
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 2: an awful audition. Like you know, it's just so clear

607
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: that if you give actors respect and treat them well,

608
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: they'll ride, they'll do better, Like people respond better when

609
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: you're when it's just a cold call, like oh it's

610
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: the worst.

611
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 5: I know. Just how about just give people water?

612
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, apologize up when things are running late

613
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 4: and a casting director does come out and says, hey, guys,

614
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I know this is the last thing you

615
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 4: want to hear. But we're running a little bit late today.

616
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 4: We started late because we had an important meeting that

617
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 4: came up. I just want to let you know we

618
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 4: are getting getting to you as soon as possible. Like

619
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: knowing that and you're not just wondering what's going on.

620
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 4: It's so so different.

621
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: At least treat us like we're stuck in a plane

622
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: on the tarmac. Right, you know, you can use the bathroom,

623
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: let her know what's going on.

624
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: We're good.

625
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 5: We don't demand much.

626
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: No, So, Tamra, you're from Orange County, right, Yeah, Well,

627
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 4: I grew.

628
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 5: Up in Diamond Bar, which is I think it probably

629
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 5: says on my IMDb in Orange County because I didn't

630
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 5: write that. But I went to school and I went

631
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 5: to college in Orange County, so maybe that's why. But yes,

632
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 5: I grew up in.

633
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: California, Okay, And so although only maybe an hour without

634
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 4: traffic from LA, it can sometimes feel like a lifetime away.

635
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: What did your parents and your friends think about you

636
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: auditioning and becoming an actor?

637
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 5: I think, you know, my dad was very supportive. My

638
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 5: dad died when I was in my twenties, but he

639
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 5: was very supportive. But I say this now, I think

640
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 5: I think if I had been born a boy, he

641
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 5: would have been less supportive, you know what I mean.

642
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 5: I think he just thought she's a girl, she's cute,

643
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 5: someone will marry her and take care of her, so

644
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 5: like litter averagery. Yeah, but everybody thought it was cool

645
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 5: because it wasn't. I didn't grow up knowing anyone that

646
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 5: was an actor. Yeah, and I think you sort of

647
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: need that, uh like that feeling of like, well, I

648
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 5: can't fail at this. I've been very successful in community theater.

649
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 5: Could is? Could it be any harder than that? And

650
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 5: it's like it takes that sort of mindset to do it,

651
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 5: because if you knew what the odds were against you, like,

652
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 5: you wouldn't try.

653
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

654
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: I mean everyone must have been very impressed with you

655
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: making it to it, you know. And she all that

656
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: alongside Freddie Prince Junior, Rachel Ye Cook, Matthew Lillard, Paul Walker, Usher,

657
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 4: Clia Duval, Lil kim My Love and a Emilia Anna

658
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: Paquin Kiaren Colkin. I mean, this must have been quite

659
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 4: an experience.

660
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 5: Everyone is in that movie.

661
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: I forgot that. Geez, that list is crazy.

662
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: What was that experience like.

663
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 5: It was really really fun. It was really fun. Yeah,

664
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 5: Like I like Paul Walker and I got close and

665
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Speaker 5: he would confide things in me, which was a really

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Speaker 5: cool thing. And it's a very you know, it's it's

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Speaker 5: a sad memory. But everybody was close. We were like

668
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Speaker 5: it was like we were in high school together. And

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Speaker 5: and like Rachel says now because she tracked me down

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Speaker 5: several years ago and was like, listen, I didn't go

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Speaker 5: to high school, my high and we're going to be

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Speaker 5: friends again.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Where'd you guys shoot? Was it in La or? Oh?

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Speaker 1: What you care about? The location?

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Speaker 5: Ready for this one?

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Speaker 1: You shoot a taft Connecticut? Where'd you shoot?

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Speaker 5: No? It was Torrance, Torrance High School? And then we

678
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Speaker 5: shot a ton of stuff in in like the Palisades

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Speaker 5: mostly I think we were in the Palisades.

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Speaker 4: So do people mostly recognize you from that movie? Or

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Speaker 4: do you ever get recognized as a cult a leader

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Speaker 4: adjacent from Boy Meets World.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if anyone's ever recognized me from Boy

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Speaker 5: Meets World, but I do occasionally. It hasn't happened in

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Speaker 5: a while, but I've gotten some very strongly worded direct messages.

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Speaker 4: Oh really, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Like leave Sean alone. You know what you're doing. This

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Speaker 5: is a cult, like like from like deeply unhinged people

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Speaker 5: or maybe writer alone.

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Speaker 3: God.

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Speaker 4: Wow, you know people have strong feelings, they very.

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Speaker 5: Strong feelings, and you know people are watching it now

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Speaker 5: and I think they think it's real time and the

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Speaker 5: line is so blurred between scripted television and reality television.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well then years ago, I mean you mentioned your seventeen

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Speaker 4: year old son. Has he seen your work?

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Speaker 5: Yes, ish, But like I remember I tried to show

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Speaker 5: him She's all that when he was maybe like eight,

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Speaker 5: and he went, I think this is a little adultish

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Speaker 5: for me.

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Speaker 4: I love it, which is fair.

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Speaker 5: Because like I think he was reacting to Jody Leno

704
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Speaker 5: keep licking Matthew Lillard's bare chest, right, And then when

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Speaker 5: we were gonna watch this, I said, will you watch

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Speaker 5: it with me? And he goes, I've already seen it,

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Speaker 5: And I was so excited that he's been secretly watching Wow.

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Speaker 5: But like, I don't know that he's ever seen popular

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Speaker 5: like I was in a movie called Trtish Soup, which

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Speaker 5: I've made him watch a couple of time times. But

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Speaker 5: he well, he might care, but he pretends that he

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Speaker 5: doesn't care.

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Speaker 1: Well he's seventeen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so everything I do is embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: Well, years ago, you decided to step away from Hollywood.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that was a decision that wasn't easy, considering

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Speaker 4: you had been acting since your late teen's early twenties.

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Speaker 4: What led you to that decision?

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Speaker 5: It was largely having my son. I did a pilot

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Speaker 5: when he was I think three months old, and it

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Speaker 5: was single camera, so you know, there's ins yeah, like

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Speaker 5: stelevision seventeen hour days, and it was hard. It was

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Speaker 5: just hard to be away from him. So I decided

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Speaker 5: to sort of step back and I started a jewelry company,

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Speaker 5: and I'm lucky enough that it's, you know, fairly successful.

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Speaker 4: What's the name of the jewelry company? I used to

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Speaker 4: mention jewels and I will location.

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Speaker 5: In Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, tell me more.

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Speaker 5: It's called Gray by Tamramelo. Gray is my son's name.

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Speaker 4: Oh I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've you know, I'm already I can tell.

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Speaker 5: I'm like I always say, like I'm such a cliche,

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Speaker 5: like I was an actress and now I sell jewelry

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Speaker 5: on Etsy. But it's it works. So it's it's been

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Speaker 5: really nice for me, But now that my son is

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Speaker 5: older and doesn't need me anymore, now I'm like, maybe

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Speaker 5: it's time to like dip a toe back into acting

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Speaker 5: like I miss it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm so excited to hear that. I know the

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Speaker 4: week we like found you, not that you were hiding

742
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Speaker 4: or anything, but the week we discovered you on Instagram,

743
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Speaker 4: we saw that you had posted that you were jumping

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Speaker 4: back in and it's very exciting. Do you have an agent?

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Speaker 4: Have you started auditioning? Where are you in this process?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I have an agent, and I have my same

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00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 5: manager that I've had since boy me its world and

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00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 5: she was sort of fundamental and being like don't you

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Speaker 5: think wouldn't you just want to try? And so yeah,

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Speaker 5: like I had an audition yesterday and I taped it

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Speaker 5: in my bedroom, Like it was like really easy and fun.

752
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Speaker 5: So this this feels like an easy sort of transition

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Speaker 5: back in because I don't have to do too much

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Speaker 5: leg work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're right now that now that things are

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Speaker 4: self tape and you can do it at home and

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00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 4: your son is older now like it does it feels

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Speaker 4: like a real nice entry point. So if you had

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Speaker 4: to describe your dream role now, what would it be?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: What if you could?

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Speaker 1: I just said, how long that took for Daniel to get.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I didn't hear what you said, and

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Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, I like landed in.

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Speaker 1: My ear chabata.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if you had to drive, describe your dream acting role.

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Speaker 4: What would it be?

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Speaker 1: Number?

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Speaker 4: Would it involve the cult leader?

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Speaker 5: I have my old No, it would be it would

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Speaker 5: be comedy, like I love I love comedy. I love

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Speaker 5: the schedule of a multi cam Yeah. But yeah, Like

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Speaker 5: when I was younger, I was really into you know,

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Speaker 5: I was like I want to be dark and complicated,

775
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Speaker 5: and now I'm like, I just want to have fun.

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Speaker 5: Let's just have fun and make people laugh. That sounds nice.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Well, as you mentioned, we asked you to watch

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Speaker 4: the episode last night, So looking back now watching a

779
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Speaker 4: completely insane Boy Meets World episode that you were such

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Speaker 4: a highlight in, if you had the chance to tell

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Speaker 4: that twenty year old on screen that you saw something today,

782
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Speaker 4: what would you tell her?

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Speaker 5: Oh? God, I think I would probably just say like,

784
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 5: don't don't take it all so seriously. I remember just

785
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Speaker 5: being so stressed all the time and like, oh I

786
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 5: have to read all these scripts and it's so hard,

787
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Speaker 5: and it's like, no, you have this. You have been

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Speaker 5: given this gift of like being able to work in

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Speaker 5: this industry that like is a dream, and so just like,

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Speaker 5: remember to have fun, Yes, remember to enjoy it a

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Speaker 5: little bit along the way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, hopefully now that you are dipping your toe

793
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Speaker 4: back in and you know, you get the opportunity to

794
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Speaker 4: experience it all over again with a you know, relaxed,

795
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Speaker 4: more fun, mature perspective on everything. It's the same lesson

796
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Speaker 4: for a writer and I when we look back and

797
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 4: watch the show, we think, man, I wish we were

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00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: We did have a lot of fun, but we also

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Speaker 4: work so preoccupied with thoughts about where we should be,

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Speaker 4: what we should be doing, wing what we were missing

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00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 4: out on. And you know, life was passing us by

802
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 4: right in front of our eyes when we were daydreaming

803
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: that life was actually happening somewhere else. So I can

804
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 4: so relate to what you're saying. We look forward to

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00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 4: seeing you in many more things now. We thank you

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00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: so much for coming and spending your time with us today.

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Speaker 4: It was an absolute pleasure to see you. And I

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Speaker 4: will be buying I'll be buying some jewelry.

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Speaker 5: This was super fun. Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you great to see you too.

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Speaker 5: Bye bye.

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Speaker 4: She's so much fun. Yeah, she doesn't seem culty at all. No,

813
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Speaker 4: that's how they get you. Oh, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Was into like helter skelter and kind of because that

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Speaker 2: does seem right. You know, you can tell that she

816
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: kind of likes being a little creepy when she was

817
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: acting in that character because she isn't. She doesn't get

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Speaker 2: that many jokes, like I don't think does she never

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Speaker 2: laugh ever, Like she's she's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's cool. But I love that Now in

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Speaker 1: our real life she's is very relaxed and funny.

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Speaker 3: So this story about just Jerry, all the stuff Jerry

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Speaker 3: was saying.

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Speaker 1: I was dying.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing, amazing story. Well, thank you all for joining

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Speaker 4: us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always,

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Speaker 4: you can follow us on Instagram pod meets World Show.

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Speaker 4: gmail dot com. And we have merch.

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Speaker 1: Where is the merch? What is the exact location of

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Speaker 1: the merch?

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Speaker 4: It's at podmeetsworldshow dot com. Will Yes writer send us out?

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Speaker 1: We love you all, Pod dismissed.

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