WEBVTT - Jenn’s Finale

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast

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<v Speaker 2>It's a famous podcast. We are here with the breakdown

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<v Speaker 2>of the finale episode from Gen season of The Bachelorette. Ashley,

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<v Speaker 2>before we dive into the finale episode, specifically outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the ending, because we're going to talk about the ending

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<v Speaker 2>now and our opinions on the ending and how we

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<v Speaker 2>felt about the ending for a long time. So instead

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<v Speaker 2>of just starting out with maybe our thoughts and feels,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear what you think of the season

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<v Speaker 2>in general, like up to the take take the ending

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<v Speaker 2>out of it, takes the last episode out of it

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<v Speaker 2>if you can. How did you feel about Gen's time

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<v Speaker 2>as the Bachelorette? How did you do as the Bachelorette?

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<v Speaker 2>What was your enjoyment watching the show? The contestants, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and all the guys. Because what we do, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know I'm long winded here, but what we end up

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<v Speaker 2>doing is we break it down at the beginning and

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<v Speaker 2>we give our opinions on all these guys from their pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>We have no clue who they are, what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we watch this season and I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've ever been more right about a

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<v Speaker 2>cast of characters, and we were this season based on

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<v Speaker 2>our assumptions with the pictures, and I want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts in the season.

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<v Speaker 3>I really like the season. I find myself really liking

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much every season once we get down to the finale,

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<v Speaker 3>once we get down to like the top ten, I

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<v Speaker 3>think that every season. Now there's a pattern for me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just those first couple episodes. You got to get

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<v Speaker 3>through them, and then once I get attached to the

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<v Speaker 3>lead and to the characters, I'm so excited to get

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<v Speaker 3>the episode in our inbox every week. Really like Jenn

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<v Speaker 3>as the lead. I think she did a great job,

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<v Speaker 3>and I felt that I like this cast of men

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<v Speaker 3>I felt more tied to then I have the past

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<v Speaker 3>few seasons, Like I went and I followed a few

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<v Speaker 3>of them and I was like, oh, I'm like interested

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<v Speaker 3>in their lives. And then I followed one last night.

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<v Speaker 2>Im sure you did, I'm sure you did?

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<v Speaker 3>What about Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What about you?

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<v Speaker 3>Ben?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? You know, I might come at it from a

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<v Speaker 2>different angle. Honestly, I thought I was into the season.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Jen did do a great job as the bachelorette.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes sense to us now why she was chosen

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<v Speaker 2>as the bachelorette for multiple reasons. I thought she coming

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<v Speaker 2>off of last season now was the clear choice, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the only other person I would throw into

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<v Speaker 2>that mix was Daisy, who is obviously in a relationship

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<v Speaker 2>so she could not be the bachelorette and as she said,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't fit her. I think the other person talked

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<v Speaker 2>about was Maria. Well, you know, things haven't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>gone where Maria has come out and been this huge

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<v Speaker 2>character from the show, like we kind of expected her

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<v Speaker 2>to be. I do think it shows that Jen coming

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<v Speaker 2>off last season, was the clear best choice for bachelorette,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think she did really well at it. I would, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would also though just add I know there may

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<v Speaker 2>be is one or two then I'm that I would

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<v Speaker 2>con sitter following or being invested into. I do think

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<v Speaker 2>this cast of men had very little marriage potential. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not even talking about the finale episode. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about now, like I look back on even some of

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<v Speaker 2>the men that were eliminated with six people left, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, I don't think any of these dudes were

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<v Speaker 2>marriage potential, like they did. The cast need a really

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<v Speaker 2>bad job at finding men who were one ready, too

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<v Speaker 2>humble enough to not just want the fame of it

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<v Speaker 2>all but want the love from it, and then that

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<v Speaker 2>match Jin. And maybe that is because they didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>Jen was going to be the bachelor till the very end.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did not think this cast of men had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of marriage winners in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, yes, Ben, I completely agree with you

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<v Speaker 3>with these guys obviously were so not ready for marriage

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<v Speaker 3>and I, oh, gosh, it's so awful to say, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of them were there for Maria.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't you think.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt? It does feel like the kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>personalities of these men matched more of like the the

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<v Speaker 2>Maria type Jevin does. Yeah, definitely does. There are some

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<v Speaker 2>guys from Charity season that we did forget. Braiden obviously, Braiden.

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<v Speaker 3>Bowers, Bryden Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Branden obviously is a name that we probably should remember.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know. There was John Henry, uh from.

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<v Speaker 3>John Henry was cute but like and he played a

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<v Speaker 3>big role in Paradise. Yeah, but I don't like associate

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<v Speaker 3>him with the season.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's real. I mean, we're not wrong in saying

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<v Speaker 2>that this. You know, this cast I think will remember

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<v Speaker 2>a few more names from uh. I just think cher.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Jen did a really good job at helping

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<v Speaker 2>us know this cast. I think she asked really good questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she was very engaging, and I think she

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<v Speaker 2>spoke her mind, which allowed for really fun conversations to

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<v Speaker 2>watch about this season. So, with all that being said,

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<v Speaker 2>up to the final final episode, this was an enjoyable

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<v Speaker 2>season to watch. I was invested going into last Night

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<v Speaker 2>and incredibly curious about how last Night would go because

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<v Speaker 2>you and I did stay, which hasn't happened. I did

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<v Speaker 2>not stay completely unspoiled for Joey's season.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's because you became friends with Joey. I was

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<v Speaker 3>pretty unspoiled for Joey's season and last night, well, let

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<v Speaker 3>me tell you this, I was pretty unspoiled up until

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<v Speaker 3>within the past week. I heard from a really good

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<v Speaker 3>friend who said that Devin had slid into her DMS,

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<v Speaker 3>and that sort of spoiled things for me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know exactly how it was going to end,

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<v Speaker 3>but I knew that they weren't together.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this a good friend from the show, No, so

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<v Speaker 2>some random friend.

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<v Speaker 3>That you have exactly which makes it worse.

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<v Speaker 2>You're telling me that Devin is so hungry and active

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<v Speaker 2>that this comment, and we're going to get into it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more later. But this comment from Jin that

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<v Speaker 2>he was following Maria, which I felt like, had more

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<v Speaker 2>to it than what was just being said on television,

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<v Speaker 2>because with all that happened, I don't think she wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to absolutely destroy him on national television, and I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he wanted to try to protect himself because

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<v Speaker 2>it would made him look terrible. But you're telling me

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<v Speaker 2>that comment from Jin where she says you followed Maria

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<v Speaker 2>obviously had more weight to it because he didn't just

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<v Speaker 2>follow Maria before the freaking finale could even come out.

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<v Speaker 2>He was messaging random humans, not for the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure she said that she was like girls,

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<v Speaker 3>including Maria most notably. Yeah, it's just a guess. This

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<v Speaker 3>girl followed him just because she's been a fan of

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<v Speaker 3>him from the show, like this personality. And then yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>then he DMed.

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<v Speaker 2>Her so much to get into there. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>cover that and so we're back, good friend, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>follow Uh, We're gonna talk about that and so much

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<v Speaker 2>more as we continue. But Let's start with the breakdown

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<v Speaker 2>of the episode. Let's start at the beginning. We see

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<v Speaker 2>the date and the time with Marcus. Marcus has always

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<v Speaker 2>been a front runner since night one. Obviously, Marcus and

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<v Speaker 2>Jen have had this connection, but the storyline going through

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<v Speaker 2>this season has been Marcus just can't get there. I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that this has been a secondary storyline to most.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a secondary storyline to the sam m sam

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<v Speaker 2>in and also to kind of even Jonathan going home unexpectedly.

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<v Speaker 2>But this week we really get to focus on Marcus

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<v Speaker 2>and where his feelings lie. His feelings as he communicates,

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<v Speaker 2>just aren't there with Jen. It surprises me that they

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get there. I know, and there are rumors upon

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<v Speaker 2>rumors on Reddit about a lot of these contestants. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are things that have not yet been proven true. So

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<v Speaker 2>I have to look through the filter of what I

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<v Speaker 2>know from the show to make any type of assumption

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<v Speaker 2>or comment on this. So taking any of the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that's going on in the outside of the show into perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciated Marcus's honesty. I do appreciate the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't pulling a Devin and saying the right thing,

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<v Speaker 2>so that he ends up at the end and then

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately breaking her heart or her breaking his heart after

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<v Speaker 2>the fact. And so I think within the vacuum of

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<v Speaker 2>the show, Marcus's way of communicating with Jin and how

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<v Speaker 2>they say goodbye to each other was probably the most

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<v Speaker 2>respectful way you could do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, except for like he kind of wanted to stick around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was just kind of like seeing how long

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<v Speaker 2>he could last until Yeah, he had to get down

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<v Speaker 2>on me.

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<v Speaker 3>He like was down to go on the date. She

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<v Speaker 3>made the right move and being like, no, we're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to do this. And you know what's interesting is that,

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<v Speaker 3>like she says that her feelings for Devin were stronger,

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<v Speaker 3>and we read that different the entire season. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>think that we were wrong or do you think that

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<v Speaker 3>there's like an edit in her head.

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<v Speaker 2>That her Are you asking me if I think her

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<v Speaker 2>feelings for Marcus or for Devin we're stronger than Marcus.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that that is a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>revisionist history that she's telling herself. Yeah, she's looking back

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<v Speaker 2>and at the end going, you know what, it's always

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<v Speaker 2>been devon, which is a fair thought to have, especially

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<v Speaker 2>as you're sitting across from somebody kind of having this breakup.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, it's fine because I have the person I've

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<v Speaker 2>always been more into. I don't think, and the show

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<v Speaker 2>makes it. It doesn't really come off on television. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really hard to have a clear favorite. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>has happened in some seasons, and I think that is

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<v Speaker 2>true love, and we've seen that true love last I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's really hard to have a clear favorite for

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<v Speaker 2>much longer than the last few days because you're so

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<v Speaker 2>you're compartmentalizing so much, and your brain has kind of

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<v Speaker 2>trained itself to have all these separate relationships. It's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of compare and contrast until it really gets

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<v Speaker 2>down to two and you see where those two lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, very interesting, I do think.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think there's some exceptions. I think the Jojo

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan things an exception. I think Dotten and Charity are

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<v Speaker 2>an exception. I'm assuming with Zach shell Cross the season

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<v Speaker 2>and Katie, I think that's an exception. I think there

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<v Speaker 2>are some exceptions. No, No, I don't think I put

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<v Speaker 2>Caitlin and Sean in that category.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, do you want to talk about the

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<v Speaker 3>family meet and greets real quick? Because just like overall,

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<v Speaker 3>the family didn't seem to be down with either. Dude,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that anybody would have gotten their approval though.

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<v Speaker 3>They just are not for this process.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're definitely not for the process now, I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 2>after last night, but the family and I also know

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<v Speaker 2>the producer's influence on the family in those moments, and

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<v Speaker 2>so for Jin, she's been produced for about six months

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<v Speaker 2>of her life at this point. Right she was on

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<v Speaker 2>the Bachelorette or on the Bachelor. Now she's on the Bachelorette.

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<v Speaker 2>She kind of understands the game. That's an important thing

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<v Speaker 2>to know. She's understands the language they're using and how

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to kind of like manipulate the situation or

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<v Speaker 2>manipulate her or speak into her. She's gotten it. She's

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<v Speaker 2>become a pro and she listens when she wants to listen,

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<v Speaker 2>and she doesn't when she doesn't want to. For a family,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little different. You walk in blind, you're here

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<v Speaker 2>for a few hours, and you have four producers being

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<v Speaker 2>so nice to you and making sure that they're so

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<v Speaker 2>hospitable to you and that they are your best friend,

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<v Speaker 2>and they tell you how great your sister or daughter

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<v Speaker 2>is and how wonderful she's doing. And then they get

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<v Speaker 2>into the truth and they're like, but gosh, the guys are

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<v Speaker 2>just terrible. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why I love that you were at that

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<v Speaker 3>part of the process multiple you know, and I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's hilarious to hear this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you can. But you've been around long enough

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<v Speaker 2>to know this is not an untrue statement that this

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<v Speaker 2>could be Definitely, this is definitely how it goes down.

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<v Speaker 2>And they start to just use these subtle the subtle

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<v Speaker 2>language that they believe is subtle. I think it's very

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<v Speaker 2>clear to see through it once you're in it long

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<v Speaker 2>enough to kind of distract from their actual own personal opinions.

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<v Speaker 2>So they come in and the show knows that Jenn's

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<v Speaker 2>family is going to have a hard time with this process.

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<v Speaker 2>They know they're going to be hesitant to give anybody

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<v Speaker 2>their approval, and so the show starts to play into

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<v Speaker 2>that and starts to really start to stab at that

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<v Speaker 2>and open up this feeling for them to being like, no,

0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.520
<v Speaker 2>I got to protect my sister, No, I got to

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<v Speaker 2>protect my daughter because these guys aren't ready for her.

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<v Speaker 3>But don't they make it seem like one person's better

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<v Speaker 3>than the.

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<v Speaker 2>Other most seasons. I think on this season they knew exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this show had a really good idea of

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<v Speaker 2>how this is going to play out. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>they knew Devin, and they knew how he was probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to respond to the fame and to the attention

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<v Speaker 2>and to it. And the show knows, Yes, the show

0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.560
<v Speaker 2>knows these contestants really well. With Marcus at this point,

0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.760
<v Speaker 2>they already knew he was doubting, and they're like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not a guy that has ever been that into Jen,

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<v Speaker 2>and so as a result, let's play that up. And

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<v Speaker 2>the show loves a new ending. I think that's something

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<v Speaker 2>we want to talk about later. The show loves a

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<v Speaker 2>new ending. They love something that's shocking that they can

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<v Speaker 2>market as something that's never happened before. The show loves it.

0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.319
<v Speaker 2>They always have and so I think in their mind

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<v Speaker 2>they had this idea that we know how this show

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<v Speaker 2>is now going to end. We know this new end,

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<v Speaker 2>and so this is what we can do to help

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<v Speaker 2>it out.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what's really weird is when the teasers happened,

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of the season was happening, and we were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about it here and calling, you know, our prediction

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<v Speaker 3>for the ending the first week of July, second of July.

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<v Speaker 3>They weren't. They weren't broken up, they were together, and

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<v Speaker 3>then why did all of us It's almost as if

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<v Speaker 3>it was like a self fulfilling prophecy, or that's probably

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<v Speaker 3>not the right term something.

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<v Speaker 2>So what you're saying is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like the whole tease was that she was

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<v Speaker 3>going to end up alone, right, and then she ends

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<v Speaker 3>up alone. But when we were all predicting that she

0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.440
<v Speaker 3>was going to end up alone, she actually wasn't.

0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what you're saying it it is that the

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<v Speaker 2>marketing has always pointed to the fact that Jin wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to be happy at the end, or that she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't find anybody at the end, and yet at that

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<v Speaker 2>time when the first show first started, she was with somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>So she was happy, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she's certainly going through it.

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<v Speaker 2>My point to what I just said before was the

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<v Speaker 2>show knows these contestants well exactly. I think they always

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<v Speaker 2>knew that Devin wasn't going to make it through this one. Yeah,

0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.240
<v Speaker 2>they knew this attention, They knew that he was seeking,

0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, this approval from the audience and as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as this became really exciting, and maybe his dms did

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<v Speaker 2>start to fill up with people being inquisitive, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not with Jen, I'm I'm here, He's they

0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the show knew that he would jump on it, because,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, the show and it's it's creepy. I

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<v Speaker 2>have many stories and I can't share him here. I

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<v Speaker 2>have many stories about how the show before you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm even off of it, have said something about

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<v Speaker 2>somebody and it's ended up being true maybe a year later,

0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.160
<v Speaker 2>maybe two years later. The show knows these contestants so well.

0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.600
<v Speaker 2>It's creepy you.

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<v Speaker 3>Think that they had any hand in changing Devin's mind,

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<v Speaker 3>or that they just knew his personality well enough, because like, seriously,

0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:12.720
<v Speaker 3>they are just they're like psyched, They're like Joe like psychiatrists.

0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:14.320
<v Speaker 3>They know the brands so well.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say this, I don't think the show has I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think their best outcome for this season was that

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<v Speaker 2>the two of them end up together. And so you know,

0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Devin has a producer that he's become really close with.

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<v Speaker 2>So how this works is when you get to the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the show, whoever whatever producer has connected most

0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.720
<v Speaker 2>with you throughout this season, ends up being kind of

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<v Speaker 2>your one on one producer for the last few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>of the show. So when you get down to the

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<v Speaker 2>final four, each four, each contestant ends up getting a

0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.480
<v Speaker 2>one producer for them. Instead of like five different producers

0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.760
<v Speaker 2>speaking into him, it's one uh, And so that producer

0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.000
<v Speaker 2>ends up becoming a really good friend. End up trusting

0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.560
<v Speaker 2>this producer, You end up caring about this producer, And

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<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, I do believe for the most part, the

0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:05.280
<v Speaker 2>producers care about you as well at some level, you know,

0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.320
<v Speaker 2>because their job and because if they didn't, it's a

0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.720
<v Speaker 2>really hard couple months of their life. And then this

0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.600
<v Speaker 2>producer kind of stays with you post show, especially if

0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.560
<v Speaker 2>you're devon. They're going to talk to you every day.

0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.520
<v Speaker 2>They're sending you a text, they're checking in on you,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera.

0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Not in like a manipulative way, guys, in like a

0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.840
<v Speaker 3>we're informing you aby like how your life is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be over the next few weeks, Like this is

0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:28.720
<v Speaker 3>going to happen in the next episode.

0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they check in with that.

0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like you you're gonna have to come for this,

0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:35.800
<v Speaker 3>and yeah, you hear from them a lot.

0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:39.320
<v Speaker 2>But as Devin starts, as the producer starts to think

0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:47.120
<v Speaker 2>that Devin is looking outward to other things outside of Gin.

0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:53.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that producer was necessarily trying to uh

0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.320
<v Speaker 2>support him in coming back to Jen. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>would probably like, tell me more, Oh that makes sense, Yeah, yeah,

0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.560
<v Speaker 2>you know what. It's hard. Of course, you were doubting

0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.440
<v Speaker 2>your feelings going through this process. Remember when we talked

0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.080
<v Speaker 2>about it in Tahiti, how you were doubting your feelings. Yeah,

0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.320
<v Speaker 2>you know what. We probably should have been more honest

0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.080
<v Speaker 2>at that point. And then all of a sudden, he

0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.240
<v Speaker 2>has this person on their side, sent you know, coaching

0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.919
<v Speaker 2>them up. They ended up breaking up, and then that

0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.119
<v Speaker 2>producer calls the executive producers within the next five minutes

0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.880
<v Speaker 2>being like, hey, Devin and Jen, they're not together anymore.

0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:30.360
<v Speaker 2>And Devin's you know, out there messaging girls on Instagram,

0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.879
<v Speaker 2>and then the whole new storyline began. So that's a

0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.280
<v Speaker 2>long winded way of saying that I don't think the

0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.840
<v Speaker 2>show pushed them apart. I don't think the show also

0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.920
<v Speaker 2>tried to bring them back together, based on my experience,

0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.000
<v Speaker 2>because I know, in my experience as soon as somebody

0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.600
<v Speaker 2>in my relationship started doubting, the producers were very much

0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.439
<v Speaker 2>in favor of supporting that doubt.

0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.320
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, can we just skip to it the doubt

0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.359
<v Speaker 3>the after the final rowse because I need to know.

0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.240
<v Speaker 2>About your brother was great. Can we just say that.

0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think he deserves a mention on this show.

0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.200
<v Speaker 2>I think he deserves a mention on the podcast. I mean,

0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:11.439
<v Speaker 2>very protective, very intuitive, you know obviously for how the

0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.040
<v Speaker 2>ending worked. Big star, which we've seen multiple times. You know,

0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.320
<v Speaker 2>as these seasons have progressed that somebody in the family

0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.280
<v Speaker 2>really becomes a big star, he becomes a big star.

0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Last night he was all over social media. Uh and

0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.840
<v Speaker 2>uh and just I thought he was a really good

0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.160
<v Speaker 2>big brother in this process.

0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:29.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally was.

0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Let's jump into it, Ashley. I'll let you take it away.

0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:47.320
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's talk about you just said that. You know,

0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.080
<v Speaker 3>there were doubts. I don't even believe that their word

0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:54.760
<v Speaker 3>outs for Devna during the show, like, not at all. Actually, why,

0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he's that good of like you think

0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:58.000
<v Speaker 3>that he's that good of an actor.

0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's acting. I don't I think acting

0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:01.600
<v Speaker 2>would be the word I would.

0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.399
<v Speaker 3>Say, you think that he was festering doubts in his

0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.680
<v Speaker 3>head before the proposal moment.

0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I guess I don't know. I want

0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.359
<v Speaker 2>to hear why you don't think he was. I think

0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:12.800
<v Speaker 2>there is.

0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.239
<v Speaker 3>Call me swindled, you guy, you know that, That's how

0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.040
<v Speaker 3>I always just fall for it.

0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think what we saw from Devin

0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.360
<v Speaker 2>was this passion and this fight. We kind of saw

0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.840
<v Speaker 2>it all season. I think it was easy to believe

0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.320
<v Speaker 2>that he was head over heels for Jin based on

0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:32.879
<v Speaker 2>the words he was saying and the actions he was giving.

0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:39.040
<v Speaker 2>It's hard for me. I don't think. Actually, I don't

0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:44.439
<v Speaker 2>think Devin truly believed he had doubts until the attention

0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.600
<v Speaker 2>started to come. I think that from in my opinion,

0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:53.200
<v Speaker 2>the tipping point for him existed when the attention from

0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.679
<v Speaker 2>the outside world became so strong that he started to go.

0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:01.200
<v Speaker 2>But there's this girl that looks great on Instagram. I'm

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.400
<v Speaker 2>not that into Gin anymore, you know what. I've never

0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.160
<v Speaker 2>been that into Gin. I had all these questions about Jin.

0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.879
<v Speaker 2>I do think though, he can look back on moments

0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:14.680
<v Speaker 2>during the season where his interaction with Jim made him

0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.520
<v Speaker 2>go huh, maybe this isn't what I thought it was. However,

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I do think at that proposal, and I do think

0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.160
<v Speaker 2>through the last couple of weeks he had zero doubts.

0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I do believe that that's what I mean. Yeah, he's

0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:31.399
<v Speaker 2>creating this story. I mean because it would it's mind

0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.960
<v Speaker 2>boggling to me. I guess, knowing this world and being

0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:35.880
<v Speaker 2>in this world and being the Bachelor at one point

0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.120
<v Speaker 2>in my life, it's mind boggling to me to think

0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:43.440
<v Speaker 2>that you could be getting down on one knee and asking,

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, for this engagement if you had all these

0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.560
<v Speaker 2>doubts swirling in your head. It just feels so much easier.

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.280
<v Speaker 2>And like we said, I would respect it so much

0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.960
<v Speaker 2>more if some of these contestants would just go, you

0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:59.640
<v Speaker 2>know what, like let's date afterwards. Because this whole thing

0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:01.560
<v Speaker 2>has too many questions to me right now, I'm not

0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.000
<v Speaker 2>making sense of it all. It's moving too fast. There's

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 2>been another person involved up until the very end. That

0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:10.960
<v Speaker 2>feels weird to me. That would be I would respect

0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that decision, and I would not be mad about watching

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:14.920
<v Speaker 2>a season that ended that way.

0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Same.

0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 2>I think, however, I do think that there is this

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.119
<v Speaker 2>pressure and I'm not trying to give Devin out here

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 2>because I have a lot of things to say about Devon,

0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 2>But I do think in this specific situation, there is

0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.280
<v Speaker 2>this pressure that exists when you're on the show to

0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.680
<v Speaker 2>end in a proposal, and sometimes that pressure can become

0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:42.440
<v Speaker 2>so much that it clouds rational thinking.

0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that he when he was gonna leave

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.400
<v Speaker 3>last week because the pressure of like not being chosen

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:51.320
<v Speaker 3>was getting to be too much and he just didn't

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:53.159
<v Speaker 3>want to like not be chosen. Do you think that

0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.040
<v Speaker 3>was him trying to get out?

0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:58.240
<v Speaker 2>It could be.

0:22:58.240 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 3>In hindsight, I don't know.

0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:00.760
<v Speaker 2>I still think so.

0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:02.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of playing Devil's advocate here. I don't think

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.119
<v Speaker 3>that was the situation, but it's interesting to think of it.

0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 2>It could be. I do think it showed his lack

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 2>of desire to fight for this relationship.

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:14.439
<v Speaker 3>I know.

0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:17.639
<v Speaker 2>I think that was definitely proven.

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 3>I just can't believe him. I can't believe I've been

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.479
<v Speaker 3>I woke up in the middle of the night like

0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.000
<v Speaker 3>thinking that it was like a dream. I was like,

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:32.720
<v Speaker 3>he did that. I can't believe he did that. I

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 3>feel as swindled by him as she she well, obviously

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:38.960
<v Speaker 3>she feels more. But I feel like we all feel

0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 3>like he pulled the wole over his eyes, pulled the

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.680
<v Speaker 3>wole over our eyes because at the beginning of the season,

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:49.400
<v Speaker 3>even from his bio, we were like suspect of this guy,

0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:54.200
<v Speaker 3>and then he made us love him and now and

0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 3>now he just proves to be the guy that we

0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 3>should have always been skeptical of.

0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.960
<v Speaker 2>See, it's intra for me because, as I said earlier,

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.560
<v Speaker 2>none of these guys ever really did it for me

0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:07.239
<v Speaker 2>in terms of, Oh, I see them with her at

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:09.919
<v Speaker 2>the end, and I'm really like supportive of Even if

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 2>they would have got engaged I and like stayed together,

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I think I've already I would always been like yeah,

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 2>but like it's he's not that tight like he he

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:23.679
<v Speaker 2>had a He had a really weird storyline this season.

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 2>The reason he was around long, like for as long

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:28.719
<v Speaker 2>as he was was because at first he was like

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:32.520
<v Speaker 2>very intent on spending time with Jin and making sure

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 2>she knew he was into her. It's shocking to me

0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:39.160
<v Speaker 2>that he even made it past the fourth week because

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:40.640
<v Speaker 2>it felt like to me, he was one of those

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:44.639
<v Speaker 2>characters that we was gonna like try so hard and

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 2>be so thankful for being there. And kind of cause

0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 2>this weird controversy inside the house and then she was

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna let him go. It's it. I never expected him

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to be there past the fourth fifth week.

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 3>That's why I thought it was kind of cool. Then

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.920
<v Speaker 3>it was kind of cool to me to just see somebody,

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I can't Yes, it was the ultimate

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:09.680
<v Speaker 3>underdog story. When he was like looking for the rings, yeah,

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:13.239
<v Speaker 3>for all the one down, I was like, this is

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:17.119
<v Speaker 3>so cool, Like who would have ever thought.

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe it could be the underdog story. I do

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 2>think it was ultimately an underdog story, and I think

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 2>with that in perspective, it gives me my opinion on

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Devin at this point was he is the underdog. I

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 2>remember this scene early in the season that made Nick

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 2>that was so relatable where all the guys I think

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 2>it was during the strip tease date and he said,

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not like all these guys. They're all

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.280
<v Speaker 2>like super strong and buff, and like I'm not and

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:49.879
<v Speaker 2>I have hair and all this stuff, and it was like,

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 2>that's a like, that's actually a really cool moment and

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 2>a really funny fun thing for you to say, and

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a relatable thing for you to say. I think

0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 2>for up to that point, it was still his mindset

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>was I'm just lucky to be here. Jen is so amazing,

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm so lucky to have her in my life. I'm

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 2>so interested in what is to come. I don't think

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 2>he's used to a lot of attention. I don't think

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>he's used to a lot of people being like Devin

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 2>hit me up. Yeah, And as soon as that started

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to happen, his mindset changed. His ego got in the

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 2>way of the truth or of who he is as

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 2>a person. Do I hope he comes back to that someday.

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 2>I do. I hope that he comes back to this,

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 2>not like, hey, I'm so I'm down on myself all

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 2>the time type of person. But I do think he

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 2>comes back to the to some reality where he's like,

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm you know what, I'm lucky to be here, still

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 2>like I'm fortunate to have a spot on this whole show.

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 2>And it changed as soon as attentionion started to come

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>to him. It's obvious, right, It's why he started to

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>reach out. It's why probably the clubbing existed, It's why

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Jen was so upset about the club being because you

0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 2>know what happens Ashley happens every season no matter who

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 2>it is. The contestants get together if you're with the

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 2>person or not, and people who have been eliminated from

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the show still have most of the time, some like

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 2>anger towards the lead who eliminated them for whatever reason,

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.160
<v Speaker 2>or they're just like they've moved on, and in their

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:21.119
<v Speaker 2>mind they tell themselves this story that you know what,

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm so much better off without him or her because

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 2>now I'm going clubbing and I get all this attention,

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I get this bottle service, and I get like hit

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>up all the time, and like life's so much better

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't end up with that person on the show.

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 2>And they honestly kind of just talk smack amongst each other.

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 2>That group chat talk smack against the lead. It's their

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>common enemy. It's the common thing that brings them together

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.440
<v Speaker 2>where they're just you know, they laugh and make fun

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of the lead. So Devin goes clubbing with other contestants

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 2>from the show. What do you think is happening That

0:27:56.480 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Jen knows is happening. She knows she's not stupid by

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 2>any means, She's not stupid. She knows that Devin goes

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 2>clubbing with Jeremy and yes it's for climbing whatever. I

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 2>don't care. That part doesn't matter to me.

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 3>The club part was for client meaning, and.

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:18.199
<v Speaker 2>She knows that Devin is getting infiltrated with kind of

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:24.360
<v Speaker 2>not hate speech, but just this anger towards Jen. And

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 2>these guys are probably rallying around being like, Devin, look

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 2>at our life like kind of sucks you with gin right, like,

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>look at what we get to do?

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Yo. I'm not in a man's brain, but I don't

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 3>understand why you'd want anything or anyone besides Jen in

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 3>that relationship.

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that he should have, I think at

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 2>some point in his life to look back and be like, gosh, dang,

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I made the mistake. Like I had an amazing person

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>with me, that was committed to me, that wanted me,

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 2>that wanted to grow old with me, and I couldn't

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 2>get out of my own way to think, Hey, could

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I settle down. I'm not saying set a lean. I'm

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 2>saying set down to take that life of the clubbing

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>and the friends and the attention out of it, totally

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 2>separate myself from it because I have this person that

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I've dreamed of and that I've wanted I think when

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Devin started this show, he dreamed of and wanted and

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 2>believed he wanted one person. I think the attention caused

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 2>him to think, goodness, gracious, life is so much better.

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>On the other.

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Side, there's so many guys in bachelorette past that like

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 3>just look at them as examples as to like, this

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 3>plan that you have now or that you had the

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 3>before last night is just not going to pan out

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 3>the way that you think it's going to. People want

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 3>girls find it. Girls like we want you to be

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 3>with the lead. We want you to have a happy,

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 3>you know ending, and there's nothing attractive about what you did.

0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 3>These girls are not going to want to be with you.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:29:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 3>You might get a few dms that want to, but like,

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 3>you've just disgusted ninety nine percent of these girls, and

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 3>now you're gonna have You're gonna be walking around with

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 3>a big red flag. You have a that scarlet letter

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 3>on you now because of what you did to Jen.

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Let's yeah, the truth is this, and we would tell

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>any contestant, And you're right, there's great examples of this

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 2>in the past. You can talk to people who've gone

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 2>through that season of life and came out of that

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 2>season of life and have gone goodness gracious, like that

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 2>was not a fun season. I hit my ultimate low

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and now I had to rebuild and reheal and try

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 2>to figure out how to build something different for myself.

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of it.

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 3>You're never going to get away with it, you know

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 3>what I mean, Like, you're gonna get caught.

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get caught.

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Hence me saying I have a friend who's DMS. You

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 3>already slid into.

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not a it's not a healthy path. It's

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 2>it's if I don't I'm not want to give advice,

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 2>but I would say this is a very clear, by

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>if history tells us anything, very clear path that does

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 2>not lead to joy fulfillment, love and hope. It leads

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 2>to a lot of like really lonely times. And that

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>comes from you know, experience, and so this is this

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>is a decision that feels best in the moment. It's

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 2>a decision made without understanding what this looks like in

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 2>two three years. I'm sure they'll get a lot of attention.

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we'll see on Instagram for the next four

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 2>or five months, these guys going to the clubs, going

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>to the bars, going to different events together, posting pictures

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 2>of each other, and I'm sure it's going to look

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 2>like the best time ever, But that time fades, and

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 2>what happens when it fades? You're left at the end

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 2>going could have done it so much better? So you

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 2>know what? To summarize all of this about Devin specifically,

0:31:58.160 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I think if I was to talk to him on

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 2>this show show or talk to him on the phone,

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I would say, I think you made a really bad

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>decision based on what felt best in the moment and

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 2>not based on what you've always dreamed, desired and cared about.

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I'm just saying appearance wise, if you were

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 3>caught like I don't think, I don't condone this idea.

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 3>But if you really were caught up with your ego

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 3>and wanting all the girls that were falling go on Instagram,

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 3>and you wanted to go clubbing in New York, and

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 3>you wanted to have all that like female attention, and

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 3>you wanted to play this right, you would stick with

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Jen for quite some time, make everything look wonderful and romantic,

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 3>and then you guys could break up later.

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean give him credit for the authenticity least

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, he didn't any long dumb moves.

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 3>Lots of lots of dumb moves. But I'm sorry to

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 3>even say that out loud, but like all the moves

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 3>that he made were awful, and he deserves the consequences

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 3>of the move that he did make.

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I actually felt like last night he didn't come off

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 2>as bad as what they potentially could have. I thought

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Jin was respectful to not air all the dirty laundry

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 2>because I think she has enough receipts to probably like

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>make him look pretty bad right now. And I think

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 2>she held a lot in for the sake of, you know,

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>respect at any level. Yet Yeah, and it felt like

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the stuff she was saying was not

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>exactly digging into the details of the situation because she

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>knew the details were really ugly. And I think he

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 2>kept bringing up like excuses, and I think every time

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 2>she looked at him, like do you really want to

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 2>make use that excuse? Because I have more information, you know,

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 2>that I could share, and you know I do.

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he kind of kept his mouth shut a little

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 3>bit because he just kept saying I'm sorry, like I'm well,

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 3>like you know, I'm sorry. He never like was like

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 3>Jen but this you did this, It was not that

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 3>he did keep saying like it was my bad, it

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 3>was my bad.

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he didn't. He didn't say much. He knew he

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't have much. He didn't have.

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.919
<v Speaker 3>I watched it again, honestly because I was like, did

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 3>he explain why?

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 2>He is no explanation. His explanation would make him look

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 2>so much worse than what last night did. His explanation

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 2>has to be Yeah, I started getting these dms, I

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 2>got a lot of attention and yeah, you know what,

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 2>like I moved on and it would make him look worse.

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.320
<v Speaker 2>So he didn't have He knows he didn't have any

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 2>way out of this, and I honestly think this night

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 2>last night was haunting him for a long time. I

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.319
<v Speaker 2>like how he says he didn't have to be there.

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Of course he does. It's contractual. There's no way he

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 2>wasn't showing up to that thing. Yeah, either le he

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>loses his entire net worth or he shows up to

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 2>a live event. So I love that he's like, I

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to I just want to check in and

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 2>make sure you're okay. That's bs, we all know it.

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 3>But he's going to make sure you're Okay, so I

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:24.840
<v Speaker 3>decided to do it right here live on stage.

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>He's been dreading this moment for a long time. I

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 2>think for him, he thinks he just had to get

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 2>through last night and then this all calms down.

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 3>She was very nice on her Instagram saying like, don't

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 3>spread hate it, like don't go to his profile and

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 3>say many things like you know, that's just not good

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 3>energy to put out there in the world.

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Now, the truth is, Jen is gonna shine. She's going

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 2>to come off of this thing. We're going to talk

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:48.959
<v Speaker 2>about some of the stuff that's already been announced for her,

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 2>and then in the upcoming feature, She's gonna shine. She's

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>going to be a star. She's going to get all

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the attention that all these guys have always wanted. And

0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 2>they're going to slowly fade often too the distance and

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 2>go back to the normal lives, which is a great thing.

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:04.800
<v Speaker 2>But I hope when they go back to their normal lives,

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 2>they can actually go back to a normal life and

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 2>not walk down the street like we know some have

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 2>that has a shirt that says, yes, I was on

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 2>the Bachelorette, you know, and make sure that everybody knows.

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 2>But at one point in my life. I was on

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 2>this random television show with thirty other people and chosen

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 2>and so you should give me a lot of attention

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 2>for it. I hope none of them do that. It's

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>a really bad way. It ends up not ending well.

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 3>But Ben, we have to talk about the proposal, her

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 3>decision to propose, and then their decision to error the

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:36.879
<v Speaker 3>way that they did.

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>No, one hundred percent, let's talk about the the worst

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 2>treatment of a lead that's ever been done on the show.

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 3>In my opinion, wasn't there one other moment that we

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.439
<v Speaker 3>felt was very similar a couple of seasons ago.

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 2>We've had many moments where the show has kind of

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:57.720
<v Speaker 2>exploited the pains of the lead for their you know, gain,

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>or for the social media part. Night was in my opinion,

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>at least to my memory. My note was, this has

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:08.959
<v Speaker 2>to be the worst treatment of a lead of all time.

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:14.799
<v Speaker 2>It felt unnecessary. One like unnecessary. That's like some of

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 2>the times when the lead has had to sit through

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>some awkward moments on national television. We can make an

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 2>argument for why it was necessary. Either it cleans up

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.840
<v Speaker 2>a story, it solves a story, It fills some gaps,

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 2>it speaks to maybe some hate that they've been receiving,

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and the general public maybe doesn't know why this last

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 2>night was unnecessary at every level. It could have been

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 2>done in a thousand I could come up right now

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:44.440
<v Speaker 2>as somebody doesn't get paid to produce, nor should I

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 2>ever get paid to produce a thousand different ways that

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 2>still creates a story, that still creates buzz, but doesn't

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 2>put her through something completely cruel and unnecessary, because that's

0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 2>all it was. The whole time.

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:04.280
<v Speaker 3>This watching this, it felt like I was watching unreal.

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 3>Remember the Lifetime show that was like basically the you know,

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:10.800
<v Speaker 3>the behind the scenes.

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 2>The dramatization of the Bachelor was what that was.

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it felt like a parody of the Bachelor. And

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 3>then I was like, oh, it was actually unreal, Like

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 3>you could almost hear the producers in the back room

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 3>feeding lines to Jesse because Jesse also to me and

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:31.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, Jesse, it sounded like he was reading for

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 3>a script.

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we both like Jesse. We both feel

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:37.839
<v Speaker 2>like he's done as well as he can filling in

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 2>and now kind of having the show as his There's

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.919
<v Speaker 2>no issue with Jesse here. What I said last night

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 2>and my very uneducated opinion is Jesse's very busy right now.

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 2>It's college football season. Jesse is flying in and out

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and mostly focusing on college football because that's now his

0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>job for the next few months. It's always been his

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:03.399
<v Speaker 2>j It felt like last night Joey or Jesse showed

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.839
<v Speaker 2>up to the Live show to go through rehearsals, and

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 2>he heard about this thing happening, and he wasn't on

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.680
<v Speaker 2>top of it enough to put a foot in the

0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 2>ground and be like, I'm not doing it, because he

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 2>does have that ability he does. Instead, it felt like

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:20.839
<v Speaker 2>he was just like, Okay, I gotta do that. Fine,

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:24.280
<v Speaker 2>let's do it. Goes through the whole thing, everything happens,

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 2>and then he gets in that moment and he's like, crap,

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm unprepared for this. I don't know what to say

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 2>during this moment. So I'm just gonna say the same

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 2>thing a couple times over to try to make it

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 2>seem like we care or that I care.

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 3>But like the caring seems so insincere from him. It

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.799
<v Speaker 3>felt like he was getting words from the earpiece. Well

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 3>it maybe gets you think he was Basically I think

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 3>he was.

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 2>I think he was unprepared. I don't think he had

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 2>been involved in the last few months enough in this

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 2>show to know exactly the tone, or to know exactly

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 2>what was happening, or to hear how the updates were,

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 2>or to actually listen to how Jen was feeling. Jen

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:08.440
<v Speaker 2>was sitting up there saying, I am crushed, like I

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:12.359
<v Speaker 2>am like right now, I'm at my lowest point. I'm

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 2>bawling on national television. Jesse, do you ever think I

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:17.879
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do this? Do you ever think I wanted

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 2>to wear this nice dress, put this makeup on, have

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 2>this incredible season, go through all this experience and sit

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:26.320
<v Speaker 2>up here and cry for twenty minutes with you? No,

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 2>So please, please, Jesse, as a lead, as somebody had

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 2>sat with you and had dinner, as a friend of yours,

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:35.280
<v Speaker 2>is somebody who's trusted you, because in this whole experience,

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 2>there's very little people to trust. Please, Jesse, don't put

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>me through this. I'm already sad, I'm already crushed. I

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 2>have nothing else to give you. And if Jesse wanted to,

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 2>as I said, if he was prepared for this, he

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>would have said, you know what, Jin, I don't care

0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 2>what the show thinks. You walk off the stage here,

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>you go backstage. We're gonna watch a finale, and we're

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna make Devon sit out here and watch it with us.

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna make Devon sit on this couch alone, and

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:10.320
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have a camera on the whole freaking time.

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.920
<v Speaker 2>And Jen, you go back and you heal and maybe

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 2>if you're okay after the finale, come back out when

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Devon's not here, and just like, say your last five

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 2>minutes to the audience of what this experience meant to you?

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm, Yeah, his transition from you are a strong woman,

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 3>and you made your choices and you grew from this

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 3>and we are all in, all of you. Now it's

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 3>time to watch your oposal. Do you want to watch

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 3>your proposal? To prove to yourself how strong you are

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:43.399
<v Speaker 3>and how you know what a what a woman you are?

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh that I know I didn't have all the right

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 3>words there in remembering what he said, but it was

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 3>something like that, and just the transition from like, you

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 3>are so powerful, are you ready for us to play

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 3>this thing that like you never want to see? And

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 3>then I love the fact that she said, do I

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 3>really have a choice in this?

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I love the respect and the build up for

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 2>you've made strong choices, you were powerful, you've done it

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 2>your way. And then for that moment, for heard be like,

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I see this, you've said all these things about me.

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 2>And I think she laughed because I think in the

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 2>background she's like, I've I was prepared for this, I've

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>heard this was happening. I said I didn't want to

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 2>do it. I said I wouldn't come out here even

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>if you were going to do this. And now I

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 2>sit here on live television, live TV. Yeah, and I'm

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 2>going to tell you right now, I don't have a choice.

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 2>So you've respected my choices, you've praised me for making

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 2>good choices or making my choices, and now, in the

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.720
<v Speaker 2>moment that matters the most, you're not giving me a choice.

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:45.480
<v Speaker 3>It was subtle in the fact that like, I don't

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 3>know that, Like a lot of people thought it was

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 3>as big of a deal that she said that as

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 3>it was for us to hear. But it was a

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.799
<v Speaker 3>big deal because there's moments where you get like caught

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 3>and you're just like I don't want to do this

0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 3>and I can't believe this is about to happen. But

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 3>here we go, like this is the nail on the coffin,

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 3>and yeah, it would have been like why there are

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 3>so many things. First off, they should have just aired

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 3>the proposal the way that they normally would have aired

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 3>the proposal, right after, you know, they picked out the rings,

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:19.360
<v Speaker 3>and then they could have sat down and it just

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:23.520
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have been nearly as cruel. They did this weird

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 3>thing where they were gonna where he was like, you know,

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 3>we can't air this until after we talked to her.

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 3>Was all it was, was like, we're just going to

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 3>be extra cruel. Nobody in the audience saw that was

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 3>a good move or that was a move that was

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 3>going to make them feel more. We don't need to

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:45.280
<v Speaker 3>feel more. We don't need to feel more devastated for her.

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:48.920
<v Speaker 3>She doesn't need to feel more devastated for herself or embarrassed.

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely the weirdest. I don't know what was going

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.560
<v Speaker 3>through their mind when they decided to do it like that.

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 3>It would have been fine and very typical honestly to

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 3>show a proposal and then to show the couple nots

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 3>together and the live portion.

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 2>One thing I think this moment does show us is

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:15.360
<v Speaker 2>the realness of the show, and I think the audience members,

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:19.719
<v Speaker 2>the people that view it need to understand and we

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 2>need to understand that there is a realness to this show,

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that these are real people. They're not actors who are

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 2>experiencing real emotions. For Jin, in this moment, this was

0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 2>a very real moment. She thought she had found her

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.720
<v Speaker 2>forever love. She thought she had found a guy who

0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:39.280
<v Speaker 2>was going to stay with her and fight for her

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.319
<v Speaker 2>and stick beside her through all of this mess. We're

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.879
<v Speaker 2>seeing her emotion come out, and we're seeing her breakdown

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.720
<v Speaker 2>and really have to relive a breakup that she still

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:53.720
<v Speaker 2>sounded like she still has a lot of questions about.

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>And that was very short and so I think it

0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:59.720
<v Speaker 2>does show for us the realness of the show. For

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 2>some people, I don't think this show is ever real.

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 2>For Devin, I think it was made for a few weeks,

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 2>I guess, But I don't think since the proposal and

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 2>since you know, he got distracted and he started to

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>believe this story that wasn't you know, reality, and that

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 2>is not long lasting and that is not sustainable. I

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 2>think for the last few months, this show has been

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 2>a stepping stone for him to go to whatever he

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 2>thinks he's going to. For Jen, She's at her stepping stone.

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.640
<v Speaker 2>She is a star, she was a lead, she made

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 2>it through it, she navigated the process, she stayed with

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 2>it the whole time, and now she sits there at

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:39.399
<v Speaker 2>the end of this broken and I think for her

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:41.799
<v Speaker 2>this has always been very real, and so I think

0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:45.760
<v Speaker 2>as a viewer we need to understand that her emotions

0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 2>that we saw on that stage are her real emotions

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:52.399
<v Speaker 2>that she felt through this process. I also think Jen

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 2>was probably told to keep ABC happy by doing this

0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 2>rewatch of the proposal, because you know she's announced with

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Dancing with the Stars.

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 3>Is that this morning? Did that happen this morning?

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I believe so. I've been in those situations before, right,

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.360
<v Speaker 2>I was told I can't do Dancing with the Stars

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 2>because I wasn't doing everything to keep everybody happy. I

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:18.839
<v Speaker 2>know that she is now, probably and she should be.

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:22.719
<v Speaker 2>She's looking what's next, because this whole thing sucked. This

0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:24.919
<v Speaker 2>whole thing then it ended like I wanted to. I've

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 2>now bought on national television, which I don't think anybody's

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:32.479
<v Speaker 2>judging her for or criticizing her for. But she's now saying, hey,

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm moved on, and if I want something good to

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 2>come from this. Maybe it's Dancing with the Stars. They've

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 2>offered it to me. I know All'll have to do

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 2>is sit through this thing. Then I as much as

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 2>that sucks, and so I'm going to do it. So

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't really have a choice, is what she's saying.

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I want to transition though, because I do think this

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 2>was unnecessary and cruel, and I do think there was

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 2>a thousand other ways they could have done it. I

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 2>do think that last night's finale, the whole time I

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 2>watched this, it was unrecognizable to me. The show has

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.239
<v Speaker 2>made a lot of mistakes. The show has done a

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of things that have turned people off. Leads have

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 2>said things that have made people critical. Contestants have done

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 2>things that have made people upset. I think last night

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 2>and the way that they made their lead, their person

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.280
<v Speaker 2>who has devoted so much time. And I know people

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 2>think that she made a million bucks from this thing.

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 2>She didn't. I can tell you the amount of money

0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 2>that you make being the lead, at least in my day,

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:46.200
<v Speaker 2>isn't really even an annual salary for most people. So

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 2>she's not getting paid fat cash to do this thing.

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:51.800
<v Speaker 2>So don't ever think that's a part of the equation

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 2>last night was so like, it was so clear of

0:47:57.600 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 2>what the show wanted to get out of that moment,

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:05.279
<v Speaker 2>and it felt so intentionally cruel to me and so

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 2>intentionally vindictive, almost towards Gin that it was unrecognizable to

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:13.680
<v Speaker 2>me in all of my years of being a part

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:14.120
<v Speaker 2>of the show.

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:17.360
<v Speaker 3>That's why I'm saying it felt like unreal because it's unreal.

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Was basically like everybody would say to me, is that

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:24.040
<v Speaker 3>the show for real? Is that show for real? And

0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:26.279
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, oh no, it is like it is

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 3>like The Bachelor, but like on crack, Like it is

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 3>like the most over the top version that they come

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 3>up with it. It is like it is a parody

0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 3>of it. Yeah, that's why last night it was wild

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:41.799
<v Speaker 3>to see something that seemed as if like it was

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:46.360
<v Speaker 3>a It just seemed to be so over the top.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't know why they would ever think that

0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 3>was a good move, because no one is asking for

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 3>that drama. Nobody is asking to watch somebody be ruined.

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't understand. I really don't understand what

0:48:58.680 --> 0:48:59.520
<v Speaker 3>was going through their heads.

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Let's dive into the unrecognizable part as we close out

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 2>this thought, you're confused on what's going on in their heads.

0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 2>The producers heads. I think for them, they knew this

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 2>would be talked about. They knew we'd get on the

0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:13.799
<v Speaker 2>show today though almost famous podcast and talk about this moment.

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:16.839
<v Speaker 2>They knew social media would keep this thing, you know,

0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 2>trending and going because of last night's moment. There is

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 2>a level that I think is beneficial to the show,

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 2>even if it's bad press, because it gets people talking,

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:32.399
<v Speaker 2>it keeps the brand in their minds, it keeps them

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:36.080
<v Speaker 2>angry and upset. And I do think they think, I

0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:38.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's true or not, that people will

0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 2>tune in to the next season and to the next

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 2>thing because they heard about it last season. So I

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 2>do too. I'm not agreeing with that thought process. I

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot of other ways they could have

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:53.520
<v Speaker 2>done this, and I think they already had their storyline,

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 2>and I think people were already going to talk about

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.280
<v Speaker 2>it with or without that moment. This whole thing goes

0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:01.480
<v Speaker 2>down a lot better if they don't have that moment

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 2>on camera.

0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:05.720
<v Speaker 3>Because then it makes it seem like it's a show

0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:07.960
<v Speaker 3>like you've been not you and I've been saying it

0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:10.880
<v Speaker 3>just seems to me to be like Transparent, in which

0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 3>like there's so much tampering with the storyline and there's

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:18.080
<v Speaker 3>so much manipulation going on behind the scenes that people

0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:19.920
<v Speaker 3>are just gonna be like, Oh, this show's fake. Anyway,

0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:21.799
<v Speaker 3>this show is that it's a fake show, and this

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:23.400
<v Speaker 3>has made it seem like it was more of a

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.319
<v Speaker 3>fake show because their puppet strings showed so much.

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:30.440
<v Speaker 2>We know only one executive producer still left on the

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:31.280
<v Speaker 2>show from our.

0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Time are personally, yeah, we personally.

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:37.959
<v Speaker 2>We personally only know one executive producer. I am going

0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 2>to be shocked and he listens to this show. This

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 2>did not come from him, There's no way. And if

0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:48.279
<v Speaker 2>it did, like I would be so confused because this

0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 2>is not This is not who he is. I know,

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:53.279
<v Speaker 2>it's not who he wants to be, and it's not

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 2>what drives him to continue to produce this show.

0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 3>This is the least him.

0:50:57.719 --> 0:50:59.920
<v Speaker 2>This had to come up from somewhere else. In fact,

0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:02.480
<v Speaker 2>it had to come from somebody that, like, we don't

0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:04.919
<v Speaker 2>know because in all the people that we know, and hey,

0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I will never tell you that producing The Bachelor is

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 2>like the most value based job that their morals and

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 2>their character are intact the whole time. I will tell

0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:18.360
<v Speaker 2>you that manipulation happens, that there is always the storyline

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 2>that's being created. I will tell you that the people

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.839
<v Speaker 2>that produce the show aren't terrible people. I like them

0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:27.280
<v Speaker 2>most of them, some of them, But being a producer

0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:29.399
<v Speaker 2>on the show is not the like, not the most

0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:34.879
<v Speaker 2>fulfilling job. However, the show has always had empathy, It's

0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:38.880
<v Speaker 2>always had a line it doesn't cross. It's always respected

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.959
<v Speaker 2>and treated the lead with the utmost respect and tried

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:44.799
<v Speaker 2>to protect them if they could, and they have to

0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 2>take away from the story being created. Last night was

0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:52.560
<v Speaker 2>unrecognizable to me because there's no way that anybody that

0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 2>I know that worked on that show said, yes, this

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:57.919
<v Speaker 2>is the good idea, Yes this is what the show

0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 2>is about. Yes this is what our audience wants. It

0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.240
<v Speaker 2>feels like they just took twenty steps back.

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and where was the new We'll say this, there

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:11.719
<v Speaker 3>was a new staff, a new like t number, a

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:15.320
<v Speaker 3>number of new like head haun Jos came in about

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.960
<v Speaker 3>a year or so ago, and it left a lot

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:21.880
<v Speaker 3>of the people that Ben and I were close to

0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:26.000
<v Speaker 3>during our time in the show either like it drove

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 3>them to want to not be there anymore. And I

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:33.680
<v Speaker 3>feel like this moment is going to kind of like

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.440
<v Speaker 3>clear out everybody else that you and I were friends with.

0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've had people out, you know, come off the

0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:43.040
<v Speaker 2>show as producers now and spoken you know, publicly about

0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.720
<v Speaker 2>why they left the show and what you know reason

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 2>they gave to leave the show, and all those reasonings

0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:50.840
<v Speaker 2>make sense. These people do have a line they don't cross.

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:53.799
<v Speaker 2>They're not like these evil geniuses sitting in a room

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:55.800
<v Speaker 2>being like, how are you going to destroy this person?

0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:58.440
<v Speaker 2>This person, this person. It's not what they They have

0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:03.239
<v Speaker 2>families like they're they have families, they're married, they have friendships.

0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:09.720
<v Speaker 2>They don't like love pain, and last night this moment,

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.120
<v Speaker 2>the only thing that came out of it was pain

0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:16.880
<v Speaker 2>for gin and I think pain for the viewers to

0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:19.600
<v Speaker 2>be like, how in the world am I gonna waste

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:24.719
<v Speaker 2>this much of my time watching somebody just hurt and

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>suffer And then we're gonna make them suffer a little more.

0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:30.680
<v Speaker 2>We're just gonna make it. We're gonna watch them in

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.960
<v Speaker 2>one of the most like brutal moments of their life

0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 2>to their memory, We're gonna make sure we focus in

0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:39.440
<v Speaker 2>on it. There was no reason for it, completely unnecessary,

0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:44.240
<v Speaker 2>something that I am very much against personally. I watched

0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Gin last night as our first Asian bachelorette have the

0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:52.960
<v Speaker 2>courage to say yes to this role and step out

0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:56.600
<v Speaker 2>into that role and to do this role. I also

0:53:56.719 --> 0:54:02.319
<v Speaker 2>saw her get incredibly taken Itajeo on her last five

0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 2>minutes of television, really for this show, and you know

0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 2>what they did for me. You know what they did

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.400
<v Speaker 2>for me in my last five minutes of television. What

0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:13.319
<v Speaker 2>they gave me the stage and they said, Ben, say

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.440
<v Speaker 2>what you want to say. They gave me that space.

0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:18.160
<v Speaker 2>So I got to stand up there and say, hey,

0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:19.799
<v Speaker 2>I know this is my fifteen minutes of fame. I

0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:22.800
<v Speaker 2>just appreciate the time and the you know, the courtesy

0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:25.759
<v Speaker 2>of watching me and supporting me and doing this thing

0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:27.840
<v Speaker 2>with me. You know how different that is than what

0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 2>they did the GIN so unnecessary. They could have done

0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:31.360
<v Speaker 2>it so much better.

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:34.440
<v Speaker 3>World apart that again, not just keep bringing it back

0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.160
<v Speaker 3>to the show unreal that hasn't been on the air

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:39.720
<v Speaker 3>for real, like at least five years. But the characters

0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 3>that show, they made it feel like the producers were

0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:47.560
<v Speaker 3>truly soulless, like they had absolutely no character that they

0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:51.920
<v Speaker 3>were evil people that wanted to make people destroy it

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.319
<v Speaker 3>and cry. And that's what it felt like last night.

0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.480
<v Speaker 3>And that's just not who the people that the few

0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:00.960
<v Speaker 3>people that we were that we know that remain there,

0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:02.880
<v Speaker 3>just it doesn't feel a character for them. And I

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.520
<v Speaker 3>just know it wasn't wasn't them, No, it wasn't them.

0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 2>It's very very hard ending to a really great season.

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Jen did a great job as a bachelorette. It was

0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 2>an enjoyable season to watch for the most part.

0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:18.960
<v Speaker 3>How absolutely weird was it also that they were like, well,

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:22.080
<v Speaker 3>as this girl cries on the couch next us, we're

0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:24.880
<v Speaker 3>going to bring in the Golden Bachelorette. It just like,

0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:27.560
<v Speaker 3>can we just like end the show, like, let's not

0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:30.280
<v Speaker 3>change the tone now. It was so weird.

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 2>It's very weird. Well, social media is talking about it

0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:36.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like many people that we that I follow

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:41.319
<v Speaker 2>are didn't. They didn't enjoy last night. I assuming the

0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:44.920
<v Speaker 2>this is a brand new conflict the show's opened up

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:48.560
<v Speaker 2>for them, so themselves. They did to themselves. There is

0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:50.719
<v Speaker 2>no other excuse other than the fact that they said

0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 2>yes to a decision last night that will ultimately I

0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:57.080
<v Speaker 2>think hurts the show not only to its current viewers

0:55:57.080 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 2>but potential viewers in the future. But I will say

0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 2>the same sentiments that Jesse said, Jin as our bachelor

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:09.799
<v Speaker 2>at you did great, Thanks for letting us watch you

0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:13.880
<v Speaker 2>from almost from his podcast, whatever's next for you? We

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:15.719
<v Speaker 2>hope it's a lot better than what last night was.

0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:19.839
<v Speaker 2>And we know and believe, just based on who you are,

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:23.640
<v Speaker 2>that the future is very bright. It's only up from

0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:26.760
<v Speaker 2>here because the show made sure last night it only

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:30.600
<v Speaker 2>went down. So Jin, best of luck, continue to be you.

0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:35.759
<v Speaker 2>That's been another season of The Bachelorette that we've broken down. Obviously,

0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 2>our thoughts are our own, they're not anybody else's, but

0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:42.920
<v Speaker 2>they feel like they're the mast majority of viewership. So

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:45.360
<v Speaker 2>if you disagree with us, let us know. If you

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:48.640
<v Speaker 2>loved watching Jen cry on national television last night as

0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 2>she had to reminisce and remember her proposal moment, let

0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:54.440
<v Speaker 2>us know that too. I'd love to hear why you

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:58.040
<v Speaker 2>think that. But until next time, as we enter into

0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.120
<v Speaker 2>a short off season, until we get into The Golden Bachelorette,

0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:03.480
<v Speaker 2>which we watched a little preview four last night.

0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 3>I've been Ben, I've been Ashley back guys.

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:11.080
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0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:13.640
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