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Speaker 1: M Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans and this is once

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Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you

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Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in

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Speaker 1: all of history. And today we are talking about a

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Speaker 1: very special, terrible, terrible person, Alex Jones. Now you probably

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Speaker 1: know Alex Jones is a ridiculous hob goblin of a

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Speaker 1: man who spouts conspiracies at the same rate of fire

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Speaker 1: as of Olcan chain gun. He's been banned from Facebook, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: the App Store, and pretty much every other mainstream app

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Speaker 1: that is capable of somehow spreading information. Up until very recently,

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones is considered nothing but a far fringe loon,

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Speaker 1: hardly an important voice in our national discourse. But the sad, weird,

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Speaker 1: almost funny if you can hold back the tears, truth

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Speaker 1: is that Alexander Jones is one of the most influential

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Speaker 1: Americans of the twenty first century. He is an architect

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Speaker 1: of modern conservative media and a pioneer in a field

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Speaker 1: that employs everyone on the podcast today. Speaking of everyone

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Speaker 1: on the podcast today, my guest today are Ben Bowling

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Speaker 1: and No Brown from Ridiculous History. Hey, thanks for having

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Speaker 1: us on the show. Robert thanks, probably so excited to

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Speaker 1: talk about this despicable pustule of a man, and especially

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Speaker 1: because this is uh the second time that the three

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Speaker 1: of us have hung out. You recently appeared on an

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Speaker 1: episode of our show, Yes I did, talking about California's

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Speaker 1: first governor and uh, one of the most famous racists

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Speaker 1: in Oregon history. That was fun, feel good moment everyone. Well,

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Speaker 1: today we will be talking about more racism, but not

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Speaker 1: from a Californian or an Oregonian, actually from from a Texan.

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Speaker 1: So that's fun. You guys excited? Oh man, thrilled. Let's

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Speaker 1: do it all right, Let's let's roll into this. Alexander

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Speaker 1: Emrick Jones was born in Dallas, Texas, in nineteen four.

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Speaker 1: A two thousand eleven Rolling Stone profile describes him as

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Speaker 1: the descendant of two lines of Texas frontiersman. I think

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Speaker 1: this article is one of the first, if not the

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Speaker 1: very first, major publications that devoted a substantial feature to

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Speaker 1: the subject of Mr Jones's life. It takes it amused,

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Speaker 1: slightly mocking, but ultimately quite fon stance towards the infamous

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Speaker 1: searching for the Freudian roots of his crusade. His parents,

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Speaker 1: the manicured suburb of rock Wall. I was an all

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Speaker 1: that's uh, that's what Alex says his background was. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that that seems so far, pretty normal, pretty normal

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Speaker 1: so far. I mean it's it's hard not to read

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Speaker 1: him talking anytime he's quoted and like a Alex Jones

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Speaker 1: of fun. You say, rock Wall? He grew up in

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Speaker 1: rock Wall. Rock Wall, Yeah, which sounds very down home.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a very comforting place to have grown up.

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Speaker 1: Oh um. So rock Wall is a suburb of Dallas,

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Speaker 1: so when when did things go wrong? Well, uh, that's

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Speaker 1: you everything. There's some conflicting stuff here, so oh awesome,

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Speaker 1: here we go. And also, just hey, man, on a

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Speaker 1: personal note, thanks for doing that and saving us from it.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're okay. It wasn't. It's it's finding all

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Speaker 1: like the prototype for all future right wing conspiracy organizations.

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Speaker 1: articles I've read say that Alex Jones's father himself was

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Speaker 1: probably born into a mix of middle class luxury and

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Speaker 1: far right conspiracy theories. Every single deep dive on the

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Speaker 1: a book called none Dare call it conspiracy on his

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Speaker 1: Jones read the book twice. It's still the easiest to read.

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Speaker 1: Primaryanth to the New World Order, he says, So this

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Speaker 1: what's another influential book, the Bible. This is his Bible,

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Speaker 1: as a teenager. When I was sixteen, I didn't want

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Speaker 1: later recalled Jones's first day quote, he just walked into

428
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: the booth, sat down, and started in on a rant

429
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: cold I never saw anything like that, according to BuzzFeed Quote.

430
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: Other early coworkers said that Jones was famous and often disorienting.

431
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: Theatrics have been there from the start. Burke described a

432
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: moment when a caller attacked Jones on air as a

433
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: soft button up to media type. Jones, according to Burke,

434
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: erupted into tears, yelling, my name is Alexander Jones, and

435
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: I played football man and my parents are still married

436
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: and I'm a damned American the color was stunned. A

437
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: coworker recalled, we went to break right after that, and

438
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: he put his head in his hands and is rubbing

439
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: his eyes all sheepish. He turned to me and said,

440
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: was I crying too much? I just turn it on

441
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,959
Speaker 1: sometimes and I don't know how to stop. So wow.

442
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: So he's really in touch with his emotions. Huh. Pretty

443
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: stable guy. Has always been a hallmark of him is

444
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: that he gets super worked up and like, you know,

445
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: that's sort of him saying, look, I'm just like you.

446
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: I feel things I feel deeply. It's an interesting point

447
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: because he said, sometimes I just turn it on, but

448
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: I can't turn it off. So there's an interesting, like

449
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: I guess conflict. They're like, how performative is it? Does

450
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: he start performing? I think he's just a method I

451
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: think he taps into it, like you know, method acting style.

452
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that may have been at

453
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: at first. I think he probably started out having enough

454
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: discretion and self control to tap into it when he

455
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: knew it was appropriate for making the show more compelling

456
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: and drawing viewers or listeners in. And I suspect maybe

457
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: over time he's kind of lost his filter. And lost

458
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: his ability to filter like a sane person would because

459
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: I think gone completely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's my theory.

460
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: So uh, I asked earlier about Alex Jones and what

461
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: he's like in a fight, and it just so happens.

462
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: We have some some data on that. So in nineteen seven,

463
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: another local Austin, UH celebrity known as Space Hitler punched

464
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: Alex Jones right in his face several times. Space Hitler

465
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: real name Clayton Counts, but I'm going to keep calling

466
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: him Space Hitler. Uh yeah. Space Hitler had a habit

467
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: of calling into Alex Jones's public access show and making

468
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Speaker 1: fun of him. His nickname of choy was Jarhead Jones,

469
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: which for some reason Alex Jones hated. Here's how Jones

470
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: described him in the police report that he filed. Quote,

471
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: he has called my home and told me graphically that

472
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: he wants to kill me. I have made a complaint

473
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: when this has happened informally a number of times, and

474
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: we have contacted the FBI. He has harassed many people

475
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: over the past years. His voice is very easy to remember.

476
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: It is I would say a Houston type accent. He

477
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: is very strange looking, he has eyes that look like

478
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: a goats. So it is Space Hitler just a famous

479
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: local troll or did he have his own show too?

480
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: It's just like the Battle of the shock Jocks. What's

481
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: going on? He was just a famous local kind of

482
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: like personality eccentric, And I don't think it's true that

483
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: he threatened to murder Jones at his home. I think

484
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: that's because top bringing in the FBI is classic Alex Jones.

485
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: I think he's exaggerating it. But from what's up with

486
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: the goat though, I have no idea. I've never heard

487
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: anyone describe someone's eyes as being like a goat. Does

488
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: that mean they're really close together a really far apart

489
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: like octopus? Your guess is as good as mine. I've

490
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: seen a lot of days. I have no idea what

491
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: he means. Yeah, So from what I can gather from

492
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: other people's accounts, Space Hitler was definitely harassing Alex Jones,

493
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: although again I don't think he was calling his home

494
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: and threatening to disembowel him. There are a number of

495
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: versions of what happened in the fight between Space Hitler

496
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: and Alex Jones. They pretty much all start when Space

497
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: Hitler and some friends came down by the studio where

498
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Alex was like working at the Public Access television studio

499
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: and we're harassing Jones, and Jones asked them to step

500
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: outside and then pretended to get a gun from his car.

501
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: One of Space Hitler's friends mocked him for this and

502
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: then punched Alex Jones in the face. Now, Charlie Satello,

503
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: who was an employee at the station, says that he

504
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: came out right after Alex got punched, and Alex was

505
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: in a frenzy and going crazy. Uh. Satello tried to

506
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: calm Jones down, and he and Jones got into an argument,

507
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: and then Jones started throwing punches at him. Uh. Satelo says,

508
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: quote Alex tried to fight back, but was throwing punches

509
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: with no form. The guy is no fighter. So Charlie

510
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: Satello claims that the fight only stopped because Alex's dad

511
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: arrived and gave Satello a hundred dollars because Alex had

512
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: bled on his shirt. Um, so that's that's one side

513
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: of the story. That's Space Hitler and Charlie Satello's side

514
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: of the story that they're making fun of Alex. He

515
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: calls them outside and pretends to get a gun to

516
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: scare them, and somebody punches him, and he starts swinging

517
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: wildly at people, and someone tries to calm him down,

518
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: and he starts swinging wildly at that guy too, and

519
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: then his dad comes over and bribes everyone to leave.

520
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: So that's one version of the story. Now there's another

521
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: side of the story, and it's Alex Jones side. Uh,

522
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: And we have the full account of that side because

523
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: we have the police report that Alex Jones wrote after

524
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: the altercation. I will be putting a link to this

525
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: police report up on our website behind the Bastards dot com.

526
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: I recommend reading it because it is it is a

527
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: work of art and belongs in a museum. But I'm

528
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: gonna quote liberally from it here. So in the police report,

529
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: Jones identifies himself as an employee of Castle Dental, which

530
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: I think he means he was working for his dad

531
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: at this time. Jones claims that Space Hitler and his

532
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 1: friends rolled up in a mix of suits and jogging suits. Quote.

533
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: I said, why do you call me at home and

534
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: on the air and say you want to kill me?

535
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: The leader said, yeah, jar head, it is me I'm

536
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: not a dumbass like you. I don't put myself out

537
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: in front. I'm hidden. No one knows who I am.

538
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: I can do what I want and get away with it.

539
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: Twenty two year old Alex Jones then claims that a

540
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: man who was quote a large Latin Anglo mix type

541
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: hit him with no warning. Quote. I did nothing because

542
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: I saw that to his left, the ring leader with

543
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: the strange eyes had a double edged military type killing knife.

544
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: Alex claims, are y'all on board? So far you? Alex

545
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: claims that he tried to run away towards the studio,

546
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: but that the big Latin Anglo mix type band followed him.

547
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: He hit Alex once more, and our hero Alex was

548
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: mournfully forced to defend himself. Where's the killing knife in

549
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: all of this? I'm sorry, the goat eyes has the knife,

550
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: of course, the military The man with the goat eyes

551
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: has the military type killing knife. Yeah, okay. So the

552
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: big Latin Anglo guy runs after Alex and hits him

553
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: once and Alex turns around and defends himself. Quote. I

554
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: hit him in the face. He came forward to hit

555
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: me again, and I hit him one more time. I

556
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: believe he fell to his knees. This is when Alex

557
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: claims that that guy Charlie came out and got into

558
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: a fight with him. Now Alex leaves out anything about

559
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: his dad coming over to stop the fight, and it's

560
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: very unclear what actually happened. The Austin Chronicle says that

561
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: the security footage has long been deleted, but the cops

562
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: apparently saw it and they didn't see anything serious enough

563
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: to take further action. My guess is that this was

564
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: more of a sad schoolyard fist fight type situation than

565
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: the action see Alex Jones recounts. I mean, I guess

566
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: he didn't knock anyone to their knees, but it gives

567
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: some insight into Alex's head and how I think he

568
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: interprets the world. So, yeah, he had to mournfully defend himself.

569
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I I bet at some point he yelled,

570
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: do you know who my dad is? He's dentists. May

571
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: have just yeah, he may have just killed dad. Yeah maybe.

572
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is this is very enlightening. Yeah, Okay,

573
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: so several days after that fight, Alex Jones. Because that

574
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: fight happened in winter of and within between a couple

575
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: of days and a couple of weeks after that point,

576
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: Alex Jones did a Halloween special guest spot on someone

577
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: else's public access television show. So we're gonna watch a

578
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: video of Alex, and for you listeners who aren't seeing

579
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: the video, the link will be up on the site.

580
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: But Alex isn't like a Halloween decorated set. There's a

581
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: severed a fake severed head, and a bucket next to him,

582
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: and he has a fairly small butcher knife that he

583
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: is jabbing a pumpkin with as if he's trying to

584
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: murder it. And he's taking calls. His first caller seems

585
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: to be making fun of him for being on public

586
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: access TV, which is unpaid work, and he asks Alex

587
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: what Alex does for a living. So we're gonna play

588
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: the clip now, I come on public access and hang out.

589
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm on twenty four hours a day, they say, pretty

590
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: pretty close. Well, I can assure you I don't make

591
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: any money off public access. I can guarantee you that. Well,

592
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: you guys have a good one. He appreciate that call.

593
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: Hello call, are you on the air? Yes? House? How

594
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: you done? Pretty good? I was just kind of curious

595
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: if It's true. The police can have laser, laser or

596
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: infrared beams if you if you want to call it,

597
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: and they can project those in. Yeah, the awesome police departments.

598
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: Last time I heard as twenty units. So oh, and

599
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: he still looks for everybody listening, he still looks a

600
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: pretty good Yeah, he looks like a normal human being.

601
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: Like he's clearly got a ship going on. But it's

602
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: fun and you you want to you want to watch.

603
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: So Alex's radio show at KJFK gradually started to pick

604
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: up steam. His coworkers back then describe a man who

605
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: was incapable of turning himself off. When they would all

606
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: hang out at bars, Alex would come over with a

607
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: thick pile of papers and start ranting about globalists or fluoride.

608
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: Matthew Hobbley, who worked at KJFK, told BuzzFeed later quote,

609
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: he'd come over and go into his spiel, and we

610
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: tell him to be cool, and he'd yell, this is

611
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: serious stuff. We'd be like, damn, Alex, it's our day off.

612
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: But he'd go on and on, and by the time

613
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: he was finished, there were papers everywhere. Was he pounding

614
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: shots though? Is he a drinker or was he like

615
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: a teetote I think he's always been a drinker, but

616
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Yeah, it seems like some of

617
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: the stuff comes from the drink, comes from the place

618
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: of drink, And it seems like there's a big need

619
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: for attention as well, you know, like he doesn't seem

620
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: like the kind of person who's comfortable when he's not

621
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: the topic of the conversation or the person speaking. Yeah,

622
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: and that that seems to gel with what he did

623
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: on Public Access because one of the things he was

624
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: famous for was being the guy you could count on

625
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: to do guest spots on your thing if you were

626
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: away for a week or whatever. He really seemed to

627
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: just always want to be on the air, Like that's

628
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: been a gulf with Alex since he was a teenager.

629
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: Really so interesting. He might like the sound of his

630
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: own voice hard to say, uh so yeah. Tragically, Alex's

631
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: radio show was not long for this world. The final

632
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: edition had its final edition in nine when the station

633
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: got bought in. The new management fired Alex for his

634
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: quote inside Terror job stuff. Alex made the best of

635
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: a bad situation and started his own website, info wars

636
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: dot com. He found Tin stations that were willing to

637
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: buy his new show, and he started broadcasting it from home.

638
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: While running his website. He made a documentary called America

639
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: Destroyed by Design, about a world bank takeover of public

640
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: land that Jones assured everyone was imminent. This earned him

641
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Speaker 1: his first celebrity fan, Richard link Letter, who cast him

642
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: as a crazy street profit, and several of his movies,

643
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: including A Scanner Darkly. So you want to see more

644
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: young Alex Jones, you can find him in A Scanner Darkly.

645
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: I just remember Waking Life and that was the first

646
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: time I ever even heard of Alex Jones. He was

647
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: like the crazy, red faced dude in the cab that's

648
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: just like going off. Yeah he's isn't I think he

649
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: is Alex Jones and all of the link Letter movies

650
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 1: he appears in. Yeah. As Alex's fame grew, so did

651
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: his popularity. He made a deal with Midass Horses, a

652
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: syndication outfit that existed to sell gold to crazy people

653
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: or sanity disinclined people. Jones started making money of his own,

654
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: and by July of two thou one, his show was

655
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Speaker 1: on nearly a hundred local affiliate stations across the country.

656
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Speaker 1: On July twenty, Alex Jones made his most successful prediction,

657
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Speaker 1: Please call Congress, tell him we know the government is

658
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: planning terrorism. He referenced the nineteen nine three World Trade

659
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Speaker 1: Center attack and identified Osama Bin Lawton as quote the

660
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: boogeyman they need in this Orwellian phony system. So basically,

661
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: Alex Jones on July predicted that there would be an attack,

662
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Speaker 1: very likely on the World Trade Center, possibly involving planes,

663
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Speaker 1: and he identified Osama Bin Lawton as the person who

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Speaker 1: would be blamed for it. Now, I do want to

665
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Speaker 1: point out right now that his prediction was not entirely accurate,

666
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Speaker 1: and we're going to play a section of that prediction

667
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: that you will not find familiar. We've seen the news

668
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: stories that you've wanted to blow things up, that you

669
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: have blown things job, and that you're saying that four

670
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: million of us are gonna die and we need martial

671
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: law and the associated press. Yeah, so he wasn't right

672
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: about everything, but you got to give a guy credit

673
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,479
Speaker 1: calling in July at an attack like that. It's close

674
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: enough that he was able to make a career off

675
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: of the fact that he predicted the nine eleven attacks

676
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: well surely that like he was able to translate that

677
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: into listeners that would like follow him to the ends

678
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: of the earth, right, And there's also some confirmation bias there,

679
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: I think, because if if people want to believe that

680
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: he's making accurate predictions, it's very easy to ignore all

681
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: the inaccurate predictions he made before that. It's like the

682
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: Nostradamist effect. I mean, not Damas predicted nine eleven, you guys,

683
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Speaker 1: come on, yeah, exactly, Like if you predict doom and

684
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: gloom every single day for years, sometimes those predictions will

685
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: line up with a real attack. And the nine World

686
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: Trade Center attack was a really prominent terror attack. Osama

687
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: bin Laden was a prominent terrorist, Like, it's not out

688
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: of nowhere. Yeah. Yeah, So that's my question here, Robert.

689
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Speaker 1: Do you think that did he claim to have any

690
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: insider information or was he privy to something? Yeah, I

691
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: mean he claimed to have sources, and he claimed to

692
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: have because he was talking about how like we know

693
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: that the press is going to support martial law and stuff,

694
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: like he was basing all of this. He always says

695
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: that he's got like white papers and sources and stuff

696
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: that he reads all this from. But he claimed to

697
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: have had inside information that this attack was coming from

698
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: an anonymous source, from a bunch of anonymous sources and

699
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: stuff like He that's classic Alex Jones, as he always says,

700
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: this has been verified, this has been proven, we have

701
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: the sources, and then he doesn't give them, um but

702
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: credit where it's due. He he called a terror attack

703
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: that sounded like nine eleven wound up being a couple

704
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: of months before nine eleven. Um. Here's Alex Jones speaking

705
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: later about this time. Quote. I went on the air

706
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: and said those were controlled demolitions. You just watched the

707
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Speaker 1: government blow up the World Trade Center. I lost seventy

708
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: of my affiliates that day. Station managers asked me, do

709
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: you want to be on this crusade going nowhere or

710
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: do you want to be a star. I'm proud I

711
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: never compromised. So Jones got in trouble at first because obviously,

712
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: right after nine eleven he declared it to have been

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Speaker 1: a government attack, and he was probably the first prominent

714
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Speaker 1: person in the country to declare the nine eleven attacks

715
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Speaker 1: of a government conspiracy. Um, this is like nine eleven

716
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: was an inside job. That was sort of the big

717
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: buzz phrase that was around at the time, and he

718
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: is the guy who started like he's not obviously, I'm

719
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: going to guess that when that happened, thousands of conspiracy

720
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: theorists around the world had similar ideas, but Jones was

721
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: the first prominent conspiracy theorists to really hammer home his

722
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: belief that nine eleven was an inside job um and

723
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: gained traction with it too write whether positive or negative.

724
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Speaker 1: He was the first. He became the face of that, yeah,

725
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: because he would replay that clip of him predicting it

726
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: and stuff, and that got him tens of thousands of followers,

727
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: probably millions by the time, you know, the real height

728
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: of that conspiracy theory. And I'm not the man to

729
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: deny anyone there crowning achievement. Alex as if nothing else,

730
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: probably the luckiest conspiracy theorist in history. But like you said,

731
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: he makes a lot of predictions, and I want to

732
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: make sure that we provide some context here, because Alex

733
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: Jones has predicted one disaster a day for roughly twenty

734
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: straight years, uh and through Yeah, so just so no

735
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Speaker 1: one thinks he's psychic. I would like to zoom forward

736
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: real quick to two and the release of the Robert

737
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: Rodriguez and Danny Trejo film Machete. Now, Alex was terrified

738
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: of this movie because it showed Mexicans with machetes attacking

739
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: mostly white bad guys. So here's a prediction he made

740
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: about the movie Machete, just so we don't think that

741
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: maybe he is magic or whatever. And this is an

742
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: Austin thing too. Rodriguez is an Austin guy, right, yeah, yeah,

743
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: yeah right. And and Rodriguez and Jones know each other. Um,

744
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't think well, but they met. Yeah, whether he

745
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: knows it or not. Robert Rodriguez, I would say it's

746
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: a nine chance right now is going to trigger racial

747
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: riots and racial killings in the United States with the

748
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Speaker 1: September release of his film Machete. First of all, it's

749
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: like the most owner Robert Rodriguez film ever. Like, I

750
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody saw that movie. I saw it.

751
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: I saw it, and to you know what, to Jones's

752
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: credit here at least he wasn't trying to say. And

753
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: also I want to note our super producer, Casey is

754
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: outside the booth with us, and he is laughing so

755
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: hard at some of these that we can hear him

756
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: in here. Ye. True, that's true. Well well played, sir. Well,

757
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean you guys remember the machete race riots, right,

758
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: that was that was a dark time for this country.

759
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: Were going to come back from that. I'm surprised you

760
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: can still buy them in stores. I did just want

761
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: to say that. We Ben and I also do another

762
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: show called Stuff They Don't Want you to Know. That's like,

763
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: we're not a conspiracy theorists. We call ourselves conspiracy realist.

764
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: But the idea is like critical thinking applied to conspiracy theories.

765
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: So it's like we look at them, it's like, why

766
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: are people talking about this? What are people saying on

767
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: the internet? Why is this interesting? Why is this a

768
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: fascinating thought experiment? And we get so many crazy emails

769
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: in our email box, and and most a lot of

770
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: them are like these like group emails that are just

771
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: sent to dozens and dozens of addresses, and almost all

772
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: of them are just predicting a disaster a day. So

773
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: he set the tone for this. I mean, this is

774
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: a thing, yeah, and it's a smart thing to do.

775
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: If you want to be in the business of making conspiracies,

776
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: you want to make as many prophecies as you can

777
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: because it moves the same thing that like an evangelical

778
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: doom and Gloom preacher would do. You know, you make

779
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: you make so many predictions about the end of the

780
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: world or whatever, and it doesn't matter that each of

781
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: them is fake, because what's important is people. Some people

782
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: want to always be that amped up. They want to

783
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: feel like the snakes are always that highney. Yeah. Yeah,

784
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: it's about the journey to the end of the world,

785
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: not whether or not the world ends. So Jones treated

786
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: his luck as prophecy, and his show began to spread

787
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: like wildfire. At first, he was mostly popular in the moist,

788
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: weird underground of Internet nerds in the early two thousands,

789
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: which I'm gonna guess everyone on this podcast was a

790
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: member of one way or the other. I just cringed

791
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: at your use of the word moist, but that's that's

792
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: a personal thing for me. I thought it was there

793
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: was evocative, inappropriate, but disturbing. Yeah. Yeah, Well, we passed

794
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: Alex Jones around like a joint. He was. He was

795
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: Bill Hicks without the humor. He was Robert Anton Wilson

796
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: without the humanity. He was a strange and unique little

797
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: nuts screaming into the abyss when we went on strung

798
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: out red eye drives across the southwestern wherever you happen

799
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: to be driving late at night. But as the Internet spread,

800
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: so did Alex Jones. Uh and he would not stay

801
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: small forever. But now it's time for This is not

802
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: going to be one of my smoother ad breaks, but

803
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's time for an ad break. Ads. We're back,

804
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: and we're talking about Alex Jones, who has has just

805
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, started to really drive home the fact that

806
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: he predicted eleven along with a bunch of ship that

807
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: never happened. Anyway, He's making a lot of hay out

808
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: of that. And his first big break came courtesy of

809
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: a man you may know, Charlie Sheen. In two thousand six,

810
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: Jones interviewed Sheen on info Wars about his belief in

811
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 1: nine eleven conspiracy theories, most of which had of course

812
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: been spread via info Wars. This video, because Charlie Sheen

813
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: is a prominent guy, went really really viral, and that

814
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: same year, Alex Jones published the nine eleven conspiracy film

815
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Speaker 1: Loose Change. He was a producer on Loose Change um,

816
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: which is why a lot of people will still make

817
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: the joke that jet fuel can't melt steel beams. That's

818
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: where that comes from. So Alex jones loose change really

819
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: really ignites the nine eleven conspiracy movement um and for

820
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: the first time in his life, Alex Jones became more

821
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: than just a local Austin celebrity or a nut beloved

822
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: by truck drivers. He launched the info Wars store in

823
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Speaker 1: two thousand six, and he started selling diet supplements in

824
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, using his shows as free advertising for

825
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: his own products. Alex Jones was the first person to

826
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: really grasp how much money could be made by being

827
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: famous and trusted and selling people bogus healthcare products on

828
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: the Internet. Nowadays been Shapiro, Gwyneth Paltrow, dozens and dozens

829
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: of different public figures sell various health products using their

830
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: sort of websites and podcasts and and media networks as

831
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: a way to drive sales. But Alex Jones was the

832
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: guy who invented that you know it doesn't have behind

833
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: the Bastards branded life straws. I think you're missing out

834
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: on that niche, you know, for just you can get

835
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: a bottle of twelve behind the Bastards iodine tablets guaranteed

836
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: to make sure you have enough iodine to listen to

837
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: this show. I personally endorsed those. By the way, I

838
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: think you get a price break if you order in bold.

839
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: What about Cyanide tablets, That's what I want. We also

840
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: sell Cyanide tablets. Yeah, those are cheaper. Um, you know,

841
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: we're trying to really drive the Cyanide but anyway, Yeah,

842
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: so I just feel it's important to recognize that that

843
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: Alex Jones was kind of like the like the Steve

844
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: Jobs of sleazily selling people expensive supplements on the internet.

845
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: Like he really like huh yeah, I mean he he

846
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: blazed that trail. He was the first guy I had.

847
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: I had no idea seriously that he was the pioneer there.

848
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: I thought he was just you know what it is,

849
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: it's because it's so ubiquitous, like alarmist conspiratorial shows that

850
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, you hear the ads about how the economy

851
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: is gonna collapse and then it goes to another ad

852
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: about how you should buy gold. But he gotta start

853
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Speaker 1: with buying gold was his first big thing and that

854
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: but I didn't know he was the first. And like

855
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: in two thous fourteen when Glenn Beck was everywhere on

856
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: the air. He was always selling like gold stuff and

857
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: that he was that was very much descendent from Alex Jones,

858
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: because he was the first guy to realize that, like,

859
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: there's a whole constellation of expensive things that people who

860
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: are scared about the end of the world always want

861
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: to buy. And if you can keep them convinced that

862
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: the world is always ending and get them to trust you,

863
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: and then tell them that your ridiculous safety supplies or

864
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: supplements or whatever will protect them, that you can make

865
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: a shipload of money. And that's actually what our second

866
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: episode is going to be. But I just wanted to

867
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: make the point that years before Gwyneth Paltrow made Goop,

868
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: Alex Jones was selling people silver to put up their butts.

869
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: Now uh Inforce grew into a major production. No longer

870
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: was Alex recording a show from his house and filming

871
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: video in a spare room. Now he had a studio,

872
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: semi professional production values, and a whole staff. One of

873
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: his producers from this early period was impressed by Alex's

874
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: ability to talk for an hour about stories he hadn't

875
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: read more than the titles of. Another employee recalled the

876
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed quote. Sometimes he'll say he has sources and he's

877
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: been told a piece of news that has been confirmed,

878
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: but we wouldn't have that information. Later we'd find out

879
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: it was because a week earlier we had a caller

880
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: on air who theorized about something and Alex repeated at

881
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: as fact. So you mentioned earlier having um uh doing

882
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: your conspiracy show and getting emails from nuts. I suspect

883
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: a lot of Alex's sources are emails like that, because

884
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: he's think of the lists Alex Jones must be on

885
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: like yeah, and he's just like, we we have it

886
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: confirmed now from the email. It's just like and he

887
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: shakes it too. He I'm shaking a bunch of paper

888
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: right now. Very it does feel good. We should be

889
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: filming this so people can watch me shake at a

890
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: camera and get all red faced. Anyway, um yeah. So

891
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: in September two thousand and seven, Alex Jones interrupted Haraldo

892
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: Rivera live on Fox News. Rivera was doing what I'm

893
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: sure was a tasteful and informative report on quote, the

894
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: secret world of restroom gay sex um. But then Alex

895
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: showed up to get in the middle of it, shouting

896
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: nine eleven was an inside job through a megaphone until

897
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: he was removed by the NYPD, which is like almost

898
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: a singularity of classlessness. Haraldo Rivera talking about gay restroom

899
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: sex while Alex Jones rants about nine eleven conspiracies on

900
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: the same frame of a television show. It's amazing. I

901
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: can't tell me we have a clip of this, because

902
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: there's got to be a clip. I'm sure we're just

903
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to use our imaginations. You're gonna have to

904
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: use your imaginations for that. I didn't pull that one

905
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: up because there was other clips. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

906
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: who wants to be Haraldo. I'll take one for the team.

907
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: I say we put the kash on this and move on.

908
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: On March eighteenth, two thou eight, Alex Jones became an

909
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: invited guest of Fox News. Judge Andrew Napolitano had him

910
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: on as quote the Great Alex Jones. They talked about

911
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: the fact that Alex and inval Wars had suddenly become

912
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: a substantial influence on other conservative media personalities like Glenn Beck.

913
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: Alex said, I've never seen an awakening this big. I'm

914
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: seeing Glenn Beck talk about the New World Order on

915
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: Fox I'm seeing you talk about it, We're seeing Lou

916
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: Dobbs talk about it, We're seeing mainline hosts Limbos even

917
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: talking about world government. Michael Savage is talking about how

918
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: Obama may stage crises to bring in martial law. So

919
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: all the things that I was talking about in the

920
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: wilderness ten plus years ago are now hitting mainstream and

921
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: it's great. So that's okay. I'm sorry, hold on, hold

922
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: on point of order, Robert. Michael Savage as mainstream, that

923
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: guy's looney Tunes. You know, I I hate to argue

924
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: with you on this, but I grew up in Texas

925
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: with a very conservative family, and I heard Michael Savage

926
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: three or four times a week. And my parents aren't

927
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists. They're just very conservative. He's not that far outs,

928
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: like if you're right wing, he's not. He was not,

929
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: in that period of time far out of the stream.

930
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: Do you know what it was that? I bet it's

931
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: because I started listening to him later in life, maybe

932
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: later in his career, and when when I heard him,

933
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: he was like based in California and talked about how

934
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: much he hated the comedies in California but he still

935
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: lived there. Oh boy, and I don't know what he's

936
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: doing now or if he's he's gone further to the

937
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: fringes now, but when I was a kid, at least

938
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: I heard him a lot. Um, he's definitely like like

939
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Glenn Beck, one of those voices who was just regularly

940
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: a part of our lives. So um. The first broadcast

941
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: of the Alex Jones Live Show was in April of

942
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: two thou eight. I found a copy of at least

943
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: a lot of that broadcast. The link will be up

944
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: on our site. But the first minute and a half

945
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: is just the A C d C song Balls to

946
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: the Wall. Uh. Then Alex class Yeah, he's got great

947
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: taste in music. Um, he puts up a lot of

948
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: obscure like industrial metal from the eighties. Uh So something

949
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: that's always interested me Alex jones musical taste, which is

950
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: why it's interesting that you say he might be a

951
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: secret DJ. I would kind of love to hear his music. Yeah, anyway,

952
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: A C d C song Balls to the Wall place

953
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: for a minute and a half, and then Alex Jones

954
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: begins ranting about how all of the world religions are

955
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: controlled by the same group of people. Eventually, the footage

956
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: cuts to Alex Jones wearing a Ron Paul toothousand and

957
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: eight t shirt. He's talking with an Irish guest about

958
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher. Alex allows his guest to speak for a while,

959
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: occasionally cutting in to move things along. When the show

960
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: starts to drag, he talks about the Illuminati, and they

961
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: eventually wind up on the subject of Senator Joseph McCarthy,

962
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: who Alex loves. He goes on a rant about how

963
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union was funded by the U. S. Army,

964
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: So we're gonna play a clip from that that the

965
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: army and then our government was funding to Soviets. He

966
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 1: was totally destroyed instantly because that was about to expose

967
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: that Commune's was just a fake front, just like we

968
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: knew from books that were written and inside people that

969
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: Mao was put into power. Now it's admitted on the

970
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: History Channel, and they have the old CI Section chiefs

971
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: who are now dead, but videos of them admitting that

972
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: they put Mao into power. Alan Watt. So we're at

973
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: normal Alex like today Alex Jones by by two thousand

974
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: eight or so, his politics are a little bit different,

975
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: but you hear the voice right, He's gone all gravel

976
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: in dark, So he's definitely there. He's still kind of

977
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: bipartisan because he's definitely saying that, like the whole government

978
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: is engaged in a conspiracy to make people believe communism

979
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: is real when it's just a front for the U. S. Army.

980
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: So he's not a partisan hack yet, but he's definitely

981
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: evolved from beginning. Alex Jones. Yeah, uh. The election of

982
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: Barack Obama as President of the United States was probably

983
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: the best thing that ever happened to Alex. It seems

984
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: to have taken him by surprise, as does the surge

985
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: of far right sentiment that immediately followed President Obama's election.

986
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: The podcast Knowledge Fight is currently going over every post

987
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: election episode of Alex Jones's show to kind of document

988
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: Alex's transition from a total political outsider to a dedicated

989
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: profit of the far right. But they've shown that he

990
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: didn't see the Tea Party coming. The first episode of

991
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: his show, when the Tea Party got brought up by

992
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: a caller, he clearly had no idea what it was. Eventually, though,

993
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: he got on board and realized that this represented a

994
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: group of people that he could sell stuff to. Alex

995
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: Jones and info Wars were responsible for spreading that viral

996
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: poster of Obama as the joker. If you glanced at

997
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: a tea party protests in two thousand nine, you would

998
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: have seen that. Um. In March two thousand nine, Alex

999
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: Jones released the documentary The Obama Deception, a two hour

1000
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: movie about how Barack Obama was a grave threat to quote,

1001
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: the hope of free humanity. Jones made the case that

1002
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: President Obama was going to take away America's freedom, a

1003
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: thing that totally happened. You all remember that, right, um.

1004
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: One former employee later described the mood and info Wars

1005
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: at the time as quote, we were getting more and

1006
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: more calls from people who seemed unwell, claiming that the

1007
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: FBI was watching their house. We kept saying we're the underdogs.

1008
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: That was our mantra. But slowly it started to feel

1009
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: more like we were becoming the majority. Oh yeah, which

1010
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: is so what what? What? Like? What spurred this change

1011
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: in him? I mean like he was just so freaked

1012
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: out by Obama in particular. That's like, I don't know,

1013
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: that's a good question because it makes sense why he

1014
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: because he obviously he hated on Bush a ton he

1015
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: believes Bush murdered thousands of Americans to start a war

1016
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: using whatever the hell. I don't I don't want to

1017
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: get into nine eleven conspiracy theories. But he hated Bush,

1018
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: but he Obama didn't even do anything for him to

1019
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: hate him. I think that's what I'm saying. Yeah, it

1020
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: was just hope. It was just like, let's turn the tide.

1021
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: Let's just do some different stuff and you know, be

1022
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: good people. I think there's a lot of implicit racism.

1023
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: I think that's yes, Yeah, I think there's a lot

1024
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: of implicit racism in the surge of fire right sentiment

1025
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: that that sprang up after Obama's election. With Jones, I'm

1026
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: not sure. I'm sure some of its racism. I think

1027
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot of it, though, might just be simple economic

1028
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: makes sense, knowing if I can scare the ship like

1029
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: bushes out of the White House, so I can't scare

1030
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: the left anymore into buying my ship right, because their

1031
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: guys in office and they think that this war stuff

1032
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: is going to get reduced. So now I have to

1033
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: scare people on the right. Well, how do I scare

1034
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: people on the right. I make Barack Obama look like

1035
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: a demon trying to take their freedom. Any wasted no

1036
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: time doing that. No, immediately. Yeah, and that's something that's

1037
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: pretty easy for him to do. But I appreciate your point.

1038
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: You can't be a showman without a show, you know

1039
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. So do you do you think that

1040
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: it was I know we're speculating here, but do you

1041
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: think it was a matter of that cognizant level of

1042
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: calculation or do you think he was just going with

1043
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: the flow. I think it's probably a mix of both. Um,

1044
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: we'll get into that a little bit more later. But

1045
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: I I see some calculation at the start of it,

1046
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: because Obama hadn't done anything yet to justify a freak out,

1047
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: and he engineered the week out with Bush. Obviously, something

1048
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: like nine eleven happened. Something as crazy as planes flying

1049
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: into a tower. People will make conspiracies about it, and

1050
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: he jumped onto that, and maybe that was legitimate. He

1051
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 1: may have really believed every conspiracy he threatens he spread

1052
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 1: about nine eleven. I do think Obama marks the point

1053
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: where he's just trying to make money. Um. Yeah, but

1054
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: that's my theory. Um, So they made a lot of

1055
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: money in early two thousand nine. Yearly Obama years on

1056
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: good days Alex would run around yelling you get a bonus.

1057
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: We had a huge sail day. Another former employee recalled

1058
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: a time when Alex took everyone out to the Info

1059
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: Wars warehouse and shot at boxes of DVDs with a

1060
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: bow and arrow, apparently in celebration. This was recalled as

1061
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: a fun time. Um. Like all great artists, Alex stole.

1062
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: In particular, he stole from Rush Limbaugh. Several former employees

1063
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: claimed he nursed an intense jealousy for the right wing

1064
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Speaker 1: radio icon. Jones's signature smokes thirty packs a day. Voice

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00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: is apparently an imitation of Rush Limbaugh's voice, and if

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00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: you listened again, we listened to his earlier stuff, he's

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00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: clearly putting on a voice because he doesn't always talk

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00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: like that. Um. One employee later claimed quote, we'd spend

1069
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: weeks getting everything just right in the studio. Then he'd

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00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: go for a drive and hear Rush again and say

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00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: I need my voice to sound something like that, and

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00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: so we'd completely re engineer the sound to make him gruffer.

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00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: So that's interesting A key moment. Nowlex's evolution happened in

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00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, because that's the year he got really

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00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: good at google bombing. According to that Rolling Stone profile quote,

1076
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: asking his audience to stage a mass online search of

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00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: the phrase revolt against the t s A, a tactic

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00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: known as google bombing, Jones instantly manipulated the term to

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00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: the top of Google search index. As intended, the maneuver

1080
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: caught the sensitive traffic antennae of Matt Drudge, who put

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00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: the t s A story on the national news agenda.

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00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: Our show was the detonator on the cap of the

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00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: t s A story, and Drudge was the barrel of

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00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: the gun, says Jones, So this is like early fake news,

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00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: Like this is like yes, he's also the fucking Steve

1086
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: Jobs of fake news, because he really figured out he's

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00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: not just putting out fake news stories. He wrecking eyes

1088
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: is how to get his listeners to manipulate the algorithms

1089
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: of social media and search engines in order to make

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00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: it trying to tip the scales, to like freak people

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00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: out and to like start some kind of firestorm of

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00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: paranoia that's in his favor to help him sell bullshit exactly. Yeah,

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00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: question was it phrased as when he when he was

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00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: telling his audience to do this, was it phrased as

1095
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: you can go search now to learn more about this

1096
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: or was he telling them make this the top search term?

1097
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: He was telling them to make this a search turn.

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00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: He was staging like he like that was the explicit goal,

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00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: and he's he says like again, like that, like are

1100
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: the goal was to get this story to Matt Drudge. Um.

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00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess a lot of our listeners don't

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00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: read the Drudge Report regularly, but it is. It is

1103
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: currently number one hundred nineteen on Alexa, the hundred nineteenth

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00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: most popular website on the entire Internet. Um. There are

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00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: very few websites in existence larger than the Drudge Report.

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00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: It is one of the most fluential, you could call

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00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: it journalism outlets on the planet. And Drudge and Jones

1108
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: have a mutually parasitic relationship. When Alex was banned from Twitter,

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00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: that was the top story and the Drudge Report a

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00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: few minutes later. Um. Drudge regularly will scan info wars

1111
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: and will put like basically comb the crazy out of

1112
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: his stories and then put them up on his side. Like.

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00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: That's been going on for years, and it started at

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00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: least as early as two thousand eleven. Alex Jones speaks

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00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: positively of Matt Drudge and regularly cites his website as well.

1116
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: He feels differently about Glenn Beck. So here's that Rolling

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00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: Stone profile. People inside his company tell me Beck follows

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00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: what we do closely, says Jones. It's frustrating that I've

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00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: never sold out yet I'm being gobbled up by this

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00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: giant pac man who puts my work through his corporate

1121
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: media assembly line. He takes information from me about secret

1122
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: combines and elites and then spends it against big government,

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00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: but he ignores big business. He says, George Soros is

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00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: at the top of the New World Order power pyramid.

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Speaker 1: Give me a break. I have no love for Soros,

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00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: but I don't trust Beck. Of my audience hates him.

1127
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: New listeners on me. I'm a back wannabe. I'm like, no,

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00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: it's the other way around. So we have Alex Jones

1129
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 1: to thank for a lot of Glenn Beck. Um. Yeah,

1130
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: easily wounded this ego he is, and it's it's fun

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00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: that he talks about. He says, George Soros isn't a

1132
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: big deal back in two thousand eleven or so, because

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00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: he does not shut up about George Soros today George

1134
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: Soros is making our marijuana stronger. He's behind everything bad. Now.

1135
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: It's just interesting how he switched over time. But Obama's

1136
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: first term is a great time for Alex Jones. It

1137
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 1: goes so well, in fact, that people who were close

1138
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: to him at the time speculate that he voted for

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00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: Barack Obama in two thousand twelve. One employee recalled quote,

1140
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: he just kept saying, oh my god, if Obama loses

1141
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: were out of business. One of the guys in there asked,

1142
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: you didn't vote for Obama? Did you? And Alex said nothing,

1143
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: just a grimace. I don't know what it meant. So

1144
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: that's there's a conspiracy for us to start about Alex Jones.

1145
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: I know at least three employees to BuzzFeed stories about

1146
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: how a number of people at info Wars at the

1147
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: time suspected Jones had voted for Obama. This remains my

1148
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: favorite Alex Jones conspiracy. So him insane. I mean, I

1149
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised he made

1150
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: If he's cynical enough to do it, then I don't know.

1151
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: And if he did it, that's proof that this is

1152
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he wasn't lying in his his his

1153
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: custody hearing, and this is all in act. I don't

1154
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: think it's all in act, But I wouldn't be surprised

1155
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: if he voted for Barack Obama because he wanted millions

1156
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: of dollars and because he wanted to continue being relevant,

1157
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 1: and he attached his relevance to being able to stir

1158
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: up hate against you know, the system, the president. So

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00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: Obama one and two twelve, obviously, and for a little

1160
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: while things remained good in jones Land. He made millions

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00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: of dollars selling supplements, rifle parts and survival supplies like

1162
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: seeds and body armor. It's possible that during the Obama years,

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00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: Jones took home like twenty or thirty million dollars himself,

1164
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: maybe more um. In two thousand thirteen, at an event

1165
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: for the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theorists, Alex Jones met Roger Stone.

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00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: This was the beginning of what I like to call

1167
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: the likeliest friendship in history. Former Paul Manafort partner and

1168
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: sure to be frequent Bastard pod side character Roger Stone

1169
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: told The Washington Post this we kind of hit it off.

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00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: He's fearless, as showman. He likes a drink, a cigar,

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00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: bouty stories, hunting and fishing. He's a man's man. Roger

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00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Stone self man's man. Yeah, full grown man's man. And

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00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: Roger Stone now hosts a show on Info Wars. We're

1174
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: just last week he defended himself against the surely looming

1175
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: indictment that's coming from the Muller investigations. So that's that's

1176
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's fine, that's it is good fun. And

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Speaker 1: Roger Stone, no one has ever been more ready to

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00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: be an inful Wars guest than Roger Stone. He is

1179
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: was made for that show. It's like they poured him

1180
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: into a mold. What a guy anyway. Other people around

1181
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: Jones at this time say that as Obama's second term

1182
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: drew to a cloth, Alex started to change. One ex

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01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: employees said, quote, it became less about affecting change and

1184
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 1: more about being sensational and making money. It didn't start

1185
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: out that way. He was a lovely person to hang

1186
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: around for a long time, but soon that evaporated. Four

1187
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: employees described Alex Jones to BuzzFeed as quote a tyrant.

1188
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: One person called him Blackbeard meets Hitler one minute just

1189
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: on a high and swashbuckling and calling us to action

1190
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: the next punching out walls. So when Donald Trump first

1191
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: appeared on the scene, Jones didn't pay him very much

1192
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: mind uh. He kind of dismissed him as a plant

1193
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: by the globalist or a fake at first. But then

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01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: Roger Stone got involved in the Trump campaign and introduced

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Speaker 1: Alex to Donald Trump. In December of two thousand fifteen,

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01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: Trump appeared on info Wars for a thirty minute conversation

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01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: with Alex Jones. In fifteen years, Alex had gone from

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01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: running a website out of his spare room to talking

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Speaker 1: with the soon to be president for an audience that

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01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: numbered in the tens of millions. But Alex Jones never

1201
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: lost the common touch. To prove that, here's a video

1202
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: he filmed when Caitlyn Jinner transitioned in two thousand and fifteen.

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01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: Just so you know, listener, in this video, he is shirtless.

1204
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: This is the first of many shirtless Alex Jones videos,

1205
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: and he's wearing what he admits are his own dirty

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01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: gym socks on his ears. So trans zoological, I believe,

1207
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: is the term. I may just had to be transabled

1208
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: and shot my arms and legs off, and I mean

1209
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,479
Speaker 1: known as a biscuit and living a box. We're taking

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01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: care of And if you don't accept it, your hateful.

1211
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: In fact, if you don't adopt my life style and

1212
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: where dirty brown socks on your ears after you work out,

1213
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: you're a racist, you're a homophobe, you're an anti zoological phobe.

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01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: You're a piece of filth. So now I become my

1215
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: new self. Yeah, he's pretending to be a dog in that.

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01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: So yeah. And and just just to point out, he

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01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: had a lower third on the screen that said rough

1218
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: rough Jones. Yes Jones, Yeah yeah. Now is this the

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01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: first shirtless Alex Jones video? No, I don't think this

1220
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: is the first time. It's the earliest I found maybe,

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: but he's there's I have up on the site, will have.

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01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: I think it's like a sixteen minutes super cut of

1223
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: a I don't even think they're all of the shirtless scenes.

1224
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: We will be talking about that. But I think at

1225
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: this point his degeneration into modern Jones is finished. Like

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01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of like watching Danny DeVito's character and always

1227
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: sunny from the second season where he's a businessman, to

1228
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: like where he's eating garbage. Alex Jones has got from

1229
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: a charming man in a suit who talks like a

1230
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: normal person to wearing his filthy gym socks on his

1231
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: ears insulting a random woman for no good reason, like

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01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: he's he's completely degenerated now anyways, full gollumn Jones. At

1233
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 1: this point he is Schmigel has died long ago. Yeah,

1234
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: So two thousand sixteen went the way we all know

1235
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: it did. Donald Trump gradually defeated his Republican rivals and

1236
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: eventually Hillary Clinton. Alex Jones watched his reach and influenced

1237
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: growth throughout the campaign. Thanks to the algorithms on Facebook, Twitter,

1238
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: and YouTube who he had a direct highway into the

1239
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: brains of tens of millions of people. In two thousand eleven,

1240
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: his YouTube channel had some eighty million views. By two

1241
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: thousand team that number was more than one point two billion. Now.

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01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: Donald Trump called Jones after his election victory to thank

1243
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: Jones's viewers for their support and Alex Jones for quote

1244
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: standing up for what's right. According to Alex Jones, this

1245
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: is what the President elect said. I just talked to

1246
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: kings and queens of the world, world leaders, you name it,

1247
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. I want to talk to you

1248
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: to thank your audience, and I'll be on in the

1249
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: next few weeks to thank them. So that didn't happen.

1250
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: He didn't show up on info Wars again. I think

1251
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: the adults around Donald Trump were like, you can't keep

1252
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: showing up on info Wars. Maybe they should minders to say,

1253
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: people who rip up his paperwork. Yeah, I'm sure it

1254
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: was hit him on the hit him on the nose

1255
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: of the newspapers, like, no, not go on, Alex Jones,

1256
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: that time is gone for you. Maybe they played a

1257
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 1: super cind of shirtless Alex Jones for him, and we're

1258
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: just like, we can't let you do this. He's like,

1259
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: but Putin. Putin doesn't wear a shirt. He's probably so

1260
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: pissed that he has to wear shirts right now. Oh God,

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01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: thank thank God for that. I will let timently say

1262
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: whoever is keeping a shirt on the president as a

1263
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: hero if that's a difficult thing to do. Um anyway.

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01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: On November nine, Alex Jones, in tears, cheered Donald Trump's

1265
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: plan to quote build a better world. He toasted champagne

1266
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: glasses with Roger Stone. Frank Sinatra's My Way, played Alex Jones. Yeah, yeah,

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01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So he turned it on, but he couldn't

1268
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: turn it off again the tears. Yeah, I mean he

1269
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: can't turn it off anymore. I think he's past that

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01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 1: point in his life now. He's he's always on. He's

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Speaker 1: like when your bomb told you not to make that face.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you if you stay a racist conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theorist long enough, it'll stick that way. So Alex Jones was,

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Speaker 1: after Trump's election on the service at least, on top

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Speaker 1: of the world. But like the conspiracies he loved, there

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Speaker 1: were more twists and turns in his journey than we're

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Speaker 1: visible on the surface. On Thursday's episode, we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about Alex's vicious, multi year, multimillion dollar divorce, his

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Speaker 1: frankly shocking custody battle, and the moment when Icarus like

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Speaker 1: he flew too close to the sun and got banned

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Speaker 1: from all mainstream social media. Tomorrow, though, we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about Alex Jones, a supplement empire, and all the

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Speaker 1: people he may have gotten killed along the way. So

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Speaker 1: that's what's coming up. I'd like to thank both of you,

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Speaker 1: Noel Benjamin for for being on my show, for talking

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Speaker 1: with me about Alex Jones. How are you feeling after

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Speaker 1: part one of this epic three part thing. A little

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Speaker 1: bit dead inside, a little broken, a little on the

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Speaker 1: verge of of a nervous breakdown, but also you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of chipper and ready to see what comes next. Personally,

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled. I'm learning a lot. And uh when when

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Speaker 1: started stuff they'll want you to know, I figured we'd

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Speaker 1: run into Alex Jones, but this, this deep dive is

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Speaker 1: a real eye opener. Man. The Steve Jobs stuff alone, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really think that's a fair way to build him

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Speaker 1: because whatever else he is, and this is something people

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Speaker 1: if you talk about, like two people who would like

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Speaker 1: study broadcast radio history and like podcasting and how it's

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Speaker 1: sort of evolved, he's a seminal figure in that he's

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Speaker 1: an important figure in the industry that we're all involved in. Um,

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Speaker 1: he is an innovator. He's also the shirtless guy that

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Speaker 1: we saw wearing his own filthy gym socks on his

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Speaker 1: ears for no real good reason. Um. He contains multitude. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I could also like your Rudyard Kipling reference there earlier

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Speaker 1: with the common touch. I have a question, just no spoilers.

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Speaker 1: Robert but in the next episode, are we gonna learn

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Speaker 1: whether or not Alex Jones sells branded tinfoil? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I actually haven't run across Jones selling tinfoil, but we

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Speaker 1: are going to talk about the lead based supplements that

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Speaker 1: he sold the people. I mean, alright, no Benjamin, you

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Speaker 1: guys want to plug your plug doubles before we close

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Speaker 1: out this episode. Absolutely. Noel and I are the co

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Speaker 1: host of a show called Ridiculous History, which examines the strange, bizarre,

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Speaker 1: unusual people, places, events, and things throughout the span of

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Speaker 1: human civilization. It's a little shallower dive, but it's it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun, and the episodes are, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: thirty five minutes and pretty easy to get through and

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Speaker 1: binge nice and snack able podcast episodes. We do those,

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Speaker 1: and we also do a show called Stuff That I

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Speaker 1: Want You to Know, which applies critical thinking to conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: Um and I think we did one on Alex Jones

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Speaker 1: turning the frogs gay pretty recently and that was that

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Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. But I've I've learned a

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Speaker 1: lot more than I ever wanted to know, And God,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like we're gonna learn a lot more still

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Speaker 1: this is just the beginning of the journey. Um. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, while you're waiting for the next part of

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Speaker 1: this three part series, I'm behind the Bastards. Uh. You

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Speaker 1: can check out every podcast we've ever done for either

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Speaker 1: show on our websites Ridiculous History Show dot com or

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Speaker 1: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know dot com beautiful.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at I right, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I have a book on Amazon, A Brief History of Vice,

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Speaker 1: where I experiment on myself with dangerous ancient drugs, so

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Speaker 1: you can pick that up too if you want. You

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Speaker 1: can find this podcast on the internet at behind the

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Speaker 1: Bastards dot com, where we'll have all of the sources

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Speaker 1: and video clips for this ridiculous three part episode, and

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Speaker 1: you can find us on social media Instagram, Twitter, at

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Speaker 1: at Bastards pod. So uh, We'll be back tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: Thursday with more ship about Alex Jones. Until then, maybe

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Speaker 1: try buying a T shirt off of our t public

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