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Speaker 1: First off, Bro, we appreciate you coming on the show.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: We go way way back with you man, you day,

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Speaker 3: Kim just all that man. So you know, we definitely

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Speaker 3: happy and appreciate you being on the show.

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Speaker 2: Bro. All good man, glad to be here.

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Speaker 3: So when you first got to the league, who's the

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Speaker 3: first person to bust your Actually.

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Speaker 4: I don't recall, but I do remember that first couple

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Speaker 4: of games that I had actually got in the game

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Speaker 4: and got some decent minutes. It was against Alan Houston

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Speaker 4: and Big Dog and yeah, it was just like you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously he came off screens, you know, not fast at all,

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Speaker 4: just yeah, just working you to sleep, you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. And then Big Dog was the same thing,

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Speaker 4: just super slow, patient, you know what I mean. You

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Speaker 4: think you just got him, you know, in the palm

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Speaker 4: of your hands, but just it's just ahead of the game.

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Speaker 4: And then it range like a layout. He ain't even

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Speaker 4: missing them.

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Speaker 2: Listen as soon as as soon as he releasing wat

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Those are two guys that I recall, like when I

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Speaker 4: first got in the league and going against those guys,

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Speaker 4: how easy it was for them to score and they

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Speaker 4: wasn't even working that hard.

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Speaker 2: Yo, yo yo. We live on location.

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Speaker 5: Me and the Blackest won eight lounges inside Resorts World

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Speaker 5: right here in Las Vegas. NBA Summer League twenty twenty four. Today, Man,

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Speaker 5: we got some yeah yeah yeah, Class of nineteen ninety

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Speaker 5: eight in the building, boy, yeah yeah yeah, my black

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Speaker 5: boy boys. Yes, we got a champion, a gold medal,

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Speaker 5: and class of ninety eight represented McDonald's game and all that.

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Speaker 5: Compton's finest straight out of Compton. Stay shine Prince.

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Speaker 2: In the building. Man, we appreciate you, brother.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all. Compton, California.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of hoops came out of Common but

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Speaker 3: Demingus High School, while Domingus was the school for you,

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Speaker 3: out of all the schools you could have went to

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Speaker 3: that was like, man, this is it.

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Speaker 4: So most of my family went there. I'm the youngest,

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Speaker 4: my brother. My sister is the oldest. My brother they

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Speaker 4: went there, my mom went there. You know, when my

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Speaker 4: kind of got put on a map from a basketball standpoint,

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Speaker 4: And so once I got there, like things was already

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Speaker 4: matchmade and heaven, it was easy for me to go there.

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Speaker 4: Once I was in middle school, I'm watching them play.

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Speaker 4: I recall you know, them playing against Oak Hill one

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Speaker 4: time when I was in middle school, you know, Curtis

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Speaker 4: Staples and all those guys. You know, when I watched

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Speaker 4: that was like the what put us over the hump

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Speaker 4: in terms of like getting a recognition, and then we

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Speaker 4: just started getting good players, good good players. And then

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Speaker 4: you know, I had four great years there, you know,

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Speaker 4: three state championships, you know what I'm saying, four city championships.

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Speaker 2: So it all worked out.

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Speaker 1: So your brother was the one that used to watch

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Speaker 4: It's interesting because my brother didn't play basketball until like

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Speaker 4: the eighth grade, Like he wasn't he wasn't really liking

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Speaker 4: and eventually my brother friend started playing basketball.

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Speaker 2: So he was like, all right, let me start open too.

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Speaker 4: And it was just in a year's time, like he

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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying playing against the likes of you know,

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Speaker 1: Some of the guys in a lax.

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Speaker 3: I know you mentioned Paul, but who was just some

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Speaker 3: was like, Man, I'm kind of I want to be

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Speaker 4: I didn't really like try to pat my game after

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Speaker 4: nobody obviously living in LA watching the showtime Lakers, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean watching Magic and how distribute the rock and

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Speaker 4: That's just something that I gravitated to just watching his basketball.

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Speaker 4: Cute vision and knowledge of the game. But in terms

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Speaker 4: really just like trying to emulate them or nothing. But

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Speaker 4: you know, when I was watching like Shake Cotton, you

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Speaker 4: know Jack Vaughn was, you know, when I was in

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Speaker 4: it was like that why I'm trying to go, man,

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Speaker 4: That's why I'm trying to get to you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. And Shay is only a year older than

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Speaker 4: any right, But when I was in the eighth grade

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Speaker 4: And then he's doing this against juniors and seniors. So

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Speaker 4: I'm sure y'all heard Shake Cott and a lone man

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Speaker 4: that day. It rings a lot of bells. Man, he

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Speaker 4: was one of the best players I've seen many for you.

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Speaker 5: You said he was cooping and picked up a game

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Speaker 5: from day one. At what point would you say you

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Speaker 4: So you know early on, man, like elementary middle school,

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Speaker 4: I was always the tallest in the class, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So when you're playing at that age,

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Speaker 4: you was just so much taller than everybody. I was

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Speaker 4: And then once I started to get like eighth grade,

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Speaker 4: playing up up, up, playing against you know, better talent.

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Speaker 4: But people was my size even though they were older.

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Speaker 4: But once I got adjusted, it is when I realized, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: I just I saw a big jump in my game.

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Speaker 4: Then when I came back for my sophomore years, when

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Speaker 4: I kind of knew that, like I had something special.

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Speaker 3: Speak about because you and Q in the same class

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Speaker 3: speak about the Nike camp days and AU day because

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Speaker 3: like I was a soft I was going to be

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Speaker 3: a sophomore that summer, y'all was about to be senior.

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Speaker 3: But that Nike that specific You're at Nike Camp. Everybody,

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Speaker 3: even as the guys. Everybody was at that Nike camp,

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Speaker 3: and that was one of the best Nike camps, that

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Speaker 3: and all them going to one year. But that was

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Speaker 3: one of the Pacific ones that I was like, man,

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Speaker 3: this is crazy, Like every game was like hit us everywhere,

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Speaker 3: just tell us what you remember about nothing?

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Speaker 2: So what I remember?

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Speaker 4: You know, Obviously at the time, most of the top

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Speaker 4: like a big tournament here in Vegas. That's a big tournament,

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Speaker 4: But outside of that, it was Nike Camp, right, So

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Speaker 4: I get the Nike Camp. Obviously, we got Q, got

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Speaker 4: Corey mcghetty, Lewis d Rush Geron. Rush was number one

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Speaker 4: and then we went to that camp that year. You know,

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Speaker 4: I like after we all played and they put everybody's

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Speaker 4: remember to this day. Q was one, Coreleon was two,

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Speaker 4: I wasn't even like top twenty. Yeah, I wasn't top twenty,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But playing against those guys,

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Speaker 4: super strong, physical obviously you know our bodies had developed.

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Speaker 2: My body definitely had developed, skinny it said.

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Speaker 4: You know, watching him, man, it was and watching those

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Speaker 4: But once again, like that's when I started to know,

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Speaker 3: When you won state in California, Like how was that

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Speaker 4: And so cif City championship was a lot harder. And

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Speaker 4: you know, the talent amongst the LA was so big.

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Speaker 4: it was much more higher at that time than going

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Speaker 4: would always play Inglewood west Chester. Obviously, Inglewood have Paul Pierce,

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Speaker 4: we played them in in the CIF championship. The next

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Speaker 4: So we was always playing the top guys out in LA,

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Speaker 4: and Inglewood was always the top team west Chester, those teams,

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Speaker 4: but you know, we would always play those guys in

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Speaker 4: we got in that CIF championship game and it was

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Speaker 3: New dude, when y'all got out the city, it was

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Speaker 3: it was a wrap. Yeah, tell us about a young

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Speaker 3: tyson Chandler seven foot freshman, like your young fella.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, so I was a senior. He was a

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Speaker 4: freshman and Tyson. I saw Tyson in the first or

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Speaker 4: to the eighth grade. He was probably about sixty nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And yeah, what I'm saying, Right,

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Speaker 4: they did that sixty minutes on him. Yeah, mom and shit,

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Speaker 4: and you know he comes his freshman year, my senior year,

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Speaker 3: Just like I said, having another player, because we haven't

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Speaker 4: Just to have, you know, guys like myself and him

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Speaker 2: Like why is this all about him? Like, but it

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Speaker 5: All of them people were talking about it made the

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Speaker 2: No lie for sure, laying slide.

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Speaker 5: He just live three sixty did the runner up three

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Speaker 2: And they came. He won. Corey was like strong man,

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Speaker 3: Remember that's one of the best American classes ever in

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Speaker 4: Yes, Arizona, you know Arizona. So that time, at that time,

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Speaker 5: With madness, Yeah, you if you midnight Madness for your visit.

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Speaker 4: So once I did that, Man, did you commit on

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Speaker 2: Nah? And when I got back okay, ye, when I got.

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Speaker 4: Mike Miller went on the visit with me. Obviously, Mike

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Speaker 3: Your first year in Kentucky as a friend. Tebe Smith

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Speaker 4: It wasn't a big adjustment because my high school coach

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Speaker 2: Like he had me. We was kicking it.

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Speaker 5: I was like, okay, visit like she well, Cap lawns

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was definitely like that when I got there,

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Speaker 4: A couple of things. One, I'm the youngest of three.

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Speaker 4: Obviously had worked out and was able to get drafted

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Speaker 2: What did you do?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty one workouts and I got hurt at the

438
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 4: start of the twenty second one in Portland stepped on

439
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 4: Jared Jeffery's foot hyper extended my leg and I missed

440
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 4: my last two workouts after that, which.

441
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 2: Was twenty four. See, I had like eighteen nineteen.

442
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 4: I pretty much worked out from everybody from like like

443
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 4: pretty much the whole first round, damn. And there was

444
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 4: a couple of teams that had two picks.

445
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: Hm. Hmmm, that's crazy.

446
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: I ain't doing nothing now, you did you? Did you?

447
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: Did you actually work out for the Pistons?

448
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, because a lot of times something like I

449
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 5: didn't work out for the Clippers, and you know they

450
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 5: picked us anyway, so you know i'd be wanting to know, like,

451
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 5: did you actually work out for the team? Did you

452
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 5: have an idea? Like was that one of your better workouts?

453
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 5: I worked out?

454
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 4: I worked out for Detroit on a Friday, in which

455
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 4: I had a workout Monday, Tuesday, I had Wednesday off,

456
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 4: and then Thursday, Friday worked out in Detroit and Friday.

457
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 4: So of course four and five days didn't have a

458
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 4: great workout, you know what I'm saying.

459
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: It was just okay.

460
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 4: But I think the thing they wanted to see was

461
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 4: just me compete, and you know, they wasn't really looking

462
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 4: for me to have a great workout. It was more

463
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 4: just getting me in there, getting to know me as

464
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 4: a person. They watched me for four years. They're not

465
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 4: going to sit here and judge me off if I

466
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 4: have a great workout when they watched me for four years.

467
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 4: So I think it was more just getting to know

468
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 4: who I am and just put me through some little

469
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 4: tests and see how I do with that.

470
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 2: And once I.

471
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 4: Got out of that workout, I had a pretty good

472
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 4: information I was going there if somebody draft me before that.

473
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 3: How was it like going to a veteran team like that?

474
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: And how was Larry Brown? Larry Brown?

475
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 4: Rick Carlisle was my first coach, which at that time

476
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 4: Rick Rick was heavy on vets.

477
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: Don't play rookies.

478
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 4: You sit there, you learn, you gain experience, knowledge And

479
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 4: the good thing about Rick is he tell you that

480
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 4: you know you get some of these coaches man.

481
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 2: Do this And it worked hard.

482
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 4: Man, Like Okay, we're my shot, and it ain't talking

483
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 4: to you like Rick told me off day one, Like

484
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 4: I got my guys.

485
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: You work.

486
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Your opportunity may come, it

487
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 4: may not. You know, I trust my vets. We accomplished

488
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 4: some great things last year. We still got sent the

489
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: same type of guys in here, yadada, YadA. So I'm like,

490
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 4: at least he told me, I just gotta work now,

491
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And just think, man, I

492
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 4: was on the team. It was Cliff Robinson, Danny Manning, Live,

493
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 4: John Bear, Corlis Williamson, Michael Curry as me like these

494
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 4: are my vets, you know what I'm saying.

495
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: Michael Curry took me under his wing.

496
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 4: Everything he was doing, he was having me, do you

497
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, just like, young fella, come on,

498
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 4: we got to do this. We're doing this work out

499
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 4: at this time. We're doing this this this like and

500
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 4: I just followed it the whole time, and followed it

501
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 4: the whole time, follow it the whole time. And you know,

502
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 4: front office was in my ear man just keep working,

503
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 4: keep working, keep working. So I had to support, you

504
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, even though I wasn't playing. The

505
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 4: key was four years of college, you know what I'm saying. Experience,

506
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 4: just being patient. You know, younger guys to get a

507
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 4: little upset by that, right, And when my opportunity came,

508
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 4: just my experience and my patients just paid off.

509
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 2: Once it was, you know playfages.

510
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 5: Talk about how important that is, like cause you know,

511
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 5: we came in at a different time. Like now you

512
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 5: got guys that come into the league and they vet

513
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 5: might be twenty four and they twenty one. Because the

514
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 5: twenty four year old been in the league five years

515
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 5: and he's somebody. He might got a little money or

516
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 5: some to heat the big doub but like talk about

517
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 5: the true importance of having a Michael Curry, like somebody

518
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 5: like that who who had grown men in their own

519
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 5: right and not only can you learn you know, professional

520
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 5: and basketball thing, but you could learn some things about

521
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 5: life when you were a young fella, And like talk

522
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 5: about the importance of having them vets and for sure,

523
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 5: like how much we miss him now?

524
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I'm telling you the minute I got drafted

525
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: and then you know, you go to the rookie transition

526
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 4: program and all that stuff, which at the time, Michael

527
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 4: Curry was the president of the Player Association. So I'm

528
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 4: at the rookie transition program and he's young fella. Sin

529
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 4: as we get done, were about to do this, this

530
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 4: and this, Like we're gonna get this work in then

531
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 4: we're gonna do this and this. We're gonna watch some

532
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 4: film all this like he just put when I tell you,

533
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 4: he put me under his wing, and he put me

534
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 4: under his wing, and so it was just so valuable.

535
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 4: So once I was able to prepare and learn and

536
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 4: experience before the season even came, even before I met

537
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 4: with Carlyle, I met with you know, the rest of

538
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 4: the team, and not even knowing what my role was

539
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: gonna be, I was ahead of the game, you know

540
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And then watching those guys, not just Mike,

541
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 4: but watching them throughout the year, how they carry theyself,

542
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, How they approach practice, how

543
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: they you know, pre practice, during practice, after practice, taking

544
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: care of their body, road trip, you know what I'm saying,

545
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 4: And fiting guys out to dinner, you know what I'm saying.

546
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: Just how they just did all those things to make

547
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 4: everybody just feel, you know, make the chemistry of the

548
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: team good. So once you on the court, that chemistry

549
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: just takes off, right because everybody talented. But when you

550
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 4: see these good teams take off, it's how they are

551
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 4: off the court. And Michael Curry and those guys did that,

552
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 4: and it's just kind of transcended with each team I

553
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: was on in Detroit in my stage is my career.

554
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 5: Before you go into the draft. They all got questions

555
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 5: about your body, your physique, are you strong enough? Can

556
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 5: you hold up? Like at what point in your mind

557
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 5: did it click like I'm great, like especially defensively, because

558
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 5: I said all the time, like and you talked about it.

559
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 5: I was a post up stronge guard like you and

560
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 5: Andrew Catlinko was my worst nightmare is not whenever we play.

561
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 5: And it wasn't like you say, you look at y'all,

562
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 5: That's what I'm looking for.

563
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: But the fucking lean looked the problem like.

564
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 5: It wasn't like cause it was like me too to

565
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 5: lock that shit up, nothing like y'all was like wiry,

566
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 5: strong or whatever they wanted to call it. Like, at

567
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 5: what point do you feel like in the league you

568
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 5: got comfortable like wherever? Like you you became one of

569
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 5: the best defenders your whole career that you played. That

570
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 5: was like you locked it up. So at what point

571
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 5: in your mind did he click? Like don't really matter

572
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 5: about this, Like I know how to use my body

573
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 5: and I'm confident that I could do this.

574
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: I mean I was confident in college. I was confident

575
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 4: in high school at it. Obviously more so in high school,

576
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: I was going guarding more down you know, Garden two's

577
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 4: mainly college I was guarding threes and four, so more

578
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 4: physical guys, whatever the case may be.

579
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: But I knew it then.

580
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: But once I got to the league, you know, that

581
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 4: was like I said, I wasn't playing my rookie year,

582
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 4: and then there was a stretch in the middle of

583
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: the year where he started playing me five or six

584
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 4: games and it was like Paul Pierce, ron Or Tests

585
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 4: and those guys. So I got to taste of, you know,

586
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: what to expect, and even though it wasn't like major minutes,

587
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 4: it was good enough minutes to see how it transpired.

588
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: And just like any rookie was has had some major

589
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: ups and downs in those games. But I felt good

590
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 4: about it, you know what I'm saying, And then obviously

591
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 4: watching film and waiting for the next opportunity to just

592
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, redeem myself and kind of go

593
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: from there to your point, right, like the physical guys

594
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 4: that I was guarding in the league, right, guys like you,

595
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 4: Guys like ron Or Tests, guys like that, Like I

596
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: had success because how you know, I was always had

597
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: a three or four inch height advantage, and I was

598
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: super long, so no matter how much you hit me,

599
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: like my recovery was so quick, and then my length

600
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: was you know, would always just get back into the

601
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 4: play all to your shot, block your shot, and whatever

602
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: the case may be. So but yeah, man, there were

603
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: certain guys like Ruben Patterson, super physical, play hard, go

604
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 4: straight downhill, Matt Harpering, like these were guys I was

605
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: super like. People wouldn't think I ain't tough to guard

606
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: with super tough to guard because the activity, the forcing,

607
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: how strong they are. So just filling it out against

608
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: those guys and then just you know, translating into against

609
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: other opponents, it was like, you know, I'll be all right.

610
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah man, heart brings.

611
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 5: They show a couple of times, I'm motherfucker that boy,

612
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 5: god damn football player on the court.

613
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeahn get him his ass.

614
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, straight playing, damn heart boy.

615
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: When Larry Brown came and they let Rick go, Larry

616
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: Brown is a Hall of Fame coach. I love Larry Brown,

617
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: but he's a unique person, Like, uh, I would say that,

618
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: would you say that? Q?

619
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

620
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 5: I got yeah, man, listen, Coach Brown ain't gonna bullshit.

621
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: He gonna, god damn tell you what the hell it is.

622
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: You he owes school.

623
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 5: You gonna you're gonna coach you and you're gonna receive

624
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 5: the coaching or you not. And if you not, you

625
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 5: ain't gonna be here a player. That's just he old school.

626
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 5: I respected the shit out of coaching once we understood

627
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 5: each other. I got love for coaches this day. And

628
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 5: I feel like he got loved men. Like you said,

629
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 5: I like when somebody shoot straight with me, don't tell

630
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 5: me this, and then it's that like long you tell

631
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 5: me this, I can deal with. I'm a big boy.

632
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 5: But like I respect the coach because he shot straight. Yeah,

633
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 5: you get Larry Brown. But then you start seeing the

634
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 5: change in the team.

635
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: They start building, bringing guys in trying to see, you know,

636
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: all the way down to y'all finally get she You

637
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: know y'all they we thought Mellow was gonna be Detroit pick,

638
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: but they wind up going with dark old you know

639
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So like, and they builded this veteran

640
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: team with you being well, you're not a young guy

641
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: because you did four years in college, but you're the

642
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: young guy of them that's playing. How was that to

643
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: see the team forming and building them vets around and

644
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: y'all competing at a high level that y'all wasn't competing

645
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: just years before, well a year before.

646
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it kind of still took place from the

647
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: last year of Carlisle where you know, we went to

648
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 4: the conference finals and we got swept by Jersey. Front

649
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: office got a chance to see what was needed on

650
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: that next roster. But then also, you know, was Carlile

651
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: the right guy for the team, right? And so once

652
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 4: they chose Larry and that fit came about, front office

653
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 4: thought it was a match made in heaven because obviously

654
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: they knew.

655
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Who we were and they knew what he was about.

656
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 4: So once we got him and you know, started to

657
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 4: go through training camp and go through the experience, we

658
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: kind of figured it was a match because obviously we

659
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: know Larry's super disciplined. To your point, tell you how

660
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: it is like you can't like shortcut anything, you know

661
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

662
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: You know, how he.

663
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: Approached things and how he did things with us, it

664
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: didn't phase us, right, Like we were all strong minded guys.

665
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: We had a veteran group. Like you said, I was

666
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 4: a young guy obviously, Rip was a young guy too

667
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: at the time. He ripped a couple of years old

668
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 4: than I am. But we were the young guys in

669
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 4: terms of playning you know, major minutes on that team.

670
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: Everybody else was you know, vets. So it was great man.

671
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 4: And obviously once we traded for she Man just.

672
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: Obviously yeah, yeah, I took she from us. Yeah, the connection, man, Yeah,

673
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: I took. She was also hurt. She was like, man,

674
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: I'm out the miles. I don't know, I don't know

675
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: what else to tell you.

676
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 4: Like, the trade for she Man was like when you

677
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: trade for somebody in the middle of the year, especially,

678
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: it takes a long time for stuff to start panning

679
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: out and making making. You know, a lot of times

680
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 4: people say, man, let you know, let this year finish out,

681
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: letting get a full training camp, and then we will

682
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 4: see how to go and take off from there.

683
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: She different.

684
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: Like the minute we got she Man, it took off,

685
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: like probably ten games after we got him. It just

686
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: kind of we went like on a ten twelve game

687
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: you know, win streak or whatever, and it just kind

688
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 4: of took off. So Matt Larry was the perfect coach

689
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: for the group that we had.

690
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: You know, you talk.

691
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 4: You hear all these different scenarios where Larry was pre

692
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: you know, other places and it didn't work. It worked

693
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: with us because it was just a perfect fit for

694
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: the guys that that was there and the mentality that

695
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: he brought.

696
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: He was like the only person that I'd been around

697
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: that's a superstar that don't care about being a superstar.

698
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: I don't care.

699
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: He has all the potential in everything to be a

700
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: superstar if you want to, but he just he just

701
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: played the game the right way and just very supportive

702
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: of the team, in your player.

703
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: And he was a perfect fitness to Ben too, like

704
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: the perfect defense wise all that, you know, loudest guy

705
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: on the court man the deficit side of the ball.

706
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: Man.

707
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 4: Just talk makes things so much easier for everybody on

708
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: the floor just by from a communications standpoint, and then

709
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: obviously if you got Ben down there just protecting the

710
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 4: rim and doing what he do, it just made our

711
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: defense man.

712
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a player to talk to the

713
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: refs the way she talked to the real.

714
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 5: No?

715
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: Never no, and the crazy thing it just got It

716
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 4: got to a point where you know, he would say

717
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 4: stuff that wouldn't warn a tech and they would give

718
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 4: me more.

719
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 2: They got to that point. It was like that.

720
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: They just got to the point where it's like, man,

721
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 4: if he just say anything, we're gonna take him up.

722
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: Man used to be like, hey, man, don't get your

723
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 3: one text so we can go and play.

724
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: What the thing is? I think Chauncey said it. Yeah,

725
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 2: he was like, listen, man.

726
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 4: If she get a text, we like, oh cool, all right,

727
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: we're gonna feature she the rest of this game. He's

728
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: gonna have to go ahead and win this thing for us,

729
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: because once he got a text, man, he just he

730
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 4: just turned it up a notch man and was like,

731
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go from here.

732
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: Tell me this.

733
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 5: He spoke on it like the world thought y'all was

734
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 5: gonna draft Carmelow. Like you sitting there, you like, tell

735
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 5: me what you're thinking, like, because like I mean, anybody

736
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 5: with any type of sense, you're just like, okay, Like

737
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 5: for you to be in that position and be watching that,

738
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 5: we all watch the draft in the league and now

739
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 5: were sitting there, what are you thinking?

740
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 4: In that moment, we all thought we were the players. We

741
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 4: all thought it was taking mellow. We knew dark O

742
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 4: came and worked out for us, but in our minds

743
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 4: because you know, we hadn't seen dark Old, right, nobody

744
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 4: knew he came and worked out for it, but you

745
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: know we ain't seen him. We seen Mellow said, so

746
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 4: we was like, man, how do we look up and

747
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 4: get this pick with the team we got? Now, we

748
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: didn't like as a team say like man, we get Mellow, this, this, this,

749
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: but we all in our minds was like we're getting

750
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 4: Mellow And at.

751
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 5: That point it was like Lebron being Mellow. It was

752
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 5: just that was what it was. Was no other thought.

753
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 5: That's why I asked that. It was like so much

754
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 5: of a giving to everybody in the world, like even

755
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 5: if you didn't care about you, oh yeah, Leron'll be

756
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 5: number one, Mellow be number two.

757
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 4: So it's like yeah, So like I think how management

758
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 4: looked at it was like they down their future small

759
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 4: forward than me. Let's take a chance on Darko because

760
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: me middle core who we had, you know, who was

761
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 4: super talented. There was you know, obviously chance we was

762
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 4: gonna lose in a free agency, which we did. So

763
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 4: right however they want to call it was like, we'll

764
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: take a chance on Darko, but you know, if we

765
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 4: took Mellow man obviously we know what could have been, right,

766
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: but we was all sitting there, like, man, were sitting

767
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 4: there in front of the draft. We about to see

768
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: this number two pick, and then we was like they

769
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: said dark O. We was like, okay, you know what

770
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: I'm saying. We were shook. But I want to say

771
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: this about Darko though. Yeah, I remember Darko. I think

772
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: he was seventeen when we drafted. It just turned eighteen.

773
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 4: You know, obviously before the season started, Larry Browns's first coach,

774
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 4: tough come on, man, like the number two pick bus.

775
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: Everybody talk, all the lists, whatever the case may be.

776
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: But you know this wasn't all on Darko. Right when

777
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 4: you can draft a guy this age, like the organization

778
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 4: got to take responsibility and this as well, you see

779
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, and as well as the coaching staff

780
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 4: and us too, like we we tried to help dark out,

781
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 4: but could we have done more? Absolutely, But a young

782
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 4: kid of that mindset with Larry brown his first coach,

783
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 4: and he just came.

784
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: Over here from this country.

785
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: Man, he his spinning, don't know what's going on. And

786
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 4: then you know, Darko's game was a lot of face up,

787
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 4: you know, catch mid post face up, you know, this,

788
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: this and this, and the staff was working on him

789
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 4: to do other things to make him get minutes on

790
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 4: the floor, and he immediately got frustrated, right, seventeen eighteen

791
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: year old kid, like, this is my game and you

792
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 4: won't let me do it, you know what I mean.

793
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 4: And everything just kind of went bad from there.

794
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 3: So that year what clicked, Like when she came, that

795
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 3: was what clicked. Yeah, that's when every contender for sure,

796
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: that's when everything run. Yeah, that's when everything clicked. Like

797
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: before that, obviously we made it to the Eastern Conference finals.

798
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: The year before that, Management there's one missing piece we

799
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: need obviously, you know. And then, like I said, the

800
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: year before, we had all those vets, right, a lot

801
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: of them older, right Uncle Cliffy, all those guys older,

802
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: and Jersey was on top, you know, Kmart, Bridgie, Jeffres

803
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: these was flying up and down the court, right like,

804
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: they just flying up and down the court. So management

805
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: looking like, what can we do to you know, add

806
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: to this to be able to balance that, right, because

807
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 3: we had so many older guys. So once we got

808
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: sheet is like when it all connected, you know what

809
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean, because you know those guys was unstoppable in

810
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: the fast break and stuff like that. And you know

811
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: when we played then, we lost to them in the

812
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: conference finals the year before then we went seven games

813
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 3: with them next year after.

814
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: That, so they were on top of the East. So

815
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 4: it was like, from a management standpoint, what move can

816
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: we make to get over top of that and answer what.

817
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: She to this day, they showed this moment and it's

818
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: the Reggie Miller block, the rundown. Like every time you

819
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: see the NBA, they when they show high lights, and

820
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: it's certain highlights that just stick for years and years

821
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 3: and years, and that's one of the highlights that stick.

822
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 3: The way you got it and a second late or

823
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, like if you a step smaller,

824
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: it was right there.

825
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: Just tell explain us about that block.

826
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: And because I always feel like when I be hearing

827
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: guys talk about them winning the championship, they always say, man,

828
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: you got to come together, we got to play together,

829
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: but you got to have a little bit of luck

830
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 3: to So explain us that block and that special play.

831
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I think it was the most blocks

832
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: in playoff history and that that game overall both teams.

833
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 4: But y'all remember back then right man scores is always

834
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: in the sixties. Man, when you talk about two of

835
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 4: the best defensive teams in the league, and you know,

836
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 4: one of my things that are always done in games,

837
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 4: especially as Rip and chance he was like our heavy

838
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 4: dominant perimeter scores. I would always try to figure out

839
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 4: what can I do to balance out the perimeter right,

840
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 4: So it was always defense, always rebound, and always trying

841
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 4: to get extra possessions, always just trying to do the

842
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 4: little things. Once they kick it to me, make an

843
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 4: open shot like that was my role early on, and

844
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 4: so anytime Chancey would drive or Rip, come off his

845
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: curls and shoot. There wasn't many times I would crashed

846
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: offense glass.

847
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: I would always be the first guy back.

848
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 4: So when the ball went in the backcourt and Chancey

849
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 4: knew he was faced up against the shot clock, at

850
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 4: this point, I already know he's about to try to

851
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 4: get to the basket. So my mindset is to see

852
00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 4: what happens beforehand. But no, like I gotta go. Just

853
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 4: it was a perfect situation for me, just because it

854
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: was Reggie Miller. And y'all know Reggie Miller didn't like

855
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 4: the dunk, you know what I mean? So that played

856
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: in my mind the whole time as I'm chasing him down. Okay, one,

857
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: I know he doesn't like the dunk, So now by

858
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 4: that happening, there's a pretty good chance I'm not gonna

859
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 4: foul him, you know what I'm saying. So the way

860
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 4: it all planned out, I knew I wasn't gonna get it.

861
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 4: Was just a matter of time if I was gonna

862
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: catch it before it be goaltending.

863
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, before it hit the back of you.

864
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

865
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 4: Like I had done that way before that moment and

866
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: other games in college, in high school, Like I done

867
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: it all the time, So it's clockwork when that happens

868
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 4: and I'm in that moment, the question was I was

869
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: just gonna be.

870
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: Able to go get it?

871
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 5: Talk about your defense in the finals against Kobe. You

872
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like, this is Kobe and then

873
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 5: you know you from La, You from Compton, La. He

874
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 5: the legendary Laker doing what he do and then our generation,

875
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 5: this is the dude, you know what I'm saying, And

876
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 5: you got that assignment on the biggest stage. Ain't nobody

877
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 5: else watching, nothing else, Like how was that for you?

878
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 5: And then you know, coming out of that you was.

879
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 5: You got a lot of acclaim for that series, Like

880
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 5: how did that impact the rest of the way.

881
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 4: It was a perfect setup for my career, you know,

882
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 4: obviously me being from Cali. How you talked about even

883
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: Kobe two years older than us, we looked up to him.

884
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Still you know what I'm saying. He was that dude,

885
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: like he was there.

886
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 4: I was in high school watching the Lakers like it

887
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: was set up perfect, and then I wasn't you know

888
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 4: my first year, I wasn't playing. There was no expectations.

889
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 4: There was no expectations on us beating them. True story,

890
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 4: three or four days before the first finals game, they

891
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 4: had something at my school, right, had all the kids

892
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: in the gym and they wanted me to come speak.

893
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: So after I speak, I opened it up for questions.

894
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 4: First question was kid came up and was like, who

895
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 4: on y'all team over Kobe? So I was like, that's

896
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 4: gonna be my responsibility. The whole gym laughed, the whole gym.

897
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 4: But you got to think about it. It's La it's

898
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 4: my high school, but it's La though it's all nothing

899
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 4: but all Lakers. Forget what's fool You went to all

900
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: that it's all Lakers. The whole gym just started laughing,

901
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And I'm just sitting there,

902
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 4: like what can I say? You know what I'm saying,

903
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: Like I'm a Laker fan, too, played for the pistols,

904
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 4: I'm Laker fan. I grew up Laker fan, and so

905
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 4: all these things, right, man, it was just like I

906
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 4: got nothing to lose, all this nobody expecting nothing right.

907
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 4: And the one thing I did know, right, three or

908
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 4: four inch high advantage, the length all of that. Kobe

909
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 4: likes to get to his spots. You know, I knew

910
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: that as long as I could just force him to

911
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 4: arrange jump shot and can test and contests, I got

912
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 4: a good chance just because of my size limit getting

913
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 4: him to the free throw line, limit, the easy transition

914
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: getting to the.

915
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 2: Rim and all that.

916
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 4: If I just make him take the tough contested tools,

917
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 4: then I can live with that. And that's what I

918
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 4: was able to do throughout that series. And once again,

919
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: like I talked about it before, like she and Ben

920
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 4: on the back line just.

921
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: Talk and communicate two.

922
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying now, I could push up

923
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, knowing that if he gets here,

924
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 4: get there.

925
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: Whatever the case may be, that'll be there.

926
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: You know, if it's she coming off like Ben is

927
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 4: going to slide over, whatever the case may be. Now

928
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 4: obviously shacks out there, so he gotta I gotta do

929
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: my best job to not let cold blow by me

930
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 4: because now if they rotating, now nobody's gonna take shack

931
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: off the glass. So, you know, just our team defensive scheme.

932
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 4: But then also it was it was a perfect fit

933
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 4: for me, just my my attributes to be able to

934
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 4: you know, know where he liked the shots on a

935
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: floor and just give good contests. And you know, once

936
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 4: their offensive rhythm was just kind of out of flux, man,

937
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 4: things just start working better.

938
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: But how was it to have the confidence to go

939
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: and the only people in the world that think that

940
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: y'all can beat the Lakers? They just won three in

941
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: a row. Like, uh, I know, she I talked sheet

942
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: all the time. He was like, man, we knew who

943
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: you was finna beat them.

944
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 4: The crazy thing is, before we even flew out to

945
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 4: La Jody was like, hey, man, y'all come to my office.

946
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 4: Want to meet with y'all. Got a couple of people

947
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 4: want to talk to y'all and those people from the

948
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: former Bad Boys team, so Zeke Isaiah met with us

949
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 4: and he was like talking about how to prepare for

950
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 4: a finals, what to expect, all these different things. And

951
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: as he was talking to us, he said, y'all gonna

952
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 4: win game one. I ain't even worried about that, So

953
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 4: we're gonna talk about game two on. That's what he

954
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 4: said off the rip. I ain't even worry about game one.

955
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: Y'all gonna win that because they ain't gonna know whe

956
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 4: what's gonna hit them. They haven't seen nothing like y'all before.

957
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: So he just started talking about from game two on.

958
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 4: And I was sitting there like, what, like, game one

959
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 4: is probably the most important game, you know what I'm saying.

960
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 4: He's like, Yeah, now, y'all gonna win that one. They

961
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 4: ain't gonna know what hit them. They have no clue,

962
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And just to hear those

963
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 4: Bad Boys guys talk to us about their experience in

964
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 4: the finals and you know, what to expect, what to

965
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 4: get prepared for, and how to handle the stage and

966
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. The support from the city

967
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 4: like all that was just it just made it even

968
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 4: more special. Knowing that We knew that one. We had

969
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 4: the best defensive team in the league, so we knew

970
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 4: we were gonna be there. The question is what we

971
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 4: were going to do offensively to get over the hump,

972
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And you know, obviously we're

973
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 4: heavy lifting on Chauncey and Rip and then obviously she,

974
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 4: But just the support of that group, man, it just

975
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 4: made it easy easier for us. Even though the team

976
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 4: itself we already had the most confidence. We just had

977
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: the confirmation from everybody else.

978
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: When y'all won it in Detroit, what was the feeling, like,

979
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: It's no Detroit went crazy?

980
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, nah, you know, the city went crazy. The city

981
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: was crazy. It was bananas, man Like. It was something

982
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 4: that you just never going to forget, right, Like our

983
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 4: dream is always like to play on the biggest stage,

984
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 4: and then when you win, that's just the ultimate goal.

985
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 2: You know.

986
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 4: People ask me all the time, like what's the bigger

987
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 4: accomplishment a gold medal or championship, And I'm like, man,

988
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 4: it's a blessing and it's special to win a gold

989
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 4: medal for your country. But when you talk world championship, man,

990
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 4: you got to play an eighty two game season and

991
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 4: then you got to go playoffs where we gotta be Jersey,

992
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: who swept us the year before. We gotta beat Andy,

993
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 4: who finished number one in the East. They got home

994
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 4: court advantage against us. And then you got to play

995
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 4: the Lakers. You know what I'm saying, no disrespect, we

996
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 4: played Milwaukee in the first round, but we got to

997
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: go through that to win a championship. So that's that

998
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 4: was grueling. Man, It was tough. Man, That's that's the

999
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 4: best of the best. And it was special. So man,

1000
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 4: we lived it up that whole night after that. Man

1001
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 4: didn't even go to sleep till the next day. You

1002
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, it was special.

1003
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: Man, tell us about the bond y'all had together the

1004
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 3: FDA won the championship. Man, every time I used to

1005
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: see any of y'all, I'll see the other four. I'm like, Man,

1006
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: the boys got a bond. No, you don't see one

1007
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: without seeing the other. And I ain't time just two people.

1008
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 3: It's five, six of y'all all together all the time. Like,

1009
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: how was that bond that that y'all got from winning

1010
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 3: that championship?

1011
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 4: And see, that's what I talked about earlier, Man, Like

1012
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 4: that first team I was on as a rookie, just

1013
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: establishing chemistry off the court. And when we established it

1014
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: with that team that won the championship, Like it was

1015
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 4: crazy because we did everything off the court, whether go

1016
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 4: to dinner, go to the club, like everything we did together.

1017
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: We get to the club, is eight.

1018
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 4: Nine of us and one person ain't leaving until we

1019
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 4: all leave. You know what I'm saying. In case something

1020
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 4: go down, We're gonna be there when you there. You

1021
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, ain't nobody leaving it to

1022
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 4: everybody leave? That was the rule, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1023
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: no matter where we went, you know, soon we get

1024
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 4: off that bus, Hey what we're doing.

1025
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna go here to eat. We're gonna go do this.

1026
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna go to movies.

1027
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 4: We're gonna and then if we down there, you know,

1028
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: nine to fifteen going to dinner and somebody ain't down there,

1029
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: we hitting them up. We're gonna go back and knock

1030
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 4: on their door. Hey, come on, you know what I mean.

1031
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: That's just who we were because we knew the importance

1032
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 4: of chemistry off the court and how I was gonna

1033
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 4: balance itself on the court. You know, some people look

1034
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 4: at that as a negative that man, y'all used to

1035
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 4: go out all the time. Man, it didn't play the

1036
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: next day. Like the chemistry that we had was crazy.

1037
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 4: And when you go through tough times and experiences off

1038
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 4: the basketball court, now when you get on that court,

1039
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: you know, you know your teammate better. You know what

1040
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 4: I'm saying. We know each other families, all that kind

1041
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 4: of stuff. Every time we was in Detroit, Man, we

1042
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 4: throw something at each other's house, whatever the case may be.

1043
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 4: Get to know your family and everything, because you know,

1044
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 4: so once you get on that court and you're not

1045
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 4: doing something right or something happens, we know why you're

1046
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: doing it.

1047
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: Now, we know who you are. You see what I'm.

1048
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 4: Saying, So you know what you're going through. Yeah, so

1049
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,479
Speaker 4: we know what that chemistry was just top notch.

1050
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: To win a championship and then come back the next

1051
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 3: year and go through wars again and get all the

1052
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 3: way back to the championship. Did y'all feel that y'all

1053
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: can back to back? Did y'all feel like your defense

1054
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: was so good that we can do this again?

1055
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: For sure? Yeah, for sure.

1056
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: We was the only difference obviously just playing with the

1057
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 4: bulls eye on our back. But we yeah, we felt

1058
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 4: that we could definitely run it back.

1059
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1060
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 4: Throughout that whole year, man, we was just we had

1061
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 4: our ups and downs, you know, throughout the year, obviously

1062
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 4: once having a target on our back, but once we

1063
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 4: got through some bumps in the road and stuff like

1064
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 4: that and start getting our stride right before playoffs come,

1065
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: you know, we were still that same Detroit team that

1066
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: won a championship. Now we're getting the playoffs and we're

1067
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 4: playing some of those teams that we beat the previous year.

1068
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 4: Now we're playing in Miami. Who has shock now, d Wade,

1069
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Now we go to San

1070
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: Antonio who obviously Lakers had won their chips and stuff

1071
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 4: like that, but san Antonio was on top as well.

1072
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: So you know those teams.

1073
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 5: Man, that was a bad year because nobody wanted to

1074
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 5: see y'all or the Spurs. They wanted to see us

1075
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 5: in Miami and we were supposed to be there, but

1076
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 5: don't goddamn Spurs, bro, I don't know, you don't remember

1077
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 5: that yet, Hunt. Everybody wanted to see us play that

1078
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 5: they wanted the destination city, they wanted Phoenix in Miami

1079
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 5: and we gave them fucking Detroit and Antonio.

1080
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: Yeah no, man, it was it was. It was just

1081
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: like a bad flash back for me. So excuse me, go.

1082
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 4: Ahead, team yeah, man, man, Robert ry Man with a

1083
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 4: big shot, man, we to repeat. Man, it's so tough, man.

1084
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 4: You know, when you're talking about the grueling playoffs, here

1085
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: is playing eighty two games, right, Like, we was a

1086
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: team that you know, we're blessed to not have many

1087
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 4: injuries on that team throughout our run. You know, we

1088
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 4: was always you know, you know, going through each game,

1089
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 4: playing all of them. So you know, we just ran

1090
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 4: up to a San Antonio team was just as good

1091
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: as us, right, go to seven game series. A lot

1092
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 4: of our bids got in foul trouble, you know, once

1093
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 4: we got in that fourth quarter, man, like you know,

1094
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 4: our guys been in foul trouble, and then Tim Duncan

1095
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 4: just had like a huge fourth for whatever the case

1096
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 4: may be and put them over the humps.

1097
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: So fundamental man.

1098
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, we we had the ultimate team that could

1099
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 4: go back to back. We just want you talked about

1100
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 4: it earlier, right, Just a little bit of luck here

1101
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 4: and there, one momentum swing here and there can change everything.

1102
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: So did this surprise y'all when Larry retired in the offseason,

1103
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 3: if y'all y'all had a sense of like, yeah, he

1104
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:11,959
Speaker 3: might be done.

1105
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 4: There was rumblings through the middle of the year that

1106
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 4: he wanted to go in to the front office. Obviously

1107
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 4: Cleveland at that time, there was talk about I think

1108
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 4: it was Danny Ferry at the time, maybe I can't recall,

1109
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: but they were going to make a change or something

1110
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 4: like that, and Larry's name was being discussed in it,

1111
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 4: and there was some rubbing rumblings about that. And then

1112
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: obviously I think from our end, from Detroit's end, I

1113
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 4: think management wanted Larry to speak on it and kind

1114
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 4: of put it, put the fire out, and it was

1115
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: just kept going, kept going, kept going. So you know

1116
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 4: how those things go, you know what I'm saying. And

1117
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 4: so only having two years of Larry at that point,

1118
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 4: how good we were Obviously the conversations like what happened,

1119
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 4: whatever the case may be, but we were disappointed because

1120
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 4: Larry was the right guy for us.

1121
00:53:59,160 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1122
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 4: Obviously it didn't work out, But there was rummings throughout

1123
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 4: that whole season, or at least in the middle point

1124
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 4: and from that point on about him possibly leaving or

1125
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 4: going somewhere else or retiring, whoever the case may be.

1126
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: Larry was a big guy. He just always wanted new challenges.

1127
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 4: Like once he won that championship with us, he's ready

1128
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 4: for a new challenge.

1129
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: Man, that's him. Like Larry, he always.

1130
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 4: Wants a new challenge, you know what I mean. So

1131
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 4: that's why it only lasted to you know.

1132
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: Two seasons.

1133
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 3: So the next year after that, you know, I know

1134
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: y'all have been these last couple of years, y'all been

1135
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: going at it with Indiana, but then Shaq go to

1136
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: Miami and that creates a whole nother monster that you

1137
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 3: have to deal with it. How was that going to

1138
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 3: the Miami Series the next year, because y'all could have

1139
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 3: went three in the row.

1140
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 2: Right.

1141
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 4: The thing about it is, man, when you beat a

1142
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: team in the playoffs and you play them again, Man,

1143
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 4: they make changes to their roster early. Right when we

1144
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 4: played and we got swept, We're trying to figure out

1145
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 4: what we got to do next to top that, right,

1146
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 4: so we had to beat Miami of the year before.

1147
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 4: You know, they're trying to figure out how to improve

1148
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 4: their roster. Whatever, the case may be already on top

1149
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 4: of with the players in the talent that they had.

1150
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 4: Now Shacks, they're another year with d Wade, you know

1151
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 4: what I mean. So now that chemistry is getting better.

1152
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 4: So you know, once again, same situation. And then obviously

1153
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 4: that was the year that Pat Rowley came back.

1154
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: Them, right, yeah, right before the season start, you know

1155
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

1156
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 4: And so now that happens trying to get their chemistry

1157
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. So once again, man, when you

1158
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 4: got two great teams and playing each other, you know,

1159
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 4: one series, play them again in the next series. Man,

1160
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 4: it's always to you know, tough to beat those teams,

1161
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 4: you know, two times in a row. Then obviously he

1162
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 4: had hungry d Wade. Obviously that was that year, you

1163
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and they go that team was great.

1164
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: Man.

1165
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 4: Once again, it was you know, a defensive battle like

1166
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: anytime teams played against us, there's always a defensive battle.

1167
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: But yeah, definitely great, great Miami team.

1168
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 3: The next year after that, I didn't think anybody could

1169
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 3: score forty thousand points for NBA career. Lebrin James averaged

1170
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: a triple double in all time points, but one of

1171
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 3: the most memorable moments of his career was the first

1172
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 3: time he went to the finals, but he had to

1173
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: play Detroit to get to that finals. In that game

1174
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: that was in Detroit where he just kind of got

1175
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 3: in his own tell us about that serious, because I

1176
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 3: didn't nobody think that the Cavs even had a chance

1177
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: of eating.

1178
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 4: For sure, Like, nah, most people didn't. Once again, the

1179
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 4: same scenario, right, play them the year before, Now they

1180
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 4: get a chance to play against us again. You know

1181
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 4: what I remember about that game, right is or what

1182
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 4: I should say, I didn't recall during the game, is

1183
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: twenty seven or twenty five straight points, Like during the

1184
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 4: course of the game, you don't.

1185
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: Know, you have no clue.

1186
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 4: You know he rolling, but you don't know he got

1187
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 4: twenty five in a row. But you know he's rolling,

1188
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And at that time, man

1189
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 4: like he was still obviously trying to find himself, you

1190
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, They were still trying to find

1191
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 4: pieces around him obviously that you know, they the league

1192
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 4: felt like which most people did, like they didn't have

1193
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: enough talent around him to be able to beat Detroit. Right,

1194
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: But momentum shifts. Momentum swings and playoff series. Man could

1195
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 4: always happen, right, and you know he had a fourth

1196
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 4: quarter over time that just was obviously we just we

1197
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 4: couldn't do anything at that time to like slow him

1198
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 4: down right. You know, the thing about Brin back then

1199
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 4: was like transition, pick and roll game. If you don't

1200
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 4: get that under control and he gets rolling in that

1201
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 4: and everything else, he starts rolling. Remember he wasn't a

1202
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 4: good jump shooter back then. You know, he wasn't doing

1203
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 4: a whole lot of posting up and all these other stuff.

1204
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 4: It was a lot of just pick and roll and

1205
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 4: transition down here, downhill, downhill, downhill, downhill, downhill. But in

1206
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 4: that game, once he started like hitting down here, then

1207
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 4: all of a sudden he tell everybody get out the way.

1208
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 4: Let me ice old, let me you know what I'm saying,

1209
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 4: because he's in you in that zone.

1210
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: Y'all been in that.

1211
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 4: Zone before, you I'm saying, you just start feeling it.

1212
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 4: So we didn't know that. But after the game press

1213
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 4: conference all that.

1214
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: Or you know, you bron scored twenty five did he had.

1215
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: No clue, no clue.

1216
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 3: After the first time y'all won a championship, you know,

1217
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: you got the block on Reggie.

1218
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: You played the d on Kobe.

1219
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 3: But what I noticed is the league is really labeling

1220
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 3: you as a defender now, like one of the top defenders.

1221
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: In the league.

1222
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: How was that for your peers and the whole NBA

1223
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: to really recognize you as one of the top on

1224
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 3: one of the lock up defenders.

1225
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 4: It was just it was just confirmation on terms in

1226
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 4: terms of like what I had did in high school,

1227
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 4: what I had did in college, you know what I

1228
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 4: did early on in my career. It was just confirmation. Remember,

1229
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 4: we want a championship. I didn't even make All Defensive

1230
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 4: team that year. I didn't start making it till after that.

1231
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 4: After that, it was like yeah, and that year was

1232
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 4: probably one of my best defensive years, but once again,

1233
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 4: probably one of my best defensive years because it was

1234
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 4: one of our best team defensive years.

1235
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1236
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 4: But at that point, I was labeled as a defender.

1237
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 4: And then you started playing against these guys. Now you're

1238
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 4: going to Now, once you're label to defender, you're gonna

1239
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: start getting everybody's a game, you know what I'm saying.

1240
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 4: Like this, they said, this dude is all defense, So

1241
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 4: you already know how everybody might set is coming against

1242
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 4: you what I'm saying.

1243
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: But okay, let me put this on notice and see

1244
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: if it is true. You know what I'm saying.

1245
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 3: But you noticed that in the in the league, like

1246
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: if you're not on the winning team or in the

1247
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: winning situation, you will never be labeled a defender. You

1248
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: got to be like a winner a big team for

1249
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 3: them to even consider you a defender.

1250
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: You know, do it on a big stage for sure. Yeah,

1251
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: that's now.

1252
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: We come up in the circuit.

1253
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: We played on you know, USA team, was in high

1254
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 3: school stuff like that. But to get asked to play

1255
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 3: on the big USA team, you know, that's like the

1256
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: dream team. It's like the dream team. You know, every

1257
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: four years there to come around. You're recognized as one

1258
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 3: of the best defenders, you recognized as a champion, one

1259
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: of the best players. To get asked to play on

1260
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: the Olympic team, how was.

1261
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 2: That for you?

1262
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 4: The biggest thing about that, man was like, obviously and

1263
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 4: you know two thousand and two thousand and four, right,

1264
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 4: the struggles, right, especially in two thousand and four, The

1265
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 4: biggest thing with that was like it was kind of

1266
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 4: a blessing for me because you got to think about

1267
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 4: it like back when they were their dream team, right,

1268
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 4: it was let's go get the top twelve dudes. Let's

1269
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 4: go get the twelve best guys, and we're gonna go

1270
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 4: ahead and rock out. So once international basketball started improving,

1271
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 4: now you gotta as the USA team, you gotta start

1272
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 4: improving your team and start thinking outside the box. What

1273
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 4: players do you need to get this thing going back? Right,

1274
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 4: So go get five or six superstars, but then yet

1275
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 4: go get another couple of guys that are specialists or

1276
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 4: this or that.

1277
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: Or to complete a team.

1278
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 4: So it was interesting, like in two thousand and seven

1279
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 4: when they asked me to try out and stuff like that.

1280
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 4: At the beginning, I was like, man, I don't know

1281
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 4: if I want to do this because we didn't want

1282
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 4: to five straight conference finals and finals. I ain't miss

1283
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 4: no games. I'm tired. Man, I'm gonna sit this one out.

1284
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 4: Get Rest're right, you know what I'm saying by some

1285
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 4: of them, and a lot of times they just be

1286
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 4: picking top dudes anyway, So why I'm gonna go through

1287
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 4: this trial process, put my body through this in the summer,

1288
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 4: don't make it. And then got to get prepared for

1289
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 4: this A lot was going through my mind. So I

1290
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 4: sat with Brian Colangelo, said with coach k and stuff

1291
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 4: like that. They asked me what was I thinking and

1292
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 4: stuff like that. So I told them how it felt,

1293
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: and they was just like, man, just come on board,

1294
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 4: go through the process. We really think you'll be special

1295
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 4: to this team. You know what I'm saying, Just you know,

1296
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 4: show us your worth and when we get in this

1297
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 4: trials and camp and stuff like that.

1298
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: So I did it.

1299
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 4: I played on that twenty seventeen everything kind of went well,

1300
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,959
Speaker 4: had another thing coming in the next year, and once

1301
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 4: I made the team, man, it was like it was

1302
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 4: just like wow, another confirmation in my career, like what

1303
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 4: I'm doing on the court for a winning organization, winning team,

1304
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 4: not being an All star, not being the best guy

1305
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 4: on the team, but recognize what I'm doing to impact winning.

1306
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 4: It's like that was confirmation on that O eight US

1307
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 4: team that starting to get guys like myself and others,

1308
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 4: you know, to understand the importance of what we do

1309
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 4: to help win basketball games. So that was that was

1310
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 4: another confirmation piece in my career.

1311
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 3: When they started breaking down the team of like y'all

1312
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 3: went to four conference finals, y'all want a championship. But

1313
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 3: now after so long, you gotta change it out here

1314
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 3: there go, Yeah, you gotta change it up. Some guys

1315
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 3: get trade trying to get traded for for Allen, you know, uh.

1316
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: Rashid leaving the off seas and ripped.

1317
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 3: Get a bye, y'all to see something that was just

1318
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 3: so perfect, so beautiful, the bonds you had with not

1319
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 3: only the players and their families, and you know, the

1320
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 3: business started to kick in, like all right, we gotta

1321
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 3: make a move. Then you just kind of see the

1322
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: team just being dismetaled. And for you to be drafted

1323
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 3: to Detroit playing for Rick Carlile, then playing for Larry

1324
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 3: Brown winning a championship, This is all you know, right,

1325
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

1326
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 4: The biggest thing, like when you look at guys' careers

1327
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 4: mostly is or how you would want it to go.

1328
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 4: In my opinion is you would want to start slow

1329
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 4: and then gravitate, you know, reach the mountaintop. A lot

1330
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 4: of guys, even though they will still take the championship,

1331
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 4: you don't want to take that first, and then the

1332
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: mountaintop goes that way, you know what I'm saying. And

1333
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 4: while we were still on the top for a long

1334
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 4: time though, and having that success. The ultimate thing that

1335
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 4: transpired that ended up sinking the ship, obviously is when

1336
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 4: Ben left in free agency, right, And it was one

1337
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 4: of those things in moments where just like everything else,

1338
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 4: when something happens, we come together talk about it. You

1339
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, this, this and this, and obviously

1340
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 4: the year before there was already talk about contract extension

1341
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 4: stuff with being whatever the case may be, he didn't

1342
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 4: do it, became a free agent. Obviously at this time,

1343
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 4: we're still our team, right, And when you're on top

1344
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 4: for a long period of time, what does other teams do?

1345
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 4: They justin they gonna go take one of them guys,

1346
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 4: you know, try to break up that court piece, you know,

1347
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying. And Chicago came in being

1348
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 4: talked to us about it, whatever the case may be.

1349
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 4: And the thing about us, man, we always kept it

1350
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 4: one hundred you know what I'm saying. He laid everything

1351
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 4: on the table in terms of what Detroit was doing

1352
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 4: with Chicago was doing this, this and this, whatever the

1353
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 4: case may be. Whatever we was like, man, if you

1354
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 4: don't get on you say, I'm saying, like we were crazy, man,

1355
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna listen, We're gonna miss this, but

1356
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 4: this is the right thing to do. I'm saying, like,

1357
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 4: this is this is you know, we can keep rocking

1358
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 4: it still be us, but this is it.

1359
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1360
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 4: So that was the first piece that kind of like

1361
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 4: and then you talk about the chouncy trade, right, So

1362
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 4: at that point, everything just start trickling down. And then obviously,

1363
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 4: you know, you get to you know, like you said,

1364
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 4: she ripped me.

1365
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, man, I'm the last man standing.

1366
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: Like you said, I know they coming in the it

1367
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: what was going on?

1368
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 4: And then you know we're struggling, you know what I'm saying,

1369
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 4: And I obviously say at that point we're not making

1370
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 4: a playoffs no more and stuff like that. So man,

1371
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 4: everything just start trickling down from there.

1372
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 3: To see this landscape of the business. Now all you

1373
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 3: known is Detroit. So now you you go to Memphis,

1374
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 3: then you go Boston, then you go to to you

1375
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 3: don't really know this.

1376
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: Side of the league.

1377
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 3: You hear about it and you see you see it

1378
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 3: from other guys and so forth on go to Minnesota,

1379
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:51,479
Speaker 3: you know.

1380
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: To end your career.

1381
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: But you you started off, like you say, you started

1382
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 3: off so high and then it's like it trickled down

1383
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 3: the low. Seemed like every organization you're going to, it's

1384
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,479
Speaker 3: kind of starting over or bringing you in to play

1385
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 3: a not really a significant role, but just a veteran role,

1386
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 3: just to get guys because they know you're a champion

1387
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 3: and you carry yourself on and off the court a

1388
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 3: certain way. How was that for you to really get

1389
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: into the business of Like I'm in these organizations, we

1390
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 3: ain't even talking about my value for real, Like you're

1391
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 3: bringing me in for something totally different than what I'm thinking.

1392
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 4: So it's interesting because like I think, like my sixth

1393
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 4: year in Detroit started my sixth year, I was in

1394
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 4: trade rumors. Yeah, like six, seven, eighth, ninth, I was

1395
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 4: always in trade rooms, trading room. Train that got traded

1396
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 4: geat my eleventh year and Detroit it's crickets. I ain't

1397
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 4: talking about nothing. I get traded, right, you see what

1398
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 4: I'm saying. How I go. I get traded at Memphis.

1399
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 4: And the crazy thing about it, or the good thing

1400
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 4: was when I got traded to Memphis, they're a good team.

1401
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 4: They were good. They had just traded Rudy Gay in

1402
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 4: that trade. It probably was to cost control, move money wise,

1403
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 4: whatever case may be. And when I got there totally

1404
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 4: different because like I've been in they trade for all

1405
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 4: that time and only knew one thing. But I was

1406
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 4: a VET, so I knew how to adapt quickly.

1407
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 2: Right.

1408
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 4: It was one of those scenarios where like, okay, we

1409
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 4: got sheet Middle midway through. I'm looking at my scenarios

1410
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 4: midway through for Memphis, right, so now I'm fitting in

1411
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 4: with z bos at Tha, Mike Conley, Marcasol right in

1412
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 4: that team and we get to the conference finals, lose

1413
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 4: to guess who the Spurs, But it was the furthest

1414
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 4: that Memphis had been in their program history, the organization.

1415
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 4: So I got there just trying to do the same thing,

1416
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 4: like just plug in, see what they need me to do,

1417
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 4: whatever the case may be, how you want me to

1418
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 4: fit and all that stuff, because you know, when you

1419
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 4: you know, you get traded to a different team, they're

1420
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 4: trying to incorporate you into what they're doing. But also

1421
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 4: at the same time, you're trying to see.

1422
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: How you can fit in.

1423
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 4: You know, what can I do here that, whatever casey be.

1424
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 4: So I was just trying to just fit in, and

1425
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 4: you know, Tia was already you know, top notch defense

1426
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 4: on one side. Now I'm on the other side. So

1427
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 4: it was kind of like, okay, we got the interior

1428
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 4: presence of you know, Mark and Zach posting it, you

1429
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying and doing offensively, you know, Mike

1430
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 4: running the show, pick and roll stuff like that, and

1431
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 4: me and t A was just kind of holding the

1432
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 4: ford down on the defensive side, perimeter and stuff like that.

1433
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 2: So great team.

1434
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 4: But then you know, once I left Memphis and started

1435
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 4: to go in the other place, then all of a sudden,

1436
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 4: that was a transition period. It's like, okay, you the

1437
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 4: VEG what I'm saying, you the VET come come over

1438
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 4: here and help mentor and all that kind of stuff.

1439
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 4: And at that time, I still had time left to play,

1440
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But you get on these

1441
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 4: teams and there's you know, young guys and you're the

1442
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 4: older guy, and it's like they're looking at you to

1443
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 4: do that, but you know, we're looking at it, like

1444
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 4: do it. I can still play, like you know what

1445
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So you go through that transition, man, where

1446
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 4: it's tough.

1447
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 5: Like you know, I worked for the Pistons four years

1448
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 5: their organization and respect the history. Like, Bro, they bring

1449
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 5: these dudes back so much, like I want to ask

1450
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 5: you like speaking of that, and like he say, it's

1451
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 5: all of them. It don't be like, oh, it'd be

1452
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 5: like nine ten dudes up there, the whole squad, and

1453
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 5: somebody ain't there. They had some real shit to do

1454
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 5: or something. You know what I'm saying, Like, how do

1455
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 5: that feel? Like that's kind of like your NBA home,

1456
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying, when you go there

1457
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 5: the Principal Palace, Like you know what I'm saying, that's

1458
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 5: that was like one of the hardest things when they

1459
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 5: do the starting lineup and you know what I'm saying, Like,

1460
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 5: and every time, like I was dead a couple of

1461
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 5: times when they brought say and them back and they

1462
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 5: do that, but then they bring y'all Like talk about

1463
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 5: how that feel every time you get to go back,

1464
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 5: and like it's kind of like a mini family reunion

1465
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 5: with your guys and then obviously the fans just the

1466
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 5: extended family.

1467
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: And they go nuts every single time for sure. Man.

1468
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 4: That that was always that was always huge, man, in

1469
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 4: terms of like I said, even going back to when

1470
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 4: we were playing like even before we're playing, the bad

1471
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 4: Boys would come to our games, playoff game support this,

1472
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 4: that talk to us after the game, all that stuff.

1473
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 4: Obviously Rick mchorne was doing radio and all that stuff.

1474
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 4: Bill Lambier was like, Vinnie Johnson was doing something, Grant Launch,

1475
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 4: Like we had so many people that was part of it.

1476
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 4: But then when we got done, like you said, they

1477
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 4: were doing so many things, whether it was ten year anniversary,

1478
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 4: five year, this, fifteen year, this, we just did the

1479
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 4: twenty year. This brought us back for the closing of

1480
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 4: the palace. Like there was just so many different things,

1481
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 4: and every time we came, man, just Motor City was

1482
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 4: just you know, just crazy, you know, just just supporting

1483
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 4: us man that Blue Cotton City man, which is always

1484
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 4: big time for us.

1485
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 2: So that support was always there.

1486
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 4: So it always gives us the opportunity to every time

1487
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 4: they do something, just keep coming back, keep coming back,

1488
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 4: because that city was always there for us.

1489
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,520
Speaker 1: You played for a few teams.

1490
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 3: If you had to put four other players that played

1491
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 3: with you and make an ultimate five out of all

1492
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 3: the teammates you ever had in the NBA, who.

1493
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: Would beat them four.

1494
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: For other players of my team, No, just any team

1495
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 2: play for any team. I didn't play.

1496
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 3: Minnesota, Celtis, Detroit. If you had to pick four players

1497
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 3: out of all the teammates, you had to make your

1498
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 3: ultimate fire.

1499
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: Who would bet on four plub.

1500
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 4: The guys that started with in Detroit. I knew he

1501
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 4: was about to say that. Literally, I knew that it's

1502
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 4: not even close like you want. You won't switch being

1503
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 4: for Zebo or nothing, not even close exact five, not

1504
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 4: even close that exact five. And once again it goes

1505
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 4: to ain't about talent that kind of It ain't about

1506
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 4: the chemistry, the focus, the commitment for one another and

1507
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 4: all that stuff. It just wasn't close. Yeah, I played

1508
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 4: with other guys this, this and that, whatever the case

1509
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 4: may be. But that group just there was nobody close. Now,

1510
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 4: when I got to Memphis, Mark Mike Zebo t a

1511
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 4: like we was tight, But we wasn't as tight as

1512
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 4: this group was in terms of off the court, on

1513
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 4: the court, all that were just we were all one man.

1514
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 4: It was you know, like you said, man, every time

1515
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 4: you saw us, we was always together.

1516
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: Start bench, trade got start one bench one.

1517
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: See y'all trying to get me in trouble in trade one.

1518
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,480
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm gonna do small forwards.

1519
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul Pierce, T Mac, damn KD. Who do you start? Trade?

1520
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 2: Man?

1521
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 4: Y'all throwing me under the bus, you said, he said,

1522
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 4: Paul T Mac and KD, KD.

1523
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: Small Ford edition.

1524
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's small forded dish Man. You listen, man, like

1525
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 2: it's crazy you.

1526
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 4: Brought up those guys because those three guys was like

1527
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 4: including a couple of others, like the hardest guys to

1528
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 4: guard for me, especially KD because when KD started reaching

1529
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 4: his prime, I was you know what I mean? So

1530
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 4: now I'm getting a young KD. And like when I

1531
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 4: got trade at Memphis, I was thirty three and we're

1532
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 4: playing Oklahoma City in the playoffs.

1533
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: You feel me?

1534
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 4: So I would go, I would start KD. I would

1535
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 4: bench peep heers and I know what I'm saying it

1536
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 4: because I love TAMAC too.

1537
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 2: Trade.

1538
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I trade team Man and I love Team ac Man.

1539
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 4: I actually played here with Team Mac too, but we

1540
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 4: didn't talk about TM. Mac was like my first test

1541
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 4: in the league in terms of playoffs, right like us,

1542
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 4: Team Max is my guy, and I know it don't

1543
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 4: sound like that I just traded him, but nah, because

1544
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 4: we played a year in Detroit and all that kind

1545
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 4: of stuff. But my like, nah, those three dudes. Man

1546
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 4: was so so hard to guard in the league. And

1547
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 4: then you know, Paul I grew up playing against you know.

1548
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 1: High schools.

1549
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: Step back, Matt Pete, Pierce.

1550
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 4: Man was damn there, the same size everything that you

1551
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 4: see when he played it in his career as he

1552
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 4: was in freaking high school. Same footwork, same everything he

1553
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 4: was doing in the league.

1554
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 5: You do it doing high school's sid Hey, when you

1555
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 5: got that bag though, you know you out of Compton,

1556
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 5: straight out of Compton, I only hear about taking care

1557
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 5: of mom or pops or no houses.

1558
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: You know, I want to know some fantastic stuff.

1559
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: You did.

1560
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 5: What you did when you first got that bag, got

1561
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 5: a little comfortable something you look back now, oh to table,

1562
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 5: like what the hell you was doing?

1563
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 2: Like, but you but you did that. It was it

1564
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 2: was awesome when you did it.

1565
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy, man, I didn't do a whole

1566
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 4: lot of anything man, in terms of like you know,

1567
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 4: like you just mentioned that not to talk about but

1568
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 4: got mom, the car, mom, the house, you know, stuff

1569
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 4: like that. Everything else. Man, I was just trying to

1570
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 4: say chilling. You know, we grew up with nothing, man.

1571
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 4: So I'm just like, I don't need it, you know

1572
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 4: what I mean. I don't need to spend. I don't

1573
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 4: need to do So I wasn't really I wasn't really

1574
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 4: doing anything, man Like.

1575
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 2: I just was just my all.

1576
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 4: My boys tell me all the time, said, man, when

1577
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 4: the Daytai leaders Earth, Man, this money's gonna be in

1578
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 4: this cast.

1579
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, you know he don't.

1580
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 5: He don't buy nothing, you don't spend nothing.

1581
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 2: Wrong with that? Wrong with that?

1582
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 3: Did you know that you're the longest starting in consecutive

1583
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,520
Speaker 3: games in history and NBA history.

1584
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 5: In terms of consecutive playoffs starts? You got playoffs playoffs.

1585
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,959
Speaker 3: Starts got one hundred and seventy six second of playoffs

1586
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 3: start the longest in NBA.

1587
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 2: He didn't know that.

1588
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 4: The only thing I knew was I set a record

1589
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 4: in the playoffs for the most games playing in playoffs

1590
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 4: to start a career, which was Byron Scott had the

1591
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 4: record for the you know, I see the Lakers was

1592
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 4: going to you know.

1593
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 1: You need to add that to the list.

1594
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 3: Man, to tell the family and the kids, what's up

1595
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 3: many one hundred and seventy six.

1596
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 4: The one thing, executive I'll tell you this. The one

1597
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 4: thing that I always valued in playing the game or

1598
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 4: just trying to play to show my teammates, the organization, whatever.

1599
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: The biggest thing I.

1600
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 4: Tried to do is just be available available. I don't

1601
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 4: care how bad I play, how good I play. You

1602
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 4: know how many games we play. We're gonna play good,

1603
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 4: We're gonna play bad. That's you can do. I just

1604
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 4: want to be available. So that's why I was able

1605
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 4: to play all those games. I think the first game

1606
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 4: I missed was like in my ninth year. You know,

1607
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 4: didn't miss no high school, no college games. You know

1608
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So I just wanted to be available

1609
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 4: because Bridges, that's you know, I'm serious, man, Like when

1610
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 4: I be watching the game and this and all that,

1611
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 4: and I see Michael out there, I'll be likeable.

1612
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,520
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm saying, go along with be available.

1613
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 3: Up what you think about like you had a core

1614
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 3: group and then they being left and then it just

1615
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 3: started dismailing. Once you think about Klay Thompson leaving that

1616
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,839
Speaker 3: dynasty in Golden State and going to the MAVs.

1617
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 4: Obviously reading the reports and what's out there, obviously hadn't

1618
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 4: taught to Clay or anybody, whatever the case may be.

1619
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 4: But you know, it sounds like they offered him something.

1620
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 4: He was disappointed in that offer, so he shut it down.

1621
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 4: Just wanted to focus on basketball and just hoop and

1622
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 4: all the rumblings about they can't come to the contract,

1623
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 4: whatever the case may be. So you know, it's one

1624
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 4: of those situations, just like with Ben Right, I'm sure Clay,

1625
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 4: Steph dre coach Kerr, like they all got together once

1626
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 4: that thing was over, probably had a conversation, right, just

1627
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 4: like anything else, had a conversation. You don't have a

1628
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 4: conversation with your boys, and you know, you're it might

1629
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 4: have been somebody else with the Warriors that you know

1630
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 4: that's been there a long time, just had that conversation,

1631
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 4: just to put everything out there on the table. They

1632
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 4: probably heard Clay. He probably heard them and then made

1633
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 4: whatever decision that was best. And I'm sure they probably

1634
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 4: you know, once he probably told them, hey him out.

1635
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, They just you know, man,

1636
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 4: love you like a bro, this this and this whatever

1637
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 4: the case may be. But you hate to see that happen, right,

1638
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 4: You hate to see that, especially what he done for

1639
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 4: that organization. You know, him and Dre Steph. Man, you

1640
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 4: want to see them doing hire Yeah, the Golden State, right,

1641
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 4: just like obviously we don't have the championships they have

1642
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 4: and you know the success that they have. But I'm

1643
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 4: sure most of the people would like to see the

1644
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 4: fire that I played with the four of our guys

1645
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,799
Speaker 4: I played with the Detroit Man. Who cares what happens

1646
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 4: from here on out? Man, What they did for the city,

1647
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 4: what they did and how they played the game and

1648
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 4: this and that let it rock, you know what I'm saying.

1649
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 4: But you know what Clay and stuff has done for

1650
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 4: the game, you know, and Dre and those guys. To

1651
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 4: see that breakup, Man, it's super unfortunate for the league, man,

1652
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 4: for the league, but for him new Chapter, you know

1653
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And sure his boys is pulling for him,

1654
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 4: the league it is pulling for him, you know. I

1655
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 4: mean to go out there and do his thing and

1656
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 4: and go from there.

1657
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: Bro uh no q feel this way too.

1658
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 2: Man.

1659
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 3: We appreciate you, man, because we got an opportunity to

1660
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 3: watch your whole journey and where you became, where you started,

1661
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 3: from where you're at now. Man, we go way back,

1662
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 3: like I can, I really just remember them days of

1663
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 3: seeing you in Nike camp and just all that stuff. Man,

1664
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 3: We appreciate you. You come to rock with us. Man,

1665
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 3: appreciate you all. No man appreciate you.

1666
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 1: See you, man, you're on the same page.

1667
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 2: Man.

1668
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: That's when we love it.

1669
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 2: Bro. No man appreciate y'all.

1670
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 4: Man. We all got different journeys, man, but at the

1671
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 4: end of the day, you know, once we go our

1672
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 4: separate ways, there's always that respect level you're feeling it

1673
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 4: no matter what. You know what I'm saying. We all

1674
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 4: know that grind that it takes to get what we got.

1675
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. You know, everybody who's on

1676
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 4: the outside looking in don't know. They don't know what's

1677
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 4: behind closed doors, man, but we know we know what

1678
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 4: it takes.

1679
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 2: Man.

1680
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 4: So man, it's a pleasure to come on to this

1681
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 4: man and be a part of this man. Thanks for

1682
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 4: having me on here, man, and blessing to y'alls. Y'all

1683
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 4: continue to do this thing.

1684
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: Sir Tayshawan Prince tap in him.

1685
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,840
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1686
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1687
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1688
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