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Speaker 1: Pushkin.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, it's Paul muldoon. Before we get to this episode,

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be driving up to Liverpool in my

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Speaker 4: brand new Aston Martin, going too fast.

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Speaker 3: But with the radio. There was this play that caught

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Speaker 3: my ears.

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Speaker 5: The shit a bump out of order and you all

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Speaker 5: have you deep brain.

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Speaker 3: Ubu cuckoo I was. I really liked it.

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Speaker 5: It's not functioning at all, it's broken.

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Speaker 3: Down because it was so rebellious.

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Speaker 5: What a dirty business like your deep braining machine.

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Speaker 3: I just love this character, Ubu.

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Speaker 6: I'm not afraid of that.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing like a sewage barrel.

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Speaker 3: I liked hund me my shitter pump, may Ubu.

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Speaker 4: I thought that is good shit, a pump and just

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Speaker 4: the image that conjured up. It is always little dirty

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Speaker 4: things appeal to me. When when people are rude and.

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Speaker 3: I say, I went up the whole of the journey

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Speaker 3: listening to this.

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Speaker 5: Barrel pumpkin refuse of humanity.

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Speaker 2: I'm Paul Mulder for a while now, I've been fortunate

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Speaker 2: to spend time with one of the greatest songwriters of

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Speaker 2: our era, and.

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Speaker 3: Will you look at me, I'm going on to I'm

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Speaker 3: actually a performer.

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Speaker 2: That is Sir Paul McCartney. We worked together on a

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Speaker 2: book looking at the lyrics of more than one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty of his songs, and we recorded many hours

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Speaker 2: of our conversations.

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Speaker 4: It was like going back to an old snapshot album

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Speaker 4: looking back on work I hadn't ever analyzed.

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Speaker 2: This is McCartney, a life in lyrics, a masterclass, a memoir,

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Speaker 2: and an improvised journey with one of the most iconic

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Speaker 2: figures in popular music. In this episode, Maxwell's Silver Hammer.

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Speaker 3: To B B be E minor A seven D B

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a story song, you know, It's one of

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Speaker 4: my story songs. And I think I'm kind of unique

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Speaker 4: at Georgie, songs are always very auto biographical. It's very

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Speaker 4: something he thinks, My sweet lord, you know, here comes

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Speaker 4: the sun and Mine's influenced I think by that period

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Speaker 4: of intense literature. This is why I do story songs

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Speaker 4: where someone is making a writer is putting himself in

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Speaker 4: the position of a person. It's the imagination that I like.

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Speaker 4: So with things like lax and Slamma, I like the

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Speaker 6: Jos quisical, sturdy batter, physical sign late night song along

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Speaker 2: The lyric studied Pataphysical Science in the Home is a

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Speaker 2: Alfred Jarry, whose play Ubu Kokou McCartney heard on his

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Speaker 4: I got round to Jari and pataphysics and I had

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Speaker 5: Remember that you are addressing a celebrated pataposition. Excuse me, sir,

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Speaker 5: you said pataposition. Pataphysics is a branch of science which

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Speaker 3: Need is generally experienced.

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Speaker 5: Oh but you see, if you're a famous inventor, we'll

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Speaker 3: For between great men, I let.

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Speaker 5: Our more modesty, sir. Besides, I see no great man

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Speaker 4: I was just fascinated by the surrealism of it and

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Speaker 6: Joan was quizical, sturdy batter physical science like.

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Speaker 4: The way be study part of physical science in the home. Yes,

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Speaker 4: in science in the Home is almost like a title,

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Speaker 4: So I like this. And then when it's like all

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Speaker 6: Late nights, all alone with a test tube.

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Speaker 1: Well, the test tube, of course at that point the

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Speaker 3: On some burders, all those wonderful things.

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Speaker 6: Maxwell Edison majorine in medicine, Can I take you out

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Speaker 2: And Joe, the name of the song's anti hero, might

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Speaker 4: As I loved quizical by the physical Maxwell.

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Speaker 6: Edison Major Edison puls Can I take you out of

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Speaker 2: When the Beatles were recording Maxwell's Silver Hammer and the

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Speaker 2: It's called the milk synthesizer.

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Speaker 4: But it took a little longer than our normal songs

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Speaker 6: She's scary.

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Speaker 2: Ready on the As we get to the chorus of

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Speaker 4: And so now you know this is like noir cinema noir.

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Speaker 4: And he's a doctor studying medicine student, medical student.

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Speaker 3: But now he's going to kill a swell that she

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Speaker 1: It's serial murderer in some ways.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a serial murderer. And now we've whoa.

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Speaker 4: We now got into a much darker world.

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Speaker 6: School again, Max replays the pool again. The teacher against annoyed,

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Speaker 6: wishing to avoid an unpleasant scene, she tells Max to

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Speaker 4: Writing fifty times, I must not be so fifty lines

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Speaker 3: I was often in detention.

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Speaker 7: I must not be so or whatever. It was so naughty,

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Speaker 6: When she turns it back on, the boy dreams up

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: To accentuate the shock of the deadly silver hammer, the

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Speaker 2: it's contested Ringo Starr likely did all the percussion for

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Speaker 2: the recording, including that anvil. However, it was Mel Evans,

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Speaker 2: the band's tour manager, who banged the hammer in rehearsals.

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Speaker 6: Bang Bang Maxwell Silver saw that she was dead taking

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Speaker 7: I mean is in Bang Bang Maxwell's silver hammer. It's

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Speaker 3: Remember that thing? Is that part of what strength? Yes,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. To me, the silver hammer is like

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Speaker 3: a medical thing. Okay, it's ominous.

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Speaker 1: I see, like the kind of thing used to knock

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking like sort of chrome in my head, you know,

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Speaker 1: Medical students got just sort of crow hammer.

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Speaker 3: To it is extremely violent. But that's that's the thing,

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Speaker 3: isn't it Like surrealism? That's what happens.

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Speaker 4: You get a very ordinary scene and then bang, it's

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Speaker 4: a dramatic device as well. You know so, and I

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Speaker 4: it is a comedy.

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Speaker 6: See thirty one said we go to dirty one. Maxwell

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Speaker 6: stands painting testimonial pictures.

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Speaker 4: You know PC thirty one. There was a PREC forty

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was a character.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that in?

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Speaker 3: I think it was possibly on the radio. I remember

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Speaker 3: that PC and.

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Speaker 4: Leave instructions at the death that I want to see

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Speaker 4: PC forty nine as soon as he comes on tomorrow,

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Speaker 4: I will say.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me, sage this sage and sent me out with

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Speaker 5: this message for the DDI What did it come from?

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Speaker 2: The Adventures of PC forty nine was a popular post

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Speaker 2: war radio series produced by the BBC. The show followed

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Speaker 2: the everyday sleuthing of Police Constable Archibald Berkley Willoughby as

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Speaker 2: he investigated cheating gamblers and other crimes on the cold

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Speaker 2: streets of London.

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Speaker 1: Say what have the police raid this place?

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Speaker 5: I want so still we've got even that organized a

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Speaker 2: This old time noir radio show might have inspired the character,

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Speaker 2: gallery and setting of McCartney's song.

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Speaker 6: And those Valerie screaming from the gallery, say him muscufa.

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Speaker 6: The judge does not agree, and he tells them.

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Speaker 4: Souls rose and Valerie screaming from the gallery, you mus

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Speaker 4: go free. So, I mean, he's got his supporters and

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Speaker 4: it's like, oh, don't support him too much, girls, because he'll.

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Speaker 3: Kill you, you know. So it's a little bit on us,

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Speaker 6: Leaving his lips. The noise comes from behind him.

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Speaker 3: I like the idea of playing with them. I like

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Speaker 3: the idea of giving him.

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Speaker 1: A story, are saying what they come up with, I suppose.

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Speaker 4: You know, and then you know, putting Valerie in the gallery.

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Speaker 8: It's such a joyous song. I mean it has this

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Speaker 4: You know, it's tongue in cheek. You know that it's

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Speaker 4: of joy of it. It's like a children's nursery rhyme

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Speaker 3: It's a big tradition of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: You know, nursery rhymes are always chopping off people's heads,

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Speaker 4: or Humpty Dumpty is always chopping and cracking.

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Speaker 3: So there is this thing, boy, we can like because

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Speaker 4: In a safe place, and we can enjoy the macabre

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Speaker 2: There's certainly a mix of playfulness and darkness at the

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Speaker 2: core of Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Despite the lightheartedness of the melody,

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Speaker 2: the band's recording sessions for the song weren't quite so light.

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Speaker 2: The other three Beatles publicly said they didn't like the track.

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Speaker 2: Ringo Starr even said it was the worst song they

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Speaker 3: And I was very keen on it. It took a

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Speaker 4: I remember the guys getting pissed with me occasionally, I

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Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you about how at

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Speaker 9: Recording sessions were always good because no matter what our

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Speaker 9: personal troubles were, no matter what was sort of going

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Speaker 9: down a minute, we sat down to make a song,

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Speaker 9: we were good, well done boys. Our sort of skills

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Speaker 3: That on base or piano or whatever. So there was

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Speaker 3: a great joy that.

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Speaker 2: See Maxwell's silver Hammer from the beatles nineteen sixty nine

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Speaker 2: album Abbey Road.

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Speaker 1: In the next episode.

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Speaker 3: Day Keenooconai were.

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Speaker 6: Now It ex is though that he.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday one of the most covered songs in music history.

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Speaker 3: Yesday.

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Speaker 2: Suddenly that's next time on McCartney A Life in Lyrics.

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