1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: Good morning. 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Carroll and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 3: stories we're following today. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: Karen, The rise in futures comes in part on signs 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: the US will avoid a government shutdown. That's because Senate 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer is opted not to block a 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: Republican spending bill. The decision was made despite a growing 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: number of Democrats wanting to use their limited leverage to 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: restrain Elon Musk's cost cutting efforts. Addressing the Senate, Schumer 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: explained why he decided to walk back the threat of 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: a shutdown. 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 4: A shutdown would give Donald Trump an Elon Musk carte 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 4: blanche to destroy vital government services at a significantly faster 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 4: rate than they can right now. 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 2: Republicans likely need seven other Democrats to join Schumer, who 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't say if there were now enough votes within his 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: party to overcome a fellibuster. 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 3: Well, Stephen. The lift of the markets this morning comes 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: after the S and P five hundred slipped into correction territory. 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 3: The index is down ten percent from its all time high. 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: The tech heavy Nasdaq one hundred index is also in 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: a correction and the Dow Jones Industrial average is nine 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: point three percent below its last record in December. Lauren Goodwin, 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: the chief market strategist at New York Life, says tariff 26 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: worries are rattling Wall Street, but there is no. 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 5: Doubt that the volatility that we've seen in the market 28 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 5: over the last couple of weeks is about policy uncertainty. 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 5: It's not about economic fundamentals. And what's so interesting about 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 5: that is typically when we see drawdowns of this size, 31 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 5: it's the other way around. There's a concern implicit in 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 5: the economy about growth or employment, et cetera. This time 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 5: it's uncertainty causing the concerns about growth and employment. 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: New York Lives Lauren Goodwin believes markets will remain volatile 35 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: until some of the policy uncertainty clears. 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: Investors are the most bullish on tree treasuries relative to 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: stocks for at least three years. That's the findings of 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: the latest Bloomberg Markets Live Pulse survey. US bonds are 39 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: expected to deliver a better volatility adjusted return over the 40 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: next month than equities, according to a survey of more 41 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: than five hundred market participants conducted this week, and it's 42 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: not even close, with seventy seven percent backing treasuries. That's 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: the highest level ever in the survey data going back 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: to twenty twenty two. 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: Well Steven. Former Treasury Secretary Stephen Manuchen advised investors not 46 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: to overreact to the current sell off inequities and discounts 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: risks of a US recession. In an interview with Bloomberg, 48 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: Manuchin attributes the market correction to a natural correction in 49 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: the market fueled by massive tech spending. 50 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 6: We came in with the market being fully priced, so 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 6: I think a five to ten percent correction on the 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 6: s and per the NESTAC actually makes sense. The market's 53 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 6: been really fueled by massive amounts of tech spending, particularly 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 6: around AI. So some of this is a natural correction 55 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 6: in the market, and some of this is the market 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 6: worrying about tariffs and the impact on tariffs. 57 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: Former Treasury Secretary Stephen Manuchin also discounted risks of a 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: US recession. To hear the full conversation, get the Bloomberg 59 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: Talks podcast or watch it live on the Bloomberg podcast 60 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: page on YouTube. 61 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: Karen as for the global trade war. President Trump is 62 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: threatening a two hundred percent tariff on European wine, champagne, 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: and other alcoholic beverages. Trump says he'll impose the tariffs 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: if the European Union does not immediately remove its countermeasures 65 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: against his twenty five percent tariffs on steel and aluminum. 66 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: In an interview heard right here on Bloomberg Radio, Commerce 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: Secretary Harold Lutnik says the EU duties are disrespectful. 68 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 7: The President has made it crystal clear that he finds 69 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 7: this tit for tat really abusive and aggravating. Right, his 70 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 7: objective is steel and aluminum tariffs. Let him build his 71 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 7: steel and aluminum business in America, because that's import. 72 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: Commerce Secretary Harold Lutnik added he's thankful the UK and 73 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: Mexico refrained from engaging in tit for tat tariff hikes 74 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: and weren't trading partners that upset President Donald Trump opened 75 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: themselves to severe reaction. 76 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 3: Well, Stephen, the president of the European Central Bank, is 77 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: warning of severe global fallout from a trade war with 78 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: the US. Here's what Christine Laguard told the BBC. 79 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 8: If we were to go to a real trade war 80 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 8: where trade would be dumpened significantly, that would have severe consequences. 81 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 8: It would not be calls for concern. It would be 82 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 8: severe consequences as growth around the world and for prices 83 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 8: around the world, but particularly in the United States, but. 84 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 9: Also in Europe. 85 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 10: It would push Europe into recession. 86 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 9: Wouldn't they. 87 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 8: You know what it's doing at the moment, stirring European energy. 88 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 8: It's a big wake up call for Europe. Maybe this 89 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 8: is a European moment yet again. 90 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: And the Guard also told the BBC that Brussels had 91 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 3: no choice but to retaliate against the following its decision 92 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: to implement twenty five percent tariffs on global steel and 93 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: aluminium imports. 94 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: Well, Karen, if investors think the FAD will step in 95 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: if tariff's damage the economy, they may be wrong. That's 96 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: according to former New York Fed President William Dudley. 97 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 11: I think the problem is that clares are bad for 98 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 11: growth and bed for inflation, which puts the FED in 99 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 11: a buying Basically, they're missing by more on both sides 100 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 11: of their mandate. So I think in the near term 101 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 11: the Feds could basically be on hold waiting for more information. 102 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: Well Dudley, now Bloomberg opinion columnist, says the FED could 103 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: be in a bind if tariffs lead to slower growth 104 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: and higher inflation expectations. Read more in his latest column 105 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: at Bloomberg dot com slash opinion or opi and go 106 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: on the Bloomberg terminal. 107 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: Well, now, Stephen, we have the latest on the war 108 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: in Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin says he wants to 109 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: discuss a proposed ceasefire in Ukraine with President Trump. However, 110 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: Putin said any truce should lead to a long term 111 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: resolution of the war. Trump says he hopes that Russia 112 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: agrees to the ceasefire deal. 113 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 12: We're talking about humanity, We're not talking about the money. 114 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 12: But then you add the money to it, and you know, 115 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 12: hundreds of billions of dollars is being spent and really wasted, 116 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 12: so unnecessarily it should have never happened. 117 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the US is titaned sanctions on Russia by restricting 118 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: payments for energy, even as it pursues peace negotiations with Putin. 119 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: Time now for a look at some of the other 120 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: stories making news in New York and around the world. 121 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 3: For that were joined by Bloomberg's Michael Barr or Michael 122 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 3: good morning. 123 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 10: Good morning. Karen, an American Airlines passenger Jed diverted to 124 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 10: Denver after reporting engine vibrations last evening. The plane landed safely, 125 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 10: but while taxing to the gate, an engine caught fire. 126 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 10: Passengers were evacuated using the aircraft's slides, including this woman. 127 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 11: It was just a bunch of panicky people around me, 128 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 11: and the gentleman right next to me was a fireman, 129 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 11: so he was trying to calm everybody down. 130 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 10: The FAA says an investigation is under. Columbia University says 131 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 10: it has expelled or suspended some students who took over 132 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 10: a campus building during pro Palestinian protests last spring, and 133 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 10: temporarily revoked the diploma diplomas of some students who have 134 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 10: since graduated. The university said in a campus wide email 135 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 10: that its judicial board brought a range of sanctions against 136 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 10: dozens of students who occupied Hamilton Hall based on its 137 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 10: evac evaluation of the severity of behaviors. Meanwhile, New York 138 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 10: City police arrested almost one hundred protesters after demonstrators from 139 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 10: a Jewish group filled the lobby of Trump Tower on 140 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 10: Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. They are protesting the ice arrest 141 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 10: of Columbia grad student Makmud Khalil. He organized a pro 142 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 10: Palestinian demonstration against Israel at Columbia last year. The demonstrators 143 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 10: from Jewish Voice for Peace or Red Shirts reading Jews 144 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 10: say stop arming Israel. In YPD Chief John Shell. 145 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 13: In two hours, what our secret service pond is in? 146 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 13: Trump Security had this situation cleared up. 147 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 14: With no issues. 148 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 10: Audio courtesy of News for There were tense exchanges when 149 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 10: Republican Congressman Chuck Edwards return to his North Carolina district 150 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 10: for a town hall with constituents. Many presidents say they 151 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 10: are not happy with Republicans and President Trump with how 152 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 10: they are running the country. We've got a lot to 153 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 10: be proud of in this country. 154 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 14: I happen to agree with a lot of the things 155 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 14: that's going. 156 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 9: On in Washington, DC right now. 157 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 10: I know many of you are not. Congressman Edwards face 158 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 10: questions from people including possible cuts to Social Security, federal layoffs, 159 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 10: and Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency. Global News twenty 160 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 10: four hours a day and whenever you want it with 161 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 10: Bloomberg News Now now, Michael Barn, this is Bloomberg. 162 00:08:54,280 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 3: Karen, all right, Michael Barn, thank you. That is time 163 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 3: down for the Bloombergy Sports update brought to you by 164 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 3: Try a State Outie. Here's John stash Hower Good Friday Morning. 165 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 13: John, Good Morning, Karen March. Madness on display at several 166 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 13: conference tournaments. At the ACC, Louisville avoided an upset by 167 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 13: scoring at the buzzer to beat Stanford by two. At 168 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 13: the SEC, Kentucky scored with a half second on the 169 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 13: clock for a one point win over Oklahoma that came 170 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 13: after Texas's double overtime upset of Texas A and M. 171 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 13: There was double overtime at the Big East. Creighton trailed 172 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 13: most of the night at one point by seventeen, but 173 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 13: got by DePaul Saint John's began the day easy, went 174 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 13: over Butler seventy eight to fifty seven Red Store and 175 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 13: bring their twenty eight and four record nineteen to zero 176 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 13: at home to a semifinal game tonight at the Garden 177 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 13: against Marquette. Six days ago in Milwaukee, the Johnny's one 178 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 13: on a basket at the buzzer of overtime. Speaking of 179 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 13: ot that's where the Rangers were in Minnesota. 180 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 9: Jack Jones boots upon shop, sit back, Tanaron picks it up. 181 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 9: Baneran leaves at per Miller back to Paneron Indeed drop 182 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 9: to back, Snider pick Saboon. 183 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 13: Back, Henry's car on MSJ Brayden Schneider wins at three 184 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 13: to two after earlier goals by Vincent Trocheck and Johnny 185 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 13: Brazinski and the Rangers and their four game losing streak. 186 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 13: They also got good news when Columbus lost, The Rangers 187 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 13: and Blue Jackets tied for the last playoff spot on 188 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 13: the east of the Rangers, who played one more game. 189 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 13: Devils beat Edmonton three to two. Bruins lost in Ottawa 190 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 13: six to three. The Nets lost in Chicago won sixteen 191 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 13: to one, ten three way time the lead. After the 192 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 13: opening round of the Players Championship. Americans Lucas Glover and 193 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 13: JJ Spahn both shot six understor did Camillo Viegas. Rory 194 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 13: mcklroy shot four under Scotty Scheffer's minus three. The Tampa 195 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 13: Bay Rays, who have long sought a new stadium, finally 196 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 13: had plans to build one for one point three billion, 197 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 13: but then came Hurricane Milton. It damaged the current home 198 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 13: Trafficcanna Field. It's the reason Ray's owner Stu Sternberg says 199 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 13: they couldn't come up with a seven hundred million dollar 200 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 13: payment that was due. The Rays have now scrapped plans 201 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 13: for the new stadium. Stashowards Bloomberg Sports Card and Stephen. 202 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast on Bloomberg Radio, nationwide on Sirius Exam 203 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 204 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business app. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 205 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: Five twelve on Wall Street. Those features pointing higher as 206 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: Senate Democrats have pulled back on their threat of a 207 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 2: government shutdown, Chuck Schumer ultimately choosing not to block the 208 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: Republican written stop gap funding Baill. Let's discuss now at 209 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: Terry Haynes, founder of Pangaea Policy. Terry, great to talk 210 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: to you. Do you see the risk of a shutdown 211 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: completely gone? 212 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 14: Now, Stephen, good morning, and no, not completely. I'll get 213 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 14: they'll usually give you five percent for lightning striking, and 214 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 14: you know, and there's also there's always a possibility that 215 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 14: enough Democrats vote here to block temporarily. But you know, 216 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 14: Schumer's abdication on this is a very positive sign and 217 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 14: kudos to him. By the way, if you've got a 218 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 14: bit at hand, the best thing to do is fold, 219 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 14: and he certainly did. 220 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: But look, is there a question of leverage being lost here? 221 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: That was part of the reasoning that some Democrats did 222 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: want to get involved in blocking this, is there is 223 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: there something the Democrats have lost and making this call. 224 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 14: You know a lot of the Democratic interest groups will 225 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 14: say that they've lost things, but I'm not so sure 226 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 14: about that. You know, you can't win and revive your 227 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 14: party without without a strong message and without unity, and 228 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 14: right now the Democrats don't have either. So much smarter 229 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 14: political play for the Democratic leader to live to fight 230 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 14: another day here, I. 231 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: Think does this project the image of unity that Chuck 232 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: Schumer wanted though, if there's going to be those on 233 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: the sidelines that we're going to complain about this decision? 234 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 14: No, well, it doesn't really project a unity message at all. 235 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 14: It projects quite the opposite that there that they're split 236 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 14: on it. You have just kind of the thin end 237 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 14: of the wedge. Here is Senator Fetterman of Pennsylvania who 238 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 14: already was going to vote with with the with the 239 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 14: Republicans on this, and there's you know, easily half the 240 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 14: caucus who thought that there were it was it was 241 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 14: better to continue to be on the side of keeping 242 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 14: the government open even with the results that they didn't 243 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 14: particularly like. 244 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 2: So this needs giving futures a bit of optimism. I 245 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: had to today's trading session, but of course the trade 246 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 2: tension still playing in the background as well. What's your 247 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 2: view on the question of escalation from here? It seems 248 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: to be all going in one direction in what sense? 249 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: Well that we're talking about Trump adding, you know, threatening 250 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: two hundred percent tariffs on European wine and champagne. You 251 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: know is are we going to see further fight back 252 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: from the EU on this? 253 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 14: Well, I think you're going to see continued tit for tat. Sure, 254 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 14: there's two kinds of tariffs here. One is the but 255 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 14: I will think I was the geopolitical tariffs Canada and 256 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 14: Mexico negotiations underway for for better border security and drugs, 257 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 14: that sort of thing. The other is the tit for 258 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 14: tet reciprocals that are probably coming in April. But you know, 259 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 14: the ultimate goal here, and I know markets aren't convinced 260 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 14: by this, but the ultimate goal here both Bessant and 261 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 14: Lutnik talked about this yesterday, are frankly to have tariffs 262 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 14: go away. The idea is to remove tariff barriers, and 263 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 14: you know, of course that benefits the United States probably 264 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 14: more than it benefits of other countries. But that's where 265 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 14: the administration is going and that's what they seek to do. 266 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: Are the winners being created from this as well? I 267 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: mean kaya Kalas, the East top diplomat, telling Bloomberg that 268 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: China's laughing at these escalations of tensions between the US 269 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: and the EU. 270 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 14: I'm always interested, you know, and I have great respect 271 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 14: for miscalous and at the same time and know very 272 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 14: well the you know that she's looking right into the 273 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 14: teeth as a bear, so to speak, in Estonia. And 274 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 14: at the same time, I think there probably needs to 275 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 14: be more of an acknowledgment from the European Union about 276 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 14: the geopolitical strategy that's implicit in the economic strategy. 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