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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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Speaker 2: Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have a double feature for you.

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Speaker 2: Is there first?

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Speaker 1: I think it is kind of like last week we

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Speaker 1: had our Toto Wolf podcast and then the bonus episode.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed that we put out

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Speaker 1: a bonus episode on our trip to France for the

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours of Lamont. Yes, this week, I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, we did see. I knew you wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: That's why I said I knew I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, do I tell him I don't actually

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Speaker 2: know that we've done that.

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Speaker 1: I knew it, so I think a lot of our

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Speaker 1: listeners might have missed it too. But yes, so we

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Speaker 1: put out a TV special. It's also on YouTube. It's

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Speaker 1: on Bloomberg dot Com, but it's on wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts as well. You can just listen to it today.

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Speaker 1: We have two pretty incredible guests. One is the producer

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Speaker 1: of Top Gun as well.

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Speaker 2: That you're your go to for Bruckheimer. Is that your instant?

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Speaker 1: I think it's his famous as of thunder.

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Speaker 2: And not Gone in sixty seconds.

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Speaker 1: I mean Armageddon. Armageddon is probably my favorite movie that

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Speaker 1: he's done.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, yealy thing that he's been a part of.

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Speaker 2: And he's eighty one and he is sharp. Yes, oh my,

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Speaker 2: he is dialed in. Yeah, it's pretty incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pretty cool. So you and I got to

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Speaker 1: sit down with him on his satellite media tour, so

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Speaker 1: not with him, but on the same kind of radio

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Speaker 1: waves and talk about his new movie, F One, the movie.

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Speaker 1: We actually just sat down with Total Wolf for an

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Speaker 1: hour as well for our podcast, and he gives you

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Speaker 1: sends you his best and said he's really impressed by

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Speaker 1: the realism of the film. Tell us how important that

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Speaker 1: was to you to get it right from you know,

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Speaker 1: from a realism aspect.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's really important. I mean, we did it with

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Speaker 3: Top Gun Maverick. We want to do it again with

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Speaker 3: F one. Took It was a four year process to

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Speaker 3: It took almost a year to make F one comfortable

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Speaker 3: our journey to make sure that Stefano. What happened is

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Speaker 3: Brad myself and Joe Kozinski, who directed the movie, flew

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Speaker 3: the movie we want to make. We want to make

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Speaker 3: sure that they actually drive the cars, our actors, and

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Speaker 3: how do we get this done. Fortunately, we had Lewis Hamilton,

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Speaker 3: who's a partner. He was terrific. He's one of the

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Speaker 3: it right. But that creates a problem because you have

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Speaker 3: Lewis Hamilton, who's at the time in Mercedes and they

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Speaker 3: But it's the only sport in the world where your

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Speaker 3: And it took us a year, but we got there,

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Speaker 4: The drivers, we interviewed everybody. Everything.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen the movie, but everything

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Speaker 3: Some of the things the antics that the drivers have pulled,

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Speaker 2: Jerry, we've seen Formula one really grow in popularity in

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Speaker 3: As I said, the first call we really made was

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Speaker 3: Take a look at him. He doesn't look like he

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Speaker 2: Jerry, Obviously, we've had some other great driving and racing

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Speaker 2: Do that when you were creating this film.

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Speaker 1: Jerry, I have not gotten a chance to see it yet.

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Speaker 3: Look for this movie. You want to see it on

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Speaker 3: it's just so experiential to be part of it.

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Speaker 4: It's a thrill.

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Speaker 3: If you want to go and have a thrill for

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Speaker 3: this is the perfect outing. It's something that's a gives

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Speaker 3: And that's what we try to do. Let's forget about everything.

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Speaker 3: And we had Aaron Kruger write the screenplay, who wrote

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Speaker 3: Top Gun Maverick, So you're gonna get the same kind

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Speaker 3: as was Toto in making this film. In fact, we

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Speaker 3: Zach are actually in the movie as a bunch of

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Speaker 3: So that was fun just being in their world. And

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Speaker 1: That was Jerry Brookheimer f one. The movie is one

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Speaker 1: that you have seen already, Hannah, And I'm going to

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Speaker 2: and I'm just so surprised. Yeah, he is not being

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Speaker 1: Well it's fair enough. Look, people talk about when women

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't love Brad Pitt because I'm in

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Speaker 2: No, well I didn't think you were.

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Speaker 1: I love his especially his like the bit roles he does,

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Wait, I just I'm sorry, I have to keep

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Speaker 1: I would say Fury probably, and I also love Inglorious

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Speaker 2: And did you watch Wolves?

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Speaker 2: I didn't even finish it. No, And apparently this is

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Speaker 1: That is, I mean, I think Brad Pitt is one

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know there was no there was not compelling.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the main thing I love about Brad

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I couldn't believe that. Tony actually told us

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was.

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Speaker 1: the Cadillac Celestique. Is that how you say it?

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Speaker 1: So I'm driving this ram truck today. He just went

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Speaker 2: See I honestly, Matt, I don't get that, because, like,

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Speaker 1: No, it's it's not just that I know it like

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Speaker 1: just it's not as doesn't have the kind of warmth

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Speaker 2: Just but see, now we're getting not that I disagree,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm just saying like, this is an interesting thing

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Speaker 2: but somehow and then you start to sound a little

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Speaker 1: You're right, No, you're right. There is one thing that

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: This is what I struggle with when I'm reviewing cars,

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Speaker 2: It's hard to convince people because until you've driven it,

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Speaker 2: you know. It's like, for instance, with McLaren's. McLaren's are

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's even happening. So I drove the

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Speaker 1: Right, No, I think it's a problem. I think it's

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Speaker 2: Honestly, you think being too I don't think too good

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Speaker 1: But you're saying that's not what I want in a vehicle, like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: You know, Well, this is getting into the realm. Two

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Speaker 1: Well's one to have a friend who has one. I

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Speaker 1: him up on that. But there is one other point

437
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Speaker 1: with the T versus the ST that I've been thinking

438
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: about a lot more lately, and that is usable power.

439
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Speaker 7: You know.

440
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Speaker 1: The the Kara Tea, I think it's a sweet spot.

441
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: It's like a little under four hundred horsepower, you know,

442
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: almost there. They did some lightweighting to it. It's got

443
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: the short throw shifter. It's so engaging, and I can

444
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: make it a ton of fun on the Bronx River Parkway.

445
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: I can take it to Bear Mountain and have an

446
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: amazing time ringing it out. You know, obviously I'm not

447
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: doing nine tenths, but I'm you know, I'm revving it

448
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: up and in the ST I don't I would love

449
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: to hear your take, but I know Magnus told me

450
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: driving down Angeli's Crest like it's just so fast you

451
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: can't get there on a US road.

452
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, did I don't know if Magnus was talking

453
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: about the ST because we haven't had that in the crest.

454
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: Did he tell you?

455
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 6: Maybe he was?

456
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm mistaken, But what do you think about that?

457
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: I mean, the idea is that these cars are too

458
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: fast to really have fun unless you're on a track.

459
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I had the ST up in like Napa Valley

460
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: close to San Francisco, winding around up there, both on

461
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: very curvy roads and on some open highway and in general,

462
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: I'm not a professional driver, so I'm not getting one

463
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: hundred percent out of any car. That's that's the truth.

464
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: I am not Sonny Hayes and Joshua Pears from F

465
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 2: one driving.

466
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a good driver.

467
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: The thing about the ST is it made me feel

468
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: like I was. It made me feel like I was

469
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: an exceptional driver, and it made me feel like I

470
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: was ringing it out and it was so fun. It

471
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: did make me feel like I was getting all of

472
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: the car. I know I wasn't, but I felt like

473
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: I was. I. Yes, that's different than something like, you know,

474
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Speaker 2: some of the upper level Ferraris or Lamborghinis or anything

475
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: else you might want to throw in there that Yeah,

476
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: I know I'm not getting. I'm getting like half of

477
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: what the car's offering, you know. So I would say

478
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: I I felt like I got all of the s

479
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: I got what I wanted.

480
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: That's what you want, that's what you want.

481
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I know I didn't, but it

482
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: made me feel like I was. It's it's great you

483
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: got to drive it.

484
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: I would love to drive it. I want to get

485
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: to Tony Roma because I did spend last week driving

486
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: in the CT five V Black Wing, and I feel

487
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 1: a little bit guilty about being so effusive about how

488
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: much I loved it.

489
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: And so why do you feel guilty in that?

490
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know, because I want to be

491
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: more skeptical and you're so good at that and become

492
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: skeptical and the end, you know, when I'm talking to him,

493
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like fanboy. I can't believe I'm finally getting

494
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: to drive this car that I've been reading about and

495
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: lusting after for so long, and it was a truly

496
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: amazing experience. I was trying to think of negatives before

497
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: we go into the interview that I could point out.

498
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: I really can't. The one thing I get stuck on

499
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: is he talks about the precision, and this car did

500
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: have the extra twenty thousand dollars precision package, and to me,

501
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: the exciting thing about it is that it didn't have

502
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: the precision of the M five. You know, it gets

503
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: a little bit squirrely when you try and put down

504
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: all the power to the two rear wheels, right, but

505
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: a little bit yeah, I mean it's a conversation. I

506
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: will say again that I'm not a very good driver,

507
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: so for me, yes.

508
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: Most people are. Most people aren't good.

509
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: And I loved that, like I get a little bit

510
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: scared when I was really pushing it in this.

511
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: Car, making you work a little bit exactly.

512
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: Yes, that that was just the most fun. The other well,

513
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: there wasn't really anything else I didn't love about it,

514
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: except for when you're changing lanes and you put on

515
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 1: a turn signal, it has the yellow thing in the mirror,

516
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: you know that shows a blinking turn signal. I like that,

517
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: but the problem is if there's a car in your

518
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: blind spot, it puts up another yellow sign right next

519
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: to the yellow thing that shows your turn signals on.

520
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: And I found it hard to differentiate between the two

521
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: exact same color yellow lights. So every time I'm changing lanes.

522
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: It freaks you out.

523
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, always to hit is something in my blind spot

524
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: because it's yellow.

525
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: And yeah, this seems to be a thing with GM,

526
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: because this week I've got the Optic, the Cadillac Optic,

527
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 2: and it has the same issue. And it's interesting that

528
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 2: you point that out because I've noticed it, but I

529
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: haven't really articulated it to myself. But you're right. It

530
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: is a little bit disconcerting because it's exactly like you say,

531
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: you could be making a completely fine pass or just

532
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: laane change, but it makes you think you're about to

533
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: hit someone that's in your blind spot, when that may

534
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: not be the case, or it might.

535
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: Be right exactly. So every time I was a little

536
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: bit hesitant, Yes, and that does take the fun out

537
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: of it.

538
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: I did find myself physically turning my head and looking

539
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: over my shoulder, you know, old school, to make sure

540
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: there was nobody back there. Because I started to not

541
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: trust the little indicator because it's like the Boy who

542
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: Cried Wolf. There were so many times that it was yellow.

543
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: I just stopped trusting it and physically looking, which you

544
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: should probably do anyway you should. But but the thing is,

545
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 2: if you're already tracking who's on the road in your

546
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: side mirrors, in your rear view mirror, you have a

547
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: pretty good idea of who's there.

548
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 7: Trust at the time.

549
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: Well, with that out of the way, let's get to

550
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: our interview with General Motors Engineer Corvette Boss Tony Roma. Tony,

551
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: I am just moved by this Cadillac CT five V

552
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: black Wing. I mean, it's it's a visceral experience in

553
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: a in a very different way than like a BMW

554
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: M five for a sedan. It's just amazing. And the

555
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: fact that you've been able to keep a manual transmission

556
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: in this car. I believe it's the only V eight

557
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: sedan in the world with a manual transmission. I think

558
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: it's the fastest car in the world that has a

559
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: manual transmission. How is it? How is it possible? How

560
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: did you do it?

561
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 7: Yeah? Boy, I appreciate all the accolades. That's the way

562
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 7: we talk about the car. So it's good that you

563
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 7: are picking up on what we're doing. I'd say a

564
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 7: long time ago we stopped, to be honest, benchmarking a

565
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 7: lot of our competitors. It was really when we started

566
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 7: on the CT five, during the generation where we had

567
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 7: the last gen of the CTSV out, everybody was going all, well, drive,

568
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 7: they were making their cars a little bigger, a little heavier,

569
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 7: and we really said, hey, that's not the character we want.

570
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 7: We want that precise, nimble, more driver engaged feel, and

571
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 7: the manual trends is such a big part of that.

572
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 7: Even though it doesn't make the car absolutely faster, as

573
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 7: you know, there's just no replacement for that connection that

574
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 7: the your whole body and to drive the car. So

575
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 7: it's really we are building cars that we want to drive.

576
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 7: And I think, you know, you kind of reference that

577
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 7: a lot of our competitors have gone away and they

578
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 7: build certainly super fast cars, but I prefer what we drive,

579
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 7: and I think it really is more comparable to maybe

580
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 7: a couple of generations ago from some of our competitors, So.

581
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: What's the waiting list, Like, I mean, are you seeing

582
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: high demand?

583
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 7: We see very high demand, and we especially see demand

584
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 7: for the higher optioned cars. The cars are coming in

585
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 7: very very well equipped. Pretty much if you want one,

586
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 7: you can get one. We've got We sell out very

587
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 7: quickly with our special additions. Last year we did a

588
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 7: special addition that had like blue carbon and was gorgeous

589
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 7: and we use this really cool metal forming technology to

590
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 7: put a graphic in the door, really really making a

591
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 7: special piece. We made a run last year and we're

592
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 7: getting ready to potentially do it again where we let

593
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 7: you choose the color of your car and customize a

594
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 7: couple of things in the interior. Our customers just eating

595
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 7: that up. So really it's a paradigm shift for us.

596
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 7: How high up the price ladder our customers really want

597
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 7: to go in. Like the third gen Rain, it was

598
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 7: a little more budget minded. Now everybody wants every car

599
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 7: dripping with carbon and just completely decked out, which is awesome,

600
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 7: and we want to build them that way. So but

601
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 7: if you really wanted to set five, you can. You

602
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 7: could probably find one out there somewhere.

603
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: And now you have the one. I'm driving now has

604
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: this Precision package. So I think it's an eighteen thousand

605
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: dollars option which changes the suspension dials. It in more

606
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: for I supposed track use, but I'm using it on

607
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, the bronx Ord Parkway, and you've got the

608
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: car carbon ceramic brakes, which are incredible. I don't know

609
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: if it's necessary for a street car, but how do

610
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: you think about the evolution of this You know, was

611
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: once less than one hundred thousand dollars, now it's one

612
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: twenty with that package, and it climbs.

613
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

614
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 7: Well, that's a great example of what I just talked about,

615
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 7: how the appetite for our customers for more. You know,

616
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 7: those were things in the tuning and the cup tires.

617
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 7: We're all part of the g Is that really what

618
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 7: our customers want? And can we demand that much price?

619
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 7: And it's been a resounding yes, And that really the

620
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 7: whole project. The Precision package came from the idea that

621
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 7: we love the precision of the CT four, but we

622
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 7: love the isolation from the CT five Black Wing, and

623
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 7: you know, kind of internally we always said, boy, wouldn't

624
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 7: it be cool if we can make a CT five

625
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 7: Black Wing as precise and nimble as the CT four

626
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 7: Black Wing. So we set our super talented vehicle integration

627
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 7: and vehicle dynamics crew to work, and they rose to

628
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 7: the challenge. I think you would agree pretty well. The

629
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 7: car is amazing. It's so sharp, it's so precise, it

630
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 7: doesn't beat you up. It's it's incredible, and yes it's

631
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 7: kind of overkill on the street, but some people like overkill.

632
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to say what you want Tony

633
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: to me, it's of course it's blisteringly fast and you

634
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: put it wherever you want it, but it also has

635
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of pucker factor, you know, like

636
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: there's just because it's rear wheel drive and it's throwing

637
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: almost seven hundred horsepower those wheels. You have to be

638
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: paying attention to drive this car. It's not something that

639
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: you necessarily want to put on autopilot, although you do

640
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: have like an autopilot function available, And that's what makes

641
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: me really fall in love with it. And it's become

642
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: not just the I mean, the interior is amazing to me.

643
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: It's so elegant. There's nothing more than what you need,

644
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: but everything that you do need. And now I'm starting

645
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: to fall in love with the design, which I hadn't

646
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: been convinced on before. Like the exterior now is starting

647
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: to get me. I sit in my driveway and just

648
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: look at it. So I think you've just nailed it

649
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: on every conceivable level with that car. And I'm just

650
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: surprised that more people don't talk about it, and that

651
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: you don't have like years long waiting lists. And there

652
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: is there some kind of cap on the production because

653
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: of the emissions. It's a super charge six point two

654
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: liters v eight right.

655
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, without going too deep in the weeds, you know,

656
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 7: we would be capped if we really tried to make

657
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 7: kind of as many as we wanted, But we're running

658
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 7: at about what we think customer demand is. I wouldn't

659
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 7: say that we're artificially lowering things very much, but we

660
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 7: would if we got a huge surgeon demand, you know,

661
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 7: five times as many people walked in and wanted them,

662
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 7: we'd have to start making decisions on portfolio level. But

663
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 7: that's not where we're at right now. And everything you

664
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 7: said about the car is just spot on. It's that

665
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 7: bi modal character the car has. It's comfortable and quiet

666
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 7: when you want to use supercrews and just just go

667
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 7: to work and just chill, and then as soon as

668
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 7: you're on some kind of road that can take it

669
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 7: and you want to twist a little bit or put

670
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 7: that power down. It does it with confidence. But I

671
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 7: agree with your comment. It's not the kind of car

672
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 7: you just mail it in and just get ham fisted

673
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 7: stand on it. It's and that's that's part of it.

674
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 7: That's part of what we like about it. It's a

675
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 7: it's a driver's car, Tony.

676
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: I have to ask, if you know, we're talking about

677
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: how amazing this black Wing is take rate as fifty

678
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: to fifty manual, which is like wildly high, why can't

679
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: put a manual in a Corvette? I mean, if it's

680
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: that popular and that great, why not just transition it

681
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: over into the real beauty of the lineup?

682
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 7: Yeah that I've obviously gotten that question before, and so

683
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 7: did tedg and Josh Holder before me.

684
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: We asked Mark Royales version.

685
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, Mark, Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people

686
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 7: get this question, and so I'll give you my version

687
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 7: of the answer. As you guys both know that we

688
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 7: work in a very capital intensive industry, and you know

689
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 7: when you work on these rearbeel drive cars, or even

690
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 7: when we had the transmission in the rear like C seven.

691
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 7: We've got that tremic, beautiful tremic to sixty sixty transmission

692
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 7: that's been around for a long time and slowly developed

693
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 7: into the beautiful thing that it is. There's no way

694
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 7: to adapt anything like that to the back of a

695
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 7: C eight. The dimensions of that car are very much

696
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 7: set up by the rear face of case to the

697
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 7: half shaft dimension of our DCT. And I mean making

698
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 7: a brand new you we'd have to make a brand

699
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 7: new transmission from scratch, and that would easily be one

700
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 7: hundred million dollar project. And everybody says they want the

701
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 7: manual transmission, and yes, it's fifty to fifty penetration on

702
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 7: a you know, two thousand a year CT five black Wing,

703
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 7: but it wouldn't be anywhere near fifty percent on a

704
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 7: forty thousand a year of Corvette. And the business case

705
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 7: just frankly doesn't make sense. So the team decided on

706
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 7: the right path and we made a fantastic dual clutch

707
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 7: transmission that tames, you know, the beast of one thousand

708
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 7: and sixty four horse power, and I'm proud of it,

709
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 7: and I think we made the right choice, and so

710
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 7: I am a card carrying manual trans Driver's painful for

711
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 7: me to give you this answer, just like it's painful

712
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 7: for you to hear. But that's that's the truth.

713
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: It's actually to me, it's not as bad. And that's

714
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: weird because I'm also such a purist normally in terms

715
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: of I want a manual transmission. I want to be

716
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: I want to be really involved in driving the car,

717
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: but for some reason I don't need it in the Corvette.

718
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: I have a blast in the Stingray. I love the

719
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: E Ray especially for some reason. The Z six is

720
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: like mind blowing just the engine alone. I haven't driven

721
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: the z R one, but obviously it's gonna be a

722
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: cruise missile we need to. But the thing is, what

723
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: is your favorite of the Corvettes, because you have those

724
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: four different offerings now, And also I wonder what is

725
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: your take, as I guess sort of an automotive purist

726
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: as well, on the E Ray because I think it's

727
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: the most underrated of them and it's just so cool

728
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: to feel that acceleration with the electric motor on the

729
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: front axle.

730
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's like three solid questions in there, so answer right,

731
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 7: So that's okay, No, no, I'll give you the patent

732
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 7: answer that my mentor, John Heinerzy always used to say

733
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 7: his favorite Corvette is the next one he's working on.

734
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 7: So that's that's sort of where my head is, you know,

735
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 7: that's my politically correct answer.

736
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: Wait, what is the next one you're working on?

737
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 7: Uh huh yeah, we'll talk about that Sunday, I promise.

738
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 6: So.

739
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

740
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 7: My My answer is I think the Z six is

741
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 7: the spiritual center of the Corvette portfolio. That is the

742
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 7: most here essence of Corvette. The Z one is just fantastic.

743
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 7: It's it's so so fast, and now the zero one

744
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 7: acts that folks haven't really had a chance as sample

745
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 7: does things that just it takes everything you love about

746
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 7: the era, all the things you were talking about about

747
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 7: the E ray, which to that point point I agree,

748
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 7: is kind of like the best kept secret in the

749
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 7: auto industry right now, that the eray. We talk to

750
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 7: a lot of folks that are sort of negative on

751
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 7: all this electrification stuff, and we have to convince them.

752
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 7: I don't know, I promise we didn't. It's not gimmicky.

753
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 7: We didn't just do this to do it, go drive

754
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 7: it it's fantastic, and then they usually come back and go,

755
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 7: oh my god, it's great. So I love the way

756
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 7: we used electrification on the Eray and now on the

757
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 7: zero one X, and I think when you guys get

758
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 7: a chance to sample that, it's so fast, it's just incredible.

759
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 7: But to me, this is I'm going to go out

760
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 7: and enjoy driving the car abscribe. Sorry memory, I'm.

761
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 4: Just going to say.

762
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: This is VR one. It's like over a thousand horsepower,

763
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 2: more than eight hundred pounds of torque, just for our listeners.

764
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 7: So yeah, the Zerru is the top zero is one thousand,

765
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 7: sixty four horse power, Yeah, exactly. And then and then

766
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 7: the zero one X is the one we just introduced.

767
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 7: It's twelve hundred and fifty horse power. We upgraded the RES,

768
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 7: the state of charge on the RES and the front

769
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 7: axle to get a little more than the rated power

770
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 7: on the e Ray. So everybody was expecting the straight

771
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 7: math edition of the Eray front axle with twenty sixty four,

772
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 7: and we kind of delayed and surprised and overachieved a

773
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 7: little bit. So twelve hundred and fifty horsepower with all

774
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 7: that front grip, it's just incredible. I mean, it's under

775
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 7: nine seconds in the quarter mile in a street legal

776
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 7: car with a warranty is something honestly never thought I'd

777
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 7: see in my lifetime. It's mind bending, it's I mean,

778
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 7: we had to get special permission to go to a

779
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 7: drag strip to certify the numbers, to run at a

780
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 7: trick strip. We had to get a special insurance writer

781
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 7: and other stuff. So just to do it, because none

782
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 7: of our customers are gonna be able to do it

783
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 7: anything over one hundred and fifty miles an hour. Everybody's

784
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 7: insurance will required you to have a parachute and all

785
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 7: that other stuff. So it's pretty nuts, Tony.

786
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: What's it like to be a part of building that

787
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: kind of beast? You know? I always think of the

788
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: people that build these these iconic vehicles, right, It's it's

789
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: like the guy who was the architect on the Empire

790
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: State Building, except for you have to go and visit that,

791
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: and this can drive around. You could see it roll

792
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: by you. How amazing is it to be a part

793
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: of this whole this whole thing.

794
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just it's amazing amazing.

795
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: How did you get here? Maybe is a better question, Tony?

796
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: What did you do? Like, where did you go to school?

797
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: What cars are you like when you were a kid,

798
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: What drove you to this place?

799
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: Oh?

800
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 7: Okay, sure, I can give you the quick version of this.

801
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 7: So I fell in love with cars a long, long

802
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 7: time ago. Everybody's got a quick Corvette story. Mine was

803
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 7: my uncle's nineteen seventy one big block convertible used to

804
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 7: cruise around over by Jamestown, New York. You know, rural

805
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 7: back roads, and the sound of a big block with

806
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 7: the top down is just you know, if that doesn't

807
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 7: fuel your soul, you're in the wrong business, right. I

808
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 7: went to engineering school in Detroit at Lawrence Tech, got

809
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 7: a master's degree Purdue. I started basically on the Corvette

810
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 7: group at at GM, working on automatic transmissions back in

811
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 7: nineteen ninety three, and over time worked my way into

812
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 7: engine development and then got some advice from my mentors

813
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 7: to say, look, you need to go round out your

814
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 7: background if you want to come back and be a

815
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 7: part of the leadership team on Corvette. And so that's

816
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 7: what I did. I jumped over when a great opportune

817
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 7: time when we started on V series to tie these

818
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 7: two discussions together. So I worked on the first generation

819
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 7: CTSV I worked on it before we called it V.

820
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 7: We didn't know what we were going to call it.

821
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 7: We just knew we were doing a hot rid version

822
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 7: of the first end CTS. And I worked with the

823
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 7: race team back then because we raced the car that

824
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 7: we were making as we were developing it. And yeah,

825
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 7: through a couple of other moves, I got promoted to

826
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 7: be the chief on Alpha, which is the architecture of

827
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 7: the CT five and CT four come off of. That

828
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 7: was a little over ten years ago, and then just

829
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 7: last year when Tad's retired, through an interview process, I

830
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 7: kind of won the lottery and I get to come

831
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 7: home and like you said, I look at it exactly

832
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 7: like you said it, Like, how fortunate am I to

833
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 7: be part of this team that makes the mind bending cars?

834
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 7: And it's truly the a team, not just a GM,

835
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 7: but in the industry. If you look at all of

836
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 7: our development engineers, the vehicle architects, the safety folks, just everybody,

837
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 7: the folks in Bowling Green to build the car, we

838
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 7: work with the best people around and their attitude is,

839
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 7: you know, how can we do this? And that's what

840
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 7: it takes to make cars like this.

841
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: It's awesome By the way, did you So? There's a

842
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: movie by Dak Shepherd that I always reference called Hit

843
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: and Run. Bradley Cooper's in it as well. He drives

844
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: a CTSV. There's a I think the bad guy has

845
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: a C six Corvette. There's like a Pontiac in it

846
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: as well. Did you work with those guys to make

847
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: that happen? I always wonder how you know car makers

848
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: get their vehicles in productions, and this one seems particularly

849
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: GM heavy.

850
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't back then. That's a good question. We

851
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 7: have a group of folks that work with producers and

852
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 7: folks in the movie industry, and our marketing team kind

853
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 7: of decides where would be good product placements, and so

854
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 7: sometimes we do get the call, Hey, they want a

855
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 7: car to do X, Y or Z. But in that

856
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 7: case I had nothing to do with that.

857
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: All right, one more on. I just have one more

858
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: in Corvette because I know you want to get to

859
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: Celestique and we don't have a ton of time. But

860
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: I have a buddy Tony who has C six and

861
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: he has a black Wing and the family car is

862
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: like a Tahoe. He desperately wants a Corvette SUV. Can

863
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: you give us any news on the potential of that.

864
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: And I also said, like, wouldn't that just be a

865
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: rebodied Acadia and he was like, no, they're going to

866
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: do something completely different. It's going to be totally Corvette.

867
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 7: I'm not going to give you any news. My answer

868
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 7: will disappoint you wholeheartedly, but I will tell you we

869
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 7: continue to look at the market and opportunities white space

870
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 7: on the board, if you will, Where could we place

871
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 7: a product that wouldn't cannibalize other things in our portfolio

872
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 7: And if we can do a vehicle that would have

873
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 7: the right credibility to put some cross flow on it,

874
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 7: and and the time is right, we we I would

875
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 7: never say never, but right now, never, not not now?

876
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 7: How about that?

877
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: That's good, that's I mean, it's a bummer. Yeah, yeah, Well, I.

878
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: Do want to ask about Celastic because obviously this whole conversation,

879
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: we've spoken about cars that are really known for, you know,

880
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: engaging driving, and Celastic is a completely different animal.

881
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 7: You know.

882
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: When you and I spoke, and I don't know if

883
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: I told you this at the time, but I thought

884
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: it drove amazing, especially considering its weight and dimensions.

885
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 7: It's length, especially.

886
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: Can you just tell us what it was like to

887
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: go from developing these very you know, driver centric cars

888
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: to a luxury EV that I don't want to say

889
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: it's not driver centric because I actually thought it drove great,

890
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: but it's a different animal.

891
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean your I appreciate your comments. That's what

892
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 7: we were going for. We want a car that is surprising.

893
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 7: And I was explaining to another journalist, we want a

894
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 7: car that's good at everything you ask it to do.

895
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 7: So if you want a cruise to work and just

896
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 7: be quiet, it's an EV it's going to be quiet.

897
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 7: Turn on the Dolby utmost chill, maybe do a phone call, whatever.

898
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 7: All the road noise cancelation, all the insulated glass, all

899
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 7: that stuff kind of shines. Like we sent you folks

900
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 7: on that ride, you know, if you want to go.

901
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 7: And I remember talking to you, You're like, I just

902
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 7: drove Angela's Crest like two days ago in a portie.

903
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 7: You sure you want me to do this? And I

904
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 7: said yes, I'm sure, and you're going to shave you

905
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 7: the side look like okay, And you came back and said, wow,

906
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 7: that was kind of cool, And that's exactly what Yeah,

907
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 7: that's exactly what we're looking for it, and I look,

908
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 7: Selastick's never going to be your first choice to go

909
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 7: drive a road like that on a beautiful Saturday day,

910
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 7: but you know it'll do it. And that was part

911
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 7: of the mission statement from the beginning. It had to

912
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 7: kind of do everything well and have that bimodal character,

913
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 7: and the technology that we chose really just enabled all

914
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 7: of that. The active role, control of the rear steer,

915
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 7: the Mr Dampers, air springs, all of that kind of

916
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 7: comes together to make that car drive so much lighter

917
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 7: and more nimble and athletic than you would ever dream

918
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 7: that a car that big and those proportions. But I

919
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 7: think that's part of to me what makes the Celestic

920
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 7: special is because when you look at the car with

921
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 7: how low and how crazy the proportions are, man, you

922
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 7: kind of wish that it would back that up, and

923
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 7: then it does and you go, wow, Okay, it's not

924
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 7: just a pretty face. It's it's got some moves. And

925
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 7: at the very beginning of Celestic, the discussion with Mark

926
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 7: Royce was essentially, hey, we don't want a gimmicky EV

927
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 7: at the top of the lineup. We want a great

928
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 7: car that happens to be propelled by electricity, and so

929
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 7: that was our that was our guiding light and I

930
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 7: think I think we did it. And so it's a

931
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 7: beautiful car that happens to be an EV that drives fantastic.

932
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: What was the biggest fight you had with the design

933
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: because I always since that the engineers and the designers.

934
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: Have a special relationship.

935
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: Can you give us some insight about about what you

936
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: bought over?

937
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, Celestic is unique in anybody's career in the industry

938
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 7: that the designers really from minute one, the goal was

939
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 7: make the show card, and we talked about that with

940
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 7: you guys at the press show. And so we started

941
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 7: with a sketch that represented the design language and the proportions.

942
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 7: We scaled it up to be big enough to fit people.

943
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 7: We built a show card that was basically the design

944
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 7: folks telling us what they wanted with very loose kind

945
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 7: of guidelines. They I'll use the word cheated. They cheated

946
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 7: up a couple of the you know guidelines. And then

947
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 7: the answer was, okay, how can we do that? And

948
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 7: so that was our challenge and really, I'll tell you

949
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 7: we had a lot of really passionate discussion and Celestic,

950
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna lie both sides. Most of it, honestly

951
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 7: was is we just can't do that. It wasn't. We

952
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 7: don't want to do that, we can't afford to do that.

953
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 7: We'd rather not do that. It wasn't. You know, So

954
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 7: that makes Celestic a little different most programs you work on.

955
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 7: It's well, yeah, I know the blah blah blah, really

956
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 7: expensive car does this crazy little thing here, but there's

957
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 7: no way we can afford that. Look at how much

958
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 7: it costs. On Celestic. It was like, Okay, we'll go

959
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 7: find out what those people are doing and call the suppliers.

960
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 7: And we reached out to everybody all over the world

961
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 7: and came up with I think it's somewhere in the

962
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 7: neighborhood of two hundred patents on our own. Some of

963
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 7: the stuff we loaned our intellectual property to others to

964
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 7: make the actual parts. Some of the software and things

965
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 7: we did ourselves. So I don't I can't remember any

966
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 7: big like, oh my gosh. You know, that argument was

967
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 7: defining for the car, But there was certainly a lot

968
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 7: of passion on both sides, and I think you saw

969
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 7: the relationship that Aaron and Michael Simco and I still

970
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 7: have to this day, and I honestly feel that that's

971
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 7: a testament to as a team. You know, the fact

972
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 7: that we still go and hang out and you know,

973
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 7: have drink and enjoy what we created together. I think

974
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 7: it speaks volumes and that's not just me, it's the

975
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 7: whole engineering team. But I'm the one there at the

976
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 7: press show.

977
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: Right, Tony, So much gratitude from my side for your time.

978
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you making this work because I know

979
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: you're traveling, you're busy, You've got a lot going on,

980
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: So thank you.

981
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 7: Okay, no problem, good talking to you.

982
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: I can't believe Corvette there's not going to be a

983
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: Corvette SUV like anytime soon. I find Well, this was

984
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: something they were working on.

985
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 2: And like you, you've been talking about it and sort

986
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 2: of asking about it for a long time because it's

987
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: been in the ether.

988
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was. I'm kind of I obviously have

989
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: a crush on, you know, the black Wing and the Corvettes,

990
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: and I just feel like General Motors is doing everything

991
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: right and I was excited to have a Corvette like Cayenne,

992
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, because it's been such a huge money spinner

993
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: for Portia.

994
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: I know, I mean, the thing that I always sort

995
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: of gave me pause though, was what Ford did with Mustang.

996
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: How they turn that into.

997
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: But that's not even an SUV. That's like a little

998
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: hatchback the Mustard that isn't what the e the mock

999
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: e Mustang.

1000
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a little hatchback. That is that is

1001
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: an su that is not small. I was following one

1002
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: the other.

1003
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: Day and well, when I sit in one with my

1004
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: six three, two hundred and ten pound frame, it does

1005
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: not feel like a big SUV.

1006
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: It's a small it's a compact SUI. Yeah, all that

1007
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: to say, I don't think it looks good. I don't

1008
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: think it's interesting. So why would you ruin the Mustang name? Yeah,

1009
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm slapping it on that.

1010
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you. Although Jim Farley when

1011
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: he was talking with Jay Leno, well, I guess Jay

1012
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: Leno when he was talking with Jim Farley was defending it,

1013
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: saying that they make the mock e so that they

1014
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: can still put a stick shift in a Mustang with

1015
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: a V eight.

1016
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 2: Sure, but then why not make it good. That's gonna

1017
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: make it.

1018
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe they'll come out with

1019
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: another one. Like two point zero version. That's better.

1020
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: We've heard this from We've heard this from portion other

1021
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,479
Speaker 2: automakers we make X, so we can give you why.

1022
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: You know, this is a common.

1023
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: Thing, but some people love it. Matt Farah had a

1024
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: macke for like three years and loved it. Right or

1025
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: is he paid to say that?

1026
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: You'll have to ask Matt.

1027
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we should. I would love to

1028
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: have Matt on here, and he would just have them on.

1029
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: He would have to keep the profanity to a minimum.

1030
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1031
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I'm gonna go see this movie right now, Hannah.

1032
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear what you think.

1033
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you. Likewise, We've done a lot of

1034
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: really great work together lately. I know.

1035
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of it, and it's been honestly a

1036
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: true joy.

1037
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: It has been. Thank you so much, and thank you

1038
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: to everyone who listens. If you want to write in

1039
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: a mail addresses hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. I'm

1040
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: Matt Miller and

1041
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 2: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg