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Speaker 2: John Shmilt joined is always by my partner on draft season,

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Speaker 2: Tony Pauline from sports Keta, covering the NFL Draft the

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Speaker 2: young players in the National Football League. A busy show

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Speaker 2: coming your way today, A wild weekend in college football.

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Speaker 2: Tony and I will cover all of that, and then,

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Speaker 2: of course we're going to continue our look at the

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Speaker 2: NFL rookie class from the twenty twenty four draft. We

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Speaker 2: did offensive players last week. If you haven't checked that out,

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Speaker 2: go check it out. This week we're going to do

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Speaker 2: defensive players. And we got a lot to cover today, Tony,

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Speaker 2: so let's go right to it. How are you today,

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Speaker 2: my friend?

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Speaker 3: Okay, A little tired to watch the JIT Tobacco lest Well,

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Speaker 3: I guess it wasn't the Baco It was kind of

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Speaker 3: an interesting game till the end, but uh yeah, very

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Speaker 3: verver busy weekend both the NFL world, as in the

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Speaker 3: college football world.

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Speaker 1: And the Major League Baseball world.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you watch going to Yankee Stadium on Tuesday night,

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's start with college football here Tony Alabama skin

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Speaker 2: of their teeth man in a close game in South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Continues to really flash and show that they are a

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Speaker 3: But they keep people losing close games which they probably

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Speaker 3: should win. I mean, Alabama, after that went over Georgia,

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Speaker 3: you figured they're on their way to lose Vanderbilt. They

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Speaker 3: had to come back against South Carolina. And it's time

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Speaker 3: we start talking about Kyle Canard. I mean the pass

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Speaker 3: rusher from the University of South Carolina. He was given

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Speaker 3: free agent to reject grades coming into the season because

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Speaker 3: of his high side speed. He goes about six two

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Speaker 3: he's got defensive end speed, but he's got great production.

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Speaker 3: I mean two sacks, three tackles for the loss. In

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Speaker 3: the game against Alabama, he was omnipresident. He was consistently

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Speaker 3: He's got seven and a half tackles, eleven and a

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Speaker 3: He's really impacted games. So Canard is gonna be interesting

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Speaker 3: with Canard is gonna come down to his pre draft testing.

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Speaker 3: He I think he's established established himself as a late

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Speaker 1: So the Tony Real Quick on Canard. I went back.

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Speaker 2: I watched like five or six of the sacks. I'm

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Speaker 2: surprised that he's a four nine guy. Watching him on tape.

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Speaker 2: He looks like he's a better athlete than that, and

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Speaker 2: I think he bends pretty well. He gets underneath some

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Speaker 3: And if the other and if the other things fall

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Speaker 3: Yet which factor is? And you could be right because

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Speaker 1: How about Jon Roberts, Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: He is a big, strong, punching him out, typical type

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Speaker 3: With a lot of talent. I mean they got a

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Speaker 1: And thenk Kelvin Banks Tony. You look at some of

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Speaker 2: According to Pro Football Focus, allow it has allowed just

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Speaker 3: He's incredible. I mean, it's not just the past protection skills.

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Speaker 3: When we talked about Banks last week, I run about

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Speaker 3: I'm at sports Skeeter. A lot of teams already have

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Speaker 3: as will be another player that we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Peter Scaransky's another guy. I'll compare him to

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Speaker 2: Tony right. It was a really good tackle. He had

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Speaker 3: Remember, Scranchy was as much the short arms the thirty

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Speaker 3: if Glvin Banks comes in, he's got thirty two and

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Speaker 1: I would leave him at tackle then for sure.

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Speaker 2: So why don't we jump ahead a couple of games

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Speaker 3: He just does not look like a top ten, top

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Speaker 3: But I just you know, there's just no like wow

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Speaker 3: And I think that's going to be a problem here,

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt in my mind.

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Speaker 2: All right, Then, one other player from this game you

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Speaker 3: Six round grades coming into the season, goes about six

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's one of those, you know, bigger traditional

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Speaker 2: Now, tight end is very much a testing position now

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean I think you saw on that

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Speaker 2: He'll be one of those guys that'll be in one

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Ohio State Argon Tony. This was the

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Speaker 2: I watched this game very closely along with the old

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Oregon Jordan Birch again, people allowed to

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not that impressive. This was the matchup that

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Speaker 3: He's legitimately picks up the yardage with his legs and

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Speaker 1: The game, yeah, it was gonna say. Ball placement's not great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it stinks we didn't get to see that Bert

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Speaker 1: A lot of people thought, you know, he's a really

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Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about how some of these offensive

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Speaker 2: Simmons is not one of those guys. He is big,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you were pretty happy with what you

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Speaker 2: Like one hundred six he's only one hundred and sixty pounds, Tony.

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Speaker 3: State is what scouts are expecting to see. And if

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Speaker 3: he keeps it up, he's just gonna keep rocketing up

435
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Speaker 3: draft board as a top potential top forty, top forty

436
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Speaker 3: five selection.

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Speaker 2: All right, then one of the game told you wanted

438
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Speaker 2: to hit, And I love when you go dig deep

439
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Speaker 2: here and try to find some guys that people haven't

440
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Speaker 2: heard of, Marshall and Georgia Southern.

441
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Speaker 1: You want to talk about Mike Green, He's an edge

442
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Speaker 1: rusher from Marshall.

443
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Speaker 2: I watched I watched him of his tape this morning

444
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Speaker 2: because I didn't recognize and am like, oh, let me

445
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Speaker 2: take a look. So we can have a conversation about him.

446
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 2: He's got a little spin move on him. He's got

447
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: a little swim move. He runs through double teams. He's

448
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 2: got a great motor. I see what the appeal is

449
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Speaker 2: here from this Marshall edge.

450
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Speaker 3: Rusher, undersized, you know, pass rusher out of the sun belt,

451
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 3: can come out of a three point stance, can standover tackle.

452
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Speaker 3: Finished in what was a wild game? I mean while

453
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 3: the LSU Mississippi Ohio State Oregon game were going on,

454
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: the two big networks, Georgia and Marshall Georgia Southern was

455
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Speaker 3: playing on ESPN. You went it was a wild game.

456
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Speaker 3: Finished the game with two tackles for US in a sack.

457
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Speaker 3: He's got ten and a half tackles for US eight

458
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Speaker 3: sacks in six games this year. He is a pass

459
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Speaker 3: rush terror. He's a very athletic edge rusher who can

460
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Speaker 3: change direction, get down milana scrimmage, be used in space,

461
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: to make plays in space. He's explosive. He is a

462
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Speaker 3: guy to keep an eye on someone. I talked about

463
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Speaker 3: somebody about him over the sum with somebody, and he

464
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Speaker 3: just keeps improving. And a lot of people in the

465
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Speaker 3: scouting community are talking about Green as a potential Day

466
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Speaker 3: two pick. So while you know you're never gonna see

467
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Speaker 3: Marshall in a big network, although they did play Ohio

468
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Speaker 3: State earlier this year and he had a good game

469
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Speaker 3: against Ohio's day. If you get the chance, you got

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Speaker 3: to check out the Marshall thumbering her ed Rusher Michael Green.

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Speaker 2: All right, Tony, let's turn to the NFL here, and

475
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Speaker 2: we've been talking about how this twenty twenty four rookie

476
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Speaker 2: class that we covered in such depth last year, how

477
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Speaker 2: they performed early, and of course that the caveat we

478
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Speaker 2: should make here as always is that do not judge

479
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Speaker 2: a rookie base on how he plays in his first five,

480
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Speaker 2: six or seven games.

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Speaker 1: That's not what you do. It takes these guys sometimes

482
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Speaker 1: to develop.

483
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: But it's good to see if what we saw on

484
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Speaker 2: tap matches some of the stuff that you know, we

485
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: saw in the college game as we did our draft analysis.

486
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Speaker 2: And I think Jared versus a great place to start

487
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: and we knew about his powers, motor and all that stuff,

488
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: and that's shown up two and a half sacks. The

489
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Speaker 2: production is a phenomenal, but you know, but solid. But

490
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Speaker 2: I think he's shown you all the traits for that

491
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Speaker 2: Rams defense that you wanted to see with him coming out.

492
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Speaker 2: And you know, some of the power and stuff has

493
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Speaker 2: translated to the NFL level, which is always good to see.

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Speaker 3: It's been a starter since day one. He's been a

495
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Speaker 3: consistent contributor. He don't doesn't make mental mistakes. As you said,

496
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Speaker 3: we know about the athleticism, and you know he's really

497
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Speaker 3: made that transition. Well, they had a good pass rusher

498
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Speaker 3: there and the young kid that they selected in the

499
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Speaker 3: third round from Tennessee two years ago. I think he's

500
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Speaker 3: going to be enough. I think first will be an

501
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Speaker 3: excellent bookend form, high upside. You know, he just keeps

502
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Speaker 3: getting better and I don't think the transition to the

503
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Speaker 3: nf A game was as hard for him as a

504
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Speaker 3: lot of people thought.

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Speaker 1: Dan Branden fists there as well as former teammates.

506
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Speaker 2: So the Rams have a pretty fun group of young

507
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: defensive linemen in that group to try to disrupt inside.

508
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Speaker 2: Then you have Devondre sweat. I'm happy he included him

509
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Speaker 2: him here, Tony, because there was no denying the talent

510
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Speaker 2: last year, right, he was three hundred and fifty pounds.

511
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Speaker 2: He moved like a guy that was three hundred and

512
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Speaker 2: ten pounds, But at the Senior Bowl he was more

513
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: like three hundred and ninety pounds. And you wondered about

514
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: the weight. You wondered about the maturity with the off

515
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Speaker 2: the field stuff. But he's been in there for the Titans.

516
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Speaker 2: He's played two hundred and twenty six snaps this year

517
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Speaker 2: for a guy that size in his rookie year, that's

518
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Speaker 2: pretty good.

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Speaker 3: You consider what was happening in the week's leading to

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Speaker 3: the draft. You mentioned the weight of the Senior Bowl.

521
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Speaker 3: Don't forget he had a d Y. He was busted

522
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Speaker 3: with a d Y just weeks before the draft. And

523
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Speaker 3: then the Titans come and they take him the second round.

524
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Speaker 3: You're like, well, you know, this guy's got character iss

525
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Speaker 3: Just credit to him. He turned it around. He's been

526
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Speaker 3: a force. The rather defensive tackle has had issues with injuries,

527
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Speaker 3: He's taken over when he's had to. I mean, he

528
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Speaker 3: doesn't look like a rookie on the inside of that

529
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Speaker 3: defensive line. He's a guy who really has you know,

530
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Speaker 3: produced and made his presence felt from the beginning. And

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Speaker 3: credit to Devandre Sweat. I mean, we knew he had

532
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Speaker 3: all this talent. There were questions about the character, questions

533
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Speaker 3: about the work ethics. He's turned it around. Good for him.

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Speaker 1: And then Brandon Fisk I mentioned earlier Tony, what have

535
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Speaker 1: you seen from him?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean you just talked to his teammates. I

537
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: mean it's like the little train that could, right. But

538
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Speaker 3: Brandon fitz comes out of Western Michigan six ' one

539
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Speaker 3: is he two hundred seventy pounds, has a phenomenal year

540
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Speaker 3: at Florida State, has a great senior ball. The motor

541
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Speaker 3: just keeps going, and he's productive, he's starting and you know,

542
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Speaker 3: you talk to his teammates and they said, this guy

543
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Speaker 3: is at the facility five am in the morning and

544
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Speaker 3: he doesn't leave until seven at night. And you know

545
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: he really is. He's really attacking it like it's his profession.

546
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Speaker 3: And like his teammate Jared Verse, the transition has not

547
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Speaker 3: been very difficult for Brandon fisk And when you think

548
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Speaker 3: of where he was just a couple of years ago,

549
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: come out of Western Michigan, now maybe he's a late

550
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Speaker 3: round pick of one gap three technique type of guy.

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Speaker 3: He's totally changed the narrative about himself and he continues

552
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Speaker 3: the momentum in the NFL. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I talked to him with the Senior Bowl last year

554
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Speaker 2: and Tony and he struck me as a guy that,

555
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: you know, maybe he wouldn't turn into a star, but

556
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: he's a guy that he would not let himself fail.

557
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: His natural enthusiasm and energy and focus. He was not

558
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: going to let himself fail. And it looks like that's

559
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: gonna be the case. Then you have Baby Bison, Elizah Chapman,

560
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: the smooth I say little guy because he's not very tall,

561
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Speaker 2: but he is built like a brickhouse and he's very strong.

562
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Speaker 2: Andre Patterson, who's a Giants defensive line coach, he's coach

563
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Speaker 2: guys going back to John Randall for the Vikings, he's

564
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: been the league forever, called him the strongest guy in

565
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Speaker 2: the Giants defensive line room. That's a room with Dexter

566
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Speaker 2: Warren's in it, and he's carved that a little role

567
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Speaker 2: for himself and he's played well.

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Speaker 3: Undrafted free agent, I mean a guy that was I

569
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Speaker 3: mean he was on the scouting radar as an undrafted

570
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Speaker 3: free agent, didn't have a great twenty twenty three. At

571
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 3: that sim you probably played better in twenty twenty two,

572
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: or at least he was higher rated. But again you

573
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: consider where he was coming in as an undrafted free agent,

574
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: what he's doing for the Giants. Only started one game,

575
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: but you know he's putting that rotational using the rotation,

576
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 3: as you said, he's carved out a role. I mean,

577
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 3: it's it's a great story by a guy who's becoming

578
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: a real good football player. You know, everyone talked about

579
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 3: the backup quarterback last year. Tommy DeVito Chatman is going

580
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: to be in the league for a long time and

581
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Speaker 3: he's going to be a productive player for a long time,

582
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Speaker 3: just as long as whatever team he's on finds a

583
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Speaker 3: place for him.

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Speaker 2: Now Byron Murphy, Unfortunately for him, Tony he was I

585
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: think you could argue the best defensive lineman in the draft.

586
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: He ended up dropping to Seattle. They were happy to

587
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: pick him. I believe it was in the late teens,

588
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: if I remember, he was like sevenen or sixteen something

589
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: like that. Unfortunately, he's been hurt a lot, but when

590
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: he's been on the field, he's been good.

591
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: Just recently broke into the starting lineup, so it's going

592
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 3: to be interesting to see, you know, how he does.

593
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: Like you said, he was injured, he didn't have the

594
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: biggest body in the world. I remember, you know you

595
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: mentioned about that. How you know, he looked like a

596
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty five pound guy. So he's gonna

597
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: take a bit of a beating, but you know, he

598
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: seems to have things getting going, getting heading in the

599
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: right direction, and he's got a lot of talent and

600
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: he should do well in that system.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm gonna throw a couple Edge guys at you, Tony.

602
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: You have Austin Booker listed here. Obviously, he dropped to

603
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: the third round. The Bears, I think traded a pick

604
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: from this year's draft to get back into last year's

605
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: d have to pick him. Jonah Ellis who I was

606
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: a big fan of last year. I had a second

607
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: round great on him. He is one and a half

608
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: sacks and he's been part of that Bronco defense that

609
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: has played really well. And then two of the early

610
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: picks at Edge late two Lot Too and Shop Robinson.

611
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: They're playing a lot. We just haven't seen a ton

612
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: of production from either of those two guys.

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00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: Yet lot too. With just one sack, you can take

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00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: that anyway you want.

615
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know Indianapolis is very happy with

616
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: a lot too, So I mean the production may not

617
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: be there, but they've liked the presidence. They like what

618
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: he's bringing. Chop Robinson and I got to take the

619
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Speaker 3: hit on this. I really haven't seen that much from him,

620
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: and I was a big Chop Robinson guy, so blame me.

621
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Speaker 3: But we'll see. We'll see now that I believe Russo's

622
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: out for the year, so Chop Robinson's gonna have to deliver.

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Speaker 1: From Miami, no question.

624
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: Let's go to the linebacker group here, Tony. You had

625
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: three guys listed. Edrian Cooper from the Packers, who has

626
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: played a lot for them. They've had some injuries at linebackers,

627
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: so he's had to play a ton of Peyton Wilson

628
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: for the Steelers, who has stayed healthy for the most part,

629
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Speaker 2: which is the important thing for him. And then Trevin

630
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: Wallason the Panthers is on your list. Talk about those three.

631
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Speaker 3: You know, the thing about Peyton Wilson is we knew

632
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: if he stayed healthy, he's going to be a real

633
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: good player because he was a phenomenal player at North Carolina.

634
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: Stayed as long as he was healthy, and he stayed healthy,

635
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: and he's productive, and he's starting for the Steelers. So

636
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: you know the Steelers. The day two they get the center,

637
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: Zach Fraser, and now they got Peyton Wilson, and these guys,

638
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: especially if Wilson is stay healthy, these guys look like

639
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: keepers moving forward. As far as Wallace is concerned, He's

640
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: basically doing what he did at Kentucky. He's a real

641
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: good run defender, real good guy on the inside. He's

642
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: a pounder, he's a grinder. He's done a good job

643
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: in a bad situation there in Carolina. Edrian Cooper moving

644
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: into the starting lineup now, smaller guy, very athletic. The

645
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: way they use their linebackers, I think it'll be a

646
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: good fit for Cooper moving forward.

647
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the secondary.

648
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Speaker 2: Tony A lot of names here, and I'm gonna start

649
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Speaker 2: with Quinney on Mitchell because I think he's played pretty

650
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: darn well for the Eagles.

651
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: They've have it. They have a little bit of an

652
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: older secondary.

653
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: They did draft two guys in the first and second

654
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Speaker 2: rounds of this year's draft, and I think the early

655
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: returns for Mitchell, I think they have to be pretty

656
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: happy with him, especially adjusting from a smaller school and

657
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: a smaller conference with Tale, and I think he's adjusted

658
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: to the NFL game pretty darn well.

659
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: He's been phenomenal. And remember a lot of people thought

660
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: that Terry and Arnold was the top cornerback in the draft.

661
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: And he has struggled by the way har Arnold.

662
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: To struggle, and I think Mitchell has played phenomenal. I mean,

663
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: and again, you know, we talk about Brandon Fitch going

664
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: from Western Michigan, Florida State to the NFL. Quinn Mitchell

665
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: came right out of the MAC went to the Senior Bowl,

666
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: knocked it out of the park at the Senior Bowl.

667
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: And you know, I think we're on the Giants network,

668
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: but I think Howie Roseman, it was talk he was

669
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: gonna move up to ensure getting Mitchell. He stayed there.

670
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: Mitchell fellows laps and he's been terrific.

671
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think unfortunately Giant fans know how

672
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: good of a job how he roastman. Does they see

673
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: the Eagles enough? Tony Tikey Smith. We saw him for Tampa.

674
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: Tony he was one of those bigger corners coming out.

675
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: He had a nice play in the game against the Saints.

676
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: I believe he had a forced fumble right in that

677
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: game if I recalled properly, but I think he stepped

678
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: in there. Tampa's had some injuries at corner as well,

679
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: and he's had to play a real good nickelback.

680
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: I mean, here's a guy you look at his career

681
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: who was a terrific cornerback at West Virginia, transferred to Georgia,

682
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: had some injury struggles, really kind of was a nickel

683
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: back at Georgia. Now he's transplayed to be a real

684
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: good nickel back in that defense by Todd Bowles. He's

685
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: got a lot upside. You know, we talked about Peyton Wilson.

686
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 3: If he can stay healthy, if ty Tyke Smith can

687
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: stay healthy, he's a guy with upside. He's the guy

688
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: that's got polished skills, and I think he's doing well

689
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: because he's finally being able to stay on the on

690
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: the field. If you go back and watch his early

691
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: career at West Virginia, we're seeing that Tyke Smith.

692
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, and I say bigger guy, not because he's

693
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: five ten, but because He's two undred to two pounds,

694
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: which for a corner. Remember he played safety a bit

695
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: at Georgia as well, so he's one of those guys.

696
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: He kind of plays that, you know, slot safety hybrid role,

697
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: and he's done a nice job for them, Kamari Lassiter

698
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: for the Texans, Tony, he's had to step in and

699
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: play for them right away and play outside on the perimeter.

700
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: We know all about his forty times last year, but

701
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: the lack of speed does not seem to have shown

702
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: up on game tape much.

703
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: Instinctive horrific ball skills knows what's happening on the field,

704
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: and you kind of touched on it, the lack of speed.

705
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: I mean, his pro DA numbers where his forty he

706
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: didn't run to combine his proty ummers were anywhere from

707
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: the mid four five to the low four sixes, and

708
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: there was some concern that he may not eat. You know,

709
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: this is a guy that early on people thought could

710
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: be a first round pick. After the pro they're talking

711
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: maybe third round. I had heard second round all along.

712
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: I knew the Texans like him, and I mean he's

713
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: been terrific. I mean he what he does is what

714
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: Quinnon Mitchell does and what I've talked about a lot

715
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: of times on his podcast, does a great job making

716
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: plays with his back to the ball. He finds the

717
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: ball in the air. He's instinctive. He tracks the pass

718
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: in the air. And you know, if you run a

719
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: four to three to two but you faceguard, you're gonna

720
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: get burned time after time. If you're running the low

721
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: four or fives, but you can track the ball and

722
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: you get your head back around, you're gonna make plays.

723
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: And that's what Lassiter has done.

724
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: I want to group the two New York Giant players together, Tony.

725
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: You've been impressed with Tyler Nuban, who's made a lot

726
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: of really nice plays around the line of scrimmage.

727
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: Very physical. Same for Drew Phillips.

728
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: Both these guys are just physical players and the perimeter

729
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: that don't mind helping out in the run.

730
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: And frankly, both have been very solid against the pass

731
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: as well.

732
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, Phelips was a good cover corner at at

733
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: Kentucky and he's a smaller guy, but he plays big

734
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: football and he plays smart football. Yog and I think

735
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: has surprised me with his playing coverage because he seemed

736
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: more of a like a downhill safety when he played

737
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: at Minnesota, didn't play at the Senior Bowl. There was

738
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: injury concerns. The Giants roll the dice on in the

739
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 3: second round. He's played very well and take you take

740
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: those two guys with Deontay Banks, and they're really developing

741
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: an excellent young secondary of the Giants.

742
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: Let's say in the division.

743
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: A couple of corners in the division, Tony Mike Sanser

744
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: Still who has now basically had to step in the

745
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: play outside corner for the the Commanders. You know, everyone

746
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 2: just figured, you know, he was a slot guy in

747
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: Michigan defeated he come in the NFL, plays slot in

748
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: the NFL. But they're so shorthanded outside and frankly have

749
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: not gotten really good play from their outside corners that

750
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: they've they're starting him on the perimeter now and he

751
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: stepping up doing a nice job.

752
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: I didn't watch too much of the Ravens game. He

753
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: had a great game against Cleveland. All of the Cleveland

754
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 3: offensive struggling. Literally one of my favorite defenders from last

755
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: year's draft. I mean, a guy who didn't measure as

756
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: far as the heights concern. He was under five foot ten,

757
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: but he was smart, he was incredibly athletic, played well.

758
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: There was a few bumps in the road for him

759
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 3: last year during the National Championship run by Michigan. Had

760
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: a metrical tremendous prote not only defense, not only doing

761
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: defensive back drills, but also ran routes. There was some

762
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: thought that Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers would take him

763
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: in the second round. They went with lead McConkie. He

764
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: fell into the commander's lap. I mean, he's a guy

765
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 3: who he doesn't have, you know, he's in a Dory

766
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: Jackson type in the sense that he doesn't have that

767
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: classic outside cornerback height. But he's just a tremendous football

768
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: player and he's a good athlete as well.

769
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, let's go to killing Carson right. He's

770
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: with Dallas. He's had to start an outside cornerback for

771
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: them with the injury to dron Bland opposite Trayvon Diggs,

772
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: and Carson ended up getting hurt. He's missed the last

773
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: couple of games, but I think he went in.

774
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: The fifth rout off. I'm not mistaken Tony, but one

775
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: of those physical players.

776
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: He did have a mistackle against Baltimore which turned into

777
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: a long touchdown down the field. But I think given

778
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: where he was picked on Day three, he had to

779
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: be Dallas has to be pretty happy with what they

780
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: got in Carson.

781
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: Yes and no. And the reason I say yes to

782
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: know is coming into the twenty twenty three season, Carson

783
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: was rated as one of the top cornerbacks from the

784
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: senior class. He was rated hire the Quinnon Mitchell. It's

785
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: just that he did not perform well in twenty twenty three.

786
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: Seemed very you know, just just seem to be out

787
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: there rather than making plays. Really didn't develop his game,

788
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: which pushed him deeper into the draft than people thought.

789
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: He's got the size, he's got the speed, he showed

790
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 3: the ball skills early in his career at Wake Forest,

791
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: and he seems to be getting back to that where

792
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: he was in the twenty twenty three season.

793
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: What if is he everon Beanie Bishop with the Steelers

794
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: that you like Tony?

795
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: I mean again, a guy who wasn't drafted a smaller cornerback.

796
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: But he's feisty, he's tough, he plays bigger than his

797
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: listed size and for him the beginning the time that

798
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: he's getting at at nickelback, you know, in that scheme

799
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: where a lot of them, you know, facing the action.

800
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: I think that it's a terrific story of Beanie Bishop.

801
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: Let's go to Javon Bullard with the Packers, and he

802
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: is a teammate that I want to throw some love

803
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: too as well. Evan Williams, the fourth round safety out

804
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: of Oregon. I think he's played pretty darn well next

805
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: to a Zevie McKinney. But you like what you've seen

806
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 2: at Javon Bullard, especially.

807
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 3: The way they're safety, the way they use their safeties,

808
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: and you know, the Packers like drafting safe eighties and

809
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 3: to get you take Bullet where they did. The fact

810
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: that he's starting, that he's playing is a terrific story,

811
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: and he's in the ideal situation. You know, you watch

812
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: Bullet at Georgia. He was a tough, physical guy. He

813
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 3: went for the knockout blow, but he also had decent

814
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: ball skills. Didn't have great range, but he's very good

815
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: between the numbers, when the balls in the air where

816
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: he could see the action, and the fact that he's

817
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: getting the playing time like a lot of these other

818
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: defensive backs. You know, we went through it. I kind

819
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: of stuck some linebackers in there, but this list is

820
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: full of the first year defensive bats to are really

821
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: doing well.

822
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've had the plug right in there. And Nate

823
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 2: Wiggans for the Ravens, Tony, I think I was probably

824
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: a little bit higher on him than you were last

825
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: year and last year's draft class. And he's really stepped

826
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: in for Baltimore. And you know, the Ravens, they're a

827
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: physical team, Tony. They're not gonna play somebody if they're

828
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: not gonna play physical football. They've led him play a

829
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: lot of man to man defense and I haven't noticed

830
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: a ton of tackling issues. I think you gotta be

831
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: pretty happy on the early returns of Nate Wiggans playing

832
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: for Baltimore.

833
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: The Ravens like to take defense, cornerbacks, and receivers in

834
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: the first round. I mean, that's their mo and you know,

835
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: it looks like they've struggled with the struggle for the

836
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 3: most part, except for eight Flowers at the receiver position.

837
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: They've hit some home runs at the cornerback position, and

838
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 3: it looks like Wiggins is going to be a home

839
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 3: run at at the cornerback position. I was a little

840
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: bit down on him compared to you because I thought

841
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: he did a lot of face guarding, but he hasn't

842
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: given up a lot of big plays and he's done.

843
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 3: You mentioned the tackling. I think his cover skills have

844
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: been real good this year.

845
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: All right.

846
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: I want to mention Jarvis Browne, corner of defensive back

847
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: with the Titans. I think he's played pretty well. He

848
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: was kind of a guy you thought would play a

849
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: lot in the slot. I think he's done okay for them.

850
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: And then a couple I believe. I think both these

851
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: guys are safeties, right Tony, I know Cameron Kitchens is

852
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: what do you think of his play so far? And

853
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: then a player I am honestly not familiar with Storm

854
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: Duck for the Miami Dolphins.

855
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: Let's go with Kitchens. I mean, Kitchens is a guy

856
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: who was a real good player, but he ran the

857
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: four six or four five is on the lead up

858
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: to the draft. We saw him at the senior ball.

859
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 3: He's got real good ball skills. He can play over

860
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: the slot receiver, and I think he's done a good

861
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: job at that. Storm Dunk has been moved in and out.

862
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 3: He's seen some playing time. It's a good story with

863
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: Storm Duck. He was a terrific cornerback at North Carolina

864
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: up until twenty twenty two, highly rated, transferred to Louisville.

865
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: How to fell off the map at Louisville, wasn't drafted,

866
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: signed as an undrafted free agent by the Dolphins, and

867
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Speaker 3: the fact that he's getting time at both outside corner

868
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: and nickelback and he's been relatively productive when he's placed

869
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 3: on the field, hasn't embarrassed himself. For a guy who's

870
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: watched his stock go up and down like a roller

871
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 3: coaster and to sign on as an undrafted free agent

872
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: and start playing the way he was playing during his

873
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: North Carolina days is a terrific story, all right.

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Speaker 2: Tony, real quick before we say goodbye. Monster games Saturday night,

875
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: Georgia and Texas. Texas will get a shot against one

876
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: of the better teams in the country. Georgia will have

877
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: a chance to, I guess, redeem themselves as a little

878
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: bit strong. But come back and try to win one

879
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: of these big primetime games against another as so weird

880
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: saying at SEC school and in Texas with so much

881
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: good offensive personnel, that's gonna be a fun game. You

882
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: can talk about that one or anything else that you're

883
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: keeping an eye on this weekend.

884
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Mikel Williams, the defensive end from Georgia

885
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: who's had some injury issues, has been you know, there's

886
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: a lot of opinion on him. Some people have him

887
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: as a first round pick. I have him as a

888
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: dayty two selection. He's an athletic guy. We've talked about

889
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: Kelvin Banks consistently on this podcast. Talked about him thirty

890
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: minutes ago. That is going to be a great matchup

891
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: to watch. If Mickel Williams is on the field and

892
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 3: he's relatively healthy going up against Kelvin Banks, that is

893
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: a big time heavyweight matchup that scouts will point to

894
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: in the draft process as you get closer to the

895
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five event.

896
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I got a double confirmation the

897
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: boys to stay running back, by the way, continues to

898
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: just be unbelievable. I wonder if he's gonna figure out

899
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: a way to get into the top ten this year

900
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: given the way the draft class looks overall. Still might

901
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: be a little tough for a running back, but boy,

902
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: he certainly is a good enough player to do it.

903
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: And I believe it is Ashton genty so I believe

904
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: you had that correct only when you had that a

905
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago.

906
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: So there you go. Remember a couple of weeks I

907
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: said he's not he was the front runner for the Heisman.

908
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: I think right now he's definitely the front ru runner

909
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: for the Heisman.

910
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: Dude, he looked the way he breaks tackles on his running.

911
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: He looks like Barry Sanders. It's it's ridiculous.

912
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: And their passing game, it's not It's not like they

913
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: got to spread the defensive backs out. Because the boys

914
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: state's gonna beat you with the passing game. They can

915
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: just load guys in the box and he still finds way.

916
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: I remember, I mean he did it against Oregon too,

917
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: And we talked about Judkins and Tyrone Henderson. I mean

918
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 3: they were good against the Oregon defense, which Ashton Jenzen

919
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: just shreded, shredded earlier in the year.

920
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: He's treading everybody quite frankly, I think he might I

921
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: got a double check it. I think he's close to

922
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: a thought. He might be over a thousand yards already.

923
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Speaker 2: That that's how good he's been earlier this year. He's

924
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: just been phenomenal, uh playing college football. Man, So keep

925
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Speaker 2: I am John Schmulch for Tony Polline from sports Keta,

929
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Speaker 2: and he's parting comments here Tony or you're good?

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Speaker 3: No, I was just looking Ashton genty over a thousand yards,

931
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: one two hundred and forty eight yards, seventeen touchdowns, only

932
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: nine receptions.

933
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: How about the yards per carry as he had told you,

934
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: was like nine.

935
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: Nine point nine. Uh, he's only had nine receptions. He

936
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: only had nine receptions this year, but last year he

937
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: did have forty three. And he's a good pass catcher

938
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Speaker 3: on the backfield when you will when you watch the film.

939
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 3: He's only had one game under one hundred and fifty

940
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 3: yards this year. That was Portland State and they were up.

941
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: They won fifty six to fourteen, so I'm sure they

942
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: didn't even play him in the second half. Eleven carries,

943
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty seven yards, eleven point five yards

944
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 3: per carry. I talked about the Oregon game. Twenty five carries,

945
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety two yards three tds. Yeah.

946
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Speaker 2: Certainly a better running back class this year, led by Genti,

947
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 2: so it'll be fun to see exactly how that goes.

948
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Speaker 2: Tony will talk to you next week, my friend, absolutely

949
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Speaker 2: for Tony Pouline.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Shamuth. We'll see you next time on draft season, everybody,